[HoI4] Double Timelapse - Total War vs Expert AI Mods [36-45]
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2020
- In this HoI4 AI only historic timelapse, we'll test Total War and Expert AI Mods in a side by side comparison, within broader European theater. Both change the way AI operates. Timeline is 1936 to 1945.
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@@franciscofranco8006 Thank you sir
nice subbing now : )
I’m only 12 ):
You don't need to be 18 to kick the shit out Nazi Germany as Russia kiddo
Hi, im a developer for Total War, and I want to thank you for showing our mod on your channel we really appreciate it.
Really great work with the mod. It's the most accurate historical timelapse we so far got to.
What's the difference between Total War AI and Expert AI?
I like your mod. I love the speeches, historical AI and the new technology. Best mod. At least one of the best
EternalMapper I’ve never heard of Total war, what is it exactly?
@@awildtannerwasfound5045 I don't know if you've already found out or not, but just to be sure I'll explain:
Total War completely rebalances the game and adds new Focuses and Events to all major nations.
You will be forced to design your divisions differently than you are used to . The Industry & Research Trees have also been overhauled.
The mod is amazing if you are interested in a challanging yet fun game.
The mod itself provides a guide in the game which I suggest you check out.
Cheers
Imagine being a German logistics guy.
„Gut, zis division now comes to the Soviet Border. No, to the Netherlands border. No, to the Norwegian Front. No, Back to the Netherlands.
In reality, occasionally, families got letters with private codes about where the people were. My grandma showed me her father's letters and her mom's diary where she wrote down what the code words were and what they meant. Once he was on a train to italy, but halfway there the connection train had 2 groups instead of the expected one to transport, so they asked for confirmation and found out there was a mix up. So they went back to where they came from only to be sent right back down to italy because they were supposed to go to the french border there after all.
And in one case they thought they were going to the netherlands, but the transport people thought they should be going to some german city along the Rhine and it took them 2 days to find out that someone mixed up the unit designations and nobody was sure which one was supposed to go where.
German precision.
@@Katharina-rp7iq it's really funny how many people have this idea that militaries are these well oiled effcieint machines. But in reality militaries are often some of the biggest logistical and management f*ups in all of history. I've even read of this sort of stuff happening to Roman Republic military units 2000 years ago.
@@ANWRocketMan I can imagine that happening anytime, anywhere.
Btw the codewords they used were the german translations for 'somewhere', 'I can't tell you where', 'I don't know where', 'elsewhere' and such. They had them for all the surrounding countries, but the military postal service opened the letters to ensure nobody was sending any secret info like, say, where regiments were being sent. Clearly that worked so amazingly well that farmers with maybe 6 years of schooling, often only 4, could get around it.
@@Katharina-rp7iq It's a classic problem in counterintel: There is no real way to understand or even reliably detect word choice codes short of getting access to whatever serves as the code book. However, they are also very low bandwidth codes and typically can only send a handful of pieces of information.
You can beat them in any message system that involves the message being transcribed, (e.g. a telegram), simply by substituting synonyms where possible. If you are really telling someone about their uncle's fatal heart attack, is doesn't matter if you describe him as dead or deceased, but when "dead" really means "go by way of Halifax" and deceased means "go by way of Boston," you have just mess up their message by swapping them, (or confused them by switching it to "passed on").
@@chakatfirepaw very nice, that works on telegrams, but doesn’t on letters written by hand, there would be evidence if you change something in such writing
The Total War AI mod is more historical then the actual historical mode...
until 1942
Than*
Yeah, about that..
"The Chinese Soviet Republic has joined the allies
We stand together"
(The mod is great btw)
Ngl it did more progress with operation Barbarossa
Didn't look at Italy for ten seconds, and when I did, it was gone
Don’t blink, or you’ll miss it
Same!
I did the same thing as I was reading your comment
You share an experience with German High Command at that time, congrats :)
But if you close your eyes, does it feel like nothing changed at all
Total war
Germany : I'm Speed
Italy: Guys how to Africa? , Need help pls
Germany : ok i'll send you help
10 seconds later
Germany: lol i'm dead
I loughed cool
So, just like OTL WW2?
