Chatting with Athene
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- Dr. K talks with Athene for our viewers.
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Athene is a controversial figure in the gaming world. People say he is a cult leader, he uses charity as a "charity shield." There have been many claims about Athene, but what does it mean? What is real and false?
In this video, Dr. K touches with the controversy and brings up the idea of narcissism.
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Other than Mitch Jones, who do we reach out to next? We rely on you, the viewers, as a direction
Ice Poseidon PLEASE. He's not on Twitch and he's banned from it but needs it the most. By far.
39daph, lilypichu
Jon Zherka, he's proud of his ego...I really want you to examine him doc!
HealthyGamerGG moonmoon and pokelaws
Big Lenny from Delray Misfits
first 40 minutes was like two protection-spec warriors dueling each other
2 arms warrior from MOP with second wind!!!
2 blood DKs right now
@@travisandfreddy2176 TRU
More like two priests dueling eachother
Try two Holy Paladins. But only one can be the best Pala in the world.
Athene's response to the "ego of having no ego" question was almost poetic how perfect an illustration of the problem it was. Really appreciate this episode
i think ram dass once said something like "trying to get rid of your ego, now that's the biggest ego trip of them all."
ego is something which comes from society, it is artifificial and very very harmful to the natural world
At that moment you can see bit of dr K’s ego come out. He looks really pleased with himself.
Athene has such a cryptic and convoluted way of speaking. He claims he's using abstractions and analogies to elucidate his point, but all it does is create confusion. Half this episode is just Dr. K trying to teach him to communicate more directly and clearly.
This episode helps me not want to talk a lot ever again lol
Athene: I want to be on the same page.
Dr K: *attempts to get on the same page as Athene*
Athene: *turns page*
🤣
Best comment ;D
Dr. K: can you answer my question
Athene: my feelings are tools to define reality
Dr K:
xDDDDDDDDD
let me give you an example
Thank you, I cried from laughter XD
Rofl
inside Dr K : KEKW
''Wanna go watch a movie?''
Athene: ''It isn't that simple, i don't value movies the same way as you do, but i do care about them''
''So is that a yes?''
Athene: ''Cactus''
Irl lol'ed at the last sentence. Haha
where is the funny? its like you made this typical youtube comment that has the same setup as most other comments but failed, which i guess is okay because u didnt put any effort in it in the first place
@@kiwi5891 woah, calm down there buddy. If you don't like a joke you are free to keep scrolling :)
ofc i am free to keep scrolling but i am also free to comment on ur shitty joke lol, this is the youtube comment section.
if you dont like my comment, just keep scrolling lol
@@kiwi5891 28 people including Rob might disagree with you on that though. But be my guest. Reading comments from people getting angry about UA-cam comments is pretty entertaining too.
So please, keep replying!
30 minutes in, Athene still hasn't managed to answer a single yes or no question. This is so painful to watch. Props to you for having the patience with this guy.
He always reverts to asking questions instead of answering them. Sad to say, but I was expecting him to pull some shit like that.
He's manipulative, if he gives away his feelings on stream his cult might fall apart.
@@ToadzIsTaken no its not true his cult could become more attractive
@@AXharoth Are you an Athenian?
"if i ask a question, can you please answer it" Athene - "but what is a question, are we a question ?"
Mr K. - How was your day?
Athene - I am water. For example, if a park bench helps people effectively.
LMFAO
Dr. K*
hahahahaha MY SIDES
Looooooooooooool
XD
I love how you communicate around his coversation tools.
Like you know this guy uses language differently than many people do.
However you don't let him walk you into the woods you are like "why are we walking this way"
Hey Athene do you like apples?
Athene: I am very moldable, I might like an apple or not, for example if a homeless person is sitting next to you and and there's a starving person bleeding out in Zimbabwe, who do you give the apple and who do you give a sandwich, just so we're on the same page so you can understand me, but it's not important for me to be understood, but I value our conversation to have positive results because... I'm misunderstood, but I don't value it so let me give you another example when you're sitting on a couch and fly flies towards you but who do you give a sandwich to?
God damn, this guy is trying so hard to sound school-term smart and going around every topic it gets very frustrating to listen to.
this is when youkeep pressing the first suggested word on autocomplete ;DDDD
holy fuck lmaoo
it's called word-salad, and is just a way not to answer
Krippaxxus, Eredarlord of the salty Legion how do u let a narcissist know that they’re a narcissist without them throwing a fit. U cant
Krippaxxus, Eredarlord of the salty Legion I reread ur comment and idek who u were attacking. No need to argue this battle, u win
Talk to Asmongold. One of the bigger streamers who frequently takes breaks and is frustrated a lot by his streams success and stuff like that and had a lot of interesting things for you to delve deep into from when he was young.
This
^
Oh man I will pay to watch them talk.
this
This
Dr K: do you want to make sure that you are not misunderstood?
Athene: Nonono I just want to make sure that you understand my response to any of your questions.
Dr K: So you want to make sure that I understand you?
Athene: Perhaps
Dr K: Ok. So you want to make sure I don't misunderstand you.
Athene: Nonono I don't mind if you misunderstand me I just want to make sure we are on the same page.
Beating around the bush
Lol yeah
First 30 min is legit me trying to get the minimum word count on an essay
😂
It all went over your head if you feel that way.
@@AnEnemyAnemone1 How? Legit trash talking each other about who understands or misunderstand who, for 30mins, the whole 1 and 40 minutes and there was 0 value in this video, nothing to learn, if this was a biography of athene it would have more value. go learn from a real video which actually has "educational content/value" rather than OH look a "twitch celebrity".
@@AnEnemyAnemone1 No man Healthy gamer is a delusional fuck. He helps people with issues science says dont exist and lai people selfdiagnose because they are ignorant. He believes in religious bullshit, his entire life is built around lies.
@@86Corvus haha you are certainly not making a good case for yourself 😅
"Do you think you're narcissistic?"
"No. And here's a bunch of reasons why I'm better than narcissists"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
@@psychepeteschannel5500 its the concept of thinking you are better than someone. that is very narcissistic
@@psychepeteschannel5500 he didnt call him a narcissist, he asked if he was. Athene could just say no
@@psychepeteschannel5500
im better than narcisistic people, i dont try people like them :)
I've been watching Dr. K for a little over a year, but I've never seen th is video. You are so good and patient and willing to listen and understand. it's incredible. I never doubted it, but this video was incredible. I've been watching Athene since 2007. I stopped watching him after 2012/2013 because life got busy. When I came back years later to search for him, he already had this tainted image of himself. This video is so important for me, not just because of Athene, but because so many things were explained. Like, I don't know if you do it actively, but you just made him repeat himself in the same way so many times, and it was so easy to put it back in his face and him having to deal with THAT reality of himself.
