im on a ryzen 1600x only because my 4670k mobo died and it was cheaper to buy a new mobo/cpu than a mobo for that chip. the 4670k was amazing, i had it OC'd to 4.5ghz stable for 3 years. still wish i had that over this ryzen.
@@cowmath77 I based that off of former 70 class cards in the past that kept a linear price trajectory. I can agree with you in terms of inflation and the overall economy being overheated, but there's also the fact that NVIDIA is also playing their customers given the fact that most people at the end of the day will choose an RTX card over what AMD offers, let alone Intel's Arc cards.
Good luck bro, I been researching for like 1-2 months and still haven’t pulled the trigger on a new GpU lol. I just wanted to upgrade, like plug and play, now I’m considering an entire new build all together cuz I want them all 🤣🤣🤣. Im hard stuck on power draw with the 6950xt I’d need a new PsU too, same for the 7900xt as I’m prob not going to run a 750w even though it’s a gold rated Corsair RM model with that. The 6800xt would be fine but it’s hard not to just spend the extra $100 and get waaaaay more performance. The 4070 is super efficient but I’d at least get the Ti tbh. I also don’t wanna buy a 4070 for $600 when a 6950xt is the same price and more powerful, but it’s less efficient in terms of power draw lol. Anytbing below a 6800xt doesn’t make much sense for me with a 5700xt, I could get the 6800 but it’s like ok 50% gain for $500, why not spend $600 or $700 and get 100% gains. See where this has been leading me? The pricing is manipulative as hell rn imho, they are tryna fomo people into buying. So I’m just watching and will strike when I feel is necessary lol. Hope ya figured it out and didn’t go down the rabbit hole I did 🤣🤣
@@doubleshot9448 Thanks. What cpu & mb you're planning to upgrade? I got scammed for overspending on a 1000w seasonic psu when I ordered a prelab for my 1070 system years ago. Guess it paid off. I bought my 4070 AORUS MASTER but couldn't slot it in place despite having enough room in my case.
Thank you so much for comparing on an older system, exactly what I needed. Running a 1070 and upgrading last year to a 1440p monitor then it really struggles! So this really helps show the benefits. And then, when next year, I upgrade the rest of my system, I also know what to expect. Just perfect!
Why aren’t more channels making totally logical content like this? If we’re struggling with the price of upgrades this year, it stands to reason we will upgrade just one component and not an entire $2000 pc. Good job!
Because they are living off of kids asking daddy to buy new parts. Creating totally hypotethical scenarios which does not apply to 99% of users. Dlss3+frame generation applies to less than 0,001% of users actually.
logical content doesn't get as much views. Click baity videos pay the bills. Look at youraverageconsumer , he's had that name for the longest time but 90% of the things he talks about on his channel are things that the real average consumer will never buy.
At the current prices, the 6900 XT and 6950 XT are better buys and their RT performance is close. At $500 or less the 4070 might have been a great buy. The only reason to get one over them is if the production features are important. And even then, there are other Nvidia cards that might be a better value.
I guess it depends if someone has to upgrade his PSU or not. And even if not....the difference in the power bill over two year might be also some to be considered. Nevertheless we need from both, AMD and nvidia ( and mabye even intel in the future) some serious backsteps in power-usage of GPUs. I guess there is a chance, at least we have seen this trend to just a bit more performance for way less power-usage trend in the cpu-field.
@@Onkfrog This type of take is hilarious since the 6800XT performs equal or better outside NV bribed games, consumes the same power and costs 100€ less.
@@GewelReal Right now, AMD GPUs get much better performance per watt than their NVidia "equivalent". Not to say that both companies couldn't do better when it comes to power efficiency, but AMD is currently leading in that regard.
Finally, a site that doesn’t leave the majority of users behind! I’m running an 8700K with a 2080 and I’ll save my money this gen and just build a new system in 2-3 years. I will be doing some overclocking in the meantime.
@@MegaManNeo The 2600K is one heck of a monster with amazing OC potential. The fact that people still have it is a testament to how good the Sandy Bridge architecture is.
On my older system I’m still rocking the 4770k and the legendary 1080ti. It still runs virtually every game at 1440p with really good frame rates. Don’t really need a 600 dollar plus card right now for this system.
I've been researching an entire system upgrade vs a drop-in card for about 6 months now - going back and forth. You confirmed my suspicion with this video that holding onto my i9900 based system for a few more years will work out best - and that this may be the final visual upgrade before investing in a new system. The next few years is going to solidify that thinking because we're RIGHT at the cusp of an important technological cycle, across all aspects of computing hardware. Excellent video and I love your charts - why don't others do it your way? Keep up the great work!
Similar here... I'm running a i9-9900K with a EVGA 1660Ti XC. I'm usually on a 3-4 year upgrade cycle but given the chaos that was 2021/2022 I skipped 30 series. 40 series is extremely good on efficiency but the prices just make things dicey, especially since I was planning to give this rig to a friend and build a new one for myself.
The 6700xt came out in 2021 with 12gb vram and is set to last a few more years before it starts to become obsolete. Why on earth would you pay 600+ for a brand new card that only has 12gb vram and will also start to become constrained in a few years especially if you play at 1440p
its never going to get better because theres idiots paying anything these days, better accept it and upgrade. Even a modern i3 will be a massive upgrade for you.
@@HardwareCanucks do it please man infact id say do it with one if each gen i7 past 2nd gen cause as your top comment shows, manny people are on 2nd gen to 7th gen not these newer setups and the reason is cause they understand pcs almost never pay for themselves and thats an issue cause payimg $500 to $1500 evety two years just is not feasible for the average consumer but paying that after 5 to 10 years actually makes sense.
@@erikbritz8095 I am also in the camp of wanting/needing to upgrade my PC soon, and will be getting a 6700 XT next month. And I've seen many like me with i7 6700K and also the GTX 1060. I just don't think the price to performance is worth it for these new expensive cards and generally other parts like mobos and such. My brother is going to be upgrading this summer from i7 4790K and GTX 970.
My PC would be considered a relic by these standards. A 4790k paired with a Founders GTX 1080. Good enough to max most games I play at 1080p and handles 1440p fairly well if you adjust some settings. I think I'll sit still for another couple years
Realistically, you want an AMD GPU for coupling with slower CPU because of the hardware scheduler. But the Rx 6600xt and below are with limited PCI-E lanes, so the lowest viable GPU for older CPUs is in fact a Rx 6700xt.
@@DesuVR but RDNA2 has a greater chance of terrible performance on older games. I learned this after going from 1070/1080/1080ti to 6600xt/6700xt/6900xt. RDNA2 acts like it’s massively bottlenecked in certain games. Minecraft for example runs the gpu much of the time at 500mhz while not even hitting 100fps at times. They act like lazy asleep cards in many older games. I currently have 9 RDNA2 cards in the house.
@@DesuVR That is, until you go down to Rx 6600XT or lower. I tried to pair a Rx 6600XT with i7 4770. Was horrible. Time to upgrade. Swapped that to a budget i3 12100f + budget Gigabyte MB. Solid experience.
A refreshing change from the plethora of high spec based reviews out there gents. Concise and nicely wrapped up. I don't think I've owned a top-tier card for about 15 years at least and have mostly stuck to 60-70 series cards since the GTX260-216, then 460, 560Ti, 960. Upgraded that to a 970 after getting my first 1440p monitor, then a 1060 when 4GB 'cough 3.5' wasn't enuff VRAM, then a 1070Ti and after it died during the pandemic a 3060 when a small shipment landed out of nowhere and was gone in 2 days. Of course I retired the trusty old 3770K for Ryzen in 2020 so the depicted scenario doesn't exactly apply to me but it's useful info nonetheless. As I currently run a UW1440p rez I'm only interested in 12GB cards and above but I'm in agreement with iiprovisionii4662 in the comments, $600 ($800 Cdn) is just too much. NVidia better stop drinking their own koolaid. Thanks for the vid.
