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But Husk should not be compared to Angel Dust because Alastor treats Husk with respect even if he is his slave, but Valentino always rapes Angel Dust, even in his spare time. 😊
possible spoiler: if i read the right comic just before val blasts angel with a angelic 45c husk swoops down and saves angel with both them getting shot at as husk fly's off with Angel. if this make it to the show i think it will cement the husker dust ship.
When I watched the episode, yes the scene made me a bit uncomfortable, it's supposed to. But it's nowhere near as bad as what people were complaining about with the leaks. Context really does matter.
I agree, I thought from what people were complaining that it was a long uncomfortable thing but it wasn't. I was a bit uncomfortable but they didn't show it for long.
I saw many people who have survives SA say that they actually find the scene comfroting and quite well presenting. It is not exploititive nor is it fetishizing abuse, not to mention that Angel's experience was inspired by Viv's own so....
This show and Helluva Boss are for adults and will cover topics/themes that aren't "safe". I find it ridiculous that people are already complaining about the content since the world doesn't revolve around anyone, especially you. If you don't like the topics, then don't watch it. No one complained that Moxxie's grew up in the mafia and his dad killed his mom. Or when Fizz was being abused and exploited by Mammon (especially sexual exploitation). This is a *reality* for tons of people and it shouldn't be censored because some people don't like them.
I think the thing that is causing the controversy is that it’s sexual abuse, which is much harder to portray with respect and care, and it can easily be portrayed poorly, since it is such a heavy topic. Especially for a lot of people who have dealt with and are still dealing with similar abuse.
i think the themes of the episode are very effective and puts poison in a horrifying context, but there should have been a content warning at the beginning considering the context of the show beforehand was so light in comparrison
This episodes just make me realize why I love Angel has a character so much. He is so complex and has a lot of emotions, to he holds on. That a lot of his behavior is because of a possible chance to escape Valentino is so sad...😢 But I love the growing relationship between Husk and Angel. Kind of Soulmates. ❤ Also Husk being a former Overlord was a huge surprise!
Imma be honest with u fam angel ain’t that it’s sympathy act they’re trying to pull and ur falling for it u want a character who’s complex with sexual assault try beserk guts is the best example
@@tobsonasanya4765 yes he's a typical Tumblr gay stereotype with tRauMa whose being carried by his amazing voice actor. Not to mention he's an SA victim whose story is being handled with the care of a feral dog all while Viv hides the fact that a prominent member of her staff is into NC and ships Angel with his abuser. The simple fact of the matter is the emotional moments have not been earned and at this point it is absolutely a sympathy bait.
@@havicmaking such an oversimplification lol. He ain't a bad character. Also his story has been solid so far considering it has been 4 episodes in lol. Has his trauma being played for jokes in the show?? No
@@year7high711 I didn’t say he’s a bad character but he’s not some compelling complex character and certainly not unique. He might even be the best written one simply because much more talented writers have written his story before, so long as Viv follows the lines he’ll be just fine. My criticism about Viv as a showrunner still stands though. Oversimplification? The character is as shallow as your local inflatable pool and just fragile. Please tell me what I’m missing.
I hope he doesn't die. I actually want to see if it’s possible for him and even Husk to become free of their contracts because that just might be what keeps them from being redeemed.
First off, I hate how people keep calling this episode "controversial". Someone being abused the way Angel does extremely common, whether sex workers or housewives, the series at no point shows the relationship as a positive, they show the highs of the drugs and the lows of the abuse, and overall paints a picture of a person suffering while clinging to the few "positive" things that are still there, but at the same time, wanting a way out and being afraid or powerless to leave. This isn't "controversial", this is the kind of thing that deserves to be shown. Another thing that was pointed out in this episode specifically was how people with power who disapprove of this kind of situation claim to be against it, but don't do anything to change it or do it the wrong way. How? Well, Vaggie pointing out that Charlie could use her authority to do something, because she is the fucking princess of Hell. Sure, in the show it's shown as Charlie being nice and not wanting to be mean to others, but I think this links to what I think will be Charlie's arc of learning that being nice in excess is not good, especially if you're not being more active. We know how many celebrities and even political figures speak against X, Y and Z things that are bad, but when it comes to do something to help, they donate to charity or just try to speak for an unprivileged group they're not a part of and that ends up not being as helpful as it could be, and Charlie is sorta like that, making things worse by invading Valentino's set. I think Charlie will eventually learn to actually command some authority, either by breaking contracts (which I assume she has the power of doing) or just do the fun thing of using the potential angelical powers she got from her father to obliterate Valentino.
There’s something to be said with victims of trauma ‘owning’ it to feel in control - Angel ‘owns’ his status as a sex icon, makes out like he’s loving the high life.
The controversy was mostly on the main animator/storyboard for the scene/song having a known non-con/r*pe k*nk (of who the first leak of the song came) Vizzi responding with "so hot" (not the exact words) and then when survivors of sa called out his participation and response she chose to double down. When a fan and sa survivor directly confronted her she minimised their experience and worry. This topic can be handled better with more respect for the victim in and outside the show, showing hypersexuality as an (unhealthy) coping mechanisms WITHOUT indulging in it and being sure it handling doesn't goes to open fetishist of sa, the material isn't exploited for merchandise, etc. The depiction of sexual violence itself wasn't the only topic being discussed by survivors . Yall really pathetic telling barely half of the story.
I think people don't get Poison, They say if glorifies abuse but I take it as a song about the people in abusive relationships that stay in them even though they know they're abusive. Cause some people just don't know how to or want to break up
The biggest issue with poison is someone who worked on it. Vivzi hired someone who enjoys rape-play and often has desires of wanting to rape people. That's the issue. She hired someone to work on the video who enjoys this and has stated they would want to do it to people. That's the issue.
The lyrics literally said he was addicted to it at first and then became sick of it at the next chorus. It reflects how victims of abuse will choose to stay because they see red flags through a rose tinted glass. But there are also victims who clearly see the red flags and want to leave but there are circumstances that make it impossible
I’m just going to say. In my opinion… Masquerade is the best episode currently by far! Mostly because it’s the first one to explore these topics and interesting stories with the first three episodes still being good but feeling more like character introductions. Also Poison and Loser, Baby are probably my favourite songs of the show so far
It's probably why they chose to release the first four at once. Masquerade is SO much stronger than 1-3, which were good but a little confusing for new viewers. This is what's going to entice viewers to stick around.
PCP, AKA Angel Dust: ‘A moderate amount of PCP often causes users to feel detached, distant and estranged from their surroundings’. In other words, Angels favourite drug is one that makes him dissociate and numb, unable to feel the pain.
As a SA victim myself hearing anything about the situation with valentino and angeldust is a very touchy subject for me, as angeldust represents a lot of what comes with that kind of trauma, and does it well. Your analysis of the episode really puts comfort on being able to watch it, having already heard explanations, and not leaving room to wonder more. Thank you.
as sum1 who has also experienced “sa” i have my iffs on angel dust and the representation of sa in the show but for the most part there minor and the show does a regularly good job with showing and conveying such
Just know that you're loved and cared for and I'm so happy that you made it through all that pain. You're an amazing person and keep on thriving.🫂 I'm cheering Angel on, hoping he'll get out of his horrible situation.
It's okay if the scene makes you uncomfortable. It's a disturbing topic, and that's what the disclaimer is there for. I think in the context of the video, it doesn't at all glorify what Angel is going through, and as upsetting as this can be, it is the reality for a lot of people, and I think it's an important discussion to have. It explores very important consent issues, like the fact that you can say yes, and still not truly be consenting because of a power dynamic that is being taken advantage of. I understand that people are upset with an animator having a non-consent fetish, but idk, it's kind of a weird take that someone should vet their employee's fetishes. I also don't personally think there is anything wrong with the fantasy of said fetishes, as long as there is consent involved. The minute you cross that boundary, it's a huge deal of course. But I really just don't think that particular take in the controversy has much of a leg to stand on. This was always going to be the story, regardless of who was animating it.
I really hope that you go over that husk was a overlord before selling his soul to Alastair. That was one of the most surprising things about the backstory’s about these characters
@@sethisevilone02 Unless once you destroy someone, you'd destroy the souls that they own. So if she killed Val, Angel would die... Which i would be very upset if he'd only last 4 episodes 😅
Thank you!! I’ve been wondering about that! It’s obvious that Angel cares for the group he got himself at the hotel. He won’t admit but he definitely views them as family to an extent. He definitely feels caring for Charlie especially she’s the one she gave hope into him. It’s just trying to break from Val is important:/ even his actions at the hotel says he finds it as his safe place when Sir Pretentious failed being a spy.
@@Mephora she is the princess of hell She is just as powerful as lucifer She can body even Alastair Val is fucked why do you think he was acting soo nice to her
I liked episode 4 and the way it tackled the subject matter of SA since stuff like this happens to sex workers especially when they have pimps. Having this discussion is very important and showing how uncomfortable it makes the viewer shows how awful a situation it is of victims of the same abuse. So the ppl calling out Viv are ridiculous the episode already had a warning about the subject matter that would take place during the episode since it was 18+ instead of 16+ like the other 3 episodes. I’m invested in Angel’s story about breaking away from Valentino and bettering himself.
