IT'S SCARY HOW GOOD THIS WAS! First Time Hearing Edgar Winters Group - Frankenstein 1973 Reaction!

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  • @athab8256
    @athab8256 Рік тому +116

    Fun fact: while playing this, Edgar also did some drywall spackling and served drinks at the commissary.

  • @ellet6560
    @ellet6560 Рік тому +10

    I don’t like being old but love that this was the music of my youth!

  • @cheripetty1805
    @cheripetty1805 Рік тому +145

    EDGAR INVENTED THE KEYTAR! TRUE STORY!

    • @gregsteele806
      @gregsteele806 Рік тому +1

      Heh, he hung a full sized keyboard around his neck by a strap! =)

    • @vicprovost2561
      @vicprovost2561 Рік тому +1

      Like a Jimi Hendrix of mobile keyboards! 🎹

    • @betsyduane3461
      @betsyduane3461 Рік тому

      He did not, it came out in 1966

    • @cheripetty1805
      @cheripetty1805 Рік тому +2

      @betsyduane3461 Well, I saw Edgar in an on camera interview claim he was 1st one to strap it on like a guitar. Was he lying?

    • @dougwhite-ty1ny
      @dougwhite-ty1ny Рік тому

      But Chang is the best Keytar player of our generation!

  • @1calvinfunny1
    @1calvinfunny1 Рік тому +63

    In the 70s they experimented with quadraphonic sound. I had a quadraphonic system in my car, back then 4 speakers front and back. Not a lot of albums or in this case 8 track tapes were in Quad, but one of them was Edger Winters, and this song killed it in Quad, the drum solo would go around the inside of the car speaker to speaker, wild indeed...

    • @tskend8502
      @tskend8502 Рік тому +4

      Me too The who- Quadraphenia!

    • @timbong1871
      @timbong1871 5 місяців тому

      I always hated the 8 track player would always shuffle this song from one track to the next right in the middle of this song.

  • @rghilino6734
    @rghilino6734 Рік тому +62

    An all time live performance. Edgar rocked hard. Rick Derringer joins him here.

    • @BarbButler
      @BarbButler 11 місяців тому +1

      💙💙💙💙💙

  • @mikeb3365
    @mikeb3365 Рік тому +65

    Edgar was proficient with almost any instrument.

    • @stevegans3517
      @stevegans3517 10 місяців тому

      still is. currently touring with Ringo Starr.

  • @gregorychilcote9631
    @gregorychilcote9631 2 місяці тому +3

    I met Edgar on a flight to Kansas City. I didn't recognize him at first and we had a great conversation about our favorite authors and such. We exchanged intros and he asked me what I was headed to. After I told him about a bysiness teaching gig I had in KC I asked him what he was doing. He replied he was opening 'for the girls' (Heart) in Topeka! That's when I realized he was Edgar Winter! We continued talking and he invited me to the concert as his guest! It was great...and he was AWESOME!

  • @cheripetty1805
    @cheripetty1805 Рік тому +47

    The Winter Bros. we're 2 Albino Boys who grew up in sunny TEXAS and tended to stay inside during the day due to their sensitivity. While the other kids were outside playing sports, Edgar & Johnny stayed in the shade and mastered several musical instruments!

    • @jgilbertify
      @jgilbertify Рік тому

      Touch'e mon Frere..................... when talent Rules!

    • @jgilbertify
      @jgilbertify Рік тому

      And Fucking Rick Derringer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @midnightrambler7716
      @midnightrambler7716 Рік тому +4

      They Only Come Out at Night! Fabulous 1972 LP this was on. I bought it when it came out when I was 12 and still love it to this day!

    • @loudog2326
      @loudog2326 Рік тому

      I was also 12, didn't have the album but knew some who did. i had the 45

    • @supobostarman
      @supobostarman Рік тому

      ...and to this day I'm so glad they stayed in!!!

  • @jonathanlocke6404
    @jonathanlocke6404 Рік тому +47

    Really one of the earliest uses of synthesizer in a big mainstream radio hit. Everything he does on the keyboard is real time manipulation; it's not like he had pre-programmed tracks or patches back then. Just moving the knobs around and stuff, heh...For an instrument that represented the cutting edge of science in music, it's still a really organic performance...

