This is why I think the Qu gave the Ruin Haunters their advanced technology. Do you agree? Or do you have an alternative explanation? Sound off in the comments below!
very interesting idea. Maybe appearance of other posthumans can be explained by this. Maybe Star People who try save human culture were turn in to mantalopes.
What if since their sun was heating up as mentioned in your other videos, the Qu either thought that they would die out sooner or underestimated how quickly they would advance and be able to survive the heating sun? So the Qu did not bother to remove the tech due to their own arrogance.
@@StegjaboabWatson That's probably the best answer honestly. What they left them might have been just their old outdated junk, but even that junk would be light-years ahead of anything that the star people left behind. The star people tech is probably what gave them the road map needed to eventually make use of the qu tech. Once the gravital emerged from this tech they now were probably advanced enough to become an actual threat to the qu.
What if the hedonists were actually the first humans to come in contact with the Qu and were the first to welcome them and maybe even gave offerings of peace,seeing how the Qu were the first ever aliens that they encountered,and were just all around nice to them,not knowing how truly dangerous they were,so for their generosity the Qu made them their pets whether they liked it or not,thus creating the hedonists.
Nah I totally believe that they where conquered some time after first contact and they had enough time to realize that the end was coming so decided to party it out as a planet tell they came and the qu saw this partying and perceived it as a celebration of there coming and modifying and not as a last hurrah so decided they would be the best treated as pets and I base this theory purely on an episode of rick and morty where 3 planets where undergoing extinction events so the populations decided to de-evolve socially toward the end in non stop partying and orgys
This theory has a pretty nice "history repeats itself" angle to it, as it would be interesting/fitting if the pre-Ruin Haunter Star People were as responsible for their fellow Star People's defeat by the Qu as they would be for the end of most of the Post-Humans as the Gravitals. Heck, you could go further and say they may even have sold out their fellow Star People not just out of fear, but maybe out of the same superior "we're the only humans that are WORTHY of ruling/living in the cosmos" attitude that they would have as the Gravitals, depending on how much of a jackass you want to make said pre-Ruin Haunter Star People. OR maybe the realization of their ancestors' cowardice is why the Gravitals pushed the whole "we are the only worthy successors of the Star People's legacy", to push away the shame of their ancestors' betrayal.
What if it was done on purpose by a well meaning qu? The qu are largely portrayed as absolutely heartless. But it wouldn't be crazy for at least a tiny few of them to have some feelings of empathy. And at least try to give one star-people planet a chance by doing a shoddy job of remaking them. This would also be tragically ironic since that one well meaning qu would doom the rest of the re-evolved humans by making what would eventually become the gravitals. But even the gravitals eventually spawned citizens with a softer side. So its at least feasible that the qu would have a couple of quietly defiant heretics among them.
I'll put forward this idea. The Ruin Haunters were a part of a failed attempt of colonization. The machines that spawned the first generation of Ruin Haunter couldn't complete the process of creating fully educated human beings. They birthed them onto the planet, but key technology that was to teach them had broken down during the journey to their new star. Luckily for them, this new world had enough resources for them to continue an existence, but not a lot. The initial link between this group of new humans and technology was severed. The Ruin Haunters had regressed to mere animals by the time the Qu had arrived - maybe a diet where protein was not readily available, or some other deficiency that made the formation of intelligence nearly impossible. And though Star People tech remained on the Planet, these primitive Star People weren't going to be using it. The Qu's work had almost been done for them by fate.
Theory: The main reason why the Qu left their technology at the hands of the Ruin Haunters its because they knew that one day their former human slaves would evolve, unite and might exact vengance against them. So the Qu created the Ruin Haunters as a race with warlike superiority complex and leaving their technology to serve as a contingency plan to tear down an possible new human empire. Thus enter the Gravital Invasion and the fall of the 2nd Human Empire. If this is true then thank god the Asteromorphs are a thing.
A theory I heard someone mention in a comment section was that Star People were completely wiped out instead of the usual genetic modification. The Qu therefore didn’t bother cleaning up the ruins. However, there were very small isolated groups of survivors who evolved into the Ruin Hunters.
Well, yes. They exterminated the star people, they just created the new human races from their genetic material. In case of the ruin hunters, they propably sterilized the star people and gave them a comfy retirement while the Ruin Hunters were created.
@@RandomPerson-hd6wr and it would make there eventual showdown with the Asteromorphs as the Gravitals poetic in a way since if take this theory then that would be an epic showdown between the two survivors of the Qu invasion that followed two different development roads (man vs machine,those who lived on a planet vs those who lived in space,destructers vs the peaceful ones etc.)
I see it as the Qu pulling a little prank (gone wrong, gone genocidal), they put the Ruin Haunters on a planet with technology and barely dulled their intelligence at all (just leaving them more likely to develop psychopathy) knowing their planet's sun was going to expand, the logical conclusion being that if they evolved fast enough, the Ruin Haunters would use the technology to leave their homeworld and then would have to find new homeworlds. As in, other human planets. Meaning inevitably, the Qu expected the Ruin Haunters to commit genocide. The Qu can have a little prank, as a treat. Edit: Also, it's important to note, the Qu did not know about the Spacers/Aesteromorphs, therefore did not account for the Ruin Haunters (Gravitals) to be defeated and their technology used by them to destroy the Qu. Best case scenario in the Qu's perspective, the Ruin Boys destroy all human life in the galaxy besides themselves and the Qu come back and do a repeat of the Star People thing, slightly worse, they genetically modify the other human species like the Qu did and the Qu get mad and destroy them later, slightly worse again, they leave their planet and only settle uncolonized worlds, slightly worse again again, they never develop sapience and go extinct when the sun explodes. What they never predicted is that a group of humans hid.
Solid theory, the only other reason i can think of is that the particular Qu army that was sent to the ruin haunters planet where lazy and didn't work as hard in clearing away the technology or changing the people as much as they should have perhaps because they thought their sun would destroy them anyway so there's no point in putting that much effort into the planet if its doomed tho I believe yours because the qu are aliens so would have a different mindset to humans and perhaps had a plan for the ruin haunters also it was their mission to remake the universe so a sloppy job would've been seen as a sin in their weird religion or something, you have prefect timing by the way.
