Sig Sauer M18 First Shots And Impressions
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The Sig M18 as been adopted by the U.S. Military but how good is it really?
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My experience has been has been much different. Great ergonomics, pretty good trigger, and dead on accurate. I actually shot a butterfly off of my target at 10 yards. And I have never previously handled the P320 series.
500+ rounds no malfunctions
mine kept jamming yesterday for sum reason should i oil it fresh out the box?
Same here. No failures through hundreds of rounds and sights are right on the money. Only thing I find objectionable is that it's a little snappy. I think it's the high bore axis.
@@mrgunplug1034 You could clean and oil it but also try different ammo. Try different brands and switch between hollow point and round nose. Also, take it apart and make certain everything's put together correctly like the guide rod and spring.
M17 and M18 I own are just fine … No failures … reliable and will protect myself quite nicely 👍
I know from personal experience, nothing sucks more than a gun that doesn’t work very well.
Thats what makes this perfect for the military as a veteran half the weapons we use have a lot of issues as if its a requirement for the manufacturer when the Military puts out a bid lol
I don’t understand why Sig is still using that grip module. The X-series of grip modules are so much more comfortable to shoot as well as getting your hand higher up for a lower bore axis.
My first P320 was an X Carry. Compared to the standard model the only thing I liked better about the module was the magwell, and to be honest I hated the trigger. The little tab or tail on the bottom of the flat trigger was always extremely uncomfortable by the 2-300 round point.
it's what the military contracted for, it's extremely difficult to change specs once the ink is dry on a military contract.
meh, bore axis is not that much of an issue with a high enough round count.
Because that's what the military contract specified. Same reason quad rails are still on the M4, etc.
I got a Wilson Combat on mine. Much better module
I’d send that damned gun back to sig.
It seems we're in an age where you don't need to spend a whole ton of money to get a pistol thats reliable and will perform when you need it to
And the crazy thing is the Taurus G2C/G3 for $200-2500 will run or surpass many of the more expensive guns, whilst being feature packed. They might not be the most refined, but they run.
Agreed I’ve been very impressed with my G2C
@@kylesonsalla7620 I love my G2C better than my M&P guns...
Got my MP 2.0 Compact for $375. Not a single malfunction in over 12k rounds:)
@@kylesonsalla7620 G2C has replaced my HK VP9 as my EDC. It's an outstanding gun. I'm thinking about getting a G3 next just for fun.
My p320 out of box had 2 failures with in 200 rounds. We deducted that is was more a magazine issue. Spring was super tight... Still using that magazine and I am now at 4000 rounds no more failures...
I bought my p320c 45acp used which is probably why it's run so well. The 9 round capacity sucks but afterall it is a compact carry that I don't even carry lol. I prefer my p365xl 9mm with the 15 rounder and the 12 rounder as backup. Definitely the best CCW I've ever had, also a fun range gun 🤙😊
Deduced
Im hoping that the gun just has to be broken in, but for $600 I would expect the M18 to perform better out of the box. I'm holding on to hope that the failures I had with mine were ammo related...hope I'm right, but time will tell.
Officer: "DROP YOUR WEAPON!!!"
Me: "But officer, It's a Sig!"
Officer: "WHAT EVER YOU DO, DO NOT DROP THAT WEAPON!!!"
Drop it softly!!!!!
Underrated comments for 300 Alex!
“Officer, can I put it in its velvet case?”
Funny, too bad the drop problem was fixed 🙄
Funny but not funny 😆 I own one
On the multitude of M18s we have had come through and be used for LTC or just at the range, most had to be shot 500 times to wear that tight spring into form. Bc of the length of time and amount of rounds (demanded by military) the spring comes a bit tight (this is exacerbated by being a shorter spring, than m17, full size, or X5 full. They work well once broken in. We have only seen 1 other p320 that had its sights off like that (and were non adj..... sometimes people mess with those adj sights before shooting or the store does (on adj sight variations) to show how much they can be altered. That being said, this is a combat gun, meant to have combat aim (shows more on short sight radius. Combat aim is different from 3 gun, or target aim guns in that you hold just under on target aim set ups vs combat aim set ups , where covering the object with front sight is the philosophy. Great vids, love the content, keep them coming. You make our jobs easier, when people can come in with a certain amount of info.