Beautiful video, sir!
"I just live my life and accept things as they are"
Also
"There is so much suffering in the world, I can't accept it, I have to do something about it"
Youa re iether the former OR the latter, but not both, Athene.
The subject around 1:24:20 shows how Athene doesn't udnerstand how science really works, but Dr K does. When you do an experiment, you're not gonna just throw assumptions over assumptions, you want to use as fewer things as possible so your risk of getting an error is small, and if you change something in the experiment, you wanna change very little and go with baby steps. Athene makes HUGE assumptions about what people would say or think and he makes these thought experiments in his head, assuming so many wrong things that others wouldn't actually think or say.
Patience of a god
for sure, but also it is his job to listen to and understand people, often times people who are difficult to communicate with (to say it kindly)
Only someone with an ego would be proud of their godlike patience
@@ZM-dm3jg theres a difference between ego and egotism.
That's easy type of patience. Now imagine they had to work together and had a deadline and had this type of converaation where one person wants to get things done and move on while other is analysing stuff that really dosen't matter.
@@yoooyoyooo oddly specific, learn to work around those people and kindly ask to them to see the bigger picture.
This is how athene gets a cult like following. they ask him a question, and he leads them down a rabbit hole of random concepts until they both forget about the question completely, and people think this is intelligence
I can agree with the statement, but it doesn't mean there's nothing of worth to consider in the ideas presented by him, or others that present the same ideas and thoughts as he does.
@@psychepeteschannel5500 That would be a valid assessment for sure, except for all of the times he has gone beat for beat from the "pseudo-intellectual cult leader brainwashes others by making corny self-help sound iNtELLeCtUaL" handbook...
@@psychepeteschannel5500 You're just projecting Kappa
@@poofypoof6508 are you water down a stream because I am a Jelly sandwich we are all tilapia dancing on the Moon
consider it
Yep, its the Gish Gallop. Its effective against the general public because a) People still think, those who speak the most or at length are somehow the smartest and b) the general public does almost no research of fact checking on their own. They tend to take everything at face value and decide immediately whether or not they agree. I speak from an American perspective though, I don't know how effective this "technique" is elsewhere.
Psychiatrist: Are you a narcissist?
Athene: Let me tell you about projection.
Dr. K: why do you over explain things?
Athene: Because I want people to understand me.
Dr. K: so you care about people understanding you?
Athene: No.
It makes no difference to him personally if you understand. He wants to clarify for the sake of the listener, not for himself. It's a subtle nuance that low IQ Twitch chat streamers will circlejerk over
@@vic123 Souds like we just can't grasp his true genius underneath, unlike you with your big galaxy brain.
@@leiasart4610 You can't. The guy's had a plan in motion for decades now. All his achievements, all his world records, all his troll videos, all his attention gathering, has culminated in the founding of his cult. He's achieved everything he wanted, he's amassed dozens of millions of dollars, tricked the gov into subsidizing him completely, meanwhile special people on Twitch living off minimum wage are calling him stupid lmfao.
@@vic123 It isn't that he is stupid. He isn't. It's just that he wants to be seen as enlightened. He really does believe he is enlightened so whenever he gets caught in contradictions, his brain glitches, and he finds ways to question the questioner in the vaguest ways possible to validate his belief that he has actually "achieved." I disagree that he can't be understood. Also I'm only 26 minutes in, but this is what I'm getting so far.
@@vic123 Why would you bother to clarify if you don't care about being understood?
I honestly could not even imagine having the level of patience Dr. K has in this stream.
Patience? He interrupted Athene demanding him to answer with Yes and No's because he lacked the mental fortitude to sit through a couple of analogies. The guy had anything but patience for him.
@@Scriptulator I would say he had a modest amount of patience; that said, I am only 30min in
@@Scriptulator uh no it hard to maintain composure for someone as vague as athene.
@@yeetman4953 you say that like every human beings ability to maintain composure is the same
@@Scriptulator no dr k has a lot of it, its that athene never gives a straight answer
Dr.: *asks a simple yes or no question*
Athene: **hands in his abstract essay of non-judgemental objective reality where he conveys his judgement, although it may be flawed, but should be universally accepted as truth, or not, doesn't matter really, because life flows like a river**
Sooo fucking stupid. This is literallys view on life people get during LSD trips
hampuztt Yeah but at least my LSD trip stopped and then I could sift through the bullshit for some gems.
@@hampuztt spot on analysis, the more i watch of this, the more i am convinced thats what happened... the whole "click" thing seemed like an lsd trip idea to me too.
Aha and what does "Dr" do? 8:46
Athene became the character he created for UA-cam.
He was a cool character before. Shit just hit the fan with him. Seems like life broke him into this. No idea what happened in his personal life.
He's done alotta good and I hope he gets back into it. Or just quits and lives a normal life.
@@roshill2010 totally agreed
maybe it wasn't a character. people say character now because twitch is a profession and people do create characters and personas now. pretty sure athene was not acting, he just never shared much or had a phony life.
his responses is purposeful derailing. it's the same level of deception as flat earthers. the logic is sound, but only if you accept their looney premises. of course round earth doesn't make sense if you reject what science has proven.
What the fuck is wrong with athene last time i saw him was that Original best pala in the world video back in the days
maybe it was never a character
I actually learned a lot from this video on how narcissism works, the first 30 min is utterly insufferable
Athene has to be one of the most ineffective communicators I've ever listened to. He is unable to put himself in the other person's shoes and imagine how they understand him, so as a result he comes up with these convoluted sentences full of abstract concepts and big words that make sense to him but are difficult to grasp for others. Everybody can construct a sentence that makes sense to them but is hard to understand for other people. And you don't have to be saying anything profound to do that, you could be talking about what you had for dinner last night. The fact that Athene is constructing his sentences like that all the time is not a sign of high intelligence, it is a sign of his inability to accurately express thoughts and convey the message that he wants to convey to his conversational partner.
I'm 30 minutes in, listening to this "conversation", and I 100% agree with you on his horrible communication. I think Dr. K pointed out something incredibly important about why he does it. He does it to serve himself. He speaks in order to be understood by the other person, as though he's giving orders. That's why it's not a conversation, which requires at least two active parties. He speaks in order for other people to think like him. He speaks in order to control the flow of conversation, and even control the assumptions and thoughts that the other person makes.
To Athene, it might be that, even a straightforward ANSWER to a yes or no question would be surrendering control over to the other person. And he never EVER surrenders control.
Quite understandable given his background as a cult leader and a narcissist.
these are actually traits of the narcissist - he exhibits the traits of a narcissist
That's not whats going on. He just has a disconnect of how the human brain works and how a belief system works. So he goes in circles and doesn't realize he is saying the same thing over and over again.
