Mormon bishop immediately regrets inviting non-believing member to come back to church & participate
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A Mormon bishop in Meridian, Idaho (Vienna Woods Ward) recently invited an inactive, non-believing member to “come back to church and participate.”
He did just that and was then “invited” to sit down before he finished bearing his testimony. Several members, including the 1st Counselor in the bishopric, spoke with him afterwards.
FYI: This Mormon ward in Meridian, ID. lost quite a few members to the so-called “Remnant” movement (aka the Snufferites) prior to this incident: Here’s an article about the Remnant movement from the Salt Lake Tribune: www.sltrib.com...
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If the leader of your religion did things that aren't kosher for kids, you're probably in the wrong religion...
The definition of kosher is genuine and legititate. Seems kosher to me
@True Colors Funny how you dismiss one holy book while making declarations as if your book doesn't fall into the same category... myth/fiction.
Well you just wiped out religion and all stories...the news, politics, most of history, your pre marriage history.
Not "probably" ....you are in the wrong religion if you must hide the truth in order to keep them as members
@@NubbinzGaming ... funny how my hand on my profile youtube pic is a right hand & urs is a left hand.
If doctrine is too heavy for kids to fully grasp, perhaps they shouldn't be baptizing them at 8 yrs old.
So much this!
And then ridiculing them when they decide they no longer believe at 18, because they are too young to know it isn’t true.
YES!!!!
Tanis Christiana, they only want the kids to hear the whitewashed version of Joseph Smith. Don’t mention his child brides or the fact that he was drunk and shooting back in the Carthage jail. Don’t mention the glass looking conviction or his Kirtland bank fraud scandal. Just the faux fax, ma’am.
NewNameNoah I just learned about the Kirtland quasi-bank scandal the other day. LOL Still learning at 42, and I've spent my whole life around Mormons.
Don't invite people back if you don't want to hear why they left.
That doesn't make sense. If the guy doesn't like the church, he can just stay home. Like the family members I no longer invite over for holidays because they wreck the place every time. Stay home. Don't piss on my parade.
It was his opportunity to share why he left the church. The bishop asked him to come back, so it's on him.
@@prometheus5700 the bishop invited him. Dumb bishop.
That's the main problem.
The LDS church provides NO PLACE for people who are struggling with their faith.
We can understand that lack of openness.
True Blue Mormons may start doubting after hearing truth...
@@daveyjones9930 I agree, members of the church have quite judgmental in my opinion, made it really hard for my brother to come back, doesn’t mean it isn’t true
'We're cousins!" the most Mormon conversation ever 😂😂😂
The way this triggered my fight or flight... -an exmormon
Mad, fight and flight are both in opposition. Bye.
@Marty McFly Smarty, you recruit those stupid readers - don't pretend they scare you.
@@gunnerlawts do you have anything better to do than argue with random people online? Not gonna change any opinions, time cam be better spent elsewhere.
Same here. I got so scared.
Same haha
For those saying what he did was inappropriate. Being I am a ex Mormorn I can see and agree with why he did it. You can't just leave the LDS faith. You have people who stop over unannounced. Family, the Bishop and Missionaries call and stop over. There all analyzing what is wrong with you and why you left the one and only true Church. Even though you ask them to stop contacting you it continues. Then they start trying to contact your kids. The LDS Church has no respect for your privacy when you leave the Church. So this guy knew what he had to do to buy his freedom. That's all he was doing, buying his freedom. I threatened my Dad with doing this if the harassment from the LDS Church and Family members didn't stop. My Dad knew I was serious and within weeks all contact ceased.
I resigned my LDS membership some 20 years ago...and not once have I/we been contacted since my (and family's) resignation.
Maybe it was because I gave them 60 days to do the job...that if they didn't, I would have my lawyer get involved.
60 days later I got the acknowledgement letter telling us we were OUT.😆
If you just walk away it's almost a guarantee you will be contacted by LDS reps.
You simply have to ask. People don’t know your status unless you make it known. And even then, they’re just doing their best to be friends and reach out. Funny enough there are people in your scenario that get mad when people don’t reach out and feel abandoned. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don’t.
If being contacted by church representatives can't be stopped, how did your dad stop it? In my experience, all requests to end contact from the church is respected and adhered to.
@@davidlarsen8284 they legally have to.
@@davidlarsen8284 After the first few that were sent over simply disappear they'll get the message and stop bothering you.
"You brought a terrible spirit in here! The spirit of facts".
“My mind is made up, now do not confuse me with the truth.”
Jesus would be proud of you.
can you explain the theory of peado with a 14 yr old.
@@danielmoore4024 Google "Stockholm syndrome".
@@danielmoore4024 Investigate this:
The word Adam means man, it also means one who can blush/flush, (show blood in the face) which Negroes, Latinos, Asians cannot do, it means reddish/white, etc.
Jacob's father Isaac and mother Rebecca were Syrians (Caucasians). Plus, the very word Laban means WHITE. Laban said to Jacob, "we're of the SAME skin". Laban was Rebecca's brother. Lebanon is named after Laban because of the snow capped mountain. Jacob said his father was a Syrian in Deut 26:5 which makes Jacob a white Syrian as well. Whites have transparent skin, when we're embarrassed we blush ,when we're frightened we "turn white as a ghost" and we also go flush or pale when we're ashamed just as Jacob's face went pale from being ashamed. That is a biblical description of a white Jacob. Jacob was a white Syrian just as president Assad is white. Even David was described in the same way as the rest of the Hebrews as having a white face with a red complexion. He was "ruddy and fair". As you know "fair" means light/white like fair skin, fair hair. (below) ALL the tribes came to David and said they're of the same flesh (white skin) as him. Samson was a Nazarite, they're Israelite's too, he was whiter than milk with a red complexion. Solomon was white with a red complexion. He had a white face, white abdomen, white neck, white nose, white legs like marble. He had emerald eyes like fish pools. I've showed Laban, Jacob, David, Samson, and Solomon were ALL white Hebrew/Israelite's. I too have brought several bible witnesses. Those mentioned are all blood related family members of Jesus. Jesus was born in Galilee making him a Galatian (Gaul/Celt) I can prove Galatians/Celts migrated from Macedonia and western Europe (Gaul) into Turkey. then into Galilee. Galatians get their name from the word gala meaning milk. (they're whiter than milk, more ruddy than rubies).
Can you show me Negroes, Latinos, Asians being described in the bible? West Africa isn't even mentioned on the table of nations map per Genesis 10.
Strong's Concordance gala: milk Genesis 25:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian
Deuteronomy 26:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 And thou shalt speak and say before the Lord thy God A Syrian ready to perish was my father and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:
2 Samuel 5:5 King James Version (KJV) 5 Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh
1 Chronicles 11:1 King James Version (KJV) 11 Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh
table of nations map i.ytimg.com/vi/YbyHZdA3tyI/maxresdefault.jpg
Tower of Lebanon godzdogz.op.org/images/blogs/godzdogz/2011/02/07-2-6.TowerDavid-224x300.jpg
Song of Solomon 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy the chiefest among ten thousand.
Song of Solomon 5:14 ► His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires
Song of Solomon 7:4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.
Song of Solomon 5:15 His legs are as pillars of marble set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon excellent as the cedars.
Isaiah 29:22 Therefore thus saith the LORD, who redeemed Abraham, concerning the house of Jacob, Jacob shall not now be ashamed, neither shall his face now wax PALE
1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a FAIR countenance
Genesis 29:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh And he abode with him the space of a month.
Lamentations 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies their polishing was of sapphire:
Strong's Concordance laban: white Original Word: לָבָן Part of Speech: Adjective Transliteration: laban Phonetic Spelling: (law-bawn')
Short Definition: white Naz·i·rite ˈnazəˌrīt/ nounhistorical noun: Nazarite an Israelite consecrated to the service of God, under vows to abstain from alcohol, let the hair grow, and avoid defilement by contact with corpses
(Num. 6). fair fer/ adjective1.in accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate."the group has achieved fair and equal representation for all its members"synonyms: just, equitable, honest, upright, honorable, trustworthy; More2. (of hair or complexion) light; blond synonyms: blond/blonde, yellowish, golden, flaxen, light, ash blond "fair hair" pale, light, light-colored, white, creamy
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Adam NASB Translation reddish (2) reddish-white (4).somewhat reddish Reduplicated from 'adam; reddish -- (somewhat) reddish. To show blood (in the face) i.e. Flush or turn rosy -- be (dyed, made) red (ruddy). adam: man, mankind Original Word: אָדָם see HEBREW 'adam
"I believe you can lead good, fulfilling, honest lives without religion." he says that here. he has that right.
