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  • @beyondthemax2623
    @beyondthemax2623 2 роки тому +108

    I find it quite ironic that after editing Elita’s artwork, her stats all went down

  • @kirkkerman
    @kirkkerman 2 роки тому +84

    How am I not surprised that Patrick "Pat" "Superstar Artist" "Mr. Talented" "The Transman" "Michiyamenotehi Funana" Lee got into NFTs

    • @theprimo100
      @theprimo100 2 роки тому +8

      G2 Pat Lee is the superior model, anyway...

    • @SideswipePrime606
      @SideswipePrime606 2 роки тому +7

      I'm so happy people still call him "Michiyamenotehi Funana"

    • @longislandicedtea6323
      @longislandicedtea6323 2 роки тому

      A shit artist that also is a shit person is now getting into a shit (and dying) trend. That's like the holy trinity of awfulness right there.

    • @aweirdredtoad3637
      @aweirdredtoad3637 2 роки тому +10

      Pat Lee is just that one guy in school who knows how to draw, but he's just redrawing it from the internet.

    • @stevencisneros9306
      @stevencisneros9306 Рік тому +2

      Pat Lee is kinda like a combination of both Kanye West, Justin Bieber, and the Paul Brothers, all rolled into one!!!

  • @ragemalachi
    @ragemalachi 2 роки тому +51

    Sad thing about the twins from the bayverse, they were originally intended to be hillbillies. The writers strike lead to there not being a full script for the movie, just a "treatment". So the twins characterization was all Bay. Though he would deny it once the backlash hit

    • @chriscarpenter3370
      @chriscarpenter3370 2 роки тому +15

      if they were supposed to be hillbillies, their alt modes in the movie would've had to be an AMC pacer and AMC gremlin.

    • @_underscore_9271
      @_underscore_9271 Рік тому +8

      Honestly as a kid I thought they were just really dumb hilbillies

    • @Stormfin
      @Stormfin 12 днів тому

      Didn't the black voice actor say it was his idea to play them like that, and got really annoyed when people called it racist?

  • @NotMyRealName6
    @NotMyRealName6 2 роки тому +40

    Ironically, the scene for Skids and Mudflap in DOTM was included in the comic adaptation, where Mudflap takes a Cosmic Rust bullet for Bumblebee and Skids attacks Sentinel to buy the others time to get away, which redeems them slightly, but only slightly, because at least their final act was going to be a heroic one. And yes, Ironhide still dies too.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +4

      I still wonder how nobody working on that movie saw those designs and went "Uh this might be a problem..." Or were they just ignored?

    • @NotMyRealName6
      @NotMyRealName6 2 роки тому +9

      @@brettwood1351 I'm guessing the latter. Michael Bay only really listens to Michael Bay.

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz 2 роки тому +3

      in some dub of the film, while sentinel is murdering the nest bot, you can hear either calling the other, my hypotesis it that it's in the dubs where their voice actors did something else in the new film, so they trow the line in just to add to it

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 2 роки тому +46

    The Carbombia thing actually made Casey Kasem quit the third season. He was like, heck no and left.

  • @galvatronus1139
    @galvatronus1139 2 роки тому +56

    My favorite was when they were going to call Nexus Prime “Nexus Maximus”, which was also the name of an “Adult toy”.

    • @Majinhero
      @Majinhero 2 роки тому +10

      Just shows that looking names up with safe search on makes you miss things like that.

    • @nevbo
      @nevbo 2 роки тому +5

      🤣🤣🤣 omg that’s hilarious!

    • @zacharyjochumsen9677
      @zacharyjochumsen9677 2 роки тому

      @@ArcheTelos you ever use sex toys on your grifreind or wife muxh

  • @LamangoKaijura
    @LamangoKaijura 2 роки тому +18

    "Why do Transformers need mammories?" Black Arachnia. That's why.

    • @knightwolfpro4494
      @knightwolfpro4494 2 роки тому +2

      seriously though, it's to distinguish between the masculine and feminine form. It was that simple.
      Although I think TJ is afraid to say breasts. Plenty of Mammals have Mammaries (mammary glands) without having breasts and the Elita 1 issue were the breasts, or more specifically based on the artwork, the under boob.

    • @aweirdredtoad3637
      @aweirdredtoad3637 2 роки тому +2

      @@knightwolfpro4494 I mean, it's pretty easy to distinguish who's male or female in Transformers for how they were drawn pre-Beast Wars.
      I believe he only said mammories, because of UA-cam and it's censorship.

    • @knightwolfpro4494
      @knightwolfpro4494 2 роки тому +2

      @@aweirdredtoad3637 Yes, because they had a feminine shape, meaning a silhouettes that had hips, waists and chests. That's how the female transformers (robots in general) were distinguished. Look at Nightbird from G1. It's true that Beasts Wars had a much higher amount of feminine shape with Blackarachnia (the first toy was still a male toy but the design did have man boobs at the least. If Airraor had originally been designed to be female she probably would have too. But that feminine shape is why you can, hence the reason why they have chest or actual breasts (BA again). Plus, even though all Mammals have Mammories, not all Mammals have breasts, so I still think he used it to avoid saying breasts, boob, or even chest. And the Card in question, didn't really shrink the boobs so much as painted the under boob.

    • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
      @diegodankquixote-wry3242 2 роки тому

      Prowl and jazz have bigger moobs then any female transformer's breasts! When will we have true equality

  • @firesonic1010
    @firesonic1010 2 роки тому +22

    How the hell did "Trukk not Munky" not make the list? That was a HUGE controversy, if not the BIGGEST controversy in all of Transformers!

  • @DataCab1e
    @DataCab1e 2 роки тому +58

    In case you thought "Carbombya" was an isolated incident, G.I. Joe casually used the term "camel jockeies" for middle-eastern desert dwellers.

    • @kingpants8764
      @kingpants8764 2 роки тому +1

      Hahahahahahhahahaha!!!!

    • @yetanotherspuart3993
      @yetanotherspuart3993 2 роки тому

      Who cares.

    • @kingpants8764
      @kingpants8764 2 роки тому +1

      @@yetanotherspuart3993
      I do. Anything that makes me laugh I care about.
      And you care, at least enough to comment "who cares" hahahaha

    • @MisterMeanerOU812
      @MisterMeanerOU812 Рік тому

      Camel Jocky’s lol that’s funny right there. 😂😂😂😂

    • @terogates1
      @terogates1 Рік тому

      Last person I heard say that recently was homelander

  • @diegodankquixote-wry3242
    @diegodankquixote-wry3242 2 роки тому +19

    Mudflap: Skids my brother and fellow philosopher, I bequest of you, no, I plead with you! Do not be racist!
    Skids:

  • @jeebus2313
    @jeebus2313 2 роки тому +85

    "We can't have a list of Transformers controversies without going to Japan-"
    Oh no.
    No.
    Stop it.
    I already know where this is going.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +9

      Listen I know it's hard, but it's got to be done for this list. Just bear with it, and then forget all about it again.

    • @doopclann3428
      @doopclann3428 2 роки тому

      Kiss players is better than the transgender bull American comics do

    • @NewFerrett
      @NewFerrett Рік тому +3

      We dont talk about that....

    • @highbrow2373
      @highbrow2373 Рік тому +2

      Almost the exact same reaction

  • @samdalseide5060
    @samdalseide5060 2 роки тому +27

    As usual, great list, TJ!
    The controversy surrounding Optimus' death makes me wonder if there was controversy surrounding Dinobot's death.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +27

      Not really. Dinobot's death was the perfect capstone to his character arc. Optimus was "Make way for new toys"

    • @Dresden_Nova
      @Dresden_Nova 2 роки тому +6

      Yes, Scott McNeill wanted 25% of his paycheck back

  • @EnerKaizer
    @EnerKaizer 2 роки тому +85

    I view Optimus death as a rare example of "Early loss, long term gain" due to what this brought to the franchise. Did they overdo it with how he died? Absolutly. did it actually have to happen though? Also absolutly in my opinion.
    I'm still shocked that the movie had this kind of an impact that real psychological papers were made about its effect on children at the time, which led to some even calling his death the boys counterpart to the death of Bambis mother.

  • @lilbill7385
    @lilbill7385 2 роки тому +9

    Naming a transformer, exhaust, is like naming a kid fart.

  • @Jimboliah3985
    @Jimboliah3985 2 роки тому +33

    Turns out Cliffjumper didn't appear anymore due to his toy being discontinued in 1986. Go watch the basics on Cliffjumper by Chris McFeely. The guy's a living encyclopedia for everything about Transformers.

    • @travisbishop782
      @travisbishop782 2 роки тому +3

      That channel is great!

    • @sabertooth3studioshq838
      @sabertooth3studioshq838 2 роки тому +3

      but I thought It was because is voice actor What really happened to Casey Kasem quit the show after the show created that one episode with that Carbombia place and I don't blame him for quitting the show.

    • @Jimboliah3985
      @Jimboliah3985 2 роки тому +2

      Nope, Crhis McFeely mentioned in the comments of his Basics video on Cliffjumper that people have falsely reversed-engineered that theory.
      Cliffjumper didn't appear in Season 3 of G1 simply because his toy was discontinued in 1986, despite surviving the movie.

    • @sabertooth3studioshq838
      @sabertooth3studioshq838 2 роки тому +6

      @@Jimboliah3985 ether way you still have to admit the whole carbombia thing didn't age well.

    • @AS42100
      @AS42100 8 місяців тому +2

      @@Jimboliah3985 He appeared in Five Faces of Darkness part 1, and was always seen during the end credits. But otherwise he was never seen again.

  • @robrice7246
    @robrice7246 2 роки тому +13

    18:04 It makes you pleased that Sentinel Prime agreed with your (and everyone else's) statement.