I like your theory, absolutely possible and like you said their sun would have likely killed them off if they hadn't evolved so quickly, a bit of a miscalculation on the Qu's part.
@@BewareCast Thanks, the Qu may have been as powerful as God's but can't predict the future, i think your theory is the most likely tho because of the Qu's devotion.
Glad to see my idea was turned into a video, with of course your theory in it too! (I also hope I wasn't the first to come up with the "Qu have mercy on the Ruin Haunters" possibility)
@@BewareCast I think they had a fail safe within their fail safe, The reason why they made the ruin haunters is so that in case the others rise up there will be the ruin haunters to keep them down
I like the idea that the Qu that invaded their land was.. just lazy. It might have been the last planet they were gonna invade, so they kinda just half assed it so they could go home. Like when it's five minutes left of school and you just start waiting out the time before you get to leave, or in a meeting just letting your mind drift away so you can go home.
On a unrelated note, the ruin haunters are very similar to the necrons from warhammer 40k. Both came from a planet with a harsh sun and later interred their bodies into machines. They didn't necessarily hated their interstellar neighbors but held no love for them either, later on during their civil war they declared war on the asteromorphs/Old Ones as a mean to bring unity back to their entire species
Koseman is a fan of Warhammer 40k (in that he has spent many hours combing the wiki and watching UA-cam videos but has never actually played a game of it lol) but I'm not sure if the resources online were available to the extent they are now back when he wrote All Tomorrows.
Interesting ideas! My personal theory is that whatever techniques the Qu used to transform the star people into their new forms, it wasn’t something that was instantaneous or within the span of a single generation. Thematically, the book is all about enormous time scales and change/evolution/torture over time. I imagine it was something that took many generations, each one giving birth to altered offspring, until they reached a point where they fit the purpose the Qu had set out for them. I think the Ruin Haunters were simply an interrupted project. They were only a few generations in (hence why they still looked quite human) when some kind of emergency or accident drew away the Qu on their planet, and they probably left in a hurry. We don’t know why all the Qu left when they did, but maybe these Qu were still in the middle of experimenting when they got the order to leave and were told to drop everything they were doing. It was probably protocol to clean up after the new post-humans were done, so that’s why there was still star people tech on the planet - nobody had bothered to clean it up since the whole planet was still a work in progress. I think the Colonials, Mantelopes and all the other post humans would’ve looked quite similar to the Ruin Haunters just a few generations after the Qu arrived. They were just unfortunate enough that in their case, the Qu stayed long enough to finish the job.
While the book talks about natural selection of evolution of the modified post humans after the departure of the Qu. I think it’s reasonable going of off what the book hints at is that the genetic engineering of the Qu was so advanced that one generation was altered to the modifications. (Like in the Qu labs or something.) Because in the book nothing suggests it was artificial selection of sorts.
The Qu were hyperintelligent. By definition, this allows you to anticipate the future almost to the point of precognition. The Qu knew that someday some faction of the Spacers would rise up and become a threat to the Qu. The best scenario would be for a second faction to exist, and have the two factions fight, weakening both to the point where the Qu could finish them both off. The Ruin Haunters were designed to advance and eventually become the second faction. The technology left behind by the Qu was deliberately chosen to guide the Ruin Haunters into becoming inorganics, which the Qu may have had a defense against (they would, after all, understand their own tech). It almost worked.
@@fellipedasilva99 The Qu would have had a contingency plan, knowing that it was at least theoretically possible that some small population of humans managed to sneak off into deep space and evade them; they would plan accordingly for the eventuality of their return. They would simply assume that such a population existed, although they obviously didn't know for certain. It would have merely been reasonable for the Qu to assume there was such a group as the spacers hiding out somewhere in the void.
Except the Ruin Haunters weren't designed to be aggressive - if the idea of the Qu were to create a puppet to do their bidding, The Ruin Haunters must be an aggressive creature, but they only start being aggressive when they replaced their flesh with the machine, lead their mindset astray. If the Ruin Haunters have a better relationship with other human species, the Qu would end up leaving a bigger threat.
I like to believe that the Qu's apparent failure to heavily impair the Ruin haunters was a show of hubris; the Qu must've known that the Ruin haunters' world would soon have its star die and the former could've thought that marooning the later on a doomed world planet, without anything they could do about it, would be enough torture. In other words, having been left on a planet with some remains of technology so that in the remaining time before their planet died, the Ruin haunters could've gained self awareness and the necessary scientific awareness to understand their planet would die, yet not with enough time to escape. Furthermore, the Qu could've predicted the human self destructive and warlike tendencies in the Ruin haunters, and thought they'd most likely turn on themselves rather than solve their impending doom, but as we know, the Qu for once, miscalculated.
I have an idea for an alternative scenerio. What if the ruin haunters never existed. The alternative scenario follows that the colonials are able to hold out against the Qu being able to destroy out all waves of Qu invaders. Maybe it would be cool if you made a video following the alternative scenario
What if the ruin haunters were the first star people to get absolutely wrecked by the qu. Their human appearance may be because the qu had just experimented with the star people and thus left their physical forms relatively unscathed. Since the qu was far superior to the star people their technology was left in tact because they didn’t feel threatened.
There are 2 possibilities that come to my mind: 1) The Hedonists were part of a group on the Ruin Haunter's home world that made a pact with the Qu and thus they were nicer to them while also still punishing them. 2) The Ruin Haunters had managed to endured long enough that the Qu encountered a crisis such as civil war and/or another species who were of equal power to the Qu declared war on them and they had to abandon their plans for the Ruin Haunters.
My objection to your theory is that it Qu gaving some thing intentionally would gave Ruin Haunters justificarion they would have used. They would be say that Qu left this universe to us. My theory is that they were living in a planet with already deplated resources. (because their star getting larger -dying- either it was already very large (short lived, with smaller planets) or very old star.) So Qu gave little attention to their planet when they were in controll of the universe. This is why they were changed so little. They onlt put a little force just to prevent them from rebelling. When Qu were leaving the universe they left some technology behind because first they didnt care to clean that little equipment from very far away corner of the universe (just like us not pulling tanks from vietnam) second they were allready dying with very little resources so they put that technology to be consumed by the star.
