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@@PlayersChoiceShow let me get on the panel so I can cook Marz and chill. Marz a robot that think he know the game but never played competitive open gym or nothing! And chill is a bronsexual that hates on kd and pretend he like him. Ain’t no damn way bron better than bird but kd not?? 😂😂😂
Swipa is exposing himself as a casual with his Paul Pierce reaction. Marz and Ox were spitting facts. Paul Pierce was probably the 2nd best SF in the league behind LeBron in the 2000s. Had no weaknesses offensively. Clutch af. A solid defender especially in the playoffs. Above average rebounder. And like Ox said he never ducked a fade. Highly underrated
2:33:52 I think the top 5 of the Panel's SF list was spot on. But Ox trying to push the agenda that Scottie Pippen is better than freaking Dr. J and KD is nasty work 😂🤢
@@tusharbisht6832If Baylor had a ship he might be 4 or 5th all time. Baylor career numbers-27.4 ppg-13.5 reb-4.3 assist, 10X All NBA 1st team, I think Kawhi comes down much lower his last healthy season was in 2016, so that’s 8 seasons.
I dont mind an era tax as long as its consistent or u acc know why ur taxing it. some of the stuff i heard today just didnt make sense. and noone seeming to know who rick barry was threw me off
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383 winning bias doesn’t exist for superstars. Marz favorite players in the league don’t have titles (Harden, Embiid). As great as they are and as much talent as they have on there teams both of them have consistently underperformed in the playoffs. When it comes to rankings players you HAVE to nitpick and the separator is winning especially if a certain player rises to the occasion most of the time. Winning bias is a cope while era tax is a very slippery slope in itself.
Swipa was tripping about that Star Wars take they not hating cause she black the fans they hating cause the show was terrible and that actress in question was insulting fans for not liking the show lmao
People are running a pretty slippery slope with penalizing Kawhi for injuries and missing games because I expect those same people to keep the same energy for people like AD and not gas up Lebron and KDs longevity post 2018 and 2019 where they have hovered around 40-60 games played or even less than that. Just keep it consistent
There's a difference. LeBron generally plays in the 65+ range and never misses playoff game. Kawhi will play 40-60 games and then miss playoff games on top of it. The load management is supposed to be so you're healthy for the playoffs. How are you load managing and you're still not healthy for the playoffs. That's the difference.
@@jetsettech8804 Giannis got injured in the Miami series in the 1st round in 23 and got injured again this season and missed the playoffs. At this point he's lost in the 1st round in back to back years due to injuries. Sounds like Kawhi and Embiid
Haven’t watched the ep yet but Kawai is much too high, I understand his peak is top 5 but their is a clear lack of longevity for me and when making these lists I think the easiest thing to do is who would I want for a career on my team. I don’t think your more likely to gain a title with kawhi for his limited career more than the players below him. (Kawhi is my favourite player btw)
The late great Tom Heinsohn once on a broadcast said he would take Paul Pierce over any other Celtics player ever to take the last shot. Pierce might be the most clutch guy on this list
57:10 to 59:15 if anyone else did this yall woulda called it out Chill be lying to himself just to sound smart made up a whole argument he dont even believe
I find it funny how Kawhi's legacy points are deducted for his load management/injuries AFTER HIS 2019 Championship BUT THERE IS LITERALLY NO ARGRUMENT TO NOT HAVE HIM TOP 10 EVEN BEFORE 2020. Your Personal Vandetta literally makes no sense you just hate him lol. Side Note: Keep this guy he is CONTENT. One of my fav segments ever
Pierce does get so much disrespect. Honestly mainly because of the Draymond thing and when the huge nationwide story that came about when he claimed being better than D Wade…. He messed up by not being taking the humble rout, But Pierce was a beast…. A top 10 player for at least 7-8 seasons. Got a championship. He was the best player on his team as a rookie. They say he was unathletic because he didn’t get a lot of attention outside Boston until they got KG and Ray, and he was over 30…. just UA-cam young Paul Pierce highlights. Crazy first step, could get up and smash it with ease on dudes. Y’all forgetting the Pierce, Walker Celtics. They were awesome.
42:05 Swipa prides himself on being one of the more intelligent members of the panel, yet somehow believes Melo is better than EB. EB is not only more accomplished than Melo from an individual accolade standpoint, he won more. 8 finals appearances to 0. Baylor is 3rd all-time in career ppg, averaging 27 and 14. I can't respect a top 10 SF list with no Elgin Baylor on it.
