The Web Developer Job Market Is Broken
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That's mid-senior dev, working with the junior's salary.
Yes!
Not senior but definitely fits into mid-level profile, specially because 3 out of those technologies (AWS, Go, D3) are not the standard "entry level".
intermediate*
No true senior or true mid is working a junior’s salary. It’s mainly just low mids who would be considered juniors at other companies.
@@k-lawnThe last company I work for as a junior had me doing everything. I built the front end, and back end. made api's, custom Wordpress themes, next js web apps, even apps for phones.
After 3 years I asked for a raise, got instead a 5 year plan to move from 30k, what they been paying for 3 years, to 50k. no raise after the 3 years, meaning at year 8 I would have been close to what I wanted. I quit on the spot when they told me that.
Requirement- midlevel
Salary - intern
Criteria- full IT department
Bro is bacially asking us to socialize !
So introverts are fcked
He says touch grass
I didn't study web development for that!
@@lauraw2526 If you've never had an IT job before, then let me tell you - it's all about collaboration and teamwork. You don't get to tinker around on your computer by yourself all day (maybe as a junior dev you can). The higher your position, the more you'll be sitting in meetings and mentoring other devs etc. So, don't neglect to hone your people skills alongside tech skills!
I attended couple of meetups around my city and its just filled with all other job seekers and recently laid off people 😂😂😂
I went to a webdev meetup a few months ago. It was really sad. 70'ish people there, like 3 werent looking for work.
yup, it's more like an unemployed people meetup 😂
I'm an experienced Front-End developer with 17 years of experience. I've applied to many companies and I'm not getting any call backs or emails. The resume scanners are killing us.
What should the rest of us mortals expect then? 😢
@@sebastianlozano7707 I suspect that after the dust settles, we will have a much clearer picture of what the industry is really looking for in current software developer requirements. My suggestion is to keep getting stronger with your code and to volunteer our services to create something for someone of some company that needs your skill set. You may have to do some free wok temporarily but you will be gaining something very, very important. Experience.
Probably perceived as too expensive. They prefer Juniors and mid especially for frontend. Most jobs aren't for companies/applications serving millions of customers all over the world. Do you also look for full stack positions? It might be easier for you to to get a such job, because there's a ton of legacy applications and systems that need maintenance and are even further developed, and your experience here would be valuable. Many companies struggle with finding people willing to work with legacy systems, so consider what you'll answer when asked "how important is to you to work with latest technologies" or similar.
@@denissorn I'm full stack with Node.js/Express/Apollo/GraphQL. I have years of experience working with legacy code bases. My last job has a code base for some sections of the application written in Angular 1.58(wrapped with a custom derivative made in-house), CoffeeScript, and Java/JSP. I'm no stranger to living in that world. My resume indicates that I have experience in such code bases.
You are correct in your explanation, though. Lots of companies have older tech stacks that need maintenance and eventually, upgrades. I'm experienced in doing both.
If you with that much experience are not getting responses, then I think it is alright for me. I will starve.
I have 4 years professional experience (plus code a lot in my free time) and regularly help senior devs with stuff they should easily be able to handle. My company restructured their job titles. They gave me the 1-3 year job that says I’m a beginner at everything. The titles and years mean nothing.
Bro you were the ladder for their success you would had focus on your skill set so that you achieve success
I was so lucky to get my foot in the door in 2022, only a year or two later and the job market is much harder to enter. That said, the amount of resources available to learn this job without actually having the job is endless. You can get experience without it, the hardest part is finding someone willing to take a chance on you
I hope you all find your dream jobs and grow! Good luck
Friendly reminder for those struggling to find a job - while you're searching you can freelance/start your own company. You don't have to be reliant on others for your own success.
In reality, it's much harder.
Of course, it is easy to say like: "Just start a startup, you will be rich if you work hard." The reality is much harder than that, and you would lose much more money if you fail
Did you do it tho?
@@valerioharvey7289 I believe he means become a contractor, not create a startup. But the contractor market is also shit at the moment, in the UK at least.
This is probably harder than landing a job
Time to go back to farming then
simpler times
@@myt.b.magenta yep, currently saving money as a web developer to finance a small wholesale retail store, and currently studying as a 35 year old agriculture student, no plan of staying on IT field. Just saving money and get out of this field ASAP.
@@karlomoonblade bruh wha 💀
The bubble burst.