  • @IAmJames_Art
    @IAmJames_Art 2 роки тому +32

    The only one I didn’t know about was the Elita-One. Some of these are so interesting after the fact. From what I’ve heard, the reason why the Rhino release had the added animation errors was because of the version of the show they used. Apparently the HD final cut of the episodes no longer exist, so what they had to work with were earlier unfinished cuts and final broadcast copies. The final copies were lower in quality, so they just used the unfinished ones instead. The Shout Factory release instead edited the footage and put in the broadcast version where ever it was needed to fix the errors. At some points in the show the quality kinda drops and that’s why. It’s also probably the main reason there hasn’t been a Blu-Ray release of the original series.

    • @ORLY911
      @ORLY911 2 роки тому

      makes you wonder why such a big tv shows masters were so poorly handled, to the point of being lost. It's frustrating.

    • @jake384100
      @jake384100 8 місяців тому

      ​@@ORLY911 same thing happened to DR. WHO. They were churning these shows out season by season and had no idea they would have cultural staying power. TV was considered a novelty for a while without the same artistic merit as cinema and transformers was a toy cartoon.

  • @Catterjee
    @Catterjee 2 роки тому +14

    One thing about Pat Lee you forgot to mention is that he also took credit for other artists' work.

  • @Bardim18
    @Bardim18 Рік тому +5

    I never understood why they didn't upgrade Optimus Prime into Ultra Magnus instead of killing him off and have Ultra Magnus as a separate character. The Ultra Magnus toy was basically a white repaint of Optimus Prime and it combined with his trailer into a super mode so the solution was simple: Have Optimus Prime die in the film and then have the other Autobots search for the Matrix of Leadership in order to revive him and upgrade him into Ultra Magnus, or Magnus Prime or something, just like Unicron upgraded Megatron into Galvatron.

    • @AS42100
      @AS42100 8 місяців тому +3

      I always thought the same thing! That was a HUGE missed oppertunity!

  • @zoltanperei4789
    @zoltanperei4789 2 роки тому +6

    Optimus's death is not a big thing nowdays, because he always dies in every series.

  • @otaking3582
    @otaking3582 2 роки тому +23

    At least it makes slightly more sense for Elita-1 to do an Escher Girls pose - she's a robot and you can claim that the articulation is part of her transformation.

  • @JonCrs10
    @JonCrs10 2 роки тому +30

    Spastic is basically like if Hasbro sold a new fire truck character homaging G2 Pyro as "Retard." Equally offensive, equally fitting for the vehicle modes.
    It's amazing to think of how British and American English are practically seperate languages at times

    • @zakkmylde1712
      @zakkmylde1712 2 роки тому +7

      Case in point Slag/Slug.

    • @Land_Sea_Skylar
      @Land_Sea_Skylar 4 місяці тому +1

      Even with Slag, it's basically the equivalent of them naming Grapple "Hooker". Even if it fits the character, DO YOUR RESEARCH HASBRO. It's not that hard.

  • @lilithofthevoid4922
    @lilithofthevoid4922 2 роки тому +3

    Was surprised there was no "Truck Not Monkey" in here. Would love to see that included in a possible part 2

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz 2 роки тому +1

      that was just "being afraid of the new". honestly, the backlash on animated design was a lot more impactfull, but just as empty and misguided

  • @SuperCosmicMutantSquid
    @SuperCosmicMutantSquid 2 роки тому +10

    *Ah, Rhino. Where I got my MST3K tapes and Sailor Moon soundtrack.
    *KissPlayers.....you know what eventually got me to nope out of it? Just the main character IN GENERAL. The 'plan' was to make her cute but she came off as OBNOXIOUS and the funny thing is, it felt like they were aping a LOT of things from the TMNT OVA/manga including a story where the turtles have to save Splinter from Shredder by going into his body, which ends in a joke....that I'll let you seek for yourself. KP did a story similar to that where the lead girl has the Transformers fight inside her body and the end...everything is PUNCHABLE.

  • @noir6467
    @noir6467 2 роки тому +10

    I can see Hasbro making the twins in Studio Series, after all they made Jar Jar as a deluxe figure in Black Series, a character that was a controversy of titanic proportions in comparison.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +3

      @@ZX-Gear I think it's the only time we've ever gotten a Ice Cream Truck alt mode too. Come on, I'm tired of sports cars! Give me some more oddball altmodes!

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz 2 роки тому +2

      @@ZX-Gear adding that to the list, between the piaggio apecar and the tardis

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +2

      @@ZX-Gear Bus yes. But a Schoolbus might be the most hated vehicle by children.
      I would probably get one for the novelty though. Actually it shocks me that some vehicles are so underused. We didn't get a garbage truck until Animated, a SR-71 Blackbird until RoTF, and the closest thing we've ever gotten to a modern style sub was a minicon in Cybertron. Interestingly enough Go-Bots did all those in their original run.

  • @superplushtiman7ti075
    @superplushtiman7ti075 2 роки тому +3

    Exhaust wasn’t the only toy that advertised cigarettes, G1 Mirage also did(with them replacing the ‘Citanes’ name from ‘Gitanes’, a French cigarette company, in fact it was unique as Ligier was the only French team that had cigarette sponsorship as the team owner had friends in the French government)

  • @chancylvania
    @chancylvania 2 роки тому +5

    Spastic is a terrible name for a transformer to begin with.