Here is my list for top 10 small forwards 1 lebron obv 2 kd 3bird i think longevity lets him down 4 scottie 5 dr j 6 melo 7 john havlicek 8 kawhi peak top 5 longevity 9 pg 10 jimmy
Swipa is right, Melo was consistently considered a top 10 player. While Pierce was highly respected, people generally considered Melo to be better and the 2nd best SF until Kd
I know this is usually about basketball but I gotta address this as a fellow black nerd. Swipa wasn’t wrong about the hate black Star Wars characters get. Outside of Mace Windu(Samuel L. Jackson) other black characters get a lot of hate from Star Wars fandom, particularly in China. What I’m about to say is no hate to the Asian community. This is just what I know to be true. A big reason for Fin’s character development being diminished to what it was, is because when they tested the film in China, which is a big audience for Star Wars/Disney, they hated Fin being so prominent and the idea of him being the main character and a Jedi was a no go for them. That was a major reason they changed it. When it comes to The Acolyte, the show was just really bad. What didn’t help is that the black lead in the show is known for social justice causes that she pushes and fans didn’t like that about her. She argued with a lot of fans online too and that made it worse.
Great episode, KD is fasho #2 on my list. There was a lot of Kawhi Leonard is a top 1-3 player in the league talks after that ring in Toronto, boy some of yall was gassing him to the moon. I NEVER seen it lol healthy or not, I remember that whole press run he did before going to LA, my my my let that had been KD he would’ve been roasted & not even top 5.
I call cap on your last statement. If KD did what Kawhi did he'd be glorified instead of being called a snake. Kawhi, the Raptors and injuries took care of the Warriors and restored balance to the NBA. That's why he got so much praise. Mind you he came off an injury too.
it always amazes me how different people view the game. cos i hear this and instantly think ur clinically insane. but ur acc a person whos a contributing member of society its so wild to me
Most guys who are perceived to be efficient are guys who can get to the basket the best and scorer in transition a lot more than others. Easier baskets.
58:21 this is why I think debates/ list are washed. Most ppl make the argument for the argument for the player u like best. When u talk best of the best, u have to split hairs. And at that point, there’s always bias depending on the person. It can’t be helped
Imo stats are more impressive with less teams because the talent is more concentrated but winning chips is harder because there are less games you have to go through abd especially if the talent is mostly concentrated in your team
Agree with ya Marz about Beal and ky not being used for play-making cuz they scorers, but be real if they were used for that they still would be better than those others players that were named.
John Boyega I agree 100% with you and your absolutely right. But with the acolyte, her acting in this specific role was awful, maybe it was the writing but this wasn’t good. Her other roles she did before was fantastic. The acolyte all round was really bad
If we’re doing like greatness like all time Lbj Bird Kd Dr j Kawhi Hondo Rick Barry Pippen Baylor Idk for the 10th Paul, nique, worthy, English and melo
Coach just be yapping lol the rondo > Nash was crazy but melo being top 4 is crazy. I like him. But I think he’s knowledgeable as a coach no doubt. But knowing the history of the game. He doesn’t know lol. Wilt actually played with more top 50 players than Bill. The kawhi take is all time bad. Melo not over kawhi at alll 💀💀
Ox take on Carmelo Anthony is what’s wrong with the basketball now.. he’s sitting here saying melo who’s put in work for years and coming off a good season shooting the ball in LA should have to prove himself to get 10-15 minutes on the floor for the Knicks???
@@jetsettech8804 in 2019 lebron wasn’t better than kawhi lol he was at the top defensively,efficiency and offence. He outplayed giannis who was the mvp that year and embiid
From my very limited st louis hawks 50s knowledge and film,i think cliff hagan was arguably better than bob pettit,now the decline was swift but at his best i think he was really good
@@MarzTalksSports Hagan averaged more PPG in some of the playoffs rounds than Pettit early but was really the number 2 scorer on that team. He averaged more apg and was more efficient. His minutes got cut after 62 but he was still putting up around 15ppg. Give him the minutes he was getting before 63 and he probably makes a few more all star teams.
