My Guide to Barefoot Hiking Shoes [Time to Switch?]
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- Everyone starts at different levels. But everyone CAN switch back to barefoot with time and patience. Here is where you can start. In this video I'm taking you through all the shoes I use and recommend.
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0:00 - Intro
1:15 - Merrell & Hoka
3:18 - Altra Problems
5:09 - Vivos in Leather
7:18 - Ankle Support?
8:18 - Barefoot Tracker 2
9:50 - Magna Trail 2
11:00 - Primus Trail FG
12:50 - A shoe for every trail
13:46 - Should you switch?
14:40 - The culprits
17:40 - Wrap Up - Спорт
Barefoot shoes are an absolute game changer. I had back pain/hip pain while hiking, thought I was going to have to quit hiking. I started doing your hiking warm up routine, yogaish stretching for the hips(a combo of yours and another one), as well as core strengthening, as you suggested, and now I'm wearing barefoot trail runners. I started using a walking technique taught by "Grown Healthy" UA-camr, and now am able to hike without any back pain. You have made a huge impact on my life. I am forever indebted to you. Thank You!!
I’ll have to check out that channel, thanks for the recco, and I’m so glad that I’ve had a huge impact on your life!!
Same here!
I jumped straight into some vivo Barefoot hiking boots about 6 months ago. After watching various videos about knee pain. A particular interest of mine. I put them on. No warming up . No exercises, no short walk acclimatisation. I got on with them right from the start. Without any issues at all. I’m unbelievably happy about how they have helped my mobility in regards road and hill walking. At 65 I was on the verge of packing in . I’m so happy.
Im only 33 but get knee pain after hiking 5-10 miles, especially if there is any downhill. I think it must partly be due to poor form (heel strike, overextending leg), and I hope that barefoot hiking boots will teach me proper hiking form.
@@itsacorporatething I hope it works out well for you. All my footwear is now dead flat and flexible. The only downside is wear. Obviously thin soles don’t take long to wear through. So they work out more expensive.
@@itsacorporatething
Same and I’m older than you (44) . But I used to be fine doing all day hiking . Last time
I did a full day walking was 2 years ago and I was fine in saucony peregrines . Yes I know it was a long time ago, but regular I go running and shorter walks, so I thought I should manage.
But I tried them last year in
Highlands only 4 hours and i wanted to
Cry on the way down. It was a medium sized rock path all way down and sort of steep, it was killing my knees. So I’m looking at vivobare magma forest esc . It’s expensive but due to go on hols again and plenty of walking I don’t want to be miserable . I’m thinking of trekking poles for descent too.
Honestly high ankles on boots are useful, not for the support (I always go through my ankle in them, whilst I don't in my Altras), but for the simple fact of protection. Especially when being off the path and in high grass, you can just stomp through whilst everything scratches against the boot opposed to your ankles. So I think when going off trail they can still have a place (but you can also use gaiters). But on trail it is simply worse.
Okay so having something covering your ankles without being supportive like a brace is what you’re talking about, but that’s a skill issue bc I’ve walked through grass above my ankles and it feels nice, plus shoes/boots would be really weird.
@@nabranestwistypuzzler7019 High grass wasnt the best example, but when it is wet and or has ticks high boots can be nice. But rocks and branches scratching your ankles is more what I meant :)
@@cheapknight1293 Or getting bit from a snake you can’t see
@@ignaciosaldanajr yeah that too haha
Yeah I commented the same thing, the high ankles are nice if you are in terrain with sharp rocks, thorns, 6" of snow, etc. Gaiters can accomplish this too but it's more gear to manage.
My experience with joint pain (knee and ankle) as well as Achilles and plantar facietes (sp?) was auto immune and most likely caused by gluten. Once I cleaned up my diet, all of those pains went away. I'm 53 years old and fixed all of this about 4 years ago.
For waterproof barefoot shoes you need the sole to stay on tight. The vivo esc line shoes are the only models that the sole won't separate from the upper. Even a small crack will let water in. Since the esc sole is sown they won't allow any water in. I've had many barefoot shoes and in every pair the sole glue will fail due to the flexibility. Even on the esc line the glue fails but the stitching holds it watertight.
Yes, good point. I won't be buying more Vivos without the stitching.
Fully agree on not needing ankle support. I remember being confused by that going into highschool basketball, everyone else was complaining about ankle pain. I had been playing daily since I was 5 on the most minimal low top shoes I could get in the 80s and 90s, so I never had that issue. Have always hated wearing shoes, so the barefoot shoe fad has been a lifesaver.
