This video is going to cause some division of opinions. Be civil in arguing your case. Be intelligent and articulate. Learn more about Mick Coup here: www.CoreCombatives.com
I think it's good to do both. Use mixed martial arts as the foundation, regularly practice that, and then allow yourself to explore different options that don't conflict with the fundamentals. When they start to get too scenario specific, choreographed, then it's time to gravitate back to the fundamentals.
What about combatives like mcmap or the army's combatives. The real goal of combatives is to know how to kill to survive with any weapon. You get a crash courses by signing 8 years 11bravo or 18xray. Sound like you hate pog posers, Change my mind mick.
Well yes and no ... I will explain my self. If you want to be a top boxer you sure have to spit blood in training the same goes for mma judo muai Thai or even ping pong now if you want to be a " reality based" combatives instructor there is a similar but much harder way and it is this: 1 go to a local bar pick a fight 2 walk out either on your feet or in a stretcher 2 heal rinse and repeat untill you don't have to be carried out in a stretcher congrats you be just got your first dan . Step two repeat the same process at " a hood" a favela or in jail " carry your self out of be carried , heal and repeat till you don't need to be carried. Congrats this is your second dan. Step three repeat the guidelines for first and second dan till your aura is such that no one looks at you in the eyes so you don't have to fight anymore.congrats that is your third dan. Step four Reach old age and teach . This is your fourth dan and there is no more to it . The thing is that until one puts one self in such streess that causes diarrhea or vomiting with such consequences that are too high to pay and gets over them in one piece then one is just engaged in a role play no matter the discipline he follows. I have met many people who were " the real thing" and I have to say three things. 1 there is ABSOLUTELY no bravado posturing or trash talking involved in their actions 2 most don't look different than the guy next door and 3 you somehow know that if you lock them in a room with three aggressive people only them will walk out of it. Where does that leave the everyday guy? Do your best learning and pressure testing anything you train and learn and know there are no guarantees and the only thing you are doing is just increasing your odds. That's all.
Micks C2 combatives courses are very much like MMA although the emphasis is on striking. The main similarities are that you fight full contact, no choreography.....as a base. It develops from there.
Self defense is one of the most polarizing topics out there. The confusion comes from thinking that mma or other martial arts sufficiently prepares someone for extreme violence, not fighting. There is a difference. The problem arises when instructors in a sport martial art try to teach or assume what they practice will be effective for self defense. They think their competition experience is the experience. In real life, usually a female's normal opponent is twice as big and three times as strong. Whatever worked for you in your weight class in your chosen discipline isn't going to help her. She needs to think in an entirely different way.
What for, mate? I train ptk and it covers every aspect of combat. However, that really depends on the person that is teaching you, if it is a shitty teacher then you gonna need to fill the gaps with other martial arts or styles. Fortunately that is not my case.
I think ultimately what matters is that you train seriously with live drills/sparring on a regular basis. Once you have a good base you can add in effective street techniques like eye strikes and groin kicks through self-training. I'll take training MMA seriously for a while and then adding the above techniques over taking some kind of hardcore self-defense "course" that lasts 4 months and doesn't involve many live drills/sparring.
Yeah, include real life conditions in your MMA practices, and it will adapt well to real life. Practice with multiple opponents, consider how a move will work if the enemy can eye-gouge or draw a knife.
Combining mma with reality based self defense is pretty much the best self defense because your putting together the attributes of combat sports with the lethal tactics of reality based self defense.
More than 95% of all schools, at least here in the U.S. are in the business of selling buzzwords, names, phrases, etc. They are all commercialized versions of martial arts and self defense for the masses. Most schools advertise self defense but don't actually teach self defense at all, and the public is always a poor fool for it and falls victim to clever marketing and advertising. It's all marketing and advertising. The rest, if you are even remotely lucky, is actual training. Even the MMA gyms. You can only go so far in any training before it truly becomes real and puts students in the hospital. I have never found in all my travels a school that can take their training to "real". It is simply a controlled version of real. You can pressure test all day, you can try everything against a resisting partner all day, you can train against the best, the worst and everyone in between, but at the end of the day its all a controlled version of real. When training becomes truly real, it isn't training anymore. This is why it is crucial for people to be inspired to be an instructor. We don't need more martial artists or professional fighters, we need better teachers and instructors.
I started in ‘70 and the sparring was very hard and pretty brutal. I got into boxing a couple years later and it was a big help. Classical martial arts are very linear and don’t use much head movement. Boxing helps with that. I am pretty unclear what combativeness really are all about. What I have seen are programmed attacks and defenses , but I am unsure if that is all they teach.
I have enjoyed teaching since I was an early low ranking student. I realized I had a talent for it, when i was a young karate (Kong Sun Do) student. My group had just been taught something. I picked it up right away. One of my classmates was struggling, so I took him in the back room and taught him how to do it. So this became the thing. Every class, I would learn the new thing, and immediately after class I would teach him (and later several more too). This went on for months, untill we got caught. So basically, 3 or 4 people all learned everything for their 4rth rank, from me in the back room, 45 minutes after i learned it myself. I got as lot of satisfaction from that, and it spurred a life long passion for teaching in me. So yeah, it IS totally possible to want to teach, just for the love of teaching.
Haha Mick not read his own website Overall the Foundation Instructor Programme consists of approximately 80 hours of direct instruction. The programme is open to male and female English speaking adults who are over the age of 18. No specific experience or prior training is essential. Successful certification qualifies an individual as a ‘Foundation Instructor’ and authorisation to conduct foundation-level training events up to and including seminars, including running C2 training groups and conducting private tuition - fully endorsed and supported.
This is his way of getting MMA sorts to "like" him. You absolutely have to respect anyone that trains hard and honestly puts in the work. Cage or ring... Street or backyard... Doesn't mean MMA is better than CQB style training. They both have their own arena. What matters is how it's taught and how it's trained...and for that you better find a quality instructor or have David Goggins style mentality!
Whats not included in all of that is that the 80 hours is spread over a long time and you will be expected to be extremely proficient in every aspect of what he teaches. It is the antithesis of most combatives become an instructor in a short space of time.
HATCHERS House of SYSTEMA if it doesn’t have a lot of sparring at different levels of intensity and goals then it isn’t going to help most non-experienced fighters. So as long as it has that and a lot of training at the different ranges it should be solid given the instructor understands the basics/fundamentals of violence and violent people.
Some of the combatives guys are good, especially some of the guys out of the UK and less than a hand full here in the U.S... But he is right, nothing beats reality based fighting against people who know how to fight and actually fight back..... But that does not mean combatives are useless and their principles are good at understanding violence, multiple attacks, and weapons, you need more - you need to feel it. I agree with him that even boxing and wrestling training and gyms are supreme..
I'd say that maybe people want to be coaches because they are self aware of themselves. They know they're probably not gonna make it to stardom, but hey they're pretty good at teaching and showing people how to do things. I want to teach someday, but i know I need to get in the ring before that to actually get some credibility. But i know im not going to become a john wayne parr or something, and to be honest, not sure if I even want to. the fight game is rough.
Best way to find out is to put some gloves on, headgear too & go at it. Use what works & discard what doesnt. The issue here is mma is rules based like it or not. Plenty of matches were stopped due to eye gauges and grion strikes. Live sparring is the key to any successful art. If the art has too many coreographed moves, chances are it needs to spar more to see their effectiveness. But never grapple if youre in the streets to avoid multiple attacker scenarios. If its 1 v 1 go ahead but im not taking that chance personally.
Although I agree with his points about stress testing and sparring. Him calling combatives trainers that neglect these important aspects of training as "Hardcore" is some knuckle dragging ignorance. MMA can be effective for self protection, but ultimate IS a sport. Just like Muay Thai (the SPORT version of Muay Boran) or any other Fight Sport. Real Combatives training involves sparring, stress testing, and Pain Compliance drills. If someone's Krav Maga or other combatives teacher isn't having them doing these things, then they are just another McDojo. But let's not confuse these McDojos with actual CQC training. That's just some "Hoover-Level" ignorance.