For all the money I have spent because of these videos you finally save me some bucks. Way to keep it honest.
Generally, most quality issues are production issues. You can’t run a factory that makes a lot of defects and expect QA, or QC yo catch everything. You have to work on it from both ends. Make the processes produce statistically fewer defects, and make sure you have no weaknesses in your inspection methods. Just my opinion.
It’s definitely production issues, but that means that the guys machining the parts are pushing parts through that are out, and QA is letting them..Companies like the one I work for have a very strict QA and very tight tolerances on the parts we run
He seemed progressively more bummed as the video went on, sad day.
lol I was
I was too. I have the m17 and when I saw that one I initially wished I had gotten it. Then he started shooting it. I'll just keep my M17
Good to see him keeping it real. Was thinking of picking this one is since the price is descent. I’ll save my money.
@@oneknife4121 he could say he was excited and you'd say im.going to buy one. Fools so influenced by someone else
@@soevasive - If you were going to buy a car you like, then a car tester shows that car is unreliable and could explode along with dozens of documented reports on that being true. Could you honestly say you'd still buy that car just to not be influenced by someone else? If so, there's only one fool in that story.
Looks like SIG needs to up their game out if the box on quality. I appreciate you honesty. I agree with you.
The box is better than the firearm lmao
Maybe I got lucky, but I pulled my out of the box, 300 rounds, no failure, dead on at 10 yds. Love this gun. Very happy with it.
I have the civilian version of this (Xcarry) no failures out of the box. Blazer brass 115 grain and some Turkish 115 grain FMJ rounds which are pretty dirty. Good ejection patterns too. This one here seem like it was barely ejecting the cases.
I have an m18. I bought it maybe two months ago. No failures and it shoots dead on. I am a 1911 man so I dont carry it but it's not bad
Same had my m18 for about 4 months def my edc . Ive shot about 2k rounds through it so far, and only had 1 misfire, and it was in the first 100 round since then runs like a champ . Sight take some time to get use to but its dead on . Seems like operator error for you to be shooting low .
Just got my m18 a couple days ago. My new EDC, first range session put a little over 400 rounds through it and it ran perfectly, no malfunctions what so ever, with 3 different range ammo and some of my carry ammo (to test my defensive ammo), dead on sites
@casey escobar I don't believe it matters if those numbers match. Once you get used to those sights they are dead on. It's easier to zero in on the sights at about 10 yards then as you get used to them move up to the longer shots,
I own both the M17 and M18. I haven't had misfires on either with around 1500 rounds through the 17 and over 2k through the 18.
I own both m17 &m18 no issues with my pistols
Another GREAT review I'd have to pass on that one ....... And that's why they call you the HONEST OUTLAW..........Thank you sir.
Yes he is good at reviews, good marksman, and honest. But i still recommend you run one yourself before you right it off as a pass. My m18 has 5000 rounds now, not a single malfunction and I still haven't even cleaned it. My sights are dead on too. It is actually very enjoyable to shoot, well it is for me at least
Haven't had a single failure through both the M17 and M18. Put about 1500 through the 17 and 2k through the 18. My 18 does shoot a little low, nothing serious. I LOVE my 18.
Just picked up my first stainless Taurus G3, thanks in part to your review Outlaw! Appreciate the content.
The G series are good guns. I've had many (3 G2's and now a G3). The only problems I experienced after many thousands of rounds was 2 of them started to not hold open when empty. Turned out the the catch itself was made of not great metal and eroded over time. I was able to correct it with new parts but it is what it is. My very first G2 (bought in 2016) had a shit barrel right out of the box. Sent fliers no matter what ammo I used. So far the G3 has had no issues but I haven't shot it a ton with the Chinavirus shit going on and I carry a CZ P10c
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 I get that. It's my goal to get my wife a G 43x and some compact/full size 9mm for me that's better. But she and I are in college right now so it's all we can afford.