However having tall boots on the trail is nice for the waterproof factor and SOME snake protection. Here in TX, I have come across western, and eastern diamondbacks, timber rattlers, desert Massasaugas, copperheads and a lot of cotton mouths.
Really helpful video thanks Chase. I transitioned to Altra’s a year ago and love the wide toe box and natural foot strike. I’ve been looking into the Vivo’s as an everyday shoe so you’ve definitely given me a nudge to sort that out. Having a desk job, the struggle with tight hips is most definitely real and daily stretching and strength building has become part of my routine now.
Excellent video. I really like your approach, how you connect the pieces together. Its not only a video about shoes, you integrate all the possible weaknesses that could occur when we distance ourself from nature. Really like your videos man. Keep doing the great work! ❤️
This is by far and away the best review of all these shoes I've seen. Especially the way you show how they look on your feet and in action. Have been busy following your exercises. Cheers!
Thanks for the video 🙌 I’m currently using the high ankle Tracker shoe. I agree with you 100% about the ankle support as you explained. The beauty of high boots is still that they keep pine needles and blueberry bushes out of your shoe when hiking in the forests here in the northern parts of Scandinavia and Finland 🤌
Always love to see what your into, you’ve turned me on to a lot of good products. Thank you!
Wow, I feel like you read my mind making this video! I also wear primus trails for day hikes and everyday shoes (including 8+ hour shifts walking on pavement), but as cold, wet winter approaches, I was wondering if I needed cushioned soles both for insulation from the ground and shock absorption on longer hikes/heavier pack days. Super helpful to hear how the leather magnas perform in cold and wet conditions, and the specific pack weight at which you start to miss the cushion. All answers to questions I was just asking myself haha. Thank you!
Really great comparison of some options I am already familiar with and some that I'm looking into. Thanks much!
Thanks brother 🙏
I feel pretty confident with my purchase now
I've sworn by track running shoes since high school, and they worked perfectly at the time since I was very active. I only started experiencing foot pain when I became sedentary. Getting a desk job didn't help, and I started to feel knee and even pain on more intensive runs. Getting into this new job where I'm constantly running around made me realize I had to relearn how to use my body, and while I may not entirely switch to barefoot shoes (I actually enjoy heavier boots when I hike as they feel more protective against non ground related hazards), I completely agree with the need for everyone to increase their own ankle support as well as flexibility throughout the body
From a military background, I want "ankle protection" more than support. My preferred boots were soft all the way up about 8 inches, so not big on support, but they provided some minimal protection. I'd love to see some MOSTLY minimalist military boots (sorry, can't go soft and squishy on the soles, they have to serve some protection from puncture).
Absolutely, lightfighter all the way @BooDamnHoo🫡
This has been a lifesaver, thank you!
Thanks, I was on vivo for new hiking boots/shoes and was struggling to decide between the three you discussed. Your video really helped!
This is a great vid! Super informative
I've been wearing the primus lites for a year now and been hiking in altras. And I love it, it makes so much sense for me to walk in minimal shoes. I just bought the magna trail vegan version for the winter and am really curious how waterproof and warm they wil be (also revivo is a great place if you don't have the money to pay full price) Great video as always, thank you for teaching people about this 😊
This is a must save vlog for me. Thank you greatly Sir!
Chase this is great info. I've been wearing Xero's for about 4 years now. A couple years ago I apparently did a partial planter plate tear and just found out what it was just recently. I've been recently re evaluationg the minimalist shoe wearing. I was glad to see that you still mix Altra in there for certain occasions. I've kind of been an all or nothing Xero user and it might have been my downfall for this injury. Thanks for the approval to switch up shoes depending on the job needed. Thank you!
Really enjoyed the information and your "rant" definitely inspired me that the natural strengthening is the way. Might look into the Vivobarefoot Primus Trail II FG. Thanks mate
Such a great video Chase & so informative. You seem a top bloke too. I’m a converted Vivo wearer even with two knee replacements after a lifetime of running & climbing mountains. I look forward to seeing more . Many thanks fella 👍
Thank you once again for another thoughtful & informative talk. I asked about those luggy magnas on an earlier video, so was pleased when this one came up :~) I agree re: ankle support being kind of a misconception. Strength in the foot & ankle is the real support. The function I see with a higher boot would be impact or scrape protection.
I moved from trail runners to Vibram Fivefingers around 2010, then on to Luna Sandals after I slowly wore thru two pairs of the vibrams. On my second pair of Lunas now, but I'm starting to get more conscious of exposing the tops of my feet so I'm starting to look at Vivos more seriously. So that is to say, great timing with this video.