I think that the uncomfortable poison music sequence is amazing. Not because it’s sexual or whatever, but because of just how absolutely disgusted I felt after watching that, since I rarely see scenes that are narratively supposed to disgust the viewer and actually succeed at it. Usually it just fails at making you uncomfortable and instead glorifies the disgusting uncomfortable garbage, but Poison nailed it.
I feel like also Alastor might end up actually be evil (kinda as a subverting the expectations) and the hotel tries to free Husl from the contract that keeps Alastor in control of Him
I said it before when I saw Addict and I'll say it again. Angel's story is a commentary of a real life tragedy that is often ignored: abuse in the adult industry. There is a stigma that people involved in this kind of work are asking to be treated this horribly. The Poison sequence is so hard to watch as its hammering the reality of how human these people are and that kind of situation is just horrific. Angel was my favorite character when I first saw the pilot and still is.
Because of the controversy of the song poison, some people had to come out and speak out about it. An SA victim said that just because someone is a victim of an abuser, doesn't mean sex will always be non-con, sometimes the abuser will manipulate their victim to a point where they'll give consent willingly despite the real nature of the relationship. I think HH does an excellent job in portraying this other side of SA, one where the victim is actually hypersexual and will give consent willingly because of how deep the abuse goes. Many people will question and criticise SA victims if they aren't repulsed by sex or if they consented every now and then to the abuse they suffered. I hope more shows portray this consequence of SA as well.
As a victim of abuse, I can definitely say that sometimes you are put into positions where saying yes is your only option. Fear often overrides so much that I would do anything I had to just to keep my abusers at bay. I couldn't risk them getting angry or upset without consequence. It can make you feel like you have absolutely no control, and sometimes you don't. Hence why a lot of people, myself included, will turn to vices to at least provide some sense of something that can actually be controlled. It makes me feel horrible, yes, but I get to be in control of that pain, unlike everything else around me.
@@emmitloguidice7456 I’m so sorry you’ve been through that, I hope you are able to heal completely. If you don’t mind, based on your experience, you think the episode handled the topic correctly? Did it represent it the way it should?
@@crypt5129 I mean that at some point the abuser messes up with you so badly that sometimes you'll willingly give consent because they were acting lovingly in that moment, it's a very horrible situation to be trapped in
We saw just a glimpse of Charlie going full demon in that episode, and I have to assume that as Lucifer's daughter she's actually really powerful, just too kind hearted to really let it out. I hope so see more of that aspect of her, and I really hope she's able to save Angel in the end.
I really appreciate you guys always releasing so much quality content! And I really hope angel doesn’t die. Episode 4 was amazing! Had me feeling reeeal sad, and that Husker and him song is awesommeeee!
I think it's also interesting in that it reflects the p*rn industry and how consent in the extreme sado masochistic genre can be disregarded in the name of creating content. Not all industries, but definitely some feed on the dynamic of force, pain, and anguish.
To anyone mad at the contents of this episode #1 don't sit there clutching your pearls like we haven't seen worse, you're just wanting a reason to attack the show and or Viv #2 they gave a warning before every episode so they did their due diligence ,#3 we KNEW THIS WAS COMING from the very begginng this show is an adult show always Has been always will be despite it being animated . #4 and last the most important the world doesn't revolve around you if you're triggered by the content you need to deal with that mess yourself a tv show shouldn't coddle your trauma bffr.
5) ITS hell, i know its fiction so it can be changed BUT it is meant to be hell, it is were horrible people go and horrible things happen and im not saying its okay yet i am saying its expected to be there.
@@sierralovat5498YES! Like how come no one talks about the blatant glorification of sa in game of thrones but criticize this episode where is actually handled in a more tasteful way imo. I actually despite GOT mostly because of it btw, yet I found this episode amazing.
The scenes were great and SHOULDN'T be shy'd away from. It's important to show shitty things, they aren't good, but are important to see. People are clutching their pearls at seeing more explicit content in A ADULT animated series. Content like this should be seen, and there is no fetishization.
I have a theory that Alastor has some sort of connection with Lilith’s disappearance, considering how she disappeared about seven years ago, and Vox claimed that Alastor was gone for the same amount of time. I don’t have a lot of evidence to support this theory, but I think the timing has to mean something of sorts. I have no clue what sort of tie ins it could have but I have a feeling the timing isn’t a coincidence.
I find it crazy how this episode is controversial when legit people are going through this every day. it's only controversial because it brings reality to the things people would rather turn a blind eye too.
@@CherryHotSauceit did stand 18+ while the other episodes has 16+ and it’s not like most people didn’t know something like this would happen in the show
And even worse, as many people feel sorry for Angel Dust here, in the mainstream a lot of people DON'T feel sorry for people being mistreated the exact same way.
There's actually another EXTREMELY obvious way that could be the result of Val killing Angel when taking the "Angel trying to destroy himself" line into account, and it comes from episode 2, when Vox convinces Val not to go to the hotel, adding that they can just bring one of the lowest earners for him to shoot instead. Angel being worthless to Val means that he becomes the next lowest earner to shoot when Val's upset, and so there really is no way to escape unless they find a way to break that contract. And, considering we know that Overlords can trade souls in games, perhaps this means we could see a challenge between Charlie or Allister against Val for the rights the souls of the other (in the case of Charlie, putting her OWN soul on the line). Either that or they simply get Charlie/Lucifer to use some authority/money to BUY the contract.
As someone who is an SA survivor and has worked in the sex industry, I feel like Angel's character is an important form of representation in media. Hypersexuality is rarely ever shown and the self-sexualization that results from that abuse is rarely ever seen or talked about. BUT what frustrates me personally from all of this is how people who have an SA f*tish are getting a lot of shame and harassment. Many people such as myself who enjoy this type of roleplay, do not want or are inviting getting SAed and many use it as a way to gain power over a powerless situation. When you can go into it consensually and fall into that dynamic with trust it helps make the memories of that less horrible and helps to rebuild trust in others intimately. But more than that I don't think people understand how complex the emotions of being SAed actually are. How you can mutually hate it and enjoy it while feeling shame for feeling BOTH. I think it's so important to allow people to explore these feelings without shame, to have safe ways to talk about these feelings, and to explore them with trust and vulnerability. Through art, BDSM or though whatever other way works, shaming people for liking something just furthers abuse by silencing people and their own forms of self-exploration. We all deserve to like and explore the dark parts of ourselves and have those parts loved unconditionally.
True. As someone who's watched BDSM stuff before, the animators really didn't hold back with the imagery because it made me go "hold on, this isn't right". They did a good job by showing the difference of BDSM and abuse. If one doesn't enjoy it or doesn't enthusiastically consent to it, it's sexual abuse
Episode 4 made me feel everything angel was feeling and at the end of poison hearing him sound like he was gonna cry made me cry I loved how Charlie got pissed at val and hope she does help angel out of it and i do know if val hurts Charlie her dad will kill val
@@Comet346perhaps angel dust is stuck with him so if Val gets hurt or gets killed does that mean she feels the same pain if he's ever attacked or she attacks him just so she can't fight back that would make sense why she didn't let Charlie brutally murder him.
@@Comet346yeah I mean you saw the way she got angry when she saw Val throw Angel. Also it’s amazing how Val is insulting the princess of hell but probably doesn’t not know that she will literally kill his porn butt!
I also liked how Angel even when he was getting assaulted told Valentino not to hurt “her” referring to Charlie Even though Charlie IS more powerful, just shows you who he really is. I love how you can see how BOTH care about one another
It's pretty weird, because Val literally doesn't blink. He doesn't make the slightest movement when Charlie faces him, as if he really has absolutely no respect for her. This makes me think that perhaps with the new focus of the series, Lucifer and his family do not have as much power as is supposedly implied and it is more of a formal/political power. Or Lucifer simply doesn't care what happens, differentiating himself from God in that. It gives them absolute freedom to massacre each other, or have heaven massacre them.
I won't lie, this episode was REALLY hard to watch. But I think Angel handling this on his own, with Husk to talk to was a more effective outcome than simply Charlie bailing him out. And that duet they had at the end was very good!
Angel Dust as a character personally means so much to me. Ive been in his place before and after years of garbage realized im aroace. The response to beung hurt doesn't always equal immediate avoidance and you can be avodiant and hyper at the same time. Healing isnt pretty. It can be ugly and beautiful and it's human. Dont let puritans make any of you feel dirty or used. You are so seen and cared for.
Ep 4 was really uncomfortable for me to watch, but i did it, and it's by far one of the best episodes so far! It also made me cry because i relate to angel in the form or being SAd at one point in my life, it was never as bad as angels but there was a few times where it almost got that bad. This episode made me feel like i could really emphasize and relate to angel in some way. I also remember watching the poison mv and being like "wow this is really good" not really grasping what it was about until i watched ep4 and i almost cried once more context was given to it.
