@@gangstercheesefries1112 and you clearly didn't talk enough shit the first time round, so the Holy God Emperor allowed you a second chance to redeem yourself
In my opinion he is the Primarch whose inner life, especially his struggles, is characterized with the most detail, and therefore much more understandable than the others.
Well, not the _only_ one. If Curze had artillery he'd certainly use it, and entheusiastically at that. Thankfully for everyone else including the other traitor legions, the Night Lords don't get to lead.
It should be noted as well that Peturabo wasn't just a destroyer or maker of fortresses, he made alot of grand works of architecture that even Fulgrim respected. Such as the place where the Council of Nikaea was held, which Peturabo held against the Emperor for using it to sentence or as a place of trial and censure.
I remember on adeptus rediculous when they laughed at perturabo telling his father “you never understood me” as if it were just the angst teenager thing. He never understood him. Nor did most of his brothers. His sons. Or the emperor. He was a bitter baby bitch but that’s because no one ever got that he wanted to make NICE things. Things that were good, not good at killing and siege. Also, you try seeing the eye of terror 24/7. Try not being a bit paranoid and angsty then. Anyone? I ought to be listening to the crickets, right?
@blacksabbath5300 then why didn't he make them? He could have, on any of the many planets that he instead decimated and destroyed, but he decided not to, and then wouldn't stop whining about it. The only one who didn' understand his potential was him.
He also successfully delayed Guilliman from reaching Terra by literally using entire planets as human shields and going scorched earth on entire star systems. “Spear of Ultramar” details this particularly well.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt the reason Perturabo fell in line with Horus was because he felt insecure about his worth to the Emperor and then decided to conquer his home world, and then thinking it is too late to back down he joined Horus. And along the way Horus was basically gaslighting Perturabo into making him feel even more insecure about his position in the Emperor's grand plan.
A bit of that but the horid campagns his legions was put under and the fact Big E choose Dorn over him for building the fortifications of Tera broke him. He is also extremely competant in architecture, siege and anti siege making him a equal if not above Dorn.
@@Begbrasoh he definitely beats Dorn, and he proved it twice, once at the Siege of Terra, and again at the Iron Cage, proving that not only was he the superior siege attacker, but also the superior siege defender However I believe the reason Dorn was chosen was because Dorn actually cared for the people he would be defending, whereas Perturabo didn’t even care about his own men, he was considerably more callous about spending lives to achieve victory; and say what you will about the Emperor, the dude cared about the lives of humanity Perturabo was the better builder and soldier, but Dorn was simply the better person
@@Hunter_6601 that’s why they were chosen to defend, had Perturabo been in command of the defence against Dorn then there’s a decent chance the traitors would’ve been wiped out, but the cost of that victory would’ve probably been almost every living soul on Terra, and what would be left behind would’ve been the galaxy’s biggest graveyard, the loyalists would’ve won an absolute victory, but it would’ve cost them everything in the process It was the choice between a pyrrhic victory where the traitors escape, but life in general on Terra is saved, or an absolute victory where everything mortal died and the planet left a ruin covered in siege emplacements and corpses, but all the traitor legionaries were dead
Yea, the IW were used and abused because they were too good at what they do. But their Primarch was too proud to actually bring it up, and instead festered about it. Heck, even before he turned up, the IW were used by the other legions, and when he appeared and they thought they’d finally have someone on their side, to defend them and stop other primarchs using them as fodder? He instead showed complete contempt at what they accomplished, and had his own legion murder 10%of itself, brothers beating brothers to death. Both the world eaters and iron warriors were done the worst by their primarch, at least Konrad kept it to mildly veiled contempt and scorn. It’s why the WE and IW ended up close, being sent into the worst jobs in surges, trench warfare and breaching defences, and their primarchs not really caring for them. Both could have been some of the, if not the best legions if not for their fathers…
I honestly hope they retcon the ascension junk with him. Doesn't suit his character. Sure. Fulgrim did some shit that hurt his soul but hell hear me out here. Perturabo comes back a normal human primarch. His massive form that's been seen is just a next generation logo's plate that is on par with a knight. It's daemon powered by enslaved daemons. He's also managed to engineer a device to supplement his soul off the daemons(since they are literally the stuff of the soul realm) to carry him through the fact fulgrim fucked him over in the eye of terra. He always hated what his brothers became, and if there's one primarch out there that could figure out how to use chaos but retain himself. It's him, Bring back 1 traitor primarch as a regular primarch. Then 1 loyalist, bring corax back as his daemon form that's said to be him.
@@snarley642 Well, on the other hand, I could see him choosing to ascend as a means of keeping himself alive, since he and the Iron Warriors have always been very pragmatic that way. As in it would be another case of using the powers of chaos as tools for their own advancement. But I'm quite unclear on how it's even possible to retain a true independence if you become a demonic entity, and certainly recasting him as a *worshipper* of chaos... that would be really just bad and ruins him.
@@ДокторЯдоno no, most certainly it WAS the people. His home planets people were basically known users even amongst themselves, and when Perty simply wanted to be of service they took more than full advantage. He should have said i wish only to be of use AND be appreciated for it, probably wouldnt have turned traitor if people had bothered to at least thank him for his tremendous amounts of service.
@@DeafEnderAnd the people were a product of their environment. One of the quotes that an Olympian tyrant said was the day a man loses their paranoia is the day they die. Now this is for the higher class; but the common people were also very religious. They also had to contend with monsters without seemingly being helped by the higher class; so when this gift of god comes down and slays monsters, ofc you’re not going to say oh no don’t do that. And didn’t Damacos try to show Pertuabo love? He wasn’t the best at it, by a long shot; but his family did try to connect to Pertuabo. Pertuabo wasn’t that nice to the brother, Andos? Either. Pertuabo kept challenging to different competitions and ofc he stomped him, and would rub it in his face. No wonder his brother didn’t like him. His sister during their final confrontation mentions that Pertuabo has a victim complex and seemed to latch onto any sort of negative comment, ignoring everything else.
@@DeafEnderNo Perturabo is a product of Perturabo. His own sister destroyed his baby tantrum. He is not misunderstood he is an asshole a very competent asshole but an asshole nonetheless.
I think a lot of people empathise with how thankless his job was. So I'd say he's one of the easiest to empathise with in that respect. But yes it's also because he's competent
@@godkingSomething a lot of people can also relate. A lot of folks feel themselves forced to do thankless and exhausting jobs, despite nobody actually asking it of them, presuming it's expected or that if they don't do it, their livelyhood would be threatened. And Perturabo did grow up on a world where one's worth was completely dependent on how useful they were to a tyrant.
