Mountaineer Won't Start After Thieves Destroy Steering Column
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- This 2006 Mercury Mountaineer won't start after the steering column was replaced.
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*I think the D8 is the same tool without the key programming feature.
"Who steals a mountaineer?" dunno but a better question is who wilfully buys a mountaineer to drive?
Im so lost on these scanners...that I think I may just throw in the gloves on anything after 96...I can't tell what each brand does clearly....Sure, I know what Snap On Zeus does, or the Bosch unit...but its impossible to find a simple unit that does the main things, repgroamming replaced ecus, bidirectional commands, and module code reading....I borrowed this one that one, and somehow, each one is missing a function for the car Im working on.....
Its frustrating...and then I have my own cars to work on (a few are OBD)....and Id like to get at least one fixed before I kick it...
@@RipRoaringGarage I've never seen a tool that did everything, including the factory tools. They all have holes. You learn what works best for your applications by trial and error.
@@WatchWesWork Thanks. I kind of figured it...Ive been out of the business for a long time recovering and I feel very...very left behind. And broke LOL. Im lucky if I manage to get a snapon ratchet lol (who am I kidding, I buy CDI..lol)
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In my best old man voice: "Back in my day, we had a separate key for the door locks and the ignition! Cry me a river and get off my lawn." 😆
That's right, a round head key for the door, trunk and glove box, a square head key for the ignition, manual crank windows too!! YEA!!
Make fun all you want but the system worked.
AC was roll down the windows and open the vent glass, drive faster or slower for more or less air.
Back when you could start the car without opening the doors
And the trunk
Since the Mountaineer has two different keys now … If you take the two different Ford keys (door and ignition) to a locksmith shop they can cut one side of a new key for the ignition and the other side of the new key for the door locks. That way you only need one key and use the proper side up for the ignition or door.
My dad always did this for his truck and my moms car so he only had one key
It's nice to have a relatively easy and straight forward-ish repair every now and then. I was expecting you to have to re-wire half the car, lol.
I love the programming logic; key on off 15 times, bump the brakes, honk the horn, scratch your right butt cheek and hope it works! Never had very much luck with those sequences
😄😄😄
Fun fact: the keys are two parted. The bitting on the end of the the key is for the ignition. Halfway up begins the door lock bitting. Theoretically, they could take both keys to a locksmith and merge them. Or, buy a new key and a set of small files like I did.
You are correct! I was a Ford Tech back in the day at Reynolds Ford, and it is true that the end is for the ignition and halfway up is for the doors.
Yep, did that to a '93 Taurus. Lock cylinder wore out.
Another fun fact, about 95% of the police interceptor impala's used the same door and ignition key. Most cop cars become cabs after their duty life is over. So back in the day, almost every cabbie out there was walking around with keys to any cop car they wanted.
Not true at all. There are "5 cuts" for the door locks and "6 cuts" for the ignition. The "6th cut" for the ignition locksmiths have to have a key code from a dealership and a software program to calculate the "6th cut". Than the key needs to be programmed as they are "chipped". Im a Repossession agent and cut keys and 1000's of vechicle per year.
Alot of vechicles especially high end vechicles have laser cut keys and none of the above applies or they are RFID key fobs with no key at all other than the door lock.
@@CCWSig yep and usually cop cars don't have chip keys or other immobilizer stuff so that the shop can cut new keys without the dealer.
We find these little repairs interesting,thanks.
“You” found it interesting, you are not we.
Two keys isn't too bad - I've had cars where every single lock on the car needed it's own key! The key ring was like a jailer's!
I don't even have a key for my tail gate. The electric locks work.
My motor home has 23 locks and 7 different keys.
No such thing as a Wes throwaway video. Think positive .... no hydraulic fluid was injured during this video. Thanks for taking the time.
Well, car thieves that are just starting out don't have the seniority to steal really valuable SUVs, so they have to start out with stuff like this that most people these days would be happy to learn that it got stolen.
They'll take almost anything sadly.
