Is Lilith in Episode 8 an Imposter in Hazbin Hotel?
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- Did you notice this in Hazbin Hotel?
During episode 8 at the very end we saw a glimpse of lilith at a beach somewhere, perhaps in heaven with lute asking for help.
There’s an interesting theory that this isn’t the real lilith, but an imposter. I’ll break it down.
So in every portrait of lilith we see that she has a white bead necklace around her neck.
However in episode 5 during the flashback where her face is obscured, she isn’t wearing the necklace.
In lilith’s trading card she isn’t wearing the necklace. And in episode 8 she’s wearing a different necklace.
So if we put two and two together, it’s likely that the lilith we see is an imposter, perhaps eve. And the way we can tell who’s who is if they’re wearing the white bead necklace.
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@@ayylmaotv it’s probably a redesign or maybe she just changes jewel
@@redboyepic8901it’s can’t be a redesign because these photos are in the show in Luci’s room also it’s weird how in every photo she wears the beads but not when we actually see her but hey that’s just a theory
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Orrrr maybe Lucifer gave Lilith that necklace and as their relationship got worse and worse she stopped wearing it, and maybe the necklace she wears in the finale was just a random necklace she has??
This sounds more believable
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Yeah
I was gonna say, the theory that this isn't Lewis would be interesting, if there was any evidence to support it. Simply saying that this isn't low because she decided for a new necklace doesn't seem plausible
It must have something to do with Liliths eyes. Every time we see her we can’t see her eyes. That must be the key to pretty much everything. In some portraits she has red eyes some she has purple and in her iconic portrait she has whiteish eyes
Could be. Maybe Lillith and Eve look the same like twins. Lucifer did mention that he took both of Adam's wives away from him during their fight. Perhaps Charlie is actually Eve's daughter and not Lillith's. Maybe that's why she left Lucifer. She could stand raising a child that wasn't hers anymore.
@@elgigante2001daaaaaaaamnnnnnn 🤯🤯 that’s the best theory I’ve heard about this show, been watching viziepop for almost 10 years and she’s def add drama like that in
@@elgigante2001did lucifer give birth to charlie? 😭
Im sorry if that sounded mean but did that just?? Im confused
@@elgigante2001I'm pretty sure Lucifer says he only takes Lilith "adam's first wife"??
@serenacastro7204 I rewatched the scene. Adam insults Lucifer by saying he is the most hated being in all of creation. Then Lucifer says his first wife didn't hate what he was offering, nor his second. The proceeds to go bow chica bow bow and hump the air.
Lilith: *takes off necklace*
Fandom: IMPOSTER!!
Fr 😂
For reals
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literally what I'm thinking
“White bead necklace”
Sir that’s called pearls.
I read that as bread
Lucifer could have given her the necklace and when she left she stopped wearing it
And with the scene she was in during ep. 5 they blurred out most of her distinctive features, so they could have taken away the necklace too
Edit: 11K IN THE UNHOLY NAME OF LUCIFER 😂
she also doesn’t have her horns
@@donni1863 none of the portraits show Lilith with horns, like Charlie, they might only come out when she's angry or she might not have them at all (unlikely, but it's most likely that she only has them when she's in a more demonic form)
Sorry accidentally made a new comment when I meant to edit this one, she has horns in only one portrait
@Absolutely_not_an_alien actually lilth has the ability to change her horns. She can hide them away and change their size or shape.
@@Charawashere ah- well, then that still proves my point that she isn't an imposter just because she didn't have horns- if she can control them, then having horns and not having horns can't prove anything about if it's Lilith or someone else
Please listen to me I have a Siri maybe Lucifer give the give her the necklace but since they broke apart she probably stop wearing it or that time where she was holding Charlie she probably didn't have it because she was mad at Lucifer that's my theory 😱😡😨
*Charlie:* having her hotel being raided by angels
*Lilith:* Chilling on a beach
Still upset about that that lucifer and lilth Split and that she child while her daughter is in danger lucifer can handle himself
Dude wtf does this say@jasminkrieger8464
@@jasminkrieger8464and uh did she betray them to become greater than them? Idk it seems odd cause she took her away from Lucifer and ended up being greater than both of them
@@chucanhoang7882 hmm we will see season 2
@@chucanhoang7882 lilith was a complicate being not only in hazbin in diablo ,supernatural ,lucifer series,sabrina teenage witch netflix she was complicated lilith i mean
I think they’re going to have a crazy reveal and here’s how I think it’ll go:
“Lilith” comes back and reunites with Charlie, she’s ecstatic but vaggie and friends feel something’s off
This goes on for a little bit until hopefully Alastor(because he’s amazing) exposes her as someone else (I think it’s Eve)
Then Charlie has a flashback and it goes from happy moments with her real mom and then that blurred out face is shown as the impostor.
SUMMARY: impostor comes back and tricks group, someone exposes them and Charlies upset which makes them fight song style
lilithg and eve are the same person. but eve is more commonly used
@@Lollipophxfdscwhat?