@@jtlegionnaire6310 I was actually trying to make the case that the G3 will be a great gun. Sorry, I must have gotten a little side tracked in my first post but the fact remains - the G series is a very solid firearm and I the the G3 in particular is the best. I've had one since they came out and it has ran flawlessly.
Just recently purchased my sig sauer P320 M18 and absolutely love that pistol. Stacks a 21 round mag out to 25 yards and 3.5 to 4 inch group out at 50 yards. I had no accuracy issues out of the box what so ever with this pistol, and had no functioning issue with 4 different manufacturers of ammo.
I have this with a romeo1 pro on it and a straight trigger, helps a ton. Magtech has been the only ammo I run through my 320s with no failures.
Damn. I hoped for a flawless review. Thank you and your wife for taking the time to make a great informative and entertaining review.
I remember when Sig pistols used to come with a target. Proving the accuracy of the gun you just purchased. You can clearly see why that doesn't happen anymore.
The German made one's still do
My 92 ' P226 has one. A pleasant surprise for a first time gun buyer back then.
@@JF-cs2qz I guess they considered the American made Sig to be of a lower quality. That's not good marketing and it's also insulting!
@@firewalker6712 Well, I have 3 German made Sigs. Grew up on Japanese made cars too. As much as I hate to say it, the American made ones just don't compare. I think we, yes me included would rather watch our Netflix and watch sports and spend money on stuff, then really give thought to the products we make here. Imho.
@@JF-cs2qz the 🇩🇪 factory closed down a few weeks ago. SIG Sauer should review the QC. Demand is high so I'm sure they are cranking them out...
I'm 58 years old and have had A Boatload of handguns over the years.
My only keepers are from Beretta, CZ, and HK.
True .My keepers are my Beretta 92 compact and my HK45, but I do love my Sig p365 so far
Gotta say the CZ is reliable, I trust it more than any of my other handguns And rifles. I want to like other guns so much, but its the one that will be an end day gun
No Walther ?
Guess you never owned a German made P226. Sorry. Lol
Smith and Wesson MP9 is a keeper as well
I am surprised by the stove pipe you are experiencing ,my m18 has not malfunction at all and it is dead on ,the first 100 rounds right out of the box without even cleaning it first were all 100 head hits. I love this gun more so than my beloved glocks. I own both the M 17& 18
Please review the Beretta APX line. They are definitely within "budget range" now as they are easily found for under $350. I wish they had been chosen over the p320 having handled both I believe them to be the superior gun and (as reported) politics probably are what prevented their adoption as the M17&18
I have the apx combat with a rmr, inforce apl, and a berreta comp and I love it it's a great range gun especially with the 21rd fun sticks
The Polish police ordered almost 5,000 Beretta APX pistols after they won the bid last October. In there trials they go off a point system so it will be interesting to hear there feedback to add with there stable of Walther p99's and Glocks.
I bought the apx compact and converted it over to a centurion. Personally I love it, but need to take it out to the range. Dry firing isn’t scratching my itch! Damn my sharona cryus.
I think they took aesthetics into consideration and eliminated the APX on that alone. Its ugly as hell but shoots ok - my brother has one. It's no G19 or P10c though.
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 I know its a strong reaction point but I actually like the aesthetics, its what initially caught my attention a few years back when the APX launched. I haven't had the chance to try out the P10c (which sucks as I'm a HUGE CZ guy, I daily carry a P07) but I like it better than the stock G19. I prefer the trigger for sure, and I like the ergos a lot better. I can shoot it far better with those aspects
I've owned it for a little over a month and fired over 1,000 rounds, not one misfire or failure to feed. Have fired 5-6 different types of ammo, mostly Federal and Seller & Belliot
There were 3 malfunctions and sites off. Thats a lot for that price.
