@@florianneumann9441 in mortal kombat, when they rage quit they kill themselves by snapping their own neck, its called a quitality and you win the match.
@@burni988 hmm, imho it's just the influx of new tekken players that play the noob modes and jump online instantly thinking they are big fish... i mean i played like every tekken (whatever - i was a kid with no money glued to the arcade cabinets in italy watching others play 1+2 for hours - i still call it playing) and first played online with tekken evolution - when i was already used to get my ass beaten ^^ i don't know why at least the disconnection indicator could be implemented in a useful way... make it dissconnects in last 100 games and it's a 1000% better then now
Yeah I main feng and he is getting nerfed but people take online way to seriously, online play should be an environment to learn, and grow your gameplay for when you play people in person
@@amarjo351well tekken is a big game where the tier list changed depending on your skill level. Like DJ is a pretty comfortable top tier but in low and intermediate ranks he's fairly mid.
A friend of mine proposed that instead of the penalties they're considering for future updates for quitters they get branded instead. Like instead of your profile reading "side swiper, respectful, overwhelming" or something you get a "S+ quitter" tag instead. And not only that will not go away that easily but quitting against players with that tag will have no penalty. Basically, give them public shaming.
Quitters have no shame, though. They throw themselves into a *competitive* setting and only seek the personal gain of their rank in every occasion. If that's not possible and they get their head smashed into the concrete, then they'll sabotage the opponent out of spite. For being better than them. If Quittalities isn't enough to keep players honest in MK, then the Tekken devs need to take the kid gloves off with pluggers. I personally think they should match people up by Disconnection rates. It's not enough punishment to simply inform the opponent of a player's disconnection rate. If you have like a 70% DC rate, you should only be matched up against opponents that are just as bad off. Once you get some honest matches under your belt and you're down to 63% DC rate, you should still only be matched up against scumbags that are at a 63% or more disconnection rate. The Tekken devs are likely trying to avoid a situation where they get review bombed(cause it sounds like the pluggers really are that petty), so maybe a match-up system like the one I described will keep them in the game and force them to embrace some good sportsmanship, even if it's more for their benefit than the opponent.
That branding won't do much if we can't see their profile before matching with them. It would be better if they put some sort of label like that during the matchmaking process where you can select to fight them or not.That saves more time.
Eliminator to Garyu was an absolute pain for me. I had 3 people in a row quit out on me on the final match when I was on a promotional match. Only then to be put against someone who completly destroyed me I'm now in Garyu but the people quiting on the third match is really getting painful now.
Maybe you play disgustingly cheap with your character. I’m at Shinryu and nobody really quits on me. I don’t abuse cheap shit. I’m just saying not accusing you
Splatoon already perfected the system against rage quitters. The quitter gets ranked pts penalized and can't play for 5,10,20,30 minutes for quitting and the pts of the other players remain the same though if they quit near the end, the quitter's team get no losing pts except for the quitter itself and the winning team gets full victory pts
No offense but I will always one and done you if you're playing Victor and you're spamming the bugged throw ranked or casual. This is because playing a character that's obviously currently bugged and not working as intended tells me you're not here to play Tekken. You're here to exploit a flaw in the program and have fun at my expense. I will remember your name and always dodge you in the loading screen. I will not try to adapt to a bugged move that will be patched in a month or 2.
Nice video, just recently found your channel. I enjoy the conversations you have here and your point of view keep up the great work. Pluggers really do live a sad existence as well
Cant you how good it feels to watch a vid and hear someone say everything you've been thinking. Not one lie was told in this vid. Keep preaching Mike. And FU*K the rage quitters
My 4 cents. 1- Balance: Harada's team has never been interested in proper balance. They let people have their dumb fun with broken characters and wait for the pro players to define the meta. Only then they made a little few changes, just enough to stop the bigger complains, never more. Then they introduce a new broken DLC char, again... 2- Ranks: Many people play ranked to learn and improve. Ranked make possible to find the opponents with the skill level closer to yours, and gives you a reference to gauge your own growing against the global competitive population. Ranks and point aren't important themselves: they are just a practical tool. 2.5 Ranks & Pluggers: I don't hate pluggers because they take my ranks away. I hate them because plugging upsets a good learning system, carrying bad players up, wasting learning time for people who want to improve and making the whole rank classification less trustworthy. However, just taking their points is not that easy, because accurately pinpoint who disconnects without any doubt is not easy, and giving points to people who faced a plugger could also be used to boost levels. 3- Player1/Player2 "advantage": The classic problem comes when you are crouching, because you blocked something, or because you were forced to crouch somehow. Then you can swiftly "sidestep up" (up~neutral = ssLeft if you are Player1, ssRight if you are Player2), no problem. However, you can't easily "sidestep down". You need to release down fist, and only then you can sidestep. (up~neutral, down~neutral = ssRight if you are Player1, ssLeft if you are Player2) This is much slower and super awkward to do. This problem comes with the design that mixes in the same directional inputs movement in the vertical axis with movement in the horizontal plane. T4 had it solved, but the game had bad luck, huge balancing problems and was rejected by the mainstream players. Then for T5 Bamco decided to backtrack all the innovation, including the free movement design, just out of fear. This problem affect A LOT of characters and moves, and there isn't any reasonable way to fix it, unless they bring back the free movement from T4 (which I would love, but I don't think they will do it ever).
The rage quitting is hard to fix because it's hard to determine which side raged quit. Online games are peer 2 peer. so all namco's online service does is establish a connection between you and another person. They can determine that someone quit, but they can't determined who quit. The only way I could see to fix this is determining if someone intentionally quit the client. But let's say the console just crashed or someone's power went off, or the internet went down? Should they be penalized? This is a common problem with distributed systems
@@richardsejour7731 I think Namco acts as some sort of relay between player A and player B. It basically brokers the connection. I'm pretty sure all fighting games work similarly. VF used relay based code where you connected to different servers. But it's hit or miss because apparently you can't control what server you connect to.
@@hermankermit-warm1121 they can pull the data and maybe get a trend of frequent disconnectors. They can do this via datelining afterwards, but they can't do it real time. At least I don't think it can be done
@MrBranh0913 no I think you're correct about real time. But they can pull the data, the talk is they want to actually issue bans for pluggers but because that can infringe on actual laws they're having to check they won't get sued for banning. I don't play SF, but I've heard a little about some yellow card system they have leading to time bans. It was definitely piss poor to not have a system in place, Harrada and Co should live in reality and realise most people just want to abuse every possible way to falsely increase their rank - which is hilarious coz, fun fact, your rank don't mean shit and all you end up doing is getting to a level you're nowhere near good enough and get destroyed so regularly you quit the game coz for most of these dimwits they have literally zero fundamentals and understanding of 3D fighters. It is what it is, I'm just glad I only have to wade through scrubs with new characters I want to try out, it must be torture for people actually trying to get legit better.
Point about king - people say he's technical in very much a similar way that Bryan is, I.E it's technical at a high level, which is to say at a level most people won't play. That is because his grab mixup only really works if you can mask the inputs, so his wavedash (that is the hardest wave dash in the game) and buffering become critical to hiding his inputs. Not to mention that getting consistent giant swings, musclebusters, wizards etc. is definitely challenging (especially if you're going for a range 0 wizard). His optimal combo routes used to also be tough in Tekken 7, and even tougher in T6 and TTT2 where you had to do a true IWR grab to end combos. He is simpler than he has been before due to the UF 3+4 and the heat charge RKO nonsense, but there is still meat to king. A part of his technical reputation is also in misconception with his previous iterations as well, which I touched upon briefly. I wouldn't say King is near Mishima level or Nina difficulty, but he has tech that needs to be really practiced.
I would say try playing king against someone who can break throws. At that point the level of mind games and faking inputs is crazy, and his tools are simply not as good compared to the other top tiers. You are right though the changes they gave him in 8 streamlined the gameplay for king a lot before you start to get to a pretty high rank or play in tournament. I don't think at tournament level he is that far behind the Mishima's in difficulty simply because they can rely on things like flash punch to guarantee their win condition. where as with king you got to start doing shit like IWR Giant swing to mix peoples techs.
out of 40+ potential wins today, more than 25 were plugged. i lost multiple streaks, i lost points, i lost the will to keep going. right now, there is absolutely no joy in playing tekken for me. and i won't even mention the people playing on weak computers forcing you into a slideshow.