Nice informative video and useful to a lot of people. I'm rocking a 970 with a i7-6700K and I used to upgrade my graphics card every 2 or 3 generation but got stuck not wanting to pay the covid tax for the 3070. I was getting very excited by the 4070 as it was looking more reasonable but now I might be looking towards ATI as there are currently a couple of games that need a min of 12GB of vram and I think in a couple of years time I think 16GB of vram would be essential. Nvidia has skimp out on vram. Also there is a 20/30% performance increase over last generation but there is also a similar price increase so they are not passing along savings and going against Murphy's law.
Nothing is as easy as it looks. Everything takes longer than you think. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy Going against Murphy's law is a bless! Going against Moore's law is sad :(
I'm kinda on the fence with this one, I have a r7 3700x and I feel like this card might be a nice pairing at 1440p. This was just the video I wanted to see, many thanks :)
These are the types of videos we need to see …. Preferably before the gpus video continues into top pc parts benchmark mode (32gb dual channel ddr5 7600mt/s, 13900ks, RTX 4090 bench testing rig) for the max performance which can be obtained like what is typically shown by all reviewers of cpu / GPU launches. Consumers can see if the shown upgrade is really relevant to them or not and upgrade something else for better performance.
1080p - medium settings - 30fps When I can't get that, it's time to upgrade my 1070. Seems it will be great for years to come. It saves me a lot of money to come from era where there were no 3D-cards and 320x240 and 20fps was great. Now 1080p and 60fps is a dream.
I like this review approach. Very well put together video HC. The price of the RTX4070 might look steep but if you factor in that it does not draw a lot of power and if you have an aging power supply it might be the best drop in upgrade.
This is what I'm considering, the fact that I could get 3080 performance and just drop it into my system is very tempting. The 4070 would kill on my 2560x1080 monitor and I don't have to buy anything else. Any other option requires at least a PSU upgrade.
@@idbest73 Exactly! I currently have an RTX 2060, this would be a big upgrade for me. But I'm going to wait a bit to see what AMD's response will be. Hopefully it will drive the price down a little bit.
Really it is I was using a 1650 4gig and just jumped to 4070 12gig so atleast for me its an astronomical upgrade but with that low power usage it's amazing .
My i7 9700k has already seen 3 gpu upgrades ever since I built the system on it's premiere: from 2060- through a 2070 Super...to an 3080 ti I got 4 months ago for around $600 (and which still is faster than the 4070😅) - Not once did it feel like it was an old cpu- playing at 1440p, high/ultra settings, DLSS quality on a 1440p 144hz monitor- and all games are buttery amooth with freesync on- love this cpu- not to mention my rig is like double the performance of my ps5:) planning an upgrade to the 14th gen intel and rtx 5000 series when the time comes- great video dude❤ a reasonable take on the frantic cpu race of the past few years
Nvidia isn't great for older CPUs. D GPUs have a hardware command processor which greatly reduces driver CPU overhead. AMD GPUs can use more of their full power with an older GPU for that reason while Nvidia can't.
Older gaming PCs have older weaker CPUs. If high refresh rates and framerates are the target, Nvidia cards are a bad choice considering their CPU overhead. If you have a weak CPU you gotta go AMD. The difference is often upto a ~23% more fps headroom with AMD GPUs
Thank you guys. This video is exactly what I needed. I have a 9700k and will be looking to get a 4070 but was unsure as to the extent of the bottleneck of my cpu. You guys have really helped me make my decision without any doubt.
I have an 8400 and I've been eyeing the 4070. This video just solidified that I'm getting one. I know the 8400 is tons slower than a 9700/8700 but it's close enough that I can imagine the performance I'll be getting (maybe the 3070+9700 one). Thanks for this very informative and 'inclusive' video.
Sad the 70 class gpu costs much more than my whole PC back then. Found some great deals and my whole PC ended up $414. 2700x +GTX 1070. Still I'll wait until the gpu goes on sale
Excellent point of view. comparing a new GPU with old hardware. and bringing the importance of upgrading more than just the GPU if you don't want to leave some performance on the table. this also demonstrates how it's important to get a solid CPU if you plan to upgrade your GPU in the coming years.
Mike this was a great angle to take on the upgrade path and the only real place that the 4070 shines against the competition imo. Lots of people with older budget desktop computers in this range have lower wattage power supplies without modable cables AND limited case cooling, so upgrading with a new gpu that has low power draw, lower thermals, and a single 8pin connector while still maintaining decent performance hasn't been an option for them on these latest series of GPU's till now. Hopefully the AMD GPU's that drop in June provide similar options for competition.
I agree. Good point, I was looking at 6950 xt but i would have to upgrade my PSU if I did. So when I saw that this badboy is power efficient its my only option for an upgrade without having to change anything else
@@Mrhandyhitman Ya it's a bit of a niche case, but where this 4070 is the best tool for the job. Anyone who has a big enough PSU and enough cooling fans to make a better GPU work should buy something other than the 4070 (6800xt, 6950xt etc). The 4070 could have been a big seller at $500 or less. Seems like Nvidia is too greedy.
Interesting video. Actually ended up upgrading my 2070 with 9700k to a 4070 with 9700k. And about a week later I upgraded to 1440p. Glad I made the right choice
This video honestly just shows how good of a chip the 9700k was and still is. I´m rocking a 9700k paired with a recently acquired 3080 FE, and the uplift over my 2070 on 1440 is quite simply astonishing. CPU still not hitting 100% usage in the games I play. Absolutely amazing!
it is great but since forever you need a good GPU for gaming, testers always tried to create fake scenarios to showcase the gain of new cpus, while in fact 4 gen older cpu+mobo for 600 less dollars does like 10% less fps , who cares if its 220 or 200, the monitors cant display it anyway
THIS REVIEW is exactly what I needed to see, and what you DO NOT find on all the big name channels. They are literally censoring the amazing boost in performance using DLSS 3 available only on new RTX 4-series cards and compare the non-DLSS3 performance to 3080 which consumes almost double the watts and doesn't support DLSS 3.
who drops "$600" for one component, but still cares for the electricity cost? DLSS 3 is only for select games. Minuscule in numbers compared to number of available games, that's why rasterisation is king.
@@bobobobo1693 if the electricity cost can make a significant impact on the card over time, it should be considered. Also the games with DLSS 3 tend to be more popular than games without it.
@@thebcwonder4850 There is literally 30 games that supports DLSS 3 per Nvidia own website. Are you telling me 30 games is enough to justify it? Out of thousands of games people want to play, is 30 worth it? Regarding electricity, it really depends on where you live so i'm not going to argue about it further.
It's very expensive for a 70 tier and out of my budget. However I feel that such a performance lift, does puts it into the next tier so the whole 60, 70, 80 tier doesn't matter so much combined with no competition means Nvidia doing the obvious thing and taking full advantage of the situation. But I can see how some people who were in the 80 "tier" won't like having to buy a 70 tier GPU because it's lower but offers better performance.
As always with tech, you can always wait for the next thing that comes out and never really buy anything, but the rest of AMDs 7000 series cards haven't come out yet, and they could take a huge portion of the market if they undercut Nvidia, but they'll probably use the increased price that Nvidia has set to get a higher profit from their cards.