I hope there will be something like Fizzarolli's 'f you' moment from Angel to Val where he standing up for himself with help from his friends and get his soul back, or him outsmarting Val and breaking free idk
I found the scene with angel and Val really sad and uncomfortable but it was so well written cause Val doesn't have a monstrous voice he sounds like a normal human which is scary but its so good
Quick question: how exactly do contracts work? It’s implied the contracted soul has to obey the one who owns them, but if that’s the case, why didn’t Valentino just force Angel to spy on the hotel in episode 2? I’m just a little confused.
Maybe his contract can only make angle do specified things, if it's anything he wants to the letter he'd have a run of the mill mindless slave, which is impossible to have run by itself or store knowledge of a craft, by having angle just perform 1 general service in his contract he can make a very pure craft of explicit material, which is what he's a specialist in directing, valentino hadn't the need before to spy so wouldn't put it in as he wouldn't care
Can we talk really quick about how there's hints in this episode that Charlie is right about there being good in Angle? When trying to appease Valentino, Angel begs for Val to leave Charlie alone, saying "She gets involved.... Please don't hurt her." Angel, while terrified of Val, still begged for her well-being. Angel sees Charlie as a friend, at least enough to put himself on the line to try to make sure Val doesn't hurt her too. It shows that while Charlie is naive and uneducated in how to help the sinners, she isbgood at picking out people who have good in them.
Speaking of episode 4 could Charlie not Break contracts, we are told she's powerful but never see any of her powers used. Couldn't she do everything alastor is for the hotel and much more
If it were that easy then there wouldn't be any conflict, there have to be limits. I'm betting the world is structured in such a way that even Lucifer himself can't just go around breaking contracts.
I have a theory that Lucifer is not involved in anything that happens. In theory he is expelled from heaven for facing the tyranny of God, so it is most likely that he allows everything. Let sinners do what they want (unlike God, he does not go where he is not called). So the overlords with their contracts are the ones really in charge
Vivzie has a large and dedicated hatedom that will jump on any little thing and champion it as the reason Vivzie is the worst person that has ever lived.
Not only do I love shows like hazbin hotel and helluva boss for their chaotic and adult nature, but for the fact that they touch on very uncomfortable, disturbing, yet all too real/true situations that other shows are afraid to reference about
It honestly should make people uncomfortable. It's addressing something horrifying and painting it to be less only does a disservice to victims by making it seem not as bad to the average person. I have been through some things where it wasn't forced and bullying but let's say the stress from the situation caused my periods to quit completely for months on.
I was in an abusive relationship, which I won't go into detail of, but people should not be angry at angel dust over how he deals with sa. I personally have different ways of coping, but I can understand why angel dust acts how he does and I actually cried during the 4th episode. Anyways, some critics need to understand this is a sensitive topic and that the majority of survivors who saw it think it was represented well.
This comment right here. When I see angel i see who I was .. and how awful my life was even when I was hypersexual and clingy. The addiction to it is so real . Sometimes even craved it after it was over due to familiarity.. I’m glad to have seen this show.
For me, I knew that this would touch something like this and I had to act calm. The thing that caught me off guard was the slap. I felt so scared for Angel and wanted to run and shield him from the hurt and paint Valentino did to him. Yes, the episode made me feel uncomfortable, but I know that people went through all that pain. For those who survived such trauma, you're amazing people and don't stop living and thriving. You're loved and cared by people who are right by your side. Husk, in the final part of the episode, feels like a support line for Angel since he was acting empathetic in Loser, Baby, and he wants him to know that he'll be there to understand what's going on. Angel isn't alone, and I'm cheering for him to thrive and survive. I hope he can make it because he went through so much pain.
The 'poison' in the song Poison may also refer to the emotional abuse. The lies Valentino tells Angel Dust and the way that Angel is being changed and his willpower to fight back is whittled away
I was thinking that instead of foreshadowing Angel dying, the line "My story's gonna end with me dead from your poison" might have been Angel reflecting on how he died on Earth (believed to be a drug overdose). The line might represent him thinking, "I died in the real world because of a drug overdose. If I keep pursuing this addiction, even if I can't die here in hell from it, I will lose so much of myself in the process that I won't be 'alive' anymore." I think the intended meaning of the line refers to a figurative death rather than a literal one because the song is overall focused on how Angel's actions affect him mentally.
I loved the scene when Valentino was just like "I'm not afraid of little miss goody two shoes" and Angel stepped in when Charlie was about to get mad. And I'm like, "Didn't you see her transform? Angel just saved YOUR butt, dude!" I don't know if it's because the Overlords underestimate Lucifer, or they underestimate Charlie, but her naturally nice personality is the only thing holding her back. What might make her lose control is the death of someone she cares about...
in a way he also saved charlie in that scene. if the theory that she is powerful due to her bloodline then she probably could kill Val, but killing him would also haunt her. Charlie is a gentle soul and i think murdering anyone, even Val, would mess with her head.
The happiest ending I see for Angel is them scamming, gambling for, or "trading" something for Angel's soul and him being owned by someone else potentially Alastor Charlie or Husk, maybe even a happy ending where a chain reaction amongst the main cast has Alastor do a kind thing and let Husk go and have his power fully back, and Him winning or bargaining for Angel's soul and just, letting him go free because he's been there. That's about the only positive way out I see for him though a transfer of his soul to someone who treats him better like Charlie or Husk, or even Alastor if he comes to genuinely care for the others by the end just being like " you're already here basically doing what I want you to anyway so find a way to actually help us out around here and aside of that do whatever I guess" really depends on how the story goes I guess I hope we are able to get a happy ending for Angel anyway
I don't care what people say they need to be grateful that we finally get to see more stuff about angel dust to see his true Origins his past review and what his life was
I was so mad at Valentino in this episode. This shows how much even though it’s fictional you really get attached to the characters. As well as how the scenes where Angel Dust was forced by Valentino, this broke me.
@@SouphoverI think the reason they made Val like that in ep 2 was because he was viewed from Vox’s perspective. Even if they are both egotistical and condescending to each other, they respect and maybe are comfortable enough to act relaxed and a bit dumb around each other. Angel doesn’t have that with Val. Angel is afraid of Val BECAUSE Val doesn’t have a lick of care or respect for Angel, since he only sees him as property or a pet.
Maybe we've become so used to bad story structure in animated shows, we're now too quick to judge when we see something that's actually good? All I know is that I really enjoyed Husk and Angel's shared song in Episode 4. Super catchy! 😻
Dude, episode 4 is the best episode of the series. Yes, it’s uncomfortable, that’s the point. Skip it if you don’t wanna see it, but there are some people who love it and it makes them feel seen, etc. Episode 4 is arguably the best episode.
@@sailorstar3148 actually yes and no in the song poison he say he is gonna end up de@th by Valentino and in one episode (2 I think) when Valentino learn that angel is at the hotel he take Guns and vox stop him so he would totally be able to k!ll angel
I suffer with an eating disorder and when i watched this episode it made me realise how similar it is to having a toxic relationship and many of the lyrics of poison relate to that voice telling you lies and that you're nothing without it.
Valentino having Angel’s soul definitely makes the stakes much higher and I hope he doesn’t die by the end of the show.😢😢😢 I love that Husk validates Angel’s feelings in “Loser, Baby” and lets him know that he’s not alone in this situation/understands what it’s like.❤❤❤
I honestly enjoyed ep 4 despite it making me feel uncomfortable at times. But of course, that was the intention for the episode anyway. It showed some of the horrible things that Angel had to go through that some people in the sex industry in actual reality have had to deal with. This episode honestly made me enjoy the character of Angel a lot more because he felt so humanized. All he wants is to leave his situation but can’t because of Valentino’s control over him, making him feel absolutely trapped no matter what he does. And that makes me want to root for him and see him break free of the chains he’s tied to in this episode
13:20 - I don't think possessing a soul grants you the power to summon the original soul's owner, it seems like it's Alastor Vodoo. If Valentino had that power, the messages between him and Angel, trying to convince him to come to the studio, or simply Angel having the need to walk there after the phone call, would make no sense.
In a lot of media, especially the more surface/well known stuff, s 3x workers end up dying. Their story is often a tragedy, showing their abuse and usually ending with death. Not in finding ways to cope, to be themselves, to control their own life again... sad stories with bad endings. And it's a negative trope. I really, really, _really_ hope that Angeldust doesn't die. I'm never expecting a happy raindows and unicorns ending in this show, heck with what's been established even with the most positive outcome Angeldust is already terribly traumatized. But I just hope he lives, and has an okay ending. I do appreciate that so far it seems to deal with the topic well. But that's from an outsider perspective.
@@shadowspringtrap3122 I’ve never watched the streams so some info that isn’t spread around enough is not on my radar most of the time by the way his name means Priceless one, Praiseworthy, and Flourishing and I find that somewhat fitting if I think about it and boy his mother must have had high hopes for him
I think that Angel will get out of his contract. During Angel's and Husker's song, we see them bound up. Husker's bond is tight and even with no hope of escape, as is expected with a deal with Alastor. Angel's bond is more haphazard, possibly suggesting that his contract with Val is not as airtight as we are led to believe.