Let me tell you, that's not what's on dying irreligious people's minds. Too late they ask about God and know they will leave this world in a body bag just like everybody else.
Sure you can live honest good lives without it being done for the glory of God. But in the end, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Repent and trust in Jesus. Time is short and eternity (in heaven or hell) is forever. Choose ye this day whom you will serve. There is only one God, the God of the bible who does not need other books to represent Him. The bible is the final book. And God is the final authority.
Holy shit, for someone who grew up mormon, that might be the bravest thing a person could possibly do. Kudos
I grew up in the church too. I can’t post a picture on Facebook of me holding a beer, let alone doing what that guy did. I felt very proud watching this video!!
Bravest ? You calling Corrihor brave or Ghidianton ? Dummest - yes.
Kudos for being disrespectful?
@@supercool9180 Totally!! Takes some serious guts to do what he did, although I’m not complaining ;))
@@supercool9180 thanks I've been practicing
I think the biggest proof to me that this guy was raised Mormon was the language he used. It's kind of hard to explain but every cult has a certain way they talk during their testimony that has all the key words.
Its Also their tone of voice and pattern of speaking.
Yeah, I hate Cults too ... like Catholicism and Islam.
@@matthewbabernathy The more I learn about cults the more I start to feel like all religion is a cult...
I grew up Christian, I was always taught that going to church was good, and not going was bad, there was even a time when I stopped going and I got personally invited by the pastor to go back. I did, and I felt like an outcast there, people didn't want to talk to me, and then the pastor took me to his office and talked to me about what was going on in my faith... I couldn't tell him I didn't believe at all any more because then my parents would find out and then I would for sure be kicked out of the house, so I just told him that my job was getting in the way. That's when I realized just how bad religion could be for people, how much it was like what I thought a cult to be...
@@konrione5349 Yes, Kon, you are not alone. I had to "play the part" in my family until I got old enough to move out onto my own. I really quit believing ... Get this ... After I started to really study the Bible to know Jesus better. BELIEVE THAT? Well, I did a lot of reading/s into the Early Church, and I was DISGUSTED with what I found. No one told me many of the details about early Judea, Rome occupation, countless Messiahs, etc. Also, once I read the Gospels in this order -- Mark, Mathew, Luke, and John. Wow, that broke me from believing it was eye-witnesses, because Jesus goes from being a normal man and turns into a God. So, that changed my veiwpoints.
@@matthewbabernathy and the blasphemous cult of Ellen G. White( seventh-day adventism).
“Dont talk about polygamy in front of my 9 year old daughter” - only 5 more years and she’s old enough to be one of Joseph’s wives!
Love how they don’t want to talk about polygamy in the founding of the church but happy to talk about sex and chastity in their babtismal interview when they are 8!
EXACTLY !!!
The man was a turd,pig,idiot,liar,rude,and I could go on. His arguments were all arguments of the past, which no knows all the truth and polygamy is still practiced to day yet he won't stand up in a Muslim church, they would not tell him to sit down they would take him outside and take his head off. The book of Mormon is still true, and it was a total miracle from God how it came to pass. Unless you know how it came to be, know one on planet earth has given a plausible answer. Let's hear it coward's
@@bobhappy991yeah dude fuck islam too, and baptism, and all christianity, and hinduism, and judaism, and what else do you want me to name. Also yall mormons never say anything with teeth, only baby wristed schoolyard insults. Rude, turd liar. You want to say, but feel you can't, "asshole" "piece of shit".
CULT.
“If we have the truth, it cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.” - J. Reuben Clark
A lot of people investigated and left the church and we always know that always come back if you know how to do your research, search up don bradley he left the church for 7 years and came back and had a stronger testimony, we have the fullness in doctrine
@@deeznutz8228 people tend to go back to what they know. But imagine, believing anything that Joseph Smith wrote in the days when you have the internet.
Here’s some facts: if the Book of Mormon were true, where is the historical evidence of his described “wars” between the two tribes in North America? Artifacts? Languages? Anything besides his “take my word for it,” policy? What about the Pearl of Great Price? Why again, does it come down to one man’s “translations” when they have been proven wrong time and time again. Where has the Bible ever been proven wrong? And if you can’t rely on the history that Joseph Smith claimed to be true, then why are you believing anything that he wrote? Last, if you look at the fruit his tree produced- he committed adultery, lied to his wife and followers, was found guilty of multiple crimes against his fellow man and neighbors, and made himself quite rich off of his followers.
Meanwhile, the Bible was written by over 40 different people over thousands of years, with all the books supporting and building off of eachother with absolutely no contradictions! (And despite never having access to one another to keep the story cohesive.) It has been proven historically accurate long before science could begin to fathom the truths it told. It has proven itself to be 100% flawless in its prophecies.
…Furthermore, did Christ walk the world as a rich man, taking everything from his followers and buying material and worldly land and items? Did he say to collect a billion dollars in a “church account”, or did he flip the tables of those who were making money off God’s followers? Did he advocate keeping any secrets from his people- handshakes or ceremonies or require ridiculous garments to worship? Or did he call the religious leaders “snakes and vipers who replaced God’s laws with man made rituals? Did he say to swear covenants? Or did he say to let your “yes be yes and your no be no, but to only worship God and serve your fellow man”?Did Christ show he walked with God’s authority by healing the blind, sick, and diseased? Did he resurrect and walk amongst the people- proving all the claimed? What about Joseph Smith?
Look, there was some good in some of the things Joseph Smith taught. Thats how deceivers work- they take 30% truth and encase it in 70% of lies. And I know it’s hard to accept that you have been taught things that simply aren’t true. That must be devastating, in fact. But it’s not your fault. You are only to blame if you continue to prefer the lie once you have the availability to learn the truth. So go learn it. Read the New Testament. Study Mormon church history and the accuracy of Smith’s historical accounts. Don’t be afraid. Only fear the Big Man upstairs. And Christ loves you. You wants you to come back in the fullness with HIM- no intermediary needed or wanted. ❤
You invited him to speak and he spoke. And I have to say this young man was very brave.
@@sillysarah7249 Haha that was his testimony of the church, just not a standard "I know the church is true and I'm oblivious to basic science and knowledge" kind of testimony.
@@sillysarah7249 He did just that.He bared "HIS" testimony of the church. The truth is out.Do you want to be in a click or do you really want to find God? Pray for truth.
@@sillysarah7249 He did have a testimony and he didn't have to ask anybody to give or sell him one.
He’s there to stir things up. What a Jack ass.
@@BeastMode19799 He was asked to come and bear his testimony. He did. It's just not the same as yours.
A lot of you guys in the comments are saying " He was so disrespectful! He was in someone's house and said what he felt "
Mormons do that too by going on a mission and knocking on people's houses wanting to share a message.
Good point.
Even if this guy made a no contact request he could have still been contacted by the bishop like that. That gets really old when you were traumatized by the church
@@jamescheddar4896 It is very easy to have your name removed from Church records. A signed letter to your current Bishop stating your desire to have your baptism cancelled and record removed.
@@macadameane that lasts for a few years then they come back
"Because the mormon church does it, I can too" is not a great moral compass to live by.
So this man was invited to share his testimony. He did so, and they cut him short because they’re didn’t like it. Then bishop got up, and gave the “correct” testimony. As if the bishop’s testimony was more authoritative and important.
@Jim Caponzi Did you misread Ashley's message? Sounds to me she's not pro-mormon.
@@danielmoore4024 You mean to say you, Daniel Moore could tell 1 1/2 billion Catholics they were wrong on your say so? LOLOL You and that "political vote" nonsense. LOLOL
@@danielmoore4024 What revelation have you received today Daniel Moore? What did your mormon "god" say to you. Tell us.