And yeah, ditto to what you're saying about ankle strength and the paradox of "support" in shoes. I get using heavy, supportive footwear when doing particularly dangerous things (I work around horses and won't wear any barefoot style shoes around), but if the purpose of your activity is to exercise or train or improve fitness then I think people should try to use footwear that is as minimal as possible, all the way down to exercising barefoot if possible (like running on a beach for example).
Great advise, thanks. Found this very interesting.
I knew you'd come around with a full-on video at some point down the trail. You were clearly going that direction. 😄🦶Love to see this.
Thanks for the video! Footwear that covers the ankle will protect you from abrasions from scree, rocks and small boulders, help reduce burs / water from grass or small creeks from soaking your sock,, etc. Maybe not for 'support' but still worthwhile for some trails.
i used to get sore feet and Achilles, tried everything, then went to Merrill barefoot, have never looked back. Totally converted to barefoot shoes. looking to try a pair of vevo trackers as there is a lot of mud in NZ. so thanks for the review it was very helpful.
Very educational. Thank you!
Thinking to switching to barefoot shoes for my everyday routine. I always am barefoot at home. Great video! Thank you!
Great video! I love my Vivo’s and you shown me a few that I’ve not seen
The barefoot theory is definitely on to some great points regarding foot strength and mobility. These concepts to me make sense for being some of the best protection against injury. We often think about the big muscles and big joints and completely overlook the smaller parts of our body. However, high weight and long distance is still a concern for me. Chase, if you've read my other comment on a different video, you'll know I'm a newb and recently failed a hike because I was overweight (pack) and under trained. But my end goal isn't to entirely reduce that weight to ultralight, I want to build back up to that weight capability (within reason). So I think I'm going to try out some of these barefoot principles and start training my feet, but at the end of the day, I have some intended use cases that I will definitely still be using boots for. For me, I think the key is using the boots when needed, but continually training my feet and using more minimal footwear in all other scenarios. And when I say boots, I mean like rigid structural boots. The mid height barefoot shoe is likely not what people are talking about when they are speaking of wanting ankle support, if i were to guess. I have several pairs of boots, oboz and saloman, that most definitely provide actual structural support to my ankles. The problem being, I've been wearing those to much on a daily basis, and they have made my feet lazy. Maybe i'm still just an ignorant newb, but i'm just coming from a different use case. Not everyone is an ultralight hiker. The weight capability I want to develop is for a specific purpose, non-negotiables if you get my drift. Not just a macho thing.
Cheers thank you for the killer info.
great video, thank you!! 🙏🏽
Got the same Primus Trail, also wearing them all the time, on and offroad 😊
Great tips! Thanks!!
12:50 I'm not sure I entirely agree. Even though I have no foot problems, I like the ideas behind the barefoot style shoes and as many others have adapted this style of shoes into my life. Whilst I'm overall happy with my decision, they simply do not feel safe and secure on more technical hikes in the mountains. I tried several times and I just did not have the confidence that I usually have and in this type of terrain there just isn't that much room for error. This experience made me realize the tremendous value of a stiff sole that can act as a platform in more technical terrain. I think this is something that everyone should keep in mind!
After blowing through 2 pairs of altras I recently discovered merrell alpine sneakers....great for rocky terrain and forest service roads and trails. fun video, beautiful trails.............
Wearing superior 5s as I watch this. I love em. Gone try the vivo primus. Thanks for the content.
My wife’s first Altras were running shoes, and they definitely wore out very quickly. But I have three pairs of Altras that I have used a lot, and they have lasted well, although I should emphasize that I have mainly worn them on city walks. I also have the two pairs of Vito BF, but I’m essentially only using the pair with a thicker sole, which are a waterproof boot model. I REALLY like those. The other model is a thin-soled shoe that I don’t use much because I find it too hard for paved surfaces.
Love your videos!
Good Day Chase!
+All of your Videos are Excellent in Detail, but NOT TOO MUCH, to keep Interesting!!
This is the Best Review I have seen on Hiking Footwear and You hit the Two best Shoes I have Decided on for Long Distance Hiking & Training...
I have been Going Barefoot for over 20 years, except when Going to the Store or Work!!! I hate wearing shoes & I now have seen the Light on the Benefit of Barefoot Shoes the past couple weeks...
ALTA Lone Peak 6 (Not the New Version 7)
VIVOBareFoot Primus Trail FG
and eventually the VIVOBareFoot Magna Trail 2
Very Useful and Thank You for a thorough and Detailed Rant! You make it Easy to Follow and Listen & want more Info on the next Topic...
