Ross, since you have the pan off, just drop one of the bearing caps, that will give you a sign of if any damage has been done to the crank or rods. Check the rod first, it's definite you're going to need a new pump. Odds are, just a broken pin on the shaft. I get your point but, at least you'll have a better idea of what's going on with the engine. Besides, these kind of projects, they're winter projects for a reason. Sad news, possibly, I look at it as, more of something to do to keep myself occupied. LOL I do feel your pain though. Great video, cheers :)
You have spent so much time trying to make this tractor serviceable. I did not see this video when it first came out for some reason. Oil pumps can be a real pain in the Knudsen. Getting the pump out of my 235 was easy by comparison but anytime you are working over your head on your back, life is difficult. For the longest time I have thought that you should go to Rural King and get a canvas drop cloth -- they do not cost much for a small one. If you put a drop cloth down underneath where you will be working, it helps when bolts, nuts, washers and other small parts get lost on the ground. I started using a drop cloth when I was replacing the brake lines underneath my '55 Chevy and they are a god-send. I meant to suggest this when we were at the fair together but it slipped my mind. I thought of so many things I wanted to ask you about on the way home --- particularly that fancy 5100 planter. Oh well, there is always next year -- and yes, I do plan on coming up there again next year. It is a nice drive and hopefully I will have my beater back on the road by then!
That was definitely sad. I believe it is able to be saved and worth the time, effort, and money. It is after all a special peace of history. You know much better than I what it's worth. I still am grateful for the video, even though it was sadness. I'm glad you caught it hopefully before it was trashed. See you soon in the next one.
What an adventure...another item added to the list of "must do" items to achieve a functional tractor. Will be a good off season project that you can tinker with and periodically walk away from when frustration sets in.
I like your oil pump plan. Now while it’s upside down I would probably throw a set of bearings in it as I would think it they aren’t to much money. Now if they are pricey then yeah oil pump a give er.
That is really an unfortunate turn of events Ross. I wonder if when you split the tractor to replace the clutch you may be able to do more investigating the damage done . Hopefully just the oil pump needs replacing. Thanks again Ross I do feel your pain when things go so sideways as I have thoroughly enjoyed your Fiat tractor work and I agree with you likely one of the best types mof utility tractors ever built.
In all lives some rain must fall. Sometimes we wonder why the rain in our lives is a whole monsoon season. You need to make a pressure oiler that you connect to the oil galley to pressure up the engine before you start it for the first time. Also, break down, clear a space in one of your buildings, and pour a concrete pad so you can split tractors more easily. A little labor, 4-5 yards of concrete and you would be golden. And now that you are an expert at G-rib metal, you could close in the sides and make a simple door. OH, did I describe a shop?
Remember A lot of the Oliver and Allis 5040 were build by UTB as well as the long tractor they were build by the fiat design. So the color red could be UTB on the 1355
Well these tractors are a trip and I don't think any of them are wired the same. But a beleave all the sheet metal is the same but the nose cone, I am trying to rewire mine but the new harness from Greece is suppose to be a match but isn't I have the 445 any clues on wiring codes would be helpful
Ross, looking at the evidence do you think the oil filter was removed at one time allowing water ingress to the pump. I say that because the trash in the pump is on the pressure side, and remember that when you had the oil filter off you had to clean the rust from the oil filter base before installing the new filter. The oil flows directly from the pump to the filter base, and then is distributed to the engine. Remove the balancer while you have the pan off and check it out. Balancer bearings are usually the first thing to fail when oil pressure is lost because the balancer runs at twice the speed of the crankshaft. The balancer bearings are pressed in bushings with a hole to align with the oil passage, and when starved for oil the bushings get hot and turn in the housing closing off the oil passage. With the cast pan removed it would be easy to check the rod and main bearings as well, and replace as needed. Hang in there, the sadness will pass!
One other thought. If you have a cooling system pressure tester add 15 lbs. pressure to the system and see if you have internal leaks prior to removing the engine from the tractor. The milky oil is a concern. If you don’t have a pressure tester you can rent one at an auto parts store! Won’t cost you anything if you take it back.
Well like I said a few vids ago I was fearful of the sadness lurking. At least you have a repairable engine 🫰 unlike the other one. With ALL the money and your time she'll be perfect!
That is sad, sad news. If the oil pump is the only thing wrong with it, clutch, and some miscellaneous parts you still could have a good working tractor. That you will know is right. You have come a long way with it so far. Good luck.
Sorry to see the bad luck Ross, I wouldn't think that the shaft would break or shear the pin after getting it running, looking at that pump housing it sure don't look like the gears were spinning in there at least from what could be seen from here. One would think that if they corroded to the point that they left impressions in the housing if they were to break free after there would be evidence of them spinning.