They are not that bad! There is a following for these... stealing one with a good transmission is not a bad investment.. as it its usually the trans that goes on these... and with so many happy owners, there is a steady market for transmissions.
In some ways it's a smart move as they are probably worth more as parts and because it's older people wouldn't think it had been stolen and they could ask top money for the parts.
When it comes to circuits, electric or hydraulic, you're the guy I go to for wisdom about them.
And South Main Auto with Eric O. He talks stuff about car circuits that give me headaches.
Almost had to get Hufflepuff Towing to get it into the shop. Well you saved on that expense. 😂
White Knuckle Towing service will have to wait another day.
Expense or fright?!
LoL 🤣😆
That’s one of the things I love about fords. It tells you in the owners manual how to program additional keys and also how to program door lock remotes without the use of any diagnostics. Just key on and off a few times. I now have 4 keys for my mondeo/contour 😊
On my 07 Transit connect you can only program a new key to the system, if you have both of the originals...does'n't work if you got the car with one key only...
:-D
True. If you have two encoded keys you can always program another one using the procedure.
I have an 01 Ranger and was left with only one key. Tired of the stress of having only one key, I needed to get another one. I went to the dealer, got a Ford OEM key, got it cut and, when I came back they figured they needed the code to program my new key...BUT FOMOCO doesn't have these codes anymore: too old they said!
I was looking at a minimum of $250 to get it done professionally, no results guaranteed (Wes, you're too far from where I'm at!! 😉)
I was finally able to sort it out on my own by placing the original encoded key and original transponder (plugged in) on a used ignition barrel ( just so they would be set right) wrapped the whole thing in foam and ziptied it underneath the dash. I can now start the truck with any aftermarket key. A hidden switch can always be set somewhere as an extra anti theft precaution.
I have heard (and seen videos) some people manage to get the chip out and set it with the transponder. I figured I'd get the same result and avoid messing up my one precious original key.
Hopefully this might help someone in a similar situation.
@@johndabato3316 I heard of that method too. Just works for people that have changed the ignition barrel with a used key from the scrapyard, they just poked out the transponder from the original key and taped it near the ignition switch, but they need still another or the original key for the doors...slightly unconvenient...
@@horstszibulski19 not at all 😀
I just used the scrapyard barrel to set the original key and transponder so they would be set at the correct spot.
(Finding this spot without an extra barrel was simply impossible. It always moved and nine time out if ten wouldn't start.)
I threw away the key that was in the scrapyard barrel, then cut the barrel in half so I could fit it under the dash and, slid the key in it.
Key fits in, doesn't need to turn.
Once the transponder is in place and plugged in, ignition on; it sends the correct signal to the anti theft unit.
The original barrel itself is still in the steering column.
This way I can use the duplicated key (not coded/no chip) to start the truck and open the doors as well.
Sorry, I hope I was clear enough 🤔
Hard to explain, a lot easier to do!! 🤣
@@johndabato3316 Thx for that extended explain! Yes that way round it will work through!
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Once again the man comes through. I have not yet seen anything you could not fix.
Oh how I love your pause when you were searching for the Fine Machine description of the vehicle.
Wes.."I'm not that strong on this system"
Me..There's NO way I'm taking that bet. Wes is just flat out amazing.
That's methed up!
I helped a friend add a key to his focus using only the car. Followed the Easter egg hunt in the manual to the T and it didn't work. Tried a number of times and then I said to do it again but hold the clutch down the whole time. Worked perfectly and I guess the fraud manual was written for the automatic transmission....
I’m fairly new to your channel but have seen quite a few of your vids. I don’t think there is anything you can’t fix. I’m impressed.
Who doesn't love a quickie in the morning ;) Glad to see that it was a simple repair, and not a wiring/computer nightmare :)
Cool Wes , short and simple repair. Have a great weekend 👋
Wes, That was some special awesome work you did there! Thanks for sharing!
And the wizardry continues.
Seems you can take the POS someone else gave up on and make it work.
Well done.
Thanks for sharing.
Wes found the “keys” to successful Mercury repair which of course are find the problem, fix it, then get rid of it as fast as possible. Glad it didn’t fight ya Wes too bad.