John Doee yup this
Yeah I feel like you're correct.
It feels like he is trying to explain how money is made when negotiating the price of a car. Yeah, you can do it, but for the purposes of the conversation it is just pointless.
Almost feels like he is trying to confuse you, trying to give you uncertainties about the subject so that you're the one listening to him.
Dr K, i've only found your channel yesterday. But your compassion, patience and communicative skills are downright inspirational to me. Thank you for doing this. Honestly thank you.
"Always desiring to be superior to others, having no patience for inferiors and belittling strangers; like a hawk, flying high above and looking down on others, and yet outwardly displaying justice, worship, wisdom, and faith - this is raising up the lowest order of good and walking the way of the Asuras."
The person Athene describes himself as would never describe himself that way.
Where is that quote from?
@@randomstuffz2 It's by the Chinese buddhist monk Zhiyi, in his work Mohe Zhiguan. It's hard to find translation for the whole work though. I took this translation off of wikipedia.
@@merdufer I see, ty for the answer!
When you asked him "are you misunderstood?" that was a pro gamer move man. You do great work.
True
10 minutes in, and I can't help but get the sense that this Athene person is analyzing your responses to try and undermine you or find weaknesses in some way.
The guy was traumatized by a sort of lawyer trying to sue him for his use of something twitch-related. The lawyer was very good and Athene had to be insanely patient and literally analyze his opponent for weaknesses in order to not loose the law-suit
It's on youtube somewhere, and the conversation kinda goes like the first 30min of this video 😂
Dude how did you know this is narcissitic technique you nailed it actually.
youtubemanchina Athene definitely appears to be a narcissist, that's for sure.
@@KeenestObserver Could you link it, im amused?
Athene, I understand the deeper meaning you are asking. The other person can't answer your question. He'll understand sometime. Thank you for asking him. Now I'm looking at my own motivations. Thank you Athene. You're a blessing to so many! 💙
"There is a chance that I'm a cult leader and I'm just not aware of it" - Athene 2019
Sounds like a very open-minded thing to say.
@@28lester sounds like a copout to me
so you say there is a chance pog???
@@28lester No, you fell for the mind game he is playing. If people follow him and see him as a cult leader it's their fault because he is not aware of it. He made you think it's not his fault even if he was a cult leader because he has no ego, is pure and not aware or in other words: not doing it on purpose.
@@28lester I think he likes the idea of being a cult leader
He has a very heavy god complex. He is disinterested in agreeing with the other person, doesn't directly answer questions, judges other's intentions and alignments heavily, assumes other people are never on his level. Even his jumbled and misprecise language puts up a front against anyone who would want to know who Athene is in the end.
its sad. I learned a lot from athene but then he went nuts 100%
He tried to twist the conversation in his favor, by devaluating Dr. K by asking about his 'true' intentions. It's like the Jordan Peterson interview with Katy Newman. Only that Athene is 10 times better at this game than Katy is.
Athene is a perfect example of a stupid person using complex terms to explain very simple ideas.
@@LetsRaZe comparing alok with beterson is a terrible example.
@@sotetsotetsotetsotetsotet2379 If you look at my comment you can see that i didn't compare Alok with Peterson, but i compared Athene to Cathy.
Athene: "I like analogies"
Dr. K: *vigorous nodding*
Athene was playing a role for so long, he got stuck in it.
Pandurlol gg facts
Everyone is playing a role,acting works as a social lubricant,what happens when you stop acting its you show your " inner monkey " which some people define as being mad,I agree in some sense if you aren't able to play a role you are mad but everyone gets angry or yell and we tend to see this as a normal thing,its like lose your character its a commonly accepted mental illness.
I feel bad for Athene,he clearly have some mental issues,but the ability to play a role its something healthy,now pretend we don't lie constantly to don't hurt someone feelings or we don't act in some specific way to get something or someone attention...
@@zlg1388 No, that's just you projecting.
@@vaevictus4637 Those are words of Marlon Brando but ok,maybe you know better than Brando what acting means lol.Search the interview on Dick Cavet show if you don't belive me,also Carl Jung with the shadow theory its pretty much the same.You can't acept everyone is lying in some degree...think it in this way,the other option its act like monkeys all the time,which isn't that weird or bad because we are literally apes at the end of the day.
@@zlg1388 He sounds like a very sad person then. Acting all your life sounds exhausing and horrible, not something I wouldn't see that as something you would want to do.
Holy shit you walk the line between defusing and detonating the situation so well and meanwhile I'm just here biting my nails lmao
Absolutely! This was honestly mind-blowingly impressive from Dr. K's side.
And he doesnt have a Chloe to help him 🤣
I feel you, it’s like I was so in sync with the conversation I could eventually predict a half second ahead where Doc was going to take it because of Athene‘s meandering and mental
Gymnastics
what a great comment hahahaha
ahahaha
dr k: how are you
athene : my reality is planet wide, simpleton
This is so yes :D
As unbearable as Athene may be, this really highlights Dr.K's expertise. Dude is undeniably good at what he does
facts
what did he do here other than fail to acknowledge his own intentions when Athene asked how far he will go?
@@Scriptulator He did numerous things here. He exposed Athenes flawed ideas on "true" intent. He showed that Athene probably is a deeply rooted narcissist with delusional grandeiur. He showed that Athene has a massive ego of having no ego.
Generally he actually gave Athene a lot of really great personal insights
@@nonfiction876 You see one thing, I see another
Athene is a youtube character played by Bachir, this Dr failed to recognize that in the first place and from there on went way off course.
'solving lonliness with Asmondgold'
'existensial dread ft. Michael Reeves'
'talking deppression with Reckful'
...
chatting with Athene
no one really knows what they are talking about, they just are.
Coping with narcissism seemed to be the theme at the end.
Could've sword the original title or thumbnail had narcissist in it
@@patbau96 It for sure did
Bravo for your level of patience, Dr. K. This was massively frustrating listening to Athene talk so much without actually saying anything of value.
I believe Athene expands/overly complicates every subject into oblivion, in the service of others according to himself, only to subtly imply that its needed because others aren't as capable as himself.
And his obsession with his altruistic framework of thought seems quite heavily motivated by his ego, given that he only takes his own method of creating "global good" into account.
This was a short general summary of my impresssion of Athene, it was very interesting to listen to this conversation.
I believe lot of people have informative style of communication witch circles around a lot but help defining big and complex picture... and the guy on the left doesnt understands that
well he was the best paladin in the world tho :p hehe
@@majmunbezgaca5220 I understand that is the way he wants to present himself, I'm only questioning his motives.