Thanks for thinking about what people actually upgrade from. I'm still rocking my 8600k and 2070 OC for the time being, but your review convinced me a GPU + 1440p monitor might be the smarter upgrade to come for me.
The i7-9700 been an 8 cores, it is not too bad. But my i5-9600K with 6 cores was a real bottleneck for even a modest 3070. Like in Spider-Man, the i5-9600K was putting a 65% load on the 3070. Thx from Mtl, good review!
laptop bga cpus. i recently made a system for about 250 bucks with a used z370i strix + QQLS ES 8c/16t chip that can most definately go 5ghz if i didnt slap a noctua l9i on it
With the 4060 coming out, I'm interested to see if the 4060 and 4060 Ti have the same benefits with fewer cores for those running older CPUs. I'd expect the 4060 Ti to at least match the performance of the 3070 in non-CPU-limited situations, but with 80+ games now supporting DLSS 3 it could be the killer feature for older PCs running 2xxx and 3xxx cards.
The best review of new hardware I have seen, lots of us are still running older hardware, so it was great to she what sort of performance boost we get by upgrading an older GPU to a new one and where the CPU might then become the bottleneck ...
i am not looking to do such drop in upgrades, but this is very good information for the relationship between current and old generations of graphic cards, as well as between gpu and cpu performances
I like this format of review. I very rarely upgrade year to year and seeing how a brand new card will handle my old processor is a big win for me. Thanks guys.
Thanks so much for making this video. I game at 1440p with a 10700k and I am getting a 4070. I was thinking about upgrading my CPU as well, but it seems like I don't need to.
Now this is a much preferred performance overview in real life application instead of benchmarks in a maxed system. Great job showing us the "upgrade old system" Vs "build a new system", thank you. PS: as someone on the European side of things, where prices always include tax, I just cannot get used to interpret correctly this US mrsp prices that are Excluding tax and make a direct correlation to what that means to me
Great video with excellent insight into older cpu and new GPU pairing. These in depth looks are hard to find and it really differentiate your channel from all the other launch materials.
@@SgtSeth I've only watched LTT's video and read the PCG article, but seeing that they all say the same thing about the card (including this vid), I feel like I'm well informed already. Also, what is specifically appreciated in this video, is the fact that they benchmark the card with an old cpu, as Pascal owners are the targeted market, likely still holding on an older cpu. But if you wanted them to mention team red, sure the 6800 and 6850 offer better performance for cheaper (plus "fine wine" drivers). Only unfortunate that they draw quite a lot more power and that the 4070 will probably get cheaper by Christmas, depending on the resellers.
@@Z2ombie5S then you weren't paying attention. LTT barely recommended any of the Nvidia 40 series cards. They admitted the cards are fast, but the performance to price wasn't as appealing as other cards. But, it's true about fools and money.
Yeah but we are talking about the 4070 only here right? And Linus did say that it is a really good card, only overpriced. That's why I mentioned that it might be on sale for Christmas with a bit a luck. Thus making it the best offering from Nvidia since the 10xx series.
4c/8t like 7700k and early Ryzen like 1600 would have been nice to include.
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This. This is exactly the content that I have been looking for. I have an 8086k and don't expect to to upgrade my system anytime soon. Still rocking my GTX 1080 and soon, I want to upgrade. RTX 4070 seems like the logical choice for my needs. Might get better value from a used 3000 series card, but then you have driver support and warranty possibly missing. Easy video like for me.
6950xt is like 40 bucks more and is way better than 4070 in everything except RT,but even 4070 with High settings RT sucks anyway so..BTW I have been a nvidia die hard user for 15+years. Not this time tho, they got waaaay too greedy.
@@adventtrooper I am sorry for being ignorant i didnt think of that at all. Where I live electricity is almost the same year around no matter how much you consume for normal things. Obviously If you start mining or something it's gonna go up but not anything extreme.
thank you so much for this video, best rtx 4070 review I've seen! I'm an i5 9600 and rtx 2070 user and this was so incredibly insightful and packed with useful information.
1070ti here and it's finally starting to show it's age in modern games at 1440p. still a great card and plays my favorite games flawlessly but the 4070 is peaking my interest.
Great video! I would love to see another one of these videos done for AMD (maybe 6900XT or 7900XT) with this same type of older hardware. Thanks I really enjoyed watching!
Yeah I agree (even though I don't know how many of us are left haha), those earlier CPUs were very different, before the focus shifted to the number of cores. I am still using my GTX1080 with an i7 7700k, and I have NO IDEA what to do... I am starting to think I should just wait 2-3 more years and buy a whole new PC all over again.
6700 (nonK) + 1060 here, been 7 years. After thinking about my upgrade path I will probably keep this as a secondary PC and just get a new PC altogether. Selling old parts is a pain in itself. If I want to upgrade right now I will need to upgrade everything, Mobo-CPU-GPU-Cooling, that's just a whole new PC pretty much.
This seems more like a sponsored sales pitch than a product review given the sheer mass of data that has come out about the 4070 and how it compares. Can you honestly say it is a "Good" upgrade path given the humorously low VRAM at $600 USD? At $499 USD, this would have made a slight bit of sense.
I’m gonna order a 4080 tomorrow and not have to worry about a gpu for years to come. I mostly play semi older games and world of Warcraft. Got a gts 1060 and it holds up surprisingly well with my 5600x oc and 32gb ram
I wanted this video after i got 4090 with my 9900k. Lets see how good is it ?(assuming video has it). Ok all about 4070. Time to dig deeper in the channel.
Best 4070 review. This is exactly what gamers need to see in a review of a mid tier graphics card. I'm on a i5 8400 with a 2070 and I play games at 1440p.
I've got a 4070 FE on order to drop into my 5820K/X99/64GB system, replacing its 8 year old GTX 970. At the moment, I'm using a 1920x1200 monitor, but I'm looking to upgrade to a 4K monitor (primarily for desktop use) but I don't want to have to use integer resolution scaling to upscale from 1920x1080 to 4K. I'm hoping this will work out well for me, until I get round to doing a CPU+Motherboard+Memory upgrade.
The 70 series used to be the sweet-spot / bargain card. In the 30-series it was the 3060 Ti. Looks like NVidia has moved to eliminate that from lineup, entirely.
12:20 I would also like to mention that DLSS 3 is a smoothing technology that gives you the feeling of high FPS without the accompanying benefit of reduced input lag
I gave my father my 8700 K when I upgraded. That processor was a golden ticket sample ran at 5.3 GHz for years on a 240. AIo never going over 80⁰c in normal use and with a saturated loop in prime 95 hitting 96⁰c. It wasn't even delided. I'm convinced in 1440P and 4K gaming. It is more than enough to keep up with modern graphics cards. And honestly I myself have a hard time seeing the difference over a 120fps anyways.
I feel like anything is fine as long as you have a plan. Without knowing the plan this exercise is silly other than saying GPU first. Like any GPU upgrade can make sense depending on resolution and how much later you plan on upgrading the CPU since I assume if they are asking which to upgrade first means they will upgrade both.
I'll never understand the notion of wanting a "70" series. Buy on performance, buy on looks, buy whatever you can afford. Don't get attached to an arbitrary number.
If latency doesn't improve with "increase" of "frames", as in DLSS3, isn't it quite pointless? I feel DLSS3 is an illusion. You're not getting _any_ more frames if that "frame" doesn't contain the results of your input. In other words, it's a trick, and people are buying it. I hope people don't start treating this $%*t as actual frames.
Definitely not. Look up "Can a Radeon GPU save this crappy CPU?" from Iceberg Tech if you want to see how poorly Nvidia GPUs still perform on older CPUs.
