A wall of sound ! They sound like they are playing outside open ! Smooth . Love seeing all these Beautiful speakers ! Wonderful, keep up the wonderful work !
These were in my strong non humble opinion, the best sound at Munich 2023. So much so that I bought the system. I ruthlessly compared to Borrensons, Magico, Wilsons, Martens, Stenheims, Kharmas and just could not believe the transparency. I find it humorous that he makes a comment about the bass while there's ample base that's tight and clean when he says it. The speaker woofer has 20mm of excursion, 10x any other planar because the mylar sits between a dual layer of neodymium. When you multiply that across the surface area we are talking about serious serious bass that can easily fill an 800 square foot room
@@CarlVanDoren61 Jay imust have an axe to grind. Go read Robert Harley's coverage of this system at Munich which he awarded Best In Show. Stick with the professionals. I've heard these a/bd against Magico M6 and the Big Stenheims. They do not have the bass of a giant Wilson, but who cares. They held their own with the M6 and maybe they gave up a little bit but what you got in return across the entire frequency spectrum was way way worth it. I agree with Robert Harley these are about as good as it gets right now.
With regards to bass ribbon excursion being 10x greater than any other planar is incorrect;10x greater than a Magnepan but as far as Apogees are concerned these can manage + -4mm.
When I heard them in 2022 the bass was really impressive and I have 5 high end Subwoofers (3x12 and 2x18) these panels have significant bass panel area and reputed; u measure down to 18. I heard them with Jadis last year
@@Puroplatino I use 4 naim 135 monoblocks, I did experiment year ago with Krell's and many other gutsy power amps but the 135's just brought them to life, really dynamic and very real. My subs are 3 x Cremona's and 2 sealed Birch ply 18" using BMS drivers and all use external power amps controlled by a mini DSP 10x10 with a lot of mods (The signal goes in parallel to the Extremas so they dont go through the dsp) !
I do consider these among the finest speakers in the world , I heard them at RMAF ! The best mids and highs ! A few subwoofers could be added for more impact !
Kudos to Jay for calling it like you hear it. I agree with your assessment about this loudspeakers bass response. There is a misconception among planar devotees that planar bass is better. Yes and no. Yes, it is articulate and lacking in colorations associated with box loading. While this is very appealing to the listener, dynamic impact can be missing. Some planar fans are willing to forego the deep impact stuff and relish the speed and transparency that planars do best. But there are dipole planar speakers out there that can give you the best of both worlds by implementing cone woofers to cover the sub bass range, but special loading configurations and extreme attention must be paid to integration to get the best out of these systems. I will not go into product names and be accused of being a shill. Just suffice to say look around and you may find there are manufacturers out there that manage to pull this trick off, for a lot less money too.
Respectfully you seriously need to disable the Zoom mic amplification as the algorithms for comparison of one video's audio quality to another is ridiculously compromised as well as the individual video by itself. It is skewing results people hear.
Definately Rocport Lyra for the short ones ..(one of my dream speakers) one of the most advanced enclosure systems in the business.. Im guessing alsyvox speakers for the tall ones..🤩🤩
@@CarlVanDoren61 May need DSP I now own a pair of Alsyvox, they sound way better than this.. My room is around 30ft long and 20ft wide.. I use original Audionote amps from Japan.. Jaw dropping.. No speaker inc the Wilsons, Von's or even Martins get close to these!!!
@@Darkmatterme could be, but after listening to jays thoughts for so long, I don’t think this one impresses like he was expecting. I’m sure he will let us know once he finishes up the show.