If you believe that doing X is the best way to help the world, and your aim is to help the world in the best way possible, why would you do anything other than X? I think I understand, but just want to confirm: would you say that if, for example, Dr. K advised him that Y is better than X, Athene ought to practice X and Y from a standpoint of humility, i.e. not assuming that he knows better than Dr. K?
I didnt watch the entire thing. Red lights started flashing the moment the host said he "STUDIED" to be a monk. Study implies gaining knowledge, a religious seminar doesnt teach anything, it indoctrinates people with more bullshit. Indoctrination is the opposite of education. Then he started to say how he tries to cure people of their gaming addiction - a condition scientific research never prooven to exist. So he helps people who selfdiagnosed nonexistent diseases in order to profit off them. Disgusting.
This is a masterclass in communication. I'll watch 3 times. Great Job Doc.
Same here ❤
I'm very pleasantly surprised by where the conversation got. The beginning was truly painful but once Athene and Dr. K started talking while on the same wavelength the conversation was very productive and educational.
Watching Dr.K‘s face react to Athene‘s answers is the best thing in a Long Time lmao
athene is that kid who was above average intelligence in high school and then couldn't cope with the fact they weren't actually that smart compared to smart people
I Think Many people have this same or similar experience, or in my case, middle School lol 😂
Most people think they're above average while the few smart ones usually underestimate or downplay themselves, proven many times in double blind research
You read my mind.
It is something like 80-90% of people who believe they are average or above average. Ironically most smart people actually dont believe they are smart.
@@nonfiction876 if they lack that observation wouldnt that ironically make them stupid
Q: Are you going to make your bed?
Athene: Well that depends, right now I am trying to better myself by understanding other's needs and processing information so that I can help them better.
Q: So you're not going to make the bed?
Athene: What would that accomplish? In this case would making the bed make me feel better or would it make you feel better or perhaps is there a bigger underlying issue here that by me making the bed or not would somehow have an impact on it?
Q: Can you please just answer the question?
Athene: I just want to make sure that the question you are asking has the same concept of my understanding of it so there is no misconception because it's important to me that we are on the same page.
Q: It's very plain and simple, I would like a yes or no answer, you either make the bed or you don't.
Athene: It's more complicated than that, we first have to understand your need of me making the bed or perhaps you don't want me to make the bed and there's more to this but there's no way for me to know what you really want as you just resort to it in simple binary terms.
Q: I assure you there's nothing more to it, just answer me please.
Athene: Ok but let me give you an example. Let's say you go ask somebody what time it is and they say it's 4 o'clock. That's not really an answer and it's not even right or wrong because in different parts of the world there are different times so the question has to be understood first in order for them to answer it in the specific way you want them to because time as a lot of things is very subjective.
Q: No more examples please, this isn't about perspective or individuality it's just a simple plain question.
Athene: Well then I will try to explain it how I see it from my point of view, it seems to me that you either want me to make the bed or not so let me ask you instead what do you think I should do and why?
Q: Do you see what you just did, you turned the question back to me!
Athene: Yes because in order for me to answer you I have to make sure that we understand each other because for example let's say I say yes I am going to make the bed then maybe I presume that you want me to make the bed simply on the way you asked the question or maybe you are even upset with me because I did not make the bed to begin with.
Q: PLAIN AND SIMPLE, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THE BED YES OR NO?
Athene: I think there is a bigger issue here and seeing how this upsets you makes me believe there are some other underlying issues that we need to discuss because I don't think that me making the bed or not would be sufficient at this point so in order for me to properly address this I think I need to dig deeper as the feeling I get from this is that your question is more complex and is more than a binary choice since the rules of me answering it are not defined or confined in your reality of me making the bed or not.
Yes I did take the time to type all this crap out but it's exactly how this chat went, basically nowhere. Thank you very much, what a terrific audience!
lmao
And the funny thing is, that was dr.k's fault. Dr.k is a fraud talking for his own gain and athene exposed him really nicely.
Athene actually has a point. Behind every action there is an intention, and that is what he was trying to discuss with Dr. K but K just kept missing the point.
@@nevenmagic exactly, also, k's tunnel vision into pushing him for having an ego of not having an ego is so cringe.
@@Sheddertje I agree there was a big inferential distance between Dr. K and Athene but I wouldn't agree Dr. K approached the discussion in a wrong way. All things considered I believe the conversation went pretty well and I personally enjoyed hearing Athene talk in a different way than he has been talking for the past 10 years.
... This man off his rocker lmao, he's literally just saying words to say them. The amount of patience you have is truly incredible
26:55 this was a great question by Dr K, we got to see the actual athene for a bit and you can see Dr K's excitement that he was actually able to break through for the first time in nearly 30mins
Its very interesting to me as someone who has had therapy about ego and stuff to see a true narcissist like this. Puts my mind at ease abit. He seems to think that having emotions or weaknesses is something to be ashamed of and talk circles around. Fascinating.
I feel slightly insane after listening to Athene .
Well basically you could be right, for example you can be right and you could be wrong, who knows? Maybe it's just projection.
@@英語わかりません lol .
@@redshift912 You mean it's like Athene Has almost manipulated you through your computer screen? Are you that out of touch with reality ? Try your best to fight it buddy, don't let this video control you, I know you may be going insane after watching this but it's probably all in your head
@@thenarrator3632 calm down athene
Imagine what his cult members must feel like. Gaslighted by his insane nonsense every day.
This was legit hard to watch.
15min and im fighting the urge to go to the next video
Don't know what you mean, I can't stop laughing, if you know who Athene is you can certainly enjoy his BS here.
The expressions make it so much better. I wish we could see the chat.
i thought it was bs for the first 30 minutes as well, but past the 40 or 50 minute mark, i've come to believe he's not bsing and he's actually thinking out loud. he's very logical, but the first 30 minutes makes it look like he's full of crap and can't talk like a normal human being. like it sounds like he's avoiding the question, all of that. but i think it's just the result of someone who was deep into being an internet celebrity. like trying to save the world, but resorts to lying and stuff.
i have always thought that we can humanize people with complicated and/or deep rooted trauma and athene is no exception.
@@mescellaneous jesus christ what are you on about lol
"The ego of not having an ego" is a fascinating concept. Makes me wonder if that's what my problem has been. Lots to think about after watching this
happens usually to very smart spiritual people
@@AXharoth Did Dr. K ever say what ego smart people with no spirituality have? This is all very interesting.
@@AXharoth More like that happens to people who perceive themselves as smart and spiritual.
@@TAKEYOURCREATINE Your ego can identify with anything, it always tries to find something that makes you better or stand out from the rest, it always wants you to be that special person. So if you are intelligent your ego can be tied to your intelligence, which would mean that it is important for your ego that you are seen as the smart person, you might try to sound intelligent or outsmart others and feel ashamed when you dont know something.