Eh, just a lot of different effects pushing things in the same direction at the same time. It's not like people suddenly decided that they don't need technology, or web dev. What works to get a job done changes all the time and I think it's very interesting that being married to the term "web developer" may be the downfall of a lot of people who code. Continue to learn; continue to evolve; and put in the time and effort!
Its makes me so sad actually. When i finally decide to turn my life around 180 and become a software developer/frontend developer the entire market is full and there is almost no way to get a foot in when i graduate.
Just my luck. god fucking damnit
Have faith bro
Yeah no option. I'm working as a frontend dev and I realize this everyday. Initially I was aiming for Python but I finally got this. Life is so unpredictable but one thing that can definitely be predicted is life sucks. And you still have to live😅
I feel ya, same boat.
You're a loser, baby.
But we get to be loser together
Well, same for me. But then I try switching to learn backend with php and go.
Absolutely ridiculous. And you wonder why this field is in “high demand”. How are you supposed to gain experience if no one hires you?
The market is brutal. I am a senior with over a decade on a pretty good resume and unique website. I never had difficulty getting a new job until being made redundant last year. I just applied for over 70 roles, and from that, I got 8 interviews, and finally, after 3 months of endless job hunting, I got 2 offers. One of which was on a lower salary than my previous role, and the other was in some tech I didn't really want to work with. But I took it anyway. Moral is, don't give up. You might not land your dream job, but perseverance will at least get you something.
I've been working as a Dev for nearly 20 years. Never has it been this difficult and challenging to get work. I took a non-senior title role just so I can work.
Anyone here who is a Frontend Dev who is being forced to do comp sci data algorithms for interviews despite never doing it on a daily basis?
Exactly 😂. It's a pain.
With too many bootcamps churning out too many graduates over the past five years has already led to a glut of candidates in the entry-level job market, and now with so many Junior devs losing their jobs over the past year, it's so much easier to hire experienced instead of hiring fresh that you'll have to invest the next year training.
What is there are no meetups in our area?
I live in Waterloo, IA. There are developers jobs here(though, scarcely), but no meetups or anything like that.
The thing that I can't believe it is that WordPress is one of the top tech that every one is looking for while I spend entire year to learn React.
The best thing is to not land a job but build your on stuff and market it.
THIS! And that's why I'm learning to code
Good luck finding a product. Market is so saturated
@@miauw8762 no worries I have a product that does not exist yet and is very needed at the same time😉 But I agree , the easy to come up with type of products are taken.
The mid and senior markets are broken as well. These companies want entire IT departments, not developers
Networking especially with start up founders is a great way to meet local tech leaders. Ive been cold calling/messaging executives and leads that I’ve met at these kinds of things and it’s led to my resume being sent to places it never would have landed
Yeah, it's not easy (and a lot of rejections) but you have to promote like crazy when the market is saturated.
Meeting people and networking is the BEST way to get a good job. It might take a while, but getting out there and meeting people will help you get past the giant wall that is ATS...
I have an interest in web dev. Can you please give me some advice?
No. The best thing you can do on your resume is lie.
I did land my first IT job as an RPA dev without studies , experience or help from anybody (other than my self-taught studies). Just learn as much, solidly and fast as you can, try to broaden that knowledge, and learn to transmit that knowledge/confiednce to the interviewer. If you think you are worth it, the interviewer will think it too. Is hard, but if you don't stop trying, it's 100% assured. And don't fall for the "fake it till you make it" trap, you won't have self confidence that way and it's not long-term consistent.
I’m so fortunate to have been scouted at university
I just love how I started learning how to code at the best time possible only to end up living in the worst time for the IT market (at least in my country). I feel so unmotivated and broken inside, like I just wasted yeara of my life on nothing. What a time to be alive. Wish I had connections like some other people.
Oof I feel this.
I've been suffering from severe depression recently about this.
A lot of the work is outsourced to places like India where you can get a full website for a fraction of the cost. There are a lot of talented people everywhere so companies will generally look for the best price.
I now have 12 years of full stack experience and it’s harder now than it was 6 years ago when I was last looking. It’s ridiculous
Companies today expect candidates to basically “walk on water”. Engineers go thru 8 to 24 hour worth of interviews (combined, not in a row) now and pelting them with on the spot computing puzzles to solve. It never used to be like this.
People who go to networking events are usually unemployed like you. I used to go to lots of networking events but the more I go to the more depressed I am
Webdev youtubers are the new "get rich with crypto and etfs in one week bros"
He is literally saying it's really hard?