@Moon BTC how can you say the DAC? What about the Taiko? Could have been lots of things but to pinpoint something like this is impossible. It’s just a bias, trust me. I wasn’t impressed either and I have 2 of the components playing here. In my opinion the speakers made it sound a bit thin, definitely not the DAC or Streamer. Just my 2¢
@Moon BTC I love Cayin. I have many of their products from the N8ii to the HA-300mkii so this is not at all a diss on Chi-Fi. Here’s the thing to understand with End Game products… if you use components of the same level as the Cayin and throw in the best DAC in the world, whichever you deem that to be, you will not notice as much. At the very top end the difference is with every component and cable and synergy etc but if you put a $50k DAC into a $30k system and A/B it with a $3k DAC in the same system you will rarely hear much difference. These end game pieces scale up with the rest of your equipment so if you were to do that same comparison in a highly resolving system like say Jay’s you would hear a tremendous difference. That being said the you may not like the difference but I assure you there would be a huge difference. All the best my friend. Cheers from Italy 🇮🇹
@@supercompooper Jay has a huge bias against Pilium. Simply because someone told him that the Pilium Hercules and Alexander perform better (not by much honestly) than the Boulder 3000 series. Imagine what it feels like to know that a $70k dollar amp outperformed the $250k Boulder 3050. It is a good kick to the ego of the rich guy who spends on the most expensive thing thinking it is the best. Hopefully one day Jay will objectively try Pilium, those amps have the best bass no matter what speaker is used.
Respectfully ( and I do mean that, sincerely ) ; Any run-of-the-mill commoner need only click to the assortment of other UA-cam Alsyvox demonstrations - in order to intuit that this, particular, room is [ sonically ] substandard. Judging this piece of gear ( given the immediate conditions ) - is akin to Mike Tyson kicking an, elderly, blind man in the teeth. ‘ No contest. 🍺
That rancid horrid shitty "music" [BARF!!] Would make me hate any gear its playing on😮 wrong speakers for that room, should have shown the Botticellis instead. Speakers are at the very top of my must buy list when i hit the lottery. . .electronics probably Pillum or Aries Cerat !!
Let's see dipole speakers in a room without adequate diffusion=poor textures, poor instrumental colors, poor imaging, loose upper bass, lack of transparency=mediocre sound.
Alsyvox are simply the best for me; it depends on what you are looking for.
I'd take these over big Wilsons any day.
Many thank Jay, your showing alot of us a world we would never see...or hear. Works of art man!!!
A wall of sound ! They sound like they are playing outside open ! Smooth . Love seeing all these Beautiful speakers ! Wonderful, keep up the wonderful work !
These were in my strong non humble opinion, the best sound at Munich 2023. So much so that I bought the system. I ruthlessly compared to Borrensons, Magico, Wilsons, Martens, Stenheims, Kharmas and just could not believe the transparency. I find it humorous that he makes a comment about the bass while there's ample base that's tight and clean when he says it. The speaker woofer has 20mm of excursion, 10x any other planar because the mylar sits between a dual layer of neodymium. When you multiply that across the surface area we are talking about serious serious bass that can easily fill an 800 square foot room
Awesome
@@CarlVanDoren61 Jay imust have an axe to grind. Go read Robert Harley's coverage of this system at Munich which he awarded Best In Show. Stick with the professionals. I've heard these a/bd against Magico M6 and the Big Stenheims. They do not have the bass of a giant Wilson, but who cares. They held their own with the M6 and maybe they gave up a little bit but what you got in return across the entire frequency spectrum was way way worth it. I agree with Robert Harley these are about as good as it gets right now.
With regards to bass ribbon excursion being 10x greater than any other planar is incorrect;10x greater than a Magnepan but as far as Apogees are concerned these can manage + -4mm.
Impressive sound, transparent with musicality and articulate Voices.
That’s just a wall of sound , awesome
Amazing panels...
Toe in creates more center focus Jay, its why you get that effect off axis vs having speakers firing speakers straight ahead
Stunning speakers, depressing music.
What? There's a whole flock of Pilium gear in the mix but they don't get a mention?
He's a Pilium hater. 😢
Another panel speaker Diptyque room sound?