Not everybody wants to be "that" famous instructor, but it's helpful to know how to teach basic self defense and combative skills. You need to be able to teach your friends and family, and then if it's their thing they'll go further, do MMA and so forth. But if it's not their thing they at least know how it works, the dangers, the mindset, ... THE BASICS It's the same for firearms, everybody want's to be tier one operator and shit, but 1% of carriying people get gun training, 0.01% does special forces tacticool stuff. We need to teach the 99% to be better. If the 99% gets 5% better on average (and if teached properly, with their starting level, it's more like 500% the first day) it's a lot more productive than teaching the 1% anything you can immagine. Fighting is the same, it's important to teach "normal" people how to avoid confrontation and how to minimize danger/injury. An mma champion will be attacked either by stupid pricks (and doesn't need halp to bust them) or by professionnals who know who he is (and he'll have no chance even with the best training).
I agree the average person is not trying to be a martial artist it take alot of time send mental effort,but going to train a few basics is highly important...imagine your kid is a academic person who don't like being in a mma school,if you know a sum basics to equip him or her,they will feel more confident in a confrontation,and that goes for friends,family etc although if you can get them to go to mma then I would send them,it also have to fit in a person's life's schedule
I...... I want to be a jiu jitsu instructor? I like teaching, but I can't be in a school environment, I'm a former Marine, I cuss too much. I want to instruct less violent people than myself on how to keep themselves alive. I knew I was never going to be a champion, I don't care that much, don't have that fire. Soooooo, I don't know what to tell ya.
I think this guy is too much of a sports junkie. I figure, how stupid do you have to be, to what to get punched in the head for a living, or training every day for the upcoming brain damage? I'd fight to live, but not for a pitiful salary where only 1% of fighters can retire with savings.
He says in his first sentence that more Combatives are being done in MMA gyms than most self-professed reality based systems. It’s a term. The content of what he’s saying stands on it’s own two feet if you don’t get hung up on terminology.
Yes I agree Mostly people want a quick fix. Nothing good is easy. If you want to be tough it takes tim. Join the royal marines or paras. Or even take up ninjitsu or something. Hope it helps
If it works on the guy who trains to defend it, then it’ll work on the guy who doesn’t. Why is that so difficult to understand; because it’s an excuse to not truly spar.
I respect your opinion, but it's just that. You forgot about those who train for the purpose of self defense and fall in love with it. There are martial artist who have been training since they were 8, they weren't in it to be champions. You forgot about Veteran folks who go to combatives because it's like home to them. Not everyone goes into martial arts for sport. I agree you should strive to be awesome at it and then teach. But not every talented fighter could be a coach either. Now for MMA training translating into the streets, he'll yeah it does. The conditioning, pressure, and reps will help tremendously. MMA will not be the best for a surprise knife or machete fight though. God bless!
I’m one of those martial artist you talk about started training on and off since 8 years old did kickboxing got bored with it teaching self defense because I was a bouncer and had to fight foreal I have a small group like me got tired of the politics and did like the HEMA guys and start training ourselves yes we get challenged from mma guys and traditionals but knock them out because we have real world experience so I agree with you 💯 percent
I disagree! MMA, Tactical, and Combat are different mindsets, yet can be synonymous in technique. A person with a combative mindset accepts their adversary(s) may be better boxers, grapplers and or wrestlers. Which is why force multipliers are essential to those of a combative mindset, a mindset which is to get home to ones family by any means necessary! Therefore, we don't fear the rear naked, triangle chokes etc; having a clinch pick or HAK knife in our possession capable of severing the "humeral trochlea" of the elbow, or dozens of other lethal applications to defeat the boxer, grappler, wrestler and or a MMA practitioner is the essence of combat.
A lot of great points in a thoughtful, articulate conversation... But, where do I sign up for Underwater Ninja Knife Fighting Combatives Instructor Training? Where's the link?
I agree with this. My issue is that none of these trainings and schools combine all in one which are hands on, edged weapons, impact weapons and handguns---in a force on force concept in a realistic environment with realistic training implements as possible in a force on force. I have had to go to hands on school, knife school, impact school, and shooting school. Closest I seen so far is Southnarc aka Craig Douglas
Any trained fighter will have gone through hundreds of sparing fights by the time he gets to a real sanctioned fight. His reactions will all be fine tuned and happen as a matter of reflext not thought. If you're not trained then it will not be instinctive. You'll have to think about it. You're screwed before you can finish that thought. Your best thought will be RUN!
Not particularly. There can be a trained fighter who fought loads of amateur street fights initially, (very real fights) and then took to the gym to learn how to really fight. To sum the fighter got to a fight way before "hundres of sparring fights" and then got trained. Doesnt denounce his training but hes had far many tastes of a real fight before training any at all.
@@michaelkarl783 "loads of street fights" does not equal professional training where they will have hundreds of sparing fights before a sanctioned match. But that is ok... You keep thinking that bull shit. And when you come across a real trained fighter you'll get your ass kicked bad. I beat the living shit out of a trained Marine who also thought his "loads of fights" meant he could fight a trained guy.... he and all his military training was very wrong. Most likely if some one has been in loads of street fights that person has also spend loads of time in jail. Eating junk jail food that is designed to make you slow and sluggish while there. You're argument is just loads of crap. Your name explains it all....
No maybe it's your first and when got attacked, also when you are indee real attack and violence your response is fight or fly and your mind can easy remember small fast easy move than spectacular techniques.
@@starbattles1 "street fights" have no rules, you have to deal with fight stress (survival stress reaction) and a myriad of other things...weapons, friends, etc...all the sparing and matches have rules and you know who and what you are up against and you don't have to fear being killed... they require different skill sets
Depends on what you mean by "combative." Lee Morrison has a system called Urban Combatives and always pressure tests what he teaches. He isn't looking for a title or championship, but to be the best he can be to survive another day.
Lee Morrison and Geoff Thompson are exceptional and way beyond this guy. There stuff has been pressure tested in the streets and bars where they worked.
I think this hits the nail dead on the head. 'I want to be famous', instead of being told to actually 'become famous'. You can't just 'be' a trainer. You have to seriously excel at what you are trying to train. But I guess that is a 'Millennial' thing. Look up some of Simon Sinek's stuff...
But what if I'm not a narcissist, and just like to help people and learn the art? Granted, he didn't say you have to be an MMA star, just that you should get good at it, first.
I like Mick Coup! He put it simple and on point. Same I'm always talking about. As long as you never forget that a streetfight has no rules compared to what ever MA you are doing and put the effort in, you will be on the safe side.
Yes, if you adapt your MMA to real life conditions, it can be fine for that. So, be cautious of ground-fighting, practice against multiple opponents, practice with model weapons.
@@nickelmanful You obviously would do very good with MMA against most steet thugs and fools that will challange you on street. BUT in the very unlikley situation that you meet a better well roundet guy, you will not. You wouldn't belive how many boxers would just box on the street. They wouldn't even think about trying to hit the groins or kick etc. Because they are just so used to their ruleset. I saw to very versed MMA guys fighting FOR REAL it was the most hilariouse thing ever because it was the cleanest fight I've ever watched. Even compared to some competition fights and it was on the street. But there were no illegal strikes, no biting, no scratching, no attacks to the groins or anything you could possibly think of. In situations like this when the adrenaline hits you to your toes, there is no thinking anymore. Your body does what it is used to. If you've never kicked you won't kick. If you never wrestled you won't wrestle, eben if there is a nice stick beside you, you most probably wouldn't even think about it. Which for example a Eskrima, Kali, Krav Maga etc. guy most definetly would. That's at least what I was thinkin and mentioning here. 😎👍
Didn't the Judo Champion of Germany die in a knife mugging? The idea that being a sports champion means you're well equipped to survive is utter hogwash. But yeah, results based outcome, as in: In a fight between one guy who uses MMA, against another guy using MMA, the guy using MMA always wins, so you have a 100% chance of victory! There are plenty of "street defence" systems that are garbage, con-jobs. That doesn't mean you should give up trying to adapt your tactics to real world and real life scenarios, outside of a ring. MMA can be adapted pretty well, but you have to be conscious and make those adaptations. Not think that your champion belt is knife proof, so you are. Look at the First Person Defender videos, if you want a dose of reality. Guns are the first choice for self defence.
Van Ivanov you just used a “didn’t the guy without a knife die in a mugging by an attacker with a knife” example as an argument? I think a lot more context is needed to prove your point.
