Canes Acquire Guentzel from the Penguins for Bunting, Prospects and Picks
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
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Jake is truly one of the best Penguins of all time and always will be. A clutch player and a rock for this organization. 58 points in 58 playoff games. I wish him nothing but the absolute best. Thank you for all of the memories, Jake. Go get another one.
I’ve been lucky to see my Pens win 3 Cups during my life. Now is the time to regroup and rebuild - look to the future. An era over, but certainly not wasted.
Ive watched all 5 of the penguins cups. I was 10 years old when they won the first one in 1991, and ive seen every single one since
Pens will clear cap space and resign him in the offseason.. Also Guentzel is a fantastic player but I wouldn't even call him a top 10 penguins, which says a lot about the history of the organization
@@TheLastSamurai813Possible but unlikely. He will go to the highest bidder in the offseason. Doubt that will be Pittsburgh.
@@jayvardy If the Pens free up a lot of cap space this offseason and he wants to come back he will come back.. It won't even go to bidding. If they get somehow get rid of Malkin, Karlsson or even Letang anything is possible
@@TheLastSamurai813 Letang and Malkin are retiring in Pittsburgh
Fair price if he’s a rental.
A fabulous price if they extend him (or obviously win it all in either case).
I hate giving up Ponomarev a lot but I'm just happy we actually made a move at the deadline
100% with you, love pono. Pens are gonna love that kid and he’s got top 6 upside and is at least going to be a hell of a middle 6 forward.
@@JeremysPointOfView Ponomarev is basically Svech at Center. Hate the deal because he is a part of it. Would have loved the deal if it was Drury instead. Always felt Pono or Suzuki should be there instead of Drury.
I agree as well. I enjoyed seeing Ponomarev play and was looking forward to him developing. I haven’t been a big Drury fan in the past, but I’ve definitely come around on him this season. Quality work ethic and a think a smart player.
@@dealy9268that’s a very bold take
Also.. Cruz Lucius, what a name!
Are you not entertained?!
i assume he's the brother of chaz lucius, a well-thought-of prospect in the jets system.
Chaz Lucius sounds better
WE FINALLY DID IT. The Canes finally made The Move, and I am STOKED.
This is certainly a Dubas trade. He LOVES his guys. He needed Bunting back on his team.
Why didn't he just sign Bunting last offseason when he was a UFA? He traded a 2nd for bum Reilly Smith and passed on Bunting. Next, he traded our best wing for nothing. UFA Bunting was free last offseason to aquire. NOW IT'S A DUBAS TRADE.
Dubas is joke
Dub@$$ is a fraud
At first I was like is that what THG's handwriting looks like in lower case!? Then I realized Yvonne must have helped set this board up?
I like this deal as a canes fan and penguins sympathizer. Pens get some solid B prospects + a familiar face in bunting(familiar to Dubas) and canes get the big fish for playoff scoring. Hate to see Vasili Ponomarev go but as tight knit of a locker room that Carolina is, this trade both upgrades us and keeps our tight knit group intact seeing as this was buntings first szn with the Canes.
Really truly worth it if canes resign Jake.
Ponomarev is a solid A prospect. He is NHL ready. Probably better than three of the Canes centers. I would have rather sent Drury or KK to Pitt. Staal has declined big time this year.
The fact that Adamn Henrique pulled a first round pick, but the best playoff scorer on the market could only pull a second(First if Carolina's curse ends) is crazy
The Hurricanes gave up 3 prospects that were ranked 6-10 in their system though. The Oilers didn't give up any prospects to get Henrique. Nobody knows if any of the guys the Hurricanes traded will pan out, but there's a big reason why it was only a conditional 1st rounder.
There are 3 separate 2nd round equivalents in the trade, calling it only a second is very disingenuous. Lucius has also performed far above the expectation of a 4th round pick, he's got the same points and more goals in the same number of games as Issac Howard. Howard was 31st overall in the same draft as Lucius. You can argue whether it's better to have a late first or 3 middle 2nd's, but claiming the returns are one first versus one second is just not true.
Pens are focusing on talent as not much point putting high hopes in a 1st rounder as teams pushing for him are going for the cup so likely a 28-32 overall pick isn't much better than a 2nd rounder
I think its a fair return as a pens fan. He wasnt going to resign and this is better than losing him for nothing, plus we desperately need any prospects we can get
I hope Pittsburgh get are first & fifth round picks this year.