I finished watching, well, listening to your audiobook of all tomorows, and i wanted to watch all the videos, honestly, i know its dumb, but the ruin hauters seem like villagers
My thought is that the QU that took over the Ruin hunters planet had a different mindset regarding taking over other species' planets and about changing species' DNA. Maybe they saw what happened with the colonist, of which thoughts that what they are doing is maybe wrong, especially when these star people stood up for themselves. However these Qu didn't want to stand out as deviations so they changed this Space people into Ruin hunters, but they left the Tech intact.
My theory is that the Ruin Haunters were left with technology for the very specific reason of eventually evolving into Gravitals to exterminate a future alliance of Posthumans. I think they just didn't count on the Spacers becoming gods themselves, if they even knew of the Spacers' existence.
l'm not that sure, the Qus are equals in the jugements if the ruins haunter still had their technology, it's maybe because another star people colony was near (maybe even the colonials) and the qus, scared of a 2 front war, and so just do the basic transformations and pyramids, the human army was on the way, the Qus just left the ruins haunter to kill the incomming star peoples and after it just forgot to supress human tech (sorry for the mistakes, i'm french)
I'd love to see more content surrounding similar series! Your commentary is nice to listen to. Would you create a Playlist to listen to while falling asleep? I love listening to your videos at night to sleep lol
I guess my theory videos playlist might be a good fit for nighttime listening, though I think the best thing for falling asleep would be the audiobook. I might look into making more videos with lower tones etc. for those who like using them as white noise though.
My theory on seeing the title was that the Ruin Haunters were intentionally left with juuuust enough humanness that they would be able to discover and recreate the Star People's technology, but not enough that they could do so with responsibility, dooming them to demolish themselves in thermonuclear warfare. The fact that they survived five world wars was nothing short of a miracle and could be a testament that not even the god-like Qu were entirely perfect in their conquest.
What if the qu used the ruin haunters as slaves to operate star people machinery on their planet perhaps they had some sort of facilities on the planet the qu couldn't easily replicate and decided to allow the inhabitants to retain their form so they could operate the machinery like maybe the planet is rich in some sort of rare volatile mineral that the star people had mastered refining and the qu either didn't have the refining process as smooth as the star people or the required machines are just so complex it was was easier to make their new subjects maintain them, what if this material is what gives the gravitals their abilities.
Maybe the Ruin Haunters were an experiment, to see if they could obtain a higher intelligence. And when the Gravitals happened, I guess that confirmed the Qu's hypothesis. Maybe the Qu wanted the Gravitals as soldiers?
Any chance we could get some speculation videos about what became of the qu in the time between leaving our Galaxy and their eventual defeat at the hands of the intergalactic alliance? With their own genetic engineering capabilities it's hard to imagine they stayed the same in those hundreds of millions of years time frames. Like did they even still call themselves the qu at that point? Did they further advance or did they stagnate technologically speaking? I hope the sequel book explores these questions.
Not all worlds were settled at the same time so they all would have different levels of population, equipement and defences. Maybe the Ruin Huanters and Hedonists didn't have the means to resist effectively like the Colonials.
What about if the Qu saw in the would-be-Ruin Hunters something they liked, probably they saw something of themselves in them. Probably they were also doing genetic modificationgs to other organisms, or worse, on other fellow star people like themselves.
It seems unlikely that the pre-ruin haunters telling the Qu that they were going about their attacks in the wrong way would lead the Qu to giving them a favor in return. To the Qu the idea that the star people have some knowledge they don’t would seem blasphemous to the Qu with their god-complex and that in telling them they were wrong would be like ants telling humans that their approach to taking out another ant colony wasn’t the best way. Regardless of the help that the ruin haunters gave, the Qu could take out the pre-colonials regardless.
I wonder if the finger fishers and the headonists were the star people that worshipped the qu. It would explain why thier transformation was a lot kinder
Maybe it´s a reference to "yanaconas", those people from south american indigenous nations who were symphatetic with the spanish conquerors during the Spanish Domination in the Americas.
@@dibershai6009 I don't know, maybe they have multi-function and do all that you said, plus act as reproductive organs. In the book it says that they can reproduce asexually, or through more "familiar" methods. And in the image, to the right, you can see one... entering another. I honestly think that what they're doing there is *you know what*
Maybe the ruin haunters were all part of a wider experiment the Qu conducted. Looking at the other species you've got opposites all over; high gravity adaptation in the lopsiders and low gravity with the striders. They adapted swimmers to water worlds and worms in arid desert worlds. Flyers being graceful and airborn vs lumbering and gigantic Titans and the predators and prey being a hunters and hunted opposite to the parasites on a behavioral level. Hedonists and Colonials are very much the opposite so maybe they viewed ruin haunters, with their retained sentience and old tech as the opposite to a completely lobotomized race - lizard herders. Punishment and reward was part of it as well, it was the Qu justice but they were also tinkering and being god so probably wanted to see how things would play out by creating all these opposites across the universe to see what would happen
What if the Qu never encountered the Ruin Huanters. The book says they had several nuclear wars. What if by the time the Qu arrived they'd already bombed themselves back to the stone age. After the Qu left they would then have several more in their evolutionary history, and until they became the gravitals. It would explain why their tech wasn't destroyed, and explain their xenophobia as being descended from a particularly aggressive group of Star People. Heck, their world might even have been a prison world.
It could be possible that the ruin haunters lived in the main star people world so they has the best offensive technology and they actually defeated every wave of qu that came for then so it could be possible that when the qu tries to engineer the ruin haunters they got destroyed before they could fully transform them and both the attacking qu and the star people who attacked the qu of that world had died and the qu simply didn't try since the star people of that planet had already died
I also think it's possible that the Ruin Haunters and their world were created to be a museum of sorts. This would be the world that Qu brought their young to on a field trip to illustrate something of what the Star People were like, but in a "harmless" form at the time where they couldn't fight back. You could well be right that the Ruin Haunters' ancestors were quislings or surrendered peacefully, too.
