www.arjenleistr... Queensday Concert 2010 Schiedam, Grote Kerk Arjen Leistra on the Flentrop-organ Stop assistants: Left: Matthijs Breukhoven Right: Stefan Treure
I know nothing about music, but this was played at the funeral of my girlfriend, she was 17. It's forever connected to that, and this rendering was as beautiful as I heard it then.
I hope you found consolation in it too, I know it from another time in the same setting.... a sad time... my father found sollace.... that was good enough for me as a kid of 5 years of age
That question is easy to answer. Almost everything. As a 12-year old I joyfully played most of his organ sonatas. Today - 55 years later - I joyfully play his repertoire for violin and organ with a joyful granddaughter on the violin. Isn't that what music is all about? Joy goes beyond relative terms like 'good' or 'bad' and I thank mr. Rheinberger for so much lifetime joy!
Lang geleden ontdekte ik deze composite op een lp. Die ben ik inmiddels kwijt. Maar de melodie is blijven hangen. Via internet belandde ik op deze site. Blij dat ik hem weer hoor klinken. Mooi vertolkt!
Prachtig en ontroerend. In deze kerk kwam ik vaak in mijn jeugd. Cantilene en Taccata (Grison) hoorde ik ook vaak, mijn vader had de plaat van Feike Asma. Dit is met hetzelfde gevoel gespeeld. prachtig! Annemieke Kooy Goudappel
Mooi. De registratie is perfect. Wow, dit stuk is zo vredig nu dit stuk voor mijn nachtelijke meditatie-afspeellijst zal zijn. Ook wie heeft dit orgel gebouwd?
The beauty of art in general is that strict rules don't exist. Many of the composers who are today considered 'Great Masters' were despised during their lifetime by critics like you. So yes, 'Great Masters' is a very arbitrary term. And yes, since my childhood I liked to play and to listen to Mozart. Why was it a problem that I had no clue WHY I liked him so much? I thank God that the joy of music and 1+1=2 logic are different things! So yes, the term 'Great Masters' is
Gentle souls rarely produce 'Great Art'. Mr. Rheinberger was probably one of those gentle souls. He had no big stories to tell. Does that make him a 'lesser' God? Personally I don't think so. Knowing the facts and catching the spirit of the composers are indeed important issues for professional musicians. I am only dealing with young kids. I try to develop what most professional teachers forget to develop: perceiving music as a LANGUAGE and 'telling' the stories right. The rest comes later.
Indeed, a true musician recognizes class. On the other hand, a true teacher knows that composing is not a competition. He she also will never impose personal opinions upon his pupils. Just give them enough musical 'bagage' tp judge for themselves. In this spirit my granddaughter and myself are playing Brahms equally joyful Brahms as Rheinberger and other 'lesser' masters. Musical live would be poor if we rigidly limit ourselves to the socalled 'Great Masters'.
@organman52 Just like organs have G strings, this piece is in F major. Add to that, mention a few organists/composers who were not influenced by mr. J to the S... ;-)
@organman52 Despite the fact that you seem the one qualified enough to judge about both mr. Rheinbergers composing skills, (he wrote about 20 sonatas for the organ, to great acclaim) and what others should like or dislike, I do think this is a very fine aria, especially as played by the late Feike Asma: /watch?v=dCU3D6-0s38
All well and good of course. My point is that a true musician needs to be able to distinguish between a master composer and everyone else. The fact that it is enjoyable does not matter here. I do not want my own students to think that Rheinberger and Brahms were equals. And my best students understand why. As to what a true musician is - one who explores and understands the structure of the music in addition to whatever else. It's like a physician knowing the physical aspects of the body.
They are not so-called. How ridiculous of you to say that. Are you going to tell me that Brahms and Rheinberger made an equal mark on Western Art Music? Please. To say that Mozart is an unsurpassed master is not an opinion, my friend. It is an incontrovertible fact. The problem is, most people - even those who adore Mozart - have no idea WHY his music is of the highest level possible.