@@mukta5417 It's not him, but most other creators acting like their weird job interview shorts are anywhere good in a real job interview, and developers acting like all you need is to learn some JavaScript to get a well paid job. In reality, even with 10+ years in all these technologies companies don't consider you good enough or only want to pay you like a freshman. Based on my employers own job advertisements I'm not surprised they don't find new people, because they're asking for the skills of their current employees but anyone who has these wouldn't even consider joining for less than 1,5 times our average pay here.
wat?
?? Pretty much every webdev youtubers say that programming is a long process. Some youtubers say that you can learn programming in a few months. You can do that, but that don't make you job ready
@@mukta5417so saying it's hard is a content you want to see
This type of video discourages me from wanting to work in tech
Just started learning web dev this week and I absolutely love it. so glad to discover your channel, I've learnt more in an hour from you than I did all week. P.s. you have awesome hair!
Pick an open source project whose contributors include those at big companies. Learn from them while they learn about you. Pay attention to how they approach a problem and start using that approach yourself. One day when they ask "How are you?", say "I'm good, just looking online for some new opportunities. Do you know of any?"
If they know some, then apply. Go for an interview. If you don't get it, you learned how those companies interview in 2024 and know better for the next time. If you do get it and you get laid off in a year, you have a year's experience and compensation at a big company, know more people at that level, and will find it easier to move into a new role. If you get it and are kept on longer than a year, then you're continuing to build experience, compensation and your profile in the industry.
This is what many people in big companies have done over the years, and it continues to work.
Remember, if you're applying for a job, you're not after a get rich quick scheme. Be smart with your time and plan for the future.
I'm lucky I got started years ago and only needing to know general HTML/CSS/JS. I really think, though, it's all about fundamentals and problem solving. As a senior dev now, those are the things I lean on a lot, plus curiosity and collaboration.
Why would a fronted dev have experience with Go... My guess is that's a full stack position.
People are too busy in targeting FAANG for job.
They learn only those things which are valued in FAANG.
After frustration, They learn which is required in layer 2 tech giants.
Companies in layer 1 (FAANG) and in layer 2 tech giants, they have huge supply. Its difficult to win the competition.
Learn things that make you successful freelancer.
Your chances for success will be far more than, in Layer 1 & 2 companies.
I know people who learned PHP in 2023 and easily landed in resonable job right after learning.
I’ve been searching for a job in web dev for 2 years and I gave up…
What are your credentials? College degree? Coding bootcamp? Self taught?
@@vl3244 Self taught. I used to be a Wordpress and other CMS freelancer (PHP, JS and Symfony) and decided to learn React and Python (Django, FastAPI), but I even haven’t been invited for an interview. I was sent 4 or 5 testimonials which I successfully completed but I’ve never received any feedback.
damn deflation hits hard
Great advice!
bro how do u get hair that thick?? y dont u start with that
The market ebbs and flows. It will pick up again, it always does
Get out of here with your reasonable evaluations the sky is falling
@@trentirvin2008I know right smh
Indeed! Even if it looks different when it comes back, it comes back.
no, AI is here - it will only shrink.
Love your videos you guys inspired me to study so hard to become a ethical hacker... thanks ❤🎉
if corporations could learn how to write application specifications software development could be bid on by developer groups. Looking at what passes today as "completed" in a corporate environment is far from error free.
Companies asking for skills Elon Musk doesn't have to build websites. And paying janitor wages.
Elon Musk isn't a skilled programmer.
@@vl3244 What Elon said: I'm an engineer I do engineering so I me I wrote software for like 15 years 20 years
It's hard to be a web dev
If you're ready to waste years from your life to learn then you can do it
But if you think that in a couple of months you can land 100K salary then go and study another thing
So... you're saying it's much easier than college and much more profitable for just about everyone? Also, what waste? It's fun and you learn how to build stuff.
@@reidyoung298 fun, when you know what to learn and how to learn it. But it’s a very confusing landscape wouldn’t you agree? I really struggled with this and I even got some official degree. So no it was not all fun although I enjoyed building stuff. It was quite a struggle to understand what you need and need to know to build which type of application or website and to understand what type of dev job that fits with that. They haven’t taught me all that at school. If you want to be a self taught dev that seems like a very daunting thing to do. Especially because companies have huge expectations of juniors.