Hopefully you don't have engine damage beyond the oil pump 🤞. I have no experience with the Fiat Olivers but after watching your videos I'm getting the itch. They do look like a handy tractor. My favorite is still the row crops though.
Do you think the Tractor was flooded 🤔 that tractor is like a onion many layers of sadness with meat balls . But it's with the man that can .....more spannering needed, thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations 👍💨💨
Next thing to check before going any further, check the bearings for damage from running without oil. Then decide from there. Still don't explain the moisture in the oil. In for a penny, in for a pound!
My scenario. Engine lost oil pressure they pulled the pan and thought it needed bearings .So they pulled the head to put rings and bearings in it then the old man passed and no one else knew .SEE
Look at it this way Ross.... at least she dont have the other engine trouble with the thrust bearing from hell....hmmmm some days you cant win at losing.....
Ross, since you have the pan off, just drop one of the bearing caps, that will give you a sign of if any damage has been done to the crank or rods. Check the rod first, it's definite you're going to need a new pump. Odds are, just a broken pin on the shaft. I get your point but, at least you'll have a better idea of what's going on with the engine. Besides, these kind of projects, they're winter projects for a reason.
Sad news, possibly, I look at it as, more of something to do to keep myself occupied. LOL I do feel your pain though. Great video, cheers :)
Bummer for sure. Unfortunately your trials and sadness does make for a good video. Keep on keeping on and I’ll be watching.
You have spent so much time trying to make this tractor serviceable. I did not see this video when it first came out for some reason. Oil pumps can be a real pain in the Knudsen. Getting the pump out of my 235 was easy by comparison but anytime you are working over your head on your back, life is difficult. For the longest time I have thought that you should go to Rural King and get a canvas drop cloth -- they do not cost much for a small one. If you put a drop cloth down underneath where you will be working, it helps when bolts, nuts, washers and other small parts get lost on the ground. I started using a drop cloth when I was replacing the brake lines underneath my '55 Chevy and they are a god-send. I meant to suggest this when we were at the fair together but it slipped my mind. I thought of so many things I wanted to ask you about on the way home --- particularly that fancy 5100 planter. Oh well, there is always next year -- and yes, I do plan on coming up there again next year. It is a nice drive and hopefully I will have my beater back on the road by then!
Tough break, sorry to see this. Im praying you'll come up with a plan and solution and save it.
Sorry to hear the news Ross!! Hopefully you will find a path forward with it, and it proves successful!
Sadness all around, cool video
Very much enjoy your videos
That was definitely sad. I believe it is able to be saved and worth the time, effort, and money. It is after all a special peace of history. You know much better than I what it's worth. I still am grateful for the video, even though it was sadness. I'm glad you caught it hopefully before it was trashed. See you soon in the next one.
What an adventure...another item added to the list of "must do" items to achieve a functional tractor. Will be a good off season project that you can tinker with and periodically walk away from when frustration sets in.
Wow, Ross that is sadness😢😢 thanks Michael
I like your oil pump plan. Now while it’s upside down I would probably throw a set of bearings in it as I would think it they aren’t to much money. Now if they are pricey then yeah oil pump a give er.
That is really an unfortunate turn of events Ross. I wonder if when you split the tractor to replace the clutch you may be able to do more investigating the damage done . Hopefully just the oil pump needs replacing. Thanks again Ross I do feel your pain when things go so sideways as I have thoroughly enjoyed your Fiat tractor work and I agree with you likely one of the best types mof utility tractors ever built.
Excellent video again more sadness
In all lives some rain must fall. Sometimes we wonder why the rain in our lives is a whole monsoon season. You need to make a pressure oiler that you connect to the oil galley to pressure up the engine before you start it for the first time. Also, break down, clear a space in one of your buildings, and pour a concrete pad so you can split tractors more easily. A little labor, 4-5 yards of concrete and you would be golden. And now that you are an expert at G-rib metal, you could close in the sides and make a simple door. OH, did I describe a shop?
Remember A lot of the Oliver and Allis 5040 were build by UTB as well as the long tractor they were build by the fiat design. So the color red could be UTB on the 1355
Yes, the Allis Chalmers were built in Romania later on. This tractor is a true Fiat built in Italy. It is red because of the heritage paint.