@@eclipsewrecker ...I think you're having some trouble forming a coherent sentence. Since this wasn't a movie, there aren't cameramen standing by to record the fight scene, so the context is finding a body with knife wounds. So what context did you _expect?_
Van Ivanov so a guy got stabbed. What was your point? What martial art protects an unarmed guy from being stabbed? Coherent? Maybe, and your statements are conjecture or false equivalency at best.
@@eclipsewrecker ...Yeah, a lot of trouble with coherent sentences. Even if you can interpret that mess, the logic is from some alien world. You're questioning the ability for any martial art to protect against knives? ...What does that have to do with me? If you don't think any can, then that's fine, you also disagree with the video.
Van Ivanov it’s not a guarantee..So using the judoka being killed isn’t a good argument/example. Did He only have judoka skills? Was he killed with any chance to actually stop it? What skills would’ve prevented his death? I apologies for the miscommunication. I was pointing out the flaw in your example, or the false equivalency in using “well equipped (in unarmed combat)” to mean armed combat as well.
I quit MMA because of how a slow process it takes to learn things and the amount of soft sparring they had. I decided to stick too Boxing and wrestling. (mauy Thai later on)
everyone wants that magic pill that cures everything, that one magic wrench that works on every nut. I want that efortless pill to give me thin shredded 6 pack abs. I found that one magic thing: trainning. train hard, enjoy the blood sweat and tears. PS. shout out to Phil's left jab for straightening my nose
100% agree! Train in a system for a couple of years and get the feel of what it's like getting your head knocked around. On the other hand you might get stabbed in a grappling match with a crackhead.
Outstanding points. To anyone saying "well how do I be a good instructor for combatitives and self defense then?" It's the same as those sports and MMA. You have to do the thing. In sports, eventually you become self-aware of concepts, applications, and fundamentals. It's the same for the other side. Guess what? You don't learn that shit on a weekend course. You need to study human predatory behavior. You need to study other aspects of psychology. How to get your own brain in gear before you get it smashed in. Teaching your body to respond to negative and sudden aggression. THEN, you can maybe use those things you learned on that weekend course. If you don't get stuck in the freeze. Gonna just run away? Cool, how's your fitness level? Can you run more than 5 steps without getting winded? What about if the predator is a faster runner? Etc. Be a lifelong student. Keep learning. Keep asking questions. Here's a novel idea. Cross train.
Experience is a good teacher. So, people like Marc Animal MacYoung are pretty good, for this sort of thing. A guy who has been in a bunch of sports fights has no business talking about it.
@@vanivanov9571 Macyoung is a complete fraud. Mick isn;t a sports guy as you have wrongly assumed. He is ex military who teaches special forces, SWAT etc how to fight in the most efficient way possible.
Maybe this drunken old man knows about things or maybe Not. Talking is cheap, proofing is much harder. In general most special forces trust martial arts instructors. Real fighting is better than Training for sure, but without Training und will never get to a useful fighting level.
Regardless what martial arts you practice if you are not doing real sparring you are not doing anything. I have got in fights and I held my own and that shit looked awesome when the police played it back to me but it's nothing like getting in a fight with guys who are constantly sparring.
Well well well, I guess I should've expected this sooner or later. D Condo and Luke Hobbs said most of what I wanna say, so I'll hopefully summarise what needs to be added in: Similar to how gun guys say that competitive shooting like IPSC, IDPA or 3-Gun is impractical and teaches bad shooting habits/techniques that only work in competition and will get you killed in a real encounter, when there's been absolutely **ZERO** statistics to prove their point. I'd say MMA is similar to a certain extent. You have a guy trained with a range techniques that are quite useful in a real encounter. Similarly, your techniques have been stress tested against resisting opponents, which is essential for testing and memorization of said techniques. But other than mindset & preparation, you have no direct transference of MMA training into real Self Defence encounters. You should avoid going to the ground in a streetfight. Bas Rutten among the many coaches that will tell you that. Oh and the whole myth about the majority of fights going to the ground in a streetfight/self defence situation like it's an inevitable fact? That's total BS, concocted and spun by MMA fans and coaches. It was a statement taken completely out of context from Citizens Arrest Records, nothing to do with streetfights. Now you wanna try sprawling on concrete/blacktop? I'd like to see how your knees & hands hold up. Likewise for weapons. Last I checked, MMA doesn't train with weapons. You can't defend adequately against a weapon attack if you're not thoroughly trained with using said weapons. Finally, this has all been well and truely done & dusted by the eloquent writer Phil Elmore aka The Martialist. He wrote a fantastic article explaining with perfect and irrefutable clarity that MMA is inadequate for Self Defence and RBSD. He's done a much better job that I ever could hope to write, so I'll reference his statements: themartialist.net/mma-rbsd-tma-internet/
I dont think there's anything wrong with wanting to become an instructor/teacher without going through a long laundry list fighting career...Look at Shane Fazen on fighttips. Yes, he had a few fights but it's not like he was a pro super star. He still creates awesome content.
Sorry Mick, you are dead wrong my friend. Two reasons why you're wrong. (1) The fight environment dictates the rules of engagement. In other words, the Octagon does not permit primary and secondary weapons, eye-gouging, head butts, strikes to the groin nor tearing it off. Yet, in a CQB environment, each of those strategies drops your enemy in seconds. Those who don't understand what the term "rules of engagement" means, look it up. (2) Mission objective dictates the preferred tactics and strategies one can use. In other words, if an FBI hostage rescue team is tasked with retrieving kidnap victims from an armed group of human traffickers with a helo extraction pick up in less than two minutes, then your mission objective is to kill the enemy as quickly as possible. There is no time to punch, kick nor grapple. Sport MMA concepts don't even belong in the conversation. After 16-years in special operations military service with a decade of experience in high-risk fugitive recovery work, never once in my profession was a Muay Thai kick thrown nor boxing punch even attempted. Never in 20 years! Why not? Because the objective is to kill, not win by a "tap". This is why MMA footwork, ring control, bobbing-and-weaving, and all of the techniques that produce an exceptional MMA champion are worthless in a dark room with armed hostiles waiting to shoot or cut me. The two principles that I shared above are irrefutable principles. Those two principles (when understood) prove that you cannot bring [sport MMA concepts] into an environment where the objective is to kill your enemy with a weapon and kill as quickly as possible.
I just cant with this guy, every video he makes is a joke to me. Competition training is restricted by rules of engagement where I never will be and that is the difference in training, when your being taught how to kill with your hands you can't go full force or guess what people can die in training. He is either just ignorant of actual martial arts training or selling something.
Yeah, he is selling something. He also has self defence combatives type courses. So he's trying to sell the idea that his is the REAL real stuff. Because apparently, no one is going to hit you in the junk in real life, pull a knife on you, have a buddy, or grab your hair.
@Noah G. that's not real life. It's a controlled environment, I'm trained for life or death situations and I can seriously hurt someone faster than any ref could stop it. A fight is so much more than bashing the other guy into oblivion, I can potentially hospitalize someone without actually striking them once. I love I mma and mixed martial arts but to state that mma is the best thing out there just cuz it's a full contact sport is plain falsehood to me.
@Noah G. Well, you might be an edgy teen trying to pretend to have years of experience in boxing and MMA? There are several moves which can end fights very quickly. Stomping the arc of the foot, breaking the sternum, smashing heads on concrete or even breaking necks like in the movies. Of course, weapons are a far better way to end the fight rapidly. And I think it's downright idiotic, to be more concerned that you're not Charles Bronson than the fact that you WON using an improvised weapon. So yeah, your mom sounds like a better survivor than you.
This bullshit nonsense logic about being restricted by rules lol it is far easier for an mma fighter to kill, eye poke, bite, throw groin strikes than some combatives clown who trains a preset move under easy conditions.