  • @JiveGuruXL
    @JiveGuruXL 2 роки тому +13

    As a "sleazy artist" myself, That pose IS completely possible to pull off in real life and not a stretch to the imagination in any way. Just sayin'

    • @Astronopolis
      @Astronopolis 2 роки тому +2

      I hate the disdain for sexiness in the female form. Ok, you are free to move on. Listening to this prudish nice guy nerd ramble on about how female form is disgusting is pretty cringe

    • @JiveGuruXL
      @JiveGuruXL 2 роки тому +2

      @@Astronopolis I agree, and it always comes up every time... and I just roll my eyes.

  • @bilal_Hadjlaoui907
    @bilal_Hadjlaoui907 2 роки тому +33

    What i always love about the random name choises,is the fact that its actually fits the character sometimes,which is really funny as hell(like armada thrust who his name was originaly used for a g1 conehead)

  • @ixadorillcasterthe3rd146
    @ixadorillcasterthe3rd146 2 роки тому +14

    In way of toys I remember the Punisher gun transformer had some backlash, and Scattershot of the Technobots had some similar issues.

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz 2 роки тому +2

      that's design flaws, the punshier was not supposed to be halfway trnasformed and for scattershot is an anti-breakage feature; granted, it didn't fly with the punisher tho, that was not handling the prototype before finalizing the design

  • @tonyjackson4078
    @tonyjackson4078 2 роки тому +8

    I was about to call you out on "Western artists sexualizing Transformers" then I was like....nope we're early in NO WAY Kiss Players gets a pass. I was rewarded for my patience.
    As far as IDW Arcee the story was supposed to make Jhiaxus this mad scientist monster, but almost everyone I know found the story presented confusing, gross, and just not a good idea.

  • @metalheadrobredbar6899
    @metalheadrobredbar6899 2 роки тому +22

    I was alright with Optimus dying, don't get me wrong I was sad. But it showed us that when a hero falls, there will be someone with a strong will to raise the occasion. For those of us who are older, we understand.
    I can see why kids were upset though. Optimus is just too good to die, so he gets invincible plot armor.

  • @MildraTheMonkVT
    @MildraTheMonkVT 2 роки тому +5

    Dreamwave is in the Holy Book of Grudges

  • @javivaki
    @javivaki 2 роки тому +11

    A recent one that I think of is Barricade's slogan. As we all know, Barricade's slogan in the movies is "To Punish and Enslave," which fits his "bad cop" motive. However, recent figures of Barricade has the slogan completely remove from his vehicle form, in particular of both wfc figures and the Buzzworthy reissue of the Studio Series figure. The slogan was even inconsistent in The Last Knight, shifting to "Serve and Protect" or "Keep Calm and Hail Megatron" Of course this is to avoid any suggestions of police brutality since it has become more prevalent in recent times. This is more like *avoiding* *potential* controversy but it is quite questionable how Barricade was able to keep his slogan for so long as police brutality isn't a new thing. While I do worry how this might affect how frequent Barricade will appear in the franchise, I think this was a good move on Hasbro and Paramount to make this change.

    • @Cdr2002
      @Cdr2002 2 роки тому +1

      Like many white Americans with money, Hasbro execs likely didn’t notice the long standing issue of police brutality until recent movements made it un-ignorable. And it’s good that they did. Removing Barricade’s fascistic slogan makes sense.
      #BlackLivesMatter

    • @aweirdredtoad3637
      @aweirdredtoad3637 2 роки тому +2

      With how popular Barricade and Prowl are, I doubt that would affect their appearances.

    • @zullumaster123
      @zullumaster123 2 роки тому +3

      Keep calm and hail megatron is pretty cool though.

    • @javivaki
      @javivaki 2 роки тому

      @@zullumaster123 Agree

    • @isuckatusernames4297
      @isuckatusernames4297 10 місяців тому

      honestly I love this part of barricade's caraterization in the movies as it implies to some extend that he has eitheir a sense of humor or that he's the cybertronian esuivalent of an acab leftist, which lends more credence to the idea that in the bayverse, the autobots are the bad guys.

  • @VerdantRange
    @VerdantRange 2 роки тому +18

    Kiss Players was just awful. The closest thing to a saving grace for that wretched part of the franchise was that despite the art style, the girls in it were in fact adults.
    I'm not kidding. The writer, Yuk Ohshima, originally wanted to make Atari an elementary school student, but Takara objected because she wouldn't be legally eligible to get a driver's license. (Yes, seriously.)
    Since the main characters all are allowed to drive in that story, this means they are at least old enough to get a Japanese driver's license, which would be 18. It's still awful, but it makes the disgusting sludge a tiny bit less bitter.

    • @Majinhero
      @Majinhero 2 роки тому +2

      This is comon in japan that they intentionaly draw female characters to look yonger then they actually are.
      Don't quote me on this, but i remember that the goverment forced the artists to stop doing this because it made them look bad.