@@danielmoore4024 And I suppose you believe in the flat Earth theory?
@@danielmoore4024 OK So you gained one soul for the Joseph Smith "church". You do realize there are many, many who are leaving after learning the truth by reading Gospel Topics Essays and the CES Letter. Win a few, lose a lot.
I guess they only want someone’s testimony if it suits their narrative. Brave man for sharing his truth.
And it accomplished nothing.
Yup that's exactly the way it works ..I wouldn't b surprised if at least one person has similar concerns and he may have helped them.
@@valuecalc How do you know this? He planted seeds of truth and broadcast it to the world.... just read these comments ❤️🙏
@@MsQ275, wrong place, wrong time...
its a group of people that come together for a day of peace not a day to ruffle feathers and get contentious
"Don't bring facts to this establishment" is basically what he said.
Basically lying - not facts.
Scholars don't have the facts. That is being realized every day.
@@tecnolover2642 I'm guessing you're part of the cult?
@@musickf You guess too much.
@Jim Caponzi Ah, Jim the Mick. Welcome back.
That last guy is a true jerk....glad I am no longer part of that lie
Big jerk. Full of judgement
My first takeaway from this video, no one looks happy to be there.
Thats becuase they run peoples lives totally....if they let them.
The x communication is a dang joke. As if they could stop a soul from going to grace. Just goofy
Goofy folks. Anyone should be happy to have that happen.
like most church services they are interminable boredom..
I was told growing up that I was my mom’s “free spirit” and it was in a negative way. Smh 🤦♀️ I quit going at 18 and never went to the temple except I did baptisms for the dead once. The secrecy behind the temple ceremonies scared me. I refused to go.
@@eclecticempath5263
What kind of secret ceremonies did they have?
I'm unfamiliar with LDS
@@RicArmstrong in the temple. They have what they call endowments, baptisms for the dead and one other ceremony. I never went because I was too afraid to. They won’t tell you what you do there because it’s “too sacred to speak of outside the temple” so I said f that lol never went to the temple. If you look up New Name Noah on UA-cam you can see some of the ceremonies. He secretly recorded them. It’s eye opening.
I’ve got kids in there” what he failed to say is “that I’m dragging in here to be brainwashed every week! How could you come in here and disrupt that?!”
You sound delusional and idiotic and you seem like you follow other People's opinions
exactly
You're entitled to teach your kids whatever beliefs you want and I'll teach my kids my kids beliefs that I have. If you think it's ok to come into a place of worship just to denounce it and try to destroy the beliefs of the congregation, then you're the one who has got some serious issues more than the issues you prescribe to the members of the church. This was extremely inappropriate behavior.
If you need to worry about age appropriate historical material for your kids concerning your religious practices, there is a issue with the beliefs.
Or there's the fact that life is messy and not always G-rated.
"You've been in the church long enough to know we aren't honest with children."
Honest Abe
He wasn't honest either. the Civil war was not about slavery,, no sir.
Waaait, so this video was "published on 31 Mar 2019", so it should be 10 days old, but there are comments from 10 months ago? okaaaay lol
@@valeriavagapova honestly wtf???
@@millerbiller4657 yeah I'm still lost on that lol, no idea not that can be possible
@@valeriavagapova sometimes people repost their video. It isn't a lie, it is a reposting
God, I dont miss that mind f*%^ of a cult one bit.
Half of the congregation are not paying attention, look like they would rather be some where else.
The talk was boring lol!
The talk was boring and STUPID.
19:00 Why is knowledge of polygamy so damaging or offensive to children? This whole "please, think of the children" shtick is a bit overdone, no? Absurd really. Especially when one considers a large portion of Mormonism is dedicated to bending the minds of the youth.
The hesitation in his voice before he said “gay marriage”, as someone who grew up in the church I understand your bravery. Good job
"same-sex marriage/attraction" is the proper terminology within the church for some reason
Sierra, why would the church support gay marriage?
A lot of them seem to actually be listening (as opposed to playing with their phone or being absent-minded), they knew something was up.
The only time they listen lol!
Their Services are as Godly as a series of Rootcanals, minus Marcaine,Xylocaine and post op painkillers
This man has balls you can tell he is trying not to lose it. Lovd him
This “man” is a chicken shit.
That's the way they all are
"We have kids in here to indoctrinate" is what he meant to say.
And dozens of people have said that in the past 5 months; pretty silly to repeat it.
@Jim Caponzi Pretty silly to repeat it.
The point of what the bishop was saying is not to hide the truth of doctrine but to present doctrine in an age-appropriate manner.. what's in the hearing of young children that lack the understanding.. of "poly" -
They don't even know what the word polygamy means... Any more than you would stand up and discuss sexuality in a public meeting and call out your testimony.
I believe that age appropriate education is right and important and I do not find any fault in the bishop correcting him for his verbal essay.
If the guy is really serious about returning to church.... And especially the fact that he was educated enough and even served a mission..
He should know better......
That's just what the bishop was saying to him there's nothing wrong with that.!!
I think it's really beautiful how polite this guy is. It demonstrates that he's not necessarily trying to tear anything down or make anything worse, just rather to be open and honest about an experience that a lot of those attending probably lacked.
Shhhh shhh shhh everything is fine go back to sleep.
you are talking gibberish again.
You know exactly what he was trying to do he was trying to tear down our beliefs and get other members of the congregation to lean towards his views against what our principles are in the gospel. And those in the congregation didn't like anything they know the true fullness of the gospel and they hear it and that wasn't it
Yeah what Scott said. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing. He was not the victim here, he was the instigator.
Explain how a single thing he said was untrue. With sources and links or you are completely invalid.
So then you all disagree that if you have the truth then no amount of scrutiny will hurt it and it should be evaluated...sounds like you all are scared that under scrutiny the truth claims don't hold up. I could see myself doing something like this.
Hiding the truth of a church background from children who are asked to join for life before knowing it, seems not kosher to me
That's because it's not. Their "age of accountability" is 8 because 8 y/o's don't know what the hell they're getting into, it's just mommy and daddy spouting off opinions and little Timmy doesn't know what to do
@@chloebridges5440 Now they want to lower the age of accountability to 7.
“How dare you expose my false religion in front of my kids!” 😂😂😂
@rl1b99 : EXACTLY 💯... How dare he lie to his own children, & everyone else just to keep them ignorant of his Cult!! But yet, he's the victim right !! 🤦🏽♂️
You guys are so blinded it's not even a joke 🤣
I like your picture
The gentleman at the end is worried that the shared content wasn't age appropriate but did Joseph think marrying a 14 year old was age appropriate?
This comment is pure gold
@@danielmoore4024 it wasn't common during the time of Joseph Smith, that is a historical fact that I would encourage you to look at.
@@danielmoore4024 how about official court marriage records during that period cross country? that reveals the age of both parties. Plus polygamy was illegal at that time. This is well documented. I wouldn't trust a random online site but this is a matter of public record, no bias or slant, just the historical record. And history tells a different story.
@@danielmoore4024 There's a difference random sites and legitimate resources. Why is it that everything is anti-Mormon when it doesn't have the church's endorsement? This is a common thing I encounter in most lds folks, when they are presented with arguments or anything that calls into question their beliefs, they claim, "it's anti Mormon."
God's word says to test all things, cling to what's true, reject every kind of evil, " (1 thes. 5:21-22). But it's as though Mormons only run instead of test truth claims.
The point I was making about public marriage records is that they show that marrying young girls was not the norm, that is a fact whether you like it or not. And secondly, how would law enforcement know Joseph was marrying all these women and girls if he's married in a Mormon ceremonial fashion where they do their own thing.
My friend, I admire your enthusiasm and your faith but faith is futile if misplaced. I have LDS friends and members I talk with fairly regularly. The bible is the objective source of authority. Anything that deviates is from the enemy. Prayers and blessings my friend.
P.S. I'll look into the things you directed me to pertaining to Joseph's marriages. It's been a while since I've considered these sources because I'm concerned more so with refuting Mormon gospel and doctrine.