Why do so many MMA talents end up in JAIL or long time prison? Is that "superior"? Why do MMA "champions"often behave like turds and trashbags? Is that the example for the kids? The claim that people who want to to teach and pass on something only do it because they want to be famous or could not be "sports champions" shows an egoist and narcissist mentality. Basically he is saying that people only do things for selfish reasons but not because they enjoy helping others. Many Asian and traditional teachers, teach for free or little contributions and ask their (selected)students not to talk about it. Most MMA "professors" have NO IDEA about non-commercial referral-only teachers. These teachers, often ex-military or law enforcement, have no interest in being famous. They just want family and friends to be safe. (sounds crazy right?) The desire to help your kids, nephews, nieces and selected, vetted friends of family be safer and confident is NATURAL. Any soldier, cop or fire fighter wants to pass skills and knowledge on to their kids at least. So why would martial artists not want to pass on??? This guy just put all non-MMA teachers under the same label of failed wanna-be. It would be refreshing to see an MMA teacher that teaches this "superior" art for symbolic compensation, FREE or break-even. You know, not commercial but just for helping others be safer. 2: I have never seen an MMA club or tournament where one guy has to spar against 2 or 3. If it's all about realism, cut the one-on-one nonsense because that is a foolish dream scenario. Why not get really real and prepare for the truth of a burglary, home invasion or hood-rat robbery? (where 5 to 10 drunken teens jump you AT ONCE) Yes, MMA & SPORTS people that spar and get hit every week have great fitness, endurance, strength and conditioning. Bravo MMA & Sports, you are the fittest of the fittest. It is true. You have the biggest and baddest muscles. It is true. You fight more than anyone else. It is true. You can take hits better than most people. It is true. Do MMA & SPORTS techniques keep us out of jail? Do they even allow us to deal with aggression without looking like THE AGGRESSOR to police and judges? Do they prepare us for being outnumbered? Do they teach us to behave like decent persons with self-control? NO. MMA & SPORTS training is based on 1-vs-1 with rules, clean and ideal location and time limits. It conditions our mind and body for the SAME SCENARIO. And sometimes, on our day off, to suckerpunch old men. MMA training is a bonus or extra besides something else. It is good to toughen up and get a taste of getting hit or gassing out. It is not the main course, but a side dish or supplement.
Who is guy? Do any of you know? I have listened to this guy talk a lot of nonsense but I will explain a thing to you right- what a fighter does and soldier does is not the same thing. If you need to fight a man go train at fighting, If to the basics of killing a man with or with out your weapon learn combatives. In a fight if someone dies it's a tragedy or a crime, In combat people are expected to die, people will die..... Lots of people. Having the skills a good fighter possesses is useful but not necessary on the battlefield because everybody shows up armed man that's the real world. It's much easier to kill a man than it is to fight a man, 2 guys can punch each other in the ring many times but David killed Goliath with a Rock and going to one shot, do you understand? Humans are not actually very physically tough and we aren't actually very physically strong, if you think you are go wrestle 40-lb chimpanzee it will kill you easily. Combatives are NOT about fighting they are about combat.
@@FunkerTactical ...OK, his comment is silly for suggesting soldiers train differently from MMA sports fighters? That's the last straw, I'm unsubscribing from this channel. It used to have good videos, but lately all I see is click bait and garbage from it. I also recommend people look at the USMC combat manuals and the like, instead of sport fighting. There are some similarities, sure.
@@simongildea4525 Try searching for Marc "Animal" MacYoung. He's got a pretty good website, no nonsense self defence, to deal with all this BS that a champion MMA fighter is an expert at dealing with knives and guns and muggers, despite never training to deal with any of those things. Also, check out this video, where the USMC brutalizes UFC fighters: /watch?v=VyllQuQuHZE Because they're fighters, not warriors, not soldiers, not killers. They're good at dealing with a single unarmed attacker, preferably with certain rules about smashing heads on concrete.
@Noah G. ...HAAAaahahaha! Thanks for revealing you're a total idiot, with no idea about the military. Soldiers never train for unarmed combat? How old are you? You claimed to be a sports combat expert, with years of boxing and MMA... but if you didn't know soldiers train for unarmed combat, you must be an ignorant example of a ten year old. And if you are... there's no need to be embarassed about that. But stop lying. Shared this video before, but it seems you were too busy lying that I said something about broken glass and tables to notice it. It features the Marines practicing unarmed and melee weapon combat, and totally destroying some UFC guys. Those UFC guys seemed nice and humble, unlike you. Please scroll up and watch the video.
lol, wrong info MMA fighters they are used to one on one...and sometimes they are confuse with streetfights... Self defense training is NO RULES direct and straight forward...more deadly
Actually if you are trained well you understand how to move and funnel your opponents to make it so you don't get surrounded. Lots of martial arts train you in taking multiple opponents.
@@SMS2884 Doesn't matter that can work but work in real life. Dude if 5 or more people rush you at one your going down to ground at least once. This ain't the movies where some martial arts guys is beating up 30 people...
Combatives, and MMA are not mutually exclusive. Train MMA for conditioning, and discipline. Take a combatives course once a year, or two to brush up on your: De escalation tactics Rapid first aid Stress psychology Pressure testing your MMA against real environments Environmental awarness Local laws... The two aren't really comparable, since they cover differnet intention. Lots of great guys do, and teach combatives. Karateka, kickboxers, and so on.
Krav Mega is one of the best self defense & combat martial arts in existence becaise it is also "results based". This style/art has was created by Israelis and has been proven to be effective since the 1930's.
Ive had 3yrs of jujitsi training. Ive learned you've got to have alot of cardio. My goguru karate not sure of the spelling. My younger yrs her thing lots of cardio in class
@@vanivanov9571 sparing can keep you in box and also keep you from utilizing all your power. Killer instinct and patience is essential to be victorious.
@@drexelking8792 You should check out the First Person Defender series on youtube. Roleplaying scenarios similar to what it uses are great for testing your skills, and practicing your stress response.
MMA is good, but mostly good for the arena and that is only if u train only for MMA. Although it is the closest u can get to the blood sport competition it still falls under rules and regulations. Combatives on the other hand involves real world training. Navy Seals, Rangers, Green Berets, Foreign Legion are just to name a few. But all are known for being the best at hand to hand combat. They don't train to exchange punches although there is punching involved.But for the most part they are taught to disable or kill. Forget that phoney stuff u see advertised on the web where it only takes 3 days to learn. The closest i have seen resembling any effective combative art in the open market is certain variations of the Applegate system.
This video is going to cause some division of opinions. Be civil in arguing your case. Be intelligent and articulate.
Learn more about Mick Coup here: www.CoreCombatives.com
The title of this video is misleading and sensational.
I think it's good to do both. Use mixed martial arts as the foundation, regularly practice that, and then allow yourself to explore different options that don't conflict with the fundamentals. When they start to get too scenario specific, choreographed, then it's time to gravitate back to the fundamentals.
What about combatives like mcmap or the army's combatives. The real goal of combatives is to know how to kill to survive with any weapon. You get a crash courses by signing 8 years 11bravo or 18xray. Sound like you hate pog posers, Change my mind mick.
"Cause that shit hurts"
This guy is cool as hell
Well yes and no ... I will explain my self. If you want to be a top boxer you sure have to spit blood in training the same goes for mma judo muai Thai or even ping pong now if you want to be a " reality based" combatives instructor there is a similar but much harder way and it is this: 1 go to a local bar pick a fight 2 walk out either on your feet or in a stretcher 2 heal rinse and repeat untill you don't have to be carried out in a stretcher congrats you be just got your first dan . Step two repeat the same process at " a hood" a favela or in jail " carry your self out of be carried , heal and repeat till you don't need to be carried. Congrats this is your second dan. Step three repeat the guidelines for first and second dan till your aura is such that no one looks at you in the eyes so you don't have to fight anymore.congrats that is your third dan. Step four Reach old age and teach . This is your fourth dan and there is no more to it . The thing is that until one puts one self in such streess that causes diarrhea or vomiting with such consequences that are too high to pay and gets over them in one piece then one is just engaged in a role play no matter the discipline he follows. I have met many people who were " the real thing" and I have to say three things. 1 there is ABSOLUTELY no bravado posturing or trash talking involved in their actions 2 most don't look different than the guy next door and 3 you somehow know that if you lock them in a room with three aggressive people only them will walk out of it. Where does that leave the everyday guy? Do your best learning and pressure testing anything you train and learn and know there are no guarantees and the only thing you are doing is just increasing your odds. That's all.
Well put !!
"I never trust anyone who's more excited about success than about doing the thing they want to be successful at." -Randall Munroe
I don't know about all combatives though. Lee Morrison is legit
Lee Morrison is very legit.
Micks C2 combatives courses are very much like MMA although the emphasis is on striking.