    • @lonewolf9578
      @lonewolf9578 2 роки тому

      I think the idea is interesting with galvatron colliding with earth after hot rod through him out into space
      Reminds of that one line from the drill sergeant in ME2

    • @Majinhero
      @Majinhero 2 роки тому

      @Yuuki at least i think it was publishers starting to regulate what they publish to what age group.

    • @VerdantRange
      @VerdantRange 2 роки тому

      @Yuuki Thankfully, after a request for citation, they were able to provide a source for this information, which is now on Atari Hitotonari's page on TF Wiki.

  • @robrice7246
    @robrice7246 2 роки тому +3

    13:26 I can already see someone doing a certain Encanto song parody right about now.

  • @Jorgie2222
    @Jorgie2222 2 роки тому +6

    I honestly would be interested in a Dreamwave video in general. I did not know half of the crap Pat Lee did.

    • @THANATOS-PRIME
      @THANATOS-PRIME 2 роки тому

      I would love to see Chris McFeely do a basic episode on Dreamwave

  • @somebodysomewhere5571
    @somebodysomewhere5571 2 роки тому +3

    "very disgusting pose..." tf you mean disgusting

    • @somebodysomewhere5571
      @somebodysomewhere5571 2 роки тому +3

      People get upset about this but when transformers are gay or married whatever their sexuality is they don't bat an eye

  • @neon_lavander
    @neon_lavander 2 роки тому +6

    It seems most most things with jhiaxus in make me think "Gee, axe us"

    • @theprimo100
      @theprimo100 2 роки тому +4

      That is the origin of his name, after all.

  • @haydenreviewscustomcombos
    @haydenreviewscustomcombos Рік тому +2

    If Hasbro makes studio series figures of “the twins” I will probably have to buy multiples of them, to use as sort of man-made transformers drones, so the Autobots or Decepticons can start mashing into them. I would be so happy that those two would eventually get what they deserve for even existing in the live action movies.

  • @omegamaximus1727
    @omegamaximus1727 2 роки тому +3

    So Pat Lee killed Dreamwave Comics.

  • @cyberdraco001
    @cyberdraco001 2 роки тому +3

    When Hasbro brought back Optimus in the third season they learned a lesson; "Don't kill of Optimus Prime unless you plan to bring him soon". Apparently Takara didn't get the memo because when they killed him again in The Headmasters it took years to bring him back in Return of Convoy(Ginrai doesn't count because he was a new character).

  • @firesonic1010
    @firesonic1010 2 роки тому +16

    Also, why were parents surprised with Optimus's death? They LITERALLY straight up spoiled it in the marketing! All the trailers for the movie that I've seen have the announcer say "DOES OPTIMUS PRIME DIE????" at some point in the trailer.

    • @VerdantRange
      @VerdantRange 2 роки тому +9

      Probably because they figured it'd be some sort of fake out. Remember, similar things were done in the show.

    • @Cdr2002
      @Cdr2002 2 роки тому +6

      You’re saying people should have expected to see their children’s hero shot dead onscreen?

  • @glebthereviewer
    @glebthereviewer 2 роки тому +3

    A bit off topic here, but I'd like to thank TJ for his deep dive into BBTS. Thanks to his video I now own Alternators Rodimus!

  • @MotiviqueStudio
    @MotiviqueStudio 2 роки тому +1

    Carbombya is pretty disrespectful, but holy hells did I just wake the house from laughing.

  • @beastmaster0934
    @beastmaster0934 2 роки тому +5

    Fun Fact: In the Bayformers comics, Sentinel Prime actually KILLED Mudflap and Skids.

    • @dexoearth9167
      @dexoearth9167 2 роки тому +3

      Sweet Relief!
      That's about the only good thing that Sentinel did, and it's now memorable.

  • @CyberVforVictory
    @CyberVforVictory 2 роки тому +4

    Do another one of this! The whole thing that happened to all the botcon stories alone...

  • @flamekaizer8476
    @flamekaizer8476 2 роки тому +10

    The Arcee idea was fine, the only thing wrong with it was the constant backpedalling that *made* it really offensive.

    • @Cdr2002
      @Cdr2002 2 роки тому +10

      I love the idea of Arcee being a trans woman, just get Jihaxus and his creepy bullshit out of there and we’re in business

    • @flamekaizer8476
      @flamekaizer8476 2 роки тому +4

      @@Cdr2002 What I don't get is that its very clear that she was forced to under go the procedure, and that's what made her go crazy. It wasn't the fact she was trans that turned her insane, it was literal torture. It changed from a story of her accepting who she was now into some weird "She was always who she wantd to be" story

  • @OptimusPhillip
    @OptimusPhillip 2 роки тому +25

    I think TJ is conflating two different Simon Furman Arcee stories. The story where she's created to appease human feminists, _Prime's Rib_ (yes, really), was a Marvel story, not IDW, and did not involve a male Transformer being converted. In the IDW story where Arcee was originally male, _Spotlight: Arcee,_ Jhiaxus did the conversion because "science for science's sake".
    So yeah, Simon Furman fucked up Arcee _twice._

    • @TJOmega
      @TJOmega  2 роки тому +23

      I didn't combine two stories, I talked about both to show Simon had a track record.

