16 ENGINES Multi-Cluster ROCKET With Onboard Camera
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2015
- I would say this rocket was 90% successful, the last cluster did not ignite correctly (that is why it spiraled). It is a 4x4 multi-cluster rocket. x8 D12-0's and x8 C6-0's!!!
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this video shows perfectly what happens when staging goes wrong.
The best is when you get about a 100 degree turn down from vertical between stages and it begins heading towards the nearby school.
jjthefed I got a rocket stuck on a school, this was back in 2015 when I was in elementary school. Me and my dad went to the play ground in the back of the school. And normally it would be ok but this time the wind took it and brought it to the roof. So the next day I go up to the office and ask the janitors to go up there (there is a ladder that goes up there, it’s inside) and grab the rocket, they got it for me and at the end of the day I walked out of the school with the rocket in my hand. I got lots of questions about it so I just told them it’s my ballistic missile.
@@jjthefed Even better when you have RC guidance, and they don't wait for the thrust to end before jumping on the controls! Then it's a tube launched, two stage, H engined, spinny whirly bomb from hell! Once we got that working, we built a laser guided missile, that could hit within 4 feet of the aimpoint at 500 yards. Not too shabby for a couple of 16 yo kids! Those were the fun days!
this video shows why 16 small engines should not replace one larger one.
@@2fathomsdeeper sorry if I sound skeptical but that sounds pretty impressive if true, and like you point out, even more so at the age of 16. Does footage of any of your launches exist? If so you should post it. Sounds interesting. I'm most curious exactly how you implemented the laser guiding system but would like to see what you mean by launch tube as well. You threw a lot of info in there that deserves better explaining haha.
this is whats ganna happen if ants try to go to space
lol
You are Hilarious! Be Blessed as you follow The Holy Spirit! I hope to hear from you. David
The thing I love about science is that failure is always an option. This was risky but went surprisingly well. 😀
I did something like that it was all going fine but then there was a delay between the 2nd and 3rd motors so it started falling nose first then the 3rd motor ignited and it shot threw my shed
Insane
lmaoo
Haha that is hilarious, I can just imagine the sheer excitement and then terror 😂
I have a friend, back 30 years or so ago, he would fill up short rockets with fireworks guts, and use a first stage D. They were pretty awesome until one he made a little TOO heavy. Made it halfway up the guide wire and just hung there. Never did find the pieces of the launch tower. Pretty sure the public works guys were plenty pissed at the huge dead ring of grass too.
YOU MUST NOT BE "CERTIFIED"!
I made a rocket similar to yours with three engines stacked, not clustered. Because of t he weight at the rear, I had these really big fins attached to the engine sections. Anyhow, when we lit it off, the thing was so heavy that the first stage slowly raised it to about fifty feet and then it seemed to slow a little and then the next stage cut in. The difference between the first stage and the second stage was dramatic as the rocket lost about a forth of its weight and it was already moving when that second stage cut it and drove it almost out of sight. At a distance we could see the third stage cut in and it went out of sight for awhile. One thing will stick in my mind was that rocket lighting off that second stage from almost a standstill at about 50 feet off the ground.
Cool, thanks for sharing, you built an impressive rocket :)
I bet that was something to see
Sounds pretty neat actually. ..
work's better than I thought it would. keep up the good work.
That's what I imagine a home made Taliban missile looks like.
looks like little JD had fun at arts and crafts today
Thanks for explaining why it's so cool!
Well...I think it was AWESOME!
Thanks for posting this, it is a great video! Explaining things afterwards is very
important, and appreciated! Safety FIRST...then...HAVE FUN!
THANKS!
Looks like you had an O-ring failure.
Except that there are no O-rings in Estes single-use model rocket engines. You've gotta get up into the larger re-loadable motor designs before you start encountering O-rings.
y'see, there was a joke in that, you just have to poke around for it.
I picked up on that right away. Good one!
SuperPersianLord - The smoke pattern was eerily similar to the Challenger shuttle. I was thinking the same thing!
That was the first thing I thought of was the challenger launch, lol
I did not expect that to work. Awesome!
Hey there, I hope that was fun to watch! I appreciate the feedback over the years and I will try to build a better rocket that is more reliable/safe than this crazy thing heh
+JD Rock it was awesome!!!