@@wootage8434 I think Pettit gets given the 'clear best player' label cos of that closeout game in the finals but from what ive seen i think it was alot closer than people would think,but i wouldnt expect people to go and watch the late 50s early 60s st louis hawks,idek how many games are still available online anymore
@@MarzTalksSports not many. Just highlights and the radio broadcast of the 4th quarter of game 6 of the 58 finals. Would have been great to see some of those complete games of Pettit vs Russell or Pettit vs Wilt or Wilt vs Russell and some others. Hagan had some battles with Baylor that some old school players say were fun to watch
@@wootage8434 its sad so much of nba history has been erased just by time. i really think The NBA should have Every recorded game stored somewhere. maybe for the 100th anniversary of the NBA they could release it or sum idk. cos alot of players and games are being forgotten
Ox trolling but if he has bird, bird at his peak was never dpoy level like lebron was or even as good on defence as lebron, scoring, playmaking goes to lebron, jump shooting goes to bird fair enough but rim pressure is definitely bron. For someone who loves defense as much as ox why would bird be above bron when HE SAW BRONS PEAK hitting game winners after game winners
Did you guys see the disrespect that the Kobe fans was doing to mj on chil with Gil . I guarantee you that was LeBron James fans, disrespecting MG. He will have all LeBron James UA-camr and haters calling out LeBron James fans for being so disrespectful but I guarantee you everybody’s gonna keep quiet on this.
Ox… melo didn’t say he wanted to play 30 minutes a game stop being weird bro. He just didn’t want to ride the bench and not play at all some nights because he was better than that. That’s not being a bad team player.
Ya T-Mac is not a top 5 scorer all time. Obviously we are going Prime ability. I think you have to take into account scoring when the game really matters. Clutch scorers. But if you take that factor out then T-Mac might be top 5…. same goes for Harden.
@@MegaKhalid121 Melo was almost always a low efficiency scorer in the Playoffs. From 2006 to 2013 Playoffs, Melo's true shooting was 51.9%. He took 32% of his shots at the rim & finished at a 51% clip. To put that into context 5'11" Allen Iverson for his Playoff Career took the same amount of attempts at the rim as Melo as finished at a 53% clip.
I have no issue with who they have casted for these roles. My only issue with new Star Wars is the writers and directors. It's just and terrible writing. Makes me feel bad for the actors that are getting these roles. I mean, have you seen Daisy Ridley and anything else? Have you seen John bodega and anything else? Those movies killed there careers
Damn swipa needs to be reeducated about Star Wars 😂 Disney demoted John boyega not the fans. Before force awakens came out Disney shrunk his head on the poster in multiple countries. The fans like Finn and think he’s wasted potential cause Disney wanted a female Mary Sue character with Rey The hate isn’t cause there are black characters it’s because it’s woke and all about feminism there is no racism is Star Wars. Swipa has the victim mentality
This idea that bird better than kd is fucking ridiculous!! It’s all narrative! Kd and lebron is neck to neck as far as talent go but lebron better than bird but kd not??😂😂
@@tygg4455 you sound like a damn casual. When they went head to head kd beat him in the finals. We saw kd impact. They are definitely neck to neck. They both got something that the other don’t have which balances it out but they both pretty much are the most versatile forwards of all time. I don’t wanna hear no narrative talk. I’m talking pure game! Stop you bronsexual
@@tygg4455 it’s a shame mfs don’t know how to be objective! Kd can do everything lebron can do and vice versa. Lebron the better passer but kd the better rim protector and blocker. Lebron better on ball by a lil bit but kd better at offside help . Kd controls the floor with his shooting ability, lebron controls the floor with his passing. They both average the same pts per game career wise and playoffs. They both came in the game killing from the start. They are literally neck to neck and this why Steph needed kd because he wasn’t ever gonna beat lebron again. Put some respect on kd name
@@MarzTalksSports Not really. Just not impressed with his resume in that time period. Jimmy averages more points on a poss by poss basis while being a better defender, although I would say they are similar level of passers
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@@PlayersChoiceShow let me get on the panel so I can cook Marz and chill. Marz a robot that think he know the game but never played competitive open gym or nothing! And chill is a bronsexual that hates on kd and pretend he like him. Ain’t no damn way bron better than bird but kd not?? 😂😂😂
Swipa is exposing himself as a casual with his Paul Pierce reaction. Marz and Ox were spitting facts. Paul Pierce was probably the 2nd best SF in the league behind LeBron in the 2000s. Had no weaknesses offensively. Clutch af. A solid defender especially in the playoffs. Above average rebounder. And like Ox said he never ducked a fade. Highly underrated
Swipavic*
Theres a legitimate argument for Pierce on that all decade team and it shouldn’t be ridiculous to say that
What bron over pierce but you can argue other sf over him he is in the outer top 10
@@akwesirobinson1710 try making sense first
Dont forget tough as nails! Stabbed at a nightclub and didnt miss a game that year.