  • @shaknit
    @shaknit 6 місяців тому +6

    In the late 60's and 70's we had the music. Nothing else can compare.

  • @garybenson9339
    @garybenson9339 Місяць тому

    I did see this live in 1973 at Eastern Michigan University. They were fantastic live

  • @nikonmark37814
    @nikonmark37814 Рік тому +1

    I just saw Edgar Winters in West Virginia last month when he was part of Ringo Starr's All Star band and he played Frankenstein and it was amazing as were all the other artists too!

  • @LordEagle
    @LordEagle Рік тому +10

    This song is best when played with the volume ALL THE WAY UP,,,,💥💥💥👍😎

  • @whiskey6string
    @whiskey6string Рік тому +11

    I've heard this song a million times, but never a live version. Amazing!

  • @Pton_reaction_addict
    @Pton_reaction_addict Рік тому +4

    One of the best rock instrumentals of all time. Thanks for the review.

  • @MrBedZeppelin
    @MrBedZeppelin Рік тому +22

    Good to see you two busting out laughing! Though Edgar tends to do that to most people. Him and his brother are absolute musical geniuses!

  • @thancrow
    @thancrow Рік тому +1

    I got to see Edgar Winter in concert It was an amazing show. Yes, they did play Frankenstein.

  • @e4music
    @e4music Рік тому +45

    Yea, the live version is cool. But the studio will blow you away even more...it's a classic!

    • @Mr05Chuck
      @Mr05Chuck Рік тому

      Remember the first time I heard the vinyl on a friends huge home stereo. Allegedly there was green herbs involved.

    • @patrickparker8417
      @patrickparker8417 11 місяців тому

      The live version is crap , chalk and cheese from the studio version always bar the very rare exception avoid live versions .

  • @garygoodrich7495
    @garygoodrich7495 Рік тому +2

    off the charts talented!!!

  • @amoco14
    @amoco14 27 днів тому +1

    Love it, This song was on an 8-Track tape I was given when I was a kid. I remember that Rick Derringer was the guitarist in the band and Had written "Hang On Sloopy" in the 60"s And "Rock And Roll Hoochie Koo". But anyway, Great band and Song.

  • @keithj6251
    @keithj6251 Рік тому +2

    I believe they deserve to be called artists.

  • @beare55
    @beare55 Рік тому +6

    Music from the 60s and the 70s was awesome!! Edgar Winter & Johnny Winter, rock legends!! Edgar Winter keys and sax, Rick Derringer guitar, Dan Hartman, bass guitar & Chuck Ruff, drums!!

  • @davekinghorn9567
    @davekinghorn9567 2 місяці тому +2

    Edgar is still gigging with Rick Derringer & Ringo Starr All Stars.

  • @johnwilliams5301
    @johnwilliams5301 Рік тому +1

    It was said that he once went into a music store and told the man he wanted one of everything, then went home and mastered each one of them. Great reaction as usual guys.

  • @steveabdelkoui5663
    @steveabdelkoui5663 10 місяців тому +1

    Winter brothers were badass musicians. They can play any instruments.

  • @jimr8907
    @jimr8907 Рік тому +3

    Saw them in concert in the day, just amazing musicians

  • @CharlesWalker-sf8td
    @CharlesWalker-sf8td Рік тому +1

    It truly was mind-blowing when I saw them

  • @gkiferonhs
    @gkiferonhs Рік тому +34

    Unlike most artists, you see Edgar mess with the synthesizer settings during the song. This was pretty soon after the synthesizer became available for public use. (A fourier synthesizer had long been a piece of physics equipment and for a long time only played with by physicists)

    • @strawman6085
      @strawman6085 Рік тому +1

      You mean physicists were rocking out long before us normal folk?

    • @stevedahlberg8680
      @stevedahlberg8680 Рік тому +3

      Wow, someone who seems to understand Fourier transforms and fast for a transforms which they use nowadays a whole lot in their triple air digital processing for live vocal effects and whatnot. It's such a great early point in all of this and I'm glad you made a reference to it.

  • @jdbroders64
    @jdbroders64 Рік тому +3

    Great video and I'm so glad you reviewed this performance. Edgar Winter and his blues guitarist brother Johnny are legends. This was a tour-de-force of Edgar's genius not only as a multi-instrumentalist but as a songwriter and innovator. Well done.