The main similarities are that you fight full contact, no choreography.....as a base.
It develops from there.
Self defense is one of the most polarizing topics out there. The confusion comes from thinking that mma or other martial arts sufficiently prepares someone for extreme violence, not fighting. There is a difference. The problem arises when instructors in a sport martial art try to teach or assume what they practice will be effective for self defense. They think their competition experience is the experience. In real life, usually a female's normal opponent is twice as big and three times as strong. Whatever worked for you in your weight class in your chosen discipline isn't going to help her. She needs to think in an entirely different way.
Why not just do several arts, cross train. MMA, combative based arts, kali etc. Best of all worlds.
What for, mate? I train ptk and it covers every aspect of combat. However, that really depends on the person that is teaching you, if it is a shitty teacher then you gonna need to fill the gaps with other martial arts or styles. Fortunately that is not my case.
@@Hernan.r.r ok. Who is your teacher ?
Because that would make too much sense and require real respect between other styles.
Because of the time factor. Still got a live to life and bills to pay
Rigo Hook find a curriculum thats a mixed system and train a couple times a week. Job done.
I think ultimately what matters is that you train seriously with live drills/sparring on a regular basis. Once you have a good base you can add in effective street techniques like eye strikes and groin kicks through self-training. I'll take training MMA seriously for a while and then adding the above techniques over taking some kind of hardcore self-defense "course" that lasts 4 months and doesn't involve many live drills/sparring.
Yeah, include real life conditions in your MMA practices, and it will adapt well to real life. Practice with multiple opponents, consider how a move will work if the enemy can eye-gouge or draw a knife.
Kagemusha08 you’re mostly right. Nice
Combining mma with reality based self defense is pretty much the best self defense because your putting together the attributes of combat sports with the lethal tactics of reality based self defense.
Mick Coup is painfully good at pointing out the uncomfortable truths ......
He's hurt my feelings on more than one occasion --- because the truth hurts.
More than 95% of all schools, at least here in the U.S. are in the business of selling buzzwords, names, phrases, etc. They are all commercialized versions of martial arts and self defense for the masses. Most schools advertise self defense but don't actually teach self defense at all, and the public is always a poor fool for it and falls victim to clever marketing and advertising. It's all marketing and advertising. The rest, if you are even remotely lucky, is actual training. Even the MMA gyms. You can only go so far in any training before it truly becomes real and puts students in the hospital. I have never found in all my travels a school that can take their training to "real". It is simply a controlled version of real. You can pressure test all day, you can try everything against a resisting partner all day, you can train against the best, the worst and everyone in between, but at the end of the day its all a controlled version of real. When training becomes truly real, it isn't training anymore. This is why it is crucial for people to be inspired to be an instructor. We don't need more martial artists or professional fighters, we need better teachers and instructors.
This video is awesome! Great to see a man who’s a pro at what he does give credit where it’s due.
Pretty much sums up what I was gonna say .
I started in ‘70 and the sparring was very hard and pretty brutal. I got into boxing a couple years later and it was a big help. Classical martial arts are very linear and don’t use much head movement. Boxing helps with that. I am pretty unclear what combativeness really are all about. What I have seen are programmed attacks and defenses , but I am unsure if that is all they teach.
I have enjoyed teaching since I was an early low ranking student.
I realized I had a talent for it, when i was a young karate (Kong Sun Do) student. My group had just been taught something. I picked it up right away. One of my classmates was struggling, so I took him in the back room and taught him how to do it.
So this became the thing. Every class, I would learn the new thing, and immediately after class I would teach him (and later several more too). This went on for months, untill we got caught.
So basically, 3 or 4 people all learned everything for their 4rth rank, from me in the back room, 45 minutes after i learned it myself. I got as lot of satisfaction from that, and it spurred a life long passion for teaching in me.
So yeah, it IS totally possible to want to teach, just for the love of teaching.
Haha Mick not read his own website Overall the Foundation Instructor Programme consists of approximately 80 hours of direct instruction. The programme is open to male and female English speaking adults who are over the age of 18. No specific experience or prior training is essential. Successful certification qualifies an individual as a ‘Foundation Instructor’ and authorisation to conduct foundation-level training events up to and including seminars, including running C2 training groups and conducting private tuition - fully endorsed and supported.
This is his way of getting MMA sorts to "like" him. You absolutely have to respect anyone that trains hard and honestly puts in the work. Cage or ring... Street or backyard... Doesn't mean MMA is better than CQB style training. They both have their own arena. What matters is how it's taught and how it's trained...and for that you better find a quality instructor or have David Goggins style mentality!
Whats not included in all of that is that the 80 hours is spread over a long time and you will be expected to be extremely proficient in every aspect of what he teaches. It is the antithesis of most combatives become an instructor in a short space of time.
HATCHERS House of SYSTEMA if it doesn’t have a lot of sparring at different levels of intensity and goals then it isn’t going to help most non-experienced fighters. So as long as it has that and a lot of training at the different ranges it should be solid given the instructor understands the basics/fundamentals of violence and violent people.
Some of the combatives guys are good, especially some of the guys out of the UK and less than a hand full here in the U.S... But he is right, nothing beats reality based fighting against people who know how to fight and actually fight back..... But that does not mean combatives are useless and their principles are good at understanding violence, multiple attacks, and weapons, you need more - you need to feel it. I agree with him that even boxing and wrestling training and gyms are supreme..
Like because you the interview became in a fucking pub
"...cause THAT sh!t HURTS!" LOL This man's great, I hope he's still around and thriving
I'd say that maybe people want to be coaches because they are self aware of themselves. They know they're probably not gonna make it to stardom, but hey they're pretty good at teaching and showing people how to do things. I want to teach someday, but i know I need to get in the ring before that to actually get some credibility. But i know im not going to become a john wayne parr or something, and to be honest, not sure if I even want to. the fight game is rough.
Best way to find out is to put some gloves on, headgear too & go at it. Use what works & discard what doesnt. The issue here is mma is rules based like it or not. Plenty of matches were stopped due to eye gauges and grion strikes. Live sparring is the key to any successful art. If the art has too many coreographed moves, chances are it needs to spar more to see their effectiveness. But never grapple if youre in the streets to avoid multiple attacker scenarios. If its 1 v 1 go ahead but im not taking that chance personally.
Although I agree with his points about stress testing and sparring. Him calling combatives trainers that neglect these important aspects of training as "Hardcore" is some knuckle dragging ignorance. MMA can be effective for self protection, but ultimate IS a sport. Just like Muay Thai (the SPORT version of Muay Boran) or any other Fight Sport.
Real Combatives training involves sparring, stress testing, and Pain Compliance drills. If someone's Krav Maga or other combatives teacher isn't having them doing these things, then they are just another McDojo.
But let's not confuse these McDojos with actual CQC training. That's just some "Hoover-Level" ignorance.
Hoover-level ignorance!!!! That wins the Internet!!! Because that dude is a clown 🤡 amongst clowns 🤡
Not everybody wants to be "that" famous instructor, but it's helpful to know how to teach basic self defense and combative skills.
You need to be able to teach your friends and family, and then if it's their thing they'll go further, do MMA and so forth.
But if it's not their thing they at least know how it works, the dangers, the mindset, ... THE BASICS
It's the same for firearms, everybody want's to be tier one operator and shit, but 1% of carriying people get gun training, 0.01% does special forces tacticool stuff. We need to teach the 99% to be better. If the 99% gets 5% better on average (and if teached properly, with their starting level, it's more like 500% the first day) it's a lot more productive than teaching the 1% anything you can immagine.
Fighting is the same, it's important to teach "normal" people how to avoid confrontation and how to minimize danger/injury. An mma champion will be attacked either by stupid pricks (and doesn't need halp to bust them) or by professionnals who know who he is (and he'll have no chance even with the best training).
I agree the average person is not trying to be a martial artist it take alot of time send mental effort,but going to train a few basics is highly important...imagine your kid is a academic person who don't like being in a mma school,if you know a sum basics to equip him or her,they will feel more confident in a confrontation,and that goes for friends,family etc although if you can get them to go to mma then I would send them,it also have to fit in a person's life's schedule
There is no such thing as "Underwater Ninja Knife Fighting". Lol. 😂
*Slowly reaches up and takes down framed PHD of Underwater Basket Weaving*
I...... I want to be a jiu jitsu instructor? I like teaching, but I can't be in a school environment, I'm a former Marine, I cuss too much. I want to instruct less violent people than myself on how to keep themselves alive. I knew I was never going to be a champion, I don't care that much, don't have that fire. Soooooo, I don't know what to tell ya.