Slowpoke Gonzales but it’s a Sig, so it has to be good!😂😂
Nobody ever considered human error for sites and poor ammunition for malfunction
Sights
5000 rounds deep in my m18 now. Not a single malfunction, and that's with a bunch of different types of range ammo, and some of my carry ammo. Sights are dead on right out of the box too.
Love my 18. 0 malfunctions and the sights are a little low. Nothing crazy. Don't know why he's had 3 failures.. thats actually odd. 🤷♂️
The reviews on this page have served me right since I started following a short while ago. Thank you for this!
For a hot second I was worried that the wife forgot her pot and spoon.
Thank you for always giving candid and honest reviews.
I bought a Canik TP9 SC the other day. And shot it today. I had 0 failures! And I ran five different types of ammo through it.
Jacob Eberhardt Same with mine. Great sub compact firearm with excellent trigger. But I have only 500 or so rounds through it so far. So needs more testing
I've had my M18 since January, shot true out of the box. I've also put 1500 rounds of Federal 115 and some reloads through it without a hic-up, wonder if you got a lemon. I will agree the large sights are a bit annoying, but it's easy to get past. Thought it was weird your case only had 2 21rnd mags, mine came with both 21rnd mags and a 17rnd.
Got my m18 yesterday. I love this gun.... Sig makes good guns big 👍 up to them
The Sig P320 was the first gun I ever shot. From a family that has never seen a gun, my friend took me to a range before he left to go home to England (shot P320, Glock 19 and Glock 26). I now am licensed, can conceal carry and own a S&W M&P 15-22 sport wanting a Ruger American Predator as a finishing my thesis reward from my stimulus check.
Everybody gives Sig such high praise. While they’re not junk, they seem to always have problems. P365 issues, P320 issues, M17 issues. They quit making most of their 1911’s, the area I think they shined the most.
The wife and I both bought sig m18s and we put about 100 rounds of peace through them and we have not had any problems
Not to sound like a fanboy but if he has difficulties with a gun, I'll just avoid the firearm at this time. He is one of the most accurate people ive found on UA-cam and if he can't hit the target, there is a problem with the gun.
M18 on the 18th! I see you
First time seeing any of your vids. Man you must be former SF or something with accuracy and capabilities like that! Very impressive
Lol what?! There’s literally thousands of videos of people doing the same thing
I bought a Bersa Thunder .22 ~10 years ago because it was a Walther PPK knock-off and similar to a Hungarian FEG .22 (?AP-22) I had. Its been a wonderful pistol! Maybe 400 rds and NO malfunctions with a mix of ammo. So I got a Bersa Thunder .380 and have maybe only 200 rds through it with 3 different brands of ammo and its hasn't had a malfunction yet. Kind of a budget-brand but I love them. Simple blow-back, accurate, reliable, affordable... I also own a bunch of .45's and 9mm's but that Bersa .380 is the one I'll take camping/back-packing because its light, accurate, and I trust it.
The reason why this gun does better at closer range is probably due to the shorter barrel length. This was actually one of the primary reasons why the Navy SEALs switched to the Sig 226 (MK25) from the Beretta. This gun looks cool but sad to see that it jammed that many times in the video. Sad because I love my Sig P226 (MK25), and I really wanted to look into this gun. Glad I saw this review.
And u just solidified my opinions of Sig..
Jeff Nardi agreed I really want to like them
I’m a Sig Fan. I own 7 or so. Including a P320 Gen 1. I love it. About 800 rounds, No FAILURES. I was considering this gun coz I lucked into $1200 somehow. Maybe not now. Appreciate the honesty
I purchased an M18 this morning because I considered it a sign of fate that my shop actually had one in stock. Without getting political, they've been largely unavailable with everything going on in the world so I jumped on it.
Keeping this video in mind, the first couple of magazines were rough. I did have two casings not eject properly and once my slide did not fully seat forward when I released it after reloading. After that though, it seemed to get better and better.
Although I think we should expect to be able to drive nails at short range without failures straight out of the box, I don't think it's necessarily abnormal to have early issues. We practice and train with our firearms and as we tune our skills to a particular gun they also break in and get better.
