Affordable Rolex Sports Model A Future FLOP ?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Affordable Rolex Sports Model A Future FLOP ?
In today's episode of Federico Talks Watches I talk about the Rolex Explorer 214270 Mark 1. One of the most affordable Rolex sports watches. Is it a future flop? The Rolex Explorer 214270 was redesigned early on because of a pretty big flaw? Will the original Mark 1 explorer be a future classic or a future flop?
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As someone that owns the MKI 39mm I have to say I prefer it, I love the white Gold numerals without the lume. As for the short stubby hands, I looked hard at the dial when I first bought it, and frankly I didn’t really consider it that big of a deal. These days I’d completely forgotten about the short hands until watching this vid. It really isn’t that big of a deal. And if I was mad enough to sell it I could make a lot more than what I bought it for back in 2015.
This watch has been called a ‘pig’ by Bark and Jack, and now you’ve jumped on the Bandwagon. I’ve had the opportunity to swap my mk1 dial and hands for Mk 2 at service but decided against it. Because they won’t just swap the hands - it’s a job lot.
The Explorer fills my dress watch slot, and I am genuinely in love with the white gold numerals - that little touch of bling set off by the polished bezel is always a sight to behold.
The ridiculous bandwagon overreactions on the hands is getting old - and most often perpetuated by people who don’t even own one.The lume on the minute hand stops perfectly where the lume on the indices starts. Could they be a touch longer? Maybe, but to lose the white gold numerals, it’s not worth it to me.
My Mark 1 is staying with me and staying original. For those with the Mark 2, enjoy your beautiful, bolder more sporty version.
Exactly my observation. The lume of the hands stop exactly where the lume of the indexes begin. Smaller and thinner hands makes it dressier.. But it is exactly what a versitile watch should be. Both sport and dress watch rolled into one..
Wrong!!!!! Take a good look, the way the handles merge with the numbers is superb, anything but a flop, the size is not too short but perfect! The mk1 is by far superior than the new one
Literally just spent my savings on this watch. Don’t care if it goes up or down. Bought it to hand down to my son some day
I don’t even notice the hands. And I like the white gold numerals
I don't like the short hands, but I kind of prefer the non-lumed arabics.
It’s a Rolex.. it will go up in value.
Martin Mowbray I have to agree.
could the current Air King be included in this category?
I also own this watch and prefer it - just looks more classic IMO and I love the White Gold numerals. Also, whilst the hands are a bit shorter I believe this was done with purpose as they blend in with the numerals as they pass over. Rolex doesn't just 'cobble' things together, but sure they make iterative changes as they perceive when they need to based on the market and what customers are saying. Anyway, do love your vids and content and always nice for healthy debate and discussion! Not bothered about the inherent value of the watch as will never leave the collection
Looks like you were wrong. MK1 also appreciated
I love this mk1
Absurd my explorer is "short handed" 214270. The hands are completely fine and unless you are staring at the mk1 and mk2 next to each other you wouldn't notice a difference.
No, they really aren't "fine", and deep down you know it. Rolex with T-Rex hands is ridiculous.
You're completely fine with a minute hand that's so short it doesnt even reach the minute track? Ok buddy.
It looks terrible... even a budget Seiko has better designed hands that actually reach the minute track. For a watch of this price a mistake like this is unforgivable.
Now the Mk2 in 39 mm has been discontinued as of April 2021. I can make an argument for THAT watch to appreciate.
How much is the price on a new mk2 39mm that is discontinued
@@jazzyflorida3757 about 9K on the grey market.
It’s a great watch! Love the look, love that there is no date, and I purposely bought the mk 1 because of the “slightly” shorter minute hand. And btw the prices are creeping up!
I even think it is more pretty than the mark II! I understand that the hands are a bit to short, but that doesn't bother me. The fact that it's made for such a short time and the numbers are solid gold is so much more pretty than that ugly lumed numbers in my opinion!
Bas Peperkamp I agree! The gold numerals are beautiful.
I tried on this watch at the AD (CPO) and it looked elegant and nice. Did not notice the hands to be too small. That being said, the new Explorer 40 has better proportions than both 39mm versions and I added myself to the list for that one.
Absolutely Love the Mark 1. The short hands are bad ass and cool - like Mike Tyson - tough short solid. More masculine tool watch overall. The Mark 2 - symmetric and beautiful. ☺
Mark 1 is the best
How about a video about the current AirKing?
Bought the Mk2 last year. It's bloody awesome. I really like the understated styling. For an everyday watch, its the best in the Rolex collection.
Ced GT agree. Just bought one as well. Classic and simple. One of the longest running lines with the least amount of changes. Can dress it up or dress it down. Disappears on the wrist with the slim case.