Go Canes!
From your lips to God's ears. This was a good trade for you, doesn't mean it's bad for us.
Thank you Hockey Guy! You always come through for us!
Good luck jake I wish him all the best!!!🙏🏾🙏🏾
Finally the Canes actually did something they needed to do a long time ago, get a another star Winger.
Acceptable for the Penguins only because Jake becomes a UFA
If PIT somehow make the playoffs (NJ, NYI and yes even the Caps who just blew them out are no more than 3 pts in front of em and they have played less), those who were okay with sending away Guentzel will eat their words. Although I'm glad that Sam Poulin is finally producing the way he should and more in the AHL and should be called up in the circumstances, the guy's been unlucky with injuries and other issues, he's gonna be 100% ready for NHL action next year. I just can't believe one of the teams that gives the least goals (Pittsburgh) with the goalie who has the most shutouts this season....thing is, all their other goal scorers other than Crosby/Malkin have been injured at different times of the year, some multiple times (Rust), Rackell took a while to get going, I think Rust getting injured right after Jake was what made the team decide to trade Guentzel even if they didn't get anyone near his caliber in return (immediately).
This one hurts as a pens fan :(
Better get use to it
My young Pen fans, you don't know hurt.. Try being a Pens fan during the time they traded Jagr to the Caps.
Yeah as a pens fan it hurts but they had to do it
It hurt as a Rangers fan, too ☹️
All ive heard for the last 5 years from pens fans is that, "The pens need a player like Patric Holmqvist". Bunting is that type. He provides an edge, is skilled, and will score dirty goals in the crease. The pens are too easy to play against and need a spark.
Honestly, I can't be happier with today. This is what the big boys do sometimes. Canes have so many magic beans in our farm system. If they think a player like Guentzel is a long-term fit, now's the time to scatter some of them to try him out. I love this.
That being said, I don't think that the trade was nearly the fleece that some Pittsburgh fans think it is. Koivunen has second-line upside if he hits but has a low floor because of some skating concerns relative to size. Ponomaryov is very likely going to be either a 3rd line center or a very good 4th line center in the NHL. Lucius is a total wild-card who probably will just be an AHLer but could be something good. Bunting is flippable for a 1st or 2nd round level return in 2 seasons. They did very well themselves. The conditional 2nd is underwhelming in that the highest it can be is 31st overall, but considering how large that prospect package is, it's not bad.
wow , i think VP's ceiling is higher than that. why are you so low on him? but if he doesn't pan out, the pens just traded quality for quantity.
@@doaftheloafagreed. Ponomarev looked great his two games with the Canes.
As a pens fan ill apologize for all the entitled crosby era fans... Im not sure how much more they were expecting in return considering if Jake goes into the offseason they lose him for nothing...
@@andrewchristie2970But you couldn't keep him, he was gonna sign at a contender anyway. You didn't lose anything in the trade and got a bunch of great prospects.
This might be a good move for the pens. Hear me out. Although we didn’t get much besides 3 mid prospects (Ponomarev & Koivunen look decent) and a 2nd rd(potential 1st.) and a conditional 5th. Our SJS is top 10 protected. Loosing Guentzle will help us tank. And we could potentially get 2 1st rounders (one in the top 10) and a 1st if Carolina wins the cup.
Then, we could re sign Guentzle; and if we do . We won the trade. I’m kinda upset we moved on from Smith. The guy was only 23 and still had a lot of skill and potential. He led the farm team in scoring as a defenseman.
Thanks for everything Jake Guentzel! Good luck in Carolina!
Wonder what Crosby is thinking after tonight
"Man, Im so very lucky to have made many millions, won 3 cups, and even played this long with my early history of concussions."
I would imagine.
If Carolina doesn't resign Jake, the Penguins will have definitely won this trade, I've been following all the canes prospects and I like all those guys.
If Jake leaves but the Canes win the cup they still win the trade
@@gsinemedia It's win-win at that point.
He'll probably resign in Chicago or Anaheim for serious money
@@roffew.1065More than likely. Canes are weird about paying players
@@Hal-yc9jd Don is a conservative GM...he doesnt like to overpay for anything....this trade tells me Don thinks carolina has a shot. Don waddell pulled out the wallet and that doesnt happen often. Carolina didnt over pay, they are just betting on themselves.