@@danielmoore4024 Respectively, God's word has never been lost. Isaiah 40:8 says, "The grass withereth and the flower fadeth but the Word of our God will stand forever" (KJV). Jesus confirms, "Heaven and Earth will pass away but My Words will not pass away" (Mt. 24:35).
Acts 3:21, Peter delivers his second sermon to those who witnessed the lame man walk again. Peter is referring to the eschaton or last days when God will finally restore things to His original intent, fellowship with God, the tangible and intangible living in unity.
The verse in acts 3:21 refers to Christ bring received in heaven until the "restitution of 'all' things" comes to pass, of which the prophets of old spoke about.
Same thing with Jehovah’s Witnesses. Cults must control your information.
Cults fear the truth.
And all religions are cults. Just ask them who is a cult. "Everyone but us" is what they think. It's all lies to get more money and power. They all need to grow up!
this was the scariest POV ive ever watched
Liam Jones 😂🤣🤣
😂
Turns out when you have no spine and you immediately apologize for everything you do and say and believe, there is no real danger. Even the devil dislikes those who refuse to commit.
@@michaelreeves1147
Satan a freind of yours, is he?
@@michaelreeves1147 I wish he hadn't apologized too. But he's human.
He's got a nine year old...but can't reveal the totality of his church's founder? Strange, very strange.
I agree with that guy at the end that it was inappropriate, not the place, not the platform, etc. However - when something so basic to your faith is inappropriate for kids to hear, don't you think that's a red flag that you're in a cult?
The problem is that polygamy is not "basic to [the LDS] faith" and hasn't been practiced for over 130 years. It's a complicated doctrine that can be confusing for those not mature enough to understand it, so there's nothing wrong with parents' deciding to wait until that time to explain it to their children.
@@tasamolic It is though. They believe in polygamy in the celestial kingdom.
How is it not the platform when one is INVITED to speak? I don't understand that.
@@ginnyg2003 It's an open invitation for anyone to bear testimony in support of the church. It's not an open forum for anything you want to say. I agree with everything he said, but the delivery was cringey cause it just wasn't the right forum for it. It's not like he was personally invited to speak. There's a respectful way to talk to Mormons about their church history and disrespectful ways to do it.
@@kristiblankenship5573 He said he received an invitation to give his testimony. Why did he get an invite if they didn't want to hear from him? When is the meeting where people are allowed to challenge the church with real questions?
I don’t think ppl who see this who were never in the church realize how terrifying this must have been for him. I honestly don’t know if I’d ever be brave enough to do this. Amazing job man, inspirational
Only watching this made me forget to breathe. That is bravery, damn.
Was not inspiration at all. He was wrong to try to persuade people's ideals of the Gospel
He tried....if they want the truth they will seek it ...I could hear his voice shaking. Glad the lady came up to him after .
@@scottmccune8608 he wasn’t trying to persuade anyone. He was literally giving his testimony.
I don't think it was brave. I don't believe the church is true anymore. But he knew the response he would receive. What he did isn't going to change anyone's mind in the congregation. It was just a waste of time.
A lie of omission is still a lie. Telling him he can't bring up those topics because there are kids there, is because they'd rather lie to their kids.
They don't want the kids to know that if they were a Mormon 200 years ago, there is a good chance that Joseph would want to get them in the sack.
Thats the problem. People keep raising their children in this even though they know its a lie. So it's just a continuous cycle. It's like santa clause
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@@karimsonsafehold9233 Are you a flat Earther or something? Horrible analogy as we have evidence the earth is not flat, and it's irrational to think we should teach kids everything that's not true (that's an infinite list.) These issues are admitted as issues, with evidence, hidden from those who have been or will become baptized, without full disclosure of the facts. So you used a demonstrable non-truth as an analogy for admitted truths like JS's multiple wives. One wonders how you've learned to be so condescending with analogies so bad.
“We got kids there” .. don’t talk about Joseph smith’s dirty secrets
"We got kids in there, we're trying to brainwash them and you're deprograming that"
As if the kids actually pay attention. They’re too busy screaming at the top of their lungs while parents try to force them to sit still for 3 hours.
This dude has some BALLS!
For being rude?
@@neriauati570 the guy who gave the speech is, but that’s what you said. 😂
@@neriauati570 he was being disrespectful.
@@supercool9180 I will take rude honest over fake truth everyday.
he does have so much balls...lol salute you
Those "kids" deserve to know the truth! They need to stop lying to their children. So, yeah! Kudos to you for what you did! That took guts!
🔥🔥🔥 His 9-y-o daughter is old enough to make a life long commitmet to the church through baptism, a COVENANT for her entire life, but she's not old enough to know the truth... Good job, dad.
mormon bishops ask children as young as 7 and 8 years old 29 questions of a sexual nature such as "Do you masturbate" and it's all approved and encouraged by the mormon hierarchy. It's sick. One mormon bishop, Sam Young tried to put a stop to it and he was excommunicated.
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@@2326038 You are such an idiot. "Are you morally clean?" That is the one question asked in a baptism interview that could possibly be considered having sexual connotations, and a parent is asked to attend the interview if they would like. Stop promoting falsehoods Ricky.
@@martinandersen9810 You are lying again. protectldschildren.org/ And who in hell is Ricky?
@Jim Caponzi Gee, I never though of that. LOL He was calling me Ricky a month or so ago too.
@Jim Caponzi You probably read those questions in the links I sent Tyndale25. The first one "Do you masturbate" doesn't sound anything like what he said kids are asked "Are you morally clean" does it? So that makes him a liar once again.
Yeah, you shouldn't do that. The church meetings aren't the place for facts.
I admire your courage.
Man. That was ballsy to go up there. But to stick around afterwards, and actually make conversation with the bishop too? You’re too manly for this world.
If their beloved prophet is inappropriate for children, what does that tell you?
🙏🏻
What Benjamin was saying was inappropiate not what our Prophet says
@@scottmccune8608 The truth is inappropriate for children? Joseph Smith and mormonism are indefensible.
Yeah, if Joseph Smith’s actions can’t be shared with children...or that the translations are wrong...I mean...maybe you should re-evaluate your religion.
@Hyperion No, they whitewash their history.
I'm shocked that he was able to speak for so long.
Also, pay attention to how kind they were to him, even after his testimony. Also shocking.
Another, the guys literally said "I know all of the things you were talking about, but I ignore them and choose to stay," and the man said "we all know there are controversial things in the church," its pretty nuts.
A cult right?
Dude has balls to do that.
Think how nervous he must have
No he doesn’t.
I respect him fully
@@supercool9180 then you go to a church where your beliefs run contrary and give a testimony in front of the entire congregation.
@@jjstratford wdym?
The most crazy thing is how ashamed they are of Joseph Smith.
No, I think that their brains are trying to work. They should be ashamed of a con man and sexual predator.
Joseph Smith probably suffered more than 90% of all prophets for his mission in life, he got zero money/wealth for all his work, he got tar and feathered, he was hated by many. A con man gets wealth out of his con, Smith got nothin but pain. The Church of Jesus Christ is true and is of God, and because someone wrote this or that about the Prophet Joseph Smith over a century ago means zero, when over half of all the teachings of the world being taught today are lies and half truths, so why would you believe in some Joseph Smith hating man who wrote lies?
@@jerryhenrie8589 Do you know how the apostles died? Joseph got the honor of a bullet. The others, not so much. His power was absolute. He might have not died a rich man but it is telling that you think wealth is the measure of a man.
Smith got the adulation and power over his congregation he knew being a religious leader would garner. He also knew that subsequent "revelations" would give him licence to pursue his sexual proclivities or any other whims which entered his mind.
Jo Litsinger So did ya vote for Trump?
Everyone’s welcome! Just don’t express your thoughts and questions. Stick to the prescribed script and Mormon language. Let’s not teach the children about the truth. They’re not ready!
That's been said 10,000 times, already.
This is such a reductive argument.
The man got up during a testimony meeting--which has the explicit purpose of allowing members to share their belief in Christ--to express a contrary viewpoint in order to stir up the congregation. So yeah, this was not a time to "express his thoughts and questions"--or for anyone else to do so, for that matter, even believers.