Maybe they saw the Ruin Haunters as worthy successors who had a similar twisted genocidal mindset, and were like "these people are a lot like us and are even willing to cooperate with us and do our bidding, let's let them on our side and give them the ability to do our bidding"
If the Star People on that planet betrayed their species, I wonder if there were any planets that decided to destroy themselves rather than fall to the Qu. I'm thinking of a "if we die, you die with us" kind of deal.
I believe the qu in their fanaticism didnt accept the fact that beings where changing the already perfect universe via terra formation. I think they used samples of genetics to evolve them to their specific planet.
You should make well if scenarios videos about the ruin haunters ❤ thank you so much for highly appreciate you I've also like this theory is possible I hope the new book was stated us about
So you could say in regards to qu resistance was futile... Couldn't help but make a Star Trek next generation reference some fruit hangs so low you just have to pick it
The villagers in minecraft are absolutely ruin haunters. They didn't build the houses, or farming, they stubbled upon it. They're almost incapable of manipulating objects, and they work for shiny rocks. They can't really talk, and I don't think they don't have a very sophisticated value system for their god damn emeralds that they use for literally nothing. It's my head cannon, the similarities go beyond their looks.
@@BewareCast Hi I liked you theory a lot. I wonder if the Qu are human. I think this because I saw one All Tomorrows theory video speculating on whether the Qu were human. In order to find this video just search on UA-cam: “Are the Qu human?” by Commander Line Vulpine. Anyways, have a nice day.😃
I think your theory is sound. It is not uncommon for collaborators to enjoy rewards under their new overlords, especially when they had welcomed the invaders with open arms and even provided a major advantage over their own kind. My own belief is similar and by extension, one of the reasons that the Asteromorphs had pushed the Gravitals shit in so hard is that they had records of what the Gravitals' ancient ancestors did to get such a light touch from the Qu. The Gravitals weren't just genocidal assholes, they were the latest in a long line of treacherous scumbags.
I always thought of the Ruin Haunters as an incomplete project, probably left only halfway bred do stupidity on a planet voird of tech because of the war with the colonials
I mean, they didn't actually GIVE them the technology. Star people have been colonizing the varying planets across the solar system and/or galaxies near to them with the aid of robotic machines. The Qu, as far as we know, didn't mutate all of the varying Star Peoples and toss them across large quadrants of galaxies within the known universe, they just plopped them on planets most likely within the same general universal map as to where the wars and later body horror took place, possibly making some of the planets hospitable for some of their new species. It was only a matter of time before one of the MANY sub-humans, since the ones in the books aren't all the different species that the Qu made, just the ones that survived once the Qu left, ended up on a planet containing Star people technology. The fact that the Ruin Haunters got lucky with all of their tech is entirely coincidental, the Qu don't really have any alternative motives, as far as we were ever aware, they have been wandering the vast universe doing this whole biological mutation thing for quite some time to a myriad of other creatures. So, as stated, I don't think the Qu left the ruin haunters with their ancestors' ancient tech for any meaningful purpose, I think they simply half-assed their assault and once everyone was either dead or mutated their own hubris of seeing themselves as these God-esq creatures shaping the universe in their image ended up underestimating humans.
No, the Qu created the Villagers because the Star People leaders are cowards, they surrender, the Star People leader beg to the Qu that they will surrender if they will preserve they're leadership, no matter what, maybe they think the Qu will let them go, but they are wrong, except, the Qu kills them all but they left the ruins as an promise to they're surrender, they are the opposite of colonials, If in All Tomorrow universe has Minkrief, they inspired from the Villager design, which are pacifist that has Golems that symbolize undefeatable technology, so they chose the design and the design is very human indeed......
I think Qu loves Minecraft and make an inspiration from it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, Who was first, All Tomorrow or the Existence of Minecraft Villagers?
This is why I think the Qu gave the Ruin Haunters their advanced technology. Do you agree? Or do you have an alternative explanation? Sound off in the comments below!
Yeah I do agree
very interesting idea. Maybe appearance of other posthumans can be explained by this.
Maybe Star People who try save human culture were turn in to mantalopes.
What if since their sun was heating up as mentioned in your other videos, the Qu either thought that they would die out sooner or underestimated how quickly they would advance and be able to survive the heating sun? So the Qu did not bother to remove the tech due to their own arrogance.
@@StegjaboabWatson That's probably the best answer honestly. What they left them might have been just their old outdated junk, but even that junk would be light-years ahead of anything that the star people left behind. The star people tech is probably what gave them the road map needed to eventually make use of the qu tech. Once the gravital emerged from this tech they now were probably advanced enough to become an actual threat to the qu.
@@StegjaboabWatson that is my theroy
What if the hedonists were actually the first humans to come in contact with the Qu and were the first to welcome them and maybe even gave offerings of peace,seeing how the Qu were the first ever aliens that they encountered,and were just all around nice to them,not knowing how truly dangerous they were,so for their generosity the Qu made them their pets whether they liked it or not,thus creating the hedonists.
I love that idea.
Hmm
Nah I totally believe that they where conquered some time after first contact and they had enough time to realize that the end was coming so decided to party it out as a planet tell they came and the qu saw this partying and perceived it as a celebration of there coming and modifying and not as a last hurrah so decided they would be the best treated as pets and I base this theory purely on an episode of rick and morty where 3 planets where undergoing extinction events so the populations decided to de-evolve socially toward the end in non stop partying and orgys
Of the myriad species the Qu created out of humans, it is more likely they just decided to get creative along the way and make some pets.
I think the hedonists were puritans of some kind and they are not granted a gift but a curse
This theory has a pretty nice "history repeats itself" angle to it, as it would be interesting/fitting if the pre-Ruin Haunter Star People were as responsible for their fellow Star People's defeat by the Qu as they would be for the end of most of the Post-Humans as the Gravitals.
Heck, you could go further and say they may even have sold out their fellow Star People not just out of fear, but maybe out of the same superior "we're the only humans that are WORTHY of ruling/living in the cosmos" attitude that they would have as the Gravitals, depending on how much of a jackass you want to make said pre-Ruin Haunter Star People.
OR maybe the realization of their ancestors' cowardice is why the Gravitals pushed the whole "we are the only worthy successors of the Star People's legacy", to push away the shame of their ancestors' betrayal.