This type of video is needed much more than the "new everything" video. I just did this exact thing to my 8700 rig, 2018 HP Omen Obelisk. from a 2080. Its definitely smoother. I don't think I'm getting all of the 4070. But its very close, and im definitely getting all of the 8700 lol. Overall it's been an improvement. The TDP of 200w was perfect for me in not wanting to upgrade PSU just yet. The Asus dual OC 4070 was a perfect fit.
Thanks for this video. I'm still rocking the 9700K and playing on a 3440x1440 monitor so I'm just in the middle of 4K and 1440p gaming. Gonna buy a 4070 Super at some point from an outlet or used ✌🏻 Doing a complete swap when DDR5 becomes the new standard (so probably 1-2 CPU generations down the road).
I just built my nephew a pc with mostly older parts I had. The older parts I used were the: MSI Z690 MAG Tomahawk DDR4 WIFI/Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 2x8 3600/Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2tb/Corsair HX1000i/Corsair H150 XT RGB/Corsair K70/and a G600 Logitech mouse. I then went out and bought the intel i5-12400/Corsair 4000D Air/AOC 242GE monitor, and finally after looking over many options found a Gigabyte 2070 OC from a website for $200. I wish I could've gotten him a 3060ti but just didn't have the cash at the moment. Maybe in the future. I think he should be satisfied with this setup. I know I would be as a first ever PC.
realistically, it's more of a 60 class card priced as an 80. 4050 should be the upcoming 4060. Nvidia made the 4090 too much ahead of the rest of the lineup.
This video was very informative and helped me make a smart upgrade. I’ve been rocking an Asus Dual 1070 OC since late 2016. At that time I was using a 1080p monitor but two years ago I upgraded to a 1440p monitor and I’ve been struggling in titles, having to drop quality settings or worse having them become nearly unplayable like my favourite game Total Warhammer III. I purchased a Gigabyte 4070 Eagle OC yesterday along with a few other parts and from your benchmarks it looks as though I’ll be quite happy for years to come without having to take out a small loan to purchase a new GPU. Keep up the good work guys!!!
That's because you're doing it wrong...use NIS nvidia image scaling...it's the precursor to DLSS. You can render at a lower resolution and it will scale up to your native 2k. You'll get your framerates back.
I bought a used GTX 1080 for $375 back in 2019. I still don't run into much it can't handle at 1440p. I need a pretty major uplift in performance near that price to upgrade.
I've been rocking a i7-8700K & 1080 Ti setup since 2018. Held off ob GPU upgrades due to scalping, and availability. This 4070 at £590 has arrived at the right time for me.
Best PC hardware video I've seen in a long time! This gave some great info for those of us running older CPUs! Hope you will make a similar video in the future with the AMD GPUs as well!
Considering the recent price drops, I would definitely throw in some cards with larger vram buffers in, rx6700xt, rx 6800xt, rx 6900xt etc. These cards are all around the price range of the rtx 4070 and these cards won't get capped by the low amount of vram for recent titles: RE4 remake, Deadspace, Hogwart's Legacy, TLOU part 1, Forspoken, and Returnal all hit the 12gb wall at 1440p Ultra without RT. Personally, I think it's okay to upgrade parts out of sync given that you have to get a gpu that will last a few generations. In this video, your emphasis is on older cpus, AMD has more to offer as they have less driver overhead as shown by Hardware Unboxed. If the 4070 12gb drops down to maybe 499, then I would agree that this card is going to be competitive. As it stands now, a rx 6800 at $469USD makes a lot more sense given how it has the vram to push through modern triple AAA games and the lower base cost to put toward a faster cpu upgrade.
“Older CPUs like 9700ks” bro I literally have a 4670k still
Look at one of those dell optiplex upgrade videos and use the gpus used there for a good pairing
Then yours is considered a relic by comparison 😂
Still a good CPU. I am still on an X99 5820K rig with a GTX1070 :)
Stop being poor
im on a ryzen 1600x only because my 4670k mobo died and it was cheaper to buy a new mobo/cpu than a mobo for that chip. the 4670k was amazing, i had it OC'd to 4.5ghz stable for 3 years. still wish i had that over this ryzen.
I'm on a 2070 rn. I'd consider this upgrade when it's down around $400-450. $600 is just too steep for a 70-class card
Not just steep, but too much. $400 should be the normal MSRP.
I feel the same way, in Europe, the 4070 founders Edition costs 659€ including taxes.
I just bought a 3080 for 450 and someone else accepted an offer for 400
@@cowmath77 I based that off of former 70 class cards in the past that kept a linear price trajectory.
I can agree with you in terms of inflation and the overall economy being overheated, but there's also the fact that NVIDIA is also playing their customers given the fact that most people at the end of the day will choose an RTX card over what AMD offers, let alone Intel's Arc cards.
By the time this goes down to $400-450 we'll be deep into the 5000x series
It's pretty obvious by looking at the memory specs this was supposed to be a 4060/4060 ti
That's what it is.
Time to use air quotes! "4070".
I've been researching online for days now upgrading from a 1070 and this is the most useful, informative video I've come across! Thank you so much!
Same here. Exactly the info I was looking for.
I just got a 3070 off ebay for 320 bucks to replace my 1070ti. good deals are out there for the used market finally
Good luck bro, I been researching for like 1-2 months and still haven’t pulled the trigger on a new GpU lol. I just wanted to upgrade, like plug and play, now I’m considering an entire new build all together cuz I want them all 🤣🤣🤣. Im hard stuck on power draw with the 6950xt I’d need a new PsU too, same for the 7900xt as I’m prob not going to run a 750w even though it’s a gold rated Corsair RM model with that. The 6800xt would be fine but it’s hard not to just spend the extra $100 and get waaaaay more performance. The 4070 is super efficient but I’d at least get the Ti tbh. I also don’t wanna buy a 4070 for $600 when a 6950xt is the same price and more powerful, but it’s less efficient in terms of power draw lol. Anytbing below a 6800xt doesn’t make much sense for me with a 5700xt, I could get the 6800 but it’s like ok 50% gain for $500, why not spend $600 or $700 and get 100% gains. See where this has been leading me? The pricing is manipulative as hell rn imho, they are tryna fomo people into buying. So I’m just watching and will strike when I feel is necessary lol. Hope ya figured it out and didn’t go down the rabbit hole I did 🤣🤣
@@langamtimkulu6846 you could get a 6800xt new for cheaper but, why FB? Ya can get a 6950xt new for the same price about… again why FB?
@@doubleshot9448 Thanks. What cpu & mb you're planning to upgrade?
I got scammed for overspending on a 1000w seasonic psu when I ordered a prelab for my 1070 system years ago. Guess it paid off.
I bought my 4070 AORUS MASTER but couldn't slot it in place despite having enough room in my case.
Thank you so much for comparing on an older system, exactly what I needed. Running a 1070 and upgrading last year to a 1440p monitor then it really struggles! So this really helps show the benefits. And then, when next year, I upgrade the rest of my system, I also know what to expect. Just perfect!
Why aren’t more channels making totally logical content like this? If we’re struggling with the price of upgrades this year, it stands to reason we will upgrade just one component and not an entire $2000 pc. Good job!
Because they are living off of kids asking daddy to buy new parts. Creating totally hypotethical scenarios which does not apply to 99% of users. Dlss3+frame generation applies to less than 0,001% of users actually.
logical content doesn't get as much views. Click baity videos pay the bills. Look at youraverageconsumer , he's had that name for the longest time but 90% of the things he talks about on his channel are things that the real average consumer will never buy.
