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  • @Mistertunk
    @Mistertunk 4 роки тому +22

    I really like the extra insight Dan brings to the table. Whenever the 9dan pro's play a move, I really need Dan to say whether he agrees with that move or not. How else would I know it was a good move? Those high pitched screecks just gives you that knowledge boost that you need when learning go.

  • @BTHobbies
    @BTHobbies 9 років тому +135

    I suspect everyone would learn more if Dan listened more and spoke less. Dan included.

    • @ashermccord
      @ashermccord Рік тому

      Wicked burn, bro, yet accurate.

  • @annojance
    @annojance 7 років тому +17

    The lesson I learned from this video is that Nick Sibicky is the true Stone Buddha. Dan was extra obnoxious in this video and Nick was extra calm in response.

  • @ragzouken
    @ragzouken 8 років тому +40

    first glimpse of dan on camera, the mystery is ruined

  • @mitchumsport
    @mitchumsport 9 років тому +22

    I have to admire the patience, smoothness, and focus Nick has here. I understand that teaching adults from varied backgrounds is different sort of challenge than teaching in high school or in a more 'normalized' educational environment. Even if his handling wasn't perfect, it was better than I could do, and certainly a few marks better than adequate. It's not as though other students couldn't ask questions or the lesson came to a halt. I think the upshot that's underrated by some here is that Nick maintains safety by not directly cutting the student down (though he does sneak in a jab at 1:25:29?) It's easy to take classroom safety for granted on the internet. It's said that great teachers explode only on the inside.
    One of the interesting things we get into with a video on the internet is that one could decide one isn't so much watching a video on Go as we are on Nick's teaching, or his fashion choices, etc. Context is what we make of it. That is to say I'm not overly sympathetic to those who couldn't get much out of this video because Nick's focus successfully redirected much of the immature questioning into what could be said about the position at that moment... that is to say he educated us, especially those of us who may have had a similar question as the disruptive student. As a fairly weak player myself I often have lingering questions which I generally think it is up to me and the resources at my disposal to flush out. This is particularly true given that I am a free subscriber on the internet. In this sense I am quite thankful for the teacher's technique used here. I think there's quite a bit of value on offer in this lesson.
    I've been studying endgame a little lately, so I wish there was more coverage of that portion, particularly what was done in 1:08:10 to 1:19:20. But I'm not a paying member, and as much as I wish a certain classmate had more respect for others' desire to take this lesson, I'm not about to disrespect him by asserting that my education is more important than his. In the end I trust the teacher to set the norms and expectations for student behavior.

    • @seapanda7887
      @seapanda7887 8 років тому

      +mitchumsport 1:25:29 is just a quote from south park.

  • @DasBreitschwert
    @DasBreitschwert 9 років тому +37

    That's what happens when you put a Dan in a Kyu class :) His interruptions were undirected and felt like "just because" to say something. Also his tone of voice made him sound dismissive when Nick actually showed his train of thought, but that might be a misjudgement on my part.
    Questions are fine and should be welcome in these situations, but they should be questions, not postulations of your own opinion as fact without any substance to support them. Arguing with feeling as a kyu player is a bad habit, because you should learn why you feel something, not be blindly guided by your feeling.
    "I feel this position is bad for me" is a statement, but "I feel this position is bad for me, because I have two cuts left that need protection" or "...i have much less potential than my opponent" are much better statements that a dan player can help you assess your feelings with. You don't just say "My position sucks, I can't deal with this". No one would know where to start help you with that, because they don't know why you are unhappy with a situation. Probably because you as a player yourself are not sure why you are unhappy with it, as there is a lack of knowledge to have a correct feeling anyway.
    Edit: Corrected typo.

  • @Hunter688
    @Hunter688 9 років тому +61

    normally i can almost tolerate dan, but i can't even finish this video :/

    • @Baobei666
      @Baobei666 9 років тому +5

      Hunter688 Stopped at 15:00 ...

    • @BTHobbies
      @BTHobbies 9 років тому +4

      Sleeping_Banana I tapped out around 55 minutes. It became too much.

    • @yagzyalcntas553
      @yagzyalcntas553 3 роки тому

      @@Baobei666 14:21 close enough.. :D

    • @yagzyalcntas553
      @yagzyalcntas553 3 роки тому

      @@BTHobbies wtf he doesnt stop until then??