If theyre going to penalize pluggers, they need to fix the game. The online disconnects mid-match more times than you think, typically after lagging for a round. Hell, polaris error crashes the entire game somewhat often! I dont want to be seen as a plugger when I am not. I know for a fact it isnt just me either...
I agree as much as I like the game. Shit hell of broken, unbalanced, and lots of other bs. Plugging is disgusting really ruin the game in a major way. Emergency patch needed. At less allow us to get the points and up promotion. Mike 💯 percent agree with you
From what I gathered by playing point distribution depends on a few factors: you and your opponent’s win streak, the difference in your rank, and stats (whether you’re slated to win or lose). Like, if you’re a higher rank or have higher stats than your opponent and lose you’ll lose a lot of points, and if you’re lower but win you win more points. If you end a streak it seems to give you a lot more points: one time I lost to a guy and that put him on a 10 game win streak but when we rematched, despite losing points, I was given a promotional chance. So I believe that plays some big part in it
I believe the "legality" of banning players is a bit of a misdirect from Harada and Murray. They're never going to ban TEKKEN SHOP spenders merely for rage quitting matches. No shot.
It could be a misdirect but there are countries out there with extremely weird laws that actually do tie game companies hands. But we won’t know for sure sadly
@@vietnamsemonky4082 Well yeah, if someone is dropping a 50 spot on Tekken Coins every month and then arbitrarily gets banned, that's an easier legal claim for that particular user to raise.
You can only sidestep up out of crouch and sidestepping up translates to opposite directions depending on player 1 or 2 side: P1 sidstep up = SSL P2 sidestep up = SSR Since some moves have to be stepped or walked into a specific direction, you might not be able to step that way from a crouching position. That's the explanation for that. Good player's who know that and whose character has moves that force crouch can abuse that.
I think the whole heat system is ridiculous the fact that it's easy to access and the heat smash leaves you on + should be changed and made to be more like double-edge sword
Lost a 14 game win streak in the first week of Tekken 8 to a plugger. And since I am in purple ranks I have been getting plugged on an absurd amount. Currently at battle ruler. And I hope this next Tekken update will either remove the pluggers from blue ranks or make them afraid to plug on me. They have been holding me back long enough. Some even plug after losing 2 rounds when they get perfected and dont even wait for the end of the third round. So many bitches in blue rank are undeserving of those ranks. And I feel you: I had stopped playing ranked for a week after I had a session of 5 pluggers one day and the next day the same guy pluggin on me twice in a row. It just felt absolutely pointless to play ranked.
Yeah, and it shows in his win percentages. It's not that Feng players are better than everyone else, the character is just busted. I hope he gets nerfed into the ground. I actually prefer fighting Victor over him.
@@theopulentone1650 His neutral is insanely good, especially ws1, which is the best neutral skip in the game in my opinion. In Tekken 7 season 1, the character had the same strenghts but he had low combo potential. And then, they gave him tools to do combo as good as the others. So he's basically good at everything now (and better than the others in 8 because of b1). I'm struggling to find a "honest character" to play. I tried Leo, Lili and Alisa but still... Everything seems pretty broken to me in this game.
i play rank not so much to rank up but because I get more players equal to me to play against. For some reason in quick matches, it's all over the place for me with my opponents. since T1 I have played and still consider myself a scrub because I do not lab or take the time to take my learning further. win or lose the game is just too addicting to my hands and i am content whether i win or lose because the main focus for me is being able to play. it is frustrating when i lose but not as much as not playing lol and yeah, quitting when you are losing just makes no sense to me especially when not playing in rank!
Mike, the side step inconsistency is probably caused by the “while rising” state. This doesn’t happen in Virtual Fighter where side steps are very consistent. VF also doesn’t have that while rising state. Or it could be tracking issues, hitboxes, etc. no way to tell at this point.
Dang, I feel lucky in comparison to your situation. I climbed from 2nd Dan to Shinryu in a couple of 2 hour sessions and only had one person plug on me. I do personally consider it a win if someone rages on me so I do think we should get the points but yeah, I care more about improving than I do ranking up fast
As someone that Mains Raven I agree 100% with the Drag and balance problem. But where tekken is unique people accepted that some characters were a little OD in theyre own respects. The caveat is that we didnt mind because to master these characters to gain these powers were pretty high in general. The caracters that were easy were also easy to read and counter with enough knowledge. The easy characters were hard in the sense that you had to play genuine Tekken to get wins I.E. Jack, Kazuya, Asuka, Jin etc. The characters in T8 that are O.D. are not only powerful but easy to grasp in general. As with me picking Raven, in order to even play the character correctly and reap my generic rewards I have to learn crouch cancels and crouch dashes. Also Yes It sucks losing 1 round and thus 600 points. Winning the next game and getting 0 points. And then that very same person leave and not rematch. Im going to start a death note on YT for these scum bags.
Honey moon phase is ending and finally seeing critiques of Tekken. This is good. Don't like seeing people glorifying companies like they were their friends.
I'm not even an online player and I follow your channel. I guess because your takes on the online scene give a decent perspective that I otherwise wouldn't care about in general lol.
You're not alone in the experience you've had. I remember when I was in Red Ranks, I caught in the same loop; win, promotion chance, plug, lose, and back again. Lose 11 win streak cos of plugging. Continuing sessions can be deflating, especially if you're enjoying the game whether you win or lose. I reached Mighty Ruler a few days ago and want to continue my rank journey, but I already know the plugging is going to get worse.
Man I just made it to red rank as well. I just hope I don't experience that haha. I've only experienced it like once or twice. For now haha. I only notice it happens in the higher elos. Out of the blue but would you like to play against each other sometimes?
In addition to getting your points for your opponent quiting, i think a feature along the lines of "committed to the set" would be cool. What it would do is reward "commited" players with more points on wins and maybe even bonus points for winning the set. "Commited" players are LOCKED into full ranked sets (currently ft2). To make up for the bonus win/set win points, players who commit but still leave the set would lose all win points and additional points for being unable to finish the set. This would be a ranked matchmaking setting that you opt in for. Regardless of my own personal opinion, I think players should be allowed to play the game howeever they choose to as long as its an intended part of the game, and unfortunately the 2 easiest things to do in tkn ranked rn is to quit and or one and done. If they arent going to punish these players, they should atleast reward players for putting up with them 👍🏽 I think this is sound solution but i havent put much thought into yet. Players who dont opt in wouldnt be at disadvantage because they can cherry pick wins and avoid players they think would beat them
Reina is super hard at high level. Take a look how many Reinas are God of Destruction. You scrubs are just talking strings and bs you can't use against decent players.
@@desgyulabalogh3429 Ow awesome didn't know that. Damn I should've known based on the lines In his face. It really Is Its own art style. Retsu kaioh Is pretty goated....Except for that pickle fight that was kinda embarrassing ngl
100% agree on getting rewarded with a W against pluggers. I almost hit Red but ultimately got knocked down to Destroyer bc I got plugged on my promo match then proceeded to hit a losing streak smh
Azucena is the kryptonite against anyone who uses a lot of high attacks. her fastest punish is a high that can’t be punished and she ducks while she does it. she also has low grab and a two part launcher which I hate so much.
Rage Quitting in T7 is less of an issue because you can see their leave percentage. If someone has a long win streak but has a huge leave percentage, then with that information you can easily tell yourself to close your game and dodge his obviously plugging ass. Not sure why that isn't in here.
i come back to this fucking vidoe every time i make someone rage quit initially i always burst out laughing when it happens but then i realize im not getting credit for it. and that pisses me off man
The problem with the one and done is that Tekken is a knowledge check game where certain characters are really strong in a one-off, especially if you're not too into the match up. I think Bo3 should be enforced as the only available ranked format and that if you plug you lose both matches. When they say that they will be banning people, I honestly don't believe them and I find it an idiotic solution which will reduce the amount of players.
I’ve been playing Tekken for a long time, but started taking seriously on ranked. Even when I lose I get frustrated but it doesn’t stop me from trying to improve. That said the matches where I have a huge advantage only to be plugged makes me want to rip my hair out of my head.
@@hermankermit-warm1121 lol your funny I just have issues and I understand myself so I just stop playing don’t be an ass cuz you make games your life Plus I just get off to save money, who wants to buy a new controller every 2 weeks? All because I’m mad at a game makes zero sense when I can just quit and let the match end.
@Datat0 games are my life? But you're so chill you play casual and need to rage quit coz you lost a match? Making loads of sense here I see.🤡 maybe play Minecraft or Roblox? Or maybe you'll get pissy playing them as well hahaha. Like I say, the FGC is 80% fragile males, you'll fit right in with most of them.