It’s so disgusting that people online wherever you go still make excuses on how Valentino is not so bad or basically “simp” for him, brushing off his immoral actions and causes. Some even “ship” this toxic relationship (not romantic mind you) and make fanart or content about it. Someone even on pinterest wrote “my fav r❤️” on a fanart of him. That’s so off and these people don’t know the pain such individuals go through in real life, or now in the show to represent those realities of highs and lows of drugs.
from what I understand a lot of those people HAVE been through something similar and through cartoon characters like Valentino they are able to more safely explore their trauma.
@@CartoonUniverse I heard of that before yes. It’s sad and they do often comment having been with someone who was like Val? Through shipping these toxic relationships they try to relate to it and ofc that makes them feel seen at first which is a point of the show sometimes but after that they need appropriate understanding and support from outside. Whoever went through those experiences, please get help.
Angel singing poison is currently my favorite scene from Hazbin hotel. Incredibly unsettling but it gives you true emotions. Didn't expect something so strong from this series!
Angel should ask for a miracle before he jumps into another vice or before Valentino can kill him with a poisonous sniper gun that's actually angelically blessed.
I know that if they kill angel I'm probably not gonna be able to stomach watching anymore. Angel means a lot to me, he was the first character that I connected to like I'm sure others did from their trauma, and seeing him die, whether as a conclusion to his story or not, is going to utterly destroy me. 😭
Honestly it made me love Angel more. The raw topic is something you don't see and I have some traumas myself and it felt good to have some of those emotions show in him. It's hard to deal this and survive these things a lot of people don't understand and get upset. It is a story being shared. I have a lot of respect and love that they show very a little of what some people have gone/still going through.
Yeah, but Fizzarolli actually has nothing similar in behavior with Mammon when Angel does with Val. Fizzarolli doesn't care about money and doesn't use anyone for his benefit. What can you say about Val and Angel. They even have very similar accent and not only it. Aggressive behavior, sexualization of many things, Angel even feels Val. He knows how bad he can be and makes sure that nothing will happen to do him more aggressive. Even in the 2nd episode Angel didn't answer him that was literally correct for him. Val needs that time to calm down. Unfortunately Val doesn't know Angel at all. Only thing he knows about him is how to manipulate him, nothing else, he doesn't know how he'll behave next time. What about the most similar thing I found is that they both have gold tooth, I know it's not that rarity but I still didn't see anyone in episodes that has it too.
i love the show so far. both of them helluva boss and hazbin hotel! the emotional story telling is something i find laking in most modern and even older shows and it is nice to see these experinces shared and talked about in this medium. i have suh a huge amount of respect for the writters and creators of these two shows and i can't wait to see more of both!
To quote Duckman. "Comedy should leave you different than it found you. Demand to be challenged, demand to be offended, demand to be treated like thinking, reasoning adults."
Honestly controversies and cancel culture getting kinda annoying nowadays. Yea thats a heavy topic but newsflash, the world isnt just a nice place. Its build on blood, horror and exploid. Its fine if you cant handle that, it really is. Its also not bad to be a little on the "little snowflake" kinda side. But the truth is, its a you problem. You cant handle it? Then dont watch it.
Episode 4 hit me across the face with a baseball bat named trauma. It was an actual look at what hell is like. The hotel is like this perfect little bubble where everything is sweet and bubbly and a huge place filled with no expectations. Seeing Valentino like that...and the poison scene was really heavy and l get why people would be shocked or uncomfortable but the hate is just stupid.
I think if husk and angel want to be free the overlords would either have to either die or give up souls willingly and while I think it would be easy if alastor kills Valentino.
Yeah but lest be honested does Alastor even care about angel? And he doesn't take the V's seriously so he doesn't see a point in wasting his time on them
@@gourley_85 Even if he's confident that the V's are insignificant, he's intelligent enough to know that Vox can't stand on his own without the alliance of him, Valentino and Velvette, which he mentions in the second episode. If Alastor really sought an end to Vox after he'd outlived his value as entertainment or if he became an imposing threat with the others, he'd likely achieve it through toppling the V's as a group, and subsequently in ending Valentino could free Angel Dust. That being said, Alastor probably wouldn't mean to end Valentino for that reason, moreso Angel being free would be a side effect.
In a lot of ways, Valentino and Asmodeus are foils to one another. Ozzie is the literal Lord of Lust, but he doesn't believe in forcing himself upon others the way Val does. I guess when you think about it, every virtue and sin have both their positive and negative aspects. And the characters of the Helliverse serve as a way to explore all those complex nuances. 😘
But also when I hear important characters voices I hear popular characters too. Charlie sounding like repunzel from the cartoon series,vox like the new Donatello from tmnt,and when velvet sings all I heard was the girl that sings “get down” from the 6 queens musical. Also when I think about it… vaggie also gives off Cassandra vibes who is also from the repunzel cartoon and gets shipped with repunzel a lot
it rlly bothered me that people are having an issue with this episode and calling it "romanticization of abuse." its showing the complex contradicting emotions/thoughts that so many victims themselves struggle with. sigh i relate to angel too much
I expected to be uncomfortable by the Poison scene when the song was released. They DEF delivered, it was more graphic than I expected. But none of the content was surprising, we've known Angel's circumstances since at least Addicts release. All that said, I REALLY hope that Poison wasn't foreshadowing Angel's death. I expect he's gonna go through so real traumatic ish in this show, but I hope to lucifer its all in service of him breaking free from Val, maybe with help from the hotel fam
I know this is probably to "happily ever after" for a story like HH, but what if Charlie, or at least her father, has the power to save Angel by taking back his soul or force Val to give them his soul to get out of some kind of punishment or something and it eventually goes to Charlie, and Charlie being Charlie and Angel being Angel, he assumes she's going to use it to force him to find redemption, but she just gives it back to him, saying he needs to make that choice on his own? I can see that being that sad moment where everything seems like it's over but that one little flicker of hope changes everything.
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But Husk should not be compared to Angel Dust because Alastor treats Husk with respect even if he is his slave, but Valentino always rapes Angel Dust, even in his spare time. 😊
possible spoiler: if i read the right comic just before val blasts angel with a angelic 45c husk swoops down and saves angel with both them getting shot at as husk fly's off with Angel. if this make it to the show i think it will cement the husker dust ship.
I tink that husk gambels with Val for angels soul
When I watched the episode, yes the scene made me a bit uncomfortable, it's supposed to. But it's nowhere near as bad as what people were complaining about with the leaks. Context really does matter.
I agree, I thought from what people were complaining that it was a long uncomfortable thing but it wasn't. I was a bit uncomfortable but they didn't show it for long.
@@midnights2631 Exactly. So I get why Viv was so upset about people taking it wildly out of context
It's not as bad as the leaks were making it no
I saw many people who have survives SA say that they actually find the scene comfroting and quite well presenting. It is not exploititive nor is it fetishizing abuse, not to mention that Angel's experience was inspired by Viv's own so....
Like some people say, art is meant to make the disturbed the comforted and the comforted disturbed
This show and Helluva Boss are for adults and will cover topics/themes that aren't "safe". I find it ridiculous that people are already complaining about the content since the world doesn't revolve around anyone, especially you. If you don't like the topics, then don't watch it.
No one complained that Moxxie's grew up in the mafia and his dad killed his mom. Or when Fizz was being abused and exploited by Mammon (especially sexual exploitation). This is a *reality* for tons of people and it shouldn't be censored because some people don't like them.
I think the thing that is causing the controversy is that it’s sexual abuse, which is much harder to portray with respect and care, and it can easily be portrayed poorly, since it is such a heavy topic. Especially for a lot of people who have dealt with and are still dealing with similar abuse.
Ever heard of grown kid syndrome?
i think the themes of the episode are very effective and puts poison in a horrifying context, but there should have been a content warning at the beginning considering the context of the show beforehand was so light in comparrison
@@karachter they did at the start of the show, during the rating. Is just a lot of people don’t pay attention to that
Exactly. That's what I have been saying.
This episodes just make me realize why I love Angel has a character so much. He is so complex and has a lot of emotions, to he holds on. That a lot of his behavior is because of a possible chance to escape Valentino is so sad...😢 But I love the growing relationship between Husk and Angel. Kind of Soulmates. ❤ Also Husk being a former Overlord was a huge surprise!
Imma be honest with u fam angel ain’t that it’s sympathy act they’re trying to pull and ur falling for it u want a character who’s complex with sexual assault try beserk guts is the best example
@@WeebGuru6You saying angel ain't complex
@@tobsonasanya4765 yes he's a typical Tumblr gay stereotype with tRauMa whose being carried by his amazing voice actor. Not to mention he's an SA victim whose story is being handled with the care of a feral dog all while Viv hides the fact that a prominent member of her staff is into NC and ships Angel with his abuser. The simple fact of the matter is the emotional moments have not been earned and at this point it is absolutely a sympathy bait.
@@havicmaking such an oversimplification lol. He ain't a bad character. Also his story has been solid so far considering it has been 4 episodes in lol. Has his trauma being played for jokes in the show?? No
@@year7high711 I didn’t say he’s a bad character but he’s not some compelling complex character and certainly not unique. He might even be the best written one simply because much more talented writers have written his story before, so long as Viv follows the lines he’ll be just fine. My criticism about Viv as a showrunner still stands though. Oversimplification? The character is as shallow as your local inflatable pool and just fragile. Please tell me what I’m missing.