@@godkingI think something a lot of people can relate to with Perty is how he keep suffering in silence how he chooses to keep silent even though he wish to speak but something stops him from doing so, a lot of men today would rather suffer in silence and then end it all instead of speaking out and asking for help
I woudlnt call someone that practically carried the whole Legion, brought a traitor primarch back in line, and many other things pathetic. That be the last thing I call him
@@barrydalton4743I would. Because beneath all that, beneath the contempt and competence he armors himself with, he is a child. A sad, lonely child who wishes someone would acknowledge him, pushing through adversity and expecting praise while asking for none. He gets pissed at his sister because she’s firing on all cylinders when she says as much, cracking this facade he built up as a cold, competent pragmatist in a world full of emotional idiots.
The fact that he manages to make the siege of terra somewhat functional despite his completely unhinged troupes (Angron and Fulgrim particularly) proves how insane his tactical genius is. In fact we saw that the siege began to fall when Horus handed the siege’s command to morty
As much as he hated War, so perfect was his talent for it. He wasn't someone who lived for it, all this masterful planning and execution of these was to end all of it. Wouldn't it been for his Ego, social isolation and lack of empathy from the ones he needed, he would have been one of the greatest under us.
He got empathy. Almost everything we see in the story that isn’t from Perturabo’s perspective, we see people reaching out hands to him. His foster father on Olympia was bad at it, but he tried in his own way. His foster sister as well. The emperor, and several of the primarchs all tried, and every time a hand was reached out, he slapped it away. 93% of Perturabo’s problems were entirely self inflicted
From what i understand he realised the horrors that he committed to his home world and he knew that killing his sister was the wrong thing to do as soon as he did it but what really drove him to traitor was the emperor's lack of any reaction which dug deeper the thoughts that his father doesn't actually care about him or what he does and Horus essentialy drove the final nail into the coffin after conbincing perurabo
A) the Emperor was a *tad* busy at the time. (Though being fair Perturabo could hardly have known that) and B) Perturabo sided with Horus because he *forgave* him for what Perturabo had decided was an unforgivable crime. Which is some bizarre double think, but expecting introspection from him is like expecting abstinence from Slaanesh
Perturabo is a walking bitchfit because he had the eye of terror starting him down constantly since he was a kid and was constantly undermined by the emperor and the other primarchs.
Imagine seeing an angry eye at the sky and everyone else telling you there’s nothing 😬 a being of his intellect must have concluded that he was going mad 100%
I think hes an example of abuse in the form of being a genius while not being appreciated properly for it while feigning humbleness and expecting some praise for it. Meanwhile people like the Khan and Leman Russ were showboating their achievements and Perty is just sulking in a corner building a kind of dour rage for over 100 years. its like looking at the USA right now and seeing all the moron sports stars and idiot muscisians reaping fame and fortune while Perty is like a collection of giga geniuses using his talents to make more efficient mops or grease cleaners.
@@konosmgr its most likely some chaos fvckery. Besides, other books only described the eye visible when you were actually close to it geographically (in the milky way). But I remember reading that Perturabo could see it on any sky in any world he visited. Which should be abnormal, even for primarch super eye sight. And since he didn’t want to be seen as „weak“ by being able to see something others couldn’t, he kept quiet.
I gotta admit, his pettiness is on another level. The fact that during the Horus heresy he looked all around him and essentially went: “you know, F this.” But before he leaves, he blows up the Imperial defenses to prove a point. Plus the dude annihilates Dorn and his legion only for Robot Gorilla Man to bail him out.
Perterabo is autism incarnate and honestly, I find him... too relatable at times so, I very much get it... sometimes paranoia and childhood trauma can make one do regrettable things and when pressure builds up, logic pops and a manic need for control kicks in and sometimes it goes way too far
The Lion wasn’t a lie detector, he needed someone else for anything like that. It’s one of the reasons he had valued Luther so much to begin with. He had 1 charisma essentially but as soon as it came to battle tactics or single combat became a god.
Thing is, military leadership does involve lying. Faints, flanking, retreats, heck he was also the police force amongst his brothers. The problem, is if you were never on his shit list (which almost everyone was on), you could get away with anything infront of him. Once you’re on it, you’re never off and can’t get away with stuff for the most part. Otherwise, you’re golden, either cause he likes you or doesn’t see you as a threat. He thought only those on his shit list would be capable of betraying him. Luther, his Caliban dad, that he had an amazing relationship for most of his earlier life, was not on said shit list (same with a couple of his primarch brothers). Perty was not on his shit list, because he thought Perty wasn’t dangerous enough to be on it. He’d be able to deal with any problems Perty caused, and they wouldn’t be really worth the 1st legion being worried about. You’re one of the like 6 people not on that list? You could convince the lion giving you men of iron to use as a book end. If you’re on it, you can’t fart without him having suspecting you of leading a massive traitor cult.
@@daddypudding9074 Yes I get faints flanking and such could count as deception but it’s more face to face deception he wouldn’t understand. But the entire reason he had that type of list was because he can’t tell if someone is lying to his face, which is why he tried to pick second in commands who could tell, Luther was this, and he was incredible at it. But he lacked that assistance from then on so he had to solely rely on his sort of list system.
@@TechPriest000Correct. The Lion is a born hunter. Not a schemer. He could not deal with others interpersonal deception worth shit (even if he could lie himself). But hunting he sure as hell could. Thats why hes my favourite. Behind all that knightly aesthetic and pomp there is nothing but a feral, savage killer barely restrained. Even Kurze and Angron aint shit to the Lion. Hes an apex predator and even the spawn of the warp are his prey.
@@jmlaw8888if anyone would have refused to hand over the cannons it would have been Vulkan look at the dawnbringer story he could smell changes in people he would have literally just said ohh your appealing to my humanity to have me hand the guns over to you Come and take them brother
Convincing the Lion isn't an achievement. The whole character/story arc of the Lion is about him being unable to understand emotions and being unable to read the feelings of those around him. He didn't even realise what he did to Luthor and oh boy... that turned out just as well as trusting Perturabo.
Which is why I like what they are doing with him now that he's back. He is empathetic to the Fallen because he realized it was his fault those sons of his were hunted across the galaxy and back for ten thousand years.
Tbf, these were the weapons the lion had super dibs pn, that only he could give out, so it is a bit of one that someone other than an equal like Horus managed to cajole it out of him. But like you said, he played to his pride and took advantage of he bad situation.
Reading the book it feels like the Lion convinced himself really. Perturabo barely said anything to him. Not sure why he didn't shoot the Lion after either...
I don't know why people make a big deal of him getting those weapons from Lion either. It was super-early in the conflict and nobody had any reason to think anyone other that Horus and those with him had tuned. It could have been anyone and to be honest, Perturabo didn't really even say that much, he was frankly surprised and impressed Lion had the foresight to get those weapons in the first place.