@@Big_Boss663 theres a bunch of takes on it according to religion but in some cases lilith is represented as the inner demon of eve that was awakened when she ate the apple that granted her free wil. other times it is just another name for eve. In hazbin hotel, however to the hazbin hotel wiki page lilith is the inner demon of eve. but it hasnt appeared in the show so im not sure if its cannon or not
@@Lollipophxfdsc the show isn't a 1:1 representation of the original bible stories 😅
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pov: you can’t be recognized because you forgot to wear your necklace
That's like saying, "This lady divorced her husband, and she stopped wearing her wedding ring. But in every picture prior to the divorce, she had it on. This must mean she is a CLONE"💀
Not really? Lucifer still wears his wedding ring so they had that already.
Vivzie said a couple times before that she likes to design the characters with things in their necks because she’s fond of chokers or other neck accessories, so you can trust this is not a simple design choice, it definitely has a meaning, whether means she’s not the real Lilith or just that she moved on to another phase in her life.
This would be the equivalent of changing Alastor’s microphone to a sword or Angel’s pink clothes for blue, for example, you know that this is a design choice that represents the character somehow.
Problem is she's wearing her ring in every photo she's in, smiling and Lucifer still wears the ring yet in the photo of "Lilith" not only is she not wearing the ring, she's also got her face obscured and has a smile just like Eve along with the same hairstyle as Eve was depicted having. It's literally just paying attention to ques left behind.
yeah this was a really bad theory. its like saying in the final fight, the characters werent actually the og characters cause they had different outfits.
@@vSickx different outfit ≠ different design pattern. Lilith wears pearls in EVERY. Single. Picture she is in, even using different outfits in each picture, and for some reason she does not whenever her face is removed.
It’s not a bad theory at all. They got different outfits in the finale for the fight however you didn’t see Charlie wearing blue or Angel wearing black.
@@asafin100dude it is kinda a goofy theory. She could have gotten it from Lucifer and stopped wearing it when things got sour. It’s not that hard to comprehend. But what’s hard to get behind is the clone theory.
The animator nervously watching this as they forgot to draw the necklace 😭
Continuity is for nerds lol
You gonna make the lore whores angry with this one, I am a lore whore but although I can kinda see this happening (think of the MLP clips where things weren't drawn properly or were forgotten) but I think the hair is more important to focus on. But the necklace? That could 100% be them forgetting and when they remembered they drew the wrong one
@@tristasayers1516 real
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I would’ve thought that it was eve because why would an angel ask 𝐋𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐡, the 𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐥 for help.
I think the necklace was more like a ring, a symbol of Lilith and Lucifer’s love. As their relationship deteriorated, she stopped wearing the necklace to show she lost her love for him. Maybe the black necklace signals love for another?
EVEN BETTER FUN FACT: did you know we saw that Charlie has hooves near the start of episode 7 and due to us seeing that Lilith has normal feet that means Charlie got her hooves from LUCIFER HE MUST ALSO HAVE HOOVES
I think it's more to do with the eyes.
We have yet to see "Lilith's" eyes except in portraits, even in the flashback she had a blank face and on the beach she's wearing sunglasses.
Hazbin Hotel has a HUGE Eye motif, if you pay attention there are a LOT of eyes in the background especially during "Loser Baby" and Alastor's solo in "Finale". It's interesting that the eyes are hidden of one of the most anticipated characters
I think that all the eyes are roo
“…but an imposter. I’ll break it down.”
(*proceeds to breakdance*)
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hazbin hotel fans upon learning people can take off necklaces
This is one of the biggest stretches for content I’ve seen in a bit
It's still bizarre that in Charlie's flashback with Lilith as well as her rare card she's oddly devoid of detail and doesn't look anything like the literal pictures of Lilith we have. Either the Lilith in Charlie's memories and the card wasn't Lilith or whoever is supposed to be Lilith isn't Lilith. I don't understand why they obscured her features in that episode and card. It's not like we didn't have an idea of what she looked like. Plus I just have no idea why on earth Lilith would choose to abandon hell for 7 years when every piece of information we have implies she embraced and thrived in hell....just weird.
even though we already know what lillith looks like, people think her facial features are gone because it’s supposed to resemble charlie forgetting what she looks like since she hasnt seen lillith in 7 years. sometimes removing facial features is used to show that the character is being forgotten. i dont know if vivzie ever confirmed that but i think its a cool theory.
They blurred her feature in the card to be cool, but in the show it makes sense. It's not because they want to "hide" what she looks like, it's because it was CHARLIES flashback. That's how she views her mother, she didn't really know her. She said vague yet eerie memory.
@7ALEKS_ but if you take a look at the foyer of the hotel in episodes early on, there is a family portrait of Lillith, Lucifer and Charlie at the top of the stairs. In the episode where we meet Lucifer for the first time, as Vaggie is coming down the stairs you can see the bottom of the portrait.