The ego is a hard thing to "defeat" since it always finds something new. When I started to read into spirituality and learned about my ego I tried anything to get rid of it, so I tried my hardest to be a humble and giving person. But soon I discovered that my ego just started to identify as the egoless person instead of the smart person, but at the end of the day I didnt get rid of my ego, it just found something new.
@@AXharoth I had to fight this super hard.
I practiced mindfulness to an aware state. For over a month i was in a passive state. Where issues that would have caused me to feel annoyed, stressed or anything but happy didn't exist. No issue would be a bother to me.
This lead me into a state of mind where if people would not understand it or thinking it was bullshit was extremely became lesser in my eyes, i was aware of this pattern i was having. I would not act upon those thoughts, but they were in the back of my head at all times.
I stopped practicing it and just went on day by day. And then i completely lost it, as i realized i was negating activities because i was just happy and contempt with doing nothing.
I was in a fulfilled state for one month of my life, but in return i also realized how narcissistic i am even when i lived in the happiest state of my being.
34:13 the madman actually got him to say "yes."
Actually, after watching the whole thing I have to say I respect the way Athene took things. Watching Dr. K work was like watching a detective movie.
Yes, respect for Athene. Best gamer in the world.
This is a masterclass on patience. Athene is a sobering example of using "logic" to explain irrelevant or non-existent connections.
"There's nothing I suppressed or forgot about." Okay, but how would you know that...?
Dr. K: have you ever been to the beach before?
Athene: Im curious to know why in your thoughts of me and the beach would i place myself on the sands on the coast. Do you understand what I am trying to tell you?
That is because Athene knows what he is doing. He knows because he does the same thing. HealthyGamerGG and Athene use the same method Scientology does. Have people reflect on pass trauma then use that vulnerability to pitch your ideology as a solution to overcoming it. HealthyGamerGG pitches his Hindu meditation, and Athene pitches whatever his cult ideas are.
@@dtho6231 Except HealthyGamer is a Harvard psychiatrist who "pitches" actual advice that has been proven to help people scientifically. He is also very clear on what is scientifically proven and what is just a hypothetical Hindu/Buddhist answer to lives many intricate questions, where the argument is that gurus have been exploring introspection for thousands of years and some of those methods *actually work* regardless of their CURRENT scientific validity.
To doubt his is to doubt the entire field...
No it is not disingenuous. I never said what he was doing was wrong. However, at the end of the day he is using pass trauma in order to open a vulnerability and then uses that opening to push his Hindu beliefs on people as solution. He may think it helps and it might help. However, all religions make this claim and after looking at his Facebook page and website I 100% believe his intent is to spread Hinduism and make money doing it. So how is that any different from Athene or Scientology?
No he never makes it clear he is trying to get people to practice Hindu spiritual practices. He needs to declare himself an evangelist of a religion and stop pretending he just a regular psychologist. You admitted yourself he "incorporates Yogi teachings into his approach". Yogis are literally people that by worshiping Shiva and Parvati they are given divine knowledge. So he uses divine knowledge from hindu gods in his approach, yet there is nothing theological about it?
@@dtho6231 He only uses certain practices that have been shown to work and help people. Nobody is talking about religion or spiritual beliefs that have no basis in science what-so-ever.
It was nice to see how you slowly changed athenes way of communicating.
I truly can't believe that he CRACKED Athene's wall of logic in less than an hour... such an incredible psychoanalyst.
He didn't though
@@pablosaenz161 he asked only the amount of questions required to get to the root of Athene's logic and then pressed it for the rest of the interview. Brought him face-to-face with his narcissism and he couldn't engage with it. That's literally what the interview is idk how u can disagree
@@pablosaenz161 denial and cope hard bruh
@@tugger Most be tough being him
@@pablosaenz161 You and I watched a different video then.
25 minutes in. Having watched every Destiny and Athene conversation, this is bringing me delight.
grab some food and get comfy guys
Was literally eating chicken wingz first 20 mins of the video
@@crystyxn your ready to go 🙂
Athene such a shady shifty fuck
@@AXharoth i've heard of him before but this is my first experience with him... idk
@@crystyxn you're making me hungry now
I got the sense that Athene is a massive control freak. That, combined with the humble-bragging ego, definitely gives off cult leader vibes.
I don't think people like that can collaborate with others and that when he asks for collaboration, it's really a low-key start to applying a power dynamic in the guise of collaboration. Should Dr. K refuse to collaborate, a typical humble-bragging narcissist would say something like, "he wasn't really serious" or "he wasn't true to the cause," which translates to "he didn't want to do things my way."
I believe he started a cult. There are videos detailing this.
@@GameFuMaster i really give 0 fucks about this guy lol.
this video was more than enough
Dude you nailed it this is narcissismt at its finest he cannot agree to a person but we should agree to him narcissism is all about control and dominance . could look innocent but smart people can tell otherwise.
Big yikes for me, it's so heavy breaking down Athene's psyche and keep listening to his skirting and dodging. I think Dr. K did great finding a way to move through the mire that Athene emits so naturally. Earned my sub with Sky, earned my respect with Athene.
When a pseudointelligent cult leader meets actual intelligence, lmao.
Actualy athene is quite smart, you would know if you check up in his history, though last 10 years i got no idea what happend to the dude tbh, but i know he is pretty smart.
@@gigggla He's definitely not stupid, but he's nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is.
@igeto12 Like i said in my comment, i got no idea what happend to the dude the last 10 years, and i wont start any arguments here in the comments section as they never get anywhere anyway, so if you want to belive his dumb as a batshit or not is up to you mate.
@@rinleez True, no fucking idea what happend to the dude after the last 10 years, my personal guess is that he couldnt handle the fame, when your smart or good at something and get praised to much, you usualy end up thinking your better/smarter than you really are and from there its usualy downhill fast.
@@rinleez What is this "smartness" you seem to recognize in him? Where is it? What exemplifies this supposed intelligence?
This video didnt just have a rough start. The whole thing is mentally draining. I'm sure Athene could have just kept talking for 100 minutes if Dr K let him.
I have no idea what is going on here 😋
hours*
@@yesiamaloser4423 Belgians....
"do I have a drive to breath?"
"yes!"
"ok"
Only 25:00 in but he seems very much consciously or subconsciously obsessed with always being the one with the last word. He doesn't ever seem to want to concede a point even if it's the exact point he's making. He will say the *exact same thing* that you said just to be the one to say it and have YOU agree with HIM. If he's not the one being agreed with he feels like he's losing a discussion or not being understood and valued.
i want to know what was the premise of the talk. sounds like they are both steering. dr k is being kind of open.
so like athene is saying, "would you step outside of your comfort zone to help others?" and dr k says "so you step outside of comfort zones that others dont", and athene "no, i don't have an identity about it.."