Really hard to feel like we (Canes) overpaid...every pundit and their brother has been saying we needed a guy like this, and we got him without wrecking ourselves. I'm not nearly knowledgeable enough to grade it myself, but I feel like the average fan will be thrilled by this.
Canes did fine...The only thing they honestly gave up thats worth anything currently is Bunting....and he wasnt even with the team for a year. I was thinking Necas/Jarvis was gone for sure. so glad I was wrong.
Only if he is a rental.
I feel like people who say we (Canes) fleeced Pittsburgh aren't familiar with the prospects we have. Generally the Canes have done well drafting and developing players in the AHL who become regulars in NHL.
Those conditions are huge on the picks. If the Canes meet either condition I'm totally good with losing more though!
So glad Canucks passed on this and don't need to talk about it anymore.
me too, I was cringing at the thought of what they were going to have to give up for a rental.
Lekkermerimaki is too good to give up.
Same as a Rangers fan
You're glad? This is so cheap, Pens never wanted to deal sith NYR, Canucks were literally there but this was "too high". Go sign Kessel. 😂😂
Depends if he walks after this season to free agency
Guentzel told me he will resign with Penguins in offseason!
Glad both of them staying in the eastern 👍😎
Carolina is officially ALL IN.
Still lack toughness
Toffoli to Canucks tomorrow please!'
imagine being erik karlsson and seeing timo get traded, go to pitt and see guentzel traded his first year with the team lol
Wow. What a trade for Carolina.
As a Caniac, I love this trade.
I think Guentzel was worth more but unlikely teams would have offered more.
Bunting is the exact kind of player Pittsburgh needs. He’s young, can finish and gets under the opposition’s skin. Pittsburgh didn’t have a player who will screen the goalie and clean up the loose puck - like Hyman and Horvat.
But I still want Guentzel to return. I hope he gets his third cup!
Yeah we sure needed Canes by far worst plus minus player 🎉
Bunting is 28 years old. He's not young. Dubas got fucking fleeced.
@@standonprinciple2537yup.
Fair. Just fair.
Great acquisition for Carolina.
Sucks the Rangers didn’t get him but damn they got a haul for Geuntzel
I’m so happy
As a Pens fan I love this trade. Now just gotta root for Carolina to make it to the Final lol.
Won't know till next year
So all that talk saying Pittsburgh asking for the moon for Guentzel, 1st rounders, top prospects and decent roster players, and in the end Carolina didn't even have to give up a first unless they make the finals ? Wow. Kinda glad Vancouver didn't get Guentzel because we'd probably have to end up giving out a 1st, our top prospect in Willander and a roster player.
Keep in mind Carolina is a division rival too which should instantly raise price. Sad day.
This is why i love the trade deadline. This kind of trade gets me excited.
I think people are focusing too much on Bunting in this trade. We obviously needed an NHL ready winger to fill the empty spot Guentzel left in the roster. What will really determine the otucome of this trade is if the prospects can become good contributors to this team in the next year or two before the core retires. Also, I will certainly be rooting for the Canes to make the final this year lol
I love this trade. Guentzel is just the type of player we need to produce offense in the playoffs. Bunting was okay for us but he's not exactly been spectacular and he's officiating poison, which could really hurt us in the playoffs -- virtually no infractions against him from other players are called and he gets called for everything because the refs see him as a "diver" from a couple of incidents when he was on the Leafs. I'm sad to see Ponomarev go, he looked like he could be a really solid NHL player, but to get a player of the caliber of Guentzel you have to sacrifice some valuable pieces. I'm fine with the draft picks, too -- most likely we just end up paying a second round pick, and if we end up paying a first and a fifth it's because we made the finals and won the Cup, so who would be complaining then? Overall I think Don Waddell is doing a fantastic job as GM and building this team in a way that allows us to win now but also be sustainable for the future. We don't mortgage our future to win now, which is why we've had playoff success every year since Rod has been head coach and Don has been GM.
As a Rangers fan,
I remember 2 years ago playing the penguins and winning the series in game 7 in overtime,
But i remember that the best player on the ice was Jake Guentzel, not Crosby
Even better
Ecstatic as a canes fan. Probably the best player this deadline up for grabs, fills a big need for us scoring goals. On top of that we didn’t lose any of our top prospects when I thought we would have to. Losing bunting and (maybe) a first sucks but if we resign Guentzal it’s a STEAL no questions asked. Obviously if we don’t resign him and don’t win the cup it would not have been worth it even if we traded only a 7th round pick. But it was a risk well worth taking and hopefully can turn into a long term huge boost to the team after resigning him
Ponomarev is huge!!!! He is better than 3 of the Canes current centers!