Hey Wes, excellent video as usual. I have to say that was no "throw away" video. I still have an 01' Ranger and a 10' Ford Escape and videos of these older cars is invaluable! Love the content bud!
Man, we need to start a GoFundMe for whoever tried to steal that Mercury. They've fallen on some really hard times ...
lol
I say we should send em to a vacation at a local penitentiary
At least they fixed the wires correctly!! That's a first!!!! Thanks Wes!
Shocking
Only recently discovered your channel. I am finding your skills very helpful. This was a really good diagnostic video albeit short that is ok with me. Thanks for the scan tool reference.
Damn the PATS system was one I had to defeat almost weekly when I did security and electronics. My 2004 Marauder has it completely defeated because of an alarm with remote start. My 2004 Town Car has it defeated just because I can. After that FoMoCo went drive by wire and CAN and I didn't have the opportunity to master it. The theft light will rapid flash with a key fault and no crank in the KOS position.
Nothing like a scan tool repair for a change. Only in the Land of Lincoln is that a desirable vehicle for a thief, lol.
Thanks Wes.
i put my ranger into a snow bank and stressed the ignition pin while turning the steering. it broke at menards one day finally so i hopped on macdonalds wifi and found out the cylinder would pop out with a nail. road the bus to my fave lock shop and got a new cylinder keyed to my original. bussed back to menards and slipped the cylinder in with a little grease. 35$ still works.
that’s my non-sensical rambling old guy story for the day 😊
A+
Man, When I first saw that Steering column mess I thought you were in over your head - but man you got the tools ! Great work Wes.
This still got the old PATS system? Key, antenna and everything had to match what was coded into the ECU or no start. GO Wes! Sure you've got the tools to do it!
"The key doesn't match the doors" yup my mind went there if you catch my drift! LoL 😉
Maybe the thieves were drunk?
Thought it was an Escalade got halfway into it and realized their mistake...
Was kinda hoping to see Wes re-pin the ignition cylinder so that the old keys would work throughout the truck...
Same here, wouldn't be hard to do, just some fiddling around and some files.
Dang! For one brief, shining moment, I thought we'd get to watch Wifey's Towing in action! :)
Another flabbergasted old man watching a wizard at work 😩👍👍
I am kinda surprised that you didn't catch this Wes. Take a new key blank and have the ignition part cut on it and then the part of the now old key that fits the door and cut it on the other half of this key. That simple, I did it with my explorer
You're saying normal keys are symmetrical both sides, but only one side is used to push the lock pins? So you can have 2 different key shapes one each side, and depending which way you insert it into the lock determines which surface engages the lock? Meaning you can operate 2 different locks with one key?
I've never heard of that before. I thought both sides of the key had to be the same to work.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Ask your locksmith and he can tell you the tip end of the key is ignition and the shank end is for the doors and tailgate... no fibs here, dead true
I just re read that and see what you said... both sides are the same as both haves of the lock are the same but just at exact same I can't say... what I refer to is the end of the key, the part that goes into the tumbler is ignition and the last half.... both sides are doors and hatch. The whole key is not cut for either part, they share on the blank
@@jovangrbic97 If you count the teeth on the key, it will usually be the first four teeth on the key are ignition and push those pins in. On the rest of the key, the part closest to what you grip push the pins in the door locks.. You can trace a key with a pencil and it should match on either side to that copied line that you traced.
Yep, total truth!
You can buy an ignition tumbler that will key itself to the original key when it's inserted. I know Dorman offers one, but use that at your digression. Not sure if you have a tool that can read keyfobs. My Autel TPMS tool can pickup the frequency and at least you know if key fob works and is correct frequency.
Also the X100 should be able to program key fobs without having to do all the sequences and dancing on one foot around the car.
Gotta love when someone puts a new key and tumbler into the vehicle and thinks it's a "plug and play" system. They forgot the "program key/locks, step. Easy 100'ish bucks for Wes. Lol
Hi Chris here from UK. Really enjoy your diagnose and sort out. great explanations and really helpful. Keep up good work.