So bsicaly a complex of being a traitor.
What if it was done on purpose by a well meaning qu? The qu are largely portrayed as absolutely heartless. But it wouldn't be crazy for at least a tiny few of them to have some feelings of empathy. And at least try to give one star-people planet a chance by doing a shoddy job of remaking them. This would also be tragically ironic since that one well meaning qu would doom the rest of the re-evolved humans by making what would eventually become the gravitals. But even the gravitals eventually spawned citizens with a softer side. So its at least feasible that the qu would have a couple of quietly defiant heretics among them.
Absolutely, I've often thought about that and it does seem like a strong possibility.
It makes logical sense. They are an entire species after all. Even if their species is naturally less empathetic.
I'll put forward this idea. The Ruin Haunters were a part of a failed attempt of colonization. The machines that spawned the first generation of Ruin Haunter couldn't complete the process of creating fully educated human beings. They birthed them onto the planet, but key technology that was to teach them had broken down during the journey to their new star. Luckily for them, this new world had enough resources for them to continue an existence, but not a lot.
The initial link between this group of new humans and technology was severed. The Ruin Haunters had regressed to mere animals by the time the Qu had arrived - maybe a diet where protein was not readily available, or some other deficiency that made the formation of intelligence nearly impossible.
And though Star People tech remained on the Planet, these primitive Star People weren't going to be using it.
The Qu's work had almost been done for them by fate.
An interesting possibility.
Theory:
The main reason why the Qu left their technology at the hands of the Ruin Haunters its because they knew that one day their former human slaves would evolve, unite and might exact vengance against them. So the Qu created the Ruin Haunters as a race with warlike superiority complex and leaving their technology to serve as a contingency plan to tear down an possible new human empire. Thus enter the Gravital Invasion and the fall of the 2nd Human Empire.
If this is true then thank god the Asteromorphs are a thing.
Awesome theory, that would essentially make the ruin haunters a time bomb left to ward off any possible human re-emergence.
@@vrbe3694 qu believe they are God, so they wouldn't be afraid of their creation
@@vrbe3694 mauby the Qu would know how to disable the Gravitals since they would know the way of that tehnology working.
@Pro Semite yes but it all stemed from tehnology that they left for them.
If so that was some universe-brain thinking from the Qu
A theory I heard someone mention in a comment section was that Star People were completely wiped out instead of the usual genetic modification. The Qu therefore didn’t bother cleaning up the ruins. However, there were very small isolated groups of survivors who evolved into the Ruin Hunters.
Sounds like a possibility.
And theyre One of the most human looking post humans too
Well, yes. They exterminated the star people, they just created the new human races from their genetic material.
In case of the ruin hunters, they propably sterilized the star people and gave them a comfy retirement while the Ruin Hunters were created.
I headcannon this
The two most powerful human species were ones not affected by the Qu
@@RandomPerson-hd6wr and it would make there eventual showdown with the Asteromorphs as the Gravitals poetic in a way since if take this theory then that would be an epic showdown between the two survivors of the Qu invasion that followed two different development roads (man vs machine,those who lived on a planet vs those who lived in space,destructers vs the peaceful ones etc.)
Really solid theory to be honest, I always just assumed it was because the Qu where just really lazy on that particular day or something.
Lol it could just as easily be because of that.
I see it as the Qu pulling a little prank (gone wrong, gone genocidal), they put the Ruin Haunters on a planet with technology and barely dulled their intelligence at all (just leaving them more likely to develop psychopathy) knowing their planet's sun was going to expand, the logical conclusion being that if they evolved fast enough, the Ruin Haunters would use the technology to leave their homeworld and then would have to find new homeworlds. As in, other human planets. Meaning inevitably, the Qu expected the Ruin Haunters to commit genocide. The Qu can have a little prank, as a treat.
Edit: Also, it's important to note, the Qu did not know about the Spacers/Aesteromorphs, therefore did not account for the Ruin Haunters (Gravitals) to be defeated and their technology used by them to destroy the Qu. Best case scenario in the Qu's perspective, the Ruin Boys destroy all human life in the galaxy besides themselves and the Qu come back and do a repeat of the Star People thing, slightly worse, they genetically modify the other human species like the Qu did and the Qu get mad and destroy them later, slightly worse again, they leave their planet and only settle uncolonized worlds, slightly worse again again, they never develop sapience and go extinct when the sun explodes. What they never predicted is that a group of humans hid.
A very dark yet intriguing idea... a little glimpse into the Qu's sense of humour.
Lmao as a treat
Really well written comment btw
prank em John!
**proceeds to transform every human in existence into many different abominations composed of depressing flesh**
Solid theory, the only other reason i can think of is that the particular Qu army that was sent to the ruin haunters planet where lazy and didn't work as hard in clearing away the technology or changing the people as much as they should have perhaps because they thought their sun would destroy them anyway so there's no point in putting that much effort into the planet if its doomed tho I believe yours because the qu are aliens so would have a different mindset to humans and perhaps had a plan for the ruin haunters also it was their mission to remake the universe so a sloppy job would've been seen as a sin in their weird religion or something, you have prefect timing by the way.
I like your theory, absolutely possible and like you said their sun would have likely killed them off if they hadn't evolved so quickly, a bit of a miscalculation on the Qu's part.
@@BewareCast Thanks, the Qu may have been as powerful as God's but can't predict the future, i think your theory is the most likely tho because of the Qu's devotion.
Glad to see my idea was turned into a video, with of course your theory in it too! (I also hope I wasn't the first to come up with the "Qu have mercy on the Ruin Haunters" possibility)
They were doing a little trollage
Maybe
@@BewareCast even aliens from the far sides of the universe know the power of trolling
@@itskevinjustkevin I'm sure they do, the Qu had wielded all kinds of immense power, and trolling was just one of many weapons in their arsenal.
@@BewareCast I think they had a fail safe within their fail safe, The reason why they made the ruin haunters is so that in case the others rise up there will be the ruin haunters to keep them down
I like the idea that the Qu that invaded their land was.. just lazy.
It might have been the last planet they were gonna invade, so they kinda just half assed it so they could go home.