2:33:52 I think the top 5 of the Panel's SF list was spot on. But Ox trying to push the agenda that Scottie Pippen is better than freaking Dr. J and KD is nasty work 😂🤢
That D-wade comment was one of the best and organic "clip-able" moments I’ve see on PC in a while.
2:29:28
we need more of that back
I don't get why people overrate guys based on 1 season and underrate careers of others and downgrade titles
Best Small Forward Peaks
1. 2013 LeBron
2. 1988 Bird
3. 1976 Dr. J
4. 2017 KD
5. 2021 Kawhi
6. 1975 Rick Barry
7. 1972 Havlicek
8. 1994 Pippen
9. 2006 Pierce
10. 1986 Worthy
@@nykareem2001 nice list but I feel you have slightly overrated worthy (no love for dominque or Baylor?) :(
Great job but you forgot Elgin Baylor
Bird was way better in 86 than 88
@@tusharbisht6832If Baylor had a ship he might be 4 or 5th all time. Baylor career numbers-27.4 ppg-13.5 reb-4.3 assist, 10X All NBA 1st team, I think Kawhi comes down much lower his last healthy season was in 2016, so that’s 8 seasons.
@@mlc7million I think this list is peaks only but Baylor def underrated has a legit argument as 5th greatest small forward
I can't deal with non- historical basketball fans. It is really hard. This era tax foolishness is downright ridiculous.
I dont mind an era tax as long as its consistent or u acc know why ur taxing it. some of the stuff i heard today just didnt make sense. and noone seeming to know who rick barry was threw me off
Era tax doesn’t exist and neither does winning bias it’s just buzzwords these dudes (MARZ) created to cap for there favorite players.
@@adrijiyuda i got motion
@@adrijiyudai am 100% certain that Winning bias exist. Where We percive information about a player to be better then it should be because they won.
@@hjalmarskytnielsen9383 winning bias doesn’t exist for superstars. Marz favorite players in the league don’t have titles (Harden, Embiid). As great as they are and as much talent as they have on there teams both of them have consistently underperformed in the playoffs. When it comes to rankings players you HAVE to nitpick and the separator is winning especially if a certain player rises to the occasion most of the time. Winning bias is a cope while era tax is a very slippery slope in itself.
Swipa was tripping about that Star Wars take they not hating cause she black the fans they hating cause the show was terrible and that actress in question was insulting fans for not liking the show lmao
Lmaoo why did he just play victim straight away😂 all u have to do is watch the show to understand how terrible it is 😂 not everyday racism man
lol he weird for that , i ain’t even watch the show but everyone an there momma were shitting on this show for everything under the sun except race
People are running a pretty slippery slope with penalizing Kawhi for injuries and missing games because I expect those same people to keep the same energy for people like AD and not gas up Lebron and KDs longevity post 2018 and 2019 where they have hovered around 40-60 games played or even less than that. Just keep it consistent
Have u not seen how ad been talked about since 2021?
There's a difference. LeBron generally plays in the 65+ range and never misses playoff game. Kawhi will play 40-60 games and then miss playoff games on top of it. The load management is supposed to be so you're healthy for the playoffs. How are you load managing and you're still not healthy for the playoffs. That's the difference.
@@jetsettech8804 So then give Giannis the Embiid/Kawhi treatment
@Greenz58 why? He's been injured one post season. Being injured once doesn't deter me.
@@jetsettech8804 Giannis got injured in the Miami series in the 1st round in 23 and got injured again this season and missed the playoffs. At this point he's lost in the 1st round in back to back years due to injuries. Sounds like Kawhi and Embiid
AI was dominant but Wade wasn’t is crazy
Simply because Iverson won a MVP according to his logic.
“We can’t hear you Ron. Your mic is muted. FOCUS!” Ayooo Chill kills me 😂😂😂
My List was
Bron
Bird
KD
Dr J
Pippen
Barry
Havlicek
Kawhi
Pierce
Baylor
Same as the PG list if u have any questions Lmk ill try and answer them
W Rick Barry Respect. Truly an underrated legend.
Putting Barry over Kawhi is tough. I respectfully disagree. What's the separator in your mind when comparing those two specifically ?