    • @OptimusPhillip
      @OptimusPhillip 2 роки тому +7

      @@TJOmega I must have misunderstood. My bad.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +10

      @@TJOmega The real question is which makes you cringe more.
      Sigh, with the exception of the "Naturally occuring gears, levers and pulleys" origin, it's really not that hard to work gender into Transformers. Primus? He wanted female Transformers. Quintessons? Wanted female looking and acting robots to sell. Evolved from organics? They already had gender.

    • @thatonebritishidiot3037
      @thatonebritishidiot3037 2 роки тому +2

      @@brettwood1351 they use gendered terms? Because it's simpler and easier than not, or it's due to the fact one of the 13 primes was female.

  • @Deragon0416
    @Deragon0416 2 роки тому +3

    According to Reno wilson in an old huffington post interview he and Tom Kenny based Skids and Mudflap off of posers who try to hard to "Be black" almost like the uploaded too much kevin federline data

  • @robrice7246
    @robrice7246 2 роки тому +4

    5:00 Just buy the Selects release, it's cheaper.

  • @MisterMeanerOU812
    @MisterMeanerOU812 Рік тому +3

    It’s funny when people try apply “woke” BS to these great 80’s gems. The best decade ever.

  • @Z.Perih88
    @Z.Perih88 2 роки тому +1

    I stopped at mid-video to go look at that Russell Howard clip and that was freaking hilarious

  • @havokan45
    @havokan45 2 роки тому +5

    I yelled some very bad words when Prowl was killed . Prowl was my favorite it was sad to see him go . still wish all the Transformers that wasn't going to be in Season 3 they showed kiloed off . Funny part me & my friends all say Cyclonus is Skywarp in season 3 you see all 3 Insecticons . Then we all had different ideas who else was killed of Camera in the Movie .

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +2

      Prowls hits hard because it's pretty brutal too, since he seems to feel it as he burns up inside.

  • @Evaunit98
    @Evaunit98 2 роки тому +1

    As an Englishman the Overrun controversy amuses me so much, I laughed for about 5 minutes after learning about it, clearly the word “tact” has never been said in Hasbro HQ

  • @TheCyberman1966
    @TheCyberman1966 2 роки тому +4

    The only ONLY argument I can give for spastic is in the uk it’s also a term for a car engine problem here in the uk even slag is a term here for waist metal but the problem with both spastic and slag is it’s the derogatory terms for both Words most people are aware of hence the problem

  • @blind_neighbourhoodNerd
    @blind_neighbourhoodNerd 5 місяців тому

    I'm so hooked on these top tens

  • @SideswipePrime606
    @SideswipePrime606 2 роки тому +5

    On the subject of Kiss Players. Regardless on your feelings about it, you CANNOT deny that Ohshima is a genius toy designer. The dude made MP Dinobot and MP Sunstreaker, two of the best MPs ever made.

    • @GladDestronger
      @GladDestronger 2 роки тому

      toy design is great but the stories he created were very cringe worthy.

  • @silverslayer6262
    @silverslayer6262 2 роки тому +2

    21:28 Ironically, that’s the plot for spiderverse.

    • @Jazzer995
      @Jazzer995 2 роки тому

      Was checking to see if someone commented this so Idid not overlap.

  • @BraveBladeProductions
    @BraveBladeProductions 2 роки тому +1

    I mean when you've had a successful Toy Brand for about 40 years you would have had to run into more than a few roadblocks over the decades.

  • @camhedmr_5593
    @camhedmr_5593 9 днів тому +1

    A glimpse The kiss players can Probably turn Optimus Prime into a shivering wreck with its horrors. Like he might goes as ax-insane as IDW 2005's Arcee

  • @DJPrimeAmvs
    @DJPrimeAmvs 2 роки тому +1

    A lot of these controversies I already knew but the ones I didn't know surprised me. But for some reason I can't stop laughing

  • @Roboshi2007
    @Roboshi2007 2 роки тому +5

    imagine the first time you make a marvel movie you kill spider man.
    imagine the first time you make a star wars move you kill Han solo. in fact didn't Jobby the hong once make a joke about both films killing off beloved characters to sell toys?

  • @Razorgeist
    @Razorgeist 2 роки тому +1

    6:55 with Strika being the notable exception.