Like when it's five minutes left of school and you just start waiting out the time before you get to leave, or in a meeting just letting your mind drift away so you can go home.
I always knew squidward was the main villain
On a unrelated note, the ruin haunters are very similar to the necrons from warhammer 40k. Both came from a planet with a harsh sun and later interred their bodies into machines. They didn't necessarily hated their interstellar neighbors but held no love for them either, later on during their civil war they declared war on the asteromorphs/Old Ones as a mean to bring unity back to their entire species
Indeed kinda similar
Koseman is a fan of Warhammer 40k (in that he has spent many hours combing the wiki and watching UA-cam videos but has never actually played a game of it lol) but I'm not sure if the resources online were available to the extent they are now back when he wrote All Tomorrows.
Interesting ideas! My personal theory is that whatever techniques the Qu used to transform the star people into their new forms, it wasn’t something that was instantaneous or within the span of a single generation. Thematically, the book is all about enormous time scales and change/evolution/torture over time. I imagine it was something that took many generations, each one giving birth to altered offspring, until they reached a point where they fit the purpose the Qu had set out for them.
I think the Ruin Haunters were simply an interrupted project. They were only a few generations in (hence why they still looked quite human) when some kind of emergency or accident drew away the Qu on their planet, and they probably left in a hurry. We don’t know why all the Qu left when they did, but maybe these Qu were still in the middle of experimenting when they got the order to leave and were told to drop everything they were doing. It was probably protocol to clean up after the new post-humans were done, so that’s why there was still star people tech on the planet - nobody had bothered to clean it up since the whole planet was still a work in progress.
I think the Colonials, Mantelopes and all the other post humans would’ve looked quite similar to the Ruin Haunters just a few generations after the Qu arrived. They were just unfortunate enough that in their case, the Qu stayed long enough to finish the job.
While the book talks about natural selection of evolution of the modified post humans after the departure of the Qu. I think it’s reasonable going of off what the book hints at is that the genetic engineering of the Qu was so advanced that one generation was altered to the modifications. (Like in the Qu labs or something.)
Because in the book nothing suggests it was artificial selection of sorts.
The Qu were hyperintelligent. By definition, this allows you to anticipate the future almost to the point of precognition. The Qu knew that someday some faction of the Spacers would rise up and become a threat to the Qu. The best scenario would be for a second faction to exist, and have the two factions fight, weakening both to the point where the Qu could finish them both off. The Ruin Haunters were designed to advance and eventually become the second faction. The technology left behind by the Qu was deliberately chosen to guide the Ruin Haunters into becoming inorganics, which the Qu may have had a defense against (they would, after all, understand their own tech). It almost worked.
But did they know about the Spacers? Didn’t they escape undetected? Or did they like “outrun” or lose the Qu in the void of space or something lol.
@@fellipedasilva99 The Qu would have had a contingency plan, knowing that it was at least theoretically possible that some small population of humans managed to sneak off into deep space and evade them; they would plan accordingly for the eventuality of their return. They would simply assume that such a population existed, although they obviously didn't know for certain. It would have merely been reasonable for the Qu to assume there was such a group as the spacers hiding out somewhere in the void.
Except the Ruin Haunters weren't designed to be aggressive - if the idea of the Qu were to create a puppet to do their bidding, The Ruin Haunters must be an aggressive creature, but they only start being aggressive when they replaced their flesh with the machine, lead their mindset astray. If the Ruin Haunters have a better relationship with other human species, the Qu would end up leaving a bigger threat.
I like to believe that the Qu's apparent failure to heavily impair the Ruin haunters was a show of hubris; the Qu must've known that the Ruin haunters' world would soon have its star die and the former could've thought that marooning the later on a doomed world planet, without anything they could do about it, would be enough torture.
In other words, having been left on a planet with some remains of technology so that in the remaining time before their planet died, the Ruin haunters could've gained self awareness and the necessary scientific awareness to understand their planet would die, yet not with enough time to escape. Furthermore, the Qu could've predicted the human self destructive and warlike tendencies in the Ruin haunters, and thought they'd most likely turn on themselves rather than solve their impending doom, but as we know, the Qu for once, miscalculated.
That would have been hilarious lmao I feel like the Qu would definitely do that
@@Mypeenorhurt hubris is certainly reasonable for a self righteous imperialistic race
I have an idea for an alternative scenerio. What if the ruin haunters never existed. The alternative scenario follows that the colonials are able to hold out against the Qu being able to destroy out all waves of Qu invaders. Maybe it would be cool if you made a video following the alternative scenario
What if the ruin haunters were the first star people to get absolutely wrecked by the qu. Their human appearance may be because the qu had just experimented with the star people and thus left their physical forms relatively unscathed. Since the qu was far superior to the star people their technology was left in tact because they didn’t feel threatened.
There are 2 possibilities that come to my mind:
1) The Hedonists were part of a group on the Ruin Haunter's home world that made a pact with the Qu and thus they were nicer to them while also still punishing them.
2) The Ruin Haunters had managed to endured long enough that the Qu encountered a crisis such as civil war and/or another species who were of equal power to the Qu declared war on them and they had to abandon their plans for the Ruin Haunters.
My theory exactly. They sold helps humans to curry favor from these space bugs.
My objection to your theory is that it Qu gaving some thing intentionally would gave Ruin Haunters justificarion they would have used. They would be say that Qu left this universe to us.
My theory is that they were living in a planet with already deplated resources. (because their star getting larger -dying- either it was already very large (short lived, with smaller planets) or very old star.) So Qu gave little attention to their planet when they were in controll of the universe. This is why they were changed so little. They onlt put a little force just to prevent them from rebelling. When Qu were leaving the universe they left some technology behind because first they didnt care to clean that little equipment from very far away corner of the universe (just like us not pulling tanks from vietnam) second they were allready dying with very little resources so they put that technology to be consumed by the star.
Seems logic
I finished watching, well, listening to your audiobook of all tomorows, and i wanted to watch all the videos, honestly, i know its dumb, but the ruin hauters seem like villagers
A few people have said that, however, I'm not down with the kids so I've never played Minecraft and don't know what the villagers look like lol.