@@crybxbyy_that’s actually a really smart theory! Makes sense honestly
@@crybxbyy_ but we literally see family portraits of Lilith so I find that hard to believe Charlie has forgotten her mom after 7 years especially since she's been trying to make contact with her since. If anything Charlie literally says she didn't know Lucifer so the whole obscuring Lilith still makes no sense...
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I noticed that in each portrait of the family, Lilith’s smile becomes smaller and she is more and more distant from Lucifer and Charlie
Subtle detail but I love it
I love how you call a Pearlnecklace a white bead necklace
Also, it might be just me, but do you guys also see the difference of her hair? I mean, on the portraits she has a lighter hair color, and in the flashback and on the card her hair color is a little darker(browner? lol). Also, there is a little difference in their hair forms: in the portraits, lilith has her hair combed back, however in Charlie's flashback she has her hair parted.
this comment is underrated her parted hair also kinda looks like eve's silhouette
I also thought their was something up with the hairstyle too
Damn your right
Or it can be the light and the fact she has a hat on her head
it's eve (?)
Two theories i have regarding this:
1. Lillith and Eve look incredibly similar (being the first women). So this could be Eve and Lute is telling her to go pretend to be Lilith. (The way Lute say the name is weird)
2. (First part still applies) Eve and Lilith switched places. So this is actually Lilith but other angels in heaven think it is Eve.
Hi AliceLoverCookies,
Yeah I agree with your 1 theorie, I also thought it was suspect the way Lute was talking with “Lilith” , especially when saying her name, it like she was implying to that character TO BE Lilith like when a direct say to a actor TO BE their character on the movie or serie.
I think Lute saying Lilith’s name was her seething, not only did she watch the friend she cared about die, but to her Charlie caused disorder in heaven. By the looks of it she really hates demons. I don’t think they switched places because if they were why wasn’t Eve in contact with either Lucifer or Charlie to keep up appearances. Also in their fight Adam doesn’t react when Lucifer mentions Lilith, as he probably knows where she is, but reacts when he mentions Eve. Meaning that Adam hasn’t seen her but that is a sore subject for him.
Hmmm yeah it’s not you normally say ppls names at them like that
Or it could actually be Lilith and she pretending to be Eve that tone of voice could also mean "I know who you really are remember that" she probably been pretending to be Eve and she said her name to remind her of her deal she had with made "if you want to stay here" meaning it is the real lilith and she been pretending to be Eve
The necklace is nothing just look at the hair styles
Pay attention to Lilith hair in the pictures with Lucifer
Then look at the hair in the scene where she taking Charlie away notice the difference?
Go back to the flashback of Lucifer giving Eve the apple look closely to her hair then go back to the scene and you will see they are exact
Also Lilith card looks more like Eve in the flashback cause all we get is her smile we already know what Lilith looked like
So how come they hid her face in that scene where she taking Charlie? They never once hit her face at all in the show
But who do they do hide? Eve they never show her face not once or at least a clear look other then her smile
So it is possible they swapped places and that is the real lilith because that tone means she not who she saids she is she made it clear if she wants to stay there proving she doesn't belong
They probably got a devorice because she not the real lilith she went from being happy with him to hating him? What if something happened to Lilith and Eve been pretending the whole time? Or what if they both swapped places or what if something happened to Eve?
But the difference in the hairs and the way they hid her face makes me believe they swapped places and something probably happened to Eve in hell given we never see her
It is possible Lilith did something to Eve so she can take her place in Heaven since they looked alike Adam found out the difference and was going to do something but they had a deal that she can continue pretending to be Eve if he can exterminate the sinners in hell
But I really think the woman in the scene who take Charlie away is Eve because she looks a lot like Eve then Lilith it could be the reason why she kept trying to take them apart and why Eve seems so supportive of Charlie's plan of redeeming sinners I don't see Lilith being that way it is possible Eve has something to do with her wanting to redeem sinners and all
Like I said it's mostly the hair difference that gets me believe that they had swap places
I like your theory, because first, when lute say that, "Lilith" look upset
Maybe Eva is angry about the apple and take the place of Lucifer's love tho make the divorce happend, pull apart charlie from her dad and them leave, so they being sad couldn't concentrate in getting power to defeat the angels exterminators
"This man is not who we research, on the picture he have a blue shirt, this man have a red shirt"
I like the fact that if a character removes a certain iconic accessory or have slight differences in their appearance from them fans will always find a way to theorize that it is an imposter 😂
Maybe she is Eve? Idk because we didn't even see her in the series
I mean it’s confirmed they’re two different characters
Also heaven probably decided to just make an identical woman for Adam, I dunno but it seems pretty possible. Sadly this theory has tons of holes cause people can literally just change necklaces
There is a theory Eve got turned into Roo (we don't really know a lot about her but she will be a villain in season 2 or 3 and that her name maybe be short for root for all evil) after she eat the apple
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I think you are right. Eve is Charlie's mother. Charlie doesn't know that, and/or has blocked out her memories hence the lack of a face. That will be one of the big reveals of the show and it will ultimately screw Alastor because he doesn't realize that Charlie's real mother is Eve and therefore cannot help free him from Lilith. Lilith probably loathes Charlie, a reminder of Lucifer's betrayal. So she cuts a deal setting forth the extermination in exchange for kicking it in heaven. It also sets up a journey for Charlie to find Eve, who is now the "root of all evil" aka "roo."