Haven’t watched the ep yet but Kawai is much too high, I understand his peak is top 5 but their is a clear lack of longevity for me and when making these lists I think the easiest thing to do is who would I want for a career on my team. I don’t think your more likely to gain a title with kawhi for his limited career more than the players below him.
(Kawhi is my favourite player btw)
@@hoffa8873 I imagine durability and longevity would be the biggest as well as Barry having an underratedly high enough peak to justify picking him
@@hoffa8873 longevity
Marz should’ve kept the 9 minute thing quiet from yesterday cuz Ron caught chilltown with it at 7 minutes today
yeah ron tryna adapt is crazy
@@MarzTalksSports L host w adaptation
I like Jordan hes good for this show love his takes
Ticket but betterb
@@mayowaojutalayo5298
calm ticket
His Steve Nash takes were bad, but overall he seems to be a positive
The late great Tom Heinsohn once on a broadcast said he would take Paul Pierce over any other Celtics player ever to take the last shot. Pierce might be the most clutch guy on this list
He also said he believed Pierce was the best all around scorer the Celtics ever had
Lets also remember that Kobe Bryant said Paul Pierce was one of the toughest guys he ever guarded.
Jordan cool yall gotta bring him back more
57:10 to 59:15 if anyone else did this yall woulda called it out Chill be lying to himself just to sound smart made up a whole argument he dont even believe
I was definitely confused
He remembers so much he has to forget sometimes
Scottie didn’t dominate in Portland because he wasn’t as good anymore not because he was never dominant before.
I find it funny how Kawhi's legacy points are deducted for his load management/injuries AFTER HIS 2019 Championship BUT THERE IS LITERALLY NO ARGRUMENT TO NOT HAVE HIM TOP 10 EVEN BEFORE 2020. Your Personal Vandetta literally makes no sense you just hate him lol.
Side Note: Keep this guy he is CONTENT. One of my fav segments ever
Pierce does get so much disrespect. Honestly mainly because of the Draymond thing and when the huge nationwide story that came about when he claimed being better than D Wade….
He messed up by not being taking the humble rout, But Pierce was a beast…. A top 10 player for at least 7-8 seasons. Got a championship. He was the best player on his team as a rookie. They say he was unathletic because he didn’t get a lot of attention outside Boston until they got KG and Ray, and he was over 30…. just UA-cam young Paul Pierce highlights. Crazy first step, could get up and smash it with ease on dudes. Y’all forgetting the Pierce, Walker Celtics. They were awesome.
Bron gonna pass Kobe for most fg missed this season💔
Disqualified from the goat convo once that happens
Difference between Kobe doing it and lebron doing it is lebron will have over 7 thousand points more
Nooooo💔💔he needs to retire so that doesn’t happen
@@pambrown5625 He’s also played way more games so lol
@@MarzTalksSports actual take??
42:05 Swipa prides himself on being one of the more intelligent members of the panel, yet somehow believes Melo is better than EB. EB is not only more accomplished than Melo from an individual accolade standpoint, he won more. 8 finals appearances to 0. Baylor is 3rd all-time in career ppg, averaging 27 and 14. I can't respect a top 10 SF list with no Elgin Baylor on it.
I could be convinced of a few people over baylor,melo not one of em tho
I’m sick of the victim mentality with Melo. Carmelo Anthony was a negative on the floor from 15-16 and on.
And when I say victim mentality I’m mostly referring to his fans, not Melo himself.
He’s a better offensive player than your favorite player
@@adrijiyuda not from 15-16 and on he wasn’t lmao
You’re just chatting 😂🤡
@@20k200 whatever makes you feel better my guy
2:29:30 I think that's the first time I ever seen Ron react like that. Shit had me crying😂😂
dont even have to click it to know this is probably the 'dwade wasnt dominant' thing
@@MarzTalksSportsget Jordan off the platform lol. This off season trolling shit is crazy
The 76ers aren't just the warriors renamed. The warriors moved city and the 76ers were formed in Philadelphia. They ARE two different teams
thankyou sir
2:08:08 Mars being like 'no don't help' 😂😂😂
Shoutout chill town being shown proof that a 37 Carmelo was expecting a farewell tour from the Knicks but not admitting he’s wrong
Here is my list for top 10 small forwards
1 lebron obv
2 kd
3bird i think longevity lets him down
4 scottie
5 dr j
6 melo
7 john havlicek
8 kawhi peak top 5 longevity
9 pg
10 jimmy
do people just not know who rick barry was?