I'm a locksmith.
Take the ignition cylinder out of the column and bring it to a locksmith with both the old key and the new keys.
Have him rekey the new lock to the old keys. Now the old keys will work all the locks.
The chip in the new key can be harvested from the "new" key and be inserted into a chipless blank that can be cut to match the old key.
Now all keys will work.
You could have avoided any programing by doing this first.
That all sounds fine, but the nearest locksmith who will do anything with chip keys is 45 miles, and whatever they will charge is more than the $60 I charge to learn the donor key. This rig is on serious budget.
@@WatchWesWork
Fair enough, as long as the customer is aware of the risk of having mismatched keys.
If they get tired of it they can always swing by a locksmith later.
If Fords system in USA is what we have in Aussi, you don't use the key to open the door if you have locked it with the remote. The alarm will still go off. I learnt the hard way. Keep up the great videos.
*Thank You* for posting it Wes! 👍
Hey Wes, nice save. Looks like you can still cut one side of the key to work the door and the other side for the ignition. Oldest trick in the Ford book. Watching videos waiting for my shop to heat up so I can A-dapt a $60 Agri-fab snowblower to my Craftsman GT 6000 tractor. Finally supposed to snow here in Detroit. Glad I'll be cutting, welding and grinding and not chasing electrical pixies like you usually do. Thanks for posting.
Wes, don't knock the FixD too much. It's helped me solve a couple minor issues and clear codes to get me down the road. My dad bought himself one then got them for my brother and I. IMO, a nice little tool to keep in your glove box.
And a corded scan tool would be my choice, since there's no bluetooth dongle to forget and leave in some flighty customer's car.
I love my fixD
Wow a day off and a watch Wes work video both damn it’s starting out to be a great day
Forget the ignition and door locks. Let’s talk about the elephant in the cabin: that bitchin shift knob.
Hey! At least it didn't have one of those stick shift anti theft devices.
I love watching your work Wes I look forward to all your videos! Classic line in this video right at the end "they can come and collect this (long pause) fine machine"!
Nice quick video.
Mountaineer’s are a nice SUV.
That looks to be the correct vintage around 06. My mountaineer also has the evap problems and exhaust manifold leaks. It doesn't have that flat screen sound system though. Other than the color their damn near twins. Great job!!!
It's funny you said it has the requisite manifold leaks.
Going back through history I remember common issues with various vehicles.
Ford likes exhaust manifold leaks and tiny little bolts to hold the questionable manifold in place(warm fuzzy)
The alarm systems were crazy hard to work on without that tool you have.
And for the older audience the Ford reach around, when you had to pull the selector in park and hold it to start the car. It wasn't a safety thing it was a wear issue that they never addressed for many years.😊
Some of the biggest problems seem to be finding parts in a timely manner right now. I have a 02 dodge ram 2500 That needs inner axle . Vac actuator. Every said axle must have been changed. NOT i bought the truck new with 38 miles. Finally found a guy in Billings Montana that knew about the truck. You just need to make LOTS of calls until you find the right person.
I have a 98 Mountaineer they're basically just Ford Explorers but still pretty awesome vehicles and very luxurious interior
The second you said replacement column fitted I was scheming at the time "LEARN THE F##KING KEYS!" hahaha
The Florida pool pump motor bearing repair guy When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info Wes
from the Netherlands thanks for the video Wes
Have a great day Wes thanks again.
Hey, it's not a "throw-away" video to me. Thanks for putting it out there, sir!
Actually, in black with a tan interior, its a nice looking little CUV. Interior needs a little cleaning, but that's easy enough.
Loved my ‘02 Mountaineer. Bought it used in ‘04 with 15K miles on it. Just sold it earlier this year with 300K miles on her.
Place where I worked had a 2001 F-150.Truck was used on two work shifts,everybody wanted a key.They bought a several blanks,programmed the keys to work.Truck failed to start Ford Dealer told us that on that model programming more than five keys would cause a no start problem in the computer.Engine would turn over but no fire to sparkplugs.