+JD Rock I wouldn't say this is the first.. all kinds of crazy stuff like this has been done over the years. But it is cool and fun. I built a number of glued together cluster boosters on a series of rail rockets in the early '90's, the largest successful one 11 stages with 4 D12-0 as first stage.
gertnood cool
+gertnood Good old D12-0, they are the best multistage engine to use in my opinion. You should build another one!
cool thanks bro!!!!
Awesome! All I kept thinking is I'm glad I don't have to go find it haha.
Much better than I expected. Great job getting the clusters to work that well :-)
Seems like KSP in real life: "Moar Booster!"
Wow, homeboy glued the "wings" directly to the engines and did it with kindergarten glue. Smh...
Clearly no intention to recover or reuse the lower stages...and did that many engines exceed the Safety Code?
Hey sport, why don’t you post a video of how he should have done it. Smh...
@@johnmarksmith1120 for starters, clustering upper stages is not recommended, or wise..😞
Some of those “wings” are straight too.
Wow, I honestly didn't think that would work. Awesome!
I know from experience that precision in making a rocket is paramount. Cutting, fastening, and aligning everything as best as possible does make a difference. Included in that is the slightly lopsided nose cone, which at the speed the rocket is traveling, will direct airflow over the entire rocket asymmetrically. This creates air eddie currents that will change the effect of the fins have at the bottom, causing the rocket to sway, spin, and waste a lot of the engines energies. Also, the weight of your rocket body is significantly changing your altitude. Using a thin-walled PVC tube of the same diameter would give you hundreds of feet of higher altitude, without compromising strength. After all, with all that work wouldn't you want to go as high as possible?
First mistake was to make the fins all the same size.On any staged rocket the booster stage fins have to be bigger than the upper stage to provide the proper balance.The second was to not use lower powered motors in the upper stages, the largest motor should always be used in the booster stage.Those are the basic design elements of multi staging.Thirty plus years of experience has taught me that.
so how exactly do you get "certified" to build these jury rigged rockets?
Obvious that he meant to get certified rather then building rigged rockets...
I doubt that he is certified. One look at the rocket told me that. To begin with, the fin sizes are problematic. And staging clusters is not for the faint of heart, as his rocket showed. There should be a positive ignition for all engines of a stage simultaneously at the proper time.
Gerry-rigged. Slang for German. WW2 reference.
I agree. One look at the build, and I seriously doubt he has NAR Level 1 certification covering multi-motor rocket models like this one. I don't think this would have passed the requisite safety inspection. Also the certification team is required to observe the flight and render post-flight inspection. However, I think the model would need to use at least one H+ motor, as part of, or in addition to the cluster to be considered certifiable for Level 1. As such this model rides the line as experimental, and not a good design at that.
If you're going to correct somebody, at least get it right.
He was correct - the phrase is "jury rigged"; not "jerry rigged" or "gerry rigged"... whoever taught you (and all of the other people) the name was wrong.
I Agree it is cool. I thought those engines would have went higher but it's ok. Would like to see 16 of them in as one long engine. Good job, nice experiment.
how did you go about solving the simultaneous ignition problem using four engines at a time like that?
cross your fingers, of course.
four stages, never saw that before. interesting. seemed very stable until the staging went awry, nice job.
hell ya keep up the good work that was super cool
Wafer glass fins and black shaft tubing?
bro just brill well done
I was a "certified" 10 year old building modified rockets. LOL
How does one get a certification to build and fly a solid fuel rocket ?
Many people ask why.
I ask why not.
Then there’s the people who ask why not, film it and put it on UA-cam.
Good video 👍🏻
@Tech Planet very cool rocket it is too bad some motors didn't ignite or it would've been even better. How high did it go? The locators should tell you.
First thing I noticed was the crooked nose cone. Then I clicked off(:
You clicked away from the possibility of seeing a rocket failure? Do you also fast forward through the titty scenes in slasher movies?
@@FireheadLazzo *sweeting*- possibly i do:|
@@FireheadLazzo he clicked away cause this guy is clearly an amateur
very nice fly, ..., how much feet of elevation ?...
What material was your cone made out of? @JDRock I am making a rocket very similiar to yours in the video, just struggling to make/find a solution for my nose cone
All my cones are made out of plastic and pre-made. I buy them from a local hobby store.
Make sure to use black powder in-between motors
Black powder? Does that help ensure the ejection charge happens correctly?
JD Rock Yes it helps.It will burn at at a good speed and temp to help with a slight booster push up and ignite the next stage engines.There's some math involved that I let my math geek of a cousin have fun with.As long as I buy the beer.
Cool, I will have to try that!