Rage quitting is so obnoxious.. But as for "one and done"... Yeah if I'm getting wiped, I'm not playing a rematch. Why would I lose points on a fight I know I'm going to lose? Fuck that man
rematching and finding a way to deal with your opponents play style or character will help you out on the long run, how will you defeat a Tekken King Azucena if you can't beat a Garyu one also sometimes you just can't adapt in a single game, i find myself winning rematches more than i win initial encounters. you do you it is your right to not rematch but just saying
I used to struggle against king he's throws are really frustrating and I can't play when I'm angry so I would get beaten easily. But after alot of rematchs and learning he's patterns he's quite predictably and beatable however if i win the first set then I don't rematch anymore so I agree with both side's of the argument as long as knowone is being a bitch and rage quiting
If you chain loose then you have nothing to do in your current rank Stfu and get the L and demotion if you deserve it. That's what I keep saying. Character who carry people + how fast you rank up. Some people are not ment to get high rank so fast. They eat that wall at 50000 mile/h and start to cherry pick their rematch. Little PP mentality
Fair fair.. I'll admit. I've seen the spike in rage quitting from T7 to T8 and immediately labelled these people as Fortnite players 😂 it could very well be the veterans (which leaves me no hope).
Jesus Christ lol. You see…this right here is exactly why I don’t play online anymore. This could’ve been me doing a rant like this. Actually I was already you making rants like this…back in Guilty Gear and back in Street Fighter 6. The difference in Tekken is that I have modes I can enjoy offline so there is no more of this fuckery with fraudulent-bitch-made-players. But goddamn man I’m sorry you have to go thru this fuckery. I’m right there with you in agreement. I hope this gets fixed as well. I’m probably still not gonna play online lol I only play with friends but yeah hopefully this gets fixed. Love your vids keep doing what you’re doing. God bless.
This is what happens when your game is mainstream succesful, youre going to get tonnes of try hards from lower skill games like COD and Fifa who will do anything to win. Same thing happped back in 2009 with SF4, so many new players mashing DP in lag with Flowchart ken and ragequitting 😅
The one and done is very annoying but I can also understand, if you get completely bodied why would you stay? I’ve beaten people who are clearly not the same level as me and when I 1 and done I don’t care as I understand why they leave
Bare in mind, I'm in Fujin, and came across a tekken king feng, it was already suspect because he didn't seem that good, and he literally plugged on my promo, safe to say he's not meant to be in those ranks.
A good idea would be no one knows if the match is a promotion match. Since the dawn of online play, quitters have ALWAYS been an issue. If you give the person who does not quit the win, tmit will become something abuseable. Taking away your streak is wrong unless you lose. One and done is no big deal. There are some matches I can't stand playing. They get their one match, and I move on. I definitely feel you on the rage quits. There is just not an effective way to fix it. I think you rage out and you cannot play ranked for x amount of time depending on how many times you have done it.
Finally!!! Someone that understands what I'm going thru😭 I'm a Reina main myself and Its always King, Dragonuv, Feng, Devil Jin, Jun and also Victor that ppl ONLY play just because they're simply"broken" smh. Like literally is there no more other characters in the game? Why not use a character that ur personally comfortable with? And lab with them see what u can cook up. But I TOTALLY agree with u this game NEEDS to be balanced and I mean asap
I’ve been maining Heihachi since tekken and king since tekken 3, worked out his chain throw combo before you could just go online and have it shown to you I love both of them, but not because of just picking an easy character to use or some class as broken, had a little dabble with Jin and Paul over the years but king is my boy not everyone picks a character for the higher chance of an easy win I would pick and learn Devil Jin or Dragonuv if that was the case.
I dont think I'll ever understand the entitlement of thinking someone has to play a set with you, even if they have no interest in doing so. Some characters are just not fun to play against. Ill finish the match but if your character/ playstyle is annoying im not rematching you, regardless if i won or loss.
The current system is inexcusable, but 7 was absolutely worse. Even at the end state of the game, in emperor ranks, you would still get players who would just reload their rank (on pc). It was so absurd as you would demote them, and then a game or two later match with them and they're right back at their originial rank.
I agree they should award people that have been plugged on the win that way no one would care if they rage quit as it does not affect them (also the way you rank up in itself is broken as fuck)
Tekken newbie here, as i’m still learning the basics in the low ranks (Eliminator) I might not have entered plug city just yet. Can anyone point out when this shitty behavior becomes common? For now I’m having a pretty positive experience online
fight night champion had a system where everyone starts off with a 0 on their profile and the more you quit the higher it goes and they start matching you with people that have similar quit percentage LOOOL and if you behave long enough it will slowly go down..........the point is everyone can see it before fighting them and in turn makes it harder for them to get matches
Ay hollow are you going to cover the flack that knee is getting for wanting ling xioyu nerfs? You mentioned wanting some characters nerfed and im wondering what your thoughts are with knee wanting xioyu nerfed
Yeah I had a 20 win streak in ranked and got rage quitted on and lost my win streak. Then if I lose to a higher rank, then I lose a ton of points, yet if I defeat the same higher rank, I don’t gain as many points as I would have lost. I don’t understand the point distribution either and I recently had 3 rage quits in a row which took a few promotions away from me.
Altough u are right is many cases talking about ur main lightly cuz hes ur main is hypocritical af lmao. Dragunov is completly broken like many others but Feng is still the most broken + the most annoying to fight against
ill be the 1st to say it. tekken 8 needs DOA6 holds system. its the only feasible way to guard against the hyper-aggressiveness within. normal block? chip damage everywhere, heat? chip. low parry? the timings and its a low. this game is FUCCED!
As a person who don't really like playing online, let alone ranked and as someone who like to collect trophies, this would put me off from online even more than what I already feel about playing online. I think they need to update it and fix the ranked mode and make it less detrimental for people who win the match because their opponents decides to quite.
Man you reminded me of those days when I used play Usf4 with my Brother and uncle I tended to play ranked and ACTUALLY learned how to play but everytime I fought them and they started losing very bad they’d quit mid match in person and I’m just sitting there like well what was the point in playing 😭😭😭😭
I highly doubt rage quitters are a product of SF6 players playing Tekken. Having 100s of hours between PC and PS5 I've encountered exactly one in all that time. How does Tekken implement who faces who in rank? Is there a placement system? Does the game ask you your skill level before ranking? One of the things SF6 does exceptionally well is initially ranking after placements and generally keeping people in the rank they belong. All throughout reddit there are folks saying this is my first fighting game, finally made it to platinum after 7 months or something. No way to quantify of course but there generally seems to be less frustration in SF6 rank because there is a general feeling of progressing and getting better. Idk I don't have Tekken experience but this does seem unique to this game and not a SF6 thing.
I’m not the biggest fan of one and done players who don’t play the two of three but I do understand, there’s just times when the match quality is so low I just want to get out after one win or loss, like for example I’m a GGS fan and recently somehow I ended up in a match with 725 ms and 15 fucking frames of rollback, both of us were essentially rocking a picture book and after one game I understandably dipped, other times if the match is an absolute massacre I can see one side leaving after one game, or what if a player is cheating (in reality the odds are very low but it does happen), I certainly believe that best two of three is the way to go but it think that being able to one and done should be atleast possible due to the small amount of times that it’s needed, as long as a player finishes the match I can atleast respect that
2 things, I don’t care much about my rank or points because I’m trying to improve. Not much to improve on if I’m only playing quick matches as people take ranked seriously. So to give you a different perspective I’m playing now to climb later. Also Feng is pretty good man, not as bullshit as Jun or Drag, but he has some pretty dumb stuff for sure, can’t downplay that.
Knee complained about Xiaoyu recently. Do you think his complaints are valid? Another channel I watch speculated that Knee is just trying to get her nerfed so Arslan Ash has less to work with since he's maining her. EDIT: As for ranked, to help cut down on ragequitting, points should be taken before the match from each player, like inserting a quarter at the arcade. Whomever wins gets their points back plus their opponent's. If someone pulls/dashboards/legitimately loses connection, they forfeit the match, other player "wins" and gets the points. Players who pull/dashboard/lose connection on ranked matches often are banned from offline in increasing increments. First two times no penalty. Third time one hour, then two, then five, then 24, where it stays so each time they pull, 24 hour ban. Not permanent, but enough to annoy them as they annoy legitimate players. Still a best of three set, with the option to "One and Done"(I will take someone conceding defeat after getting whooped in one match over them starting a second and pullling), but at least the points the winner deserves aren't stolen.