Additionally, are you claiming that children are in fact capable of understanding any and all truth before they're mature enough? We don't teach sex ed to infants. Let parents teach their children heavier topics when they feel they're old enough.
@@tasamolic the problem is that most Mormon parents don’t teach their kids that stuff - ever. Most parents aren’t aware of the non-faith-promoting aspects of church history, nor do they have any interest in learning about it.
Accept, what he said is not truth, it is false doctrine. Joseph’s translation of Abraham, has been proven out over the years to be true. Many many facts Joseph included in Abraham have been found to be exact by archeological finds, names, places, etc that were unknown to the world in Joseph’s time, are verifiable now.
So no, do your reset before you stand in front of a congregation with what your misled buddy tells you, and what you think you know from the internet. It’s called false doctrine.
@@CayceHobie nope. Joseph’s “translation” hasn’t been proven true. The scroll has been recovered, and nobody who knows anything about Egyptian hieroglyphics has come to the conclusion that the scroll supports Joseph’s “translation” of it.
The LDS church doesn't like truth.
Nor does any other church or religion. They are all about control.
No different than most political ideologies. Don't stray from their version of truth.
"I've got kids in there" - It's the kids who need to hear the truth.
The truth should come from the parents mouth not the church or anyone else. As a parent , you should read the King James version. Read it for yourselves and ask Jesus to open your heart and your mind to understand HIS true words. Bless all of you. In JESUS name. Amen. 🙏🦁🐑🕊🙏
@@hugopolito4879 how do you know that anything the bible says is the truth?
I only mentioned the King James version cause it comes close to the Tora ( Tanach). Wich in turn come from the original scrolls. I've read 3 different bibles. And yes they do change some words. But, they all come to the same point (conclusion). GOD , our Father. Jesus ,his son and our Lord and savior. And the Holy Spirit that guides us. Please don't get this the wrong way. But there will be NO excuse for ignorance of God's word. For we know what's right from wrong and God's laws are written in our hearts. Stay blessed. 🙏🦁🐑🕊🙏
@@hugopolito4879 You still haven't explained how you know it's the truth though.
@@danielmoore4024 The book of mormon is mostly fictional characters. Laman and Alma are only a couple of them. Get real.
And this is exactly why whenever someone says that I should return to the LDS church, I reply "It's not for me. There's no place for me." Rinse and repeat.
This man did what I was afraid to do. I silently slipped away and got so much backlash for it. Members coming to my house yelling and crying at me. Family members that will never treat me the same or talk to me. It's hard to watch your community turn against you. But damn freedom feels so much better.
Love all these "Godly" people in the comments calling this man a piece of sh*t... lmao. The hypocrisy is STRONG in this cult.
Stay safe all you exmo people. 🖤
I’ve lived in UT for 14 years as a Christian, there are many loving people here for anyone to have a great community with that are brave enough to leave the LDS church and place God’s loving word ahead of Joesph’s teachings.
We cheer you all on in your Journey!
72 years member. So sad about disingenuous butt holes around you. Only one of my 7 kids “active”
NEVER AND DRAMA about this. Sounds contrived.? Again I’ve NEVER HEARD of ANY backlash whatsoever. I don’t “hang” with the ungodly.
What this “man” did was silly and childish.
@markcavandish1295 What is silly or childish about respectfully speaking to your community about information discovered? The way this bishop responded was silly and childish.
@@olwhatzhirname because that’s not what the congregation is there for brainiac.
It would be like me showing up to a comedy club expecting a lecture on feminine hygiene.
Totally disrespectful
This was so super cringe, but not because of the testimony, but the reaction to it. Why are these people so brainwashed. You can share 1,000 of verifiable FACTS that totally expose Joseph Smith as a lying, cheating con artist, but they don't want to hear it. They have an excuse and cover-up for every fact you can present them with. Why wouldn't you want to learn the truth? Why would you deny Christ's teachings in the Bible to follow some con man and his made up doctrine. Read the Bible and pray, not the Book of Mormon and NOT the Bible that Joseph edited, but the original authentic Bible. Then do your own research and stop drinking the Kool Aid. Consider for 1 second you may be wrong and go from there. Time is running out and your salvation is at stake.
It's all bs 😂 the Bible is ridiculous
@imkolip0ki387
Mainstream interpretation of the Bible is ridiculous & nonsensical.
Want the truth contained within the Bible?
Genesis 1:1 is a CREATION by YHWH & Elohim Family.
Genesis 1:2 is a DESTRUCTION by YHWH
Genesis 1:3 begins a RE-CREATION by the entire Elohim FAMILY, with Jesus in charge.
YHWH works on The Garden of Eden by Himself.
The Definition of Elohim is the first thing Mainstream Christianity gets wrong.
Ignorance multiplies from there.
Noah’s flood was REGIONAL.
Christianity has several things interpreted all wrong but the framework of truth still exists in the Bible.
The guy that approached him at the end was way outta line.
"These kids don't need to know this stuff" You mean the Truth?
dread nes It’s all fairytales.
"Don't talk about Joseph Smiths behavior. I got kids here."
Family Values just like Trumps
@@bobapbob5812 Yes, that is a good high profile example of a dysfunctional crime family, with Narcissists, but also Sociopaths (Donald trump sr and Donald trump junior).
@@jeanine219 I can't sleep at night knowing there's a video of Bidens son engaging with a c h i l d pro s t i tu1e and it's censored each time we post it.
@@jeanine219 Have you not been watching the news? EVERYONE is a pathological narcissistic sociopath.
If we can riot in the streets and attack police officers and rob people's small businesses and get away with it even on a judicial level, that's giving permission to people to behave like wild animals.
There's no longer debate anymore.... it's "I'm going to attack you, destroy you, and ruin your life for not agreeing with my point of view." Entire cities are filled with homeless people without work and strung out on drugs in tent cities due to this kind of sociopathy within our own leadership.
A country's moral structure can only be as sound and sane as it's leadership, but if that leadership wishes to overthrow the very way of life within a country, that's domestic terrorism. Homeland Security is on an awfully long coffee break, I must say.
You attack Trump (perhaps well deserved) but let slide by that everything he was accused of The Democrat Party has been doing. If you're going to have a biased point of view you're dead in the water.
THE WHOLE OF THE LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY PEOPLE WHO NO LONGER LOVE THEIR OWN COUNTRY, AND WHAT IT STOOD FOR.... freedom, sovereignty, and the right to earn a decent living. I hate to break it to you.... but it was The Democrats who ran this country into the ground, and I don't like either party. But let's give the credit where the credit is due, eh?
Homo Sapiens are a barbaric, selfish, destructive species, with few exceptions.... even in so called civilized societies. Just look at how horrifically we treat animals and the earth.
everyone looks so miserable like they don't want to be there
That's because all of them have their undergarments riding up on them...
The whole scene gave me the creeps from the days I was forced to go as a child and teenager. Nothing Christlike about it.
More than likely they don't want to be. They feel like they have to be though since in their eyes it's "the truth..."
That’s because they are missing out on the buffet line at the Golden Corral.
I am so proud of this man. The false doctrine of LDS is one of the most poisonous things I've ever seen in faith. First of all, we are all lambs of God, we are all children, and Jesus loves the little children. He was one of the first to talk to them as they are - and 1 year or 100 is a blink of the eye in the name of the ONE TRUE GOD, the only god. The only one... So praise to the people who practice the way, as he would, and tell truths, no matter how uncomfortable they may be... Secrets are the root of all sin. Scripture supports the notion that all sin will be exposed in the light of the lord. Sacred is never a secret, and Jesus came to finish the laws of the past that excluded us from a Kingdom life, here on earth, as in heaven. I am so proud of the courage I see when people like this testify, even when scrutiny and subjectivity might put them into a place of ridicule. You did well, and you probably felt much like Jesus did, the first time he proclaimed that he is the son of man. There is no other. And no, they are not 3 separate gods. The Father (the Heart), the Son (the hand, or body), and the Spirit, (the mind) are all the same thing. God cut off his hand and put it on earth so that we had a physical manifestation of him. He gave us a pathway to him through the holy cancellor through his spirit, so we could learn to love him, on our own- no restrictions. I love your humility in the process of dealing with these folks. You did so well. God bless you.