I hope he doesn't die. I actually want to see if it’s possible for him and even Husk to become free of their contracts because that just might be what keeps them from being redeemed.
People have also predicted that Stolas is also "gonna die." It's just here say, until we actually get concrete proof
@@Pastel_Dreamsdid viv say that 1 of the characters is gonna die in season 1 or further on?
@@mr-lemur No. It's just speculation from the fandom because of a line from "You will be Okay"
@@Pastel_Dreamsthere's been a few inherent hints as well. The flower at the end of western energy is an allegory for death.
@@Pastel_Dreams As for Angel it's because of the line "My story's gonna end with me dead from your poison"
First off, I hate how people keep calling this episode "controversial". Someone being abused the way Angel does extremely common, whether sex workers or housewives, the series at no point shows the relationship as a positive, they show the highs of the drugs and the lows of the abuse, and overall paints a picture of a person suffering while clinging to the few "positive" things that are still there, but at the same time, wanting a way out and being afraid or powerless to leave. This isn't "controversial", this is the kind of thing that deserves to be shown.
Another thing that was pointed out in this episode specifically was how people with power who disapprove of this kind of situation claim to be against it, but don't do anything to change it or do it the wrong way. How? Well, Vaggie pointing out that Charlie could use her authority to do something, because she is the fucking princess of Hell. Sure, in the show it's shown as Charlie being nice and not wanting to be mean to others, but I think this links to what I think will be Charlie's arc of learning that being nice in excess is not good, especially if you're not being more active.
We know how many celebrities and even political figures speak against X, Y and Z things that are bad, but when it comes to do something to help, they donate to charity or just try to speak for an unprivileged group they're not a part of and that ends up not being as helpful as it could be, and Charlie is sorta like that, making things worse by invading Valentino's set. I think Charlie will eventually learn to actually command some authority, either by breaking contracts (which I assume she has the power of doing) or just do the fun thing of using the potential angelical powers she got from her father to obliterate Valentino.
And husbands not just wives nor just house wives
@@demonic_myst4503 facts
@@demonic_myst4503 yep, I'm not a "husband" but an ex boyfriend of that experience.
There’s something to be said with victims of trauma ‘owning’ it to feel in control - Angel ‘owns’ his status as a sex icon, makes out like he’s loving the high life.
People really wanna silence people who go through these awful things by banning it from media is craaaazy.
I love how people find topics like this controversial when it's just plain reality for some people
Facts
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The controversy was mostly on the main animator/storyboard for the scene/song having a known non-con/r*pe k*nk (of who the first leak of the song came) Vizzi responding with "so hot" (not the exact words) and then when survivors of sa called out his participation and response she chose to double down. When a fan and sa survivor directly confronted her she minimised their experience and worry. This topic can be handled better with more respect for the victim in and outside the show, showing hypersexuality as an (unhealthy) coping mechanisms WITHOUT indulging in it and being sure it handling doesn't goes to open fetishist of sa, the material isn't exploited for merchandise, etc. The depiction of sexual violence itself wasn't the only topic being discussed by survivors . Yall really pathetic telling barely half of the story.
Eh some overexaggerate. The episode was still good right???@monogatari...
@@tobsonasanya4765 meh
I think people don't get Poison, They say if glorifies abuse but I take it as a song about the people in abusive relationships that stay in them even though they know they're abusive. Cause some people just don't know how to or want to break up
The biggest issue with poison is someone who worked on it. Vivzi hired someone who enjoys rape-play and often has desires of wanting to rape people. That's the issue. She hired someone to work on the video who enjoys this and has stated they would want to do it to people. That's the issue.
Ontop guys tend to be unable to get out as often no one wants to help or even admit the problem anywah
The lyrics literally said he was addicted to it at first and then became sick of it at the next chorus.
It reflects how victims of abuse will choose to stay because they see red flags through a rose tinted glass. But there are also victims who clearly see the red flags and want to leave but there are circumstances that make it impossible
I’m just going to say. In my opinion… Masquerade is the best episode currently by far! Mostly because it’s the first one to explore these topics and interesting stories with the first three episodes still being good but feeling more like character introductions. Also Poison and Loser, Baby are probably my favourite songs of the show so far
Agreed while i loved 3 and exsplorkng camillas mind 4 is great
I especially like the fourth because of how dark it is; it gets straight into everything and feels like an actual story
It's probably why they chose to release the first four at once. Masquerade is SO much stronger than 1-3, which were good but a little confusing for new viewers. This is what's going to entice viewers to stick around.
PCP, AKA Angel Dust: ‘A moderate amount of PCP often causes users to feel detached, distant and estranged from their surroundings’.
In other words, Angels favourite drug is one that makes him dissociate and numb, unable to feel the pain.
As a SA victim myself hearing anything about the situation with valentino and angeldust is a very touchy subject for me, as angeldust represents a lot of what comes with that kind of trauma, and does it well. Your analysis of the episode really puts comfort on being able to watch it, having already heard explanations, and not leaving room to wonder more. Thank you.
as sum1 who has also experienced “sa” i have my iffs on angel dust and the representation of sa in the show but for the most part there minor and the show does a regularly good job with showing and conveying such
Just know that you're loved and cared for and I'm so happy that you made it through all that pain. You're an amazing person and keep on thriving.🫂 I'm cheering Angel on, hoping he'll get out of his horrible situation.
Oh no I'm so sorry
it looks like angel was forced to do blow job
You are loved, you are cherished.
Remember that.
It's okay if the scene makes you uncomfortable. It's a disturbing topic, and that's what the disclaimer is there for. I think in the context of the video, it doesn't at all glorify what Angel is going through, and as upsetting as this can be, it is the reality for a lot of people, and I think it's an important discussion to have. It explores very important consent issues, like the fact that you can say yes, and still not truly be consenting because of a power dynamic that is being taken advantage of. I understand that people are upset with an animator having a non-consent fetish, but idk, it's kind of a weird take that someone should vet their employee's fetishes. I also don't personally think there is anything wrong with the fantasy of said fetishes, as long as there is consent involved. The minute you cross that boundary, it's a huge deal of course. But I really just don't think that particular take in the controversy has much of a leg to stand on. This was always going to be the story, regardless of who was animating it.
Keep in mind this is the only episode so far labeled as 18+. The rest of 16+. So dont complain when u literally have a warning guys
I really hope that you go over that husk was a overlord before selling his soul to Alastair. That was one of the most surprising things about the backstory’s about these characters
Yeah, my eyes literally widened when he dropped that tidbit!
I can't believe you skipped over Angel begging Val not to hurt Charlie.
I laughed soo hard at that like bro charlie WOULD DESTROY Val
@@sethisevilone02
Unless once you destroy someone, you'd destroy the souls that they own. So if she killed Val, Angel would die... Which i would be very upset if he'd only last 4 episodes 😅
Thank you!! I’ve been wondering about that! It’s obvious that Angel cares for the group he got himself at the hotel. He won’t admit but he definitely views them as family to an extent. He definitely feels caring for Charlie especially she’s the one she gave hope into him. It’s just trying to break from Val is important:/ even his actions at the hotel says he finds it as his safe place when Sir Pretentious failed being a spy.
@@sethisevilone02what would make you assume that Charlie has any kind of power that would allow her to beat him?
@@Mephora she is the princess of hell
She is just as powerful as lucifer
She can body even Alastair
Val is fucked why do you think he was acting soo nice to her
I liked episode 4 and the way it tackled the subject matter of SA since stuff like this happens to sex workers especially when they have pimps. Having this discussion is very important and showing how uncomfortable it makes the viewer shows how awful a situation it is of victims of the same abuse. So the ppl calling out Viv are ridiculous the episode already had a warning about the subject matter that would take place during the episode since it was 18+ instead of 16+ like the other 3 episodes. I’m invested in Angel’s story about breaking away from Valentino and bettering himself.
I think that the uncomfortable poison music sequence is amazing.
Not because it’s sexual or whatever, but because of just how absolutely disgusted I felt after watching that, since I rarely see scenes that are narratively supposed to disgust the viewer and actually succeed at it. Usually it just fails at making you uncomfortable and instead glorifies the disgusting uncomfortable garbage, but Poison nailed it.
I have the feeling Husk and the gang at the hotel will be on Angel side through and through the toughest times with that evil prick Valentino.
I feel like also Alastor might end up actually be evil (kinda as a subverting the expectations) and the hotel tries to free Husl from the contract that keeps Alastor in control of Him
I said it before when I saw Addict and I'll say it again. Angel's story is a commentary of a real life tragedy that is often ignored: abuse in the adult industry. There is a stigma that people involved in this kind of work are asking to be treated this horribly. The Poison sequence is so hard to watch as its hammering the reality of how human these people are and that kind of situation is just horrific. Angel was my favorite character when I first saw the pilot and still is.