At the current prices, the 6900 XT and 6950 XT are better buys and their RT performance is close. At $500 or less the 4070 might have been a great buy. The only reason to get one over them is if the production features are important. And even then, there are other Nvidia cards that might be a better value.
I guess it depends if someone has to upgrade his PSU or not. And even if not....the difference in the power bill over two year might be also some to be considered. Nevertheless we need from both, AMD and nvidia ( and mabye even intel in the future) some serious backsteps in power-usage of GPUs. I guess there is a chance, at least we have seen this trend to just a bit more performance for way less power-usage trend in the cpu-field.
They can also just get a cheaper 6800, which was king of power efficiency last gen
@@Onkfrog This type of take is hilarious since the 6800XT performs equal or better outside NV bribed games, consumes the same power and costs 100€ less.
@@jebusnazareth1869 If "the same power" is 100W of difference then sure
@@GewelReal Right now, AMD GPUs get much better performance per watt than their NVidia "equivalent". Not to say that both companies couldn't do better when it comes to power efficiency, but AMD is currently leading in that regard.
Finally, a site that doesn’t leave the majority of users behind! I’m running an 8700K with a 2080 and I’ll save my money this gen and just build a new system in 2-3 years. I will be doing some overclocking in the meantime.
9700k isn't old, maybe 7700k and before is old
Watch out for folks still rocking their 2600k.
@@MegaManNeo The 2600K is one heck of a monster with amazing OC potential. The fact that people still have it is a testament to how good the Sandy Bridge architecture is.
@@MegaManNeomyself, with 4770k
"Older" ;)
@@WilczukPL Me too, ordered my 4070 today and no PS upgrade either. Going up from a 1060 3GB
On my older system I’m still rocking the 4770k and the legendary 1080ti. It still runs virtually every game at 1440p with really good frame rates. Don’t really need a 600 dollar plus card right now for this system.
I've been researching an entire system upgrade vs a drop-in card for about 6 months now - going back and forth. You confirmed my suspicion with this video that holding onto my i9900 based system for a few more years will work out best - and that this may be the final visual upgrade before investing in a new system. The next few years is going to solidify that thinking because we're RIGHT at the cusp of an important technological cycle, across all aspects of computing hardware.
Excellent video and I love your charts - why don't others do it your way? Keep up the great work!
We spent a ton of time on the charts
@@HardwareCanucks Loved them, thanks for the hard work!
Similar here... I'm running a i9-9900K with a EVGA 1660Ti XC. I'm usually on a 3-4 year upgrade cycle but given the chaos that was 2021/2022 I skipped 30 series. 40 series is extremely good on efficiency but the prices just make things dicey, especially since I was planning to give this rig to a friend and build a new one for myself.
$599 in the USA and almost a grand in Canada. No thanks lmao
The 6700xt came out in 2021 with 12gb vram and is set to last a few more years before it starts to become obsolete. Why on earth would you pay 600+ for a brand new card that only has 12gb vram and will also start to become constrained in a few years especially if you play at 1440p
Thank you so much for this! Other tech youtubers don't understand how important this kind of tests are for pc gamers without deep pockets.
I'm still running a i5-2500k with a gtx1060. With these current prices I'm staying with these antique parts XD
its never going to get better because theres idiots paying anything these days, better accept it and upgrade. Even a modern i3 will be a massive upgrade for you.
I'd love to see this done again with a 6700K
😬
Oh my.....we're gonna need to create a Patreon for all the man hours that's gonna take. Haha
I have a 6700k with a 3060Ti and the cpu is a bottleneck sometimes.
@@HardwareCanucks do it please man infact id say do it with one if each gen i7 past 2nd gen cause as your top comment shows, manny people are on 2nd gen to 7th gen not these newer setups and the reason is cause they understand pcs almost never pay for themselves and thats an issue cause payimg $500 to $1500 evety two years just is not feasible for the average consumer but paying that after 5 to 10 years actually makes sense.
@@erikbritz8095 I am also in the camp of wanting/needing to upgrade my PC soon, and will be getting a 6700 XT next month. And I've seen many like me with i7 6700K and also the GTX 1060. I just don't think the price to performance is worth it for these new expensive cards and generally other parts like mobos and such.
My brother is going to be upgrading this summer from i7 4790K and GTX 970.
My PC would be considered a relic by these standards. A 4790k paired with a Founders GTX 1080. Good enough to max most games I play at 1080p and handles 1440p fairly well if you adjust some settings. I think I'll sit still for another couple years
Currently rocking 6600k with 1070. I still think I need an overhaul.
Realistically, you want an AMD GPU for coupling with slower CPU because of the hardware scheduler. But the Rx 6600xt and below are with limited PCI-E lanes, so the lowest viable GPU for older CPUs is in fact a Rx 6700xt.
Good point, I remember someone making a video revealing that AMD GPU's tend to play more nicely with older/slower CPUs.
@@DesuVR but RDNA2 has a greater chance of terrible performance on older games. I learned this after going from 1070/1080/1080ti to 6600xt/6700xt/6900xt. RDNA2 acts like it’s massively bottlenecked in certain games. Minecraft for example runs the gpu much of the time at 500mhz while not even hitting 100fps at times. They act like lazy asleep cards in many older games. I currently have 9 RDNA2 cards in the house.
@@DesuVR That is, until you go down to Rx 6600XT or lower. I tried to pair a Rx 6600XT with i7 4770. Was horrible. Time to upgrade. Swapped that to a budget i3 12100f + budget Gigabyte MB. Solid experience.
@@45eno the MINECRAFT performance bug has been patched since about a month and it affected most AMD cards
A refreshing change from the plethora of high spec based reviews out there gents. Concise and nicely wrapped up. I don't think I've owned a top-tier card for about 15 years at least and have mostly stuck to 60-70 series cards since the GTX260-216, then 460, 560Ti, 960. Upgraded that to a 970 after getting my first 1440p monitor, then a 1060 when 4GB 'cough 3.5' wasn't enuff VRAM, then a 1070Ti and after it died during the pandemic a 3060 when a small shipment landed out of nowhere and was gone in 2 days. Of course I retired the trusty old 3770K for Ryzen in 2020 so the depicted scenario doesn't exactly apply to me but it's useful info nonetheless. As I currently run a UW1440p rez I'm only interested in 12GB cards and above but I'm in agreement with iiprovisionii4662 in the comments, $600 ($800 Cdn) is just too much. NVidia better stop drinking their own koolaid. Thanks for the vid.
Nice informative video and useful to a lot of people. I'm rocking a 970 with a i7-6700K and I used to upgrade my graphics card every 2 or 3 generation but got stuck not wanting to pay the covid tax for the 3070. I was getting very excited by the 4070 as it was looking more reasonable but now I might be looking towards ATI as there are currently a couple of games that need a min of 12GB of vram and I think in a couple of years time I think 16GB of vram would be essential. Nvidia has skimp out on vram. Also there is a 20/30% performance increase over last generation but there is also a similar price increase so they are not passing along savings and going against Murphy's law.
Nothing is as easy as it looks. Everything takes longer than you think. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. - Murphy
Going against Murphy's law is a bless! Going against Moore's law is sad :(
@@miko19r whoopsie, getting my Murphy and Moore mixed up.
I'm kinda on the fence with this one, I have a r7 3700x and I feel like this card might be a nice pairing at 1440p. This was just the video I wanted to see, many thanks :)
These are the types of videos we need to see …. Preferably before the gpus video continues into top pc parts benchmark mode (32gb dual channel ddr5 7600mt/s, 13900ks, RTX 4090 bench testing rig) for the max performance which can be obtained like what is typically shown by all reviewers of cpu / GPU launches.