Before u review Toronto winnipg Edmonton are all playing very sick watch 3rd edm game mcdavid could barely stand up after the draw
Pain
This could go either way. It could be like the Jordan Staal trade or the Jagr trade.
Totally happy with the trade we really needed a scorer going into the playoffs and I feel it was a fair trade hopefully they can sign him long term
Losing Ponomarev sucks for us but overall I’d say a B+ trade for us
What would make it an A in your opinion
They aren’t getting a player like Jake for nothing. Gotta pay to play that’s why they never make big trades lol
@@Hal-yc9jd Trading Jack Drury over Ponomarev.
Can you explain penguins grade please? Bc I feel like yall stole jake from us im good on bunting and idk any of those prospects 😭
It's a significant trade for both teams. Carolina got a guy who can be slotted in Bunting's spot, or be moved to the first line and drop Teravainen down one slot. Pittsburgh had to get younger and with this trade, they did. Bunting is not the scorer that Guentzel is, but he is still a solid player.
So what might this say for what TOFFOLI fetches?
Lets Go Canes ❤️🖤we finally didn't something 😩
You didn't mention that Yvonne wrote the trade details down. ;)
The lower case letters threw me lol
Canes got a good player, at least Pittsburgh got a half-decent return but it must feel underwhelming for Pens fans.
Apparently the Canes are also in on Kuznetsov
As a Ranger fan I’m glad we didn’t match this with either Othmann or Perreault… way too rich for my blood for the rental; congrats to Canes fans. It’s a good deal for both clubs
Will this get them over the ECF hump. TBD
Instant replacement for pacioretty
Sad to see him go. Decent return I'd say, certainly more than some "clear 1st rounders" got but it's not really the direction I was hoping for. But hey, at least it's a bunch of prospects, maybe Wilkes-Barre will get better :D
Pittsburgh got a win here consider genzel is a rental.
But they could potentially resign him.
@@NESADDICT I'm sure that's the hope
Looks like Pens are hitting reset - well, sort of
If they think a reset is going to win a cup with Crosby and Malkin, Detroit and Chicago will tell you it’ll blow up in their face.
@@samuelfrick3475 I’m totally with you.
Big win for Don to finally get the big fish he’s been on the hunt for.
Carolina didn’t overpay because Pitt didn’t let them talk to Jake about an extension. I would bet the prospects are even better if the extension gets done.
Good.
I think its a good deal if Jake is a rental. Bunting can be a Kunitz/Neal type guy for us so i dont hate it.
I did watch Dubas' press conference after the deadline and he mentioned that adding young prospects allows us to make moves for more young nhl guys. So i do expect 1 or 2 of them to be moved in the next year
I like how the canes got Guentzel for a bag of chips.
It's a fair price considering no extension is in place, if the canes sign him then it looks good for them. The fact they likely dont get a 1st isnt great for the Pens but the get a decent player and a couple prospects that could pan out
Love when teams make trades at deadline and falter quickly in the playoffs. The teams that barely do anything I bet will go furthest as usual. Never mess with chemistry 😊
Will always appreciate Jake for what he brought to this team. Excited to see what he does in Carolina. With that being said, hockey fans be real with me are the prospects we got in the trade top 6 potential? Our fans r absolutely irate at this trade but I honestly dont think it’s that bad for a rental. Sets up our future potentially.
Dubas got his guy
Penguins get a pretty good haul on this one.
Guentzel and his representation made it clear no contract would be negotiated before the end of the year. Dubas was handcuffed by Guentzel’s 12-team no trade and the fact that Dubas didn’t want to lose a player like that for nothing in free agency. It wasn’t a great return, but Dubas didn’t want to take any chances of losing Guentzel for nothing.
Guentzal's productivity will drop.
Q: Did Carolina overpay? Not if they hoist the cup with Guentzel on their roster.
Q: Did Pittsburgh get enough? We probably won't really know for three years.