After 50 rounds, I was anxious about the money I had just spent. After 300, I was feeling better. After another 500, I'm hoping any and all concerns will be put to bed.
I'll be waiting patiently for your 1000 round review.
Your honesty is top notch!!!
the Sig has made you a mere mortal my friend...lol
Sig pistols are generally over-sprung like most other manufacturers because most owners wouldn't change recoil springs at normal intervals.
The M17/M18 pistols were designed and built to shoot 124gr NATO spec ammo. This could be a possible reason for the failures and for the point of impact with the sight. Sig along with most manufacturers don't do an adequate enough job of letting the normal consumer know things like this which is to say the least inconsiderate of their customers.
Yea id guess it wants +p rounds as to why the ejection failures happened.
There is a break-in period noted by many P320 M17/M18 owners that requires a 300-400 rounds of 124gr or 147gr before 115gr rounds stop stove piping.
I don't have the m18 so I can't say anything much but I do have the m17 and I can say at 1000 rounds it's preformed like a champ through it all.
In all seriousness, your channel has really helped get me through this quarantine. I appreciate all your hard work and effort. I've also been meaning to ask you, what is your take on the sig MPX carbine? I really want a PCC and I love the look of the MPX but the fact that it's around $2,000 is hard to swallow.
Go with the CZ Scorpion evo. Could even go with the PSA9 or the PSA Jackyl. Both are sweet
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 I'm not a fan of the fact that the Evo needs work immediately after buying it. I shot one before and that safety bothered me. So did the grip angle. And it felt very cheaply made (which I do not say about ANY CZ products outside of the evo) and I was hoping to stick to an ar style platform.
@@theremnant216 my MPX-K is hands down my favorite pistol and crazy accurate. I have a Romeo 5 xdr optic on top and it's a perfect marriage.Worth every penny.
I still love my Sigs . I haven’t had any issues with any of them . They all run just as they should . I am gonna say this is just a 1 off kinda deal . As someone else stated maybe the stove pipe is a spring issue . I will still carry mine .
I had the same problem with my p320 compact out of the box. Consistently shot 6 inches low (10 yards) so I let friends shoot to see if it was me, but even they had issues. Went out and bought new sights #8 rear and #8 front (was advised to do so) but still have the problem. Literally going crazy at this point.
I did a smaller front sight swap on both of my Sigs and left the rear alone. I would suggest tall rear and small front sights. Corrected the problem for me
This is definitely a bummer. I have a full-sized standard P320 and it is perfect. I shoot it better than anything else I own. I won't lie, it made me jump wholeheartedly onto the Sig train but seeing this makes me rethink some things. I guess I am fortunate I got a good one.
I hate that this happened to you, dude. But thanks for your authenticity. You are for sure the best there is here on UA-cam.
Sig is awesome, don’t change brands. The problem here just might be ammo. The m18 is a military gun that is designed to shoot NATO ammo. A lighter spring would be better for non NATO ammo
I got my m18 today. I am very happy with my purchase. I put on my romeo 1 and it makes it look even better. When I go to the rage ill give a update.
Have the pellet version of the m17 for backyard plinking, and had plans on buying the real 9mm version but was told by everyone not too. Thank you for confirming that they were right. Bought a CZ shadow 2 and haven’t looked back. 🤙🏼
I bought the m17 and m18. I haven't put a round through the M18. They both come pre lubricated. Sig recommends 124 to 147 grain 9mm ammo and requires a 500 to 1500 round break in period. I did that with my M17 using 115 grain 9mm and it had 2 malfunctions. The malfunctions stopped after 100 rounds and never had a malfunction using the recommended ammo 9mm 124 to 147 grain bullets. With the pre lubricant it is on so thick you need to get both models very hot and you will never have a malfunction again. Just my experience. Thanks for the video.