Also the Lilith with the white pearly necklace always has a warm expression, but other times we see her (without her pearly necklace) she is more cold and looks annoyed that she has to be in portraits with her husband and daughter (and Lilith with her pearly necklace is smiling and looking happy to be there with her family)
I mean…IN the show it’s revealed they had a divorce. That’ll do that.
@@cryptidnipWhat are you talking about? They are not divorced, just living separate lives, but Lucifer is still waiting for her to call him or something
@@MonsterDoggothey are literally divorced, Charlie mentions her parents split up
@@mantelumgamingloilol123 splitting up doesn't neccessarily mean divorcing. they could live in separation and that's also the couple splitting up.
@@tavprisun That's semantics. The point is that she was unhappy enough in their marriage to leave and take their daughter.
I'm betting it's more an indicator of her motives and mood. She was soft and kind,pure like the pearls at first. As she became disillusioned, she lost that rich joy, and eventually exchanged it for something sharp and dark.
“There’s an interesting ther-“ UAGGHHH I ALREADY HAVE SO MUCH LORE AND THEROIES NO MORE PLEASE
Also there is a thing that not many ppl pointed out but on the pictures in the background of the hotel in the family pictures Lilith has white and yellow eyes and in the one with the Von eldritch family she has a disgusted face with red and white eyes. Which is really weird, but it looks similar to the eyes Charlie and Lucifer get when they are in their demon forms.
That‘s because she took Charlie as little child away, the „family“ picture is where Charlie is older, so they was already broken up together, that‘s why she is „disgusted“. But to make an false royality to keep the „minions of hell“ quiet, they playing „happy family“ to show the royals are still „ok“.
I like the idea that it's actually Eve, and in Hazbin, Lilith and Eve are sisters.
That-that makes no sense
@Arb_Sallaku No no he has a point
@@theimpirialistorio4412 you-you dare use my own spells against me,potter?
I personally think Eve is Roo, and that when Eve ate the apple she became the Root of all Evil and is holding Alastors leash and using him to get closer to Charlie, because Charlie is Lilith's daughter and Eve/Roo wants revenge for Lilith ruining her paradise.
@@Slash_to_your_heartwtf-wtf do you mean
By that logic the cast from the pilot must've all been replaced with imposters...
Yeah, she just stopped wearing the necklace
Or, yk, she just… now this is crazy, but… she just took it off 💀
I mean some would say that we don't see Liliths and Eves face but we do,we see Liliths in pictures. And every time Eve is on screen she has that wide smile and flowing hair. I went back to the story at the start of ep1, and Liliths hair was not moving while Eve's was flowing, we see the same flowing hair when "Lilith" takes Charlie away from Lucifer, now knowing that the necklaces are different too I think it's intentional that the two are different.
Yeah, Eve=Evil? Seems to be the direction we're headed in. Yeah, Eve's hair is flowing constantly while Lilth's is just constantly swooped back straight.
I just went and watched it and the both have flowing hair. Liliths hair is only still for one scene
Me personally I think the woman in the flashback was eve, if u look at ep 8 Adam vs lucifer, lucifer says both of adams wives liked him and maybe he wasn’t joking. Also Adam got really mad when he said this hinting at the possibility that’s it’s true. And the woman we see in ep 8 is Lilith without the necklace lucifer gave her, she left him after she found out he got with eve aswell.
we could also mention how the Lilith in the pictures has a normal nose...but the Lilith on the beach in Episode 8 has the same nose with a black spot that Charlie has
I thought it was the apple Lucifer offered and not him taking eve as wife
@@canyouthefandango3220 Same here! I thought that was the joke? Lol.
It's a fun theory but the woman in the flashback is definitely Lilith confirmed by her being the same in her trading card
It's insinuated that not everybody knows the true story, and that if something happened, it was definitely an affair and not actually being married. He gave her the apple, but he's hiding something that happened after and the world believes Charlie is Lillith's and not Eve's, and only Lucifer and Lilith know and have kept it from Charlie. @@canyouthefandango3220
Even her hair is different in the flashback
There's a legend that says the tears eve cried when she left heaven became pearls - could be a reference to similar. She doesn't wear them since she struck her deal and is allowed in heaven/eden/wherever she is?
They're also common wedding gifts, so easily could be symbolising the before and after divorce times
This is legitimately how you identify Carmen Sandiego in the educational game I had as a child.
And strangely enough, based one of 2 images ever drawn of the character, Roo (an upcoming villian that Vivziepop had been teasing since 2019) looks pretty darn similar to Carmen herself.
I think there’s more to that character design than just being a simple “design choice”.