  • @damage_glitch
    @damage_glitch 8 років тому +38

    People like Dan are the reason i cannot teach.

    • @mitchellmckain8373
      @mitchellmckain8373 6 років тому +4

      Yeah... when I teach, I tend to put student like that in their place and that doesn't go over too well in our "customer is always right" society.

  • @rustythoughts
    @rustythoughts 6 років тому +3

    I want to like this twice, once because for me as a DDK it's a great game with a really clear accessible commentary from Nick, and once again because Nick is a gentleman with the patience of a saint. I've learned two lessons, one about Go, and one about being a better teacher.

  • @bmoon5342
    @bmoon5342 9 років тому +10

    i am 5 dan AGA, and Nick is 4dan, but it's still fun to watch, and I think he is doing something great to American go society.

  • @kite973
    @kite973 9 років тому +29

    Lee Chang-ho is my favourite player, and I was really looking forward to this lecture. Unfortunately Dan ruined it, and I had to stop...
    It's been this way with every video featuring Dan.

  • @mathewtung1367
    @mathewtung1367 9 років тому +2

    among all your lectures, this really helped me - I realise that there is no need to be greedy! just one lecture and I improved my standing. Thanks and keep it UP.

  • @kevinpark5489
    @kevinpark5489 9 років тому +13

    I consider Lee Changho one of the best Go player ever existed. The reason modern Go evolved to be hyper aggressive is because the whole Go evolved around 'how to beat Lee Changho' during the 90s.

    • @TheClassicWorld
      @TheClassicWorld 8 років тому

      +Kevin Park Not even sure how his mind is so great - I am assuming his mind is absurd with logic and Go understanding.

  • @serge9984
    @serge9984 7 років тому +13

    who is the guy that keep interrupting Dan ?

  • @IIIlllyyyccchhh
    @IIIlllyyyccchhh 9 років тому +22

    that guy makes it really hard to enjoy this video

  • @ehtikhet
    @ehtikhet 9 років тому +3

    Such stoic patience Nick...
    Awesome game to review as well, I really enjoy watching classic play styles, many of the modern pro games I have reviewed give me a panic attack!

  • @Shady_Lane
    @Shady_Lane 9 років тому +88

    who's the know-it-all? is he drunk? so annoying

    • @kyuuzoryuusuke
      @kyuuzoryuusuke 9 років тому +21

      Shady Lane yeah i admire Nick's patience

    • @olleicua
      @olleicua 9 років тому +9

      Yeah, I couldn't watch it. I actually was frustrated that Nick didn't tell him to shut up because I found it too distracting.

    • @LoganGraba
      @LoganGraba 9 років тому +13

      Shady Lane Classic Dan

    • @Songfugel
      @Songfugel 9 років тому +7

      Shady Lane It's Dan the troll

    • @Baobei666
      @Baobei666 9 років тому +2

      Shady Lane Also is someone eating in the beginning of the video? what are those scrapping noise?

  • @olleicua
    @olleicua 9 років тому +27

    Nick Sibicky I usually enjoy your lectures but I had to stop 15 minutes into this one because I found the guy interrupting you to be too distracting. I understand that your first obligation is to the students in the room with you but would you mind asking him to shut up? I really wanted to learn about Li Chang Ho.

  • @TriangleTrinity
    @TriangleTrinity 8 років тому +6

    If I attended these lectures I'd always be saying "Dammit, Dan!" Kinda funny tho

  • @songbirdo
    @songbirdo 9 років тому +8

    See...I don't think Dan was *that* bad in this video when compared to some of the earlier ones. His distractions were front-loaded and I would encourage those that stopped within the first 20 minutes to continue.

    • @LoganGraba
      @LoganGraba 9 років тому +1

      Songbirdo What are some of the earlier lectures you are referencing? I would like to watch them.

    • @alexrockwell2411
      @alexrockwell2411 9 років тому +7

      Songbirdo I think I've watched every video and Dan was worst in this one by FAR. It was the only one I got annoyed enough to stop watching. He needs to be banned from future lectures, he pretty much ruined this one.

  • @christopheradams727
    @christopheradams727 6 років тому +5

    Why can't Nick ban Dan from the building?