@@Cornerboy73 It was during opening moves of Horus Heresy when traitors would had been discovered in time anyways. Dies were cast at that point. He could not had given those weapons at a later date even if he had tried to.
If perturabo had been written by one author throughout his books I think he would've made a much more compelling character. As it stands we really have 3 versions of him spread across his books none of which are consistent with the others
From what I've seen in story telling, one good trait that's given to all the characters you're supposed to like and removed from characters you're supposed to hate is competence.
I love how the entire heresy boils down to the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists pounding the dog shit out of each other, hating every single second of it, but being too stubborn to quit.
The only thing that really hurt Purt and limited him was Purt himself. He turned againts the Emperor for a head pat, thumbs up and a "good job-You're super" sticker.
A little known fact about the Horus heresy is that if they had listened to perturabo on how to attack Tara effectively things probably would have went differently but everyone was to wrapped up in their own petty little disputes to listen to him.
From iron cometh strength From strength cometh will From will cometh faith From faith cometh honor From honor cometh IRON This is the unbreakable litany, may it forever be so. IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!
Perturabo is extremely relatable because he spent his whole life being taken advantage and then finally broke free of his, largely self-imposed, restrictions.
I couldn't relate to Perturabo for a while until one day, I saw someone say "If everyone in 40k was a person in real life, Perturabo is the triple PhD college graduate who is forced to work at Walmart." Thought it was stupid at first but the more I think about it, the more it feels true. I now can't stop feeling bad for him.
So one thing no one ever seems to bring attention to is Perturabo’s name. He was perturbed by the seeing the very thing that he would name the Eye of Terror, wherever he went. On his homeworld of Olympia and when he part of the Great Crusade, it was always there. As coldly logical as he was, how it must have unnerved him that no one else could see this thing….until he finally realized that it was in fact real, and it could be visited. I think this cracked him a little bit. For decades, it was merely his delusion, perhaps a minor defect of his creation. Now? Now there was something horribly wrong with Peturabo. Out of fear, he could turn to no one, or, in his eyes, be revealed as defective. And if the II and XI had already been put to the Edict of Obliteration…. I almost wonder if the slaughter that came to Olympia was due to his fear that someone there still lived that knew he had a guard if they could see the Eye. Oh, he used the rebellion as an excuse for sure. But I suspect fear drove him. Of course, killing his sister turned the crack into a broken Primarch, one too easily manipulated by the most diplomatic of Primarchs, Horus. By the end of the Heresy, I think he had left his fear behind. Especially after Fulgrim tried using Peturabo’s own life to fuel Fulgrim’s Ascension. All he had left pride and regret. I will say I am not a fan of the idea that Peturabo actually Ascended to Daemonhood. It frankly feels out of touch with any interpretation of the Primarch I have come across. Except for one. That Peturabo viewed the Emperor as as near to a perfect being that one could possibly achieve. The Chaos Gods are an expression of emotions and desires of humanity. The only reason justifiable I can think of as to why Perturabo would embrace Chaos is because he viewed that convergence of all 4 Gods, as when they acted to spirit the Primarchs in their gestation pods away from the Emperor on Terra, as either more perfect than the Emperor or as the closest he would ever get to a substitute
If you've ever worked construction or in a factory. You've almost assuredly had a boss like Perturabo. The guys a bitch, everyone hates his guts, he's a whiny asshole. But eventually he gets promoted out, or fired, and the work site goes to complete shit almost immediately. The guy sucks, but he was good at his job.
Let's see how anyone would cope handling the most brutal tasks while Hell stared at you and watched. He named it the "Eye of Terror" in the Imperium's database, a small cry for help, an admission of vulnerability from the Lord of Iron. But he endured on, moving towards the opportunities left to him. Sounds like an aspect of the Emperor required to sit in a chair facing Hell for 10000 years. Directly brutal defiance and pure stubbornness. Peter Turbo is only one soul where as the Emperor is an entire parliament of arguing opinions for company.
Perturabo advantages 1- he still engages with the Iron Warriors 2- he is the only Primarch Abbadon actually is respectful of 3 - he actually still runs his legion close to an active primarch right down to providing geneseed If the emperor had kept him loyal, Perturabo would have been running the whole damn empire
I’d say he’s like Morty combined with Dorn which is a best of both worlds being intelligent but also foolish enough to where it ends up being detrimental to his life if he stayed longer on Terra they’d have more damage against the loyalists or close to victory as Perty blew 18 holes onto the palace walls and left as his team was either crazy or not even fighting or taking orders
@@jefferycrouse4652yeahhhh it was super dysfunctional and difficult Lorgar was acting like a wuss Alpha Legion was conflicted and Konrad was suicidal and a lunatic too Horus was chilling it was basically Morty and Perty doing most of the work and Magnus got his ass handed to him va Leman and Vulkan too
Angel Exterminatus is my favorite version of Puerty. He's written so well in the book. I genuinely felt bad for him when fulgrim betrayed him in the end. He built an Amphitheater that we would consider a world wonder on earth in a few days because his brother fulgrim asked him to just so he could tell a story. He cried out when fulgrim was shot in head telling that story too. Lol etc. Loved that book.
I have often said that Horus intended to break his brother for him to have in the rebellion. It was Horus who gave him the worst of the jobs time after time. Also, it's all too convenient that the moment after Perturabo is at his lowest, Horus shows up to pick up the pieces. Otherwise, the Horus Haracey would have been nothing without the Iron Warriors.
@slb797 My point exactly. Without the Iron Warriors, the Haracy would be a foot note. Which is why I think Horus broke his brother in order to stand a chance
I wanna see the fight between Perturabo and demon Angron, because all I imagine is Perty doing wrestling moves on him. Imagine how funny it would be to watch Perty suplex Angron
walking lie detector my ass, he's just paranoid after being tricked so many times lmao if the lion an perty had one thing in common in the heresy its being socially inept.
Perturabo: Autistic sibling, I, your autistic Sibling need your weapons Lion: of course autistic Sibling, I, your autistic Sibling shall give you as much as you need
“Just make sure they’re put to good use” Jonson sighed. “I shall” said Perturabo, Primarch of the Iron Warriors. That was a good ending. And I’ve gotten good at screening the lines below with my hand to make sure I don’t glimpse several lines ahead by mistake. The Horus Heresy has at least taught me that much.