When I heard them in 2022 the bass was really impressive and I have 5 high end Subwoofers (3x12 and 2x18) these panels have significant bass panel area and reputed; u measure down to 18. I heard them with Jadis last year
Oh and backing Sonus Faber Extremas which are not bass shy
@@adrianadrianp5305 I also have the Extrema’s with Subs. What are you using to power them?
@@Puroplatino I use 4 naim 135 monoblocks, I did experiment year ago with Krell's and many other gutsy power amps but the 135's just brought them to life, really dynamic and very real. My subs are 3 x Cremona's and 2 sealed Birch ply 18" using BMS drivers and all use external power amps controlled by a mini DSP 10x10 with a lot of mods (The signal goes in parallel to the Extremas so they dont go through the dsp) !
@@adrianadrianp5305 very nice. I don’t use DSP either. I have 4 JL Audio F-112v2 subs with a CR-1 Analog Crossover. Enjoy the music 🎻🎷🎺
@@Puroplatinoalso
JLA cr-1 active crossover
Pair Rel Carbon specials
Shunyata Python xlr's 2.5m
Nice clear sound
I do consider these among the finest speakers in the world , I heard them at RMAF ! The best mids and highs ! A few subwoofers could be added for more impact !
Question: the lack of bass impact. Is it the speakers or perhaps the amps? How would these speakers sound with your Boulders?
They do have good bass IMO
Bullshit xD. They had literally 0 bass there in person
@@aleksanderszeps2098 ya I heard that at this show. They have big bass tho. Must be room or amps of something? Weird!
Very nice music. What is the name of the second title?
magnifico.🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Kudos to Jay for calling it like you hear it. I agree with your assessment about this loudspeakers bass response. There is a misconception among planar devotees that planar bass is better. Yes and no. Yes, it is articulate and lacking in colorations associated with box loading. While this is very appealing to the listener, dynamic impact can be missing. Some planar fans are willing to forego the deep impact stuff and relish the speed and transparency that planars do best. But there are dipole planar speakers out there that can give you the best of both worlds by implementing cone woofers to cover the sub bass range, but special loading configurations and extreme attention must be paid to integration to get the best out of these systems. I will not go into product names and be accused of being a shill. Just suffice to say look around and you may find there are manufacturers out there that manage to pull this trick off, for a lot less money too.
Thank you
Quoting Mikey "play clean quality tracks"
I actually like the first track, first time hearing it. But yes, it needs deeper bass and for my taste... brighter treble.
Very nice sound from AlsyVox. Also Pilium amplifiers its very impressive.
Respectfully you seriously need to disable the Zoom mic amplification as the algorithms for comparison of one video's audio quality to another is ridiculously compromised as well as the individual video by itself. It is skewing results people hear.
For me , it's PERFECT
Definately Rocport Lyra for the short ones ..(one of my dream speakers) one of the most advanced enclosure systems in the business.. Im guessing alsyvox speakers for the tall ones..🤩🤩
awesome
jay take a listen to the diptyque speakers at the next show. great lower end for a panel speaker
Clarysis vs Alsyvox , Comments Jay ..!
Clarisys!
Leonard..
Alsyvox are my fav speaker... I think the room maybe the problem
Professionally treated room helps.
However, there is no bottom register
@@CarlVanDoren61 May need DSP I now own a pair of Alsyvox, they sound way better than this.. My room is around 30ft long and 20ft wide.. I use original Audionote amps from Japan.. Jaw dropping.. No speaker inc the Wilsons, Von's or even Martins get close to these!!!
Crowded room...
From the reaction I’d say Jay isn’t that impressed. I think he was expected more.
It could be that it takes some time to get your head around to what he is hearing
@@Darkmatterme could be, but after listening to jays thoughts for so long, I don’t think this one impresses like he was expecting. I’m sure he will let us know once he finishes up the show.