@@BewareCast oh it's just do to there large nose and deminished intelligence that some kids saw them as Minecraft villagers lol.
My thought is that the QU that took over the Ruin hunters planet had a different mindset regarding taking over other species' planets and about changing species' DNA.
Maybe they saw what happened with the colonist, of which thoughts that what they are doing is maybe wrong, especially when these star people stood up for themselves.
However these Qu didn't want to stand out as deviations so they changed this Space people into Ruin hunters, but they left the Tech intact.
My theory is that the Ruin Haunters were left with technology for the very specific reason of eventually evolving into Gravitals to exterminate a future alliance of Posthumans. I think they just didn't count on the Spacers becoming gods themselves, if they even knew of the Spacers' existence.
I have an alternate idea: I think the ruin haunted were the last meaning the qu was too tired to properly clean it
l'm not that sure, the Qus are equals in the jugements
if the ruins haunter still had their technology, it's maybe because another star people colony was near (maybe even the colonials) and the qus, scared of a 2 front war, and so just do the basic transformations and pyramids, the human army was on the way, the Qus just left the ruins haunter to kill the incomming star peoples and after it just forgot to supress human tech
(sorry for the mistakes, i'm french)
I'd love to see more content surrounding similar series! Your commentary is nice to listen to.
Would you create a Playlist to listen to while falling asleep? I love listening to your videos at night to sleep lol
I guess my theory videos playlist might be a good fit for nighttime listening, though I think the best thing for falling asleep would be the audiobook. I might look into making more videos with lower tones etc. for those who like using them as white noise though.
I'd like to think that the ruin haunters were somewhat of a control group, and they weren't touched too much by the qu.
I really like this theory
My theory on seeing the title was that the Ruin Haunters were intentionally left with juuuust enough humanness that they would be able to discover and recreate the Star People's technology, but not enough that they could do so with responsibility, dooming them to demolish themselves in thermonuclear warfare. The fact that they survived five world wars was nothing short of a miracle and could be a testament that not even the god-like Qu were entirely perfect in their conquest.
What if the qu used the ruin haunters as slaves to operate star people machinery on their planet perhaps they had some sort of facilities on the planet the qu couldn't easily replicate and decided to allow the inhabitants to retain their form so they could operate the machinery like maybe the planet is rich in some sort of rare volatile mineral that the star people had mastered refining and the qu either didn't have the refining process as smooth as the star people or the required machines are just so complex it was was easier to make their new subjects maintain them, what if this material is what gives the gravitals their abilities.
So minecraft is a part way place between when the ruin haunters were made and when they turned themselves into the gravitals, villagers
Maybe the Ruin Haunters were an experiment, to see if they could obtain a higher intelligence.
And when the Gravitals happened, I guess that confirmed the Qu's hypothesis.
Maybe the Qu wanted the Gravitals as soldiers?
Maybe the Qu just didn't realize some tech was left behind.
But the story you explained maybe the reason they have more ancient looking forms.
Such an interesting idea!
That's quite a sick theory. Gj!
If there weren't any ruins then they wouldn't be ruin hunters, would they?
Any chance we could get some speculation videos about what became of the qu in the time between leaving our Galaxy and their eventual defeat at the hands of the intergalactic alliance? With their own genetic engineering capabilities it's hard to imagine they stayed the same in those hundreds of millions of years time frames. Like did they even still call themselves the qu at that point? Did they further advance or did they stagnate technologically speaking? I hope the sequel book explores these questions.
Not all worlds were settled at the same time so they all would have different levels of population, equipement and defences. Maybe the Ruin Huanters and Hedonists didn't have the means to resist effectively like the Colonials.
Hm, I always figured giving a bunch of toddlers a fuckton of nuclear arms would ensure they'd blow themselves into oblivion eventually.
What about if the Qu saw in the would-be-Ruin Hunters something they liked, probably they saw something of themselves in them. Probably they were also doing genetic modificationgs to other organisms, or worse, on other fellow star people like themselves.
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But thats just a theory, A BOOK THEORY
Yes.
It seems unlikely that the pre-ruin haunters telling the Qu that they were going about their attacks in the wrong way would lead the Qu to giving them a favor in return. To the Qu the idea that the star people have some knowledge they don’t would seem blasphemous to the Qu with their god-complex and that in telling them they were wrong would be like ants telling humans that their approach to taking out another ant colony wasn’t the best way. Regardless of the help that the ruin haunters gave, the Qu could take out the pre-colonials regardless.
I'm pretty sure it was an early version of ruin Haunters that invaded the Bugfacers. Their "Viking era" probably involved interstellar ships.
My best guess is that they were on earth, and therefore not guilty of the crime of shaping a world in their own image.
Another good video! thanks
Thank you!
I wonder if the finger fishers and the headonists were the star people that worshipped the qu. It would explain why thier transformation was a lot kinder
Thanks for the great content
No worries man, I'm glad you like it
Maybe it´s a reference to "yanaconas", those people from south american indigenous nations who were symphatetic with the spanish conquerors during the Spanish Domination in the Americas.
Screw it I'll ask it, how do you think the Colonials reproduced?
The old fashioned way, I think. Those aren't mouths and tongues...
@@BewareCast 😳
@@dibershai6009 I don't know, maybe they have multi-function and do all that you said, plus act as reproductive organs.
In the book it says that they can reproduce asexually, or through more "familiar" methods. And in the image, to the right, you can see one... entering another. I honestly think that what they're doing there is *you know what*
Maybe the ruin haunters were all part of a wider experiment the Qu conducted.
Looking at the other species you've got opposites all over; high gravity adaptation in the lopsiders and low gravity with the striders. They adapted swimmers to water worlds and worms in arid desert worlds. Flyers being graceful and airborn vs lumbering and gigantic Titans and the predators and prey being a hunters and hunted opposite to the parasites on a behavioral level. Hedonists and Colonials are very much the opposite so maybe they viewed ruin haunters, with their retained sentience and old tech as the opposite to a completely lobotomized race - lizard herders.