LOL so wtf is athene asking dr k about it if he "doesn't really have an identity about it"? then he starts talking about how he's like water flowing down a mountain, avoiding the question, which i kind of felt dr k would accept for himself too. he doesn't have to choose sandwich for far away person or closer person. twitch is his reach and there is no "why not bigger?" he does twitch because he can. if there was a bigger platform, he would. since there's no bigger platform readily available, what is wrong with what is happening now.
"Athene, are you comparing us?"
Yes, he is. You're genuinely helping people.
An inspiration
well he did save lives of kids in africa literally.
@@arete7884 An event is not equal to a process. A guy who makes a living helping people isn't the same as someone that does something for them 1 time.
this thing was so weird i didnt know if i should laugh or cry honestly
@DrScream couldn't word it any better my man
cry, the answer is cry
Wow, getting close to Mindhunter territory here.
Athene is absolutely the next Charles Manson, Holy shit thank you for pointing this out.The cult, the smooth talking lmao.
@@mojominecraftmike This was anything but smooth talking though? He's basically just saying nothing while constantly talking.
I had this same thought about 20 minutes in.
I know nothing of this man beyond what I’ve seen here and I’m not sure I want to dedicate more of my time to getting to know him.
Great video, thank you for uploading this. I really enjoyed seeing the proces of how at the start of the conversation both your frequencies of communication were so off with eachother and how it started to balance out as time progressed.
Athene while never answer a direct question his ego is to big
@Thor the moment the sandwich question became controversial I started disliking both guys even more.
Its because if Athene has to take a concrete position his position can be dissected if he speaks in vagueries and indirect metaphors he has plausible deniability for any criticism. "Thats not my position" as it were.
@@arramon6096 "concrete position " "plausible deniability for any criticism" that is the stupidest thing i read on the internet so far,he is taking things way too seriously
@@jenu2959 Good argument
I don't know who you mean by "he" but it's common for people trying to be slippery not to answer directly. If Athene just directly answers Dr. K's questions his entire world view would quickly fall apart under scrutiny
I feel kinda bad for Athene. It seems like he's really confused. Like he's trapped in a character he created for himself online. I wonder if he's aware of it and feels pressure to keep up the facade or if he has actually lost touch with his real self after being online in front of people for so long.
Nah, Athene knows what he's doing, he's the last person on earth you should feel bad for.
@@kristiankrastanov5995 aah yes, no sympathy and empathy for people who have done bad things. that sounds like a compassionate thing to do
@@Viletuff It's not what I meant at all. I disagree that Athene is confused or whatever, he seems to be doing well. No need for concern. He said it himself, he is blessed with comfortable life.
@James Town do you actually do research or are you just regurgitating the narrative you saw on reddit?
@@Viletuff what did he do?
This was so hard to watch, Athene is a broken man.
He's a genius troll that is worshipped or hated by sub intellectuals.
@@5th_Interaction Yeah like he trolled connecting classical mechanics to quantum mechanics...
@@NavyNukerz1337 Yea hardly the work of a genius troll like @Neutrino seems to think. A genius troll would be someone like Helena Blavatsky.
Dr K makes some great faces when Athene bloviates.
I really REALLY want that follow-up conversation
hell no, theres nothing to be gained by this brickwall of a human being.
yeah, I feel he was opening up by the end
I love the part we're Athene says he understands his emotions so well he basically can't misunderstand him, the hosts face is like wait wait lol
This was so fascinating
I feel like this was a good learning experience in how to communicate with someone who answers a lot differently than most people. Also without being rude to them and being patient. Not gonna lie it was hard to wrap my head around the abstract analogies Athene was coming up with for the first 40 minutes or so. Once he started to just answer the questions clearly it was a lot more engaging and less confusing. Other than that I think Athene was being very genuine towards Dr. K. When they talked about trauma it was rather interesting as well. Overall a good video IMO.
Ye. Most comments descibe athene in a really bad way. Like Dr. K said his motives seem to be genuine and that is what gets disregarded by all these people.
I think it's amazing how Dr. K approach a guy like Athene. Every talk he makes i learn something about communication and about myself.
@@TheTpointer His videos have made me reflect a lot on myself lately. Probs gonna see a therapist soon. Love his videos too for the same exact reason.
@@Cocobro247 So we are sitting in the same boat. Only that i m not planing on seeing a therapist all though i maybe should ^^
Maybe i come to that point when I watch more of his stuff. Hope you have good day/evening (it's 2.22 am where i am) and a great new years eve. :)
@@TheTpointer Yeah just working on some stuff in my life. Best wishes to you have a happy new year!
@@TheTpointer There is just something about watching Dr. K late in the night huh? 6 am here hahaha (ok I know its morning but I haven't gone to sleep yet, so for me its late night)
Anyway yeah it is a shame people portray athene in such a bad light, because as you pointed out Dr. K said his motives seem to be genuine.
Most of the people here like to portray him as Manson with a god complex, yet to me, after the first 30 minutes, it didn't sound like that, after those 30-40 minutes when athene realized that Dr. K is following him and that K is not trying to diminish what he is saying or that K is not jumping to conclusions about him, but rather is listening him fully, I think athene got quite excited hahaha, on some questions he wouldn't shut up, not because he has this "god complex" that people say, but rather because he just enjoyed talking to Dr. K, because he (the doc) is trying to understand him through what he is saying, rather then listen to comments and take his opinion from there and just coming on call to confirm those opinions.
Anyway yeah maybe I am just talking nonsense, but I actually grow a lot of empathy for athene in this video and this is the first comment that is not trashing him, so I had to put my opinion here. (Also wish you a happy new year :) )
12:25
"Athene are you comparing us?"
This guy is so smart. He caught Athene's bullshit coming from a mile away.
It's interesting that you call it bullshit because I think it was a sincere effort to try to understand each other and find a common ground.
@@Wtb_skill Yeah you could say that. You could also point out the method in which athene decides to go about that desire to find common ground. Athene demonstrated his desire to test Dr. K from the start when asked why he's even here. You realize that's like a patient telling a psychiatrist "i'm here because I want to see if you're actually sincere about what you do or are you here to cause harm?". Please tell me you see what's strange about that happening. Athene in a passive agrressive (incredibly subtle) way came in here with the intent to scrutenize Dr. K's intentions for wanting to understand others. He caught on pretty quickly. What kind of person actually goes out of their way to test your competence on the very first encounter? Someone who has something to prove. Whether it be to himself or the viewers who knows. You could argue maybe Athene is just that good of a person and is a saint, but that's too much for anyone without a big sense of importance or responsability. So the following question would be, who does Athene think he is coming on here in an attempt to test his sincerity. Someone who is a good person that genuinely cares about others doesn't go out of their way to test every person they see claiming to be good. In other words, his sense of importance and place in the internet as a symbol of justice (lmao he played a paladin) felt threatened. So here he is.