@@reidyoung298 where is he saying web dev is easier than college. If anything he’s saying the exact opposite.
What should we study then ?
Went through a bootcamp and dedicated so much time and effort learning web development to end up with no responds/rejections left and right because I'm not "experienced enough"... makes me just want to give up at this point and I feel like I'm just not smart enough
Don't feel like that, the market is totally saturated. I'm 46, dev since my teenaging, and even I had a hard time finding a job (got a ton of rejection until I got a new position). Basically for a senior, they're expecting to replace the entire IT department.
@@rael_gc is it even worth putting more time and effort into ?
Its not as hard as they make you think guys... stay calm
Nah its almost impossible
This typical video for losers ,so brings losers... I'm get out of here.
I've given up. I'm just going to work minimum wage. Web development is a pipe dream at this point since I'm self thought.
"self thought": "I think therefore I am"?
@@johnkeck???
@@jamesogorman3572 you wrote, "self thought" as if you think about your self
in same boat brother..... I'm 27 and been learning web dev since 25.........I'm also at the verge of giving up......
@@jamesogorman3572thought or taught?
Not that I need a job, but where's the link?
What about backend?
I have rarely gotten a job from a resume, and most of them turned out to be crappy jobs. I have had much better jobs via friends and acquaintances. And running my own business, advertising just sucked money, word of mouth from customers paid off much better.
Dont do frontend. Do backend or full stack
companies will never let a random junior play with their databases.
Being full stack doesn’t mean they gonna give u their entire db. Where did u get this conclusion bro ?
idk, the days of being barely passable at the whole stack and landing a job is over, better to specialize than to go full-stack. Save full-stack for the senior devs people
If you’re doing full stack you are doing back end. Full stack is just another term for sucker working at a company who’s not prepared to pay anyone else.
@@square-deal2375I kinda agree. Senior devs don’t do full stack, they’re not that stupid. I’ve worked with plenty of experienced back end coders and they just laugh at css. They don’t have time for it. You need to specialise to get a job in the market. Db admin etc, when they say do a landing page, say it’s not my job.
How about backend?
Same 3 years ago
How tf is your hair so great
He actually did a video on it a while ago
Suggestions?
Nah what they did they reduced the salary
There's no such a thing as frontend developer role anymore. I'm employed as one I hass been for the last 7 years. What you actually do on a job is far more. But also far less than UI development. Strange times.
really had to happen when Im still in high school. Now the job market is going downhill and probably will continue to do so for years, I wonder if i should stop coding now.
Persist.
Agreed!!! Thx man!
I can say half because of indian students 80% of my class are MERN devs who hasn't touched any other thing😂😂. Thanks to them i got overwhelmed with webdev and exploring cloud and devops along with backend.
Its not, if someone cant find a job then well... think about something else because if u are decent its easy to get a job
I feel like this is a problem only in this west and your salary is expensive.
Yeah they need junior to be senior.
How to attend a local meet up?
Step 1: open Google.
Step 2: search "coding meetup whateveryourycityis"
I hope those companies go out of business.
Its fine for 4-5. Years
Imagine if wordpress and wix and similar tools does not exist, we'd all have jobs now 😅
I remember those times...been doing HTML since '96. But then there was no real market, very few companies' CEOs even knew what "internet" was, or if there was any point or getting a website.
@@3polygons oh yeah... But you knew that if you work - it's gonna be the honest job, this now is all like drag-n-drop tools which generates code after that and all smaller companies and e-commerces are working on that...
@@MazoCreed Yup... and gate keeping their sites, at least in the case of Wix, Weebly, Jimdo... as in, charging for every little thing to those small business or even mid size companies... like quite more expensive to have a domain with those sites than in the market (if I remember correctly, with Wix you can have the domain at your cheap godaddy or namecheap, but Wix and all those platforms charge you _quite_ for letting you assign it!), etc.
Wordpress is different, better bang for the buck, more "freedom", and they have built a *huge* ecosystem around it. And a lot of PHP coders get gigs for customizing WP sites, anyway. But of course, if these wouldn't exist, there'd be a lot more jobs and gigs for web developers, definitely.
In a much larger degree (as in, programmers will always have a place/job for some decades, yet. Maybe for ever. The key is in which number they'll still be required) it is happening with generative AI for images, damaging illustration and digital painters' mere way of life (I'm one of those, yikes). All in all, those of us doing freelancing, I don't mind taking Weebly, WordPress or Wix projects. Also, unlike working at companies, freelancing allows one to even go just pure vanilla JS, HTML and CSS, and pixel perfect graphics (I do my graphics and design) which I love since the old times.