Punishment and reward was part of it as well, it was the Qu justice but they were also tinkering and being god so probably wanted to see how things would play out by creating all these opposites across the universe to see what would happen
The ruin haunters look like Minecraft villagers
What if the Qu never encountered the Ruin Huanters. The book says they had several nuclear wars. What if by the time the Qu arrived they'd already bombed themselves back to the stone age. After the Qu left they would then have several more in their evolutionary history, and until they became the gravitals. It would explain why their tech wasn't destroyed, and explain their xenophobia as being descended from a particularly aggressive group of Star People. Heck, their world might even have been a prison world.
It could be possible that the ruin haunters lived in the main star people world so they has the best offensive technology and they actually defeated every wave of qu that came for then so it could be possible that when the qu tries to engineer the ruin haunters they got destroyed before they could fully transform them and both the attacking qu and the star people who attacked the qu of that world had died and the qu simply didn't try since the star people of that planet had already died
Possible but your underestimating the scale of the qu threat
I feel like that would have caused the colonial situation
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I also think it's possible that the Ruin Haunters and their world were created to be a museum of sorts. This would be the world that Qu brought their young to on a field trip to illustrate something of what the Star People were like, but in a "harmless" form at the time where they couldn't fight back. You could well be right that the Ruin Haunters' ancestors were quislings or surrendered peacefully, too.
Maybe they saw the Ruin Haunters as worthy successors who had a similar twisted genocidal mindset, and were like "these people are a lot like us and are even willing to cooperate with us and do our bidding, let's let them on our side and give them the ability to do our bidding"
they wanted to prove we wouldn't be better than them
If the Star People on that planet betrayed their species, I wonder if there were any planets that decided to destroy themselves rather than fall to the Qu. I'm thinking of a "if we die, you die with us" kind of deal.
I believe the qu in their fanaticism didnt accept the fact that beings where changing the already perfect universe via terra formation. I think they used samples of genetics to evolve them to their specific planet.
You should make well if scenarios videos about the ruin haunters ❤ thank you so much for highly appreciate you I've also like this theory is possible I hope the new book was stated us about
So you could say in regards to qu resistance was futile... Couldn't help but make a Star Trek next generation reference some fruit hangs so low you just have to pick it
Ruin haunters look like minecraft villager
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Maybe for chaos.
Qu: all part of plan indeed
The qu would always look fucking menacing.
mmm villager
He looks like a Minecraft villager.
They were the choosen ones
I think a emergency came up and they had to stop short
ngl, the ruin haunters kinda look a bit like fleshier and more grotesque versions of minecraft villagers.
villager lore:
why do the ruin haunters have such big noses?
to sniff out star ppl tech
4k villagers
Jews
The villagers in minecraft are absolutely ruin haunters. They didn't build the houses, or farming, they stubbled upon it. They're almost incapable of manipulating objects, and they work for shiny rocks. They can't really talk, and I don't think they don't have a very sophisticated value system for their god damn emeralds that they use for literally nothing.
It's my head cannon, the similarities go beyond their looks.
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@@BewareCast Hi I liked you theory a lot. I wonder if the Qu are human. I think this because I saw one All Tomorrows theory video speculating on whether the Qu were human. In order to find this video just search on UA-cam: “Are the Qu human?” by Commander Line Vulpine. Anyways, have a nice day.😃
@@ak.5620 Thanks man
@@BewareCast Wait, will you do a video on why you agree/disagree with the theory? I am actually really interested in what you think!
@@ak.5620 I might do one day, we'll see what happens!
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I think your theory is sound. It is not uncommon for collaborators to enjoy rewards under their new overlords, especially when they had welcomed the invaders with open arms and even provided a major advantage over their own kind.
My own belief is similar and by extension, one of the reasons that the Asteromorphs had pushed the Gravitals shit in so hard is that they had records of what the Gravitals' ancient ancestors did to get such a light touch from the Qu. The Gravitals weren't just genocidal assholes, they were the latest in a long line of treacherous scumbags.
When you get famous please don't forget me ;-;
I wont ;)
I always thought of the Ruin Haunters as an incomplete project, probably left only halfway bred do stupidity on a planet voird of tech because of the war with the colonials
My theory: The qu forgot about the ruin haunters
I mean, they didn't actually GIVE them the technology. Star people have been colonizing the varying planets across the solar system and/or galaxies near to them with the aid of robotic machines. The Qu, as far as we know, didn't mutate all of the varying Star Peoples and toss them across large quadrants of galaxies within the known universe, they just plopped them on planets most likely within the same general universal map as to where the wars and later body horror took place, possibly making some of the planets hospitable for some of their new species. It was only a matter of time before one of the MANY sub-humans, since the ones in the books aren't all the different species that the Qu made, just the ones that survived once the Qu left, ended up on a planet containing Star people technology. The fact that the Ruin Haunters got lucky with all of their tech is entirely coincidental, the Qu don't really have any alternative motives, as far as we were ever aware, they have been wandering the vast universe doing this whole biological mutation thing for quite some time to a myriad of other creatures. So, as stated, I don't think the Qu left the ruin haunters with their ancestors' ancient tech for any meaningful purpose, I think they simply half-assed their assault and once everyone was either dead or mutated their own hubris of seeing themselves as these God-esq creatures shaping the universe in their image ended up underestimating humans.
where did the Qu came from?
The Author never says, but they are nomadic so it doesn’t even matter to the Qu
They look like minecraft villager
Wanna join the legion?
The qu just got lazy
They forgor
They pulled a Joe Biden and left them to their own and their devices
No, the Qu created the Villagers because the Star People leaders are cowards, they surrender, the Star People leader beg to the Qu that they will surrender if they will preserve they're leadership, no matter what, maybe they think the Qu will let them go, but they are wrong, except, the Qu kills them all but they left the ruins as an promise to they're surrender, they are the opposite of colonials, If in All Tomorrow universe has Minkrief, they inspired from the Villager design, which are pacifist that has Golems that symbolize undefeatable technology, so they chose the design and the design is very human indeed......
I always imagined the Hedonists were a pacifist cult that worshiped the Qu.
The ruin haunters are Minecraft villagers
I think Qu loves Minecraft and make an inspiration from it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, Who was first, All Tomorrow or the Existence of Minecraft Villagers?