Because of the controversy of the song poison, some people had to come out and speak out about it. An SA victim said that just because someone is a victim of an abuser, doesn't mean sex will always be non-con, sometimes the abuser will manipulate their victim to a point where they'll give consent willingly despite the real nature of the relationship. I think HH does an excellent job in portraying this other side of SA, one where the victim is actually hypersexual and will give consent willingly because of how deep the abuse goes. Many people will question and criticise SA victims if they aren't repulsed by sex or if they consented every now and then to the abuse they suffered. I hope more shows portray this consequence of SA as well.
As a victim of abuse, I can definitely say that sometimes you are put into positions where saying yes is your only option. Fear often overrides so much that I would do anything I had to just to keep my abusers at bay. I couldn't risk them getting angry or upset without consequence. It can make you feel like you have absolutely no control, and sometimes you don't. Hence why a lot of people, myself included, will turn to vices to at least provide some sense of something that can actually be controlled. It makes me feel horrible, yes, but I get to be in control of that pain, unlike everything else around me.
@@emmitloguidice7456 I’m so sorry you’ve been through that, I hope you are able to heal completely. If you don’t mind, based on your experience, you think the episode handled the topic correctly? Did it represent it the way it should?
If you have to be manipulated into consenting, it's not consent
@@crypt5129 I mean that at some point the abuser messes up with you so badly that sometimes you'll willingly give consent because they were acting lovingly in that moment, it's a very horrible situation to be trapped in
@@a7u16t9 I'd argue that's not really willingly giving consent, but it really depends on the specific situation ig, bad either way
We saw just a glimpse of Charlie going full demon in that episode, and I have to assume that as Lucifer's daughter she's actually really powerful, just too kind hearted to really let it out. I hope so see more of that aspect of her, and I really hope she's able to save Angel in the end.
She needs to let it out. Letting her so-called friend be treated like that is unacceptable.
I really appreciate you guys always releasing so much quality content! And I really hope angel doesn’t die. Episode 4 was amazing! Had me feeling reeeal sad, and that Husker and him song is awesommeeee!
I think it's also interesting in that it reflects the p*rn industry and how consent in the extreme sado masochistic genre can be disregarded in the name of creating content. Not all industries, but definitely some feed on the dynamic of force, pain, and anguish.
To anyone mad at the contents of this episode
#1 don't sit there clutching your pearls like we haven't seen worse, you're just wanting a reason to attack the show and or Viv
#2 they gave a warning before every episode so they did their due diligence
,#3 we KNEW THIS WAS COMING from the very begginng this show is an adult show always Has been always will be despite it being animated .
#4 and last the most important the world doesn't revolve around you if you're triggered by the content you need to deal with that mess yourself a tv show shouldn't coddle your trauma bffr.
@@Adam-326 thanks !
Yeah.! It was so good that I came to it...@@moistsquish
5) ITS hell, i know its fiction so it can be changed BUT it is meant to be hell, it is were horrible people go and horrible things happen and im not saying its okay yet i am saying its expected to be there.
@@sierralovat5498the pearl clutchers think all animation is for kids
@@sierralovat5498YES! Like how come no one talks about the blatant glorification of sa in game of thrones but criticize this episode where is actually handled in a more tasteful way imo. I actually despite GOT mostly because of it btw, yet I found this episode amazing.
The scenes were great and SHOULDN'T be shy'd away from. It's important to show shitty things, they aren't good, but are important to see. People are clutching their pearls at seeing more explicit content in A ADULT animated series. Content like this should be seen, and there is no fetishization.
I have a theory that Alastor has some sort of connection with Lilith’s disappearance, considering how she disappeared about seven years ago, and Vox claimed that Alastor was gone for the same amount of time. I don’t have a lot of evidence to support this theory, but I think the timing has to mean something of sorts. I have no clue what sort of tie ins it could have but I have a feeling the timing isn’t a coincidence.
I find it crazy how this episode is controversial when legit people are going through this every day. it's only controversial because it brings reality to the things people would rather turn a blind eye too.
@@CherryHotSauceit did stand 18+ while the other episodes has 16+ and it’s not like most people didn’t know something like this would happen in the show
And even worse, as many people feel sorry for Angel Dust here, in the mainstream a lot of people DON'T feel sorry for people being mistreated the exact same way.
There's actually another EXTREMELY obvious way that could be the result of Val killing Angel when taking the "Angel trying to destroy himself" line into account, and it comes from episode 2, when Vox convinces Val not to go to the hotel, adding that they can just bring one of the lowest earners for him to shoot instead. Angel being worthless to Val means that he becomes the next lowest earner to shoot when Val's upset, and so there really is no way to escape unless they find a way to break that contract.
And, considering we know that Overlords can trade souls in games, perhaps this means we could see a challenge between Charlie or Allister against Val for the rights the souls of the other (in the case of Charlie, putting her OWN soul on the line). Either that or they simply get Charlie/Lucifer to use some authority/money to BUY the contract.
As someone who is an SA survivor and has worked in the sex industry, I feel like Angel's character is an important form of representation in media.
Hypersexuality is rarely ever shown and the self-sexualization that results from that abuse is rarely ever seen or talked about.
BUT what frustrates me personally from all of this is how people who have an SA f*tish are getting a lot of shame and harassment. Many people such as myself who enjoy this type of roleplay, do not want or are inviting getting SAed and many use it as a way to gain power over a powerless situation. When you can go into it consensually and fall into that dynamic with trust it helps make the memories of that less horrible and helps to rebuild trust in others intimately.
But more than that I don't think people understand how complex the emotions of being SAed actually are. How you can mutually hate it and enjoy it while feeling shame for feeling BOTH.
I think it's so important to allow people to explore these feelings without shame, to have safe ways to talk about these feelings, and to explore them with trust and vulnerability. Through art, BDSM or though whatever other way works, shaming people for liking something just furthers abuse by silencing people and their own forms of self-exploration.
We all deserve to like and explore the dark parts of ourselves and have those parts loved unconditionally.
True. As someone who's watched BDSM stuff before, the animators really didn't hold back with the imagery because it made me go "hold on, this isn't right".
They did a good job by showing the difference of BDSM and abuse. If one doesn't enjoy it or doesn't enthusiastically consent to it, it's sexual abuse
Can you make a video talking about some of the Overlords in episode 3, or maybe a video about what was revealed about Husk in episode 4?
Episode 4 made me feel everything angel was feeling and at the end of poison hearing him sound like he was gonna cry made me cry
I loved how Charlie got pissed at val and hope she does help angel out of it and i do know if val hurts Charlie her dad will kill val
@@Comet346 I would have love too see as I doubt val would try anything to her but if he did lucifer would not be happy
@@Comet346perhaps angel dust is stuck with him so if Val gets hurt or gets killed does that mean she feels the same pain if he's ever attacked or she attacks him just so she can't fight back that would make sense why she didn't let Charlie brutally murder him.
@@Comet346yeah I mean you saw the way she got angry when she saw Val throw Angel. Also it’s amazing how Val is insulting the princess of hell but probably doesn’t not know that she will literally kill his porn butt!
I also liked how Angel even when he was getting assaulted told Valentino not to hurt “her” referring to Charlie Even though Charlie IS more powerful, just shows you who he really is. I love how you can see how BOTH care about one another
It's pretty weird, because Val literally doesn't blink. He doesn't make the slightest movement when Charlie faces him, as if he really has absolutely no respect for her. This makes me think that perhaps with the new focus of the series, Lucifer and his family do not have as much power as is supposedly implied and it is more of a formal/political power. Or Lucifer simply doesn't care what happens, differentiating himself from God in that. It gives them absolute freedom to massacre each other, or have heaven massacre them.
I won't lie, this episode was REALLY hard to watch. But I think Angel handling this on his own, with Husk to talk to was a more effective outcome than simply Charlie bailing him out. And that duet they had at the end was very good!
Angel Dust as a character personally means so much to me. Ive been in his place before and after years of garbage realized im aroace. The response to beung hurt doesn't always equal immediate avoidance and you can be avodiant and hyper at the same time. Healing isnt pretty. It can be ugly and beautiful and it's human. Dont let puritans make any of you feel dirty or used. You are so seen and cared for.
Ep 4 was really uncomfortable for me to watch, but i did it, and it's by far one of the best episodes so far! It also made me cry because i relate to angel in the form or being SAd at one point in my life, it was never as bad as angels but there was a few times where it almost got that bad. This episode made me feel like i could really emphasize and relate to angel in some way.
I also remember watching the poison mv and being like "wow this is really good" not really grasping what it was about until i watched ep4 and i almost cried once more context was given to it.
I hope there will be something like Fizzarolli's 'f you' moment from Angel to Val where he standing up for himself with help from his friends and get his soul back, or him outsmarting Val and breaking free idk
I found the scene with angel and Val really sad and uncomfortable but it was so well written cause Val doesn't have a monstrous voice he sounds like a normal human which is scary but its so good
Quick question: how exactly do contracts work? It’s implied the contracted soul has to obey the one who owns them, but if that’s the case, why didn’t Valentino just force Angel to spy on the hotel in episode 2? I’m just a little confused.