@GJmusique If mr. rhinoburger had any sense - and IF he truly had understood what great music is - he would not have attempted to be a 'composers' himself. But as he did endeavor to be a 'composer,' he failed MISERABLY.
My problem is that all too many instrumentalists and vocalists get hired for good jobs who know very little about the music they are performing. Why not give that work to those who DO know what they are playing. I would add - you skirt the issue about 'great masters.' Individuals such as you and I have no business judging music. To say that Mozart is a consummate master is not judgmental in any way. To say Rheinberger is not is the same thing. There is no evidence in his music of greatness. None
An obvious copy of the Bach Air from the Orch. Suite no. 3 in D major and the slow mmvt. from the F minor harps. concerto. The sick thing is that it was 'composed' a century and a half AFTER the Bach pieces. How unoriginal does it get? Not much more than this.
@GJmusique Influenced, of course. But to indulge in empty, rambling rhetoric such as this reveals that poor mr. rhinoburger did not understand the greatness of Bach. If he did, he would NEVER have attempted to write such a meaningless piece of nothingness.
@GJmusique I am eminently qualified to judge this inferior 'music.' But you do not have to believe that. You should, however, be very concerned that you consider this to be great music. Do you honestly think that just because he 'composerd' 20 sonatas that it is great music? And do you not care that this purely diatonic 'music' was 'composed' well into the 19th century, when chromaticism had become ubiquitous?
I know nothing about music, but this was played at the funeral of my girlfriend, she was 17. It's forever connected to that, and this rendering was as beautiful as I heard it then.
I hope you found consolation in it too, I know it from another time in the same setting.... a sad time... my father found sollace.... that was good enough for me as a kid of 5 years of age
That question is easy to answer. Almost everything.
As a 12-year old I joyfully played most of his organ sonatas. Today - 55 years later - I joyfully play his repertoire for violin and organ with a joyful granddaughter on the violin. Isn't that what music is all about? Joy goes beyond relative terms like 'good' or 'bad' and I thank mr. Rheinberger for so much lifetime joy!
Prima gedaan Arjen!
De juiste organist en het juiste orgel samen. Dat kan niet mis gaan!
Das ist Rheinbergers Musik! Hervorragend interpretiert!
Lang geleden ontdekte ik deze composite op een lp. Die ben ik inmiddels kwijt. Maar de melodie is blijven hangen. Via internet belandde ik op deze site. Blij dat ik hem weer hoor klinken. Mooi vertolkt!
Mijn verhaal 😊
Nice organ, nice performance ! BRAVO from Italy.
Heel mooi, Arjen! Ik was erg benieuwd naar orgelstukken van Rheinberger, en kwam zo bij jouw video uit.
Ik woon in Zeeland, maar ik ga binnenkort Hr. Leistra beluisteren in Schiedam!
Prachtig en ontroerend. In deze kerk kwam ik vaak in mijn jeugd. Cantilene en Taccata (Grison) hoorde ik ook vaak, mijn vader had de plaat van Feike Asma. Dit is met hetzelfde gevoel gespeeld. prachtig! Annemieke Kooy Goudappel
Eine wunderbare Orgel und meisterliches Spiel!
So musical and played so well. Thanks for introducing me to this piece!
MarkandTracy Pace Arjan is the organist of the St. Johnschurch in our city, Schiedam, the Netherlands
Mooi. De registratie is perfect. Wow, dit stuk is zo vredig nu dit stuk voor mijn nachtelijke meditatie-afspeellijst zal zijn. Ook wie heeft dit orgel gebouwd?
Prachtig stuk!
Fantastisch uitgevoerd!!
The beauty of art in general is that strict rules don't exist. Many of the composers who are today considered 'Great Masters' were despised during their lifetime by critics like you. So yes, 'Great Masters' is a very arbitrary term. And yes, since my childhood I liked to play and to listen to Mozart. Why was it a problem that I had no clue WHY I liked him so much? I thank God that the joy of music and 1+1=2 logic are different things!