I think this guy is too much of a sports junkie. I figure, how stupid do you have to be, to what to get punched in the head for a living, or training every day for the upcoming brain damage? I'd fight to live, but not for a pitiful salary where only 1% of fighters can retire with savings.
300Ctildeath he seems to be using hyperbole to emphasize the point that fighting/sparring is better than just learning theory and drilling techniques.
Yet his school is defined as “combative”🤔 However, I agree with much of what he says. You need experience before you teach. Real experience.
He's trying to sell you something. "all the other guys are dweebs, I have the REAL real fighting, because I fought in MMA matches!"
He says in his first sentence that more Combatives are being done in MMA gyms than most self-professed reality based systems. It’s a term. The content of what he’s saying stands on it’s own two feet if you don’t get hung up on terminology.
@@vanivanov9571 Mick has NEVER claimed to have competed in MMA, hence he doesn’t teach that.
I concur with everything Mick has said. I am a MMA coach because I was an exceptional fighter, who suffered an injury. And this stuff does hurt.
that hurted me too ...
Yes I agree
Mostly people want a quick fix. Nothing good is easy.
If you want to be tough it takes tim.
Join the royal marines or paras. Or even take up ninjitsu or something.
Hope it helps
But I am afraid of what the neighbors will think if they see me running with my arms behind me like that
If it works on the guy who trains to defend it, then it’ll work on the guy who doesn’t. Why is that so difficult to understand; because it’s an excuse to not truly spar.
I respect your opinion, but it's just that. You forgot about those who train for the purpose of self defense and fall in love with it. There are martial artist who have been training since they were 8, they weren't in it to be champions. You forgot about Veteran folks who go to combatives because it's like home to them. Not everyone goes into martial arts for sport. I agree you should strive to be awesome at it and then teach. But not every talented fighter could be a coach either.
Now for MMA training translating into the streets, he'll yeah it does. The conditioning, pressure, and reps will help tremendously. MMA will not be the best for a surprise knife or machete fight though. God bless!
I’m one of those martial artist you talk about started training on and off since 8 years old did kickboxing got bored with it teaching self defense because I was a bouncer and had to fight foreal I have a small group like me got tired of the politics and did like the HEMA guys and start training ourselves yes we get challenged from mma guys and traditionals but knock them out because we have real world experience so I agree with you 💯 percent
Y do people always stop mma at the sport I train mma means bjj,stricking,knives,guns, and batons mixing it up
I disagree!
MMA, Tactical, and Combat are different mindsets, yet can be synonymous in technique. A person with a combative mindset accepts their adversary(s) may be better boxers, grapplers and or wrestlers. Which is why force multipliers are essential to those of a combative mindset, a mindset which is to get home to ones family by any means necessary! Therefore, we don't fear the rear naked, triangle chokes etc; having a clinch pick or HAK knife in our possession capable of severing the "humeral trochlea" of the elbow, or dozens of other lethal applications to defeat the boxer, grappler, wrestler and or a MMA practitioner is the essence of combat.
A lot of great points in a thoughtful, articulate conversation... But, where do I sign up for Underwater Ninja Knife Fighting Combatives Instructor Training? Where's the link?
I agree with this. My issue is that none of these trainings and schools combine all in one which are hands on, edged weapons, impact weapons and handguns---in a force on force concept in a realistic environment with realistic training implements as possible in a force on force. I have had to go to hands on school, knife school, impact school, and shooting school. Closest I seen so far is Southnarc aka Craig Douglas
Well fuck I guess I’ll get my money back for the 2 day American Jedi course I signed up for
Any trained fighter will have gone through hundreds of sparing fights by the time he gets to a real sanctioned fight. His reactions will all be fine tuned and happen as a matter of reflext not thought. If you're not trained then it will not be instinctive. You'll have to think about it. You're screwed before you can finish that thought. Your best thought will be RUN!
Not particularly. There can be a trained fighter who fought loads of amateur street fights initially, (very real fights) and then took to the gym to learn how to really fight. To sum the fighter got to a fight way before "hundres of sparring fights" and then got trained. Doesnt denounce his training but hes had far many tastes of a real fight before training any at all.
@@michaelkarl783 "loads of street fights" does not equal professional training where they will have hundreds of sparing fights before a sanctioned match.
But that is ok... You keep thinking that bull shit. And when you come across a real trained fighter you'll get your ass kicked bad.
I beat the living shit out of a trained Marine who also thought his "loads of fights" meant he could fight a trained guy.... he and all his military training was very wrong.
Most likely if some one has been in loads of street fights that person has also spend loads of time in jail. Eating junk jail food that is designed to make you slow and sluggish while there.
You're argument is just loads of crap.
Your name explains it all....
No maybe it's your first and when got attacked, also when you are indee real attack and violence your response is fight or fly and your mind can easy remember small fast easy move than spectacular techniques.
@@oneguy7202 You can't even speak English.
Stupid little foreign kid. Go back to school.
Nothing you said makes any sense at all.
@@starbattles1 "street fights" have no rules, you have to deal with fight stress (survival stress reaction) and a myriad of other things...weapons, friends, etc...all the sparing and matches have rules and you know who and what you are up against and you don't have to fear being killed... they require different skill sets
Depends on what you mean by "combative." Lee Morrison has a system called Urban Combatives and always pressure tests what he teaches. He isn't looking for a title or championship, but to be the best he can be to survive another day.
Lol
Define pressure testing. How does he do it?
@@rigohook1160 badly lol
Lee Morrison and Geoff Thompson are exceptional and way beyond this guy. There stuff has been pressure tested in the streets and bars where they worked.
@@geojanson2605 Knocking out drunks that mostly were defenseless.
What's the protein shake they are drinking
LOL Mick's on fire here, cool vid.
Everyone wants to be a fighter, nobody wants to do the 20hrs per week of fight training and roadwork.
I think this hits the nail dead on the head. 'I want to be famous', instead of being told to actually 'become famous'. You can't just 'be' a trainer. You have to seriously excel at what you are trying to train. But I guess that is a 'Millennial' thing. Look up some of Simon Sinek's stuff...
But what if I'm not a narcissist, and just like to help people and learn the art? Granted, he didn't say you have to be an MMA star, just that you should get good at it, first.
The ping pong is funny as hell in the background.
I like Mick Coup! He put it simple and on point. Same I'm always talking about. As long as you never forget that a streetfight has no rules compared to what ever MA you are doing and put the effort in, you will be on the safe side.
Yes, if you adapt your MMA to real life conditions, it can be fine for that. So, be cautious of ground-fighting, practice against multiple opponents, practice with model weapons.
You really think an MMA fighter doesn't know how to fight without rules lol
@@nickelmanful You obviously would do very good with MMA against most steet thugs and fools that will challange you on street. BUT in the very unlikley situation that you meet a better well roundet guy, you will not. You wouldn't belive how many boxers would just box on the street. They wouldn't even think about trying to hit the groins or kick etc. Because they are just so used to their ruleset. I saw to very versed MMA guys fighting FOR REAL it was the most hilariouse thing ever because it was the cleanest fight I've ever watched. Even compared to some competition fights and it was on the street. But there were no illegal strikes, no biting, no scratching, no attacks to the groins or anything you could possibly think of. In situations like this when the adrenaline hits you to your toes, there is no thinking anymore. Your body does what it is used to. If you've never kicked you won't kick. If you never wrestled you won't wrestle, eben if there is a nice stick beside you, you most probably wouldn't even think about it. Which for example a Eskrima, Kali, Krav Maga etc. guy most definetly would. That's at least what I was thinkin and mentioning here. 😎👍
All those krav maga self defense guys should listen to this
Didn't the Judo Champion of Germany die in a knife mugging? The idea that being a sports champion means you're well equipped to survive is utter hogwash. But yeah, results based outcome, as in: In a fight between one guy who uses MMA, against another guy using MMA, the guy using MMA always wins, so you have a 100% chance of victory!