Perturabo is the by far most underrated Primarch. He is a literal idiot when it comes to ANYTHING social, from diputes, to politics over games to a simple conversation - but he is a logistical, tactical and strategic mastermind. Obviously I love the lion but in my opinion, he is the greatest of them all when it comes to warfare
I've often had a head fantasy of him finding redemption. However instead of switching allegiance to the Imperium as it stands, he fights to bring back what the Emperor once truly fought for. An Empire built on the Imperial Truth
That would let him fight both Imperium and Chaos forces. Robooty sends him sanguinala cards and chocolate. Fulgrim sends him space drugs made out of people
Standing at the verge of victory over the Imperium of man, he looks over to his brothers, and at their image he says: "You know what? Fuck you guys, I'm out!"
He is Like His father. Incredible competent in every technical Thing, including buisness like negotation, but incredibly incompetent in being a human and to be connected to his humanity.
Me and many fellow autistic people i know like Perturabo because he has a lot of traits and qualities autistic people have, i don't know if the writers of his character intended this or not, but i can somewhat empathize with feeling like nobody thinks you matter, but conversely not wanting praise. He also seems to be able to judge his brothers' character and way of thinking, he's like a facial and language reading machine and can ascertain the most likely outcome of a conversation, something autistic people also constantly do with planning conversations out before they take place. *Sorry about the word salad*
pertuarbo is one of the traitors that so easily could have stayed loyal if people just gave him some respect and gratitude. I'm conviced that if he and vulkan became closer then he would have turned out much better.
He's like that one athlete on that team you hate, where he never does win a championship, and he's a massive primadonna who constantly makes a scene, but his ability to ball is never in question by anyone.
Perturabo is almost like an emotionless tantrum. Like his actions feel like he is driven by emotions but filtered by logic so he isnt frothing at the mouth angry or scheming plans within plans
He's not only Manchild but he is an effective manchild
A asshole who’s smart is a dangerous situation
Manchild is a bit too much credit, he was a straight up man baby
@@theworldsgreatestjidiot9667an effective baby.
@@theworldsgreatestjidiot9667 He might be a man baby, but he's a COMPETENT man baby.
A persistently bruised ego is one hell of a motivator
Little known fact: although pertuarbo’s armor was known as the logos, his back pack had its own name: the entire traitor war effort.
And boy did he carry it well
Yes he did
Wanted to like, but it was at 888 and I don't wish to displease Khorne.
@@BadPacifistwe have no such qualms
-Necrons
Haha good stuff
Perty is basically both the traitor dorn and the traitor guilliman
With the equal amounts of high functioning from both
Perturabo was a diplomat?
@@Hyde-dg7ef he's no diplomat but an effective manager.
Except he had the fortitude of dorn minus guilliman or in other words barely any
he's as stern as dorn, as pragmatic and guiliman, as tech-savy as vulkan, and as fucked in the head as konrad
Bricky said it best, the reason why Perturabo is likable is because he's competent.
Considering Bricky gets almost all his info from a wiki page, that's about all he knew about him anyway.
@@elyrienvalkyr8167 he did read his Primarch book for his perty episode
Well, Bricky strictly reads wiki so....
YEP @@elyrienvalkyr8167
Are we gatekeeping lore in this reply section?
Perturabo In a nutshell: he talks a lotta shit, but he backs it up
If you can back up your shit talking then you know you're a force to be reckoned with
@@Vintenuthewizard until someone bigger than you smacks you back down
@@zambekiller That simply means you have a new target
@@gangstercheesefries1112 I am a loyal Krieger of humanity not some degenerate Khorn worshiper
@@gangstercheesefries1112 and you clearly didn't talk enough shit the first time round, so the Holy God Emperor allowed you a second chance to redeem yourself
Peter Turbo really is a good character. My favorite traitor primarch for sure.
Ok now i have to look up for traitor peter griffin
Wait till you find out about a girly Man.@@kerimozdemir4009
Peter Turbo
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Peter Muh frickin TURBO!!!!!
In my opinion he is the Primarch whose inner life, especially his struggles, is characterized with the most detail, and therefore much more understandable than the others.
The only primarch to realize that he Has an ass-load of cannons that he can use anytime he wants.
The only Primarch to realize he doesn’t need to melee combat to assert dominance or kill the enemy
@@slb797 he is basically the tau but imperial
@@Edible_edibilityif Peter Turbo could hear you, he’d be very angry. And very depressed.
So business as usual 😂
@@TheGosgosh what's the difference?
I guess it would go to the more angry than depressed side
Well, not the _only_ one.
If Curze had artillery he'd certainly use it, and entheusiastically at that.
Thankfully for everyone else including the other traitor legions, the Night Lords don't get to lead.
It should be noted as well that Peturabo wasn't just a destroyer or maker of fortresses, he made alot of grand works of architecture that even Fulgrim respected. Such as the place where the Council of Nikaea was held, which Peturabo held against the Emperor for using it to sentence or as a place of trial and censure.
I remember on adeptus rediculous when they laughed at perturabo telling his father “you never understood me” as if it were just the angst teenager thing. He never understood him. Nor did most of his brothers. His sons. Or the emperor. He was a bitter baby bitch but that’s because no one ever got that he wanted to make NICE things. Things that were good, not good at killing and siege. Also, you try seeing the eye of terror 24/7. Try not being a bit paranoid and angsty then. Anyone? I ought to be listening to the crickets, right?
Peter turbo made a clock tower for row boat girly man that’s still used in ultramar to this day if I recall.
@blacksabbath5300 then why didn't he make them? He could have, on any of the many planets that he instead decimated and destroyed, but he decided not to, and then wouldn't stop whining about it. The only one who didn' understand his potential was him.
@@jacobsatterlee3941to be fair I don’t think the emperor would be happy with Perturabo just fucking off to make shit..
Even before the heresy
He also successfully delayed Guilliman from reaching Terra by literally using entire planets as human shields and going scorched earth on entire star systems. “Spear of Ultramar” details this particularly well.
Peter Turbo Cartman - "Screw you guys, Im going home." Leaves and takes the whole siege of terra with him lol.
"i run on a combination of spite, bitterness and tantrums, "father" got nothing on me"
"IT'S JUST A PHASE"
Perturabo
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasnt the reason Perturabo fell in line with Horus was because he felt insecure about his worth to the Emperor and then decided to conquer his home world, and then thinking it is too late to back down he joined Horus. And along the way Horus was basically gaslighting Perturabo into making him feel even more insecure about his position in the Emperor's grand plan.
A bit of that but the horid campagns his legions was put under and the fact Big E choose Dorn over him for building the fortifications of Tera broke him.
He is also extremely competant in architecture, siege and anti siege making him a equal if not above Dorn.
