I love the colours of heated copper but I hate what sealants do to them, hence I either leave them unsealed and warn potential buyers(and advise them what they can use if they wish to seal and that it will kill some of the colour) , or keep heat treated pieces for myself.
Totally understand how frustrating it is for finished pieces to not contain the same amount of color as you intended…I’ve been sealing and informing customers of the before and after-that the sealant acts as a UV filter like glass-so their pieces may be a little less blue.
Are you saying that spray painting copper with a clear-coat or even using clear nail polish will removed, or at least fade, a colored patina on copper?
@@desertmoonshinejewelry2020 Maybe try sealing it with carnauba wax by lightly heating the piece up and applying the wax layer? I'm not sure if it will work here with copper, but i've seen this method used to seal damascus steel art pieces and etched blades so that the colour and contrast remain. Maybe worth a shot?
@@lourias any sealant seems to dull some of the blues a bit -it’s a widespread struggle for flame painters trying to find a way to preserve the brightness of their copper’s colors.
@@jacksonmcready3238 worth a try but I have a feeling heating it will alter the colors that have just been oxidized onto the piece or buffing the wax in any way may mess with the layer of oxidization. Someone also suggested nano ceramic plating so I’m researching that too. Thank you for your input!
Beautiful colours and design. I have not tried this type of jewellery making yet - what is that black circular thing you hover over your work - would it be something like a cooler?
It’s a fume extractor-I didn’t have a fan at the time so I was using the fume extractor to help cool my metal so the temperature would land on the color I hoped for.
I’m using the hose for both actually since I don’t have a little desk top fan yet. And you are correct, it will continue to oxidize unless it is sealed.
Hi Pam, I ended up coating it in two layers of Rustoleum spray sealant and it kept most of its color. It does lose some color with the sealant but not all of it.
As far as I know, many flame painters use oxy/propane because it burns cleaner, but acetylene is what I have available to me at the moment. You’d want to avoid soot buildup.
Hi sir, is it possible to get such preety patterns in more solid copper pieces? all i see are thin copper sheets being decorated in this flame techniques, i wanna know if its possible to do it in some copper flashlight bodies i have. I have access to an oxi-acetilene torch but not sure if it would work on more solid pieces
Sorry for the late reply-I’ve been using 18 gauge copper and that seems to get some good results. I haven’t tried oxy acetylene setups and wonder if the flame would be too hot in places for the copper to be heated gradually but it’s worth a try. A lot of people use thin copper because it’s faster and has less weight for wall hangings and earrings.
Are these color changes permanent or do they wear off over time? Do you need to throw a clear coat over the top to stop oxidation and color change? I'm asking because I think I might want to use this technique to make a watch dial for a watch I have.
The layer of oxidization will stay for a while if left untouched and not exposed to UV light but it’s more practical to seal it. The sealant will block some of the UV light that enhances blues though so the colors will change a bit with the clear coat on top-just be aware
Yes, copper goes through a spectrum as it reaches various degrees. So I aim to heat it to a point just before the color I’m looking for so the copper temp “arrives” at that color if that makes any sense.
@@akkad7514 that’s a very good question. I would imagine that it would heat differently depending on the metal type beneath the electroplating, or would damage any organic material beneath the copper. Doesn’t hurt to do some research though!
Thanks! And yes, it’s a fume extractor since I didn’t have a fan. It definitely helps to have something you can cool the copper with when it reaches the temp you are hoping for.
Hi! For this one, I just used an acetylene torch with a Smith torch tip #1 to do the initial oxidization, and then a smaller size #00 for the drawing and heat patina coloring.
Depends on what you mean by thicker copper? As long as you can bring the temperature up successfully you should technically be able to do it I think. This was 18 gauge copper and I’ve done bigger 16 gauge copper pieces using an acetylene torch too. There are other flame artists that use oxy/acetylene setups on much larger pieces of copper as well but I’m unsure of the thickness they may have been using. ua-cam.com/users/shortsvgLKuNepScY?feature=share
Hi Padre! Yes, it's important to use a spray seal or lacquer to preserve this moment in time of the oxidization before the heat patina is rubbed off or just fades from oxidization over time. It's important to note that a sealant will alter the colors due to light interference, but you can still retain a lot of the color and contrast.
That’s a really great question Beth! I don’t personally have experience working with Copper Powder so I couldn’t tell you. All copper will have a similar reaction to heat and oxidization though.
Brilliant my first go and well chuffed I’m 71 next month and learnt something new thank you take care
Gorgeous! Thanks for sharing.
Of course!
So smart, to drag the radial lines toward the point, rather than toward the edge.
Gorgeous!
Gorgeous
So beautiful
Very cool! Can you share where I can get the crushed firebrick and blow? I'm just a beginner and hobbyist but this looks so fun
Hi! The pumice pan and acetylene torch tip and hose are from Rio grande Jewelry Supply.
I love the colours of heated copper but I hate what sealants do to them, hence I either leave them unsealed and warn potential buyers(and advise them what they can use if they wish to seal and that it will kill some of the colour) , or keep heat treated pieces for myself.
Totally understand how frustrating it is for finished pieces to not contain the same amount of color as you intended…I’ve been sealing and informing customers of the before and after-that the sealant acts as a UV filter like glass-so their pieces may be a little less blue.
Are you saying that spray painting copper with a clear-coat or even using clear nail polish will removed, or at least fade, a colored patina on copper?
@@desertmoonshinejewelry2020 Maybe try sealing it with carnauba wax by lightly heating the piece up and applying the wax layer? I'm not sure if it will work here with copper, but i've seen this method used to seal damascus steel art pieces and etched blades so that the colour and contrast remain. Maybe worth a shot?