Glad I Found this Video of Your and Hope you All the Best...
Cheers from OH, USA
God Bless my Hiking & Fitness Friend!!!
I got Altra Superiors about a month ago and have been using them for my trail run training. I had Vivo Magna trails a year or so ago and after about month of daily use the rubber sole started separating from the leather were my toes flex so I returned them... I'll have to see how the Altra's hold up but I'm liking them so far for when I want more of a thick stack height. I normally were barefoot sandals or Wildling shoes, which are my favorite barefoot shoes.
For me the ankle support is not to prevent sprains or twists but rather to protect the ankle bone against scrapes and cuts from sharp rocks or fallen tree branches etc. especially where the trail is rough and jagged.
I haven’t heard anyone talk about the Primus Trail SG. They look like they would be great on muddy terrain, and I love the FG version. I just haven’t seen a review on the SG.
Thanks so much for the videos which are the best I've come across. Been watching a while, and dipping my toe (and feet, ankle, knees, hips) into some of your exercises to strengthen and, um, flexibilise, particularly the lower muscles and ligaments. As a 57 year old man, who has been wearing barefoot shoes for the last four years or so, it undoubtedly takes longer to get mountain/hike proof knees and ankles. I'm having to relearn something you always mention...listen to the body. I've moved too fast with some of your suggested exercises, for instance. But never doubted the wisdom behind them.
Personally, I'm doing this for the reasons you often state...to gain and maintain fitness through to my eventual demise. LOL. But I have a specific aim, a long term plan, to go on a very long walk through Europe to Iran when I'm 60, with my travel guitar on my back, playing wee gigs on the way. Story behind that, but that's the plan.
So, you're my main go to for body stuff. I'll likely try one of your paid courses further down the line.
ps. I've got a favourite bare foot shoe, which is kind of a sandal/shoe which I wear for pretty much everything bar weddings and funerals. It's the xero shoes colorado. Perfect for my needs in general, including most of my hiking needs.
Sounds like a good time!
Good luck with your walk to Iran, sounds like it will be epic.
@@ashmaybe9634 Thank you.
Thank you for the video I love barefoot at home but couldn't handle barefoot out, the reason being for example is the stones digging in my foot when I get tired returning to the car this is a killer for me. I am so clumsy hiking but do love merrell moab trail running shoes, your tip on the boot thing really worked for me thanks. I do take note of your video but adapt your advice to fit me.
Thank you for the video and the feedback. Moved to barefoot walking and then hiking on Lunas sandals maybe 3 years ago and definitively not going back to the standard hiking boots or shoes, the sandals actually turn into my daily walk, run, hike shoe. While practicing as well cold exposure the cold is not a big issue as we think. Still considering barefoot shoe or boot for a very cold snowy weather. Lunas last very long, they mould to your foot and yes ankle support is a myth in my opinion; had an ankle surgery and walking barefoot and on Lunas my ankles are very strong.
Just had my second winter season wearing vivo tracker ii’s. I can confirm that cold hasn’t been a problem. Even all day in snow .
This is with the supplied foil type insole and my sealskinz socks
Love the content Chase, great video as usual! How did you find the width of the Merrel long sky 2? I found the previous model veeery narrow. Thanks!
I’ve loved my Xero shoes Terraflex II and Mesa Trail for my backpacking and hiking trips.
Xero Mesa Trails are awesome aren't they?! One of my favourite barefoot shoes! 👍
Great video!
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where can I find trail running shoes made of suede with stitched soles, if any please let me know.
Great. The only problem is that although VB's have a wide toe box they tend to be low volume in the front, that is shaped like a duck's foot. I have owned several styles of them going back to when they were the "Terra Plana" offshoot brand of Clark's (desert boot fame) and found out the hard way the only ones I can wear are those with a stretchy upper in the front, e.g. Ultra's etc. Not gonna spend $250 to find out that the Magna's are too tight, there are now other, more evolved barefoot hiking boots/shoes. Good video, I agree about the so-called "ankle support".
I am not trying to promote Vivo shoes but they now offer a 100 day guarantee.
Can you please help me to decide the size of Vivo shoes I should pick by your experience? What size would you recommend for the Primus Trail II FG? Would you stick to the recommendation by Vivo of 6-14mm allowance? I have to decide between 4mm (44EU) and 10mm (45EU) allowance. It will be my first barefoot shoe, so I am not sure how it will feel like. I plan to use them at work (inside) where I walk a lot and for workouts (calisthenics) at least in the beginning and then when I get use to them maybe for some walks. If I will like them, I plan to buy another shoe for trail running/hiking in the future. If anyone can share the experience with the sizes, I would greatly appreciate it 🙂
The Topo shoes are a great place to start for running/trail hiking as well similar like Altra but do have a 3--5 mm drop on the shoe unlike Altra that is 0--1 mm drop for the entire lineup.