@@Begbrasoh he definitely beats Dorn, and he proved it twice, once at the Siege of Terra, and again at the Iron Cage, proving that not only was he the superior siege attacker, but also the superior siege defender
However I believe the reason Dorn was chosen was because Dorn actually cared for the people he would be defending, whereas Perturabo didn’t even care about his own men, he was considerably more callous about spending lives to achieve victory; and say what you will about the Emperor, the dude cared about the lives of humanity
Perturabo was the better builder and soldier, but Dorn was simply the better person
@@3adgamd3rhe’s only a good defender when the only goal is defending himself lol, imperial fists actually defend with the goal of minimizing losses
@@Hunter_6601 that’s why they were chosen to defend, had Perturabo been in command of the defence against Dorn then there’s a decent chance the traitors would’ve been wiped out, but the cost of that victory would’ve probably been almost every living soul on Terra, and what would be left behind would’ve been the galaxy’s biggest graveyard, the loyalists would’ve won an absolute victory, but it would’ve cost them everything in the process
It was the choice between a pyrrhic victory where the traitors escape, but life in general on Terra is saved, or an absolute victory where everything mortal died and the planet left a ruin covered in siege emplacements and corpses, but all the traitor legionaries were dead
Yea, the IW were used and abused because they were too good at what they do.
But their Primarch was too proud to actually bring it up, and instead festered about it.
Heck, even before he turned up, the IW were used by the other legions, and when he appeared and they thought they’d finally have someone on their side, to defend them and stop other primarchs using them as fodder?
He instead showed complete contempt at what they accomplished, and had his own legion murder 10%of itself, brothers beating brothers to death.
Both the world eaters and iron warriors were done the worst by their primarch, at least Konrad kept it to mildly veiled contempt and scorn.
It’s why the WE and IW ended up close, being sent into the worst jobs in surges, trench warfare and breaching defences, and their primarchs not really caring for them.
Both could have been some of the, if not the best legions if not for their fathers…
I just like that he wears a tank and rides a tank while doing so
He's just so... tanky
I mean there's a loyalist called Crow Crow, so the traitors can even the name playing field by naming him Perty "Tank Tank" turbo
But would you rather ride a tank or a bright green smart car built by Vulkan
@@wargey3431the tank
What I love most about him is how much he really cared for and respected his brothers.
There are so many instances you could point to that show this
2 of my top examples:
In Angel Exterminatus with Fulgrim and Vulkan
In Magnus the Red: Master of Prospero with....well Magnus the Red
My favorite was him talking to fulgrim about the mini titan vulkan made
@@liamdoorhy7155 doesn't he mash his face into it
@@dualityofemyeah, after he got fulgrim to "take a closer look" he also showed he could have killed him right there
@@paulboggess1330so much drama with Ferrus, and then Perturabo does more with bare fists than Ferrus full intended to kill Fulgrim
The man is also such a good crafstman that his wargear getting aged millions of years in an instant was barely enough to dull the shine.
If Perty ever returns, I imagine his model will be a bigger version of the Chaos Obliterators
honestly, that would be friggin amazing to see ngl...
I honestly hope they retcon the ascension junk with him. Doesn't suit his character. Sure. Fulgrim did some shit that hurt his soul but hell hear me out here.
Perturabo comes back a normal human primarch. His massive form that's been seen is just a next generation logo's plate that is on par with a knight. It's daemon powered by enslaved daemons. He's also managed to engineer a device to supplement his soul off the daemons(since they are literally the stuff of the soul realm) to carry him through the fact fulgrim fucked him over in the eye of terra.
He always hated what his brothers became, and if there's one primarch out there that could figure out how to use chaos but retain himself. It's him, Bring back 1 traitor primarch as a regular primarch. Then 1 loyalist, bring corax back as his daemon form that's said to be him.
@@snarley642 Well, on the other hand, I could see him choosing to ascend as a means of keeping himself alive, since he and the Iron Warriors have always been very pragmatic that way. As in it would be another case of using the powers of chaos as tools for their own advancement. But I'm quite unclear on how it's even possible to retain a true independence if you become a demonic entity, and certainly recasting him as a *worshipper* of chaos... that would be really just bad and ruins him.
@@Arbaaltheundefeated
Chaos Gods see that Perturabo gives no sh1t about them and refuse to elevate him to daemon prince.
Perturabo ascends anyway.
@@Arbaaltheundefeatedcould always have him ascend chaos undivided or have voshtarr give him "I fix you up but you become a worker for me, alright?"
Perturabo was a product of Olympia. That makes it the only planet which definitely deserved what it got from him.
Not the people.
@@ДокторЯдоno no, most certainly it WAS the people. His home planets people were basically known users even amongst themselves, and when Perty simply wanted to be of service they took more than full advantage. He should have said i wish only to be of use AND be appreciated for it, probably wouldnt have turned traitor if people had bothered to at least thank him for his tremendous amounts of service.
@@DeafEnderAnd the people were a product of their environment. One of the quotes that an Olympian tyrant said was the day a man loses their paranoia is the day they die. Now this is for the higher class; but the common people were also very religious. They also had to contend with monsters without seemingly being helped by the higher class; so when this gift of god comes down and slays monsters, ofc you’re not going to say oh no don’t do that.
And didn’t Damacos try to show Pertuabo love? He wasn’t the best at it, by a long shot; but his family did try to connect to Pertuabo. Pertuabo wasn’t that nice to the brother, Andos? Either. Pertuabo kept challenging to different competitions and ofc he stomped him, and would rub it in his face. No wonder his brother didn’t like him.
His sister during their final confrontation mentions that Pertuabo has a victim complex and seemed to latch onto any sort of negative comment, ignoring everything else.
@@DeafEnderNo Perturabo is a product of Perturabo. His own sister destroyed his baby tantrum. He is not misunderstood he is an asshole a very competent asshole but an asshole nonetheless.
I think a lot of people empathise with how thankless his job was. So I'd say he's one of the easiest to empathise with in that respect. But yes it's also because he's competent
He actively made it thankless.
@@godkingSomething a lot of people can also relate. A lot of folks feel themselves forced to do thankless and exhausting jobs, despite nobody actually asking it of them, presuming it's expected or that if they don't do it, their livelyhood would be threatened.
And Perturabo did grow up on a world where one's worth was completely dependent on how useful they were to a tyrant.
@@godkingI think something a lot of people can relate to with Perty is how he keep suffering in silence how he chooses to keep silent even though he wish to speak but something stops him from doing so, a lot of men today would rather suffer in silence and then end it all instead of speaking out and asking for help
you know it's bad when he's the one you can relate the most on every level
He's a pathetic babyman, and i love him so fucking much.
Hey hey, he’s a *competent* pathetic baby man
I woudlnt call someone that practically carried the whole Legion, brought a traitor primarch back in line, and many other things pathetic. That be the last thing I call him
@@barrydalton4743 pathetic most probably characterises his personality, not competency
@@barrydalton4743 No amount of lead can fix insecurity.