And here I was thinking I would be productive this morning! Thanks!
As soon as you picked up that piece of...... white dongle, I knew this was going to be a good one! Those little white pieces if junk mislead so many people.... (go buy these parts...)
Nice work Wes!
Hey man, I swapped out an ecm in an exploder, and had to get a locksmith to orient the ecm to the car and key. To do this, he got online with Ford in Detroit ,because this is how Ford combats theft. My locksmith is required to have two chipkeys-- the original, and a duplicate made by a dealer,$30. Both keys were needed to communicate with Detroit, using his laptop, and a patch to the OBD connector.
Thanks Wes good to have a new video.
That vehicle looks pretty clean considering, nice to have a quick and dirty repair.
Good demonstration of why a white steering wheel is a terrible idea. Thanks.
I drive a 2008 Mazda Tribute( built in Kansas City alongside the Escapes and Mariners. My ignition switch wore out and would not turn with the key far enough to turn the switch to the start position. I could make it start if I removed the lock cylinder and rotated the switch beyond where the key was able to turn it using a big screwdriver- as long as I put the key near the pats antenna loop . I needed to do this for about a month while it waited for the new switch to arrive. Apparently this was a common issue and a lot of folks got raked over the coals by dealers trying to figure this no-start problem out, and we’re left without their cars for long periods.
With the key not in position, it would not start, but It would stay running. So I figured out pretty quickly that your problem was the pcm. Wasn’t seeing the key chip that is needed. Putting the old key near the pats antenna would solve the issue sort of- as it would have defeated the immobilizing feature.
0:45 "I don't know a whole lot about it" LOL, you seem to know enough
1:34 Quick ! Sell him a battery off your rack. Lol.
Need to be pretty desperate to steal that " Fine Machine"
Stay warm up there buddy, thanks for the vid!
You think stealing that was dumb? My 95 Chevy Suburban was stolen a few years ago, so worn tbi 350 I.e. factory gutless, the thief drive into a bit of Alberta mud and got it stuck - just in time for a local Mountie to spot him. I was still filing the theft report when they caught him.
Strathmore Alberta had our 96 Buick stolen out of our garage , apparently they used a coat hanger to grab the release cord via top of garage door ,they were meth heads and they totaled that great car .
@@oldbiker9739 Simple but clever. Never thought of that, going to make sure mine is secured. Thanks for sharing
They could buy an ignition lock cylinder from Napa, I think they have the ones that can be keyed. I’ve had to do them a couple of times, great video!!
Nice way to start my Saturday Wes and his fine car repair easy fix this time 🧐🧐
At 2:04 I laughed out so hard the dog woke up… 😂😂😂
Oh, it wasn’t just a too weak battery. Never mind than
For those who are curious... You could take the old key, place it right next to the ignition switch and use the new key to start the vehicle without programming. Some folks get unchipped keys cut and end up taking the chipped key and taping it inside the plastic of the column near the ignition switch. This way, any generic key cut properly will start the vehicle.
I had to do this a while back until I could get the dealer to program new keys, because I only had one key to the vehicle, when you need two in order to do the programming yourself via ignition cycles.
I don't think that will work since the antenna in the column is not original.
@@WatchWesWork The PCM is what determines if the key is correct. An antenna is just an antenna...
One would think that just swapping the lock cylinders would do the trick to avoid the whole re-keying issue. I mean the lock is still "mechanical" so pulling the cylinder and changing it over should be fairly simple (yeah yeah Ford). Unless the morons damaged the lock cylinder with a typical theft tool (screwdriver) it should still be able to pulled and put into the new (used column). Wes, you need to fabricate yourself a wheel lift to add to your forklift so you can move stuff into the shop. Should be a fairly easy build for a skilled guy like yourself, beats pulling stuff into the shop with a chain and the hired (married) hand doing the steering. Just a thought, thanks for the Share Sir, Stay Safe..
that would require the other shop still having the lock cylinder, and that lock cylinder not being wrecked by the would-be thieves.