  • @SedoKai
    @SedoKai 9 років тому +8

    you have an unbelievable amount of patience, sir. I can't explain basic things to or deal with interruptions from weaker players over and over like you do without getting incredibly irritated.

  • @noahdoss1967
    @noahdoss1967 9 років тому +3

    Love Lee Changho, would love to study, maybe Nick only subtitles would be nice and I could watch it on mute while listening to music, would kind of solve two of my problems at once...

  • @Asphalt_Ship
    @Asphalt_Ship 9 років тому +20

    Yeah if someone could actually crush this old guy with a passive playstyle in a game that'd be great. Maybe he'll shut his mouth so I can concentrate on what Nick's saying. gdi that's annoying as hell! >

  • @mikedio2857
    @mikedio2857 9 років тому +10

    Why they let the madman be there??

  • @kenshin767
    @kenshin767 9 років тому

    Nice video. I remember reviewing this game in 2005. It never gets old how awesome it is.

  • @MrGoom11
    @MrGoom11 8 років тому +22

    Dan is super annoying in this video...

  • @opiumfish13
    @opiumfish13 9 років тому +6

    Great video. Learned a lot. That old dude on the left was mad obnoxious though. Kept interrupting with useless commentary.

  • @dantescanline
    @dantescanline 9 років тому +2

    Nick, you're a saint :)

  • @呂昆霖-d4d
    @呂昆霖-d4d 7 років тому

    Like Nick's smile so much. Make the game easy and fun!

  • @Fanaro
    @Fanaro 9 років тому +7

    How drunk was that guy? lol

  • @RatatRatR
    @RatatRatR 7 років тому +3

    11:10 -- barely 10% through the video -- this guy in the crowd is officially impudent, dragging his noisy-ass food bowl up to block the camera and argue about the board position. Then he mutters, "Let's just see what happens." Gee, do you think so? Might that be why you're sitting and watching the teacher demonstrate the game that he's chosen to show you?

  • @FischerOratoria
    @FischerOratoria 6 років тому +1

    15:09 THE BEST MOMENT

  • @Disosway
    @Disosway Рік тому

    42:50 is amazing. This whole sequence is amazing. Love the idea of defending cuts by threatening the already in place cutting group.
    But holy shit I thought people were giving dan a hard time again, cause usually it isn’t that bad, but it was that bad. Does he think he’s stronger than Nick? Why go to his class if you’re gonna disagree with him on everything.

  • @michaelorlev9925
    @michaelorlev9925 4 роки тому

    Anyone know what game this is? How can I find the kifu?

  • @JW-yc3ub
    @JW-yc3ub 8 років тому

    at 44:11, why didn't black play 14-16, forcing the white to block the escape route, and then atari to secure the left side of the framework?

  • @burhan8795
    @burhan8795 9 років тому +1

    Nick, do you have longer versions of the beginning and ending soundtracks of your videos?

  • @andriypredmyrskyy7791
    @andriypredmyrskyy7791 3 роки тому +2

    The title refers to Nick.

  • @TakanashiYuuji
    @TakanashiYuuji 9 років тому +1

    Thanks NIck

  • @busyhoneybee4517
    @busyhoneybee4517 8 років тому

    Lee changho is outfighter, while Lee sedol is infighter.

  • @derekshepard9525
    @derekshepard9525 7 років тому

    What's the most effective way to memorize a pro game?

  • @khornekharnath1893
    @khornekharnath1893 9 років тому +2

    great lesson as always, thnx alot!

  • @smrgLucas
    @smrgLucas 9 років тому +1

    how can you eat soup with chopsticks?

    • @philipripper1522
      @philipripper1522 9 років тому +3

      Lucas Samaruga With wooden chopsticks, the moisture will eventually be wicked up them, and if you have the patience of a stone buddha, you could probably have your soup that way.

  • @RatatRatR
    @RatatRatR 7 років тому

    Man, if I were teaching this crowd, I would institute some policy like "only pausing for your comments every now and then, when I want to." Otherwise, shut up and let me show you the game I chose.

  • @lukeo.6681
    @lukeo.6681 9 років тому +6

    It is somewhat disappointing to see so many negative comments from players of a game partly about respect and enlightenment, directed towards the class-member in the video. Interaction is a large part of learning go, and it would be unfair to request the students present to restrain their inquiries for those of us watching online. Instead of describing the behavior as simply "annoying", i recommend listening to the suggestions, listening to the teachers response and using it as a further learning experience. And trust the teacher to gently redirect or control comments once he feels it is not constructive towards the lesson.