@Moon BTC how can you say the DAC? What about the Taiko? Could have been lots of things but to pinpoint something like this is impossible. It’s just a bias, trust me. I wasn’t impressed either and I have 2 of the components playing here. In my opinion the speakers made it sound a bit thin, definitely not the DAC or Streamer. Just my 2¢
@Moon BTC What DAC do you have that you compared the Horizon to?
@Moon BTC I love Cayin. I have many of their products from the N8ii to the HA-300mkii so this is not at all a diss on Chi-Fi. Here’s the thing to understand with End Game products… if you use components of the same level as the Cayin and throw in the best DAC in the world, whichever you deem that to be, you will not notice as much. At the very top end the difference is with every component and cable and synergy etc but if you put a $50k DAC into a $30k system and A/B it with a $3k DAC in the same system you will rarely hear much difference. These end game pieces scale up with the rest of your equipment so if you were to do that same comparison in a highly resolving system like say Jay’s you would hear a tremendous difference. That being said the you may not like the difference but I assure you there would be a huge difference. All the best my friend. Cheers from Italy 🇮🇹
What do the speakers cost? $350k a pair?
280k
Good tone, but dynamics seems a bit limited.
In this demo yes. In my other experience it's very dynamic. Xmax is like 5mm on the panel. Maybe the amps.
Dynamics are lacking on the track, not the speaker.
@@supercompooperthe amps? 😂 The Pilium monsters?
@@zencoatlrios2648 I guess not the amps then! Maybe the wall acoustics are made of Flubber?
@@supercompooper Jay has a huge bias against Pilium. Simply because someone told him that the Pilium Hercules and Alexander perform better (not by much honestly) than the Boulder 3000 series. Imagine what it feels like to know that a $70k dollar amp outperformed the $250k Boulder 3050. It is a good kick to the ego of the rich guy who spends on the most expensive thing thinking it is the best. Hopefully one day Jay will objectively try Pilium, those amps have the best bass no matter what speaker is used.
The top MBL stacked with twin sub towers make these seem like anemic Magnepans...
Ok
Absolutely true. However mbl portray voices more thin IMO
Wow small speakers 😂 need a barn to fit them in
Sounds rather thin
The live version of New Years Eve on the waterfront from the stimulator’s is way better than the version played here.
Maybe the lampizator is simply “too nice”
Maybe?
Only speakers at Munich 2023 better than these are the new $120K IO Design Naked RS Loudspeakers ! 😇🤫
alsy vox the best sound
Ok
That's why the absolute best of the best speakers are never planars or ribbons or electrostats at ANY PRICE.
could sound better with some room treatment
Seeing a lot of copper accenting on 2023 equipment, new trend!?
Needs a bigger room Jay.
Respectfully ( and I do mean that, sincerely ) ;
Any run-of-the-mill commoner need only click to the assortment of other UA-cam Alsyvox demonstrations - in order to intuit that this, particular, room is [ sonically ] substandard.
Judging this piece of gear ( given the immediate conditions ) - is akin to Mike Tyson kicking an, elderly, blind man in the teeth.
‘ No contest. 🍺
LOL I told you the worlds best party speakers but not for you
Superior to many closed boxes
Big sound. Not the biggest. Them Van something or other is bigger.
This speaker is Uber expensive and has no bass. Hard sounding too. I listened twice to this room. Hard pass.
They have huge amounts of impressive bass.
That rancid horrid shitty "music" [BARF!!] Would make me hate any gear its playing on😮 wrong speakers for that room, should have shown the Botticellis instead. Speakers are at the very top of my must buy list when i hit the lottery. . .electronics probably Pillum or Aries Cerat !!
Let's see dipole speakers in a room without adequate diffusion=poor textures, poor instrumental colors, poor imaging, loose upper bass, lack of transparency=mediocre sound.
Dipoles don't need diffusion.
It’s being reported that the sound quality of the majority of the rooms is dismal.
Which is historically the reports from this show. The glass cubicles are for showcasing, not listening.
hard to have good sound when one wall is glass and all others behave like cardboard