  • @Ojunix
    @Ojunix Рік тому +1

    I agree with this list for the most part, with the exception of the first 2 & I'm gonna get some hate on my opinion on these.
    1. I would recommend the Shout Factory DVD's over the youtube channel in terms of watching them in just the physical is better then digital, cause there may come a day the youtube is not around anymore or the channel is taken down or episodes removed, with the DVD's you will always have them in hand & never lose them.
    2. There is nothing wrong with sexualization of a character, Transformers has gone long pass being a children's property & is a market for all ages of people - young & adults, & there are artist & viewers who enjoy the sexy aspects of the female characters & even sometimes the male ones (especially Starscream).
    So if they want to draw them sexy, they should have all the right too do it & should get NO backlash for it & if they do, it's things like this that give certain people the power to throw hate & controversy at the artists when they have done nothing wrong.
    If you don't like it that's fine I'm not telling you to like it, but this constant of "it's degrading & disgusting" is quite harmful towards those artists & people who enjoy that stuff.

  • @conorburke1999
    @conorburke1999 2 роки тому +6

    It's weird, Simon Furman usually writes female human characters in a perfectly normal way that doesn’t define them as characters by their gender.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому +1

      @@ZX-Gear Apparently Primus wanted some girls.
      And let's face it, most TF's are very much male and masculine in terms of design features and personalities, not genderless. Seriously the first thing I ever notices about Optimus design as a kid was he had pecs and abs.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому

      @@ZX-Gear Though Daiaclone had manned robots, not sentient machines. And they didn't exactly strive for toy accuracy when adapting the designs. Which looking at Ratchet and Ironhide was a good thing.

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому

      @@ZX-Gear Diaclone's gotten new stuff in Japan, so anything is possible. And we've been seeing them use the colors in the Gen Selects lines. I wouldn't mind Hoist or Trailbreaker molds in the Diaclone colors for example. I don't think Hasbro would do straight up renditions of anything Pre-Transformers, but we might get homages at some point.

    • @aweirdredtoad3637
      @aweirdredtoad3637 2 роки тому +1

      @Nix91 That's definitely not the case, UA-cam deletes comments it deems inappropriate or against its terms and services.

  • @Razorgeist
    @Razorgeist 2 роки тому +1

    I thought for sure the famous Bob skir misquote would show up.

  • @robrice7246
    @robrice7246 2 роки тому +7

    11:29 Chris Mcfeely's got you covered.

  • @medafan53
    @medafan53 2 роки тому +2

    Does the Beast qualify as a controversy? I know there's a general agreement among the fandom that it never happened.

    • @serPomiz
      @serPomiz 2 роки тому +1

      not really, it only appears in a single story, it existed to point out why a dino combiner didn't really work, why writers did not want to make it, and later volcanicus flat out fixed everything wrong with it.
      it's more like a dig to the fandom never being happy

  • @haydenreviewscustomcombos
    @haydenreviewscustomcombos Рік тому

    It would be like adding actual abs to Optimus prime in place of the truck grill. Weird.

  • @cuddyfox6973
    @cuddyfox6973 2 місяці тому

    No mention of the worst combiner ever, by an outlier comic, The Beast Within. The Beast was a attempt of a Dinobot combiner, and there was a lot of controversy over it.

  • @ebthegt5572
    @ebthegt5572 6 місяців тому

    I'm sorry, but Carbombya made me burst out laughing for a minute straight when I heard it.

  • @piecheese1214
    @piecheese1214 2 роки тому +1

    As soon as I saw the title, I knew Spastic would be somewhere in here. EDIT: Holy shit, you like Russell Howard too?!

  • @robrift
    @robrift 2 роки тому +1

    I pushed the kiss players back into the darkest corners of my head and thoroughly suppressed that they ever existed. And I completely forgot about them until this video

  • @aidanconnor2274
    @aidanconnor2274 2 роки тому +2

    Thank god we got rid of the robotic minstrel show that was Skids and Mudflap

  • @matthewelliott7294
    @matthewelliott7294 2 роки тому +1

    My advice about the Transformers Kiss Players is go visit the Basics on Transformers channel, there is a video there that covers on that. I believe that channel is runned by Chris McFeely.

  • @Hot.Rod0311
    @Hot.Rod0311 7 місяців тому

    Night was indeed sentient after bombshell tweaked her. I have the MP-55 & took that stupid car off her back & OMG! What a difference it made. She is now so pose able.

  • @vriderch1360
    @vriderch1360 2 роки тому +7

    Goodness, the treatment of Arcee and female Transformers by Simon Furman is truly disgusting. I know he and Mairghread Scott got into an argument on Twitter about it.
    I've honestly stopped liking him after learning about the very flagrant misogynistic and transphobic tendencies.

  • @haydenreviewscustomcombos
    @haydenreviewscustomcombos Рік тому

    If this character had been named “Squirrley“ or, I don’t know, dragstrip!

  • @Gripen1974
    @Gripen1974 2 роки тому +1

    Tacklewaver is still a funny transformer name, he is one of the combinations of the landcross combiner members

  • @That_One_Gaming_Guy
    @That_One_Gaming_Guy Рік тому +1

    @14:53 You think that writer dude thought "Well they are called *TRANS*-formers for a reason" when making the plotline?

    • @isuckatusernames4297
      @isuckatusernames4297 10 місяців тому

      brings alot of questions about cybertronian "biology" and has alot of lore implications.