@@Wtb_skill also want to point out it could've all very well been an incredibly long winded way of athene looking for help to deal with his ego and first needed to test if he's capable of helping at all.
@@graverobber135I don't think Athene's intention was to come and be analyzed. Take into consideration that this kind of a stream format is highly unusual. Twitch therapy? This sounds so bizzarre. Either he didn't know what kind of a conversation he was going into or he wanted to have a different one. A job interview or sth like that.
As strange as it sounds I believe Athene was genuine in this conversation. He believes what he is saying. His way of communicating is immensly convoluded and confusing. He doesn't help you understand him neither. If not for comments from Doc. K during this conversation, I would probably assume that he was faking, trying to hide something etc.
What kind of a person actually goes out of their way to test your competence on the very first encounter? Someone who thinks is sincere but feels constantly misunderstood, someone who was burned by others and tries to be cautious now.
That's my take on it.
Disclaimer: I am not Athene's fan, never watched his streams, knew nothing about him before watching this video.
@@Wtb_skill Athene said he watched past episodes, and even studied phrases and terminologies Dr. K uses prior to going onto the show.
He knew full well what type of show he was going on.
Tell me you’re a narcissist without telling me you’re a narcissist, lol. I commend your patience 100%, I honestly don’t think I could have maintained your demeanor.
Using an analogy to explain an analogy to explain an analogy.
For the sake of... clarity.
Yikes.
Near the end when Athene asks if narcissists can change it felt like a cry for help. I felt kinda bad for him.
Good job
pretty sure he was going down the route of like : well..for me as a example i changed in the past blablabla
No,they can't change , nor do they want to. Because if someone wants to change, they are not a narc in the first place.
@@RamKumar-yi6wn he can still say he has changed to win that argument doesn't mean he really have
@@RamKumar-yi6wn Some people with high narcissism do seek help. It takes specialized counseling to treat narcissism and the traumas that led to its development. It's more difficult to treat than other conditions such as depression, but it can be treated. The main problem is like you said. Narcissists' egos don't allow them to believe they have a problem unless they have overwhelming evidence that things aren't working for them. But wanting to change is not part of the definition. Self-aware narcissists describe their condition akin to an addiction. People who bolster their egos are referred to as their "supply." Like a heroin addict, a narcissist's negative emotions lead them to fish for compliments or abuse their supply to get their fix and convince themselves that they are great and everything is okay.
The most important thing to a bad leader is to give the impression that he is intelligent in front of actual science and knowledge, when in fact they know nothing. When cornered by actual intelligence and having a dialogue they feel threatened, belittled, and egohurt.
The mark of true wisdom is humility, the more they know the more they admit they do not know. you can easily tell who has that and who is just full of hot air.
I used to be part of Athene's Gaming4Good participants way back, and this is a rare kind of discussion. I fell off some years back and started wondering about some of these things Dr. K brings up, whether he's really not taking certain things too far. But I've always also empathized with his point of view and his commitment. I think I came out of watching this with a better impression of him, once you get passed his default way of dealing with things you can start to see the human being behind all the taskmastering.
This is the first time i've watched a video of you talk to someone, and I thought it would be interesting seeing Athene interact with a psychiatrist, and the line of questioning and the line of questioning you have is extremely interesting. You listen extremely carefully and ask questions that really bring to light the motivations of the person you're talking to. This was super interesting. I can't believe you got athene to speak coherently and established a productive line of communication with him.
lmfao ikr
It's fascinating how much, as an intelligent person, you can really live inside the abstractions your mind creates to the point where it is your whole world. I tend to be very in-my-head, but this chap is on a whole other level.
His whole goal for the conversation is about determining whether they can collaborate, but any logical, practical egoless person would turn that question into: "Are there any projects that would make a big difference to whatever cause that would be uniquely more likely to succeed as a result of the particular skills/experience/resources each of us bring to the table vs us both doing our own things separately".
Instead the whole conversation is about maintaining and extending this abstract framework which paints him in a particular way, and determining what the other persons place is in that framework and thus whether they are deserving of the opportunity to collaborate with him because they too have a "wide enough reality" and have forsaken all earthly desires.
It's lovely to see that the end result was something that has had a positive effect on the world though, and I hope that as he ages it continues to work for him.
One of the most fascinating conversations i ve ever witnessed
The moment Athene unknowingly proves the Doctors point 1:17:43 vs 1:18:46 hilarious.
The ”Bingo” face of Doc is so satisfying 😁
Dr. K saying, "no, your explanation is very helpful" Dr. K troll lvl over 9000
Jonatán Rimóczi It’s so brilliant.
K: You ego trip by showing off how you don't need to ego trip
A: The problem with you is that you are all about ego, I have no ego, I just do because I do you. You wouldn't understand why I don't care about the things you do
this man is going places, basically just started and already has multiple legendary streams. i was here PagChomp
Reckful creating twitch meta as usual
@@Dprkr1 trueee
Dprkr1 by crying on stream lol and showing people that therapy is ok
If you don’t show your emotions your emotions will destroy you
This interview is so much better when you see it without the bias of being a fan of either part.
Your patience it incredible. Props to you for trying to have a real conversation with this guy
"Do you think you're a narcissict?"
"No, because that would mean that I wouldnt be as good as I am."
Post-truth everybody
you just made up that quotation and you got 48 likes for that.. gj... 1:15:15 (athene replies from a perspective of a narcissist and was being ironic in case you didnt understand)
@@twisteru8640 sure its not a literal quotation, it's a strawman even. But what hes saying is that he wouldnt be working so hard to help people if he was a narcissist because then he would think of himself as better than them. Sure he did do the work, but implicitly he's still praising himself which i thought was kinda funny all things considered. The ego of having no ego is quite paradoxical
@@MrSilkor
- Are you a narcissist?
- No, I don't think so
- That's what a narcissist would say
I think no matter what he said your bias would have found a way to mock/discredit him. The scope of what he has done to help people is quite insane. I've met quite a few narcissists in my life. They don't give a shit about others. You're picking at straws comparing him to them.
Keen Observer Accepting his emotions and acknowledging his ego would be a good way to start... I’m going to be impressed if he doesn’t die alone, still, I know that this isn’t an argument, but his ego is so huge but still can’t accept it. Especially, when he judges people for having an ego. I don’t think he’s narcissistic, but there is still the possibility where he helps other people to feed his own ego about himself and discredit other people as a consequence, which can be done by a narcissist.