Well said. Most importantly, Jesus died on the cross, and the LDS church does not believe he did. I pray for Mormons everyday. I figure that my prayers are bringing one Mormon at a time, to Jesus Christ. He is the way, the Life, and the Truth! No one gets to the Father, but through Jesus Christ! ❤️🙏🏼. People need to get right. Time is running out.
"it's not the right forum"
Would someone please tell me what the right forum is?
"I'll tell me kids about Joseph smith when I'm ready"
Umm yikes; are you that embarrassed by your prophet?
"You cannot say things that are contrary to the church"
You mean, like the things I found in LDS . Org?
Wow. Just wow. And Ben, let's grab drinks soon
"That's not kosher. I have kids here that I'm trying to lie to, and you're coming in here telling the truth. How dare you."
@@danielmoore4024 I don't think you understand. Archeologists have determined that it was a funerary scroll...kind of like how we write an obituary on someone. Only theirs goes into more detail about the life and death of THAT person, and not the history of the people. And it certainly isn't enough info to translate into The Pearl of Great Price.
@@danielmoore4024 I really have no idea what more you want me to say that I haven't already. In other words, Joseph Smith purportedly translated this papyrus into the Pearl of Great Price, which he did not, since it was only a funerary scroll. Ergo...if he didn't translate that, it sheds a bad light on his "translation" of The Book of Mormon. Call me a liar? I'm an ex-Mormon, and know more about it than most, so good luck on that one.
So they are cool with adults knowing about JS's wives but hide it from kids??? That's telling. This was kinda creepy to watch after being out of the church for so long.
The Missionaries told me all about the Founders of the Church having polygamous Marriages that some were temporal and some were solely spiritual, when I was thirteen by myself in 1994. They told me the Truth even though I told them I would talk to my Dad about his Thoughts on the Matter. o-o;;;
"You got kids in there" ....it's church history? I don't understand how a child can be old enough to be baptized, to commit to be a member of the church, yet not old enough to know how the church started?
I noticed that too and found it laughable. It's a full admission that the church is wrong. If they need to hide the truth of the church from kids, then alarm bells should go off in their heads. Something's wrong with that picture. Heck, other religious topics are taught, like Abe agreeing to slaughter his kid because a voice in his head told him to! That's somehow a great story kids are taught to admire, but we can't mention more recent and better documented history?
I love how he says that and bishops are known for sexually harassing children. That guy deserves to burn
9 years old isn't age appropriate to learn about polygamy...
but 8 years old is the age of accountability, and you're expected to be baptized into the church.
yuck
Age accountability and age appropriate topics are a little different. At age 8 & 9 you're working on principles of sharing, compassion, learning to get along. Take King David in the bible. Lessons for a 9 year old would be learning to have faith and trust in God to defeat our Goliaths, that we are all capable.
It's not the right age to go in and say David had many wives, yet he went and committed adultery. If a child brings it up, of course don't ignore it, talk about it. I believe 1 on 1 is the right environment for that as well, where they can feel comfortable saying everything, listened to and give back answers.
Give it about 3 more years, closer to puberty when the opposite sex starts to become of interest, then start talking about chastity, fornication, adultery.
The pulpit is a forum to incite faith and unity, when I feel drained from discussions like all these comments (in particular a friend shared this link and wanted my opinion) I like going back where I'm amongst like minded people and want to let my guard down sort of speak, not get ready for some disgruntled person. From the comments I see here, I'm sure many will disagree, they want "us to see the truth, we see cracks and the truth is in the cracks." I can show a whole other side of incredible miracles, stories, and how ward families have helped carry me through hard times. I feel sorry for those who only look for flaws in others, what a miserable life.
A classroom would be more appropriate for this message.
@TimBrown-uf9lj
Ok...
So you don't have any concerns about the age of accountability being lower than the age kids should learn about the history of the church and the scriptures?
Do you have any kids? I assume not, because you seem to have a very low and very high opinion of 8 year olds at the same time. You seem to think they have the capacity to understand enough about the gospel to make an informed choice about baptism...
But that they are too young to be taught about David's adultery?
That is, they have the capability to analyze and understand, but we should be actively protecting them from some of the most important stories in the Bible?
@@andy4an What is faith to you? How would you define it?
@TimBrown-uf9lj
I've never been to the moon.
So I haven't seen the Apollo debris with my own eyes.
I've never personally done the laser experiment off the triple mirror array left on the moon to confirm it's there.
I don't personally have the technical experience to review the Apollo video footage and confirm it's legit.
I don't personally understand all the engineering involved that would make the trip possible.
But the weight of the evidence that humans actually landed in the moon is sufficiently compelling that I can take the last logical step from "this probably happened" to "this did happen" on faith.
That is also my approach to spiritual faith. It is the bridge between "most compelling logical option" and "I believe this is true"
I just Looked up the definition on Google and the first one is
"The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence"
And the phrase "complete" is really important to me in that definition.
You got some balls bro good for you.Its things like this that mail me farther and farther from religon when im just getting close.
Dawg I kinda wanted him to finish his talk it was mad interesting
Everything he brought up is in the CES letter, you should be able to read it online for free. It’s got 114 (or something like that) questions the LDS/Mormon church can’t answer
Shhhh shhh shhh everything is fine go back to sleep.
you are talking gibberish again.
Pulled those covers. Those people were so blindsided and stupefied.
Let me know how many you want its only copy and paste it can be done fast and acurate
Oh man! That guy has balls. I love it.
"But there's kids!" 😂
Gotta protect the kids from learning about the real life of Joseph Smith!
Oh my hell.
“We’ve got kids in there” we can’t let them hear what a pervert our dear Joe smith is lol!
Mmm no, learn history
@@lalzgarra9493Mmm YES! LEARN HISTORY!
@@Ldydiramey lol antimormoon, relax
@@lalzgarra9493 many of his wives were minors and therefore could not consent to the marriage/relationship. it is a fact that he had 30-40 wives, lds historians will tell you that (it’s in rough stone rolling) the affidavits of his wives indicate that he coerced the women/girls into marriage by basically cornering them. there were daughter-mother pairs, as well as sister pairs. i recommend you read in sacred loneliness by todd compton, he is a member of the lds and a great historian.
@@isabellawilson3948 Yes, that book is excellent.
Person: I have an opinion.
Church: This is not the appropriate venue for that.
The most reprehensible part of this video is hearing parishioners scold him for sharing his testimony. In particular, the guy who doesn't want his kids exposed to questions which might not support his church's doctrine.
If your belief system is based on the truth, then it should encourage skepticism and even direct confrontation from individuals who may not agree with you or your beliefs.
To the person who shared their testimony, I applaud your courage and conviction. It takes a lot of guts to stand up in the face of certainty condemnation, not to mention the very real possibility of being shunned or excommunicated and express your thoughts, concerns and conclusions.
For those who would like to silence individuals who speak out like this, take a moment to consider how this looks to those individuals who you seek to convert.
Z Peterson The guy who doesn't want his kids exposed to questions is a mormon bishop. mormon bishops routinely ask young children as young as 7 and 8 years old these questions. Doesn't that make him a huge hypocrite?
www.theweek.co.uk/94678/do-you-masturbate-and-other-questions-mormon-bishops-urged-to-stop-asking-children
@@2326038 Nope
@@martinandersen9810 Damn Andersen but you're one sick, lying mother. Don't you even have a conscience?
2326038 - I was going to ask the same thing of you but you have proven you care not for truth - but just want to be disgusting - so I have no need to ask.
@@martinandersen9810 They absolutely DO ask these questions. I grew up in the church. I am a witness to this. I was 12 years old. They asked me inappropriate questions i didn't even know what they were talking about. They had to explain things to me. I was traumatized. Especially since I had been raped as a child. Before I left the church my daughter was to go in for her first temple interview. I told the bishop I was staying with her and that they were Not allowed to ask certain things. He told me they don't ask those questions anymore. Then years later she told me they asked her every interview! I was so mad! My husband was supose to make sure the boys wern't asked inappropriate questions. I should not have trusted Any of them.
I wish I would have left the church sooner, but I was so brainwashed it was extreemly difficult, even though I knew in my heart I thought God was awful and didn't really believe. I kept trying to over-ride my doubts.