I gained 1,500 points off a win. I don't know how. Maybe because I was on a lose streak back into Eliminator and I beat a Shinryu player. That's just speculation. Af far as one and done: I do it. Like, for whatever reason yesterday it was Hworang on repeat. I don't want to play the same character in the limited time I have to learn something. Or if I play a one trick pony, I'd rather just back out and watch the replay to learn what I need. I'm not gonna pull my hair out trying to randomly find a solution while I get mopped.
I've never rage quit/pulled the plug, but I have 100% done one and dones. Alotbof the time though it's not outbof rage but rather, I have no chance I'm not gonna tank my rank cuz I know I'm gonna lose again.
@@RealMikeHollow I've been thinking about this topic in the back of my mind since your video. A solution is to time the RQers. They pull the plug, then go on timeout for some time. The more they RQ, the more they wait. Smash bros has this system... But smash internet is really bad... I recently retired playing fighters after more than a decade. Take it from old and crispy, it may be time to move on legit.
I didnt realize I wasnt getting my points and it was messing up my win streak when people quit. That is some old BS. Like you said "Just give me my d*** points and promotions"!
Bo3 should be mandatory in ranked, plugging should be against ToS and therefore bannable (with appeal) based upon match data, DC rate and reports. Drag, Xiaoyu, Feng, King and Jun need some balancing, some moves need to be less oppresively unanswerable (Azucena's WR3,4 anyone?) and as a personal note, Tekken literally tells you when a PC player is dropping frames in matcg via the icon, such players should be flagged at match acceptance screen or have reduced penalties for losing against them because there are so many PC players chugging along in games that feel like 2-3 bar wireless matches. Optimisation or otherwise, I shouldnt be disadvantaged by their rig.
I'm not super concerned about my rank, and I exclusively play ranked in this game (haven't even touched the story or stepped into a player match) for one simple reason: playing opponents more or less at my skill level. Of course ranking up feels nice, but at the same time that means I got either lucky fighting a few weaker opponents in a row and am about to get bodied, or I actually improved and can fight better players. Highest I got is only Tenryu, and maybe I'm extremely lucky or people aren't as tryhard at these lower ranks, but in my 60 hours of playtimes I was plugged on three times in ~200 matches.
If they can’t ban quitters then they should match up with other quitters instead. I think GTA Online and COD has done this with cheaters fighting other cheaters 😭😂
Wait, you're kidding me? People are doing that? Rage quitting on promo matches and sending messages about you not getting a promotion on them? The hell? And nothing negative happens to these people for quitting? This needs to be fixed. Those like yourself who want to play and stay for the full sets shouldn't be punished for the actions of others. And for some reason I want to say it's not Tekken vets doing this, it's most likely the new comers to Tekken. Honestly, this is giving me Kombat League vibes ... FFS.
Drag, Jun, DJ, should be a priority to bamco. Straight up oppressive AF. Can know the match up and still can’t do shit about the pressure. Jun is the worst because huge damage, combo scaling is fucking busted, easy af to use, and huge amount of safe moves. Straight up boss character but people are allowed to use her online lol 😂
I will admit I have plugged once. It was against this Law player, he was waaaay better than me, got matched up against him 5 times. He teabagged me after every round and I just Alt F4’d.
King is only snapped against new players or players who don’t want to break grabs. Half his kit is grabbing you. And they’re not hard to break. Unless you’re mashing
Plugging has been an issue for years in Tekken and I still can't believe that it hasn't been sorted out by the release of 8. Absolute madness that this is still an issue and nothing has been done before the game hit the public. And like you and many others have said: this isn't hurting the one that is manipulating the game to their advantage, but the honest player that wants to play the game like it is intended to. And while One and Dones are a problem in its own, I find winquitters even worse. The ones that leave if they lost a match to you but win in the rematch without finishing the set. They have become a lot more ever since the announcement that Pluggers will be banned if legalities are sorted out. Its so wild to me that people are that obsessed with how they appear online these days. If you are in a low rank there is nothing wrong with that, I for crying out loud am still in Orange Ranks because I got shat on in the red ranks after one promotion. Thats just how it works and you don't see me complain about the game being to hard. I just need to hit the practice and lab.
Maybe this is only happening in higher ranks? Cause I'm in low ranks rn and haven't come across any it. I got the game late and have been sort of easily swimming into red ranks rn without any rage quitters. It must be frustrating for the newer players, though, so i feel a bit guilty about taking their points. Maybe I'll start experiencing it once i hit purple ranks. Also, I think the reason there's such a huge pandemic of quitters is because the majority are mk casuals. The pluggers that got top ranks were always there but were annoying either way since they knew how to abuse the system. That has always been an issue, and it's one of my biggest issues with the tekken team. But the pluggers that leave out of frustration are a new thing with the number of people playing. And i hate to say it, but it's reminiscent of mk pluggers. Not to say every mk player is a plugger, but plugging has never at the forefront of tekken issues until now, when many mk fans left their game for tekken. And in my experience, I've never so many rage quitters than when i played a nethertrealm game.
People rage quit in MK1 all the time but no one really cares cause you get the quitality and the points... its such an easy fix.
What’s a quitality? Sounds fun
@@florianneumann9441 in mortal kombat, when they rage quit they kill themselves by snapping their own neck, its called a quitality and you win the match.
@@NarcoticDimensionand it’s funny asf
Not an MK player but as an outsider hearing all the drama with the franchise, that sounds like the one thing MK got right.
@@burni988 hmm, imho it's just the influx of new tekken players that play the noob modes and jump online instantly thinking they are big fish... i mean i played like every tekken (whatever - i was a kid with no money glued to the arcade cabinets in italy watching others play 1+2 for hours - i still call it playing) and first played online with tekken evolution - when i was already used to get my ass beaten ^^ i don't know why at least the disconnection indicator could be implemented in a useful way... make it dissconnects in last 100 games and it's a 1000% better then now
I’ve probably played around 50 ranked Tekken matches. I’ve probably won 10, and lost 40. I just started playing the game, and I’ve never raged.
More people should be like you. I hope you see improvement quickly
Same. I'm still in yellow ranks and seeing blue ranks plugging in Mikes videos is mind boggling to me.
I hope you can keep that strong mental. It's the best way to play the game.
@@HeelBubz I appreciate that man. Thanks
@@burni988 yeah, I’m doing great. I beat a fujin yoshi today somehow. I was so happy.
We can't talk about powerful characters if you're playing feng. He's arguably top 5
Bro, there's like 8 characters that are top 5.
@@amarjo351 could just call it SS+ tier or god tier at that point
Yeah I main feng and he is getting nerfed but people take online way to seriously, online play should be an environment to learn, and grow your gameplay for when you play people in person
@@amarjo351well tekken is a big game where the tier list changed depending on your skill level. Like DJ is a pretty comfortable top tier but in low and intermediate ranks he's fairly mid.
@@amarjo351realest comment.
I lost a 37 game streak to plugging :(
you went 37 games in a row without fighting a plugger? thats actually more amazing than a 37 win streak LOL
@@RuinHD hmm - first 5 games in a session 2 pluggers - none for the other 20 games. It's really just though luck
I lost a 60 win streak
A friend of mine proposed that instead of the penalties they're considering for future updates for quitters they get branded instead. Like instead of your profile reading "side swiper, respectful, overwhelming" or something you get a "S+ quitter" tag instead. And not only that will not go away that easily but quitting against players with that tag will have no penalty. Basically, give them public shaming.
Quitters have no shame, though. They throw themselves into a *competitive* setting and only seek the personal gain of their rank in every occasion. If that's not possible and they get their head smashed into the concrete, then they'll sabotage the opponent out of spite. For being better than them. If Quittalities isn't enough to keep players honest in MK, then the Tekken devs need to take the kid gloves off with pluggers. I personally think they should match people up by Disconnection rates. It's not enough punishment to simply inform the opponent of a player's disconnection rate. If you have like a 70% DC rate, you should only be matched up against opponents that are just as bad off. Once you get some honest matches under your belt and you're down to 63% DC rate, you should still only be matched up against scumbags that are at a 63% or more disconnection rate. The Tekken devs are likely trying to avoid a situation where they get review bombed(cause it sounds like the pluggers really are that petty), so maybe a match-up system like the one I described will keep them in the game and force them to embrace some good sportsmanship, even if it's more for their benefit than the opponent.