First of all, That's an interesting theory, maybe the necklace was gift from Lucifer or Charlie so iconic only they would notice.
Second of all, IF I SEE ANOTHER AMONG US JOKE...
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*slinks back into the vent with narrowed eyes*
damn
When the Hazbin Hotel character is Sus
If its red...
@@Periwinklelove *That is everyone in the cast...*
Kinda sus ngl
No one questioning how when Carmela carmine was singing “whatever it takes” when she said attacked for the first time in the song her eyes glowed more red than usual for like 1 second?
You're really digging with this one
When alastor is telling Charlie that he knows something she doesn’t in ep 7 you can hear the little whistle that plays when Lilith is revealed
It's also interesting that Charlie hasn't heard from her mom in 7 years, which is also the amount of time Alastor was gone.
Whose to say Alastor isn't working for the Lilith Imposter?
What if he got tricked into thinking he was working for Lilith, but it was really the Imposter! That would be cool as it shows how dangerous the Imposter is if it can trick Alastor of all people.
Eve is definitely going to be the final villain of the show
That would be awesome
I love Charlie's outfit in the portrait of the three of them. It's so cute!!
"Ask for help" is such a nice way to describe what Lute said in that scene.
Lilith fr looked like a Kim possible character lol
Omg she did!!! This is such an underrated comment
@@christinabryant9225 I noticed the second I saw her
Lute looks like a Butch Hartman character.
“Oh no I’m wearing a new necklace I’m imposter!” No she could just have a NEW OME OK!!!
She was not an imposter. She got angry when they called her Lilith. She wasn't an imposter, Lute was wrong
Or and hear me out this is crazy. She just doesn't wear the necklace all the time.
EXACTLY LIKE WHAT
EXACTLYYY. The theorists are reeeaching now.
Dude this is madness. People can't spontaneously remove clothes or jewelry.
Every single detail could mean something, it was not like the creators forgot to put the necklace
@@dariyanstefanov8314the animators put characters in different outfits all throughout the series but you draw the line with Lilith?
The picture of Rosie was so random
this needs more likes
Rosie is Lilith in disguise confirmed!
Normal people: she’s definitely an imposter!
Gen Z: nah she a crewmat- 💀
Off topic: Lilith and her family look so goddamn wholesome in those photos, it makes me so sad to see how things ended up.
Saw a theory that said the possible imposter for Lilith could be eve. I think that eve wanted revenge against Lilith for tricking her into eating the apple and creating the original sin. Plus I can imagine her feeling some kind of resentment towards Lilith because originally she was supposed to be Adam’s wife, but she got to escape and make a happy life for herself with a loving husband and daughter while eve was stuck with Adam( who I imagine would suck at being at dad bc he sucks in general ) I think that Eve wants revenge on the entire Morningstar family which is why she got rid of Lilith, separated Charlie from Lucifer when she was little so he’d be alone with no connection to his family and is probably controlling Alastor as a way of keeping tabs on charli now that shes older-
Eve had children with Adam abel, cain and seth
Cain murdered abel out of jelousy through and well After that seth was born
@@jasminkrieger8464 I haven’t heard those names in the show? Maybe they don’t exist in hazbin hotel? ( I could b wrong 😭 )
Where do you get that trading card?
@@aztecwarlord1277 huh?
You guys saying its just bc she divorced lmao. A good show communicates things through character design, music, setting e.g. I would believe that it's a because of her separation with Lucifer if the pearl necklace was just missing, however the way they gave her a new, non-generic necklace, which is clearly intentional seeing as the headshot of a character is usually one of the first things you notice especially given the angle they used in that scene, says to me theres something more. There is clearly a deeper reason than she just happened to wear that necklace because she likes necklaces. Do i think shes a clone? Nah, but its interesting.
For me a good pointer is that through EP5 you see Lilith in the background pictures all the time, hell one even has focus on it.
But the actualy woman is shown with as little details as possible. And in EP8 her hair and eyes are also covered. The outlines of both Lilith and Eve are very similair in EP1, only the hair seems a bit different.
And Lilith's card looks a lot like Eve
She wore the pearl one once. She's wearing a different necklace every time she has a necklace.
@@MlDDlFF Well you can go find me some canon instances where she wears a necklace which isn't pearl, nothing or her new emo looking one in her less than one minute of screen time because this is the first time I'm hearing about her other elusive necklaces. Also you are literally just wrong lmao, watch the video again and there are at least 3 times she wears a pearl necklace even though her outfit and the time/day changes. 💀
@@dominiklange8382 Lilith has swept back hair, Eve's is wavy!
I think it’s more of a representation that she is not the same loving person she was at the beginning of her and Lucifer’s relationship, her not wearing the necklace shows her going through change and now wearing a spiked diamond necklace means her intentions and feelings are different than before
That trading card got me acting a little…
"A person owning more than one necklace, and choosing not to wear either sometimes??? Don't be ridiculous. Identity theft is the only explanation."
