The SECRET to the INXS guitar sound? REVEALED! Studio gear used on "I need you Tonight"
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- I attempted to recreate the "I need you tonight" guitar sound by INXS.
This is my fav clean guitar sound and I chased it until I almost lost it. It took me a WEEK! I was so confident and in the end I was a crazy person.
The chain was a telecaster and a strat into a Marshall plexi and greenback speakers.
The mic was a FET condenser mic with am SM57 in x/y axis. I forgot to mention that in the video. I recreated that too.
The bass guitar waas messed up due to a limitation of my software that no longer supported sf2 sound fonts. DOH! So the bass was off as I was supposed to blend the synth in with the fender bass.
I recreated the SSL console as good as I could via emulation.
I also tried to recreate the tape but that was the main limitation. I could not get the punch and warmth/excitment of the compressed tape getting pushed.
Effects were the yamaha spx90 and MXR digital delay.
Guitar was a Japanese or Korean strat and a tele loaded with 80's fender USA pickups.
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I knew that they were literately the best band in the world before watching your video.
Now,..... I just have no words to describe the perfectionism and complexity of those guys as musicians and producers.
Also, I used to think that they were very lucky to have Michael, but Michael was equally as lucky to have that band behind him.
My God!!! I will never find a band like that for myself in my life time.
Yep. A real band. And to think the label initially rejected the Kick album. The producer said he’d quit if they didn’t release it. Stood up for the band.
@@CIRCLEOFTONE that's insane. Kick is a masterpiece
great job sir
Martin Schaffmeir Thanks Martin. Appreciate you listening.
I dont concider this song pop when i think of pop i think of no guitars just computer loops and dumb lyric lots of autotune i concider it classic rock or something along those lines
So this comment is going to be totally left field but I may own one of Tim Farris's old back up Marshall JCM 800's.
The person I bought it off claims that the fellow he bought it off researched the company that serviced it and they said going by the serial number, it was one of his amps. Whether it's true or not, who knows but I do also own a n INXS Road Case as well.
Nice. What speakers were in it?
@@CIRCLEOFTONE The actual JCM 800 head it self. Not the cab
I mute the lower strings with my left hand index finger when I play the part you're talking about where they maybe removed strings
What tone settings you got on Plexi? Chorus, Delay? Thank you.
Loved the video… can you tell me what delay settings were used?
The mxr rack i used is a short delay with limited options but I can't remember the specifics.
thanks mate
@@CIRCLEOFTONE
We're talking about TONE here, not the song, so I offer the guitar work on Cyndi Lauper's Girls Just Want To Have Fun. I know, I know...but it's the guitar tone I'm after, nothing more. Can you do it? I have not been successful so far.
That is a great tone. No idea how to get it.
I saw a doco a long time ago and i swear I saw sticky tape being used on strings to numb them. maybe thats what they used.. maybe... not sure.
+Freibuis Fuknuckal Yep that’s been done. If you are not cheating, you are not trying. Ha ha.
they weren't metal but their early gigs were mainly in miner's pubs, so the guys of INXS are/were as tough as they come! nice video man!
Yep. Bar bands in Australia have seen it all.
Sounds bang on, but it's the bass that elevates the riff to greatness imo! It's kind of anaemic without it.
this is probably favorite video of yours. i love that inxs tone, and i don't ever hear anyone talk about it. thank you.
what about the mullets the farris brothers had..? any tips? i need one.
I think it involves rugby.
Fyn, I challenge you to recreate a good clean guitar tone, i.e. Robbie Blunt on I'm in the Mood for a Melody, Burning Down One Side and Edie Brickell's What I Am.
Ryan Breese oooh. Good choices. Esp the Im in the Mood. Trouble is...I have to be really passionate about the track to cover it. So my enthusiasm is genuine. Does that make sense? I like the tracks you mentioned but i cover obsessions of mine. I think I got close to the In the Mood ryth tone with this ua-cam.com/video/B4Qu2UdsdWo/v-deo.html
Nice work. I'm Australian and love this series. I really had forgotten how huge INXS was back then when the Kick album broke in the USA.
More band recreations please.
TimB4305 thanks. Will do. Amazing album. Game changer because it was completely original.
Love your content! And you have one interesting assortment of pictures on the wall :)
baphomick Delighted you like it. I was thinking of having a competition: The winner gets to to straighten 3 pictures on the wall of his/her choice. Haha.
Great video and choice of song. Love INXS!!!
May I ask which documentary is it that you saw? Really interested in giving it a watch
Can't remember sorry.