But that won't really do anything, just being shamed won't make them NOT ragequit.
That branding won't do much if we can't see their profile before matching with them. It would be better if they put some sort of label like that during the matchmaking process where you can select to fight them or not.That saves more time.
@@phelps9112to a certain extent it’s allowing you to quit at any time tho
I, an obsessive completionist, quitting my matches to get the exclusive "S+ rage quitter" tag
Low Tier God: 👀
TeryonTheHuman: 👀
DSP: snort
Funny I managed to beat the dog shit out of him without him plugging. Blocked of course though.
6ARAKIN: (oh shit i liked pdf content on tiktok)
Eliminator to Garyu was an absolute pain for me. I had 3 people in a row quit out on me on the final match when I was on a promotional match. Only then to be put against someone who completly destroyed me
I'm now in Garyu but the people quiting on the third match is really getting painful now.
Maybe you play disgustingly cheap with your character. I’m at Shinryu and nobody really quits on me. I don’t abuse cheap shit. I’m just saying not accusing you
@@Malugakoit's not an excuse mate. People need to learn to block stuff it's part of the game
@@Malugakoimagine calling the tools your character has cheap shit lol. when there’s a training mode that gives you every tool and way to learn
@@slijefe8804 well you just made something up I never said so wtf is this comment of you haha
@@Malugako “maybe you play disgustingly cheap with your character “ this you ?? or am i tripping LMAO
Splatoon already perfected the system against rage quitters. The quitter gets ranked pts penalized and can't play for 5,10,20,30 minutes for quitting and the pts of the other players remain the same though if they quit near the end, the quitter's team get no losing pts except for the quitter itself and the winning team gets full victory pts
This is easier in team games because I believe everyone joins a lobby. So it's easier to see who left the lobby.
No offense but I will always one and done you if you're playing Victor and you're spamming the bugged throw ranked or casual. This is because playing a character that's obviously currently bugged and not working as intended tells me you're not here to play Tekken. You're here to exploit a flaw in the program and have fun at my expense. I will remember your name and always dodge you in the loading screen. I will not try to adapt to a bugged move that will be patched in a month or 2.
Thats fair
Yeah, super bullshit, I’ve lost way too many times to it
Nice video, just recently found your channel. I enjoy the conversations you have here and your point of view keep up the great work. Pluggers really do live a sad existence as well
Mike Hollow this is gonna be your year dude all your content has been on point. I learned a lot here.
Thank you, man. That's very kind of you 🙏🏾
Sheet, that's just more content for me lol
Cant you how good it feels to watch a vid and hear someone say everything you've been thinking.
Not one lie was told in this vid. Keep preaching Mike. And FU*K the rage quitters
The going gym instead of playing tekken line killed me LOOOL
The worst part is that it doesn’t stop at ranked. They’ll plug player and quick matches as well. Like what’s the point?
My 4 cents.
1- Balance: Harada's team has never been interested in proper balance. They let people have their dumb fun with broken characters and wait for the pro players to define the meta. Only then they made a little few changes, just enough to stop the bigger complains, never more. Then they introduce a new broken DLC char, again...
2- Ranks: Many people play ranked to learn and improve. Ranked make possible to find the opponents with the skill level closer to yours, and gives you a reference to gauge your own growing against the global competitive population. Ranks and point aren't important themselves: they are just a practical tool.
2.5 Ranks & Pluggers: I don't hate pluggers because they take my ranks away. I hate them because plugging upsets a good learning system, carrying bad players up, wasting learning time for people who want to improve and making the whole rank classification less trustworthy. However, just taking their points is not that easy, because accurately pinpoint who disconnects without any doubt is not easy, and giving points to people who faced a plugger could also be used to boost levels.
3- Player1/Player2 "advantage": The classic problem comes when you are crouching, because you blocked something, or because you were forced to crouch somehow. Then you can swiftly "sidestep up" (up~neutral = ssLeft if you are Player1, ssRight if you are Player2), no problem. However, you can't easily "sidestep down". You need to release down fist, and only then you can sidestep. (up~neutral, down~neutral = ssRight if you are Player1, ssLeft if you are Player2) This is much slower and super awkward to do. This problem comes with the design that mixes in the same directional inputs movement in the vertical axis with movement in the horizontal plane. T4 had it solved, but the game had bad luck, huge balancing problems and was rejected by the mainstream players. Then for T5 Bamco decided to backtrack all the innovation, including the free movement design, just out of fear. This problem affect A LOT of characters and moves, and there isn't any reasonable way to fix it, unless they bring back the free movement from T4 (which I would love, but I don't think they will do it ever).
The rage quitting is hard to fix because it's hard to determine which side raged quit. Online games are peer 2 peer. so all namco's online service does is establish a connection between you and another person. They can determine that someone quit, but they can't determined who quit. The only way I could see to fix this is determining if someone intentionally quit the client. But let's say the console just crashed or someone's power went off, or the internet went down? Should they be penalized? This is a common problem with distributed systems
Funny, Namco say they have a list of players, they very much do know.
@richardsejour7731 most if not all fighting games are peer to peer
@@richardsejour7731 I think Namco acts as some sort of relay between player A and player B. It basically brokers the connection. I'm pretty sure all fighting games work similarly. VF used relay based code where you connected to different servers. But it's hit or miss because apparently you can't control what server you connect to.
@@hermankermit-warm1121 they can pull the data and maybe get a trend of frequent disconnectors. They can do this via datelining afterwards, but they can't do it real time. At least I don't think it can be done
@MrBranh0913 no I think you're correct about real time. But they can pull the data, the talk is they want to actually issue bans for pluggers but because that can infringe on actual laws they're having to check they won't get sued for banning. I don't play SF, but I've heard a little about some yellow card system they have leading to time bans. It was definitely piss poor to not have a system in place, Harrada and Co should live in reality and realise most people just want to abuse every possible way to falsely increase their rank - which is hilarious coz, fun fact, your rank don't mean shit and all you end up doing is getting to a level you're nowhere near good enough and get destroyed so regularly you quit the game coz for most of these dimwits they have literally zero fundamentals and understanding of 3D fighters. It is what it is, I'm just glad I only have to wade through scrubs with new characters I want to try out, it must be torture for people actually trying to get legit better.
The demon back!!! 👀
😂😂😂 bro i felt this in my soul. You sound exactly like me
Point about king - people say he's technical in very much a similar way that Bryan is, I.E it's technical at a high level, which is to say at a level most people won't play. That is because his grab mixup only really works if you can mask the inputs, so his wavedash (that is the hardest wave dash in the game) and buffering become critical to hiding his inputs. Not to mention that getting consistent giant swings, musclebusters, wizards etc. is definitely challenging (especially if you're going for a range 0 wizard). His optimal combo routes used to also be tough in Tekken 7, and even tougher in T6 and TTT2 where you had to do a true IWR grab to end combos.
He is simpler than he has been before due to the UF 3+4 and the heat charge RKO nonsense, but there is still meat to king. A part of his technical reputation is also in misconception with his previous iterations as well, which I touched upon briefly.
I wouldn't say King is near Mishima level or Nina difficulty, but he has tech that needs to be really practiced.
I would say try playing king against someone who can break throws. At that point the level of mind games and faking inputs is crazy, and his tools are simply not as good compared to the other top tiers. You are right though the changes they gave him in 8 streamlined the gameplay for king a lot before you start to get to a pretty high rank or play in tournament.
I don't think at tournament level he is that far behind the Mishima's in difficulty simply because they can rely on things like flash punch to guarantee their win condition. where as with king you got to start doing shit like IWR Giant swing to mix peoples techs.
out of 40+ potential wins today, more than 25 were plugged.
i lost multiple streaks, i lost points, i lost the will to keep going.
right now, there is absolutely no joy in playing tekken for me.
and i won't even mention the people playing on weak computers forcing you into a slideshow.
If theyre going to penalize pluggers, they need to fix the game. The online disconnects mid-match more times than you think, typically after lagging for a round. Hell, polaris error crashes the entire game somewhat often! I dont want to be seen as a plugger when I am not. I know for a fact it isnt just me either...