  • @billn7183
    @billn7183 Рік тому +1

    I remember at one point in high school , around 73 or 74 , this and LZ's Whole lota Love were played constantly on the lunch room juke box. Good times !

  • @elza32358
    @elza32358 Рік тому +9

    Imagine being 15 years old in '73 and you hear this on the radio. My brain chemistry was forever altered...lol. 😮

    • @cesarnarro6013
      @cesarnarro6013 Рік тому +2

      Also i remember "Hocus Pocus" by Focus being on the radio around the same time. Another wild song.

    • @davidlightfoot8965
      @davidlightfoot8965 5 місяців тому

      I saw this Live on the BBC on the Old Grey Whistle Test as a 16 year old, blew my mind .

  • @KaidenOrgana
    @KaidenOrgana 3 місяці тому +3

    Ronnie Montrose, the guitar player formed his own band Montrose, with a cat named Sammy Hagar on vocals. Let that sink in.

  • @sheryldalton8965
    @sheryldalton8965 2 місяці тому

    I watched an interview with Edgar from a couple years ago, he looks great. His father & grandfather were musicians so they were exposed at an early age. He said when he & Johnny wanted to start their first neighborhood band they were surprised that nobody could play an instrument. They thought all families were like theirs. He's amazing.

  • @ausfuhrpramienjagar
    @ausfuhrpramienjagar Рік тому +2

    Yes, Edgar is the one who invented that contraption. He was a trained classical pianist for many years and when he started performing he got tired of standing in one place at the keyboard/organ and thought it would be cool to be able to walk around and play while performing on stage.. So, he strapped up a keyboard as you see, put it around his neck, and the rest is history! Btw, that's Rick Derringer on guitar with "I Can Dream About You" Dan Hartman on bass doin the awesome licks and bassline.. This song went to #1 on the charts and not a word was spoken during the whole song.. Incredimazing! 🙂

  • @elsalcombe
    @elsalcombe Рік тому +4

    This was live on BBC program called The Old Grey whistle test which at the time was the main place to see the "good bands " of the time. Edgar is playing an ARP 2600 synth and this was the first time anyone had played a keyboard in that manner

  • @Tarkus_
    @Tarkus_ Рік тому +15

    Great reaction! Fun fact: The second concert I ever saw was from this tour, with a little-known band called Bad Company opening for these guys!
    I feel like the name fits this song so well, even without the background information (which I appreciate you acknowledging). This was a pretty big hit back in the day, despite it being an instrumental. Props to the director here for keeping the instrument changes a surprise. Definitely adds to the video for first time watchers.

    • @vicprovost2561
      @vicprovost2561 Рік тому +1

      I saw that tour in New Haven CT with Bad Co opening and Foghat 2nd, Edgar had Rick Derringer and it was an amazing show. All out great classic Rock!

    • @Tarkus_
      @Tarkus_ Рік тому +1

      @@vicprovost2561 I saw them in Vegas. No Foghat, unfortunately, but Rick Derringer was there.

    • @paulstephens6761
      @paulstephens6761 Рік тому +2

      I watched the original broadcast of this on the old grey whistle test on the BBC in England in 1973 as a teenager and was wowed then, it has stood the test of time and is still awesome today 50 years later.

  • @peggykunkel9180
    @peggykunkel9180 Рік тому +1

    I loved this song when it came out and still love it today.

  • @danielmarshall3102
    @danielmarshall3102 Рік тому +2

    This song is still the biggest selling instrumental rock song of all time and the only instrumental rock song to hit # 1 on the charts. I was a teen when it came out and everyone was talking about it at the time.

  • @richardgraves958
    @richardgraves958 Рік тому

    Edger and his brother Johnny were both outstanding musicians. I had the pleasure of going to high school with them. I played a bass but they were in a different universe….

  • @badbob6689
    @badbob6689 Рік тому +2

    I was in high school when this came out. Both edger and his brother were accomplished musicians. watch how many different instruments Edger plays in this song.

  • @Mare_bear738
    @Mare_bear738 Рік тому

    I never followed this group, but I remember this song. I enjoyed it.

  • @ggvno167
    @ggvno167 Рік тому +3

    Edgar Winters did everything - I heard he was selling popcorn at intermission 😉. ITS ALIVE !!