Most minimal brand is actually Xero Shoes, they have the most minimal shoes with most being just the rubber and a sock liner and can get some classic hiking sandals that are even thinner and just this minimal foam rubber outsole. Also the shoes have been rated to last at a minimum for lowest rated models of the distance of NYC to LA or DC to LA, with 3,000 miles to 4,000 miles on the upper end from the brand. They do not give the same rating to the classic 1.5 mm foam rubber trail sandals that use the paracord like attachment but the other trail sandals they do give the minimum rating at the least.
People often forget that New Balance still makes a minimal trail runner and a few non trail minimal running shoes under the Minumus brand. When New Balance first made the shoes was in 2009--2010 back when about the only options for minimal trail running was using the Viberam 5 finger first trail models, Merrel the Vapor Glove as the first true minimal trail model, or using the more durable upper types of Cross Country flats.
You should definitely try XERO shoes, I prefer them over vivos tbh
Great video 👍 just curious though, what toe spreaders do you recommend?
6:40 - A fully leather shoe is one of the best options for summer. (Shoewise, not against sandals of course.) If the inside and the outside is also leather it breathes like nothing else.
I found your previous video really helpful when I was looking at switching. I now have 3 pairs of vivos - primus lite, primus trail and tracker forest esc - and have donated all my old shoes! Covered for pretty much any eventuality here in the UK. Cheers!
I’m still in my 100 day trial for my Primus lite III and based on this I may swap them for the FG trail. How do they compare for you if you are ok to share ?
@@amandaball7116 I got the lite first to test out, then the other two and the trail immediately became my daily pair. The lite were comfy but didn't have quite enough grip, I had to be slightly careful not to slip if I ended up in the woods walking the dog etc. The trail doesn't have that problem at all, they're still really comfy and seem a great all-round option. Hope that helps!
@@JoelAaargh awesome thanks v much. Need to go look to see if they are waterproof altho’ I expect they dry out quickly? I seem to remember someone reviewing either these or another type that said the laces area a pain as they are way too long? Any further insight before I go change them would be great. Similar width/fit to Primus? Thanks so much
@@amandaball7116 I got the trail knit so no def not waterproof but yes quick drying. Has the quick lace system with the toggle, you need to tuck the end under at the bottom but never been a problem. Toe box is possibly slightly more rounded but might be my imagination, still super comfortable!
@@JoelAaargh thanks Joel. Off to seek out my replacement (or second ☺️) pair. My Primus Lite III have been good for the summer so it’s tough to exchange them. Best go look at the bank balance 😉
Recently purchased merrill trail glove 6-narrow but they match my feet. Long and narrow. 😊
Wait did you just like hike up a mountain with a closet full of shoes for a dope background? Respect.
I got some Xero genesis sandals and love walking around in them , super minimal hopefully I can work up to some vivos or altras for some proper hiking
great video
I used to use Minimis for tai chi. Interesting assortment.
Wow well timed video. I just got ordered a pair of primus trails. Could you share any insight on sizing, how much space infront of the toe would you recommend? Should I allow extra room for multiday hikes?
(dont need to read this part) I've honestly forgotten how shoes should "fit". I gave up on shoes 10years ago and often went hiking barefoot or in barefoot sandals.
Well said. The Merrell Vapour Glove 3 and 4 are awesome barefoots too. Noticed you avoided commenting on the Vivo Tracker FG2, kind of glad you didn't recommend that boot as it has very common and unresolved issue with the sole delaminating from the boot with a couple of months. The ESC seems the business though so far
Yes, I love the look and feel of the Tracker FG2 but the sole started coming off the leather after just a month 😔
I've found low stack height and decent tread for loose-surface traction to be the hardest thing to find. Merrell Trail Glove 4 continue to be my favorite with a fraction the stack height of Altra Lone Peaks. (Avoiding the newer generations of TG that have that horrible overbuilt "support".) Wish they lasted longer though, as with any sticky rubber!
The trail gloves have been my go-to recommendation for both beginner and all purpose minimalist hiking/running shoes, it's a shame the latest version doesn't live up to that. I might give Xero a try for value, though idk how they compare with Vivo for durability.
great video Chase! I’ve switched to barefoot mostly thanks to your videos
However, could you help me with a quick question. I have a snowshoeing weekend coming up and was wondering if the magnas forest esc are a good idea.