Consumers can see if the shown upgrade is really relevant to them or not and upgrade something else for better performance.
1080p - medium settings - 30fps
When I can't get that, it's time to upgrade my 1070.
Seems it will be great for years to come.
It saves me a lot of money to come from era where there were no 3D-cards and 320x240 and 20fps was great. Now 1080p and 60fps is a dream.
Was planning to upgrade my 2060 to the 3080 for that 12gb of vram, but this is cheaper and much more power efficient
I like this review approach. Very well put together video HC. The price of the RTX4070 might look steep but if you factor in that it does not draw a lot of power and if you have an aging power supply it might be the best drop in upgrade.
This is what I'm considering, the fact that I could get 3080 performance and just drop it into my system is very tempting. The 4070 would kill on my 2560x1080 monitor and I don't have to buy anything else. Any other option requires at least a PSU upgrade.
@@idbest73 Exactly! I currently have an RTX 2060, this would be a big upgrade for me. But I'm going to wait a bit to see what AMD's response will be. Hopefully it will drive the price down a little bit.
yea and for even older PC's people should wait for 4060. It will probably be really efficient
Really it is I was using a 1650 4gig and just jumped to 4070 12gig so atleast for me its an astronomical upgrade but with that low power usage it's amazing .
My i7 9700k has already seen 3 gpu upgrades ever since I built the system on it's premiere: from 2060- through a 2070 Super...to an 3080 ti I got 4 months ago for around $600 (and which still is faster than the 4070😅) - Not once did it feel like it was an old cpu- playing at 1440p, high/ultra settings, DLSS quality on a 1440p 144hz monitor- and all games are buttery amooth with freesync on- love this cpu- not to mention my rig is like double the performance of my ps5:) planning an upgrade to the 14th gen intel and rtx 5000 series when the time comes- great video dude❤ a reasonable take on the frantic cpu race of the past few years
that is why good shops recommend even i3 cpus with expensive gpus if you just game in highres
This is the sort of testing most gamer want, imo. Most of us update don't update our components every two years.
Nvidia isn't great for older CPUs. D GPUs have a hardware command processor which greatly reduces driver CPU overhead. AMD GPUs can use more of their full power with an older GPU for that reason while Nvidia can't.
Can you develop a bit more? It's the first time I hear about it.
@@RockstarRomania Hardware Unboxed made a video about it. I think it’s titled “AMD CPU headroom” or something like that.
Older gaming PCs have older weaker CPUs. If high refresh rates and framerates are the target, Nvidia cards are a bad choice considering their CPU overhead. If you have a weak CPU you gotta go AMD. The difference is often upto a ~23% more fps headroom with AMD GPUs
yep that is partly why 4070 is dead on arrival for anyone with brains til its not at 400 dollars or actually using the cuda cores for work
Thank you guys. This video is exactly what I needed. I have a 9700k and will be looking to get a 4070 but was unsure as to the extent of the bottleneck of my cpu. You guys have really helped me make my decision without any doubt.
I have an 8400 and I've been eyeing the 4070.
This video just solidified that I'm getting one. I know the 8400 is tons slower than a 9700/8700 but it's close enough that I can imagine the performance I'll be getting (maybe the 3070+9700 one).
Thanks for this very informative and 'inclusive' video.
Just a note here: a lot of people are going to be considering the 3060 12GB in this comparison as well due to cost considerations.
Brilliant review. You guys are doing what the other channels always fail to do. Real world scenarios ❤️
They are comparing 1070 to 4070, it's a 6 year old card.
This review was just sponsored by Nvidia.
BS. We would have called out the sponsorship. We're comparing an upgrade path a lot of people with previous 70-series cards are likely considering.
@@HardwareCanucks I think Linus is trolling your comments section 🤣
@@HardwareCanucks that's even worse... you are doing NVIDIA's marketing for free.
did not even add a single AMD GPU to the chart
Sad the 70 class gpu costs much more than my whole PC back then. Found some great deals and my whole PC ended up $414. 2700x +GTX 1070. Still I'll wait until the gpu goes on sale
That Shin Godzilla in the background is *chef's kiss*
Excellent point of view.
comparing a new GPU with old hardware.
and bringing the importance of upgrading more than just the GPU if you don't want to leave some performance on the table.
this also demonstrates how it's important to get a solid CPU if you plan to upgrade your GPU in the coming years.
Mike this was a great angle to take on the upgrade path and the only real place that the 4070 shines against the competition imo. Lots of people with older budget desktop computers in this range have lower wattage power supplies without modable cables AND limited case cooling, so upgrading with a new gpu that has low power draw, lower thermals, and a single 8pin connector while still maintaining decent performance hasn't been an option for them on these latest series of GPU's till now. Hopefully the AMD GPU's that drop in June provide similar options for competition.
I agree. Good point, I was looking at 6950 xt but i would have to upgrade my PSU if I did. So when I saw that this badboy is power efficient its my only option for an upgrade without having to change anything else
@@Mrhandyhitman Ya it's a bit of a niche case, but where this 4070 is the best tool for the job. Anyone who has a big enough PSU and enough cooling fans to make a better GPU work should buy something other than the 4070 (6800xt, 6950xt etc). The 4070 could have been a big seller at $500 or less. Seems like Nvidia is too greedy.
Interesting video. Actually ended up upgrading my 2070 with 9700k to a 4070 with 9700k. And about a week later I upgraded to 1440p. Glad I made the right choice
This video honestly just shows how good of a chip the 9700k was and still is. I´m rocking a 9700k paired with a recently acquired 3080 FE, and the uplift over my 2070 on 1440 is quite simply astonishing. CPU still not hitting 100% usage in the games I play. Absolutely amazing!
it is great but since forever you need a good GPU for gaming, testers always tried to create fake scenarios to showcase the gain of new cpus, while in fact 4 gen older cpu+mobo for 600 less dollars does like 10% less fps , who cares if its 220 or 200, the monitors cant display it anyway
It would be good to provide test locations. In CPU heavy scenario it may not be so good especially when it comes to frametime stability.
THIS REVIEW is exactly what I needed to see, and what you DO NOT find on all the big name channels. They are literally censoring the amazing boost in performance using DLSS 3 available only on new RTX 4-series cards and compare the non-DLSS3 performance to 3080 which consumes almost double the watts and doesn't support DLSS 3.
Most of their viewers would hate them for emphasizing DLSS 3
who drops "$600" for one component, but still cares for the electricity cost? DLSS 3 is only for select games. Minuscule in numbers compared to number of available games, that's why rasterisation is king.
so DLSS 3 works in every single of the thousands of games on PC?
@@bobobobo1693 if the electricity cost can make a significant impact on the card over time, it should be considered. Also the games with DLSS 3 tend to be more popular than games without it.
@@thebcwonder4850 There is literally 30 games that supports DLSS 3 per Nvidia own website. Are you telling me 30 games is enough to justify it? Out of thousands of games people want to play, is 30 worth it?
Regarding electricity, it really depends on where you live so i'm not going to argue about it further.
It's very expensive for a 70 tier and out of my budget. However I feel that such a performance lift, does puts it into the next tier so the whole 60, 70, 80 tier doesn't matter so much combined with no competition means Nvidia doing the obvious thing and taking full advantage of the situation.
But I can see how some people who were in the 80 "tier" won't like having to buy a 70 tier GPU because it's lower but offers better performance.
As always with tech, you can always wait for the next thing that comes out and never really buy anything, but the rest of AMDs 7000 series cards haven't come out yet, and they could take a huge portion of the market if they undercut Nvidia, but they'll probably use the increased price that Nvidia has set to get a higher profit from their cards.