How high did it go? How high did you expect it to go?
You are so amazing!
Cool. I saw the curvature of the earth! (haha)
using a blast deflector is good so you don't leave burn marks on the land.
-1 for a sketchy build, but thanks for sharing
What was that beacon locator you used? I tried Tiles and they are terrible.
"Dont do this unless you are certified" LOL I think you are certified in "Glue gun"
& proud of it!
Estes Rocket engines used to call this "basement bombing". Too bad. It's so much fun......
How did you connect the rocket motor ignites together, so that you could insure that they all ignited at the same time?
It was quite awhile ago but I believe they are in parallel. I use 4 cell battery and higher.
I don't need to be _'certified'_ to launch a rocket THAT small!
CRAZY!
Much Kerbal, much staging, such awesome
That was impressive.
I always wanted to do this. Very cool.
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that is so coooool small videocamera on the model rocket and launch fly away...
what is name of videocamera
GREAT design!! I would like to give you a few pointers, NOT critiques. Rocket design takes many forms and sizes. and if PERFECTLY built may still do poorly. But the sport DOES have a few necessary points that need critical attention. 1) a rocket of that size and power can be said to be "nearly" supersonic. THAT changes the airflow greatly. I would do away with the pointy nose cone or modify it with a small teardrop shaped bead. mounted on the point with ITS pointy end out. No more than 1/3rd the diameter of the main body tube. Air at those speeds is more like thin oil or water. It's a "breaker" It causes the thick fast air to jump out and flow neatly down the sides of the "body" of the craft. 2) Pay WAY more attention to you wings. Sweep them like an F-86 Saberjet. Sharpen the leading edges being careful to keep the edges EXACTLY in the center of the edge. Slightly round the trailing edge to reduce "let-off" turbulence. They MUST be exactly in line with each other. And all the exact same size/thickness. 3) shorten your tube some. use a larger tube size with a clear section to mount camera in. The odd shape of the camera pack taped on is causing uneven airflow over your wings. 4) Lastly but somewhat importantly, make sure that after the craft is after final stage separation that the tail is STILL just a tad heavier than the nose. Should see great improvement and a lot more fun!
Thanks, really good tips!
what was apogee?
Well done! Wild 😜
I wonder what height you get with that ?
i builded something like that... exept one motor didnt ignite at start and it went horribly wrong... :|
Cool, yeah its very challenging to build these kind of rockets and very dangerous heh.
See flat earthers, even from a small model rocket you could see that the earth is round
Very cool ! Thanks
UA-cam recommended a non trash video? WHAT? But yeah... Cool video dude!
Where to buy the engine of rocket
If you add small forward fins near the nose cone to stabilize when separation occurs.
Where can I find a beacon locator like the one in the video?
Hi, this is the tracking locator www.loc8tor.com/everyday/
WOW you got up a full 100 feet.
nose cone looks a bit crooked, that explains the gyrations...sooner or later those engines might go flying off. Good ignition system I'll give you that.
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This is Kerbal Space Program type rocket building...
Why do this? Why not move up into an E or F engine?
Delta wings are not triangle?
Where did you get the cameras?
Could you take the motors apart take out the propellent and make a much bigger rocket motor?
It flew well. I tried a 3-3-3 as a kid.Similar issue with last stage.
Nice work! How did you made sure that the engines can detach from the structure after they are burned out?
+LARS VD The last stage does not separate, they just push the plastic part up so the parachute comes out. It took a couple of years to figure out heh
+JD Rock Okay but how does a burned out/used stage seperate from the rest? Is it simply loosely mounted and blown off by the thrust of the new stage?
+LARS VD That is correct, there is a special technique to glue it. You have to use school glue and only put 4 points on each engine. Do not use super glue, it won't separate.
@@larsvd5354 The Estes tech report recommended a single wrap of cellophane tape, firmly rolled in place.
AWESOME
Are you certified? They look pretty dodgy to me for a certified rocket builder! Fun to watch though!
DeansVideoClips
He's certified by himself and said "don't do this unless your certified" so he wouldn't get on the NSA watch list
I guess theres a difference between making it work and making it pretty lol. What I want to know is what altitude is it hitting?
Model rocket certifications a fucking joke
Also make sure you just get industrial colle glue. It works better and there's no ugly mess at the bottom of them.