Thanks to my wonderful kids who helped me out, though it was painful.
I kind of stan jeanine. You could tell she had a lot of adrenaline going in the way her voice was shaking, but the fact that she even wanted to reach out and acknowledge she knew what he was talking about and understood his questions was wholesome, even if she ultimately still believes. It was sweet
@PALI PALI calm down. you're behaving like a mormon now buddeh.
She knows the truth and is afraid to accept it which is understandable,they know nothing different in life and are terrified of the life outside of the church.
"I believe that men and women are completely equal" ... "Please sit down"
Church isn't the place to talk about everyone being equal. That shit is offensive to God.
Well I was always taught but they do opposit that you could talk about anything in church and ask any questions that you wanted to. They didn't specify that there was a time and a place for everything nor that certain questions wouldn't be answered.
I also greed that men and women have a place that gets them best but I do believe that they are equal and I don't see any shame in stating such
Well... everyone isn’t equal otherwise there would be no need for special laws to protect specific people while no specific protections are afforded to others. 🤷🏼♂️
No. He asked him to sit down after he said people should be able to marry who they want.
Haha... In yeah that's like me saying I discriminate but I discriminate against everyone if that would make sense to us.... I like everyone sit down.... How can I do a rap battle with a female but I always need to bake the cake as well?
This man was calm, concise, and respectful. The responses I'm reading from mormons in the comment section you'd think he got up there and cussed everyone out. It's a bad look on your religion when someone has genuine questions and concerns and they are met with insults and gas lighting by believers and leadership. Trying to silence someone for asking questions makes it seem like you have something to hide or that you're afraid of what you might find.
I had this experience when I left the LDS church and came out as gay.
Recently I have come out as a gender conforming gay, and disagree with the indoctrination, sexualization, and medicalization of children.
Sadly, it is. the *SAME EXACT* experience as I did when I left the LDS cult.
The parallels are truly astonishing.
Bishop shouldn't have asked him to participate in church if he didn't mean it. 😂
Not very discerning apparently in vetting this inactive member.
@@paulj.elliott2112 plese eloborate, asking for a freind
It wasn’t a personal invitation. They open the mike to anyone who might want to testify of Jesus Christ. I didn’t hear him testify to his belief in Jesus Christ. It’s a worship service. He wasn’t worshipping or even speaking about Jesus Christ. He had a different agenda
He literally was told that he needs to not tell children about this stuff… because they’re trying to indoctrinate them while they don’t/can’t know any better. Gold tie dude even said it by admitting everyone knows about the secrets as they become adults and can find the information themselves.
This is not okay.
hmm, I do sympathise with your reasoning Debbie but you have got there via a category error. I am a Christian so am not an apologist for Mormonism quite the opposite.
my dad sees me s a child and I am 15! it's so annoying lol. he rightly or wrongly keeps aspects of sexual education and knowledge separate from other things I am taught by those who are not him. someone has to have overall control of a child. logically and rationally it should be the parents since they have invested the most in their child and let's be honest want parent wants to see their child fail or suffer. if I was on a life support machine I would want my dad to be the one with his finger on the switch. If I need advice on sexual matters I would want my dad's advice, not the SRE teachers.
Let us be honest here no one in the Mormon church is advocating the men should act like J smith, they are embarrassed by him. how many secular atheists are the slightest concerned about 1000 of innocent babys aborted every day?
@@sarahclark5447 my concern is that these parents who know about what happens behind the scenes still choose to raise their children in these environments, while working their asses off to keep the secrets secret. It’s just gross to me.
I'm a Christian, and I tell you what there is nothing I am worried about my children hearing about our religion. That's always a red flag for me. If you can't question how are you supposed to find truth?
@@sarahs3988 that's right my sister Christianity, well the Bible, has come under the most scrutiny of any book in history. The problem today is that it's fashionable to have your own religion which ultimately is new ageism.
I have made 3 responses to Debbies last comment to me, but they keep taking them down. Someone doesn't like my scrutiny lol.
Oh no! The children might question their indoctrination! 😂
I love how these members try to shame you... it's so Christ-like of them.
At least 5,000 people have said that since Apr 2019.
@@gunnerlawts I just said it, and lets hope 5000 more say it. It needs to be said
Jesus said many things that were shaming.. to person's...
In fact.,.... Remember when he wrote in the sand..?
Remember many things that he said
Too many sining people.
Without screaming and yelling.
Jesus didn't preach like John hagee.
How professional of you. I hate Cults too. I especially hate the made-up Bullshit of Catholicism and Islam. They made up so much Shit in those Theocratic Lifestyles of Cults they bullshit People into thinking are actual Religions.
If you can teach your children to follow two men and believe what they taught, yet you say your children are not old enough to hear the truths about how these men lived, then you are not following and believing in the two right men.
Perfectly said
The vibe in that room is so creepy. there's something so abnormal.
The creepiest part, is that when you grow up Mormon, that's what "normal" looks like, unfortunately. It's sad, really. So glad I'm not part of that anymore.
that's the normal feel.
Ki Woah was Mormon never was born into it but yes the Mormon lifestyle is mostly brainwashed to the core most members are controlled like robots and have to listen to what there leaders tell them how to drink how to dress how to talk members are good for one thing and it’s family centered other then that it’s all about being brainwashed and controlled.
@@selinaogorman8380 Bullshit.
Yeah..cultish imo
The last thing you want to talk about in church is the truth.
😆 that's true.
That's true of any church. They are all about lies and deception.
The LGBTQ doesn't wanna hear that transwoman are Man
Imagine being offended by someone speaking FACTS about your prophet. “There are kids in there” correct, luckily Joseph smith wasn’t as well or he would have tried to grab one for himself!
LOL!
This guy will never tell his children the truth about the church, or they would leave like the millions that have already left and the millions that are going to leave.
I'm one of them. Ex-Mormon from Germany here.
I was raised in a HUGE Mormon family and I got abused as a youth by a man in the church my family turned their backs on me!!!! I had such a hard time finding my way by myself!!! I cant believe my family goes to church and could leave me on the streets .....
This also happened in my in law family and the parents did not believe the kid.
Butterfly Marci, I'm so, so sorry. That's so sad! I'm proud of you for finding your way, even by yourself 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡.
I'm sorry you had this trauma in your life, and your family ignored you. However, if your experience doesn't make it crystal clear to you (and anyone in the cult w/similar circumstance(s)) nothing will. THE CULT COMES FIRST!! The cult comes before truth, humility, honesty, morality, integrity, decency, acceptance, unbiased judgement, fairness, do unto others...., transparency, being genuine, family, etc. If faced w/the choice of exhibiting any of these behavioral characteristics, or doing exactly what the cult, and fellow cult members expect of any given cultist, you already should know what 98% of Mormons will do.
Took my name off the books a few years back and never looked back. My growth with God has actually gotten stronger since then.
Ask God if it's stronger for him when you finally meet.
The strongest relationship you can have with God is personal not structural. You can never know who god is until you know who you are without him. God will never hate you for loving him.
1st step is to believe in the WORD and the truth in it. "heaven and earth may pass away but my WORDs may never pass away" this one truth makes Joseph Smith the liar.
So wait, this guy is okay lying to his children about their church's founder until it's "age appropriate?"
Yup just like Santa Claus
and letting them get baptised without them knowing all this shit
Yeah see the goal is to get them to attend byu, do a mission, marry in the temple, and make lots of sacred not secret covenants before they find out about that stuff. It’s much harder for them to leave at that point, once their whole life is built around The Church.
@@bnb7094 LOL....yeah, so my reaction to the following was probably amplified due to my late autism diagnosis which none of us had a clue about at the time. But I was too old to still believe in Santa Clause and a neighborhood boy made me really upset because he was trying telling me Santa Clause wasn't REAL. I thought he was just being mean and trying to mess with me. But then my parents told me "the truth," (and no joke,) I didn't speak to either of them for a week. I mean, at my age looking back I find this hilarious, even though I was definitely old enough to remember everything. I felt SO betrayed at the time. I honestly don't know why the memory makes me laugh so much. I mean, I was so distraught I *literally* gave them the silent treatment for a week. Man, maybe I just find it funny that 8 year old me was DEFINITELY putting her foot down on that one......hahahaha..