I agree as much as I like the game. Shit hell of broken, unbalanced, and lots of other bs. Plugging is disgusting really ruin the game in a major way. Emergency patch needed. At less allow us to get the points and up promotion. Mike 💯 percent agree with you
From what I gathered by playing point distribution depends on a few factors: you and your opponent’s win streak, the difference in your rank, and stats (whether you’re slated to win or lose). Like, if you’re a higher rank or have higher stats than your opponent and lose you’ll lose a lot of points, and if you’re lower but win you win more points. If you end a streak it seems to give you a lot more points: one time I lost to a guy and that put him on a 10 game win streak but when we rematched, despite losing points, I was given a promotional chance. So I believe that plays some big part in it
I believe the "legality" of banning players is a bit of a misdirect from Harada and Murray. They're never going to ban TEKKEN SHOP spenders merely for rage quitting matches. No shot.
It could be a misdirect but there are countries out there with extremely weird laws that actually do tie game companies hands. But we won’t know for sure sadly
@@vietnamsemonky4082 Well yeah, if someone is dropping a 50 spot on Tekken Coins every month and then arbitrarily gets banned, that's an easier legal claim for that particular user to raise.
You can only sidestep up out of crouch and sidestepping up translates to opposite directions depending on player 1 or 2 side:
P1 sidstep up = SSL
P2 sidestep up = SSR
Since some moves have to be stepped or walked into a specific direction, you might not be able to step that way from a crouching position. That's the explanation for that. Good player's who know that and whose character has moves that force crouch can abuse that.
I think the whole heat system is ridiculous the fact that it's easy to access and the heat smash leaves you on + should be changed and made to be more like double-edge sword
Lost a 14 game win streak in the first week of Tekken 8 to a plugger.
And since I am in purple ranks I have been getting plugged on an absurd amount. Currently at battle ruler. And I hope this next Tekken update will either remove the pluggers from blue ranks or make them afraid to plug on me.
They have been holding me back long enough. Some even plug after losing 2 rounds when they get perfected and dont even wait for the end of the third round.
So many bitches in blue rank are undeserving of those ranks.
And I feel you: I had stopped playing ranked for a week after I had a session of 5 pluggers one day and the next day the same guy pluggin on me twice in a row. It just felt absolutely pointless to play ranked.
People quite sets in casual too. It's just about rank. It about rather or not the fight was fun.
Feng is definitely overwhelming. His b1 alone is gold in a game where all the quick ch launcher disappeared.
Yeah, and it shows in his win percentages. It's not that Feng players are better than everyone else, the character is just busted. I hope he gets nerfed into the ground. I actually prefer fighting Victor over him.
@@theopulentone1650 His neutral is insanely good, especially ws1, which is the best neutral skip in the game in my opinion. In Tekken 7 season 1, the character had the same strenghts but he had low combo potential. And then, they gave him tools to do combo as good as the others. So he's basically good at everything now (and better than the others in 8 because of b1).
I'm struggling to find a "honest character" to play. I tried Leo, Lili and Alisa but still... Everything seems pretty broken to me in this game.
i play rank not so much to rank up but because I get more players equal to me to play against. For some reason in quick matches, it's all over the place for me with my opponents. since T1 I have played and still consider myself a scrub because I do not lab or take the time to take my learning further. win or lose the game is just too addicting to my hands and i am content whether i win or lose because the main focus for me is being able to play. it is frustrating when i lose but not as much as not playing lol and yeah, quitting when you are losing just makes no sense to me especially when not playing in rank!
Mike, the side step inconsistency is probably caused by the “while rising” state. This doesn’t happen in Virtual Fighter where side steps are very consistent. VF also doesn’t have that while rising state.
Or it could be tracking issues, hitboxes, etc. no way to tell at this point.
Dang, I feel lucky in comparison to your situation. I climbed from 2nd Dan to Shinryu in a couple of 2 hour sessions and only had one person plug on me. I do personally consider it a win if someone rages on me so I do think we should get the points but yeah, I care more about improving than I do ranking up fast
As someone that Mains Raven I agree 100% with the Drag and balance problem. But where tekken is unique people accepted that some characters were a little OD in theyre own respects. The caveat is that we didnt mind because to master these characters to gain these powers were pretty high in general. The caracters that were easy were also easy to read and counter with enough knowledge. The easy characters were hard in the sense that you had to play genuine Tekken to get wins I.E. Jack, Kazuya, Asuka, Jin etc. The characters in T8 that are O.D. are not only powerful but easy to grasp in general. As with me picking Raven, in order to even play the character correctly and reap my generic rewards I have to learn crouch cancels and crouch dashes.
Also Yes It sucks losing 1 round and thus 600 points. Winning the next game and getting 0 points. And then that very same person leave and not rematch. Im going to start a death note on YT for these scum bags.
Honey moon phase is ending and finally seeing critiques of Tekken. This is good. Don't like seeing people glorifying companies like they were their friends.
I'm not even an online player and I follow your channel. I guess because your takes on the online scene give a decent perspective that I otherwise wouldn't care about in general lol.
Appreciate that, man. Thank you 🙏🏾
You're not alone in the experience you've had. I remember when I was in Red Ranks, I caught in the same loop; win, promotion chance, plug, lose, and back again. Lose 11 win streak cos of plugging. Continuing sessions can be deflating, especially if you're enjoying the game whether you win or lose.
I reached Mighty Ruler a few days ago and want to continue my rank journey, but I already know the plugging is going to get worse.
Man I just made it to red rank as well. I just hope I don't experience that haha. I've only experienced it like once or twice. For now haha. I only notice it happens in the higher elos.
Out of the blue but would you like to play against each other sometimes?
In addition to getting your points for your opponent quiting, i think a feature along the lines of "committed to the set" would be cool. What it would do is reward "commited" players with more points on wins and maybe even bonus points for winning the set. "Commited" players are LOCKED into full ranked sets (currently ft2). To make up for the bonus win/set win points, players who commit but still leave the set would lose all win points and additional points for being unable to finish the set. This would be a ranked matchmaking setting that you opt in for. Regardless of my own personal opinion, I think players should be allowed to play the game howeever they choose to as long as its an intended part of the game, and unfortunately the 2 easiest things to do in tkn ranked rn is to quit and or one and done. If they arent going to punish these players, they should atleast reward players for putting up with them 👍🏽
I think this is sound solution but i havent put much thought into yet. Players who dont opt in wouldnt be at disadvantage because they can cherry pick wins and avoid players they think would beat them
So is no one talking about how cracked Reina is
Her speed is actually fcking ridiculous
Victor and Law are worse to me
Reina is super hard at high level. Take a look how many Reinas are God of Destruction. You scrubs are just talking strings and bs you can't use against decent players.
Drag and Yoshimitsu are worse. I've had no problems with Reina's myself
@@josephmoore9706 elaborate on yoshi
Feng dressed as Yujiro Hanma ?
Nice. That fits so well
Feng himself is based on a character from baki called Retsu kaioh. Harada is big fan grew up on the manga which explains the vibe of tekken perfectly.
@@desgyulabalogh3429 Ow awesome didn't know that. Damn I should've known based on the lines In his face. It really Is Its own art style. Retsu kaioh Is pretty goated....Except for that pickle fight that was kinda embarrassing ngl
Yeah well show me one guy who didnt get humiliated by pickle at least once (aside from ogre)@@maxwortel8986
100% agree on getting rewarded with a W against pluggers. I almost hit Red but ultimately got knocked down to Destroyer bc I got plugged on my promo match then proceeded to hit a losing streak smh
Azucena is the kryptonite against anyone who uses a lot of high attacks. her fastest punish is a high that can’t be punished and she ducks while she does it. she also has low grab and a two part launcher which I hate so much.
Issue is rage quitting was an issue on t7 too. So why did this game launch without a punishment system or something?
Rage Quitting in T7 is less of an issue because you can see their leave percentage. If someone has a long win streak but has a huge leave percentage, then with that information you can easily tell yourself to close your game and dodge his obviously plugging ass. Not sure why that isn't in here.
@@fieclaussell9879 Good point, also Cold Steel fucking rules
i come back to this fucking vidoe every time i make someone rage quit
initially i always burst out laughing when it happens
but then i realize im not getting credit for it. and that pisses me off man
Zafina doesnt need buffs, shes simply not a popular character. Never has been. Shes not a Bad Character at all
The problem with the one and done is that Tekken is a knowledge check game where certain characters are really strong in a one-off, especially if you're not too into the match up. I think Bo3 should be enforced as the only available ranked format and that if you plug you lose both matches.
When they say that they will be banning people, I honestly don't believe them and I find it an idiotic solution which will reduce the amount of players.