forklift wheel lift is a great idea 👍
@@rustyjeep2469 I know, right! Just hook it to the where the forks would hang, you could use a cylinder to extend the reach if you wanted to, or go old school manual reach. Then either forks for the wheels or to frame lift dogs like a heavy truck frame lift. No dorking around, just lift and stuff it where you want it.. Easy Peasy ( he would be the envy of UA-cam shops )
@@PandaMan02 Looks like they were too stupid to bugger the lock and thought it was an old Pontiac you could just "hot wire" old school.. Freaking kids these days, no class, no tech.. Even I have a set of bypass keys...lol
Cracked another one Wes you’re the man 👍
Wes' videos need to be long enough for me to finish my coffee. (kidding) But seriously, not enough sighing and 'but wait, there's more' for my liking. (again, kidding)
Wes, I think the “Serling pound sign” is just a reminder to charge the heck out of this job!
My mom had to deal with the same mess a few years ago. Someone tried to steal her 2006 Accord. Don't ask me why. They messed up the column pretty bad. Now it has 2 keys like this fine machine.
Ah. The joys of computers in cars.
I call this particular level of automobile, "A Clean one Owner"
It would be easier to replace the ignition cylinder with an original (vin number matching) cylinder. That vehicle is fairly new, should be easy to get an original lock cylinder. If the original steering column Is available, get the lock cylinder from it.
It's almost like there was some reason why we didn't just use the original lock cylinder...
Wes, do you ever take on any routine maintenance or repair jobs as it seems all the miserable and out of the ordinary messes show up at your door and you always do the job. Oh, except for the truck where the frame broke in half on the lift, I think that’s the only one I saw you walk away from. Keep up the good work.
my 09 ford fusion, the security lockout kicks in if you remove the battery. you needed both keys in the cabin in order to reset it. It wont even click when you try to start it. Last week when I changed the main battery, I used a odb2 holdup connector and a small motorcycle battery I had about, to keep the computer alive.
WWW vids are NEVER throw away - always learn something.
The internet knows everything, another win.
FoMoCo. Always loved em. Always will. Informative video Wes.
Super job Wes.
Ah, those auto manufacturers and their too-high technology...
My 2005 Mustang GT had the battery die in it, and so the window drop feature wasn't working. So I went on the internet, and was pleasantly and unpleasantly surprised to find out that there's a reset procedure for the damned power windows!!! So I tried the procedure and got the window drop to work again. (It drops the window a half inch or whatever when the door is opened, and raises the window back up to closed, once the door is closed.)
So after I reset the windows, the airbag light, which was stuck on, started to turn off when it was supposed to - apparently working correctly!!!
BMWs with pillarless doors have this well, have to recalibrate them after a battery disconnect etc.
@@ferrumignis Actually the Stang is quite tolerant of hard disconnects of the battery, other than the clock and radio presets. It's when the charge decays as the battery goes dead that the bugs crawl in.
Heck, even back in the 1990s, there were cars which needed a security code for the radio, I think every time the battery was disconnected. Seems logical that quite a few of those codes got away from those vehicles over a couple of decades of use...
never had to do that on my 08 GTCS drop top and the battery on mine when DEAD DEAD three times since I bought it new
1st one in 2012 2nd 2017 3rd 2021 "last month"
@@Giovanni_Litterini I wonder what caused it on mine then. I assumed it was battery charge decay. Some GM products will start the wipers wiping as the battery goes dead - with the keys not even in the ignition!!
Maybe Ford figured it out and fixed that problem after 2005 and before 2008. Mine is a first-year '05, so it probably has problems which were rectified in subsequent years.
Like our old pal Mortske would say, "Easy peasy lemon squeezie!"
Wish the fobs were that easy to program in the UK. The US nissans are like this, but not the UK ones.
Nice work Wes!
fyi you can buy a blank lock cylinder from ford and you install the pins springs and use old key not expencive but its a little time consuming i had to do a few on f 450 had a few service trucks stolen
Do you have a “Knowing where to hit” flat rate fee?
Wes,,,, I think you are the " If he cant fix it,,no one can " guy in town.