So yes, the term 'Great Masters' is
It is a beautiful piece and well played here.
erg mooi, BRAVO
Gentle souls rarely produce 'Great Art'. Mr. Rheinberger was probably one of those gentle souls. He had no big stories to tell. Does that make him a 'lesser' God? Personally I don't think so.
Knowing the facts and catching the spirit of the composers are indeed important issues for professional musicians. I am only dealing with young kids. I try to develop what most professional teachers forget to develop: perceiving music as a LANGUAGE and 'telling' the stories right. The rest comes later.
Indeed, a true musician recognizes class. On the other hand, a true teacher knows that composing is not a competition. He she also will never impose personal opinions upon his pupils. Just give them enough musical 'bagage' tp judge for themselves. In this spirit my granddaughter and myself are playing Brahms equally joyful Brahms as Rheinberger and other 'lesser' masters. Musical live would be poor if we rigidly limit ourselves to the socalled 'Great Masters'.
@organman52
Just like organs have G strings, this piece is in F major.
Add to that, mention a few organists/composers who were not influenced by mr. J to the S... ;-)
須賀しのぶさんの革命前夜から来ました！
自分もです
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Grande Joseph Rheinberger!!!.-
prachtig. Breng herinneringen terug van Feike Asma
Toccata bedoelde ik!
Nice playing :)
Schetterend gespeeld. Bracht herinneringen back vanFeike Asma. ('k heb de plaat nog)
@organman52 What did you expect him to do? Write something better than Bach did? Then again, listen something you DO enjoy ;-)
@organman52 Despite the fact that you seem the one qualified enough to judge about both mr. Rheinbergers composing skills, (he wrote about 20 sonatas for the organ, to great acclaim) and what others should like or dislike, I do think this is a very fine aria, especially as played by the late Feike Asma: /watch?v=dCU3D6-0s38
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All well and good of course. My point is that a true musician needs to be able to distinguish between a master composer and everyone else. The fact that it is enjoyable does not matter here. I do not want my own students to think that Rheinberger and Brahms were equals. And my best students understand why. As to what a true musician is - one who explores and understands the structure of the music in addition to whatever else. It's like a physician knowing the physical aspects of the body.
They are not so-called. How ridiculous of you to say that. Are you going to tell me that Brahms and Rheinberger made an equal mark on Western Art Music? Please. To say that Mozart is an unsurpassed master is not an opinion, my friend. It is an incontrovertible fact. The problem is, most people - even those who adore Mozart - have no idea WHY his music is of the highest level possible.
Well, then, tell me ONE thing about this music that you find compelling.
@GJmusique If mr. rhinoburger had any sense - and IF he truly had understood what great music is - he would not have attempted to be a 'composers' himself. But as he did endeavor to be a 'composer,' he failed MISERABLY.
Mr. Rheinberger obviously never expected that ignorant critics like mr. Organman52 EVER would be born.
:-)
My problem is that all too many instrumentalists and vocalists get hired for good jobs who know very little about the music they are performing. Why not give that work to those who DO know what they are playing. I would add - you skirt the issue about 'great masters.' Individuals such as you and I have no business judging music. To say that Mozart is a consummate master is not judgmental in any way. To say Rheinberger is not is the same thing. There is no evidence in his music of greatness. None
An obvious copy of the Bach Air from the Orch. Suite no. 3 in D major and the slow mmvt. from the F minor harps. concerto. The sick thing is that it was 'composed' a century and a half AFTER the Bach pieces. How unoriginal does it get? Not much more than this.
@GJmusique Influenced, of course. But to indulge in empty, rambling rhetoric such as this reveals that poor mr. rhinoburger did not understand the greatness of Bach. If he did, he would NEVER have attempted to write such a meaningless piece of nothingness.
@GJmusique I am eminently qualified to judge this inferior 'music.' But you do not have to believe that. You should, however, be very concerned that you consider this to be great music. Do you honestly think that just because he 'composerd' 20 sonatas that it is great music? And do you not care that this purely diatonic 'music' was 'composed' well into the 19th century, when chromaticism had become ubiquitous?