  • @markhodge7
    @markhodge7 Рік тому +1

    Frankenstein. Truly one of a kind. Emerged from the ether.

  • @jimtatro6550
    @jimtatro6550 Рік тому

    I was a young kid when this song first came out and the moment I heard it I immediately wanted to learn how to play the drums. Shortly thereafter I did.

  • @paularnold6616
    @paularnold6616 Рік тому +1

    One of my favorite songs when I was a teen in 1973.

  • @craigreid7178
    @craigreid7178 Рік тому +1

    In the mid '90s my band opened for these guys and the did this song. Totally mind blowing. What a crazy experience.

  • @mdyng1955
    @mdyng1955 Рік тому

    I saw this live in concert at Haraa Arena in 1973! MIND WAS BLOWN!!!!!

  • @oldmanghost219
    @oldmanghost219 Рік тому +4

    I got to see them in 74. Rick Derringer opened the show. Then Johnny Winter came on. Finally Edgar Winter came on. After that the lights came on which is when the concert is over and people started to leave including the group with us that came in a different car. They missed out because the lights went back out and all 3 of them got together to do a few songs. ... other songs ... "Free Ride"..."Alta Mira" ... "We All Had A Real Good Time"

  • @SeasonedCitizen99
    @SeasonedCitizen99 Рік тому

    Good Job. Was a huge hit back in the 70s. Still great to this day!

  • @joshs4594
    @joshs4594 Рік тому +1

    I saw Edgar Winter’s White Trash live at the Hofstra University gymnasium on Long Island in 1972 as part of a triple bill with Procol Harum and Wild Turkey. Lots of Rock & Roll fun that evening. 👍

  • @stuff3829
    @stuff3829 Рік тому +1

    70's was a great decade for music

  • @MRxMADHATTER
    @MRxMADHATTER Рік тому +18

    It's actually a full sized remote keyboard for a Moog Synth. Edgar is an albino and so is his brother Johnny, The grew up in Texas and couldn't go outside to play in the hot TX sun, So they stayed inside and learned to play every instrument they could get their hands on. I suggest you check out "Tobacco Road" which features both Edgar and Johnny. This song "Frankenstien" is just a mish mash of little riffs and one-offs they had lying around. They put all these pieces together, hence the name. The little guy playing guitar is Rick Derringer who created his own band and is a star in his own right.

    • @oldmanghost219
      @oldmanghost219 Рік тому +2

      It is not full size . it is smaller then my 66 keyboard. Looks like 48 keys. My piano is of course 88 keys. I got to see all 3 of them in 74 with Rick opening the show.

    • @TheToscanaMan
      @TheToscanaMan Рік тому +1

      @@oldmanghost219 it was around then I saw Edgar and White Trash in New York I think. They did this song. What a night.

    • @slickjames2541
      @slickjames2541 Рік тому +3

      It’s not a Moog. It’s an ARP 2600 which was a semi modular synthesizer with a removable keyboard.

    • @barsandbarbells2022
      @barsandbarbells2022  Рік тому

      We've done Tobacco Road!
      ua-cam.com/video/gBTmJG2QtK0/v-deo.htmlsi=G4xQ0AZgy_uHMYpD

  • @vincentharris7854
    @vincentharris7854 Рік тому +2

    I was lucky enough to see them play it live in 1973. And yes our minds were blown. This band has a rich legacy as the bassist Dan Hartman went to score a solo hit (I Can Dream About You); guitarist Rick Derringer, formerly of the Mc Coys (Hang On Sloopy) has a hit (Rock & Roll Hoochie Coo) & replacement guitarist Ronnie Montrose, later formed the successful hard rock band "Montrose" which was fronted by Sammy Hagar, who later joined Van Halen.

  • @DaveJonesVideo
    @DaveJonesVideo Рік тому +2

    I saw them perform this live in Detroit back in the early 1970s. It was mind blowing.

  • @oldmanghost219
    @oldmanghost219 Рік тому +4

    Keith Emerson of ELP had the 1st 1968 Moog synthesizer that could travel with the band. It had the old school tech of tubes and wires that made it look like an old time phone switch board. You can see it in ..." Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Knife-Edge - 2nd version (1970)" ... this was prior to Edgar getting his keyboard.