In all three portraits, Charlie is wearing a black dress, however, the Charlie we see in the series wears red. Clearly this means Charlie is an imposter too. No wonder Lucifer is so depressed, both his ex-wife and daughter were replaced. /s
💀💀💀 nah
@@Geno-xj6ri they were joking
@@Theorylover1st i know
Vivienne didn’t plan out what Lilith looked like. It’s a show in progress. Cmon.
The theory of me and others (other people on youtube have done a lot more research on this): The necklace she wears at the beach is a voodoo medallion which allows the wearer to take anyone for 7 seconds, minutes, hours, days, etc. so even years
I think there's something to at least the final necklace scene.
The shot composition wants you to focus on it, it's dead center. It's a bright red and covered in sharp angles, much like a bloody dagger. While Lute is baring everything, the only thing mystery ma'am is openly touting is the necklace. Like a trophy or brazen act of pride toward something only she knows of.
My best guess is not that mystery lady is an imposter but rather someone that made a deal with Lilith and is using her body, which would coincide nicely with husk, angel, and alastor breaking the chains of their deal through redemption.
with the speculations eve is rue/roo (i.. dont know how to spell her name) that isnt too farfetched of an idea
Has anyone noticed that the trading card of Lilith looks exactly like the first introduction of Eve after she ate the apple
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"woooAhh she stOppEd wEArinG a NecKlacE" just because there's a clothes change does mean they're an "impostor" or every episode you'd be saying that
Lilith: " I just want to changed my style, why you judge me the imposter!!?"
There is no way they have Adam and mention the moment Lucifer seduced Eve without having her as a character in the series. This theory makes sense to, when you think about the fact she ate fruit from the tree of knowledge. She is likely capable of masquerading as anyone she wants. I'm looking forward to the 2nd season already.
So you didn't watch the first episode?
Are you talking about the dialogue in episode 8? Lucifer was referring to Eve taking the apple he offered, making a joke.
Well he did do the thrusting motion when mentioning everything and Lilith, could also be about the apple. Or both
From what I heard, the apple can also mean sex.
I always understood that the second one took what he offered too as
he offered HER the APPLE
Fun fact: the art of Roo from Viv has the same type of hat that Lilith wears in episode 8.
My theory is that Roo is just Lilith's powered up form or whatever
Or Roo is what Eve turned into after eating the apple and unleashing evil on the world. Roo is canonically short for "the root of all evil". I'm really into the "Eve replaced Lilith and that's why she went missing for 7yrs" theory.
@@alexn5257 Idk, that theory is too common. That would basically be me spraying the ocean. So, I like the uncommon theories even if it sounds insane
Who is roo?
I swear they've been mentioned liek, 5 times to me and no one has explained who tf they are
@@thesupernaturalhouse As we said, Vivziepop (the creator of Hazbin) made a tweet showcasing a character she was excited to introduce into the show. It was Roo
@thesupernaturalhouse Roo is a major antagonist confirmed by Vizie to be part of the main series later on. The only description given was "Roo, as in, the root of all evil."
That flash back I had one thought DIVORCE
Been loving Hazbin and Ive been following your content and I love it
I find it funny that people will take the most minuscule detail and base an entire theory around it
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Its so fucking out there as a theory. At least the vaggie one was based on her having a holy spear. "She changed her necklace on the shot." Alright. Leaving behind the fact that it has been more than 7 years since she last popped up,that would be eauivalent to saying cherry bomb was corrupted by angel miasma and that is why she was so happy about the hotel in the final song
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Yeah, completely agreed.
This entire theory is based solely on assumptions and speculation.
And yet, in less than a week, we will see this crap all over social media, like Reddit forums and the goddamn Twitter.
This is just starting to get annoying.
My possible theory is that the necklace that "Lilith" is wearing is actually a disguise necklace. Eve has Lilith locked up somewhere and is pretending to be her to destroy Hell. The real Lilith is probably locked or trapped, which is why she can't answer Charlie's phone calls or leave a voicemail. And Eve made a deal with Lute and Adam just so she can stay in Heaven since we don't know what happened to Eve after she ate the forbidden fruit. (Did Eve or Lilith eat that? I forgot)
I think the show contradicts it. In their fight Adam doesn’t react when Lucifer bragged about stealing Lilith from him, with the ending giving context, Adam didn’t care because he knew where Lilith is. But he reacted negatively when Lucifer brought up Eve. Adam probably hasn’t seen Eve in years and is a sore subject for him.
Eve ate the apple.
@@casie6528 Thanks
@@moondivine2288 what if Eve actually slept with Lucifer, the common idea when he says 'Both your wives liked what I had to offer' is that Lucifer gave her the apple but what if that was not the case and he somehow slept with Eve. it would explain Adam's rage and him being a dick and all it would not be strange for Eve to seek it somewhere else. it could also explain why Lilith left
@@velvety2006 I don’t think Eve slept with Lucifer. He only said that to get under Adam’s skin. Though personally I want to see Eve’s side of the story and not just take Lucifer’s word for it. I do find it interesting that Adam didn’t rub it in Lucifer’s face that he knows where Lilith has been in the past 7 years. That guy does have a big mouth.