Petr Novák I don’t know who you’re talking to, but you’re arguing with yourself, we just acknowledged a possibility we didn’t draw a conclusion.
Here are my thoughts on why this conversation is confusing to so many people and why I think it's interesting.
Athene wasn't going into this asking for a therapy session; he was treating it like he was interviewing Dr. K for a job (31:20). Meanwhile Dr. K tries to do what he does best and tries to psychoanalyze Athene, which isn't what he was expecting. Neither seemed to have watched each others content before, so it starts with a large gap in both expectations and how each other likes to explain/learn (there's also a bit of a language barrier). Both ask questions that look like thinly veiled attacks on each other, but by the end, it seems like they are just genuinely curious about each other.
There is confusion on how they define words. For example, Dr. K asks if Athene is claiming superiority over others based on him comparing his actions and world view with others, despite claiming to say people are equal (46:45). If Dr. K is defining equality as no person being better than the other, then yes, Athene claiming he helps more people sounds contradictory. But it seems like Athene meant "people are equal" in the sense that they should be valued equally, as a motivation for him to help people who are underprivileged. This confusion seems to happen again for other words like "ego" and "suppression" because they both have clear definitions in mind that aren't immediately clear to each other.
There is confusion on how they should explain problems. For example, when Dr. K says that Athene has an "ego of no ego" (1:28:25). In (1:22:49), Dr. K defines *not* having an "ego of no ego" as 1) ask why the accuser thinks they are a narcissist, 2) ask where that perspective comes from, and that responding with evidence of him not being a narcissist means that he probably is (1:24:01). This seems to contradict what he was telling Athene to not do, saying it's bad to ask questions in return rather than answering the question (17:04). Dr. K says asking where the question is coming from and why they believe that helps him understand, which is what Athene appears to do in this talk a lot, but so prematurely to the point where it looks like deflection and side tangents. Both want to get to a root understanding, but are rarely approaching that root from a common angle and sort of insist on showing each other their path there.
Athene throughout the conversation makes too many analogies, comparisons, and abstractions (which to most viewers just looks really wishy washy (34:42)), which clearly fits into Dr. K's framework of suppression and presence of ego (1:34:09). This is pretty much how Athene likes to talk, maybe perhaps because he lacks english vocabulary to directly explain his thoughts, or because that's just what he sees as most effective. We can kind of see him making the effort to adapt during the conversation to not do that for Dr. K (48:16). It's really interesting to me to see what look like two people, who I feel like I understand, have rigid frameworks of how they approach conversation and problem solving, and to see what happens when those frameworks clash. Eventually, they seem to understand each other better, but I would love to see more conversations where they no longer have to worry as much about hurting each others feelings with pointed questions.
I’m halfway through the vid but very good stance so far!
This is all correct, however you may also argue that someone that considers themselves a self-proclaimed guru and cult leader would hopefully have a bit more humility when talking to a professional psychiatrist. Lack of awareness on his part.
@@johnway8819 Why wouldn't humility be expected of both? Why does the professional psychiatrist interrupt all the time and has all kinds of reactions that look off-putting? Pretty sure Athene only PARODIED being a guru/cult leader but a lot of people seemed to have lost the humor in that.
@@Portubed Because as a psychiatrist you poke and sometimes you trigger. There are many tactics and conversational models in psychiatry that may seem strange or downright rude but serve a purpose. See for example provocative therapy. It's a real thing that can really help people break through their OWN delusions and limitations.
Thanks for timestamps
-So, you want to help as much a you can
-Yeah
-Why?
-Because I can.
Damn, that's powerful. I wish i could afford 25$ and more to get private treatment, thanks for the work you're doing. You're a wonderful human being.
Greetings from Venezuela.
Good luck with whatever you're going through, I have hypochondria and these videos have helped me in not focusing too much on bad thoughts. Love from the USA!
@@brennon884 thanks for your words buddy. I hope you get better too Brennon.
I feel a lot empathy for Athene. It's hard to get on stream, talk about what's really going on in your head and get flamed for it. And it's hard to be suddenly hit with the possibility that you're a narcissist.
He seems to have come with the idea of examining Dr. K's motivations, but in the end, he did open up a bit. I'm just wondering if Athene expected to get examined too or that he was open to it. But I guess HealthyGamer was always open and honest about what kind of channel it was.
Anyways, I'm glad that he was brave enough to go on stream. Both of you tried to be understanding. And both of you tried to keep the tone of conversation positive.
he's been called a narcissist for 10 years, just never by a professional that people respect
Incredibly good dissection Dr K.
I learnt so much from this conversation
Actually insightful for understanding the mind of someone with narcissistic personality disorder.
How do you know that he actually has narcissistic personality disorder?
@@1999_reborn To be completely honest I don't but it sure seems that way. From watching the video I get the impression that Dr. K does as well but he choses to tippy toe around that point in order to not provoke Athene.
@@1999_reborn Athene always has made himself try to appear smarter/better than others. Whether its from dismissing someones work because there are a more people in need of help somewhere else. Or simply based on things like philosophy, science, physics, etc, etc.
@@TheTubfred He can't give a diagnosis after just less than two hours of chatter.
KommentarSpaltenKrieger 129394032 but he can be pretty damn sure about it.
"I think you have the ego of having no ego" "I have no ego, you're just projecting"
Dr. K. was nodding and smiling, because Athene approved by saying that xD
Athene is the type of guy where you ask him a simple question as "Are you athene? and he goes on a 2 hour rant about how he could be Athene but at the same time not..
He would answer the question by explaining how Dr. K. isn't Dr. K.
Athene is losing his mind and trying to look smart while doing it.
Athene is threatened by someone stepping onto his "scene" and doing it better and with actual education. ^^,
He's also projecting a lot, because his own intention isn't really to help other people, it's to make money by pretending he wants to help others. xD
Made these comments 15 minutes into the video btw - let's see if they reach a conclusion at the end that proves me correct or incorrect. :)
Actual education but still talk a lot of nonsense. But that is basically what psychiatry is, there is room for nonsense in psychiatry, and then when you add a little traditional eastern medicine, it gets even worse.
@@SSDDssed Maybe you just lack the iq to understand conversations like these
@@SSDDssed nonsense? Do you have an example? I think you just don't understand what Mr. K is saying. Also your view of psychiatry is wrong, its not some "blablabla". You must think psychiatry is some sort of scam.
He is just trying to figure out how he will cook enough broccoli soup for the entire world.
After 5 minutes Athene is thinking he’s doing it only for money.
After 15 minutes I can’t stand this guy anymore. What a weird person.
this video is wonderful
it displays an excellent level of speaking and listening
i still have much to learn