I’m so glad I got outta that church I was born into. Uggghhh. I’m sorry that you felt you needed to apologize to these zombies for bearing your testimony. Like you, I wish I’d had the courage to bear my TRUE testimony back in the day.
Lol those kids aren’t even listening I can assure you
"We can't be talking about Joseph Smith's actual history, there are kids here!" :D :D :D
Fanny Alger was a kid too.
J Mo 3212 Better not let kids read the Old Testament then! Rape, murder, incest.....
Oh wait, the Bible’s the inerrant and infallible word of a perfect god (asshole)
g cantstansya
As was Helen m Kimball
Kris See The Old Testament is one big gory story of rape, slavery and murder, sometimes both approved by and carried out by the psychopath god Yahweh and some times not🤔.
I admire this guy's bravery and honesty
If you're easily shaken by an opposing view point, you probably don't know the truth yet.
I could say the same thing to many/most who have left the church.
If your “prophet” did stuff that you don’t want your kids to hear about... you should rethink that prophet
No man or woman is devoid of sin. I dont know a single Christian sect that does not teach this. There are age appropriate topics in any conversation. He was having an adult conversation on his religion, with children present...Your the kind of asshole that gleans enjoyment out of telling kids Santa isnt real....
eitoobmiz So, the Bible’s full of nonsense as well.
NICOLEFM Same thing with the Bible, Christianity and religion in general.
@@1974greymalkin How exactly is the topic of plural marriage not age appropriate? He didn't say "JS had sex with multiple little girls", he merely made the claim that JS had more than one wife, some as young as 14. It's interesting that you seem more concerned that little kids are finding out this information, which has been confirmed by the church, and less concerned that JS married little kids?
@@1974greymalkin Uhhh, hate to break it to you but Santa Claus is not real. Your statement could also read: you're the type of person who gleams enjoyment with not telling kids things which are false. Which makes me wonder why anyone gets enjoyment by lying to children?
"I'll teach my kids about Joseph Smith when I want to." aka "I'll teach my kids about the real Joseph Smith AFTER they are fully indoctrinated and feel like they have no other choice but to believe what I believe."
Yup and you know they will also teach their kids all the apologetics behind why Joseph practiced polygamy too. So then their kids will rationalize it in their heads as if it was never wrong.
EITHER YOU'RE RIGHT OR WE'RE RIGHT." = " E.Y.R.O.W.R." 👀 " EYE ROLLER/ EYE ROWER" 😂
No Joseph Smith claims that God missed some things in the original Bible when God doesn't need to add another testament when Jesus said everything that needed to be saved. He's God, he's not going to forget something. That's like saying Joseph Smith is smarter than God. Repent for your sins.
@@TheJordan2698 ,
The sign in front of the house read, "Mormon puppies for sale."
A week later the word, "Mormon" was crossed out.
Why?
The puppies had opened their eyes.
Everyone always has a choice. My parents raised me in the church and when I was 15 I defied all my parents beliefs,, including lds beliefs,, actually all religious beliefs. I literally felt religion had no place in my life. I never had read the bom either. Then after 10 years decided to find out once and for all if the book is true because the LDS church is founded on that one single book... and IT IS. This I found out for certain. So it doesn't matter what history records about J. Smith. He was and is who he claimed because the book is true. It was prophesied that his name would be had for good and bad all over the world and so it is. Each person is challenged to find out if that one book is true or not through sincere prayer. If you sincerely want to know,, it will be revealed to you by the power of the Holy Ghost. I doubt you will ever take that challenge as many don't want to know the truth,, many can't handle the truth. With knowledge comes greater responsibility that many shy away from.
The father using his children as a shield is disgusting. "I don't teach my kids the truth. I teach them about bunnies and sunshine and rainbows" . They should invent a church for these people call it "Happy fluffy fun time church"
I believe this was the perfect forum to bring up his faith journey. I wish someone would've told me the truth at nine years old. I would've saved me a lot of headache later on in my life.
How dare he tell children the truth?!?!
"You think the 5 year olds in there know about that?"
You think its your right to hide it from them?
The guy filming was so patient. Getting chewed up by butthurt mormons is not fun at all, and just for telling the truth about the history.
Obviously he toned it down and tried to make it "kosher" for everyone, that was the least inflammatory thing about Joseph Smiths polygamy I think iv'e ever heard. Forgot just how sensitive Mormons are about that kind of thing.
Everything he said in that talk was pure truth, and nothing else, but that's not what church members want. Just as the one brother said, they get told the truth every other day, what they want is comforting fairy tales.
Shhhh shhh shhh everything is fine go back to sleep.
you are talking gibberish again.
@@truthhurts7646 bet that one killed at the ward bbq buddy
You still talking?
Take your special medicine and go back to sleep everything will be fine
Shhh shhh shhh
sleep well my frutecake
Or' the buggy men will come.
They can't hurt you no more. Go to sleep don't talk
@@truthhurts7646 keep copy pasting the same boring comment to everyone. Maybe you'll be happy one day.
You still talking?
Shut up
Be quiet
Silence
Don't speak
You think you are talking?
in reality you are just saying gibberish
"We've got kids in there you can't say that." That's exactly where you SHOULD share it. Kids need to learn critical thinking, not blind faith. He says he's mad about him talking about plural wives. That's not why he's mad, he's mad because this guys coming in telling his kids unfiltered truth he can't control.
I will give him credit, he was more calm and collected about that than most cult parents would have been.
no it's not have some respect.
My only criticism is that Benjamin apologized. He didn’t say anything wrong and the guy criticizing him for talking about polygamy in front of his kids? Like wtf lol
It's a real dick move to go with malice into a congregation of believers of ANY religion just with the intent to preach to them that their beliefs are false. This was disgusting behavior and the fact that you dont' see that tells me what kind of piece of garbage you must be to interact with. The fact that you delight in destroying beliefs of religious persons is vile. If putting down others brings you joy that tells me everything I need to know and I hope you repent and one day change your disgusting and evil mentality.
@@Vetionarian
Exactly my thoughts. Let the people believe what they wish to believe. That is America after all.
So it's not cool to teach kids the truth about the Church but it's ok for the Bishop to take children behind closed doors to ask them if they Materbait
They ask em that at age 12
@@poshmalosh14 I met with the bishop of my congregation a few times from age 12-18 for casual "How are you doing? Can I help you in any way?" type meetings. Very innocent and I felt comfortable with him. He never asked me questions about masturbating or anything like that. It's really really sad that some bishops ask those questions, but I'd say that the majority of people who grew up in the church did not have that experience. Just letting you know :)
My Bishop years and years ago asked me about masturbation alone in his closed door office. Heck I didn’t even know what he was talking about. He had to tell me what it was! LOL.
This was back in the good old days and the Bishop was always right! Masturbation was just super, duper awful, AWFUL!!! Tie your hands to the bed some GA said. A wise sage that he was! 😉
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“You can’t say things that are contrary”
Literally every person in history trying to control others.
That’s why people always call socialists evil and try to shut them down before they have a chance to express their opinions. Rich people are desperate to make people believe “socialism is when the government does stuff” and hope people assume the government wouldn’t behave differently under the control of the working class. Lol
Welcome to the NWO. "He who does not know the truth is just a fool, but he who knows it, and calls it a lie is a criminal!" _ Bertolt Brecht. The criminals controlling this Brave New World are the foremost propagandists, and are very adept at banning/erasing/outlawing the truth. They only make laws/policy/regulation(s)/standard(s) based on lies.
This guy has GUTS! I could never 😂
Seriously? "We've got kids in there" is not a good enough reason to not bring up these topics. If there is a topic not appropriate for someone of any age, doesn't that mean that there is something wrong with it?
If he was a woman he would have been treated much harsher!
Not exactly
@@daniiiakasha1436 Please explain.
Sunflower 77 Men and women are treated equally shitty when leaving a religion.
One of my male friends was beaten to a pulp. Explain that, feminist
@@daniiiakasha1436 What makes you think I am a feminist?