Turbo 23 1500 rounds to break in a handgun? Lol
@@Sam1628
Sounds weird but thats what the operation manual says. I have p226 several, 1 sig p228 made in Germany and the p229 equinox and the new X5 legion as well as the M17 M18 and a P365. I'm LE and my dad was for 32 years in San Jose, CA so I got the older sigs as hand me downs for our family collection. Lucky me. The older hammer striking Sigs have never ever malfunctioned as well as the X5 legion. So I'm still optimistic.
I’ve owned two West German Sig P226’s I’m starting to believe the quality is just not what it used to be
@@Sam1628
I agree brother. I still have some hope. Good talking. 👍
I shot my M18 yesterday and tossed probably about 200 rounds of CCI Blazer through it and it felt really good, All I did was clean the factory lube off and toss some Hoppes in there and I got no failures and decent accuracy
These will be replacing our M-9’s later this year. Fingers crossed
My p365 wasn't cycling rounds properly from time to time. I switched the followers from plastic to metal on the mags. No more issues
Never seen (or heard) you miss so much. I was getting frustrated just watching. I can't imagine how you felt.
Thanks for the honest review Honest Outlaw.
I see Sig's quality control still sucks. For the money that gun cost it better work and work right. No thanks. I'll stick with my Ruger's. Good quality at a lesser price.
The RAP also had the fancy chassis system in it.
Have you checked out the Security 9pro?
Fantastic!
Sig should bring back the P250. Same gun as the P320 only hammer fired. It shares the same frame as the P320 as well. I'll never get rid of my P250 not sure I'll ever buy a P320. I do like that tan slide. Great video as always.
This is why I watch YOUR channel you tell the truth about guns not like some others who just do fluff pieces and help sell junk .
Very revealing comments. Good review.
Thanks for your honest review
Makes me bummed to hear that serious disappointment in his voice toward the end of the video, but that's why I watch: the HONEST Outlaw. Love the vids. Keep up the great work.
This video is two years old but I must say I’ve shot the M17 recently and the sights weren’t so much of a hindrance for me. I did love the placement of the slide lock👌🏻. Providing that the m17 has a longer barrel than my g19 yet still had a more felt recoil baffles me.
I've been surprised that more people haven't pointed out the incredibly obvious height over bore increase in this gun over most of its competitors.
MusicMan1eAnda the high bore axis is likely because of the modular system, I’ve only looked at these not tore it down with a micrometer, but looks tight. If that the case, sales to the public is just their icing on the cake, after they ate the fat juicy burger of a government contract.
*cries in PPQ*
jrfish007 I disagree. Though the Sig does modularity better, both the Sar 9 and Steyer have lower bore axis and are both modular.
@@douglasshouganai2516 ppq isnt really that high its an optical illusion since the slide is taller
Had the same issues as you with mine. Four failures in 300 rounds and mine shoots low...
Douglas Frazier I had failures on 10 out of 10 rounds
Glock fan boys usually do.
David S did you watch this video?
@@DS..69 and Honest is a Glock boy thats why there are failures? a guy who likes sig and has the std one? right......Glock hater.
@@ashleydaniels1132 Wrong. I carry a Glick on an off duty.
I’ll stick with my $349 m&p 2.0.
JGSH13 exactly. Outside of looks, this Sig seems like it can’t hold up even with the 2.0 M&P series as it stands. I’m honestly surprised
Good gun and you got it at a sweet price. I've been carrying a CZ but I have packed the 2.0 compact around alot and I have always liked it.
Malcolm Bevel nothing wrong and everything right with an m&p 2.0 ...
Had both and sold the sig p320
Kelsey R i have at least 1500 rounds through my full size M&P 2.0 and no failures whatsoever.
just saved me some money ill stick with my 19x...thank you
I’ve put about 2,000 rounds through mine without any of the issues you stated - not one failure.
I had the same problem with my p320 the failure to eject rounds properly. Sent it back to sig they told me to grip harder still did same thing. Sold it ASAP good riddance to bad rubbish.
Id say run some +p through it 115 is likely to blame rather than limp wristing
Ours are working great. It’s easier to train new Airmen to hit well with it (vs worn out M9s) and works fine for a sidearm. It’s not my favorite, but an ok tool to supplement the the M4.