I’ve been playing Tekken for a long time, but started taking seriously on ranked. Even when I lose I get frustrated but it doesn’t stop me from trying to improve. That said the matches where I have a huge advantage only to be plugged makes me want to rip my hair out of my head.
Sadly people are exploiting these characters on rank
It’s crazy because I agree with you but at the same time I be ready to fire my controller into the floor so if I gotta drop out mid match I will
I don’t do it often tho
Another member of the fragile generation getting PTSD from computer games - future looks bright 🤡
@@hermankermit-warm1121 lol your funny I just have issues and I understand myself so I just stop playing don’t be an ass cuz you make games your life
Plus I just get off to save money, who wants to buy a new controller every 2 weeks? All because I’m mad at a game makes zero sense when I can just quit and let the match end.
Youre a braindead loser, grow up cretin
@Datat0 games are my life? But you're so chill you play casual and need to rage quit coz you lost a match? Making loads of sense here I see.🤡 maybe play Minecraft or Roblox? Or maybe you'll get pissy playing them as well hahaha. Like I say, the FGC is 80% fragile males, you'll fit right in with most of them.
Rage quitting is so obnoxious..
But as for "one and done"... Yeah if I'm getting wiped, I'm not playing a rematch. Why would I lose points on a fight I know I'm going to lose? Fuck that man
You need to get whooped to learn
rematching and finding a way to deal with your opponents play style or character will help you out on the long run, how will you defeat a Tekken King Azucena if you can't beat a Garyu one
also sometimes you just can't adapt in a single game, i find myself winning rematches more than i win initial encounters. you do you it is your right to not rematch but just saying
I used to struggle against king he's throws are really frustrating and I can't play when I'm angry so I would get beaten easily. But after alot of rematchs and learning he's patterns he's quite predictably and beatable however if i win the first set then I don't rematch anymore so I agree with both side's of the argument as long as knowone is being a bitch and rage quiting
It's how you learn though
If you chain loose then you have nothing to do in your current rank
Stfu and get the L and demotion if you deserve it. That's what I keep saying. Character who carry people + how fast you rank up. Some people are not ment to get high rank so fast. They eat that wall at 50000 mile/h and start to cherry pick their rematch. Little PP mentality
I love how he blames everybody but his own people lol. "It's all the new people from other games rage quitting."😂
Fair fair.. I'll admit. I've seen the spike in rage quitting from T7 to T8 and immediately labelled these people as Fortnite players 😂 it could very well be the veterans (which leaves me no hope).
Idk how you got so unlucky tbh with rage quitters. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with this during my climb.
The fact that Dragunov gets a combo after doing a freakin wall throw is goddamn ridiculous. Not even King can do that.
that yujiro hanma customization is fire
as a casual playing with my friend and only having 15 seconds to pick a character is annoying
Jesus Christ lol. You see…this right here is exactly why I don’t play online anymore. This could’ve been me doing a rant like this. Actually I was already you making rants like this…back in Guilty Gear and back in Street Fighter 6. The difference in Tekken is that I have modes I can enjoy offline so there is no more of this fuckery with fraudulent-bitch-made-players. But goddamn man I’m sorry you have to go thru this fuckery. I’m right there with you in agreement. I hope this gets fixed as well. I’m probably still not gonna play online lol I only play with friends but yeah hopefully this gets fixed. Love your vids keep doing what you’re doing. God bless.
This is what happens when your game is mainstream succesful, youre going to get tonnes of try hards from lower skill games like COD and Fifa who will do anything to win. Same thing happped back in 2009 with SF4, so many new players mashing DP in lag with Flowchart ken and ragequitting 😅
The one and done is very annoying but I can also understand, if you get completely bodied why would you stay? I’ve beaten people who are clearly not the same level as me and when I 1 and done I don’t care as I understand why they leave
Bare in mind, I'm in Fujin, and came across a tekken king feng, it was already suspect because he didn't seem that good, and he literally plugged on my promo, safe to say he's not meant to be in those ranks.
Shit this plug thing is a real thing. Haven’t jumped into ranked.
Hollow you just to good bro 😅
A good idea would be no one knows if the match is a promotion match. Since the dawn of online play, quitters have ALWAYS been an issue. If you give the person who does not quit the win, tmit will become something abuseable. Taking away your streak is wrong unless you lose.
One and done is no big deal. There are some matches I can't stand playing. They get their one match, and I move on. I definitely feel you on the rage quits. There is just not an effective way to fix it. I think you rage out and you cannot play ranked for x amount of time depending on how many times you have done it.
Finally!!! Someone that understands what I'm going thru😭 I'm a Reina main myself and Its always King, Dragonuv, Feng, Devil Jin, Jun and also Victor that ppl ONLY play just because they're simply"broken" smh. Like literally is there no more other characters in the game? Why not use a character that ur personally comfortable with? And lab with them see what u can cook up. But I TOTALLY agree with u this game NEEDS to be balanced and I mean asap
Ff2 sentai 2 or 3 talking about brain dead character iS peak
I've only seen Steve and Kings. And a few fengs. Kinda wanna fight the op characters lol. I need variety here!
Reina is also in that list of characters...
I’ve been maining Heihachi since tekken and king since tekken 3, worked out his chain throw combo before you could just go online and have it shown to you I love both of them, but not because of just picking an easy character to use or some class as broken, had a little dabble with Jin and Paul over the years but king is my boy not everyone picks a character for the higher chance of an easy win I would pick and learn Devil Jin or Dragonuv if that was the case.
Bro Reina is also a scrubs favourite pick, come on, she's in super low rank matches all the time.
I dont think I'll ever understand the entitlement of thinking someone has to play a set with you, even if they have no interest in doing so. Some characters are just not fun to play against. Ill finish the match but if your character/ playstyle is annoying im not rematching you, regardless if i won or loss.
also victors grab is broken so if y’all aren’t breaking them that’s why
Ok so I'm not tripping!!!
The current system is inexcusable, but 7 was absolutely worse. Even at the end state of the game, in emperor ranks, you would still get players who would just reload their rank (on pc). It was so absurd as you would demote them, and then a game or two later match with them and they're right back at their originial rank.
I agree they should award people that have been plugged on the win that way no one would care if they rage quit as it does not affect them (also the way you rank up in itself is broken as fuck)
Tekken newbie here, as i’m still learning the basics in the low ranks (Eliminator) I might not have entered plug city just yet.
Can anyone point out when this shitty behavior becomes common?
For now I’m having a pretty positive experience online
A certain amount of disconnections should result in an instant demotion
fight night champion had a system where everyone starts off with a 0 on their profile and the more you quit the higher it goes and they start matching you with people that have similar quit percentage LOOOL and if you behave long enough it will slowly go down..........the point is everyone can see it before fighting them and in turn makes it harder for them to get matches
Ay hollow are you going to cover the flack that knee is getting for wanting ling xioyu nerfs? You mentioned wanting some characters nerfed and im wondering what your thoughts are with knee wanting xioyu nerfed
I'll take a look into that now. Is it all happening on Twitter?
She needs it. That’s a common sentiment with a few pro/top tier players
Yeah I had a 20 win streak in ranked and got rage quitted on and lost my win streak. Then if I lose to a higher rank, then I lose a ton of points, yet if I defeat the same higher rank, I don’t gain as many points as I would have lost. I don’t understand the point distribution either and I recently had 3 rage quits in a row which took a few promotions away from me.
Facts the point systems and ranking up in this game is so broken
Altough u are right is many cases talking about ur main lightly cuz hes ur main is hypocritical af lmao. Dragunov is completly broken like many others but Feng is still the most broken + the most annoying to fight against
I started playing in Tekken 7 so I assumed attacks from the P1 side or P2 side being different was part of the game.
ill be the 1st to say it.
tekken 8
needs
DOA6
holds system.
its the only feasible way to guard against the hyper-aggressiveness within. normal block? chip damage everywhere, heat? chip. low parry? the timings and its a low.
this game is FUCCED!
As a person who don't really like playing online, let alone ranked and as someone who like to collect trophies, this would put me off from online even more than what I already feel about playing online. I think they need to update it and fix the ranked mode and make it less detrimental for people who win the match because their opponents decides to quite.
Man you reminded me of those days when I used play Usf4 with my Brother and uncle I tended to play ranked and ACTUALLY learned how to play but everytime I fought them and they started losing very bad they’d quit mid match in person and I’m just sitting there like well what was the point in playing 😭😭😭😭
They should let you see who you're facing before you select to accept the fight and let you know if they are a regular quitter
I highly doubt rage quitters are a product of SF6 players playing Tekken. Having 100s of hours between PC and PS5 I've encountered exactly one in all that time.