  • @Roboshi2007
    @Roboshi2007 2 роки тому

    wow amazing I got a masterpiece exhaust only recently, I didn't know it was rare

  • @haydenreviewscustomcombos
    @haydenreviewscustomcombos Рік тому

    So that’s how the dream wave era of transformers comics ended.

  • @tylerprime3547
    @tylerprime3547 2 роки тому +1

    Honestly I know that people were upset with primes death but that seems pretty tame compared to everything else

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому

      And hey, Duke got to live after the hubbabaloo about it.

    • @Cdr2002
      @Cdr2002 2 роки тому

      We have 30 years of hindsight

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 2 роки тому

      @@Cdr2002 Indeed.

  • @ToaArcan
    @ToaArcan 2 роки тому

    Overrun's original name over here is specifically referring to epileptic people, for the record.

  • @Spike-Prime
    @Spike-Prime 2 роки тому +4

    21:25 that's how I felt as a kid when Ultimate Spider-Man killed off Peter Parker and replaced him with Miles Morales. Not kidding, it wasn't until the Spider-Verse movie that I was even willing to give that character a chance, I was that bitter about it.

  • @PerfectD20
    @PerfectD20 Рік тому

    Did you not think of the Megatron original transformer

  • @lakotacorff4012
    @lakotacorff4012 Рік тому

    How did you not mention "Transformers: Robots in Permanent Care" during the segment on Spastic

  • @SirBlade666
    @SirBlade666 2 місяці тому

    About Carbombya City, is it really that strange that a town has more cattle then people? I willing to bet there are quite a few town in Europa and North America where they have more pigs or cows then they have people. The name, no debate though.

  • @LordProteus
    @LordProteus Рік тому +1

    Brit here, Spastic really isn't that bad of a word.

  • @Phoenix2312
    @Phoenix2312 2 роки тому +1

    Love the video! I do remember the "Spastic" incident... And yeah, I am from the UK... The term is used to describe people with Cerebral Palsy, but was hijacked to refer to anyone with any form of Mental illness or Birth Defect such as Downs Syndrome etc... And even one of the largest Charities helping people with such conditions changed it name to SCOPE.
    Amazingly, While it is obviously a DEEPLY Derogatory Word, I wish they had kept the name as it is a word I feel needs to be "Depowered" and that might actually have helped a little.
    And, Yeah... I also DISAGREE with them changing "Slag" to whatever it is now... Sure, Slag CAN MEAN a Woman of ill repute, but it's also Waste Products from Steel Creation or Coal Mining... And that in the UK and US I feel is one of the biggest issues with Derogatory words - We give them power by being offended! Get offended when they are used offensively but otherwise - Ignore them!
    I mean, God help any US folks who happen to be LGBTQ+ if they ever come to the UK and find out we still sell "F**gots" - Its a Meaty Ball in Gravy, always has been! Sorry folks but Context does matter!
    Great Video TJ

    • @Jazzer995
      @Jazzer995 2 роки тому

      To that last point; it also has the meaning of "A bundle of sticks"; and Australia wasn't better, we had candy ciggerettes here called "F**S".

  • @firearm99
    @firearm99 2 роки тому +1

    If you think about it Optimus prime saved duke from G.I. Joe

  • @omegamaximus1727
    @omegamaximus1727 Рік тому +1

    The female Transformers are Descendants of Solus Prime.

  • @evos469
    @evos469 2 роки тому +1

    Slag is a bad word in the US too lol

  • @weirdkitty07
    @weirdkitty07 2 роки тому

    They did do a Skids in the studio series line. It was the movie one. No Mudflap.

  • @Bigdaddyweese
    @Bigdaddyweese 2 роки тому +1

    It’s funny about Exhaust because I have a Toyworld legends class Exhaust that has the Marlboro plastered on the hood of it.

  • @imarock.7662
    @imarock.7662 2 роки тому +1

    Okay but, Flametoys Windblade is a great model kit, with a great design ngl

    • @isuckatusernames4297
      @isuckatusernames4297 10 місяців тому

      and the nicee sisters are pretty alright, shame they're so backpack reliant tho.

  • @StevenDolce
    @StevenDolce 2 роки тому

    I'm surprised you didn't put Beast Machines on the list.

  • @djdee6386
    @djdee6386 2 роки тому +4

    Here’s a funny one: a new dinobot in 2001 RID was named Slapper, another offensive name meaning similar things to Slag. Hasbro is really not careful when naming Dinobots.

    • @NightmareZerogbs
      @NightmareZerogbs 2 роки тому +1

      It was a Predacon Frog in RiD, I think Slapper the Dino was somewhere else. TBF, I always assumed the name was because he had huge hands that could very believably slap people.

    • @violagreene4643
      @violagreene4643 2 роки тому

      @@beepbeeplettuce5890 In 2003 the Walmart exclusive Dinobots line had an ankylosaur named Slapper. That's the one TJ was talking about.

  • @queenflash2012
    @queenflash2012 2 роки тому

    Cannot seem to find that clip of Russel Howard