@@barrydalton4743I would. Because beneath all that, beneath the contempt and competence he armors himself with, he is a child. A sad, lonely child who wishes someone would acknowledge him, pushing through adversity and expecting praise while asking for none. He gets pissed at his sister because she’s firing on all cylinders when she says as much, cracking this facade he built up as a cold, competent pragmatist in a world full of emotional idiots.
Every universe needs a Starscream.
Underrated comment right here 👏
You know what…that’s fairly bang on pint 😂
I think Lorgar would be the Starscream given that he tried to overthrow Horus and failed miserably
Perty is too competent to be Starscream...
I think perty is closer to soundwave
I love that he ragequit the Horus Heresy because of how sick and tired he was of carrying such incompetent teammates
The fact that he manages to make the siege of terra somewhat functional despite his completely unhinged troupes (Angron and Fulgrim particularly) proves how insane his tactical genius is. In fact we saw that the siege began to fall when Horus handed the siege’s command to morty
Morty was going to break Dorn mentally, the problem, as always, was everyone’s favourite mad-man Jaghatai “I go too fast to catch” Khan
@@wizardofaus7013 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, morty only tactics was « fuck it we ball » but since Perturabo did all the hard work, it worked💀
@@jeanmariek2851 it was more like “give up bitch we got you surrounded” and it started getting Dorn thinking “you know maybe he right”
The heresy was basically his "who's laughing now" moment
As much as he hated War, so perfect was his talent for it. He wasn't someone who lived for it, all this masterful planning and execution of these was to end all of it. Wouldn't it been for his Ego, social isolation and lack of empathy from the ones he needed, he would have been one of the greatest under us.
If he was working with Guilliman the Imperium might have a bigger chance.
He got empathy. Almost everything we see in the story that isn’t from Perturabo’s perspective, we see people reaching out hands to him. His foster father on Olympia was bad at it, but he tried in his own way. His foster sister as well. The emperor, and several of the primarchs all tried, and every time a hand was reached out, he slapped it away. 93% of Perturabo’s problems were entirely self inflicted
@@olorinmagus4479 nah
To be fair johnson never thought his brothers would fall to chaos
Legend has it that the reason Perterabo hasn’t been seen is because he’s still getting over his back problems from carrying the heresy.
From what i understand he realised the horrors that he committed to his home world and he knew that killing his sister was the wrong thing to do as soon as he did it but what really drove him to traitor was the emperor's lack of any reaction which dug deeper the thoughts that his father doesn't actually care about him or what he does and Horus essentialy drove the final nail into the coffin after conbincing perurabo
A) the Emperor was a *tad* busy at the time. (Though being fair Perturabo could hardly have known that) and B) Perturabo sided with Horus because he *forgave* him for what Perturabo had decided was an unforgivable crime. Which is some bizarre double think, but expecting introspection from him is like expecting abstinence from Slaanesh
Perturabo is a walking bitchfit because he had the eye of terror starting him down constantly since he was a kid and was constantly undermined by the emperor and the other primarchs.
Anyone would be messed up if they basically saw into The Eye of Terror 24/7
Imagine seeing an angry eye at the sky and everyone else telling you there’s nothing 😬 a being of his intellect must have concluded that he was going mad 100%
I think hes an example of abuse in the form of being a genius while not being appreciated properly for it while feigning humbleness and expecting some praise for it. Meanwhile people like the Khan and Leman Russ were showboating their achievements and Perty is just sulking in a corner building a kind of dour rage for over 100 years. its like looking at the USA right now and seeing all the moron sports stars and idiot muscisians reaping fame and fortune while Perty is like a collection of giga geniuses using his talents to make more efficient mops or grease cleaners.
@@TheGosgosh WHy others couldnt see it?
@@konosmgr its most likely some chaos fvckery. Besides, other books only described the eye visible when you were actually close to it geographically (in the milky way).
But I remember reading that Perturabo could see it on any sky in any world he visited. Which should be abnormal, even for primarch super eye sight. And since he didn’t want to be seen as „weak“ by being able to see something others couldn’t, he kept quiet.
Perturabo is the employee who is so damn good at his job you can’t fire him, despite being so emotionally volatile.
I gotta admit, his pettiness is on another level. The fact that during the Horus heresy he looked all around him and essentially went: “you know, F this.” But before he leaves, he blows up the Imperial defenses to prove a point. Plus the dude annihilates Dorn and his legion only for Robot Gorilla Man to bail him out.
Iron cage was fucking hilarious
Perterabo is autism incarnate and honestly, I find him... too relatable at times so, I very much get it...
sometimes paranoia and childhood trauma can make one do regrettable things and when pressure builds up, logic pops and a manic need for control kicks in and sometimes it goes way too far
i feel like there's a lot of primarchs that could be considered autism incarnate , and i say this with love
@@dualityofem Well they are sons of the emperor...
@@dualityofem
Dorn and Perterabo are the top of autism incarnate though.
*I'm in this photo and I don't like it.*
Pete turbo boat is pretty rad when he’s not being downplayed by his brothers or the emperor.
He's usually downplaying himself
VENGEANCE AS A VIRTUE BROTHER! IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!
*Art of War by Perturabo*
Step 1: Thou shall embrace thy brother Angron.
Step 2: Thou shall face thy foeman, aiming thy Angron.
Step 3: Thou shall yeet thy Angron.
Step 4: Profit.
This is funny to me. Carry on.
The Lion wasn’t a lie detector, he needed someone else for anything like that. It’s one of the reasons he had valued Luther so much to begin with. He had 1 charisma essentially but as soon as it came to battle tactics or single combat became a god.
Yeah he's kind of autistic and really bad with people
Thing is, military leadership does involve lying. Faints, flanking, retreats, heck he was also the police force amongst his brothers.
The problem, is if you were never on his shit list (which almost everyone was on), you could get away with anything infront of him. Once you’re on it, you’re never off and can’t get away with stuff for the most part. Otherwise, you’re golden, either cause he likes you or doesn’t see you as a threat.
He thought only those on his shit list would be capable of betraying him.
Luther, his Caliban dad, that he had an amazing relationship for most of his earlier life, was not on said shit list (same with a couple of his primarch brothers).
Perty was not on his shit list, because he thought Perty wasn’t dangerous enough to be on it. He’d be able to deal with any problems Perty caused, and they wouldn’t be really worth the 1st legion being worried about.
You’re one of the like 6 people not on that list? You could convince the lion giving you men of iron to use as a book end. If you’re on it, you can’t fart without him having suspecting you of leading a massive traitor cult.
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Yes I get faints flanking and such could count as deception but it’s more face to face deception he wouldn’t understand.
But the entire reason he had that type of list was because he can’t tell if someone is lying to his face, which is why he tried to pick second in commands who could tell, Luther was this, and he was incredible at it. But he lacked that assistance from then on so he had to solely rely on his sort of list system.