    • @BTHobbies
      @BTHobbies 9 років тому +15

      Luke Otfinowski
      Interacting and engaging is wonderful for learning. Many times the students interrupted the presentation to ask questions or get more clarification on points they don't understand.
      That's very different from interrupting to assert, without any evidence or justification, that the teacher is wrong, or that the consensus of professional opinion (as related by the teacher) is wrong. Dan isn't asking questions; he's interjecting his unfounded opinions. That doesn't help his learning, the learning of anyone in the classroom with him, or the learning of those of us watching online.

    • @lukeo.6681
      @lukeo.6681 9 років тому +3

      Brian Terrel That may be true Brian. Nonetheless doesn't it make you feel ill at ease reading all the things people posted that they would never resort to saying if they were there, in person.
      We all know that youtube comments are where respectful discourse goes to die, but i would like to think this channel is a rare respite from the norm..

    • @BTHobbies
      @BTHobbies 9 років тому +15

      Luke Otfinowski
      People on the internet are, generally, jerks. See the GIFT. It doesn't exactly make me ill at ease; it's just what happens.
      I've been in classes with folks like Dan, and I've taught classes with students like Dan. If they aren't shut down, they will absolutely destroy the learning process for everyone else present. Folks here are sending the signal to Nick that not enough is being done on that front. That signal is being amplified a bit because of the nature of the internet. While that may be unfortunate, I'm glad that signal is being sent.
      I would add that I think it is a deficiency of our cultural norms that nobody in the room felt empowered to tell Dan to knock it off. Far to many excellent learning opportunities are squandered because nobody is willing to shut down someone's misplaced ego. I really sympathize with Nick here. Teaching with that sort of student in the room is incredibly frustrating.

    • @lukeo.6681
      @lukeo.6681 9 років тому +3

      Brian Terrel
      I have not been in that sort of position as a teacher, so i am unqualified to say anything on that front. Though as an observer i think Nick handled it well. As a student, or viewer, i would have been made much more uncomfortable if a student was reprimanded out front, either by the teacher or another student. I am sure words were exchanged off-camera, and truly we do not know the dynamic that is there in the classroom.
      All that aside, as you have said, the internet can truly be cruel.
      Hope your game is improving! What rank do you hover around and where do you play

    • @olleicua
      @olleicua 9 років тому +7

      Luke Otfinowski I normally agree with you but in this situation Dan is actively preventing a large number of people (not just the people in the room but also everyone here on UA-cam) from gaining anything from the hard work that Nick put in to prepare for this lecture. Many UA-cam comment threads suffer from commenters disrespecting content creators who worked hard to provide free content. You are correct that this channel ought not work that way and it doesn't. Nick has worked hard to create this lecture and it has been ruined by a troll. It just so happens that the troll wasn't on the internet, he was in the room, actively ruining the video.

  • @Xpertman213
    @Xpertman213 8 років тому +3

    Dan's the real MVP

  • @totalhenry
    @totalhenry 9 років тому

    My dream is for you one day to say that tengen is a good move. That being said if Lee Sedol played Tengen you would say that it is a good move so how come when I 14kyu like me please it I get yelled out :)

  • @mitchellmckain8373
    @mitchellmckain8373 6 років тому +2

    Dan is ruining this lecture series for me. I don't know how much more of that I can take before I lose interest altogether.

    • @mitchellmckain8373
      @mitchellmckain8373 6 років тому +1

      I think I would prefer commercials. At least the commercials stop.

  • @BucketBauce
    @BucketBauce 2 роки тому +1

    Dan pretty badly needs an ego check

  • @WOok2a
    @WOok2a 8 років тому +1

    Dan!!

  • @peterlee3046
    @peterlee3046 5 років тому

    i really would love another video of this game because dan was just too distracting

  • @sportsmen4569
    @sportsmen4569 3 роки тому

    I stand it to 1:02:05 ... I think I have done great :3

  • @hironakae
    @hironakae 9 років тому

    rofl was that ramen??