How is Scottie top 5 ? He was never capable of being a number one
Jordan doesn’t make sense with his basketball takes lol you can tell he’s a casual
What doesn’t make sense ?
Please don’t bring him back on the show, respectfully lol
@@Jalen-sm1opthats jordan who just responded to u,maybe tell him what doesnt make sense
Swipa is right, Melo was consistently considered a top 10 player. While Pierce was highly respected, people generally considered Melo to be better and the 2nd best SF until Kd
I know this is usually about basketball but I gotta address this as a fellow black nerd. Swipa wasn’t wrong about the hate black Star Wars characters get. Outside of Mace Windu(Samuel L. Jackson) other black characters get a lot of hate from Star Wars fandom, particularly in China.
What I’m about to say is no hate to the Asian community. This is just what I know to be true. A big reason for Fin’s character development being diminished to what it was, is because when they tested the film in China, which is a big audience for Star Wars/Disney, they hated Fin being so prominent and the idea of him being the main character and a Jedi was a no go for them. That was a major reason they changed it.
When it comes to The Acolyte, the show was just really bad. What didn’t help is that the black lead in the show is known for social justice causes that she pushes and fans didn’t like that about her. She argued with a lot of fans online too and that made it worse.
Great episode, KD is fasho #2 on my list.
There was a lot of Kawhi Leonard is a top 1-3 player in the league talks after that ring in Toronto, boy some of yall was gassing him to the moon. I NEVER seen it lol healthy or not, I remember that whole press run he did before going to LA, my my my let that had been KD he would’ve been roasted & not even top 5.
I call cap on your last statement. If KD did what Kawhi did he'd be glorified instead of being called a snake. Kawhi, the Raptors and injuries took care of the Warriors and restored balance to the NBA. That's why he got so much praise. Mind you he came off an injury too.
I'm sorry but this list is trash without Dominique Wilkins. He's easily better than Scottie Pippen.
it always amazes me how different people view the game. cos i hear this and instantly think ur clinically insane. but ur acc a person whos a contributing member of society its so wild to me
Oxs list is so shit!!😂
Ox is clearly a Melo hater. Melo came out and said what happened but Ox still holds on to what he thinks happened. Clown.
Yeah that was weird
Most guys who are perceived to be efficient are guys who can get to the basket the best and scorer in transition a lot more than others. Easier baskets.
58:21 this is why I think debates/ list are washed. Most ppl make the argument for the argument for the player u like best. When u talk best of the best, u have to split hairs. And at that point, there’s always bias depending on the person. It can’t be helped
This is the worst ranking I've seen. We clearly know who everyone has with the worst host on earth not reading the list.
Paul pierce was cool he got lucky with a trade and took advantage of the improved team but he not top 10 at his position
Imo stats are more impressive with less teams because the talent is more concentrated but winning chips is harder because there are less games you have to go through abd especially if the talent is mostly concentrated in your team
Argue 2-10 as long as we know the GOAT IS #1
Yep big bad Giannis
I didn’t know Michael Jordan played SF
Told y'all boy was a casual
Agree with ya Marz about Beal and ky not being used for play-making cuz they scorers, but be real if they were used for that they still would be better than those others players that were named.
sure but they werent,we cant say kd has all these guys creating for him because hypothetically they could do it,if they werent actually doing it.
Tbf Shaq did dominate on a different level to kahwi, 3 peat 28ppg on lik 57%fg is a different level
Did I miss the SG list or...?
I like this new guy, you need dissidents and unpopular opinions as long as people can explain themselves. Makes for good content
John Boyega I agree 100% with you and your absolutely right. But with the acolyte, her acting in this specific role was awful, maybe it was the writing but this wasn’t good. Her other roles she did before was fantastic. The acolyte all round was really bad
Swipa spreading Star Wars lies like a mf
Stop bringing up guys that don’t watch basketball saying kawhi and dwade wasn’t dominant is insane
Sure . I never watched basketball before in my life
saying a literal coach doesnt watch basketball is nasty work. just say u dont agree w him,but saying he doesnt watch basketball is just a lie
This is both good and bad content 🥴
Ox should've put Keegan on this list🤣
ox real life be streaming in his drawls 😂😂
If we’re doing like greatness like all time
Lbj
Bird
Kd
Dr j
Kawhi
Hondo
Rick Barry
Pippen
Baylor
Idk for the 10th
Paul, nique, worthy, English and melo
Jimmy’s surpassing a lot of these guys with another great playoff run(big “if” though).