Maybe his contract can only make angle do specified things, if it's anything he wants to the letter he'd have a run of the mill mindless slave, which is impossible to have run by itself or store knowledge of a craft, by having angle just perform 1 general service in his contract he can make a very pure craft of explicit material, which is what he's a specialist in directing, valentino hadn't the need before to spy so wouldn't put it in as he wouldn't care
Well, it’s like what Val said Angel wasn’t returning his calls
Can we talk really quick about how there's hints in this episode that Charlie is right about there being good in Angle? When trying to appease Valentino, Angel begs for Val to leave Charlie alone, saying "She gets involved.... Please don't hurt her." Angel, while terrified of Val, still begged for her well-being.
Angel sees Charlie as a friend, at least enough to put himself on the line to try to make sure Val doesn't hurt her too. It shows that while Charlie is naive and uneducated in how to help the sinners, she isbgood at picking out people who have good in them.
Speaking of episode 4 could Charlie not Break contracts, we are told she's powerful but never see any of her powers used. Couldn't she do everything alastor is for the hotel and much more
If it were that easy then there wouldn't be any conflict, there have to be limits. I'm betting the world is structured in such a way that even Lucifer himself can't just go around breaking contracts.
I have a theory that Lucifer is not involved in anything that happens. In theory he is expelled from heaven for facing the tyranny of God, so it is most likely that he allows everything. Let sinners do what they want (unlike God, he does not go where he is not called).
So the overlords with their contracts are the ones really in charge
@@stevenhiggins3055 well maybe he can break the contracts, just doesn't do it
WHY EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS SERIES HAS TO HAVE ""CONTROVERSY"" ATTACHED TO IT?? AAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Vivzie has a large and dedicated hatedom that will jump on any little thing and champion it as the reason Vivzie is the worst person that has ever lived.
Because twaxxer.
@@milanmarkovic2721 Calling twitter users twaxxers from now on thank you
Not only do I love shows like hazbin hotel and helluva boss for their chaotic and adult nature, but for the fact that they touch on very uncomfortable, disturbing, yet all too real/true situations that other shows are afraid to reference about
It honestly should make people uncomfortable. It's addressing something horrifying and painting it to be less only does a disservice to victims by making it seem not as bad to the average person. I have been through some things where it wasn't forced and bullying but let's say the stress from the situation caused my periods to quit completely for months on.
Angel decided to crash at Hazbin Hotel not for the free housing but because it truly is a safe place.
I was in an abusive relationship, which I won't go into detail of, but people should not be angry at angel dust over how he deals with sa. I personally have different ways of coping, but I can understand why angel dust acts how he does and I actually cried during the 4th episode. Anyways, some critics need to understand this is a sensitive topic and that the majority of survivors who saw it think it was represented well.
This comment right here. When I see angel i see who I was .. and how awful my life was even when I was hypersexual and clingy. The addiction to it is so real . Sometimes even craved it after it was over due to familiarity.. I’m glad to have seen this show.
@@rose_budz3960 I agree, and like how even if we know it's not healthy and it's killing us we also don't want to be alone
For me, I knew that this would touch something like this and I had to act calm. The thing that caught me off guard was the slap. I felt so scared for Angel and wanted to run and shield him from the hurt and paint Valentino did to him. Yes, the episode made me feel uncomfortable, but I know that people went through all that pain. For those who survived such trauma, you're amazing people and don't stop living and thriving. You're loved and cared by people who are right by your side. Husk, in the final part of the episode, feels like a support line for Angel since he was acting empathetic in Loser, Baby, and he wants him to know that he'll be there to understand what's going on. Angel isn't alone, and I'm cheering for him to thrive and survive. I hope he can make it because he went through so much pain.
The 'poison' in the song Poison may also refer to the emotional abuse. The lies Valentino tells Angel Dust and the way that Angel is being changed and his willpower to fight back is whittled away
I hope Charlie can buy Angel's soul and give it back to him.
I was thinking that instead of foreshadowing Angel dying, the line "My story's gonna end with me dead from your poison" might have been Angel reflecting on how he died on Earth (believed to be a drug overdose). The line might represent him thinking, "I died in the real world because of a drug overdose. If I keep pursuing this addiction, even if I can't die here in hell from it, I will lose so much of myself in the process that I won't be 'alive' anymore." I think the intended meaning of the line refers to a figurative death rather than a literal one because the song is overall focused on how Angel's actions affect him mentally.
I loved the scene when Valentino was just like "I'm not afraid of little miss goody two shoes" and Angel stepped in when Charlie was about to get mad. And I'm like, "Didn't you see her transform? Angel just saved YOUR butt, dude!"
I don't know if it's because the Overlords underestimate Lucifer, or they underestimate Charlie, but her naturally nice personality is the only thing holding her back. What might make her lose control is the death of someone she cares about...
in a way he also saved charlie in that scene. if the theory that she is powerful due to her bloodline then she probably could kill Val, but killing him would also haunt her. Charlie is a gentle soul and i think murdering anyone, even Val, would mess with her head.
The happiest ending I see for Angel is them scamming, gambling for, or "trading" something for Angel's soul and him being owned by someone else potentially Alastor Charlie or Husk, maybe even a happy ending where a chain reaction amongst the main cast has Alastor do a kind thing and let Husk go and have his power fully back, and Him winning or bargaining for Angel's soul and just, letting him go free because he's been there. That's about the only positive way out I see for him though a transfer of his soul to someone who treats him better like Charlie or Husk, or even Alastor if he comes to genuinely care for the others by the end just being like " you're already here basically doing what I want you to anyway so find a way to actually help us out around here and aside of that do whatever I guess" really depends on how the story goes I guess I hope we are able to get a happy ending for Angel anyway
love that people are watching an adult show about heavy topics and are getting mad about the heavy topics
I don't care what people say they need to be grateful that we finally get to see more stuff about angel dust to see his true Origins his past review and what his life was
I was so mad at Valentino in this episode. This shows how much even though it’s fictional you really get attached to the characters. As well as how the scenes where Angel Dust was forced by Valentino, this broke me.
I wasn’t mad at him at all because they made him into a joke episode two so I don’t take him seriously
@@SouphoverI think the reason they made Val like that in ep 2 was because he was viewed from Vox’s perspective. Even if they are both egotistical and condescending to each other, they respect and maybe are comfortable enough to act relaxed and a bit dumb around each other.
Angel doesn’t have that with Val. Angel is afraid of Val BECAUSE Val doesn’t have a lick of care or respect for Angel, since he only sees him as property or a pet.
@@cuteandcreepy1456 I hope your right
when he perverted licks Charlie Arm is what Triggered me.
Maybe we've become so used to bad story structure in animated shows, we're now too quick to judge when we see something that's actually good? All I know is that I really enjoyed Husk and Angel's shared song in Episode 4. Super catchy! 😻
Calling it now Husk gambles for Angel's soul
Dude that's what I've been saying!!!!
Had the exact same thought.
Dude, episode 4 is the best episode of the series. Yes, it’s uncomfortable, that’s the point. Skip it if you don’t wanna see it, but there are some people who love it and it makes them feel seen, etc. Episode 4 is arguably the best episode.
I highly doubt Angel is gonna die. Mainly because if that happened, bad things would unfortunately happen in real life. By crazy fans.
Viv hasn’t given any hints that Angel is gonna die
@@sailorstar3148 actually yes and no in the song poison he say he is gonna end up de@th by Valentino and in one episode (2 I think) when Valentino learn that angel is at the hotel he take Guns and vox stop him so he would totally be able to k!ll angel
@@bunny_1102 I think that line was metaphorical not literal just like the title of the episode masquerade.
@@sailorstar3148 yeah maybe but still and there is no way not at least one person of the main cast is gonna die
alos val would lose money
I suffer with an eating disorder and when i watched this episode it made me realise how similar it is to having a toxic relationship and many of the lyrics of poison relate to that voice telling you lies and that you're nothing without it.
The way I see it, it'll only go one of three ways ways; Angel dies, Valentino dies, or they BOTH die.
I deeply enjoyed everything so far. Also cute editor in the back
Valentino having Angel’s soul definitely makes the stakes much higher and I hope he doesn’t die by the end of the show.😢😢😢
I love that Husk validates Angel’s feelings in “Loser, Baby” and lets him know that he’s not alone in this situation/understands what it’s like.❤❤❤
I honestly enjoyed ep 4 despite it making me feel uncomfortable at times. But of course, that was the intention for the episode anyway. It showed some of the horrible things that Angel had to go through that some people in the sex industry in actual reality have had to deal with. This episode honestly made me enjoy the character of Angel a lot more because he felt so humanized. All he wants is to leave his situation but can’t because of Valentino’s control over him, making him feel absolutely trapped no matter what he does. And that makes me want to root for him and see him break free of the chains he’s tied to in this episode
13:20 - I don't think possessing a soul grants you the power to summon the original soul's owner, it seems like it's Alastor Vodoo. If Valentino had that power, the messages between him and Angel, trying to convince him to come to the studio, or simply Angel having the need to walk there after the phone call, would make no sense.