Been really interested in some nice clean tones for a change. Great work on this vid! I think another obvious great clean tone is by Tears for Fears, Songs from the Big Chair. Cheers!
Ohhh. Good suggestion.
So did you actually play us a recording of your attempt, or are you just talking about it? I'm really confused.
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@@CIRCLEOFTONE Thanks!!
That phenomenon of things cleaning up a bit with the effects is compression. Oddly I kind of realized how important this is when working on clean patches for the Fractal AX8. As I was learning the process I took some factory presets and couldn't understand how they were remaining so clean sounding while my patches using the same amp were breaking up so much earlier. A compressor before the amp helped keep the signal from reaching the break-up point while still being able to play relatively hard. INXS no doubt had the perfect compressor early on in the chain here.
Yeah it's hard to put my finger on but I have a feeling i can get closer with my old MXR compressor that I used on Adam and the Ants video. It had that bloom that my demo lacks
The guitars in the intro are actually panned left and right. Listening with headphones makes it a lot easier to understand the sound.
One guitar is drowned in chorus, the other one has the delay on it. Both are probably been treated with a lot of compression.
I personally love to use a volume pedal. This way I can choose how hard I want to hit the amp without turning knobs on the amp itself.
In the middle of the song there's one guitar playing something with a kinda wobbly effect on top of it. So far I haven't found out what exactly the are playing and what effect they were using. But they play this part live as well... Do you have any clues what this might be?
super Job love the INXS sound always wondered what they did to get that guitar sound.
Joe Dov thanks Joe. That Yamaha spx90 goes for less than $100 these days. Complete bargain.
Great job and research!
To me it never sounded like a Fender amp, I always expected it beeing a Marshall.
I think they split in the recording between the first chords and the high chords like a call and response.
To me the first chords sound a bit more like Tele than Strat. I was irritated when I saw Kirk playing both parts in live vidoes. To me these are two very different sounds and aproaches. Maybe I am completely wrong in this case, who knows.
Always assumed it was straight to the board and typical rack stuff of the era... H3000, tri-stereo chorus, DMX15, maybe some lexicon.
You did these guys right. I love that you love the musicians of INXS.. good job
We shouldn't forget that the most important thing in an amp is the cabinet :) like the pickups on a guitar, it's the "last" component we hear
Well, go on then do Chris Isaak's Wicked Game. James Calvin Wilsey also did a great solo record completely on a Line6 Pod, check that out!
They may have used packing tape to dampen unnecessary strings. Much love and respect for Vlad Dracula. He was a sick sadistic bastard. I love and look up to him.
PS, you shouldn't be so surprised about Plexis for clean tones; JTM45s have loads of really nice clean head room.
My all time favorite band! And Song!
The Sun Dog Back in those days die hard "true metal" crowd secretly loved three bands: INXS, Cameo and Gary Numan.
Can you believe the record label rejected the whole kick album? It was the producer who threw his weight at the record label execs and insisted on the release.
Really. I have never heard if Gary Numan, I'm going to check him out.
Ohhh! Cars! 😄
I'm sticking with Michael 😉
The Sun Dog haha. Gary is still at it. Check it out: ua-cam.com/video/pkgQ88G8Hj8/v-deo.html
make a video if you want about home recording, mics, mics potition, prices etc.
Thank you so much, needed this for talent show
Perfect! You got it!
+Daisy Doodle Thanks!
lol
Just a thought, could the transparent clear guitar you're referencing be actually the Roland Jazz Chorus 120 which Tim Farriss uses on occasion vs the Marshall turned way down?? You can see the JC on stage during Live videos as well as his and KP's Marshalls.
+43SLOWJOH Yep. But the producer made no mention of them on his interview talking about the gear used on it. He said it was all Marshalls.
I always wondered if they used a Silver Jubilee since it has a really crisp clean. Given the date this came out it was likely a plexi or 800.
Crimson Ghost Yep. I used the plexi you see to the side of me. Have you seen how cheap a new silver jubilee is? Marshall are currently blowing them out. It's an amazing deal.
I bought one about a year ago and I love it. I run a Yamaha Magicstomp in the loop with a midiverb II. The magicstomp has all of the spx presets on it.
Crimson Ghost I had a magicstomp as my main effect for 3 years. It's the most underrated multi pedal.
Nice! I put mine away a few years ago when the Pod HD500 came out. When I got my Marshall I wanted those sweet 80's effects and the magicstomp has all my favorite spx tones in it and it sounds great in the loop of my Marshall. I consider the modulation effects on the Magicstomp to be some of the best available.