  • @wiliamwidlacki7459
    @wiliamwidlacki7459 Рік тому

    I saw Edgar Winter live in the late 70's and this was definitely the highlight of thier show.......very cool band

  • @kathrynstafford7099
    @kathrynstafford7099 Рік тому +1

    My brother would play this so loud in the 70s. When mom and dad were not home, of course.

    • @ttrails1
      @ttrails1 3 дні тому

      For me it WAS my dad that turned it up! LOL And yes, I was a teen in the 70s. My dad played bass though.

  • @reverts3031
    @reverts3031 Рік тому

    Got a kick out of watching the expressions on your faces. Glad you enjoyed it. It's been a favorite of mine for ages!!!

  • @todvball
    @todvball Рік тому +2

    Rick Derringer on guitar...(rock n roll hootchie koo) of Dayton OH joins the band onstage.

  • @myklegue3968
    @myklegue3968 Рік тому +1

    ....and the other Winters brother Johnny is one of my favorite blues guitarists!! a very talented family!!

  • @jackempson3044
    @jackempson3044 Рік тому

    60's and 70's music are the best ever, era's. The innovation and creativity of the sixties added up to the creative and slick seventies.

  • @gwydion56
    @gwydion56 Рік тому +3

    I was so happy when I saw that this was your reaction for today! This version is amazingly entertaining, but the studio version is something you definitely need to hear. It was one of my very favorite songs from ages ago.

  • @NoLegalPlunder
    @NoLegalPlunder Рік тому

    So many songs from the 70s are stunningly good. It was the era of the long jams by very gifted musicians.

  • @filtersplz9319
    @filtersplz9319 10 місяців тому

    I saw him in concert at Penn State in 72. What a memory.

  • @johnv61
    @johnv61 Рік тому +1

    You heard him singing on Tobacco Road, amazing vocals! One of a kind talent he is

  • @arturorobles4900
    @arturorobles4900 3 місяці тому +1

    This was my 1st Rock album in 1973...great album.

  • @clasmaster1471
    @clasmaster1471 Рік тому +1

    Never has been anything like it never will be anything like it.

  • @christopherandreas461
    @christopherandreas461 Рік тому

    Glad you two ran this awesome live performance by multi-instrumentalist prodigy Edgar Winter and his group from early 1970s. .....insanely talented! Although not really featured the guitarist is equally awesome. ...Ronnie Montrose. He went on to lead his own band later in the decade. ...you have to react to three of their songs....Rock 'n Roll Hoochie Koo. ...Bad Motor Scooter. ...Rock Candy. ......you won't be disappointed. ...take it from this rocking 59 year old dude. ..was a teenager back in the 1970s....hands down best of all time music creativity, instrumental gods era ever. ...period. ..mic drop!

  • @SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
    @SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman Рік тому +4

    Hard to believe Edgar was 27 in this video & 50 yrs later wins a Grammy ✌💖☮

  • @stevenwitt1812
    @stevenwitt1812 Рік тому +1

    Recently saw Edgar Winter as part of the Ringo Starr All-Star Band in Milwaukee, and they played an absolutely killer version of Frankenstein. Really fun night, Ringo was great, as was the entire band!!

  • @josephpowell3949
    @josephpowell3949 Рік тому +1

    I remember this was such a big hit when I was a kid and we thought it was the coolest song back in the day!

  • @Guitargardens
    @Guitargardens Рік тому +1

    I saw edgar winter a couple months back and he did this song. He was touring with Ringo Starr, from the Beatles

  • @scottbaldwin7133
    @scottbaldwin7133 Рік тому +2

    he had unlimited talent

  • @kathybowles495
    @kathybowles495 Рік тому

    He was touring this year with Ringo Starr's All Star Band and Frankenstein was a highlight of the show. It was amazing.

  • @bobbrown5951
    @bobbrown5951 Рік тому

    Saw them do this live at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto back in the day. Went on for quite a while, especially with the sound effects. They opened for Ten Years After. Was really knocked out by Edgar's sax playing.

  • @SG-js2qn
    @SG-js2qn Рік тому

    That played on the radio for years and years. A true radio hit.

  • @brooksboyd1959
    @brooksboyd1959 Рік тому

    Saw the Edgar Winter Group (my first concert at age 14) in Houston in 1973.