@@gressorialNanites mostly hahahaha
Germany: we got this
Italy: Ok I am die, thank you foreva
Germany: wha-
Nice reference
Hey ! I got that joke
nice korone meme
I see you're a man of culture as well
Dominate internet today. Dominate world tomorrow. Humanity stands no chance against the allure of cute anime girls
It seems like not constantly moving the troops off of Germany's border actually helped you elite ai stalin. It brings tears to my eyes.
Wow, the second mod is quite historical.
The only flaw in total war one was italy losing libya like in vanilla and then they probably fought in east africa
Sy3s and you know it ending a few years earlier
I really like how Finland never joined the Axis and Attacked the Soviets, and then when they were losing they switched to the allies
David Pidugu get out of jail free card right thete
Нихера
Turkey in total war:does nothing
Turkey in modded war:does nothing
LMAO!!! I was thinking the same thing!
That's how you survive a war.
lol look at Switzerland getting rich on Nazi Gold!
They didn't have drones yet. Mod in some drones and Turkey wins.
Grab a popcorn, watch the Europe burn!
I love how on Expert AI mod is struggling because of entrenched 40 widths , while on Total War Soviets almost went after the allies at 1944
Ah yes. Italy again.
“Soft underbelly”
And that kids is why Hitler didn't want to give north Africa to the Allies. It's the perfect standing grounds for naval invasions into the whole southern part of Europe.
Do the mod that makes Europe really big
Magna Europa.
Chonky europe
HOLY SHIT IT IS AT 69 LIKES! Do not like
haha funny number
Comically large Europe.
Total War AI was much more realistic then actual hearts of iron 4 historical mode
Then you didn't understand what the historical mode does.
How? Germany was done in 43 that is not realistic.
It is not at all. In vanilla HoI4 (at least back on 1.7 version) Germany crumbles in 45 with allies invasion in 44. USSR gets occupied relatively historical, minor changes from session to session. Here, while USSR occupation is somewhat accurate with an exception of Baltic holding back germans for the whole war, allies invade too early and Germany capitulates in 43. Both these mods are flawed in regards to historical accuracy.
@@coolseaturtle4616 Every historical game I have ever played on vanilla Germany wins the war and somehow the USA turns fascist but ok.
Meanwhile in Finland:
Fuck Germany and the United States, Moscow will be with us
Have been playing the Total War mod for ever on my channel... by far, the best historically accurate mod ever made for HOI 4!
I love the unit movement.
You should try to play some Road to 56 and Chaos AI mod timelapses seeing the AI create new scenarios and alliances with new outcomes and add that with Expert AI then you have one interesting global war.
Chaos ai does not work
@@Luka-el9nt
What do you mean?
Africa: Has more room to put troops in total war mod.
British: He he he yah boi
The problem(in both total war and vanilla) that ai doesnt put any division to Defend Coast and it makes it super easy to Naval Invade A country.
Winstons strike at "the soft under belly" worked this time around...
Poland: *joins the allies*
Poland literally 2 seconds later: Um, I'm die, thank you forever
From what I can see is that the TotalWar AI is a lot more aggressive, but also a lot less stable. Crack their momentum or push from another side, and they collapse rather quickly.
Oh the scale of the slaughter is just breathtaking.
Soviet: Goes NOM.
Hey, I love this, I have been thinking of making timelapse, where do I start?
Just record and speed up the recording
smart to name a mod for one strategy game after another strategy game
How does expert AI end?
This was just with 45 timeline, we have other timelapses that run them through further dates
In my timeline argentina invades USA and wins, at least is not uruguay
I get the impression Total War mod things either work really well or not at all, whereas Expert AI mod seems to have a more spread out preparedness where nothing is going to work over the top well, but won't see the same level of commitment to any one thing as the Total War mod, thus Expert AI tends to move more gradually. Anyone else seeing it the same way?
Very nice!!
How do you do the divisions like that..?!
Also do you think could show political map at the end?
Yeah I've wondered that too
Maybe it's somewhere in the settings as grouping?
For a bit, there, I thought this was testing the AI from the Total War games against the AI from HoI4.
Suddenly Hitler summons the elector counts.
Now do a time lapse of all nations being stuck on Total Mobilization. Maybe as an extra, go Total Mobilization and Disarmed Nation only. If not then go Extensive or Limited conscription.
I think the main difference, is that the total war mod has armies that struggle a bit more when they are fighting a two front war.