Ox putting KD is pure hate!! Nothing else 💯
Fire ep y’all good shit
Championships matter...1 is huge 3 is insane 2 is a lot for hakeem legacy
26:21 also the era man the 00s was a different game from the 10s & 20s
Yh the Philidelphia Warriors became the Philidelphia 76ers. The conference finals with Wilt's Philidelphia and West and Baylor's Lakers
Ox is the only one that got #1 right.
that guy Jordan has some of the worst takes ive ever heard
Coach just be yapping lol the rondo > Nash was crazy but melo being top 4 is crazy. I like him. But I think he’s knowledgeable as a coach no doubt. But knowing the history of the game. He doesn’t know lol. Wilt actually played with more top 50 players than Bill. The kawhi take is all time bad. Melo not over kawhi at alll 💀💀
KD doesn't require a playmaker. He requires ax floor spacer
Ox take on Carmelo Anthony is what’s wrong with the basketball now.. he’s sitting here saying melo who’s put in work for years and coming off a good season shooting the ball in LA should have to prove himself to get 10-15 minutes on the floor for the Knicks???
First, I had no problem with the list until the Kawhi argument. Buddy, you are completely wrong. Kawhi is a top-six SF, and he is number six.
Why didn’t Ron play the rest of that clip? Melo said more after that
Saying Kawhi Never dominated is crazy
Our definitions of dominated is two different things
Peak kawhi was the best in the world
@@yahiaali4059he was not. Peak kawhi was still in the league with the king.
@@jetsettech8804 in 2019 lebron wasn’t better than kawhi lol he was at the top defensively,efficiency and offence. He outplayed giannis who was the mvp that year and embiid
@@yahiaali4059was peak kawhi better than kd or steph that year?
The Elgin Baylor disrespect has to stop
Notable honorable mentions include Cliff Hagan and Paul Arizin
From my very limited st louis hawks 50s knowledge and film,i think cliff hagan was arguably better than bob pettit,now the decline was swift but at his best i think he was really good
@@MarzTalksSports Hagan averaged more PPG in some of the playoffs rounds than Pettit early but was really the number 2 scorer on that team. He averaged more apg and was more efficient. His minutes got cut after 62 but he was still putting up around 15ppg. Give him the minutes he was getting before 63 and he probably makes a few more all star teams.
@@wootage8434 I think Pettit gets given the 'clear best player' label cos of that closeout game in the finals but from what ive seen i think it was alot closer than people would think,but i wouldnt expect people to go and watch the late 50s early 60s st louis hawks,idek how many games are still available online anymore
@@MarzTalksSports not many. Just highlights and the radio broadcast of the 4th quarter of game 6 of the 58 finals. Would have been great to see some of those complete games of Pettit vs Russell or Pettit vs Wilt or Wilt vs Russell and some others. Hagan had some battles with Baylor that some old school players say were fun to watch
@@wootage8434 its sad so much of nba history has been erased just by time. i really think The NBA should have Every recorded game stored somewhere. maybe for the 100th anniversary of the NBA they could release it or sum idk. cos alot of players and games are being forgotten
Why pippin segment was so short
Ox trolling but if he has bird, bird at his peak was never dpoy level like lebron was or even as good on defence as lebron, scoring, playmaking goes to lebron, jump shooting goes to bird fair enough but rim pressure is definitely bron. For someone who loves defense as much as ox why would bird be above bron when HE SAW BRONS PEAK hitting game winners after game winners
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Marz face 2:38:57 😂😂😂😂😂
If it’s one on one best scorers, where’s Kyrie then ?
Jordan trippin he know Kawhi better than Bernard King lol
Melo didn’t have a better handle than Mac and Kobe(unless by wings he meant SF’s)
Did you guys see the disrespect that the Kobe fans was doing to mj on chil with Gil . I guarantee you that was LeBron James fans, disrespecting MG. He will have all LeBron James UA-camr and haters calling out LeBron James fans for being so disrespectful but I guarantee you everybody’s gonna keep quiet on this.
Dantley.. Aguirre.. mashsburn..😅
Ox… melo didn’t say he wanted to play 30 minutes a game stop being weird bro. He just didn’t want to ride the bench and not play at all some nights because he was better than that. That’s not being a bad team player.