Thanks for thinking about what people actually upgrade from. I'm still rocking my 8600k and 2070 OC for the time being, but your review convinced me a GPU + 1440p monitor might be the smarter upgrade to come for me.
The i7-9700 been an 8 cores, it is not too bad. But my i5-9600K with 6 cores was a real bottleneck for even a modest 3070. Like in Spider-Man, the i5-9600K was putting a 65% load on the 3070.
Thx from Mtl, good review!
Upgrade to 9900(K). Used 9900nonK is the safest bet.
Also no hyper-threading
@@tidjane2001 i9 9900 8cores 16threads
@@andrascsajtay6356 True
laptop bga cpus. i recently made a system for about 250 bucks with a used z370i strix + QQLS ES 8c/16t chip that can most definately go 5ghz if i didnt slap a noctua l9i on it
Have been waiting for tech UA-camrs to provide some information on where to draw the lines on CPU and GPU combos. Good work!
With the 4060 coming out, I'm interested to see if the 4060 and 4060 Ti have the same benefits with fewer cores for those running older CPUs. I'd expect the 4060 Ti to at least match the performance of the 3070 in non-CPU-limited situations, but with 80+ games now supporting DLSS 3 it could be the killer feature for older PCs running 2xxx and 3xxx cards.
Still remember reading your HD 5870 review way back when. Better times for GPU pricing for sure.
The best review of new hardware I have seen, lots of us are still running older hardware, so it was great to she what sort of performance boost we get by upgrading an older GPU to a new one and where the CPU might then become the bottleneck ...
Now try explaining that to hardware unboxed. Impossible task.
i am not looking to do such drop in upgrades, but this is very good information for the relationship between current and old generations of graphic cards, as well as between gpu and cpu performances
I like this format of review. I very rarely upgrade year to year and seeing how a brand new card will handle my old processor is a big win for me. Thanks guys.
Thanks so much for making this video. I game at 1440p with a 10700k and I am getting a 4070. I was thinking about upgrading my CPU as well, but it seems like I don't need to.
Now this is a much preferred performance overview in real life application instead of benchmarks in a maxed system. Great job showing us the "upgrade old system" Vs "build a new system", thank you.
PS: as someone on the European side of things, where prices always include tax, I just cannot get used to interpret correctly this US mrsp prices that are Excluding tax and make a direct correlation to what that means to me
Great video with excellent insight into older cpu and new GPU pairing. These in depth looks are hard to find and it really differentiate your channel from all the other launch materials.
Exactly my thoughts! Way to go @HardwareCanucks 👍
Its not a great video. They just spoonfed you the Nvidia company marketing. Broaden your search and check out other videos.
@@SgtSeth I've only watched LTT's video and read the PCG article, but seeing that they all say the same thing about the card (including this vid), I feel like I'm well informed already.
Also, what is specifically appreciated in this video, is the fact that they benchmark the card with an old cpu, as Pascal owners are the targeted market, likely still holding on an older cpu.
But if you wanted them to mention team red, sure the 6800 and 6850 offer better performance for cheaper (plus "fine wine" drivers). Only unfortunate that they draw quite a lot more power and that the 4070 will probably get cheaper by Christmas, depending on the resellers.
@@Z2ombie5S then you weren't paying attention. LTT barely recommended any of the Nvidia 40 series cards. They admitted the cards are fast, but the performance to price wasn't as appealing as other cards. But, it's true about fools and money.
Yeah but we are talking about the 4070 only here right? And Linus did say that it is a really good card, only overpriced. That's why I mentioned that it might be on sale for Christmas with a bit a luck.
Thus making it the best offering from Nvidia since the 10xx series.
Great video, thanks Mike!
4c/8t like 7700k and early Ryzen like 1600 would have been nice to include.
This. This is exactly the content that I have been looking for. I have an 8086k and don't expect to to upgrade my system anytime soon. Still rocking my GTX 1080 and soon, I want to upgrade. RTX 4070 seems like the logical choice for my needs. Might get better value from a used 3000 series card, but then you have driver support and warranty possibly missing. Easy video like for me.
if you are only into gaming, i recommend amd radeon rx 6800 xt for a bit cheaper. I have a 6700 xt and it’s great.
6950xt is like 40 bucks more and is way better than 4070 in everything except RT,but even 4070 with High settings RT sucks anyway so..BTW I have been a nvidia die hard user for 15+years. Not this time tho, they got waaaay too greedy.
@@britzolas Check the power consumption; in my case a 6950XT would be roughly £75 extra a year on electricity.
@@adventtrooper I am sorry for being ignorant i didnt think of that at all. Where I live electricity is almost the same year around no matter how much you consume for normal things. Obviously If you start mining or something it's gonna go up but not anything extreme.
the 6800 also sips power for the performance and it's dirt cheap used
thank you so much for this video, best rtx 4070 review I've seen! I'm an i5 9600 and rtx 2070 user and this was so incredibly insightful and packed with useful information.
About time we get a video like this!!! Thanks!
Wow this video was extremely helpful, really, thanks man
I'm still using my 1070
My friend bought a 1070 for $90. Honestly a steal
@@BrendenPragasam very strong card still
@@BrendenPragasam that is sweet
1070ti here and it's finally starting to show it's age in modern games at 1440p. still a great card and plays my favorite games flawlessly but the 4070 is peaking my interest.
Me too, it sucks being poor.
This is one of the most helpful reviews I have seen, for straight answers, and information you need. Thank you very much.
Great video! I would love to see another one of these videos done for AMD (maybe 6900XT or 7900XT) with this same type of older hardware. Thanks I really enjoyed watching!
I am with most that came to this video, still running a 1070 founders edition. Thank you for making a video directed to most gamers out there
What did you expect? The 9700K was lauched yeasterday. My i7 6700K, now that is an old CPU which would be interesting to see some tests.
Yeah I agree (even though I don't know how many of us are left haha), those earlier CPUs were very different, before the focus shifted to the number of cores.
I am still using my GTX1080 with an i7 7700k, and I have NO IDEA what to do... I am starting to think I should just wait 2-3 more years and buy a whole new PC all over again.
@@NiceB4dge1070 + 7700K here, 6 year old combo. Will very likely have to upgrade them together or risk bottlenecks.
@@NiceB4dge Yeah I had a 1070 but got a mining 3070 for $300. I guess next gen is finally time for an upgrade to like a 8800X3D and RTX 5080
6700 (nonK) + 1060 here, been 7 years. After thinking about my upgrade path I will probably keep this as a secondary PC and just get a new PC altogether. Selling old parts is a pain in itself. If I want to upgrade right now I will need to upgrade everything, Mobo-CPU-GPU-Cooling, that's just a whole new PC pretty much.
Not at that price.
Knowing Hardware Canucks films from Montreal makes me so happy!
This was EXACTLY what I wanted to know! 50 thumbs up! Good job!
This seems more like a sponsored sales pitch than a product review given the sheer mass of data that has come out about the 4070 and how it compares. Can you honestly say it is a "Good" upgrade path given the humorously low VRAM at $600 USD? At $499 USD, this would have made a slight bit of sense.
12GB is now humourously low for a non-flagship card? At this level you'll almost ALWAYS be limited by GPU processing horsepower and not VRAM at 12GB.
@@HardwareCanucks the 3060 has 12GB of VRAM at $330 MSRP...
6700XT was $480 MSRP
tier doesn't matter, PRICING does
I’m gonna order a 4080 tomorrow and not have to worry about a gpu for years to come. I mostly play semi older games and world of Warcraft. Got a gts 1060 and it holds up surprisingly well with my 5600x oc and 32gb ram
How much is that 4080?