4:49 Finland switching sides was like popping a pimple
Expert AI: do you want to fight
?
Turkey: nope
Total War AI: do you want to fight
?
Turkey: Nope
In Real Life: do you want to fight
?
Turkey: nope, maybe later
yeah just armeniens and kurds, nothing where we could burn our hands
@@DaveSauuu Yeah, another probably westerner making The Turks look like villains and talking about genocide regarding both demographically and culturally thriving communities unlike where the real genocides happened in Europe, Africa and America. I cant believe how ignorant people can be. The world is filled with Turk-haters nowadays. It's sad. It also shows how the 200 year-long British propoganda worked. People not talking about the colonist empires' atrocities, instead purposefully misinterpret the casualties inflicted on both sides among Turks and Armenians due to the Westerners encouraging minorities to take arm up against Ottomans. And the side, defending its country and integrity is the villain. Yeah, sure. You people are pathetic.
@@ahmetcihatcetin7822 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
@@ahmetcihatcetin7822 @Ahmet Cihat Çetin Listen, my friend. It's true that sometimes, the people who insist so much on armenian genocide and kurdish problem are turks haters, but not always. I think the fact that your government and a part of your people are so stubborn about denying it happened, despite all the proofs, is a reason why people keep reminding it to you and being agressive about it.
Yes, I know, it must be extremely annoying that the first thing foreigners think when talking to turkish people is "armenian genocide", despite the fact that it is your government that denies it, not you personnally. It's the same as how serbian people keep being blamed by europeans for all the shit their past government did, even though that's not current generations' fault. But when you defend yourself so agressively, it makes the stupid people have a wrong idea about you, and it just gives fuel to their trolling.
Look, I am a french person. My country did many, many, many bad things in the past, the hands of my ancestors are covered in blood. If someone mentions it to me, I won't deny it, it happened, I can't change that. Yet, it doesn't affect me, I don't feel personnally responsible for it, and it doesn't represent how France is TODAY. I also admit that the treatment France and other western countries gave to Turkey after ww1 was really unfair, and that turkish people were in their right during the wars of the birth of Turkish Republic.
But don't get so triggered when people mention armenian genocide. If it's a turk hater, that's what they seek. You don't have to feel guilty about the bad things your ancestors did, (and anyway, they also did good things). So you don't have to be so agressive when people mention armenian genocide, just go along with it and chill, my friend :)
And for your information, I'm not a turkish hater. I do love turkish people, I love turkish history, culture, food, and music, and I very much appreciate hanging out with turks. Atatürk is one of the historical personnalities I appreciate the most, because even if he is responsible for some bad stuff, at the birth of Turkish Republic, he was one of the rare enlightened dictators that has ever lived on this world, and who did great things for Turkey. I don't like what your current government does, but that's a whole other debate, and I prefer to not get into it :)
That being said, have a great day/evening, and sorry for the long comment!
@@ElectusAnimus all groups are pathetic,
4:45 Finland about to pull a pro gamer move.
Can anybody give a good description of the various differences between these ai mods?
After viewing the video, the first thing that comes to my mind is that Total war seems to spread it's garisson more effectively instead of spreading them to defend pointless areas.
It also seems to limit alot of the pointless movement, back and forth, and reorganizing that the AI would usually do.
What happened to the graphs from before that showed the casualty count and army size?
need to redo them for these kinds of timelapses, we will but don't have it yet :/
graph needs to be removed and just numbers put out as graphs would eat up the page, so will take a bit
@@GameWatcher545 yeah numbers are better
Why would you stop the video before the war was over?
What strange flag does Switzerland have in the Total War Mod?
I watch Finland for 5 seconds and then Italy is just gone!
The second part where all the Allies push Germany from both sides was crisp
How do you see the divisions of both sides?
Console command for spectator
I have watched alot of these and so far never seen one that was historical with finland
Good video
Can you have a timelapse of a buff Italy with Expert AI and Chaos AI enabled please?
noted k :)
@@GameWatcher545
Thanks.
What do the changing colour shades inside the countrys' borders mean?
Seasons
Ngl they both look super historical for an hoi4 game
You can't say if the AI was responsible or not. The starting positions were different and that could be the cause of how everything went down. I would like to see how things play out if the starting positions were exactly the same.