Wordpress offers you a php dev position so whats wrong with that
True that nowadays you can get a website with a few clicks... but its also true that nowadays many more companies want to get much more complex apps.
And these complex apps need to be build by developers.
Market has just evolved.
Developers need to be more skilled now.
It also doesn't help that 99% of "developers" are copy and pasters or theme installers.
Dont play their game, start your own bussines
Dude yes!
Another profession that we screwed up 😊, next medicals?
sad truth 😭
Super bro
Yeah brother, everybody wants to be in web dev space every single mf non tech graduate wanting to get their foot into IT field starts with web dev and this has become a trend especially in India. This causes the CS / IT grads struggle alot and even more tougher to find entry level web dev jobs.
"Go touch some grass"
what's the point of trying to get honest work? Might as well just steal and loot.
Let's all go into strike so all companies will have to raise salaries and lower expectations.
Not everyone wants a union. I'm tired of middlemen taking my money.
@@juangalton999 not what I meant.
That's labour way, relaxing and enjoying or learning is a programmer way and instead companies will go on strike, anyways they are just some stones and bricks with attached washrooms... If you go on strike on roads, you aren't against them you are with them, that's how they gather crowd on roads for their work for free.
@@puneetgrover6998yeah obviously in no way I meant to insult any web programmers, only stupid fools with find relation between programmers and prolabours, by the way you mention your creation ? Can I get link for the same, I don't get how my definition of company was relatable?
@@puneetgrover6998after checking the website I couldn't believe you created this e commerce website all alone and I scrolled to check and found your name below along with your FB link.. and the companies aren't still hiring you - definitely mad. And ROFL by no means these are attached washrooms, first I didn't got it and then I checked on my laptop, even college hostels have seperate men and women section.. even seperate bedrooms, trial rooms etc and by no means programmers be compared to labours, it's madness spread by form filers and some mechanical engineers, programming is not about typing or joining wires and pipelines.. even all these combined can be matched with the programmers intellect and knowledge... But It felt nice interacting with you.. really proud to have people like you as a programmer.
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There goes my $20grand student loan after taking the certification boot camp program. It's so sad.
I attended Tech elevator just for this and decided to just finish my CS degree instead. We can only hope it gets better
@@Will-gi3wg as long as you are committed to it. You will be fine. I went to a very nice university, honestly the boot camp program is not worth it. Just go to something cheaper or get your bachelor's degree. Now these days those companies will hire you if you have any kind of bachelor degree. Good luck though
@@marceillatanadi i couldn't agree more. Especially in my country, you will need a bachelors degree to land a job in most companies. Also, a good relation with a /more person that has been working in a company you are trying to land a job , would be a plus point😂.
@@Will-gi3wgIt won't with development pf AIs who will make companies hire less programmers. I guess the best thing to do is to befriend people in the company or learning things that not much fresh graduates knows, like AI development
Nobody is talking about AI.
my problem is I can't move to another company.
This was always the joke with my classmates coming out of programming school. You can't get a job because you don't have experience, but you can get experience because you can't get a job.
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hi im gabe im a chemical engineer and software engineer student i think u ar beautiful
There is a better solution, don't beg for a job, work for yourself.
1972 everyone LOL
ok but how
True, but that comes with its own struggles as well, such as probably having to learn stuff like wordpress and shopify and so on, but I rather that than beg
Dude's hair looks like as if its AI generated
Bro is definitely AI
That's what happens when you run bootcamp ponzi schemes.
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"the job market is broken" ftfy
Try php
To get a job in the market become specialised. Full stack is just another term for sucker who never specialised.
Specialized in what? JavaScript… Python? Simple e-commerce websites?
He means choosing either frontend or backend as opposed to full stack.@@jtc9098
That's why we lie on our resume. Don't worry, ChatGPT and similar AI can help... hahaha
At this point guys change your career to something that is in demand, the juice is not worth the squeeze, the job market is flooded with competition
I give up of programing. Only as a hobby
R.I.P. Software Development
first! i like your videos much! keep it up 😊
Oh. Just go outside and talk to other, real, living, breathing people, huh? Easy for someone that won the chin and cheekbone lottery to say. Most of us are socially awkward just catching a glimpse of ourselves in the mirror. Read the room!