I’m worried that the soles are too flexible and the guide advised high boots ( he said the snowshoes bindings could cause some pain on the upper foot or ankle
Have you tried snowshoeing with these boots?
Many thanks! Cheers
Walk 100% Altra timp for a year now
Hiked over 1000 km without any knee pain.
Did took a while to get used to
I used the Magna Forrest ESC for hiking both the Canadian Rockies and the jungle of Corcovardo in Costa Rica. Great shoes! Not the best for river crossings. But nothing is when the water gets knee deep! 😂😅
How is it in hot summers? 20-30c?
After some transition I switched all my shoes to barefoot last year and haven’t looked back, I feel like I’m evolving somehow 😆. I’ve had a recent bout of metatarsalgia I’m my right foot, I’m pretty sure this is due to poor mobility in my ankle so currently working on that.
Great video. I wear homemade sandals in summer on pavement or trails or off trail in woods. In winter I wear Merrell bare access even at -30C. I’m surprised you didn’t mention the bare access. It’s a great minimalist shoe that’s super light, nice and wide, not fluffy like Hoka or Altra, wears well, and is very inexpensive.
Are BareAccess still available on the market. Mine are definitely worn out and I'm turning on TrialGlove.
@@albertopi1950 no I’m afraid they aren’t any more. The trail glove is a good shoe but more minimalist and therefore not as easy on rocky trails
@@jamesmungall6669 indeed
Thanks for the video!
How far are you hiking each day on vivos? I just did a 100mile hike covering about 20miles a day and second half of the day the balls of my feet and my heels were very sore to walk on (especially on gravel, concrete or tarmac)… it didn’t feel like any muscles in my foot were tired, it felt more like there just wasn’t enough cushion under the points which had contact with the ground.
Do you get this? Do your feet get used to it?
Great video mate thanks a bunch. I was torn between the trail glove and the primus fg but I think the primus looks like a better all-rounder, peak then pub shoe.😉
I just wish that vivo would do the Magna forest without using leather.
I have some rock climbing shoes made by wild country with the kitchen rubber though and it performs really well.
Also I've used sportiva lycan 2's as my transition trainer, super wide toe box on those.
I’ve been into the altra for a few years & heaps of barefoot time but finding something vegan and waterproof has been challenging for the trail.
Vivo has vegan options :)
been wearing a pair of lems primal 2 for about 18 months as daily drivers, love them to bits. also have a couple pairs of altra trail runners.. the most minimalist are the merrel vapour gloves which are awesome for lifting in.... the only thing lacking is a zero drop pair of work boots which i would love
How good are the Primal 2 for trail running? I love Lems boulder boot, but the lugs are not big enough for rocky or muddy trails. Vivo Forest Esc or Tracker FG might be good work boot options depending on what you need.
@@MichaelChelen hi um i dont think they would be overly good for trail running, they are great for walking though.... unfortunately i need a steel toecap boot for work... the boulder boot is on my hit list to buy for winter... cant put a price on warm dry feet
@@MichaelChelen Lems has finally made a Boulder Boot version with an offroad sole. Check it out! Probably the perfect minimalist hiking boot. They also have the Outlander hiking boot (where the offroad sole comes from).
@@CptAngelADVlogs Oh awesome! I hadn't seen the outlander before, that also looks really nice and having the lugs on the Boulder could be an ideal combo for either trails or walking around town. Have you had a chance to try either of them yet? I heard that the soles on Trailhead were overly stiff, not sure if that was the case for any other models.
@@MichaelChelen Yeah they're awesome. I wish I could but I'm in Europe and they don't have an EU warehouse or an affordable shipping option for here yet. The tariffs would kill me.
It's leather and it's minimalist so it should break in nicely over time.
A hack if you live in the desert southwest. The thin soles of both my vivo barefoot and my xero shoes hikers do not stand up to thorns, especially the one inch mesquite thorns! I had some leftover Mr Tuffy liner for my 4" x 20" bike tires. Cut out insoles from the liner and holes in my feet have been drastically reduced. Not, perfect protection, but much better. Don't feel like I lost much ground feel either.
I've been wearing the Primus trail fg for a couple of years now. The soles are pretty worn but they are holding up well. I massively shortened their lifespan by scrambling in them. I really want a pair of Magnas but I might need to buy another pair of Primus trail first as they are my literal everyday shoe
You can get them refreshed using the Revivo service? I had my trackers back within a month and they were like new.