@@TechPriest000Correct. The Lion is a born hunter. Not a schemer. He could not deal with others interpersonal deception worth shit (even if he could lie himself). But hunting he sure as hell could.
Thats why hes my favourite. Behind all that knightly aesthetic and pomp there is nothing but a feral, savage killer barely restrained. Even Kurze and Angron aint shit to the Lion. Hes an apex predator and even the spawn of the warp are his prey.
@@jmlaw8888if anyone would have refused to hand over the cannons it would have been Vulkan look at the dawnbringer story he could smell changes in people he would have literally just said ohh your appealing to my humanity to have me hand the guns over to you
Come and take them brother
He has always been my favorite of the traitor primarchs
The writing of this short is on another level. Dayum.
Convincing the Lion isn't an achievement. The whole character/story arc of the Lion is about him being unable to understand emotions and being unable to read the feelings of those around him. He didn't even realise what he did to Luthor and oh boy... that turned out just as well as trusting Perturabo.
Which is why I like what they are doing with him now that he's back. He is empathetic to the Fallen because he realized it was his fault those sons of his were hunted across the galaxy and back for ten thousand years.
Tbf, these were the weapons the lion had super dibs pn, that only he could give out, so it is a bit of one that someone other than an equal like Horus managed to cajole it out of him.
But like you said, he played to his pride and took advantage of he bad situation.
Reading the book it feels like the Lion convinced himself really. Perturabo barely said anything to him. Not sure why he didn't shoot the Lion after either...
I don't know why people make a big deal of him getting those weapons from Lion either. It was super-early in the conflict and nobody had any reason to think anyone other that Horus and those with him had tuned. It could have been anyone and to be honest, Perturabo didn't really even say that much, he was frankly surprised and impressed Lion had the foresight to get those weapons in the first place.
@@Cornerboy73 It was during opening moves of Horus Heresy when traitors would had been discovered in time anyways. Dies were cast at that point. He could not had given those weapons at a later date even if he had tried to.
If perturabo had been written by one author throughout his books I think he would've made a much more compelling character. As it stands we really have 3 versions of him spread across his books none of which are consistent with the others
I have to agree with you on that.
When you’re a perfectly carved statue but Perturabo is nearby:😬
From what I've seen in story telling, one good trait that's given to all the characters you're supposed to like and removed from characters you're supposed to hate is competence.
I love how the entire heresy boils down to the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists pounding the dog shit out of each other, hating every single second of it, but being too stubborn to quit.
Remember that time Perty used a perpetual motion decive as a facial reconstruction tool on Fulgrim?
Good times.
The only thing that really hurt Purt and limited him was Purt himself. He turned againts the Emperor for a head pat, thumbs up and a "good job-You're super" sticker.
Imagine if perturabo and dorn actually got along. Doubt anything could beat that kind of team up
Perturabo has the highest highs and the lowest lows, thats a good character
A little known fact about the Horus heresy is that if they had listened to perturabo on how to attack Tara effectively things probably would have went differently but everyone was to wrapped up in their own petty little disputes to listen to him.
As a man once said:
"A man so laughably pity, so incredibly bitter, that he goes full circle to become likeable, why? Cause he's competent"
From iron cometh strength
From strength cometh will
From will cometh faith
From faith cometh honor
From honor cometh IRON
This is the unbreakable litany, may it forever be so. IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!
And that's the sad truth, Iron doesn't bend, it just breaks.
Peter Turbo is one of my favorite Primarchs to read about.
Perturabo is extremely relatable because he spent his whole life being taken advantage and then finally broke free of his, largely self-imposed, restrictions.
Alternate Universe Perturabo:
*Puts an Iron Cage around the Eye of Terror.*
I couldn't relate to Perturabo for a while until one day, I saw someone say "If everyone in 40k was a person in real life, Perturabo is the triple PhD college graduate who is forced to work at Walmart." Thought it was stupid at first but the more I think about it, the more it feels true. I now can't stop feeling bad for him.
So one thing no one ever seems to bring attention to is Perturabo’s name. He was perturbed by the seeing the very thing that he would name the Eye of Terror, wherever he went. On his homeworld of Olympia and when he part of the Great Crusade, it was always there. As coldly logical as he was, how it must have unnerved him that no one else could see this thing….until he finally realized that it was in fact real, and it could be visited.
I think this cracked him a little bit. For decades, it was merely his delusion, perhaps a minor defect of his creation. Now? Now there was something horribly wrong with Peturabo.
Out of fear, he could turn to no one, or, in his eyes, be revealed as defective. And if the II and XI had already been put to the Edict of Obliteration….
I almost wonder if the slaughter that came to Olympia was due to his fear that someone there still lived that knew he had a guard if they could see the Eye. Oh, he used the rebellion as an excuse for sure. But I suspect fear drove him.
Of course, killing his sister turned the crack into a broken Primarch, one too easily manipulated by the most diplomatic of Primarchs, Horus.
By the end of the Heresy, I think he had left his fear behind. Especially after Fulgrim tried using Peturabo’s own life to fuel Fulgrim’s Ascension. All he had left pride and regret.
I will say I am not a fan of the idea that Peturabo actually Ascended to Daemonhood. It frankly feels out of touch with any interpretation of the Primarch I have come across. Except for one. That Peturabo viewed the Emperor as as near to a perfect being that one could possibly achieve. The Chaos Gods are an expression of emotions and desires of humanity. The only reason justifiable I can think of as to why Perturabo would embrace Chaos is because he viewed that convergence of all 4 Gods, as when they acted to spirit the Primarchs in their gestation pods away from the Emperor on Terra, as either more perfect than the Emperor or as the closest he would ever get to a substitute
Lol new cannon says a woman got mad at the Emperor and threw the kids out 😂🎉
Tank wearing gun toting man child has to be one of the favorite phrases I've ever heard
If you've ever worked construction or in a factory. You've almost assuredly had a boss like Perturabo. The guys a bitch, everyone hates his guts, he's a whiny asshole. But eventually he gets promoted out, or fired, and the work site goes to complete shit almost immediately. The guy sucks, but he was good at his job.
Had Perturabo stayed loyal the rebellion didn't stand a chance.
Hes so good because he actually uses guns while eveyone else is using swords and shit
The Lion was not a walking lie detector. In fact, he was notorious for failing to read the room. He ALWAYS missed cues, like with Luthor.
Hes the Soundwave of chaos primarcs, in terms of competense.
Just imagine what would have happened if he didn't turn traitor, or someone at one point said "Nice Job" to him.