There are plenty of "street defence" systems that are garbage, con-jobs. That doesn't mean you should give up trying to adapt your tactics to real world and real life scenarios, outside of a ring. MMA can be adapted pretty well, but you have to be conscious and make those adaptations. Not think that your champion belt is knife proof, so you are. Look at the First Person Defender videos, if you want a dose of reality. Guns are the first choice for self defence.
Van Ivanov you just used a “didn’t the guy without a knife die in a mugging by an attacker with a knife” example as an argument? I think a lot more context is needed to prove your point.
@@eclipsewrecker ...I think you're having some trouble forming a coherent sentence. Since this wasn't a movie, there aren't cameramen standing by to record the fight scene, so the context is finding a body with knife wounds. So what context did you _expect?_
Van Ivanov so a guy got stabbed. What was your point? What martial art protects an unarmed guy from being stabbed? Coherent? Maybe, and your statements are conjecture or false equivalency at best.
@@eclipsewrecker ...Yeah, a lot of trouble with coherent sentences. Even if you can interpret that mess, the logic is from some alien world.
You're questioning the ability for any martial art to protect against knives? ...What does that have to do with me? If you don't think any can, then that's fine, you also disagree with the video.
Van Ivanov it’s not a guarantee..So using the judoka being killed isn’t a good argument/example. Did He only have judoka skills? Was he killed with any chance to actually stop it? What skills would’ve prevented his death? I apologies for the miscommunication. I was pointing out the flaw in your example, or the false equivalency in using “well equipped (in unarmed combat)” to mean armed combat as well.
I quit MMA because of how a slow process it takes to learn things and the amount of soft sparring they had.
I decided to stick too Boxing and wrestling.
(mauy Thai later on)
Can’t disagree.
MMA is good training in the striking zone, but combatives is superior if you're grappling.
everyone wants that magic pill that cures everything, that one magic wrench that works on every nut. I want that efortless pill to give me thin shredded 6 pack abs. I found that one magic thing: trainning. train hard, enjoy the blood sweat and tears. PS. shout out to Phil's left jab for straightening my nose
100% agree! Train in a system for a couple of years and get the feel of what it's like getting your head knocked around. On the other hand you might get stabbed in a grappling match with a crackhead.
Outstanding points. To anyone saying "well how do I be a good instructor for combatitives and self defense then?" It's the same as those sports and MMA. You have to do the thing. In sports, eventually you become self-aware of concepts, applications, and fundamentals. It's the same for the other side. Guess what? You don't learn that shit on a weekend course. You need to study human predatory behavior. You need to study other aspects of psychology. How to get your own brain in gear before you get it smashed in. Teaching your body to respond to negative and sudden aggression. THEN, you can maybe use those things you learned on that weekend course. If you don't get stuck in the freeze. Gonna just run away? Cool, how's your fitness level? Can you run more than 5 steps without getting winded? What about if the predator is a faster runner? Etc. Be a lifelong student. Keep learning. Keep asking questions. Here's a novel idea. Cross train.
Experience is a good teacher. So, people like Marc Animal MacYoung are pretty good, for this sort of thing. A guy who has been in a bunch of sports fights has no business talking about it.
@@vanivanov9571 Macyoung is a complete fraud. Mick isn;t a sports guy as you have wrongly assumed. He is ex military who teaches special forces, SWAT etc how to fight in the most efficient way possible.
So this guy is a combatives instructor but he sayes combatives training is pointless ?
Everyone ELSE'S combatives training is pointless. He is an MMA fighter, that's better than any amount of real world experience.
Talking, talking, beer. Not bad. And who cares? Everybody for himself if the situation is deadly.
One hour pub stream would be EPIC!!!!!!!!!
Maybe this drunken old man knows about things or maybe Not. Talking is cheap, proofing is much harder. In general most special forces trust martial arts instructors. Real fighting is better than Training for sure, but without Training und will never get to a useful fighting level.
Regardless what martial arts you practice if you are not doing real sparring you are not doing anything. I have got in fights and I held my own and that shit looked awesome when the police played it back to me but it's nothing like getting in a fight with guys who are constantly sparring.
Well well well, I guess I should've expected this sooner or later. D Condo and Luke Hobbs said most of what I wanna say, so I'll hopefully summarise what needs to be added in:
Similar to how gun guys say that competitive shooting like IPSC, IDPA or 3-Gun is impractical and teaches bad shooting habits/techniques that only work in competition and will get you killed in a real encounter, when there's been absolutely **ZERO** statistics to prove their point.
I'd say MMA is similar to a certain extent. You have a guy trained with a range techniques that are quite useful in a real encounter. Similarly, your techniques have been stress tested against resisting opponents, which is essential for testing and memorization of said techniques. But other than mindset & preparation, you have no direct transference of MMA training into real Self Defence encounters. You should avoid going to the ground in a streetfight. Bas Rutten among the many coaches that will tell you that. Oh and the whole myth about the majority of fights going to the ground in a streetfight/self defence situation like it's an inevitable fact? That's total BS, concocted and spun by MMA fans and coaches. It was a statement taken completely out of context from Citizens Arrest Records, nothing to do with streetfights. Now you wanna try sprawling on concrete/blacktop? I'd like to see how your knees & hands hold up. Likewise for weapons. Last I checked, MMA doesn't train with weapons. You can't defend adequately against a weapon attack if you're not thoroughly trained with using said weapons.
Finally, this has all been well and truely done & dusted by the eloquent writer Phil Elmore aka The Martialist. He wrote a fantastic article explaining with perfect and irrefutable clarity that MMA is inadequate for Self Defence and RBSD. He's done a much better job that I ever could hope to write, so I'll reference his statements:
themartialist.net/mma-rbsd-tma-internet/
I dont think there's anything wrong with wanting to become an instructor/teacher without going through a long laundry list fighting career...Look at Shane Fazen on fighttips. Yes, he had a few fights but it's not like he was a pro super star. He still creates awesome content.
Yes, but the people who have had a long fighting career want to have gotten something out of it. You know, besides medical issues.
Sorry Mick, you are dead wrong my friend. Two reasons why you're wrong. (1) The fight environment dictates the rules of engagement. In other words, the Octagon does not permit primary and secondary weapons, eye-gouging, head butts, strikes to the groin nor tearing it off. Yet, in a CQB environment, each of those strategies drops your enemy in seconds. Those who don't understand what the term "rules of engagement" means, look it up. (2) Mission objective dictates the preferred tactics and strategies one can use. In other words, if an FBI hostage rescue team is tasked with retrieving kidnap victims from an armed group of human traffickers with a helo extraction pick up in less than two minutes, then your mission objective is to kill the enemy as quickly as possible. There is no time to punch, kick nor grapple. Sport MMA concepts don't even belong in the conversation. After 16-years in special operations military service with a decade of experience in high-risk fugitive recovery work, never once in my profession was a Muay Thai kick thrown nor boxing punch even attempted. Never in 20 years! Why not? Because the objective is to kill, not win by a "tap". This is why MMA footwork, ring control, bobbing-and-weaving, and all of the techniques that produce an exceptional MMA champion are worthless in a dark room with armed hostiles waiting to shoot or cut me. The two principles that I shared above are irrefutable principles. Those two principles (when understood) prove that you cannot bring [sport MMA concepts] into an environment where the objective is to kill your enemy with a weapon and kill as quickly as possible.
Too bad there’s no mma gyms in my town of Newton.
I just cant with this guy, every video he makes is a joke to me. Competition training is restricted by rules of engagement where I never will be and that is the difference in training, when your being taught how to kill with your hands you can't go full force or guess what people can die in training. He is either just ignorant of actual martial arts training or selling something.
Yeah, he is selling something. He also has self defence combatives type courses. So he's trying to sell the idea that his is the REAL real stuff. Because apparently, no one is going to hit you in the junk in real life, pull a knife on you, have a buddy, or grab your hair.
@Noah G. that's not real life. It's a controlled environment, I'm trained for life or death situations and I can seriously hurt someone faster than any ref could stop it. A fight is so much more than bashing the other guy into oblivion, I can potentially hospitalize someone without actually striking them once. I love I mma and mixed martial arts but to state that mma is the best thing out there just cuz it's a full contact sport is plain falsehood to me.