@@lourias any sealant seems to dull some of the blues a bit -it’s a widespread struggle for flame painters trying to find a way to preserve the brightness of their copper’s colors.
@@jacksonmcready3238 worth a try but I have a feeling heating it will alter the colors that have just been oxidized onto the piece or buffing the wax in any way may mess with the layer of oxidization. Someone also suggested nano ceramic plating so I’m researching that too. Thank you for your input!
Cool!
It certainly is a cool process, I love it!
Beautiful colours and design. I have not tried this type of jewellery making yet - what is that black circular thing you hover over your work - would it be something like a cooler?
It’s a fume extractor-I didn’t have a fan at the time so I was using the fume extractor to help cool my metal so the temperature would land on the color I hoped for.
So the hose on top is to haul out fumes or to cool it of quicker? If you don’t coat it with something will it lose its color?
I’m using the hose for both actually since I don’t have a little desk top fan yet. And you are correct, it will continue to oxidize unless it is sealed.
It reminded me of a butterfly wing - lovely. What do you coat it with to seal 🦆💕
Hi Pam, I ended up coating it in two layers of Rustoleum spray sealant and it kept most of its color. It does lose some color with the sealant but not all of it.
Though this was unusual!!!
Love pattern and colors! Do you have to specifically use acetylene torch or any torch will do?
As far as I know, many flame painters use oxy/propane because it burns cleaner, but acetylene is what I have available to me at the moment. You’d want to avoid soot buildup.
any torch will do, size of flame matters though for how small you want detail.
Mine keeps turning grey. What I’m I doing wrong. Got 2 different torches. I’m messing up all my cooper 😭
Hi sir, is it possible to get such preety patterns in more solid copper pieces? all i see are thin copper sheets being decorated in this flame techniques, i wanna know if its possible to do it in some copper flashlight bodies i have.
I have access to an oxi-acetilene torch but not sure if it would work on more solid pieces
Sorry for the late reply-I’ve been using 18 gauge copper and that seems to get some good results. I haven’t tried oxy acetylene setups and wonder if the flame would be too hot in places for the copper to be heated gradually but it’s worth a try. A lot of people use thin copper because it’s faster and has less weight for wall hangings and earrings.
Are these color changes permanent or do they wear off over time? Do you need to throw a clear coat over the top to stop oxidation and color change? I'm asking because I think I might want to use this technique to make a watch dial for a watch I have.
The layer of oxidization will stay for a while if left untouched and not exposed to UV light but it’s more practical to seal it. The sealant will block some of the UV light that enhances blues though so the colors will change a bit with the clear coat on top-just be aware
Holy cow! thats super cool, how do you pinpoint what the color's going to be? is it based off temp?
Yes, copper goes through a spectrum as it reaches various degrees. So I aim to heat it to a point just before the color I’m looking for so the copper temp “arrives” at that color if that makes any sense.
@@desertmoonshinejewelry2020 Interesting... im curious, is it possible for electroplated copper to be flame painted?
@@akkad7514 that’s a very good question. I would imagine that it would heat differently depending on the metal type beneath the electroplating, or would damage any organic material beneath the copper. Doesn’t hurt to do some research though!
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This video doesn’t have any narration, just a short visual demonstration of the process.
do you have any method on brass or would this apply the same on brass?
I’ve tried but brass has less copper content and just doesn’t get the same oxidization colors that 100% copper can get.
that is so cool! May i ask you how to keep the color after?
The metal needs to be either sprayed or dipped with a sealant in order to keep the colored oxidization intact.
that's so neat! Whats the black tube you'er holding on top of it? is it cooling the copper?
Thanks! And yes, it’s a fume extractor since I didn’t have a fan. It definitely helps to have something you can cool the copper with when it reaches the temp you are hoping for.
@@desertmoonshinejewelry2020 so it works as exhaust, ain't it? 😀
Tia! You make such awesome things!
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!! Do you seal the piece to keep it's color? IF so, what do you use?
Thank you, I do seal it afterward. I’ve used Rustoleum gloss and Colorloc but am going to try UV Resin next to see what works best.
Sweet, thanks so much. Seems to be the thing to do now. Good luck! I am going to try that myself!
@@keelygreen6455 Good luck to you too!
I use Pretotecta Clear
@@desertmoonshinejewelry2020 uv resin for sure
Beautiful color! What kind of torch is that?
Hi! For this one, I just used an acetylene torch with a Smith torch tip #1 to do the initial oxidization, and then a smaller size #00 for the drawing and heat patina coloring.
Hola,ésto es sobre cerámica? Y los gases del soplete que son? Gracias x la información
Hola. No es sobre cerámica, solamente cobre, y los gases son oxígeno y acetileno.
Will this work on thicker copper,?
Depends on what you mean by thicker copper? As long as you can bring the temperature up successfully you should technically be able to do it I think. This was 18 gauge copper and I’ve done bigger 16 gauge copper pieces using an acetylene torch too. There are other flame artists that use oxy/acetylene setups on much larger pieces of copper as well but I’m unsure of the thickness they may have been using. ua-cam.com/users/shortsvgLKuNepScY?feature=share
Can you coat it with something to protect?
Hi Padre! Yes, it's important to use a spray seal or lacquer to preserve this moment in time of the oxidization before the heat patina is rubbed off or just fades from oxidization over time. It's important to note that a sealant will alter the colors due to light interference, but you can still retain a lot of the color and contrast.
Does this work on copper powder too?
That’s a really great question Beth! I don’t personally have experience working with Copper Powder so I couldn’t tell you. All copper will have a similar reaction to heat and oxidization though.
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How’d it go?!