How does Tekken implement who faces who in rank? Is there a placement system? Does the game ask you your skill level before ranking? One of the things SF6 does exceptionally well is initially ranking after placements and generally keeping people in the rank they belong. All throughout reddit there are folks saying this is my first fighting game, finally made it to platinum after 7 months or something. No way to quantify of course but there generally seems to be less frustration in SF6 rank because there is a general feeling of progressing and getting better. Idk I don't have Tekken experience but this does seem unique to this game and not a SF6 thing.
I’ve never plugged and I never will. It’s embarrassing tbh, and it really ruins the fun for everyone else
I’m not the biggest fan of one and done players who don’t play the two of three but I do understand, there’s just times when the match quality is so low I just want to get out after one win or loss, like for example I’m a GGS fan and recently somehow I ended up in a match with 725 ms and 15 fucking frames of rollback, both of us were essentially rocking a picture book and after one game I understandably dipped, other times if the match is an absolute massacre I can see one side leaving after one game, or what if a player is cheating (in reality the odds are very low but it does happen), I certainly believe that best two of three is the way to go but it think that being able to one and done should be atleast possible due to the small amount of times that it’s needed, as long as a player finishes the match I can atleast respect that
2 things, I don’t care much about my rank or points because I’m trying to improve. Not much to improve on if I’m only playing quick matches as people take ranked seriously. So to give you a different perspective I’m playing now to climb later. Also Feng is pretty good man, not as bullshit as Jun or Drag, but he has some pretty dumb stuff for sure, can’t downplay that.
Knee complained about Xiaoyu recently. Do you think his complaints are valid?
Another channel I watch speculated that Knee is just trying to get her nerfed so Arslan Ash has less to work with since he's maining her.
EDIT: As for ranked, to help cut down on ragequitting, points should be taken before the match from each player, like inserting a quarter at the arcade. Whomever wins gets their points back plus their opponent's.
If someone pulls/dashboards/legitimately loses connection, they forfeit the match, other player "wins" and gets the points.
Players who pull/dashboard/lose connection on ranked matches often are banned from offline in increasing increments. First two times no penalty. Third time one hour, then two, then five, then 24, where it stays so each time they pull, 24 hour ban. Not permanent, but enough to annoy them as they annoy legitimate players.
Still a best of three set, with the option to "One and Done"(I will take someone conceding defeat after getting whooped in one match over them starting a second and pullling), but at least the points the winner deserves aren't stolen.
When they say king is technical they mean he is technical at high level cuz many people know how to break throw so you have to get creative
Anyone who rage quits in a ranked mode should get penalised. Points have to be awarded to the person who doesn't quit the games.
I gained 1,500 points off a win. I don't know how. Maybe because I was on a lose streak back into Eliminator and I beat a Shinryu player. That's just speculation.
Af far as one and done: I do it. Like, for whatever reason yesterday it was Hworang on repeat. I don't want to play the same character in the limited time I have to learn something. Or if I play a one trick pony, I'd rather just back out and watch the replay to learn what I need. I'm not gonna pull my hair out trying to randomly find a solution while I get mopped.
I've never rage quit/pulled the plug, but I have 100% done one and dones. Alotbof the time though it's not outbof rage but rather, I have no chance I'm not gonna tank my rank cuz I know I'm gonna lose again.
You do realize if they give the non-quitter the points people are just going to packer burst DDOS every match, right? That's worse.
Ugh, you're probably right. We're caught in an endless loop of nonsense 😭
@@RealMikeHollow I've been thinking about this topic in the back of my mind since your video. A solution is to time the RQers. They pull the plug, then go on timeout for some time. The more they RQ, the more they wait. Smash bros has this system... But smash internet is really bad... I recently retired playing fighters after more than a decade. Take it from old and crispy, it may be time to move on legit.
I didnt realize I wasnt getting my points and it was messing up my win streak when people quit. That is some old BS. Like you said "Just give me my d*** points and promotions"!
I haven't encountered a wifi plugger/quitter in my area (Oceania)
Bo3 should be mandatory in ranked, plugging should be against ToS and therefore bannable (with appeal) based upon match data, DC rate and reports.
Drag, Xiaoyu, Feng, King and Jun need some balancing, some moves need to be less oppresively unanswerable (Azucena's WR3,4 anyone?) and as a personal note, Tekken literally tells you when a PC player is dropping frames in matcg via the icon, such players should be flagged at match acceptance screen or have reduced penalties for losing against them because there are so many PC players chugging along in games that feel like 2-3 bar wireless matches. Optimisation or otherwise, I shouldnt be disadvantaged by their rig.
I'm not super concerned about my rank, and I exclusively play ranked in this game (haven't even touched the story or stepped into a player match) for one simple reason: playing opponents more or less at my skill level. Of course ranking up feels nice, but at the same time that means I got either lucky fighting a few weaker opponents in a row and am about to get bodied, or I actually improved and can fight better players. Highest I got is only Tenryu, and maybe I'm extremely lucky or people aren't as tryhard at these lower ranks, but in my 60 hours of playtimes I was plugged on three times in ~200 matches.
If they can’t ban quitters then they should match up with other quitters instead. I think GTA Online and COD has done this with cheaters fighting other cheaters 😭😂
Wait, you're kidding me? People are doing that? Rage quitting on promo matches and sending messages about you not getting a promotion on them? The hell? And nothing negative happens to these people for quitting? This needs to be fixed. Those like yourself who want to play and stay for the full sets shouldn't be punished for the actions of others. And for some reason I want to say it's not Tekken vets doing this, it's most likely the new comers to Tekken. Honestly, this is giving me Kombat League vibes ... FFS.
Drag, Jun, DJ, should be a priority to bamco. Straight up oppressive AF. Can know the match up and still can’t do shit about the pressure. Jun is the worst because huge damage, combo scaling is fucking busted, easy af to use, and huge amount of safe moves. Straight up boss character but people are allowed to use her online lol 😂
Jun is so dumb because of her mix ups plus her strings feel like they never end.
I will admit I have plugged once. It was against this Law player, he was waaaay better than me, got matched up against him 5 times. He teabagged me after every round and I just Alt F4’d.
😂😂😭 thank you for your confession, sir. You have been absolved of your sins.
King is only snapped against new players or players who don’t want to break grabs. Half his kit is grabbing you. And they’re not hard to break. Unless you’re mashing
Are the replays of pluggers saved in the game? Maybe that can be sent to Namco for proof of pluggers.
Plugging has been an issue for years in Tekken and I still can't believe that it hasn't been sorted out by the release of 8. Absolute madness that this is still an issue and nothing has been done before the game hit the public. And like you and many others have said: this isn't hurting the one that is manipulating the game to their advantage, but the honest player that wants to play the game like it is intended to. And while One and Dones are a problem in its own, I find winquitters even worse. The ones that leave if they lost a match to you but win in the rematch without finishing the set. They have become a lot more ever since the announcement that Pluggers will be banned if legalities are sorted out. Its so wild to me that people are that obsessed with how they appear online these days. If you are in a low rank there is nothing wrong with that, I for crying out loud am still in Orange Ranks because I got shat on in the red ranks after one promotion. Thats just how it works and you don't see me complain about the game being to hard. I just need to hit the practice and lab.
Maybe this is only happening in higher ranks?
Cause I'm in low ranks rn and haven't come across any it. I got the game late
and have been sort of easily swimming into red ranks rn without any rage quitters. It must be frustrating for the newer players, though, so i feel a bit guilty about taking their points. Maybe I'll start experiencing it once i hit purple ranks. Also, I think the reason there's such a huge pandemic of quitters is because the majority are mk casuals. The pluggers that got top ranks were always there but were annoying either way since they knew how to abuse the system. That has always been an issue, and it's one of my biggest issues with the tekken team. But the pluggers that leave out of frustration are a new thing with the number of people playing. And i hate to say it, but it's reminiscent of mk pluggers. Not to say every mk player is a plugger, but plugging has never at the forefront of tekken issues until now, when many mk fans left their game for tekken. And in my experience, I've never so many rage quitters than when i played a nethertrealm game.
Bro I got plugged on in casuals 😂😂 at this point I have given up and stopped caring I just enjoy playing Lee at this point
Plugged on in casuals? Yeah, these rage quitters are cooking us badly right now 😂
I lost a 60 win streak on quick match. They plug everywhere !@@RealMikeHollow