Man in the High Castle AI when??
total war is the best historical mod for hoi4 *change my mind*
Total War ended up being fairly realistic, with the notable exception of no Normandy landings (choosing instead to come up through Italy). Expert AI successfully did pull off a Normandy however, even if it did result in a quagmire in France. Also a bit surprised about the lack of any form of Africa campaign of note in Expert AI; I really don't believe the UK couldn't push Italy 1v1.
Germany: *fighting against half the world*
Switzerland: "Scheint gut."
Ia expert: D-DAY on Italy...
Churchil's plan
Turkey and Switzerland: Ah good movie.
Meanwhile Turkey : Honey can you bring me a cup of tea I'm gonna sit on the sofa and watch the world and do nothing
what’s the music?
whats the meaning of total war? does it mean all nations go to war immeadilly
So the Total war mod basically recreated WW2 for me.
The fact that on the total war side Italy surrendered then joined the allies and was immediately occupied by Russia when the war ended was a bit sketchy
On HOI expert the Faroe Islands gets invaded by Italy at one Point and the Spanish helping liberate Norway. Interesting!
Conclusion: The allies should’ve play Total War
Video: Total War AI
Me: fucking autoresolve! wait a minute...
I ask myself.
I didn't know a thing about this game or how to play this game.
UA-cam recommends this video to me.
I watched it till the end at 4 am. and enjoy it.
What the hell am I doing?
In the end total war ai made a big push
Seems like the total war ai is more agressive, and makes riskier moves. Took the sothern path into russia while making little progress in the north
Okay who’s the player playing as ?
germany in total war:oh no italy fell ima send some units to help
ussr:WELL THEN ITS TIME TO VRUUUUUM
First half goes to Total War. Also seems like i’ve missed some stuff in my geography classes. Soviet full invasion of Finland, then Finland joins the allies? And i’ve never heard of the naval invasion of Rome 😂 then advancing up into Vichy France and no Normandy. Good first half, but deeply degrades in 1941 and onwards. Good mod but needs alot of work.
Total War Finland. Impressive.
Expert Ai is way more historical accurate than the other one tbh..
Personally I like EAI, not for historical accuracy, but for added difficulty. Can't recall when I played a game without it last time, when I actually played
@theNickwars11: In what sense precisely?
Its not. Total war is. Total war had USSR start pushing the Germans back way before the landings in 1944, which actually happened in real life, whereas in total war you have USSR struggling until 1944 which is complete bullshit. So no, total war is way more accurate
@@PYRO_90 Yeah, yeah. And seems like 43 is year when war ended irl, right?
It's crazy how vastly different these games played out. It seems like historical events on either side were like 50/50 to the accurate historical events. I mean we start out seeing Germany on both sides basically do the same exact thing but then all the sudden it seems like the expert AI had lost and messed up. They had it but by taking over Finland they ruined that potential second front that Russia had to deal with on the total war side. But at the same time in the end the total war AI ended up losing basically the same exact way the axis did in World War II. Very strange.
In the end though I actually ended up watching the total war side of the game because after Germany was defeated a lot of crap went down. It looks like the Lithuanias were trying to fight off communist takeover but Italy somehow became a red satellite state. I don't know what the hell happened but a lot of crazy shit went down
Easy. Russia had enough points in peace deal to puppet italy, so they did. Peace conference is pretty shitty tbh.
@@sleepingcity85 I never played the game so I don't know the mechanics. All I knew is I saw a communist Italy LOL sounds broken as fuck
One of the not allied invasion problems is the italians fight to the last man , when IRL the Germans had to invade them to keep them in the war.
so ......witch one is the expert ? :/
This mod has nothing to do with the total war series from creative assembly, right?!
Correct, it's just the name of the mod
The other is current timeline, and other one is in the cold war age.
*Time hacker man*
6:22 why the hell are there two Frances, both of witch are in the allies?!
Its a nation called occitania, it's needed to trigger vichy france to spawn. Unfortunately it causes the two france thing after the allies win
Hey what is the game?
Turkey:I DON'T CAREEE!!!!!
germany was winning on the right until italy did italy things, fell so hard they didnt even invade normandy. On the left they didnt make it as far into russia yet italy held.
Which total war game is this? I haven't heard of it.
hearts of iron 4. It’s very good but hard to learn if you are not familiar with games like this.