Though I think Adam is mostly meant to be one dimensional I know why he would be angry. Because Lucifer giving Eve the apple it led to her and Adam being kicked out of paradise. Not only did he face hardship for the first time but later his eldest son Cain killed his other son Abel. Idk if that will be in the show. I think Lilith has another reason for leaving though why would probably be revealed later.
I think that when family photo she wears that when there’s family photos, she doesn’t wear necklaces but sometimes she does😮
In that case I think Rosie is hiding as Lilith and Rosie actually owns Alastors soul. Who else can disrespect him like that? She’s also an overlord and the more souls she has the more powerful she is. I think she went for Alastor due to his high power. Everyone already thinks it’s Lilith who owns Alastors soul and lilith is hiding as Rosie. With this it could be switch around a bit and still make sense.
That would be a crazy plot twist honestly
I guess compared to necklace the hair line difference is more realistic in terms of imposter theory. Her hair line in the flashback was so randomly like eve's? It's animation nothing is done without notice. Her hair didn't randomly get drawn like eve's. It was intentional to bring this much notice to the hair. They could've gone with her normal but they didn't. They had shown her face earlier in pics why blur it now with a hair difference. They all looked so happy in the portraits. Her smile was also like eve's in the first episode in the trading card. Why is lucifer still wearing his ring and lilith isn't in the trading card and that art that just dropped by viv. Though I believe the one at the beach is the real lilith. Her and lucifer have separated (not divorced taking a break from a 10000 smthng years of being together) due to misunderstandings caused by the said imposter in flashback who I believe is eve. Adam got such a big role ya think they just forgot abt eve? They probably threw her down to hell for the forbidden fruit incident. She decided revenge and broke off their marriage ( even dragged Charlie away ?).
I still want them to reunite and be madly in live how viv had initially stated maybe I got too attached to that idea.
You also need to remember that there's a ton of different art styles depicting her too
Eve and lilith share a body. At least that hazbin hotel wiki says
I think it's because she divorced Lucifer and he gave her the necklace, so she doesn't love her anymore, so she doesn't wear it.
Helpp everytime you say "i'll break it down" i imagine some stock photo guy dancing break
Or the necklace could be a detail representing her connection to her family or Lucifer and now it’s gone as a show of her separation.
Her being Eve makes the most sense cause while it could be lilth taking it off after the divorce, this isn't really how cartoons work, most of the time outfits stay the same unless it's a big development in the story like the final battle. Vivz has an extreme attention to detail pattern in her show. The suit charlie wears in the pilot is also the suit lucifer wears in a photo. Also if they were divorce why are the pictures still up to show how happy they were? Viviz could have easily removed that detail but she didn’t (it would have saved a lot of work if the photo was just a small photo that lucifer had in his pocket) if it was really lilth why hid her face? Heck we already saw it several tines through the photos, so why the sudden face being hidden all of a sudden? If it was lilth and just hiding her face completely for mystery then shouldn't there have been also shading on the photos to hide her face in the photos too? Also the smile is what throws me off the most, we never see her smile like how Eve does in the beginning. Heck even the pilot had a detail pattern of forseen events of the show
Exactly!
I agree after doing the dishes on a Monday night
"I know this might seem insane but what if, She just changed her necklace?"
Or maybe, hear me out, she got a new necklace 🤯
Shocking i know
I think it's because Lilith isn't Charlie's mother. I think Charlie's mother is Eve, which is hinted at when Lucifer taunts Adam. The person whose face is is invisible is actually Eve's, and that is why Eve has no face but Lilith does. As Charlie does not know that Eve is her mother.
I think with eve he meant the forbidden fruit
@@Ipennien at 15 minutes in he says, "your first wife didn't hate what I had to offer, or the second" and then he makes a pelvic thrusting motion and makes the "bow chica bow wow" noise clearly insinuating he has been intimate with both women.
@@Ipennien At 15 minutes in he taunts Adam by saying that "his first wife didn't hate what I had to offer" and "or the second" after which he pelvic thrusts the air and says "bow chica bow wow." Making it pretty clear that he slept with both of them.
@@clarissa.explains.it.all82 this could be taken in different ways. It’s not overly clear if that is truly what he means. He was taunting Adam while fighting him. He could have been saying this just to piss Adam off. Which it kind did. The reason Lilith ran from Adam was because she did not want to be subservient to him like he wanted. While Eve was. Lucifer tho pulled Eve away and gave her free will.