The canes stole Jake
As a Penguins fan, the trade at face value does seem a little underwhelming. None of those prospects are ranked Top 5, but 2 of them could be playing on the team as early as next year which can be a good thing for the team depth as we've seen is pretty shallow. Obviously if Carolina wins the Cup, that return can look a little sweeter. This was better than loosing Jake for nothing. Bunting does not replace Guentzel, but I would've rather have gotten him this past off-season than Reilly Smith so I'm happy with getting him. At this point, I kinda hope the Pens just tank for the rest of the year so they can get their top 10 1st pick back from San Jose has part of the Karlsson trade. To Canes fans: Congratulations! You're getting a really good player with outstanding hockey IQ and heart. He could potentially begin to flame out within a few seasons but for now, should help them win it all.
Hockey guy: It's just Pon-o-mar-ev. He's been amazing with the Wolves since 2022
Penguins got fleeced, prospects are rated # 7 # 9 and # 10 in their system... they're all small undersized forwards who aren't even close to being NHL ready. Dubas is in full bend over and take it mode.
Sid didn't get a winger on par with Guentzel, but who knows what Bunting can do on a line with Crosby and/or Malkin. One of their few prospects is killing it right now in Scranton, Samuel Poulin is finally showing he is first round material after the injuries and the other issues, they might as well bring him up for the rest of the season, because I don't see a future where Poulin isn't with the big team next season. Kinda sad about Ty Smith too, last year he put out decent points and +/- and he was one of their other young #1 draft picks they acquired by robbing the other team. I can sense that after the blowout against the Caps yesterday that they might have thrown the towel, even if the 3 teams ahead of em barely are (including the Caps), NJ are on a downward spiral and the NYI are very "eh" and PIT still have games in hand. I'm sad Jake's gone for sure...but that's a lot of young talent and they needed more of that.
If you're trading guentzel.Then you might as well trade everyone and do a proper rebuild.
This trade is two pieces away from being a madness board.
Not bad for a rental.
Too costly once Ponomarev was put in there.
@@dealy9268How? They needed to add a 30 goal scorer years ago
Good deal both sides. Now Crosby to Avs to win with Nate.
Waddell masterclass
All magic comes with a price, I guess
I feel like the penguins did well here
I’m just glad Vancouver didn’t try to match this. Our organizational depth is still not quite where it needs to be
Pretty even trade.
This is the first time in 2 years I've been truly livid with Chris Drury. How could you not beat this? I get if you aren't that high on him, but to just let him go to your biggest threat is nuts. You might as well sign your own death warrant given that Carolina just solved their only weakness, which was the Rangers only advantage over them.
I would have rather traded Karlsson out and sign Guetzel long term but it is what it is. Good enough return especially considering if penguing didint have the money to sign guenzel. And i think Dubas is going to flip these picks, players and prospects to sth interesting for next season that Pittsburg can try to get cup last time 🧐🧐
Pittsburgh won't know for at least a few years.
So Basicly the Penguins got a 3rd for Marino.. That might have been a big mistake S:
What a steal for the Canes. Hate this trade.
Maybe a slight overpayment. Would've preferred not to give up Ponomarev.
This looks to me more like a baseball trade than a hockey trade, in the sense that PIT got back a lesser winger with more term, picks, and a bunch of lottery ticket prospects. The 3 non-NHL guys I view as the baseball equivalent of young A-ball Dominican hard throwers - will any of them turn into major leagures? Tough to say this early. But if one (or more) of them does, then the Pens look like geniuses in a few years.
If the cane's can sign Guentzel it's a good move for them.
I'm here for your thoughts, not some randos in the comments
WE DID IT. WE DID IT.
(Let's hope Kochetkov can keep up the great work).
The 'Canes had to answer the Panthers getting Tarasenko. Guentzel will be a bigger aaset for us. Bunting was steady, but not the pest in front of the opposing net, as advertised. Plus he was a double digit minus on the ice, which was a detrement. After being swept in the Eastern Conference final last year, we had to get another sniper. Now with both Svechnikov and Guentzel, they have the fire power on every line. I believe they can re-sign him in the offseason.
anderson is back.
What role did you play in the trade?
👍🏾👍🏾
If Adam Henrique, Elias Lindholm, and if Sean Monahan were each separately worth a non-conditional 1st, then Jake Guentzel + Ty Smith combined being only worth essentially a late 2nd is the biggest slap in the face Dubas could of delivered to the Penguins franchise. He's so obsessed with chasing his white whales from Toronto that he's making terrible decisions.
RIP Jake Shakes