  • @adambirch6466
    @adambirch6466 9 років тому +14

    I'm incredibly disappointed with the tenor of the comments on this video. Nick records and uploads these lectures for free and is under no obligation to do so. Again, these lectures are here, for you, for free. The people in the room at the Go center are the reason these lectures exist in the first place and a little respect is in order. If you have concerns about the quality of the videos, a polite email to Nick might be appropriate, making fun of and deriding one of his students in the comments is obviously not. You're Go players, behave like it.

    • @philipripper1522
      @philipripper1522 9 років тому

      Adam Birch Thank you.

    • @RatatRatR
      @RatatRatR 7 років тому +21

      "a little respect is in order."
      That's actually the same point the commenters are making.

    • @tyrvaldfenrischain7967
      @tyrvaldfenrischain7967 6 років тому +3

      RatatRatR I agree - if I felt taken out of the game and disjointed, then must not the other students also be losing out? There is a considerable amount of material to go over, and sometimes lengthy, constant, or insubstantial interruptions aren't helpful.

  • @Tristram27
    @Tristram27 7 років тому +1

    Dan ruined this video! xD

  • @requireloginisstupid
    @requireloginisstupid 6 років тому

    Shush dan!

  • @mueezadam8438
    @mueezadam8438 6 років тому

    49:18

  • @StopFear
    @StopFear 9 років тому +1

    Guys, these are good lectures. In fact some of the best in English anywhere. But you need to tone down on the humor and constant hehe, haha, stuff. It makes it very difficult to follow and is irritating. If you watch professional chess instruction videos , most of the teachers are serious and focused on the game. Maybe alternate some lectures with humor and others with less humor.

  • @dominikboviz7321
    @dominikboviz7321 9 років тому

    This is the first time i watch Nick's video.
    His style of talking, etc is very annoying, idk if its just me...
    I have no idea of his rank. I think he says so many times stupid things, about what is bad or good, maybe he is just joking, but if not...

    • @NickSibicky
      @NickSibicky  9 років тому +12

      Dominik Bővíz
      I'm definitely a little annoying!

    • @dominikboviz7321
      @dominikboviz7321 9 років тому

      Nick Sibicky
      I will detail what im talking about, because i dont want to be rude. Your style is one thing, but on other videos i checked now, it wasnt that annoying. I just watched the beginning and the end of this video, two things i saw: you were criticizing the left side of white, in the start of the game, it may look not so good, but the tiger-mouth-keima has a big influence, thats why it was good. At the end of the video, you were talking about how bad the sanrensei plus light 4th line base on the left formation is, but why? It is completely good, influence style opening, even if it isnt popular nowadays.
      Anyway, in the very start of the game, I think saying something is BAD, is just wrong, if it is not the second or first line for the first move...

    • @TakanashiYuuji
      @TakanashiYuuji 9 років тому +2

      Dominik Bővíz I think your level of understanding of the game might surpass the benefit for kyu players.
      Nick is a 5-dan player and his lectures are aimed at double digit kyus.
      I don't think I quite understand your criticism of Nick's analysis of the sanrensei. Lee Chang Ho loses the game so there is probably something wrong with it.
      You mention it's a good influence opening, but Lee Chang Ho doesn't play for influence, maybe that causes some friction?

    • @Hedopom
      @Hedopom 9 років тому

      TakanashiYuuji Nick is a 5d player? If losing a game makes an opening bad, then every opening is bad. Saying it is BAD opening is wrong for sure, since it was only a very few moves, and it was a joseki, and a sanrensei. You may say it is not popular nowadays, but maybe it will be in 2030... The best move in your game is always the move that makes you win your own game, and if we talk about kyu players then it is even more suspicious to say this opening is just bad.

    • @TakanashiYuuji
      @TakanashiYuuji 9 років тому +1

      Hedopom sanrensei isn't bad, but combining it with the formation on the left side of the board is. That is how I interpret Nick's explanation. Either formation isn't bad per se, just the combination.
      Considering this is a pro-game review I'm sure Nick did his homework. I accept that Lee Chang Ho's openings are considered bad as fact.
      I disagree that the best move is the move that makes you win the game. Go isn't about winning games, it's about learning. Figuring out what, objectively, is the best move. There might be a move where your opponent flounders and wins you the game. That's not the sort of move I'd be willing to learn though.