SIG quality control has been absolute trash the past couple years. Way overpriced for the performance they give their customers.
Buy a german made sig? Bit more expensive but quality should be better (I hope, I just bought a german made p229 😊)
Robbert Loevendie you can tell by the serial number. The 229 is an excellent gun. They fly off shelves. Personally I carry a legion vs in 9, while a lot of our 3 letter govt agency associates and past coworkers employ them in 357 Sig or make sure they are using the +p or +p+ 9s from Underwood or similar quality ammo. The Xtreme defender is super popular among p229 carriers bc wether it’s +p, +p+, it’s an easy controllable shooter.
Idk I've only put 350 rounds through my p320 Xcarry but the only mishap Ive had is a a single did round. No other malfunctions as of yet. Want to go shoot it more but quarantine has my range shutdown.
@@PlhPatrick unfortunately, in Switzerland where I live, basically for 9 only the fmj and frangible ammo is allowed as far as I know but you can get +p but then in fmj. There is some other 9mm ammo out there but it is rare
Since about 2005, actually.
I own a M17B ( all black) and it came with 2 21 round magazines and one 17.
Thanks for review ...was just thinking of buying as my 1st but I will keep looking!
The 19x was the far superior option for our military. Unfortunately, you can't help but expect government committees to make the incorrect choice. It's what they do best
Kriss Sphinx SDP Compact is superior to the 19x. And yes not surprising the government wasted money.
I have the Sig M17, M18 and the 320X compact with all being good out of the box so far. They all have over a thousand rounds at this point, no malfunctions yet. Now in the last few years, I’ve had some troubled Sigs, two different 229’s, a 226 and an MCX. I don’t trust their quality control that much anymore due to my experience. I do like my three 320s for the most part but I tend to shoot low with them as well, especially my 320X compact. Could be me but it seems, like here, others have the same issue. Overall though, I like the ergo’s and they have a decent trigger IMO.
Being a Glock guy you probably know I mean this when I say, give the M18 another fair shake with Military NATO pressure rounds.
A 115gr 9mm flying slower than 1250fps probably isn't giving enough energy to cycle that military spec'd recoil spring reliably.
If my stock civilian $400 gen 4 Glock 19 can cycle 100K of any round from range plinkers to NATO pressure with zero issues, a stupid $680 so called "military" pistol should handle it with no fuss. But at least it's a cool looking gun and the corpse of some poor soul will look tacticool holding it when he's killed because his M18 wasn't reliable.
@@reachblowsdick7222 115 grain is garbage all around dude
@@mixedmarksman5873 - Whether 115 grain is garbage or not, an overpriced Sig M18 should cycle it reliably. Also 9mm is garbage all around "dude". 10mm, 357 Magnum is where it's at. I'll leave the weenie 9mm for you "tea cup" soft handers, lol!
@@reachblowsdick7222 well I don't blame the gun. Use good ammo and actually load it right and itll work. And this gun is only $600 really ain't that expensive lol
@@mixedmarksman5873 - If a cheap $250 Taurus or $100 Hi-Point can cycle 115 grain 9mm ammo, so should a $680 M18. It's amazing just how lenient Sig fanboys are always forgiving Sig for the many reliability and dangerous safety issues they have simply because they think they look cool. I've used thousands and thousands of cheap TulAmmo and Wolf Steel case 9mm through my G19 and it's never once given me any issues, but let me guess, my "proven extremely reliable" G19 sucks because it's ugly, lol!
Last week I saw an M18 for sale for $799.99 due to the pandemic price gouging. Before the pandemic they cost $629.99 plus tax is $681.56. So yeah, $680 sounds about right. Used ones will cost maybe $550-600.
Finished 500 rounds on mine and didn’t have any problems
I put about 250 rounds through mine so far, and I haven't had any issues with it. Putting another 100 rounds or so in it tomorrow(gotta get practice with the red dot)
The malfunctions on the Sig shown here are a real disappointment. I expected better.