@@eliasl332 I have played every total war game but did not hear about this.
Total War is only the name of the mod, not a game of Total War saga
What I just watched leads me to believe that Total War AI is fucking phenomenal on a single front war, but when a new one is opened unexpectedly they crumple under their own weight and can't manage the army.
The totalwar mod end was so awesome, the d-day was in the timming to split the Europe between then and in the soviets, this was so beautiful, but the peace treaty of hoi4 is a fucki** border gore
Here, Kingdom of Libya, you can have some sand.
LOL Italy got wiped even faster
It pains me to see that France loses in both cases
Turkey ; why are you fighting ? :D
I feel like im losing my mind because every game I play Germany and the axis win
@Pelinal Whitestrake Wtf
@Pelinal Whitestrake pretty sure the communists won bro
lmao on total war mod italy is liberated by british and end up after the peace treaty in soviet hand .......
Total War has a decison for Germany to make 'rump Italy' a puppet under the so named Republic Of Salo if Italy looses all in Africa & Sicily. Honestly, this can still be improved way more, however resources aren't endless. It is on my radar though. eg. Adding an intelligence operation for Germany to save Mussolini would be a nice extra, a challenge for Germany if they want to have a somewhat compliant rump Italy / Make it a 'civil war', even though the Italians didn't really fight one another, at least not the allied occupied South with German occupied North, partisans were active in the North and killed Mussolini in the end. Because of the current implementation, the Italy tag is not 'liberated' as usual, leading to possibly more funky outcomes like this.
Historically after the Allied Invasion of Sicily, the King & Badoglio together with the Grand Council of Fascists deposed Mussolini and changed sides/'surrendered' to the Allies.
Read more here: www.britannica.com/place/Italy/The-republic-of-Salo-the-Italian-Social-Republic-and-the-German-occupation
Or watch: ua-cam.com/video/oZePFDn3GAI/v-deo.html
Still what happened here was actually not too far off from history. Italy came close enough to having the communists elected in the first elections post war, after first abolishing the monarchy (which the SU also pushed for in Romania & Bulgaria to further their control) The US heavily sponsored the Christian Democrat contenders to help them win and keep Italy in the Western Bloc..
Furthermore, the SU/Stalin had strong ties to the Italian communist party at this point. For further info see the earlier link and this video: ua-cam.com/video/U0WrcxHO7t4/v-deo.html
PS: Total War doesn't railroad/have an event to make Italy (potentially) join to Commintern, pure coincidence here.
HoI4: Germany becomes a fucking brick wall like always
HoI4TW: Wow actually realistic????
i have NO clue what is happening
C'est marrant' dans les deux cas, les british son même pas intervenue pendant la campagne de France, finalement c'est assez réel.
C'est pas faux 😅
So player is left and AI is right?
both are AIs
Funny, in my playthrough, all of Europe fell to Czechoslovakia, North Ameica and half of Asia belongs to Japan and Soviet Union is sitting there, midning its own business. Now Czechoslovakia is in process of conquering Africa while Japan takes hold of South America. Once that happened... true World War will start. XD
My question is, why the hell are syira and egypt free countrys in total war?
Egypt: www.britannica.com/place/Egypt/The-interwar-period
Syria: www.britannica.com/place/Syria/The-French-mandate
Podcast episode on further context around the mandates and post WW1 'colonialism': open.spotify.com/episode/758o9L3IKKAvu7CKeZwham
The 2nd WW channel episode on Syria after the defeat of France during WW2 : ua-cam.com/video/2p0xLd8FqkU/v-deo.html
Basically Total War (& other mods) often make overseas territories to varying degrees serparate puppets, mostly for best AI performance. Furthermore eg. Setting up Syria like this makes it also way easier to have the Vichy set-up event where French colonies can go either to Free or Vichy France way easier. Still Total Wars representation of both regions as puppets is not too far off (at all) as can be read above.
PS: Britain also has a focus & events regarding it's controll of Egypt in Total War, check it out :).
AXIS TO SWITZERLAND: ZERO FUCKS
Me for no reason, rooting for the axis throughout the entire video: 😑😑😑
The AI of HOI4 has difficulty settings ? ok
they are mods
And Italy looses the entire war for germany on Total War...