@@humanoidrkangel I would argue that it is VERY CLEAR what he meant. The question you are actually posing is whether or not the statement was truthful or not. At this point in the show Lucifer has proven himself to only be earnest and honest so I do not see this as likely being untruthful, we are talking about a guy that called out his own depression. Now it could be possible he did it to throw Adam off in battle. But if you watched the same climax as me, it was absolutely unnecessary as Adam stood absolutely no chance in that fight. The most likely answer is that Lucifer at one point in time courted both Lilith and Eve. Likely Lilith first and then Eve as she gained the freedom of free will and then she had the freedom to leave Adam. Ultimately becoming "Roo" also known as "the root of all evil" which is a character vivzie designed years ago and whose symbol has been hinted at throughout the pilot and show. This is what will mess up the B plot with alastor as he is unaware that Lilith is not actually Charlie's mother and won't be able to help free his soul when the time comes and he requests his favor.
Or to add to this theory it isn't just an imposter but Eve, Lillith's sister/clone. (Heven isn't known for creativity and it makes sense to copy the proto-type when the original didn't work out with Adam). If the theory is correct about Lillith being the one who suggested giving Eve the apple it would make sense this whole thing is a convoluted revenge plot.
That's crazy I never thought about that till now
If that’s so, then it would be kinda cool when the “impostor” is eve.
It's an accessory. It can just be removed or replaced.
Dont tell him that, it will be too simple to believe
A necklace may not be definitive evidence of an imposter, as characters in this show change clothes, but I'll raise you this instead:
What if it's Eve? Here's some points↓
- In many tellings of the original story, Eve is said to be identical to Lilith
- Eve is one of the only other characters in the series to be purposely obscured, both in her face and a surprising lack of mention from any other character
- Lucifer actively confirms he has slept with Eve, too (in the fight between he and Adam)
- If she ate the fruit and was the true beginning of human sin, this should put Eve in hell, too
- Adam's right hand is Lute, which purposefully puts Eve away from the place where we should expect her to be
- Adam notes that he's sleeping around and partying on his weekends the very first time we hear him talk, so (as if the misogyny isn't enough) we can almost guarantee he's not married anymore (as heaven looks down on cheating)
Not a super solid theory, of course, so feel free to add or debunk in my replies if you'd like. I just think it's odd that Adam was a Frontline character but not his more well known other half.
I too become a different person once I stop wearing my necklace.
Or maybe Lilith just changed her necklace, just like we all changed our clothes and accessories 😐
Guys Lilith doesn’t show her feet in any pictures that must mean the one in episode 8 is a fake
Season 1 was SO freaking good, where’s season 2 already (by the way I know it’ll take a while and I obviously don’t expect all of season 2 to be finished tomorrow and then 2 or 3 weeks we get all the episodes in 2s)
*Charlie's hotel* : we had a brutal war 🔪😢
*Lilith* : i was chilling in heaven😇😎
Maybe she just wants to wear a different necklace
Lute said her “spawn” when referring to Charlie, so I’m sure that Lute believes that’s actually Lilith. We don’t know the story of why Lilith isn’t in hell, though Charlie did imply in the first episode that she was busy off doing something important. Though whether that means she’s being a double agent in Heaven or a lie to cover up that she got tired of shit in hell, well, we’ll find out eventually I imagine
Also the hair is different. Pearl necklace lillith’s hair is very bright blonde and shwoops back like Lucifer’s, no necklace lilith’s hair/hairline goes down towards her shoulder more (doesn’t shwoop back at all) still blonde but more of a darker light brown shade.
*Takes off necklace*
Fandom: IMPOSTER
Or necklaces are easily removable pieces of jewelry.
Also the lack of horns
she never had horns.
Bro In One Of The Photo's It Shows Her With Horns Smh @@Ipennien
@@Ipennien She does have horns, it is confirmed however demons can alter their forms so it’s likelihood that Lilith just presents herself with no horns
Oh i didn't see them@@hoggersytv2
@@Ipennien She does have horns, Creative crew confirms this but adds she can change them, to look different. Not much of a stretch to think she can shapeshift to no-horns as well.
Also I have heard it could be Eve because the hair does not look the same and also in episode 8 Lucifer also said something about Eve also like Lucifer… it could have been that Eve replaced Lilith because in the 1st episode we see them and Lilith has horns but Eve does not have horns and in the flashback with Charlie it looks like Eves hair more than Liliths hair… so it might be Eve… Maybe…
Lucifer never said Eve was interested in him? The dig he had on Adam was basically comparing their sex life, saying that Lilith liked him more, not Eve.
@@TheNetherLord5240 He literally said "Well your first wife didnt seen to hate what I had to offer (lilith) or the second one (Which is Eve)". He probably meant the fact that Eve accepted his apple tho, and to piss adam off because she liked the apple that HE gave but you never know.
@@christina22klol12, no, he said, "well, your first wife didn't seem to hate what I had to offer, (being rebellious and going against Heaven, or in her case, Adam) or the second... (as in sex)" hope this clears the air!
Don’t the royal family, alastor and I’m sure some other demons/hell born not all have retractable horns based on how upset or emotional they are?
Also how when we see her face, that’s ginger hair. Yes I know shadows play a role but it’s very noticeable way different if they were to use a shadow to show she is shadowed. Also if you look to the far left of her hair all the way, the light hits it making it show that orange
wait until they find out that people can change their jewellery