Am I trippin or did they skip over shooting guard top 10?
ron is weird,we doing SGs next week
@@MarzTalksSportsy’all gotta limit the control Ron has lol
Ya T-Mac is not a top 5 scorer all time. Obviously we are going Prime ability. I think you have to take into account scoring when the game really matters. Clutch scorers. But if you take that factor out then T-Mac might be top 5…. same goes for Harden.
Marz has no idea what he’s talking about when it comes to Houston and Melo he’s totally wrong lol
What i said? houston told him no middies?
And them good shots or why kd is not a winning the dude in year 20 and we still saying he can’t win without step
KD takes the same “bad shots “ as Kobe Kyrie Mac Melo etc… take but hes 7’0” so there isn’t anything you can do.
So is it really a bad shot ?
Yh you see their schemes but they see yours too
People need to stop overrating Carmelo Anthony. He is not a top 10 small forward and a prime Melo wouldn't be a top 10 in the league today.
Yeah!!! You’re chatting gang
@@ninoboom2453he chattin hard lol
Carmelo was a high volume low efficiency scorer, poor playmaker with ball stopping tendencies. Not to mention he was atrocious on Defense.
@@blacknetsmed Melo wasn't low effeciency in his prime lol. He was just average
@@MegaKhalid121 Melo was almost always a low efficiency scorer in the Playoffs. From 2006 to 2013 Playoffs, Melo's true shooting was 51.9%. He took 32% of his shots at the rim & finished at a 51% clip. To put that into context 5'11" Allen Iverson for his Playoff Career took the same amount of attempts at the rim as Melo as finished at a 53% clip.
I have no issue with who they have casted for these roles. My only issue with new Star Wars is the writers and directors. It's just and terrible writing. Makes me feel bad for the actors that are getting these roles. I mean, have you seen Daisy Ridley and anything else? Have you seen John bodega and anything else? Those movies killed there careers
Larry bird then lebron
Ron🤣
L host
Dub episode lmao
Bird is tougher mentally than lebron
Myth
Paul pierce is not a top 10 sf😂 but that makes y’all show unique
Damn swipa needs to be reeducated about Star Wars 😂 Disney demoted John boyega not the fans. Before force awakens came out Disney shrunk his head on the poster in multiple countries. The fans like Finn and think he’s wasted potential cause Disney wanted a female Mary Sue character with Rey The hate isn’t cause there are black characters it’s because it’s woke and all about feminism there is no racism is Star Wars. Swipa has the victim mentality
This idea that bird better than kd is fucking ridiculous!! It’s all narrative! Kd and lebron is neck to neck as far as talent go but lebron better than bird but kd not??😂😂
Bron and KD are not “neck and neck as far as talent goes” unless you talking strictly bucket getting it’s not even close unfortunately
i think u just evaluate the game poorly and are mad at us
@@tygg4455 you sound like a damn casual. When they went head to head kd beat him in the finals. We saw kd impact. They are definitely neck to neck. They both got something that the other don’t have which balances it out but they both pretty much are the most versatile forwards of all time. I don’t wanna hear no narrative talk. I’m talking pure game! Stop you bronsexual
@@tygg4455 it’s a shame mfs don’t know how to be objective! Kd can do everything lebron can do and vice versa. Lebron the better passer but kd the better rim protector and blocker. Lebron better on ball by a lil bit but kd better at offside help . Kd controls the floor with his shooting ability, lebron controls the floor with his passing. They both average the same pts per game career wise and playoffs. They both came in the game killing from the start. They are literally neck to neck and this why Steph needed kd because he wasn’t ever gonna beat lebron again. Put some respect on kd name
@@etherionoon' i dont wanna hear no narrative talk' 'when they met in the finals kd beat him' i forgot the NBA is a 1on1 game
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Jimmy > Havlichek, Pierce, Melo, and Baylor
clearly not well versed in hondo
@@MarzTalksSports What does that mean?
@@iinterested388 You are evidently not very aware of who john havlicek was
@@MarzTalksSports Not really. Just not impressed with his resume in that time period. Jimmy averages more points on a poss by poss basis while being a better defender, although I would say they are similar level of passers
Buddy is hilarious wit the town shit sometimes like “40% added sugar town” 😂😂😂😂😂 @1buddieog
coach was yapping
Ox is clearly a Melo hater. Melo came out and said what happened but Ox still holds on to what he thinks happened. Clown.