In a lot of media, especially the more surface/well known stuff, s 3x workers end up dying. Their story is often a tragedy, showing their abuse and usually ending with death. Not in finding ways to cope, to be themselves, to control their own life again... sad stories with bad endings. And it's a negative trope.
I really, really, _really_ hope that Angeldust doesn't die. I'm never expecting a happy raindows and unicorns ending in this show, heck with what's been established even with the most positive outcome Angeldust is already terribly traumatized. But I just hope he lives, and has an okay ending.
I do appreciate that so far it seems to deal with the topic well. But that's from an outsider perspective.
wdym with 3 workers will die? u mean the hotel charaters? ( sry im a bit dumb )
The one thing that sets a contract for the soul is they need their names from when they were born to make it official Angel's real name being Anthony
I think a lot of people have noticed this but Angel’s name is Anthony as it’s the name on the contract
I truly believe Husk is going to be his guardian angel cause Angel now has someone he can look up too, who actually cares for his safety
ant then husk die while trying to protect angel dust
TV writing 101. It only makes sense to kill off the character that people are attached to the most.
I wonder why no one is talking about Angel Dust’s real name being Anthony?
Cause most people knew that already
@@pescuezoee when was it revealed? I honestly didn't know until watching the episode
@jamesriley2594 Pretty sure Viv had confirmed it before.
@@shadowspringtrap3122 I’ve never watched the streams so some info that isn’t spread around enough is not on my radar most of the time by the way his name means Priceless one, Praiseworthy, and Flourishing and I find that somewhat fitting if I think about it and boy his mother must have had high hopes for him
I think that Angel will get out of his contract. During Angel's and Husker's song, we see them bound up. Husker's bond is tight and even with no hope of escape, as is expected with a deal with Alastor. Angel's bond is more haphazard, possibly suggesting that his contract with Val is not as airtight as we are led to believe.
I just watched ep 4 and husk is now one of my 2 favourite characters
It’s so disgusting that people online wherever you go still make excuses on how Valentino is not so bad or basically “simp” for him, brushing off his immoral actions and causes. Some even “ship” this toxic relationship (not romantic mind you) and make fanart or content about it. Someone even on pinterest wrote “my fav r❤️” on a fanart of him. That’s so off and these people don’t know the pain such individuals go through in real life, or now in the show to represent those realities of highs and lows of drugs.
from what I understand a lot of those people HAVE been through something similar and through cartoon characters like Valentino they are able to more safely explore their trauma.
@@CartoonUniverse I heard of that before yes. It’s sad and they do often comment having been with someone who was like Val? Through shipping these toxic relationships they try to relate to it and ofc that makes them feel seen at first which is a point of the show sometimes but after that they need appropriate understanding and support from outside. Whoever went through those experiences, please get help.
Fans find Valentino exploiting Angel controversial but when Alastor does the same to Husk nobody seems to care.
Even if he died, unless he is killed with an angelic weapon, he would simply respawn after a time.
I thought episode four was fantastic and, probably my favorite so far.
Angel singing poison is currently my favorite scene from Hazbin hotel. Incredibly unsettling but it gives you true emotions. Didn't expect something so strong from this series!
Angel should ask for a miracle before he jumps into another vice or before Valentino can kill him with a poisonous sniper gun that's actually angelically blessed.
I love your new background it’s like your in the Lust Ring.
I know that if they kill angel I'm probably not gonna be able to stomach watching anymore. Angel means a lot to me, he was the first character that I connected to like I'm sure others did from their trauma, and seeing him die, whether as a conclusion to his story or not, is going to utterly destroy me. 😭
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Honestly it made me love Angel more. The raw topic is something you don't see and I have some traumas myself and it felt good to have some of those emotions show in him. It's hard to deal this and survive these things a lot of people don't understand and get upset. It is a story being shared. I have a lot of respect and love that they show very a little of what some people have gone/still going through.
okay, now i really see similaritys bettwen Valentino and Angle, and Mammon and Fizzorelli.
Yeah, but Fizzarolli actually has nothing similar in behavior with Mammon when Angel does with Val. Fizzarolli doesn't care about money and doesn't use anyone for his benefit. What can you say about Val and Angel. They even have very similar accent and not only it. Aggressive behavior, sexualization of many things, Angel even feels Val. He knows how bad he can be and makes sure that nothing will happen to do him more aggressive. Even in the 2nd episode Angel didn't answer him that was literally correct for him. Val needs that time to calm down. Unfortunately Val doesn't know Angel at all. Only thing he knows about him is how to manipulate him, nothing else, he doesn't know how he'll behave next time. What about the most similar thing I found is that they both have gold tooth, I know it's not that rarity but I still didn't see anyone in episodes that has it too.
I wonder if Charlie or another overlord could buy angels soul from Val?
i love the show so far. both of them helluva boss and hazbin hotel! the emotional story telling is something i find laking in most modern and even older shows and it is nice to see these experinces shared and talked about in this medium. i have suh a huge amount of respect for the writters and creators of these two shows and i can't wait to see more of both!
To quote Duckman. "Comedy should leave you different than it found you. Demand to be challenged, demand to be offended, demand to be treated like thinking, reasoning adults."
Honestly controversies and cancel culture getting kinda annoying nowadays.
Yea thats a heavy topic but newsflash, the world isnt just a nice place.
Its build on blood, horror and exploid.
Its fine if you cant handle that, it really is.
Its also not bad to be a little on the "little snowflake" kinda side.
But the truth is, its a you problem.
You cant handle it? Then dont watch it.
Are you using the term snowflake ironically or not, genuinely can't tell
When you say that angel is gonna “die” but we don’t know if it’s gonna really happen but it’s sad to think about it really
Episode 4 hit me across the face with a baseball bat named trauma.
It was an actual look at what hell is like. The hotel is like this perfect little bubble where everything is sweet and bubbly and a huge place filled with no expectations.
Seeing Valentino like that...and the poison scene was really heavy and l get why people would be shocked or uncomfortable but the hate is just stupid.
Just media? I AM THE REAL ANGEL DUST, We'll just have to see how this life goes is all
I think if husk and angel want to be free the overlords would either have to either die or give up souls willingly and while I think it would be easy if alastor kills Valentino.
Val will likely be killed by angels future boyfriend
Yeah but lest be honested does Alastor even care about angel? And he doesn't take the V's seriously so he doesn't see a point in wasting his time on them
@@gourley_85 Even if he's confident that the V's are insignificant, he's intelligent enough to know that Vox can't stand on his own without the alliance of him, Valentino and Velvette, which he mentions in the second episode. If Alastor really sought an end to Vox after he'd outlived his value as entertainment or if he became an imposing threat with the others, he'd likely achieve it through toppling the V's as a group, and subsequently in ending Valentino could free Angel Dust.
That being said, Alastor probably wouldn't mean to end Valentino for that reason, moreso Angel being free would be a side effect.
@SperoLucem okay, that's actually perfect answer your completely right
11:26 That plus they made Mammon a role that has fun with how evil he is, while Valentino's villainy is MUCH darker and WAY more serious.
In a lot of ways, Valentino and Asmodeus are foils to one another. Ozzie is the literal Lord of Lust, but he doesn't believe in forcing himself upon others the way Val does. I guess when you think about it, every virtue and sin have both their positive and negative aspects. And the characters of the Helliverse serve as a way to explore all those complex nuances. 😘
Does anyone else wanna see Charlie absolutely take down Val? Like even as a non canon event I wanna see this princess throw down.
But this is a great video episode 4 was crazy and emotional
I like how in both shows Vivzipop has hired iconic villains like jafaar,beetlejuice,dr facilia/the shadow man and the guy from twd show
But also when I hear important characters voices I hear popular characters too. Charlie sounding like repunzel from the cartoon series,vox like the new Donatello from tmnt,and when velvet sings all I heard was the girl that sings “get down” from the 6 queens musical. Also when I think about it… vaggie also gives off Cassandra vibes who is also from the repunzel cartoon and gets shipped with repunzel a lot
it rlly bothered me that people are having an issue with this episode and calling it "romanticization of abuse." its showing the complex contradicting emotions/thoughts that so many victims themselves struggle with. sigh i relate to angel too much
I love it when ppl put spoilers in the goddamn title
I expected to be uncomfortable by the Poison scene when the song was released. They DEF delivered, it was more graphic than I expected. But none of the content was surprising, we've known Angel's circumstances since at least Addicts release.
All that said, I REALLY hope that Poison wasn't foreshadowing Angel's death. I expect he's gonna go through so real traumatic ish in this show, but I hope to lucifer its all in service of him breaking free from Val, maybe with help from the hotel fam
Angel Deserves justice
Can u talk about Vaggie and her possible military background???
I know this is probably to "happily ever after" for a story like HH, but what if Charlie, or at least her father, has the power to save Angel by taking back his soul or force Val to give them his soul to get out of some kind of punishment or something and it eventually goes to Charlie, and Charlie being Charlie and Angel being Angel, he assumes she's going to use it to force him to find redemption, but she just gives it back to him, saying he needs to make that choice on his own? I can see that being that sad moment where everything seems like it's over but that one little flicker of hope changes everything.