@@IVIRnathanreilly about $1250
Honestly linus had a good take on this. Buy a midrange gpu and cpu today, you're gonna have a better more balanced experience
I wouldn't recommend getting a 4080. I'd recommend a 7900XT, 6800XT, or 6950XT as it's a better value. Ngreedia pricing ain't it.
i like the idea of future proofing, but with your main choice of games i would get a different high end card with lower power draw
Watching this on my current 3080 rig knowing I’ll be watching a similar video in about 5-7 years
I wanted this video after i got 4090 with my 9900k. Lets see how good is it ?(assuming video has it). Ok all about 4070. Time to dig deeper in the channel.
Best 4070 review. This is exactly what gamers need to see in a review of a mid tier graphics card. I'm on a i5 8400 with a 2070 and I play games at 1440p.
I’m i5 8600k 2080 and I play everything in 1440p do we need to update our cpu tho???
I've got a 4070 FE on order to drop into my 5820K/X99/64GB system, replacing its 8 year old GTX 970. At the moment, I'm using a 1920x1200 monitor, but I'm looking to upgrade to a 4K monitor (primarily for desktop use) but I don't want to have to use integer resolution scaling to upscale from 1920x1080 to 4K. I'm hoping this will work out well for me, until I get round to doing a CPU+Motherboard+Memory upgrade.
The 70 series used to be the sweet-spot / bargain card. In the 30-series it was the 3060 Ti. Looks like NVidia has moved to eliminate that from lineup, entirely.
9700k: "Older CPU"
Me, with my 7700k: 👁👄👁
That's why I didn't say "old"
Me still using FM 2+ ....
12:20 I would also like to mention that DLSS 3 is a smoothing technology that gives you the feeling of high FPS without the accompanying benefit of reduced input lag
this man loves the number 70s
Yup!
I gave my father my 8700 K when I upgraded. That processor was a golden ticket sample ran at 5.3 GHz for years on a 240. AIo never going over 80⁰c in normal use and with a saturated loop in prime 95 hitting 96⁰c. It wasn't even delided. I'm convinced in 1440P and 4K gaming. It is more than enough to keep up with modern graphics cards. And honestly I myself have a hard time seeing the difference over a 120fps anyways.
I feel like anything is fine as long as you have a plan. Without knowing the plan this exercise is silly other than saying GPU first. Like any GPU upgrade can make sense depending on resolution and how much later you plan on upgrading the CPU since I assume if they are asking which to upgrade first means they will upgrade both.
This style of video "review" is spot on for a mid-range GPU. We all budget conscious here in the missing middle!! Thx guys
Sounds good expect that 4070 is a 4060 in fact and for the price of a 1080 :D
I'll never understand the notion of wanting a "70" series. Buy on performance, buy on looks, buy whatever you can afford. Don't get attached to an arbitrary number.
If latency doesn't improve with "increase" of "frames", as in DLSS3, isn't it quite pointless? I feel DLSS3 is an illusion. You're not getting _any_ more frames if that "frame" doesn't contain the results of your input. In other words, it's a trick, and people are buying it. I hope people don't start treating this $%*t as actual frames.
Definitely not. Look up "Can a Radeon GPU save this crappy CPU?" from Iceberg Tech if you want to see how poorly Nvidia GPUs still perform on older CPUs.
This type of video is needed much more than the "new everything" video. I just did this exact thing to my 8700 rig, 2018 HP Omen Obelisk. from a 2080. Its definitely smoother. I don't think I'm getting all of the 4070. But its very close, and im definitely getting all of the 8700 lol. Overall it's been an improvement. The TDP of 200w was perfect for me in not wanting to upgrade PSU just yet. The Asus dual OC 4070 was a perfect fit.
Really interesting point of view.
Great work as always!
Thanks for this video. I'm still rocking the 9700K and playing on a 3440x1440 monitor so I'm just in the middle of 4K and 1440p gaming. Gonna buy a 4070 Super at some point from an outlet or used ✌🏻
Doing a complete swap when DDR5 becomes the new standard (so probably 1-2 CPU generations down the road).
I just built my nephew a pc with mostly older parts I had. The older parts I used were the: MSI Z690 MAG Tomahawk DDR4 WIFI/Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 2x8 3600/Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2tb/Corsair HX1000i/Corsair H150 XT RGB/Corsair K70/and a G600 Logitech mouse.
I then went out and bought the intel i5-12400/Corsair 4000D Air/AOC 242GE monitor, and finally after looking over many options found a Gigabyte 2070 OC from a website for $200. I wish I could've gotten him a 3060ti but just didn't have the cash at the moment. Maybe in the future. I think he should be satisfied with this setup. I know I would be as a first ever PC.
its like you read my mind and knew my specs. Great video guys!
I have a Intel Xeon E5-1630 v3, will it be a good idea to upgrade to a RX6650xt or something like that?
This is a 50 class card marketed as a 70 class card, priced as a 80 class card.
realistically, it's more of a 60 class card priced as an 80. 4050 should be the upcoming 4060. Nvidia made the 4090 too much ahead of the rest of the lineup.
I'm thinking on upgrading my Queen 1060 6gb to this 4070, looks really promising, I hope to get it here in Colombia with a good price. Nice Video
This video was very informative and helped me make a smart upgrade. I’ve been rocking an Asus Dual 1070 OC since late 2016. At that time I was using a 1080p monitor but two years ago I upgraded to a 1440p monitor and I’ve been struggling in titles, having to drop quality settings or worse having them become nearly unplayable like my favourite game Total Warhammer III. I purchased a Gigabyte 4070 Eagle OC yesterday along with a few other parts and from your benchmarks it looks as though I’ll be quite happy for years to come without having to take out a small loan to purchase a new GPU.
Keep up the good work guys!!!
That's because you're doing it wrong...use NIS nvidia image scaling...it's the precursor to DLSS. You can render at a lower resolution and it will scale up to your native 2k. You'll get your framerates back.
I bought a used GTX 1080 for $375 back in 2019. I still don't run into much it can't handle at 1440p. I need a pretty major uplift in performance near that price to upgrade.
I've been rocking a i7-8700K & 1080 Ti setup since 2018. Held off ob GPU upgrades due to scalping, and availability. This 4070 at £590 has arrived at the right time for me.
Best PC hardware video I've seen in a long time! This gave some great info for those of us running older CPUs! Hope you will make a similar video in the future with the AMD GPUs as well!
At this point with the economic problem my country has I might as well start begging for a pc
Il loved this kind of review ! It s real field point of vue.
A very informative video! that answered a lot of questions for me.
Considering the recent price drops, I would definitely throw in some cards with larger vram buffers in, rx6700xt, rx 6800xt, rx 6900xt etc. These cards are all around the price range of the rtx 4070 and these cards won't get capped by the low amount of vram for recent titles: RE4 remake, Deadspace, Hogwart's Legacy, TLOU part 1, Forspoken, and Returnal all hit the 12gb wall at 1440p Ultra without RT. Personally, I think it's okay to upgrade parts out of sync given that you have to get a gpu that will last a few generations. In this video, your emphasis is on older cpus, AMD has more to offer as they have less driver overhead as shown by Hardware Unboxed. If the 4070 12gb drops down to maybe 499, then I would agree that this card is going to be competitive. As it stands now, a rx 6800 at $469USD makes a lot more sense given how it has the vram to push through modern triple AAA games and the lower base cost to put toward a faster cpu upgrade.
yep at this point in time 6800/xt is the best upgrade agree, a 6950 would need psu upgrade for the average old midrange machines