Well these tractors are a trip and I don't think any of them are wired the same. But a beleave all the sheet metal is the same but the nose cone, I am trying to rewire mine but the new harness from Greece is suppose to be a match but isn't I have the 445 any clues on wiring codes would be helpful
Ross, looking at the evidence do you think the oil filter was removed at one time allowing water ingress to the pump. I say that because the trash in the pump is on the pressure side, and remember that when you had the oil filter off you had to clean the rust from the oil filter base before installing the new filter. The oil flows directly from the pump to the filter base, and then is distributed to the engine.
Remove the balancer while you have the pan off and check it out. Balancer bearings are usually the first thing to fail when oil pressure is lost because the balancer runs at twice the speed of the crankshaft. The balancer bearings are pressed in bushings with a hole to align with the oil passage, and when starved for oil the bushings get hot and turn in the housing closing off the oil passage.
With the cast pan removed it would be easy to check the rod and main bearings as well, and replace as needed.
Hang in there, the sadness will pass!
Here is your problem, for sure. Put in a new pump, check balancer bushings, check a rod cap. Then decide what direction to go.
One other thought. If you have a cooling system pressure tester add 15 lbs. pressure to the system and see if you have internal leaks prior to removing the engine from the tractor. The milky oil is a concern.
If you don’t have a pressure tester you can rent one at an auto parts store! Won’t cost you anything if you take it back.
Well reckon we gonna get more content on this ole girl 😊
Just remember if it wasn't for bad luck you'd have no luck at all that always makes me feel more better
Sad news Ross, hopefully you can get the little guy going again.
Well like I said a few vids ago I was fearful of the sadness lurking. At least you have a repairable engine 🫰 unlike the other one. With ALL the money and your time she'll be perfect!
great video Ross
great video
That is sad, sad news. If the oil pump is the only thing wrong with it, clutch, and some miscellaneous parts you still could have a good working tractor. That you will know is right. You have come a long way with it so far. Good luck.
I used to have a set of those sockets back when I still worked as a wrench. They were handy as pockets on a shirt but expensive.😮😮
Sorry to see the bad luck Ross, I wouldn't think that the shaft would break or shear the pin after getting it running, looking at that pump housing it sure don't look like the gears were spinning in there at least from what could be seen from here. One would think that if they corroded to the point that they left impressions in the housing if they were to break free after there would be evidence of them spinning.
Hopefully you don't have engine damage beyond the oil pump 🤞. I have no experience with the Fiat Olivers but after watching your videos I'm getting the itch. They do look like a handy tractor. My favorite is still the row crops though.
When you have nothing else to do. 😂😂 That has never happened to me in 65 years.
I agree just install the new oil pump and see what you have before getting to deep
“Land of chop sticks “ 😂😂😂😂
Another oil pump and it will be fine .
I'm thinking your best thing to do is pull both motors and put all the best parts together to make one good motor
well....that's like a kick in the nuts with a frozen moccasin
All the sadness. At this point a feller’s got to see it through to the completion.
I am saddened by this.
If it can be fixed, you'll be able to figure it out!
That stinks , have you gotten any crops out yet. From turkey creek farms be safe n thankful
Do you think the Tractor was flooded 🤔 that tractor is like a onion many layers of sadness with meat balls . But it's with the man that can .....more spannering needed, thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations 👍💨💨
Hope get it sorted bud sorry hear went wrong
Sadness for sure
Some days we just have to drop bach 10 and punt and go again
Sorry for the sadness.
1/4drive socket set
That’s what I ended up using.
Look on the bright side if you have to take the motor out then you can get to the clutch. Win win and alot of hours.and experience.
Next thing to check before going any further, check the bearings for damage from running without oil. Then decide from there. Still don't explain the moisture in the oil. In for a penny, in for a pound!
My scenario. Engine lost oil pressure they pulled the pan and thought it needed bearings .So they pulled the head to put rings and bearings in it then the old man passed and no one else knew .SEE
La tristezza!
Oh dear much silver sadness
Oil pump failure
I can't believe the amount of water in the oil & (obviously) the oil pump must have just sat in water to corrode the aluminum & rust the steel.
What would explain all of the water in the oil prior to pulling the pump? Looked very milky.
Rube Goldberg stopped by your toolbox
What is wrong with the parts tractor engine. I don't recall you ever getting it running.
Look at it this way Ross.... at least she dont have the other engine trouble with the thrust bearing from hell....hmmmm some days you cant win at losing.....
1/4 drive wobble extension?
Upper and lower oil pans. Just like an Alfa Romeo
That stinks bub and really sounding expensive now
UTB 445 ????
👨🔧🚜😮😢👍👍
Wash the engine out with diesel, and start again. Thanks for sharing your adventures with the Fiat junk 👍💨💨
Fiat 540??
That's not even a oliver dam fiat or something need nice 77 diesel or so
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