@Noah G. Well, you might be an edgy teen trying to pretend to have years of experience in boxing and MMA? There are several moves which can end fights very quickly. Stomping the arc of the foot, breaking the sternum, smashing heads on concrete or even breaking necks like in the movies. Of course, weapons are a far better way to end the fight rapidly. And I think it's downright idiotic, to be more concerned that you're not Charles Bronson than the fact that you WON using an improvised weapon. So yeah, your mom sounds like a better survivor than you.
This bullshit nonsense logic about being restricted by rules lol it is far easier for an mma fighter to kill, eye poke, bite, throw groin strikes than some combatives clown who trains a preset move under easy conditions.
@@damonross8400 sure you can
The British man has it so right about life.
Give Lee Morrison a try guy!
I want to be a teacher. be a good student first
Yeah this guy is totally right. Bullocks to everything else. All military needs to train MMA instead of that combat science stuff. 🙄
@Noah G. ...HAAahahahah... no. MMA chumps get torn to shreds by the USMC: ua-cam.com/video/VyllQuQuHZE/v-deo.html
Why do so many MMA talents end up in JAIL or long time prison? Is that "superior"? Why do MMA "champions"often behave like turds and trashbags? Is that the example for the kids?
The claim that people who want to to teach and pass on something only do it because they want to be famous or could not be "sports champions" shows an egoist and narcissist mentality. Basically he is saying that people only do things for selfish reasons but not because they enjoy helping others. Many Asian and traditional teachers, teach for free or little contributions and ask their (selected)students not to talk about it. Most MMA "professors" have NO IDEA about non-commercial referral-only teachers. These teachers, often ex-military or law enforcement, have no interest in being famous. They just want family and friends to be safe. (sounds crazy right?)
The desire to help your kids, nephews, nieces and selected, vetted friends of family be safer and confident is NATURAL. Any soldier, cop or fire fighter wants to pass skills and knowledge on to their kids at least. So why would martial artists not want to pass on??? This guy just put all non-MMA teachers under the same label of failed wanna-be. It would be refreshing to see an MMA teacher that teaches this "superior" art for symbolic compensation, FREE or break-even. You know, not commercial but just for helping others be safer.
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I have never seen an MMA club or tournament where one guy has to spar against 2 or 3. If it's all about realism, cut the one-on-one nonsense because that is a foolish dream scenario. Why not get really real and prepare for the truth of a burglary, home invasion or hood-rat robbery? (where 5 to 10 drunken teens jump you AT ONCE)
Yes, MMA & SPORTS people that spar and get hit every week have great fitness, endurance, strength and conditioning. Bravo MMA & Sports, you are the fittest of the fittest. It is true. You have the biggest and baddest muscles. It is true. You fight more than anyone else. It is true. You can take hits better than most people. It is true.
Do MMA & SPORTS techniques keep us out of jail? Do they even allow us to deal with aggression without looking like THE AGGRESSOR to police and judges? Do they prepare us for being outnumbered? Do they teach us to behave like decent persons with self-control?
NO. MMA & SPORTS training is based on 1-vs-1 with rules, clean and ideal location and time limits. It conditions our mind and body for the SAME SCENARIO. And sometimes, on our day off, to suckerpunch old men.
MMA training is a bonus or extra besides something else. It is good to toughen up and get a taste of getting hit or gassing out. It is not the main course, but a side dish or supplement.
That dudes shirt is cool
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Who is guy? Do any of you know?
I have listened to this guy talk a lot of nonsense but I will explain a thing to you right- what a fighter does and soldier does is not the same thing.
If you need to fight a man go train at fighting,
If to the basics of killing a man with or with out your weapon learn combatives.
In a fight if someone dies it's a tragedy or a crime,
In combat people are expected to die, people will die..... Lots of people.
Having the skills a good fighter possesses is useful but not necessary on the battlefield because everybody shows up armed man that's the real world. It's much easier to kill a man than it is to fight a man, 2 guys can punch each other in the ring many times but David killed Goliath with a Rock and going to one shot, do you understand?
Humans are not actually very physically tough and we aren't actually very physically strong, if you think you are go wrestle 40-lb chimpanzee it will kill you easily. Combatives are NOT about fighting they are about combat.
Have you heard of google? Look him up. I can also assure you that Mick is the real deal. More real than you can fathom.
Do some research. If you do, it might illuminate the silliness of your commentary 🙏
@@FunkerTactical ...OK, his comment is silly for suggesting soldiers train differently from MMA sports fighters? That's the last straw, I'm unsubscribing from this channel. It used to have good videos, but lately all I see is click bait and garbage from it.
I also recommend people look at the USMC combat manuals and the like, instead of sport fighting. There are some similarities, sure.
@@simongildea4525 Try searching for Marc "Animal" MacYoung. He's got a pretty good website, no nonsense self defence, to deal with all this BS that a champion MMA fighter is an expert at dealing with knives and guns and muggers, despite never training to deal with any of those things. Also, check out this video, where the USMC brutalizes UFC fighters: /watch?v=VyllQuQuHZE
Because they're fighters, not warriors, not soldiers, not killers. They're good at dealing with a single unarmed attacker, preferably with certain rules about smashing heads on concrete.
@Noah G. ...HAAAaahahaha! Thanks for revealing you're a total idiot, with no idea about the military. Soldiers never train for unarmed combat? How old are you? You claimed to be a sports combat expert, with years of boxing and MMA... but if you didn't know soldiers train for unarmed combat, you must be an ignorant example of a ten year old. And if you are... there's no need to be embarassed about that. But stop lying.
Shared this video before, but it seems you were too busy lying that I said something about broken glass and tables to notice it. It features the Marines practicing unarmed and melee weapon combat, and totally destroying some UFC guys. Those UFC guys seemed nice and humble, unlike you. Please scroll up and watch the video.
lol, wrong info MMA fighters they are used to one on one...and sometimes they are confuse with streetfights...
Self defense training is NO RULES direct and straight forward...more deadly
You don't fight multiple opponents...you fight one opponent at a time.
@@FunkerTactical Then you've never been in a street fight. Most street fights are NOT one on one . I learned it the hard way.
@@FunkerTactical wrong, I get mugged by gangs on street multiple times, there is no 1 vs 1 fair fight on street
Actually if you are trained well you understand how to move and funnel your opponents to make it so you don't get surrounded. Lots of martial arts train you in taking multiple opponents.
@@SMS2884 Doesn't matter that can work but work in real life. Dude if 5 or more people rush you at one your going down to ground at least once. This ain't the movies where some martial arts guys is beating up 30 people...
Combatives, and MMA are not mutually exclusive. Train MMA for conditioning, and discipline. Take a combatives course once a year, or two to brush up on your:
De escalation tactics
Rapid first aid
Stress psychology
Pressure testing your MMA against real environments
Environmental awarness
Local laws...
The two aren't really comparable, since they cover differnet intention. Lots of great guys do, and teach combatives. Karateka, kickboxers, and so on.
Krav Mega is one of the best self defense & combat martial arts in existence becaise it is also "results based". This style/art has was created by Israelis and has been proven to be effective since the 1930's.
Total dude
Ive had 3yrs of jujitsi training. Ive learned you've got to have alot of cardio. My goguru karate not sure of the spelling. My younger yrs her thing lots of cardio in class
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Think that shirt is to big for him. Sparing is overrated.
You should test your techniques. Some sparring is necessary, but taking it to the extent of sports fighting and points is a problem.
@@vanivanov9571 sparing can keep you in box and also keep you from utilizing all your power. Killer instinct and patience is essential to be victorious.
@@drexelking8792 You should check out the First Person Defender series on youtube. Roleplaying scenarios similar to what it uses are great for testing your skills, and practicing your stress response.
MMA is good, but mostly good for the arena and that is only if u train only for MMA. Although it is the closest u can get to the blood sport competition it still falls under rules and regulations. Combatives on the other hand involves real world training. Navy Seals, Rangers, Green Berets, Foreign Legion are just to name a few. But all are known for being the best at hand to hand combat. They don't train to exchange punches although there is punching involved.But for the most part they are taught to disable or kill. Forget that phoney stuff u see advertised on the web where it only takes 3 days to learn. The closest i have seen resembling any effective combative art in the open market is certain variations of the Applegate system.