Crimson Ghost it was especially good in the loop. A lot of other effects/racks sounded terrible in the loop. Yamaha effects are so underrated. It was the Yamaha SPX90 that was the main effect in this video. You can pick them up for $80!! Less than a pedal.
Dirty guitar sound ~good. Muted clean riff ~ good. The clean guitar chord ~ almost...not quite
+TheDeepShallowness Yep. Agree.
I saw them on that tour and they were using Tokai tele & Strat copies, at the show I was at.
Yep. I love my tokai.
What DAW do you use? And what mic do you use to record? Im looking for a free DAW thats really really simple to use for a beginner? Ive been using tascam 8 track for ever and i bought a audio interface recently to try out this modern way of recording straight to the computer but the DAW it came with was atrocious and stupid complex, took the fun out of recording for me.
Snooze00 hi. Hi! Glad you want to get into this. For a beginner you'll need two mic's. Get them used. An SM57 (essential) and a KAM crystal mic. So you'll get condenser and dynamic. The DAW software will be free with the interface you buy. I recommend a UH7000 but that's not cheap. A Roland quad is great. Good luck!
Snooze00 and the easiest to use is either garage band or Sonar home studio.
CIRCLE OF TONE Your friend for guitar tone thankyou for the advice
Snooze00 no prob! UA-cam is amazing when it comes to learning. Lots of step by step processes like inserting tracks, choosing the mic input etc.
Tim Farriss and Kirk Penguilly are complete music geniuses! And to think the record company offered them tons of money to make a new album and not release Kick...
Way Past Cool RIGHT!? I read that and forgot to mention it. The label was aghast when they heard the album. I think that era was the tipping point where more formulaic A&R men started to infest the music business, replacing the old guard who used to take risks and even (gasp) sign ugly bands.
uhm... ua-cam.com/video/WEtSDf1SC6Q/v-deo.html
Johnny Tilek uummmm did the title state “how to play INXS perfectly?” No. I get copyright strikes if I copy it perfectly.
They are awesome musicians, they were unique, why you trying to say they removed strings. Just because it doesn't compute with you....
It's a very old studio trick including taping strings.
Great attempt. Love your work. You asked for what I thought. I thought it could have been more punchier for UA-cam upload. I think sound quality is degraded thru upload. But the sound was there it was spot on. Maybe crank guitar sound slightly to allow for degradation. I enjoy the easiness and calmness in your presentations. Awesome.
Also I agree they must have removed strings.
Close...ish. I think you need to lose the slapback, or at least reduce the mix. And in the original, the guitar is louder/present in comparison to the drum track. Also the B# note of the first chord is more prominent. Its so rhythmically punchy, fat and present. I dunno what it is. More compression maybe ... definitely a tough one; I couldn't do it. You got the detune effect just right.
CNCTEMATIC yep. Probably why I did a 100 attempts. I got close but there are subtle things I was missing. Big one is tape compression. They are really slamming that tape.
But regarding the delay, go listen to the original. It's more prominent than you think.
Hey many thanks for your replies. OK I had another listen, and I think I discovered something. I'm listening on studio monitors, and something interesting happens when I isolate right or left by turning one of the monitors off in turn. There is one guitar track that is panned hard right, and just does the B#-B#-B# part of the riff. There are at least three guitar tracks, maybe more, but this one track panned hard right (a) is the loudest in the mix, and (b) has zero echo. When you isolate the left side, the echo and chorus are much more prominent; much wetter, with not just slap but a trailing 300ish ms echo (and closer to your performance). I think there is one track panned centre which has both echo and detune, but it's that track panned hard right that really slams the quarter notes and grabs the attention, and it has no echo. Hence my impression I think. Also, the voicing of the B# on said hard right track has no E or A strings involved. Do you think I'm onto something? cheers
CNCTEMATIC yep. Mine has 3 or 4 guitar tracks blended too. One of which is wetter. I know I barre the whole chord, but I'm muting (mostly by avoiding striking the the E and the A( when I play. I actually mention that in the video. Where I marvel at how clean they played it, suspecting they removed the A and the E string.
Sorry, man, gotta say it doesn't sound like it. I think I got a closer tone with a quick Amplitube 4 [ Slash AFD 100 Marshall, chrous stomp, compression stomp] and the wrong guitar. I've only got a really cheap humbuckered Ibanez. If it was a Fender, it would of course sound better.
This is the riff, which is just looped 4 times. It isn't doubled or panned or mixed or anything. I played the 2 guitar parts together and shifted the delay on with my pedal. soundcloud.com/lee-robson-930705489/inxs-need-you-tonight-loop-amplitube-4/s-KqZXE
Lee Robson sounds good man.