Julie Reshe on Death Drive, Depressive Realism and Philosophy for the Living Dead
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2024
- Dr. Julie Reshe (@JulieReshe) is a philosopher, a practising negative psychoanalyst, and a public intellectual. She is currently a visiting professor at University College Cork and University College Dublin. She earned her PhD studying psychoanalysis at the Research Centre of the Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts under the supervision of Alenka Zupančič. She's also the author of Negative Psychoanalysis for the Living Dead: Philosophical Pessimism and the Death Drive. In this episode, we discuss politics, emancipation, therapy, loss, salvation, and love through her negative philosophy.
You can find more of Dr Reshe's work at www.juliereshe.com/
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Yes Julies book is like fresh air from a crypt paradoxically, it reminded me of Peter Rollins phrase “a desert in the oasis of life.” It is satisfying to read a clinical critique of positive psychology in our enjoyment soaked era.
It seems Julie is trying to destigmatize melancholia and depression, as they are completely valid positions in life. I spoke to Duane Rouselle a month or so ago and he has beef with Julie’s position.. saying that “she still thinks death will save us.”
It would be quite an event to have them talk. Especially since he released a book with Routledge just after Julie’s Neg. Psych book called “Negativity in Psychoanalysis: Theory and Clinic” which was endorsed by Zizek. It is also quite great so far as well and features an anthology of authors.
Thanks for this video my friend
Isn’t it more accurate to say that Reishe’s position is that “nothing is coming to save us, and nothing should?” (As she writes in the book), and then building a “new” solidarity based on this premise?
@@dethkon if you stop at "building a new solidarity' part, I think it pretty much sums up it. She says we need to confront the lack of no salvation, but when you think about it, knowing your experience is a usual one inevitably creates that sense of belongingness.
So I guess she was right when she said she's a "failure"😂
Cheers! And I certainly agree she's a breath of fresh air... ironically!
@@dethkon Yeah Julie is saying that there is no cure, no salvation-but this claim creates an opening, de facto. She states at the end of her first chapter, “This is a ‘safe space’ for pain, disappointment, loss, and lack of hope.” Later on in her chapter on Malabou’s destructive plasticity she says, “The unfixable ones are not grasped by a positive framework […] it is not able to properly recognize the tragedy of their existence.” She goes onto say that she is extending Malabou’s insight even deeper, in recognizing this living deadness in every person.
Julie asserts that there is no relief, that we all share abyssal negativity, that alienation is an in-touchness with the core of existence-but it is salvific inevitably if you believe this because it means we all are shattering together, that we have a kind of dark solidarity, that the pressures of positive injunctions to enjoy/be happy/be cured, whatever, are alleviated to some degree. Her insistence on non-prescription necessarily has an effect of destigmatization it seems, ironically perhaps.
@@nightoftheworld Unironically wonderful. Thanks for your reply.
Some kind of special language has to be developed, at last, to describe “happiness” of being living dead, so that phrases like “l’m happy to live a useless life” wouldn't sound so awkward. Thank you for this conversation, it is comforting, just like Julie Reshe’s book itself, in the most profound negative sense ever.
In complete agreement with the comforting part of Dr Reshe’s work! Or perhaps we need to redefine what a person means by happiness and let it be used with ostensible awkward statements like “I’m happy to live a useless life”?
@@RahulSam Yes, actually, it would be a more genuine way. We will definitely fail though, but still have to try)
I don't think it sounds or is awkward. Although "I'm content to live a useless life" might be more accurate for the most part. Happiness is okay but it comes when/if it comes. Pursuing it can be useless; although if a person is content to live a useless life perhaps the useless pursuit of something like happiness might be good for them.
I reckon Julie Reshe is actually an honorary Derry Girl or so Orla, Claire, Erin, Michelle, and James are hinting ~ the positivity rests within Keirkegaardian notions of either/or as asking Or What? the behavioural activation derive more from the hermeneutic of Hereclitus, Thales and Anixamander as it does the source scripts between the annihilatists and eel wrigglers in early Buddhism; it is the silence in bhramanic thought-forms and the seed planted while I was sleeping ~ this interview blows the rest out of the water of Thales; Julie Reshe is on fire 🔥
Is this Peter Rollins account? Don’t lie I know it’s you! (jk lol)
19:32 What did Lacan think of Buddhism? And *in which book of his did he talk about it?
Very interesting guest, I haven’t finished the listening to the episode but it is interesting to bring philosophical pessimism in relation to death drive… I read Beiser’s book on German pessimism and it really kept me hooked. The way you say in the beginning about the guest’s book being comforting is the same feeling I had after reading the German pessimists.