Would have performed better if you would have used masking tape to attach each stack and then glued them in place. Not all of the motors fired due to that and would have also flown much more stable. Also. Use just a short section of the dowel at the base to adapt to cardboard tube for the rest of the length to cut the weight down significantly 😉
I made a wireless igniter with a 5 dollar chins transmitter and receiver with a 18 v cordless battery for the igniters. You can use it up to 400 ft if ya want. Never had a miss fire with it.
What happened to... 3.... 2... 1... Launch?
Damn, Kerbal looks realistic now
Ok so yes in fact I am velosity projection engineer, "ROCKET SCIENTIST" and a suggestion you use blue light or "uv" superglue or light activated epoxy, far far superior to your bonding agents..Elmer's glue, theres high quality light activated bonding glue is actually very affordable and can even stop through wallmart and pick up these products
Okay now we’re getting seriously kerbal
The trick with a design like this is that all the engines will experience burn thru at the same time. So you may have only two or three next stage engines ignite before the stages separate.
And if you have several stages, there's a better than not chance you'll only be lighting a couple of them. If the 2nd stage engine never ignited, it has no chance to ignite the 3rd stage engine above it.
Would be curious to see your stages after the flight to see what level of success you had igniting the engines up the stack.
I've launched multi engine rockets (biggest was six engines). And have launched multi-stage rockets (max of three due to range limits). But have never tried to combine the two. Interesting!!
Why not balsa or bass wood fins? if the thing goes ballistic at least there will be less damage. everything should be equal shape and weight and glued straight -make a jig ... just saying (former rocketeer)
that was VERY clever.
Where was the onboard camera?
Nicolas Schaffer Look at the mid section of the spear, you can see the taped up center.
It's hard enough to ensure one airborne engine ignites and stages properly. To attempt to parallel and stage each 3 engine cluster in the manner shown resulted in the predictable waste of engines seen when at least one of the second stage engines failed to ignite and the third stage fired so asymmetrically that it failed to separate and whatever fire chain that did make it to the fourth stage poured all it's thrust into the shells of the burned out lower stage engines still attached , but the instability caused by the second stage uneven weight distribution had already spoiled the desired vertical acceleration into a sideways pointing trajectory. It makes more sense to cluster your first stage and use a single second stage engine with numerous redundancies built in to ensure ignition and prompt separation of the first stage.
Ever think about building a jig to get the fins on straight
You didn't launch a rocket. You launched a stick.
on the first two stages you should have angled defense 45 degrees to make the locket start spinning to give it more stability so it can fly more straight and go higher
at the 1:25 mark you could caption that photo... "i can see my house frome here!"
you have an interesting approch to rocketry, and as a long time rocketeer, i must say you need to work on your recovery deployment.
otherwise a really wild ride of a video!
Excellent
Can we see that certification
Kafu mi draga ispeci Sarajevo I guess I made my rockets illegally as a kid
Kafu mi draga ispeci Sarajevo ATF might be Very interested. I believe in Smaller Government.
I don't believe in any government
Ivan Orange Co. South California 1 day without government and you’ll change your mind
Ha! Can't wait, my cat is ~9000kal after being processed and cooked. See ya in the empty city centers.
With the worg apogee, the accent is on "ap", NOT "po".
Yielded the classic STS Challenger explosion with twin horns smoke trail.. well done, I guess. Btw the nosecone was visibly crooked, pre-launch.
How d u make one? Teach me Senpai...
YOUR ROCKET LOOKS LIKE HELL...
I was working on a similer projec, and I got all 7 engines to ignite! Before... One... Exploded.... whoops
lol,bro you would get the same result with 2 C-5 engines which would save you a couple bucks,but good try,
An Estes commanche III with a D and 2 C’s is a lot better than his “zillion” motor, kiddie glued contraption.
Awesome
What camera?
I believe it was the 808 Keychain #16 Camera.
Would putting all the engines inside a metal tube help...??? meaning 4 engines in each tube
There would be more weight, unless it's really lightweight. It's still a good idea though because ejection charges would equalize.
I was thinking like an aluminum tube...with a capped off end..it would probley weigh like 8 oz, maybe less..might be able to use the tubes from a wind chime...
4x4 engine= awesomeness
I just mod premade rockets, sometimes I have a rocket that has 10 engines filled with the standard stuff but with a nitroglacien mix on the final stage for a good ending and if it points down on like the 7th stage then I use a tiny capsule of acid that is harmless to humans but super bad for the rocket and that makes it like fizzle out and the nitro won't ignite. Btw I keep a fire extinguisher just in case
Nice!