Perturabo is the goat of the traitors
I love the visual cuts between dramatic oil paintings and himbo fanart
Let's see how anyone would cope handling the most brutal tasks while Hell stared at you and watched. He named it the "Eye of Terror" in the Imperium's database, a small cry for help, an admission of vulnerability from the Lord of Iron. But he endured on, moving towards the opportunities left to him.
Sounds like an aspect of the Emperor required to sit in a chair facing Hell for 10000 years. Directly brutal defiance and pure stubbornness. Peter Turbo is only one soul where as the Emperor is an entire parliament of arguing opinions for company.
If Perty was more appreciated and respected for his essential role in the crusades, the Heresy would never have gotten off the ground.
Imagine if him and dorn had gotten to design the palace together. Each taking a wing
Perturabo advantages
1- he still engages with the Iron Warriors
2- he is the only Primarch Abbadon actually is respectful of
3 - he actually still runs his legion close to an active primarch right down to providing geneseed
If the emperor had kept him loyal, Perturabo would have been running the whole damn empire
Him turning traitor made sense
I’d say he’s like Morty combined with Dorn which is a best of both worlds being intelligent but also foolish enough to where it ends up being detrimental to his life if he stayed longer on Terra they’d have more damage against the loyalists or close to victory as Perty blew 18 holes onto the palace walls and left as his team was either crazy or not even fighting or taking orders
He was the one guy directing the raid and Angron got obsessed with his KD ratio while fulgrim was hitting the bong lol
@@jefferycrouse4652yeahhhh it was super dysfunctional and difficult Lorgar was acting like a wuss Alpha Legion was conflicted and Konrad was suicidal and a lunatic too Horus was chilling it was basically Morty and Perty doing most of the work and Magnus got his ass handed to him va Leman and Vulkan too
Angel Exterminatus is my favorite version of Puerty. He's written so well in the book. I genuinely felt bad for him when fulgrim betrayed him in the end. He built an Amphitheater that we would consider a world wonder on earth in a few days because his brother fulgrim asked him to just so he could tell a story. He cried out when fulgrim was shot in head telling that story too. Lol etc. Loved that book.
peter turbo is my favorite traitor fortress of a man
Perts the guy who complains about something while also actively fixing it
I have often said that Horus intended to break his brother for him to have in the rebellion. It was Horus who gave him the worst of the jobs time after time. Also, it's all too convenient that the moment after Perturabo is at his lowest, Horus shows up to pick up the pieces. Otherwise, the Horus Haracey would have been nothing without the Iron Warriors.
Would have died out quite quickly. Even if the Iron Warriors had proved neutral.
@slb797 My point exactly. Without the Iron Warriors, the Haracy would be a foot note. Which is why I think Horus broke his brother in order to stand a chance
The important bit is that despite what side he was on, he was always being used by his commanders.
I wanna see the fight between Perturabo and demon Angron, because all I imagine is Perty doing wrestling moves on him.
Imagine how funny it would be to watch Perty suplex Angron
ITS PERTURABO WITH A CHAIR!!!
Apart of me now want to see perturabo fight angron to a stalemate or beating and toying with angron idky
Perturabo is one of my favorite traitors for all the reasons you listed. that, and perhaps *most* importantly, his drip is immaculate.
walking lie detector my ass, he's just paranoid after being tricked so many times lmao if the lion an perty had one thing in common in the heresy its being socially inept.
Angron inherited the Emperors Empathy.
Sanguinius inherrited his vision.
Perturabo inherited his will to. Get. Shit. Done.
FINALLY!!!!. thank you FOR making this video
dont forget that He also made a tool to navigate the warp
Perturabo: Autistic sibling, I, your autistic Sibling need your weapons
Lion: of course autistic Sibling, I, your autistic Sibling shall give you as much as you need
“Just make sure they’re put to good use” Jonson sighed.
“I shall” said Perturabo, Primarch of the Iron Warriors.
That was a good ending.
And I’ve gotten good at screening the lines below with my hand to make sure I don’t glimpse several lines ahead by mistake.
The Horus Heresy has at least taught me that much.
Perturabo is the by far most underrated Primarch. He is a literal idiot when it comes to ANYTHING social, from diputes, to politics over games to a simple conversation - but he is a logistical, tactical and strategic mastermind.
Obviously I love the lion but in my opinion, he is the greatest of them all when it comes to warfare
Perturabo is book example of opsesiv compulsiv personalyty. He is the only one that acully become more mentaly stable after siding with chaos
As Bricky said "The Horus Heresy wouldn't have gotten shit done without Peter Turbo and the iron warriors
He's the person that you probably don't like working with but you know he's really f****** good at his job
He is by far my favorite traitor abd possibly favorite primarch or even character in the setting
I've often had a head fantasy of him finding redemption. However instead of switching allegiance to the Imperium as it stands, he fights to bring back what the Emperor once truly fought for. An Empire built on the Imperial Truth
That would let him fight both Imperium and Chaos forces. Robooty sends him sanguinala cards and chocolate. Fulgrim sends him space drugs made out of people
Standing at the verge of victory over the Imperium of man, he looks over to his brothers, and at their image he says: "You know what? Fuck you guys, I'm out!"
Perturabo's single greatest enemy is Perturabo, and the company he decided to keep.
He is Like His father. Incredible competent in every technical Thing, including buisness like negotation, but incredibly incompetent in being a human and to be connected to his humanity.
I honestly love how people call perty a bitch as if the things he had to deal with werent actual things worth bitching about.
Peter Turbo - the Hulk version of War Machine from the Marvel universe
His back must hurt carrying EVERYONE!!!
Me and many fellow autistic people i know like Perturabo because he has a lot of traits and qualities autistic people have, i don't know if the writers of his character intended this or not, but i can somewhat empathize with feeling like nobody thinks you matter, but conversely not wanting praise.
He also seems to be able to judge his brothers' character and way of thinking, he's like a facial and language reading machine and can ascertain the most likely outcome of a conversation, something autistic people also constantly do with planning conversations out before they take place.
*Sorry about the word salad*
honestly having a special interest in giant siege weapons is kinda baller
pertuarbo is one of the traitors that so easily could have stayed loyal if people just gave him some respect and gratitude. I'm conviced that if he and vulkan became closer then he would have turned out much better.
I’ve been saying perturabo was an underrated primarch for so long im so glad somebody else can finally see that.
He's like that one athlete on that team you hate, where he never does win a championship, and he's a massive primadonna who constantly makes a scene, but his ability to ball is never in question by anyone.
Perturabo is the Starscream of the Traitor Primarchs without a doubt
Nah I feel like that's more Fulgrim or Lorgar
Perturabo is almost like an emotionless tantrum. Like his actions feel like he is driven by emotions but filtered by logic so he isnt frothing at the mouth angry or scheming plans within plans