As for the "aiming low", I believe the sights on the M18 are sighted using a "combat hold" as opposed to the center hold or six o'clock hold. This means that the white dot on the front sight is where the point of aim would be (as opposed to the top of the front sight in the center hold or above the front sight in the six o'clock hold.)
Were you using the combat hold when shooting this firearm?
Thanks for the great reviews, as always.
A couple of things. 1 the fronts site probably needs to be swapped out for a #8. It's a known issue. I don't know why SIG doesn't just ship them with the number 8 front site to begin with. 2. 9mm 124 gn ammunition will solve the stove pipe issue.
Beautiful, Beautiful gun
My m17 has never failed, 8k rounds threw it
Through
I live in California. I can only imagine being free and able to buy this.
Cali sucks 🤣
Thank you so much for this review I’ve had the same problems with this gun out of box glad to know I’m not alone 💯🤘🏻
Funny. I didn’t notice any of this with mine. 500 rounds of various ammo. FMJ and HP in various weights. Not one FTF or FTE. He mentioned muzzle flip. I actually commented to the RSO that I surprised at the LACK of muzzle flip from this firearm.
Mine came with 1 17 and 2 21 round magazines. On the very first use the 17 round mag would not load the 17th round and it failed to lock the slide back. When I reloaded that magazine it took all 17 rounds easily and locked the slide back from then on. Odd thing to have a break in on, but whatever!
I’m a 1911 guy so this is definitely a step in a different direction for me as a shooter. I like it though. Much better in my hand than a Glock or CZ.
To each his own I guess.
The Army was having the same exact issues and STILL went with them over Glock. That's crazy.
Owned an early model p320 tacops. Shot low for me, couldn’t tell if it was me but I wasn’t having that issue with any other gun. Sold it, but was hoping by now they would have fixed it. Was on a waiting list for the M18, guess I’ll have to pass.
I think you definitely got a lemon. Ive shot over 600 rounds through my M18. I've used UMC Remington, Blazer, fiocchi, and most recently Hst. And not one malfunction. Per the owners manual, I took it apart, cleaned and lubed with good ol hopped and I think it's a great firearm. The whole bore axis debate is a thing of preference.
Good to know, I WAS considering buying one. Thanks for the demo!
Oddly, to some folks I require a thumb safety on my striker fired pistols. 40+ years carrying and shooting 1911's it is second nature sweeping down the slide when I draw. Mainly, I want the safety on there for holstering. I can't see behind me. So I holster, gun goes in "clean" I disengage the safety, but still sweep the slide when I draw it. Hope that all made sense?
Best to ya',,,,as always!
I put 800 rounds through my m18 no problem, I love mine!
My P320C 45acp looks almost the same but obviously it's smaller. I had 5 Glocks and one Sig, now I have 5 Sigs and one Glock. Never thought that would happen but it did. CCW is a Sig p365xl and I absolutely love it. The only Glock I kept is my G19, I think everyone should own a G19 along with a Keltec Sub2000 for a fun combo. Great review as always bro. Probably no Chinese virus to worry about out in the stix 🤙😊🙏❤🇺🇸
Surprised with the failures, will pass on this. Thanks for the review outlaw
LOVE IT 🏆 DESPITE THE JAMMING
CAPACITY 👌🏿🏆
Yeah they're built with battle sites which means so your point of aim is rate where the dot on the front sight is
I had a P320. I had a subcompact x-change kit for it too. Sold it. Went to M&P 2.0 before shooting and deciding I love glocks. My glocks shoot like a dream for me. Personally I think the 19X is a better pistol. Another UA-camr did a comparison and shot the 19x better and faster. He loves his P320s too.
Check the crown of the barrel....I had a brand new lumber pro carry 2 and was shooting consistently low almost same way and the crown or the barrel had a large gouge in it
Dude that's a helluva group.
I own glocks, sig, S&W , colt , etc....... . I love all of mine . I have nothing bad to report about my M-18 . Never a single failure . Shoots just as good as my 19X .