  • @roguealien
    @roguealien Рік тому

    Rick Derringer on Lead. killing it! I heard this when I was 16. On AM radio!!!

  • @LJA46
    @LJA46 Рік тому

    Saw him live in Champaign, IL. back in 1987. So good!

  • @hungfao
    @hungfao Рік тому

    This one is better LIVE every time. It's the performance that sends this into orbit.

  • @douglaspensack3499
    @douglaspensack3499 Рік тому

    On top of it all....this was LIVE!

  • @lindasalaki9404
    @lindasalaki9404 Рік тому

    Enjoyed very much, remember this song on the radio back in the 70s . Loved it then and love it now ☮️☮️

  • @davidhackettreno
    @davidhackettreno Рік тому

    Just saw him last month as part of Ringo Starr's All Star Band outdoors at Harvey's in Lake Tahoe. Edger said he invented the Keytar to see the audience while moving around and playing on stage. He did to Frankenstein during the concert. Still going strong.

  • @pewpewpewAK47
    @pewpewpewAK47 Рік тому +1

    This song was awesome on the four-channel quadrophonic stereo back in the 70's...

  • @karlsmith2570
    @karlsmith2570 Рік тому +4

    Hey, Sam and Phil, interesting fact for you about this song:
    The origin of the title "Frankenstein" is a reference to the amount of cuts and splices the the band had done to this song during the editing process and that they'd felt like they were assembling Frankenstein's monster

  • @ivansavoie3190
    @ivansavoie3190 Рік тому

    Saw them at Maple Leaf Gardens in 1973 , ELO was the opening act, Drummer Chuck Ruff walked in saw the pieces of tape everywhere and said looks like Frankenstein, great reaction

  • @gerib4234
    @gerib4234 Рік тому +7

    I think he won an award for Blues Music?
    I enjoy watching them but the sound is much better with the studio cut. Thanks for this one! Happy Halloween 🎃👻🎃

  • @Nick60606
    @Nick60606 Рік тому

    Saw Edgar Winter in concert in the early 70's.
    I was 15, my brother took me.
    The show was Yes, Edgar Winter and Humble Pie at Dillion stadium in Hartford, Ct
    Those where the days!

  • @cloudrunner7
    @cloudrunner7 Рік тому

    Edgar is an albino white hair, white skin and red eyes. I roadied for his band @ 1983. Really cool guys. And they jam. I was a pro musician for almost 19 years and it never ceases to amaze me what an awesome musician he is.

  • @jonfazzone5125
    @jonfazzone5125 Рік тому +3

    One of the Greatest Songs I have ever Seen & Heard Edgar Winter is from another Planet. Happy Halloween 🎃 PS. The Bass Player & Guitar Player Both have Songs that hit the Top 40 and several Albums as Solo Artists

  • @rapson672
    @rapson672 Рік тому +5

    The first 8 track I bought for my first car a 68 LeMans

  • @tomdodds8091
    @tomdodds8091 2 місяці тому

    Considering how incredibly long the song is and that it's an instrumental, it got an amazing amount of air play.

  • @jeffmande4671
    @jeffmande4671 Рік тому

    Bravo! Bravo! I'm watching this again.

  • @craigtennant7637
    @craigtennant7637 Рік тому +1

    another that deserves the recorded version

  • @jamesdamiano8894
    @jamesdamiano8894 Рік тому +2

    This is from one of the all time great and classic rock LP’s of all time. Not a bad song on it, definitely should check out more.

  • @jamesrader3329
    @jamesrader3329 9 місяців тому

    First time seeing this and that was insane. Love the look on Sam's face.

  • @dopeymark
    @dopeymark Рік тому

    Kid's these days... I used to bounce around and air drum to this tune almost daily.

  • @ericanderson8886
    @ericanderson8886 Рік тому +1

    Edgar and his brother Johnny together "Tobbacco Road" Both brothers are amazing talents.

  • @randywallace6506
    @randywallace6506 Рік тому

    Just the change ups could drive you crazy.what a great time to grow up.

  • @harlanginsberg7269
    @harlanginsberg7269 Рік тому

    I saw Edgar Winter do this song less then a month ago. He is touring with Ringo's All Star Band and he is still great and when singing is still fine.