@@haroldvonschwartzenstien3581 I looked into that and they don't do it with Primus models (and some others, basically any with mesh in the upper) which I'm pretty upset about since the Primus are some of their flagship models.
I think I'll get a pair of Magna next
@@CaptainBrash bugger...
I like the my original Trackers like, but I've heard the newer ones aren't as good quality.
I wore army boots nearly all my life. I had ankle, knee, hip and lower back pain until I got acclimated to barefoot shoes. Still in recovery but every day is better than the last. Hint; I am 66. My favorite shoe is; WHITIN Men's Minimalist Trail Runner (amazon) with a Dr. Scholl's heavy duty support insole.
Doesn't the Scholls support defeat the purpose ?
Hey chase, I have the merrel vapor gloves and I'm pretty happy with them, have you tried them out? The luna ltr version. They're relatively cheap for a barefoot shoe as well!
A friend of mine uses saguaro and he's pretty happy with that as well
tbh I bought mine just to try this out and now I can't wear anything else, my feet feel "happy" when I'm wearing barefoot shoes. And I cringe a bit when I see super narrow shoes with a thicc af sole knowing now what that implies for the feet. Still looking for an everyday more fashionable pair though, be lenkas and lems are on my radar
EDIT: Any thoughts on the lone peak by altra?
Hi there, thx for this guide video - I got some ideas out it ;)
You mentioned ski boots, so I guess you are a skier? I'd like to hear your opinion on how to deal with skiboots once your foot has adapted to barefoot/wider style shoes.
I began walking barefoot and with my first barefoot shoe (vivo Primus lites) during the day in the office only a few weeks ago but I already can't wear most of my shoes anymore since the lack of width is too painful, so now I'm really scared if I'll fit into my Snowboardboots again this winter or if I will experience a lot of pain.
Do you simply size up your ski boots? I don't know the market for skiboots but for snowboardboots, there are not a lot oy wide option and the ones there are, are not really wide enough for most...
I only discovered a few years ago because of Snowboarding that I have wide feet, not extremely wide bute wider than normal (I'm an E-width), I guess that's why I find barfeoot shoes so comfortable - my feet finally have room to the sides... Two years back I found Adidas boots which are pretty wide so they worked for my wider feet but I'm not sure if they still fit me now that ma feet experienced wider barefoot shoes...
Would love to hear your take on that...
I love the Forest Esc, for me the ankle height is not at all about ankle support but to protect from water and abrasions.
Have you used it in 20-30c?
@@HenryKlosok Yes, but the boot itself is not insulated so I had to use thick socks + liner socks for those temps. For me that was a good balance of groundfeel and warmth.
I meant hiking around 20 to 30c (70 to 85 fahrenheit). Ideally, I will use my Primus trails for hot days if it’s not too extreme ground
@@HenryKlosok Ah ok got it, yes I found them comfy for warmer weather hikes if you need the water resistance, they are more breathable than most waterproof shoes I've tried. On warm dry days I usually switch to Primus Trail FG just because Forest Esc are overkill.
As a long term runner athlete and through hiker and an even longer term coach, I have been in contact with thousands of athletes in the last 20 years. In addition I also worked for many years in a running store as a sales specialist. What I can clearly say that since 2005 and the arrival of quality textile, quality thermo welding, high tensile glues and so, the durability of shoes has greatly increased.
When we talk about durability of material, we talk about type of use, biomechanics and circumstances. We just cannot say, that this or that is not or is a durable shoe. It really depends. Normally a running shoe is designed for a certain distance like up to a marathon, than should be rested for 48 to 72 hours to regain structural integrity. Even better, cycle more often and rest them for 96 hours . This way shoes can be worn for way longer.
Using running shoes for walking ? Yes that changes everything.
With a heavy back pack ? Yes that changes everything.
Have an itch in that gait while walking or running ? Someone who is threading lightly like a ninja will use shoes 3 times longer.
You can a have a 0.5mm unnoticeable slide in your stride, your Altras will last instead 900miles, only 150, and the grip from the superior will fall into pieces. I had superiors falling apart from the GR20 in simply 4 days. I used once a Peregrine out of the box on a 20hour scrambling outing and the shoe got destroyed totally on one single run. On the other side, I used the same Sup 4 or Sup 5 for over 1000km in normal conditions and once went over 1200km in the Peregrin 6. I also had the first edition of X-Talon 212 and used it for over 5 years, while others were complaining peeling off layers and shredded outsole lugs.