I can't remember the exact sources, but you may find this essay by Žižek useful:
thephilosophicalsalon.larbpublishingworkshop.org/why-lacan-is-not-a-buddhist-a-belated-reply-to-my-critics/
I assume you mean Weltschmerz: Pessimism in German Philosophy by Beiser? I haven't read it, but I just added it to my next book haul!
Thanks again for the insightful comment, Sanay.
@@RahulSamExcellent essay, thanks for posting it.
We are all running towards the same unavoidable cliff, all the while we keep looking to those racing ahead of us, trying to run faster, better and smarter, and then we look to those running behind, feeling relieved that we are ahead (or sometimes we give them a hand so they can catch up - we ask the kids to "grow up"). We are devoting our lives to winning the death rat race. I cry about many things, but this one has made me laugh, since 1992.
First as tragedy, then as farce.
@@RahulSam It's a morbidly dark humor kind of laugh. It is indeed tragic. Thank you for the interesting and valuable content, Rahul.
There's a difference between the apprehension of and comprehension of being between Spielrein and Freud based on the previous insights of Janet and latterly picked-up by Ferenzci; there's a silence in the ontology of what Satre called Being-in ~ or sentience, well maybe ... the Forthcoming Occultism in the Origins of Psychoanalysis by Maria Peirri writes about such.
I’m too stupid to know what any of your posts are trying to say, but I’ll be damned if they aren’t fun to read.
@@dethkon glad you are enjoying yourself ~ but have you thought about reading 📚 it's quite good fun too ...
Thanks for the comment, mate! I will go through them carefully when I have some time.
Rahul, congratulations. I see you're fighting super hard to give compliments. 😂
Ah haha! Cheers, mate! 🤣
never heard of Rollins until now! but catch your drift; anyway, check out Mind,Meaning and Mental Disorder:The Nature of Causal Explanation in Psychiatry and Psychology by Derek Bolton and Jonathan Hill for the development of the early stages of the hermeneuticals, especially the idea of plasticity and the work of Daniel Stern on proprioception.... anyways and anyhow, eh! Thanks for the reference to Rollins I'll check him out.
He’s Irish you’ll like him
simply because he's Irish? or what ...
@@alecfraher7122 Yeah. You mentioned something about Derry Girls in another post? I don’t know anything about that but I know that Derry is in Ireland. So I’m assuming he’s one of your countrymen (Well I know that it’s technically two different “countries” or w/e but I don’t wanna get involved in politics).
@@dethkongot you! the connection is though my surname Fraher ie the lineage is to both the original IRA and also recognised as being of the Five Nations Tribes of the Native Americans ... I just glanced through Rollins and, well I am not sure does he actually 'get' liminality and liminal spaces ~ 'they' are problematic ie within which 'abuse' flourishes ... btw I have lived and worked in such spaces for like ages and still do. In this interview Rhese pushes at the liminal and liminality of ... she's pretty cool, no? For me, the thought-forms of whatever hermeneutic is capture with no release, Or What?
@@dethkonalso, and apologies for wittering on, would you check out Bojan Radej ~ I think he's onto something different ie addressing the Baby and Bathwater/Blackmail of Adorno (see Minama Moralia) although, and as Rhese hints at, is misogyny closer to root-cause of annihilatistionism (Incidentally, the two truths in the early buddhist sutta, and which manifests today as 'the middle way', was the reconciliation between the annihilatists and eel wrigglers (see The Selfless Mind by Peter Harvey~ not an easy read but worth it) My Animist pal Payson Muller (TheLastShoeMaker) advocates PanPsychism(sp) as a more natural way of 'getting' liminality and the actual space within which the liminal exists; the rosicrusions and anthroposiphists have a lot to say on this too .... sheesh, I don't know whether to thank you for the prompt or work on the amygdalian triggers of being so easily prompted; the story Black Elk tells of White Buffalo Woman comes to mind ...
Yet no mention of Julia Kristeva?
She's mentioned in the book.
If you guys want to see a spicy portrayal of Sabina Spielrein and Carl Jung’s vaguely BDSM-like affairs, as well as a clumsy attempt to portray Freud as somewhat evil and manipulative, you should watch Cronenberg’s film _A Dangerous Method._ It stars Keira Knightley as Spielrein, Jude Law as Jung, and the sex scenes are pretty damn hot 🥵🥵😯 😈
Ah haha... watched it and totally get what you're saying!