It all depends on the person and the circumstances. We cannot say that it is durable or not, simply because it felt apart on a 15 day hike. However, you can say, that for the type of terrain and the type of movements you are exercising are not corresponding to Altra or any other shoes. However, they are good for something else.
Anyone know what shirt that is? The patagonia cool daily hoody? Very helpful video btw, like the idea of a minimalistic shoe. Can't stand heavy hiking boots.
Great video!! Thinking of the Magna Forest for summer hike on the GR20. Have Primus Lite II for the gym but it’s another step to hiking! Any advice welcome. Doing 4 days I think so not the whole thing.
How are the magnas forests in 20-30c?
Chase. I was born with some foot abnormalities one being my feet are totally flat with both talus bones almost flat on the floor. I've avoided the minimalist shoes because of this. Currently, I am working barefoot to improve my ankle mobility and strength, but not ready to get rid of my Oboz yet!! Suggestions??
hello Chase Mountains. Have you or do you recommend the Altra Superior 6 trail running shoe ? Thank you
Absolutely love my altras...hate how fast they deteriorate
Beautiful trail footage featured in the "a shoe for every trail" section. Where were these taken? I'm hoping you say Spain/France and I can go and hike there. I like light y exposed trails. And if you like these geological "sideways" formations, I recommend you exploring the Vall de Lord and the area between the area of Olvan and Vilada (Santa Maria de la Quar, etc)
You’re in luck. That’s footage from the western end of the HRP :) right on the border
I wonder if you have tried Freet. I just got the Freet Ibex. I haven’t had much time to try it out yet but I love the feet and feel. Some people say Vivos are a bit narrower than Freet so I went with Freet because my feet are very wide.
A good place to start is price. I saw a review on the Bearfoot URSA hiking shoe and checked it out: ~$500. That's RIDICULOUS, especially for a "minimalist shoe".
When would it be recommended to wear high cushioned shoes like the Altra Olympus?
I like ankle support because it's comfortable, I never wear anything under a mid
TMB in mid June (so some snow guaranteed..) - would you recommend wearing regular Altras ? Waterproof ? Or perhaps I should stick to regular hiking shoes ?
Been wearing vivos day-to-day since roughly September but I do have a desk job... In February went to Patagonia and been hiking in Salomon's (Quest 4D GTX) - my feet were boiled. Also shoes didn't feel as comfortable as before - wonder if it's because I'm getting used to the wide toe box now. I have sized up from the same model than my old ones too.. Also - i do have flat feet, b-unions and my left foot is a full size smaller than right. 😅
I have the same, let's call it disability to wear one shoe too often :D, but i simply enjoy it and it lets me appreciate the shoe way more. I wanted to ask you something though, let me know when you have the time. Thank you, have a great day/night.
What do you think about alpine trail running/ scrambling in a more barefoot shoe? I've done it in my Salomon sense pro 4 and I've been running in Merrell barefoot shoes for about 2 years. Should I consider getting something more protective like the altra superior or would I be ok in something like the Vivo tracker or Xero Mesa trail?
I'm going backpacking in Mexico, Belize and Guatemala for a month in November. So basically long days of hiking with a pretty heavy backpack.
Still doubting if I should just wear my vivo primus trail FG's or get me a pair of Altra's just to dampen the weight of my pack a bit. Any suggestions?
Chase, have you ever worn barefoot sandals on the trail? I’ve been recently turned onto Earth Runners sandals. Beyond being barefoot they are conductive and ground you as you walk. I don’t hit the trail nearly the way that you do, but I’d be curious about what you think.
The only support you need in a shoe is around the ankle. Arch support is not only unnecessary, but detrimental.
*Also: Hokas are NOT wide. 😂 They're just as narrow as conventional shoes. The difference is that the SOLE is wider (not the inside of the shoe).
A good and informative video as always 🙂
I always try to wear, if not barefoot shoes, then at least minimal shoes with wide toe box and minimal support. Except in the winter, where I have tried using the VivoBarefoot Magna Trail with the winter insole. However, that did not work for me in Scandinavia; my feet where freezing, eventhough I was wearing woolen socks.
Now I am planning on going to Kilimajaro, and everywhere the recommendation for footwear is (not surprisingly) normal, sturdy hiking boots, which I think seems quite excessive.
I do own the Altra Lone Peak 5 All Weather boots, and I recently completed a 50 km. hike in the shoe version without any ankle or knee problems.
Does anyone have any experience for similar trips, and what did you wear on your feet?
Also looking for warmer boots in Swedish cold waether, I wonder if the Forest ESC would be better due to the beefier sole? Did you find a better alternative? Xero has some options to.