It's the T-REX!
Kevin Duncan I was thinking the same 😀
Would of thought the Air King was pretty unloved too Fed. That Brellum looks awesome by the way. 👍
Futur classic, no doubt
I have the mark 1 and definitely prefer the non lume numbers, frankly the hand length has never bothered me.
Not all discontinued Rolex benefit from increased popularity or go up in value. Take the Turn-o-graph for example. The jury is also still out on the white dial Milgauss, it was discontinued a few years back but my A.D. has had TWO sitting in the display case since that time and like this Explorer mark I it is way less attractive than similar models. Even if I knew this mark I Explorer was going to go up in value my OCD would prevent me wearing it!
Maybe I am weird.. or I am bonkers.. I have the Mark 2 in my collection. After the recent Rolex price "correction", I saw a good deal on the Mark 1 and pulled the trigger. Now I have both the Marks 🤣 can't decide which one to wear 😆
I have a new 201427 and the Lume looks green, not blue. What’s up with that? Thanks, Mark
Don't know how this video passed me by... there is NOTHING wrong with the mk1. Over analysis. If you're lucky enough to have one, enjoy it!
Rarity will cause it to eventually surpass the current generation. It’s unique and different. Also it has more gold. (3 6 9) and not the first Rolex to have short hands. Look at past Rolex models.
Agreed 100!....i was so happy to see the improvements of the Mark 2 that I picked one up on the used market.
I’ve noticed also that the Mark 2 has a polished inner clasp on the bracelet and the Mark 1 is media blasted
I don’t agree. I don’t think it looks that bad with the smaller hands. However I do agree that because of the short run this watch will be sought out by collectors in the future.
In my opinion, no Rolex will ever be a flop. If its weird or ugly it will be collectable just because its weird or ugly and no one bought it. In a decade or so people will be saying "Hey look, I have a stumpy Explorer, its ugly but it's different and relatively rare."
Great Video Fed, keep it up!
Very well said Ben, I agree with your assessment completly.
They should have kept it at 36mm.
I actually prefer the Mark 1 over the Mark 2 because the 3,6, and 9 are solid instead of filled with lume, which I personally like. I think for that reason I can see it becoming collectible. The hands are stupid though. I wish they would make a mark 3 with the Mark 1’s dial and longer hands
Medium Rare 39mm Blackout, they’ll call it :)
Federico is criticizing m1 because his competitor got one. It’s quite juvenile.
Fed I enjoy your videos but I do think you are way off base with your hate for the 214270 Mk 1. It may not be a future collectible piece but it is far from being an ugly duckling. While the hands are short they are not ridiculously so. Also my 2016 model has Chroma light blue lume and not green Super Lumenova. Also the Mk 1 has more white gold than the new Mk 2 as the 3, 6 and 9 are solid white gold and as a result is much dressier than the Mk 2. Only time will tell if they shoot up it value, and I hope that they do. But regardless, I love my Explorer and it’s going to be in my collection for a very long time.
I have this and I much prefer the full gold numerals and going by the comments most people do. Like with any Rolex made in ‘small’ quantities I think they will become more desirable and increase in value over time.
I’m wondering also if the value would increase if you had an AD change the hands in the mark 1 to the long hands?...then in my opinion you would have the best of both worlds🤔
I really think the gold numerals look cool, even though I have the newer version. Wondering if the short hands can be changed out in the earlier version?
Mark Mathosian no Mark, it’s a full dial swap as well. Rolex will not just do the hands
Fede, the 39mm AK Also has blue lume, not green
Mark 2 is too much flashy, I prefer mark1
Why didn't anyone ever complain about the hands being too short on the Explorer II 16570 / 16550?
I had the choice of picking between mk1 and mk2 ......Hmmm....White gold arabics or lum arabics.....Frankly, it wasn't much of a choice....I LOVE my T-rex......LOL
I genuinely wish I could get a 36mm with the all gold, no-lume arabic numbers.
I love my MK II. Actually I love all my Rolex watches. I don't care if they go up in value or not.
Explorer's in all their versions are a safe if a rather boring watch and I can't see them appreciating or depreciating significantly. I recently acquired the 40 mm Explorer having initially been drawn to the new 40mm Air-king which is a more likely candidate to gain in value (or not?) as it seems a very polarising watch that people either love or hate. Think I love it but after a lifetime of wrong decisions, I went for an Explorer.
Mark 1 all the way
I think it’s gonna go up, because Rolex is pushing the luxury envelope. New Explorers will be over $10k in the future, making the old stumpy version just because it says Rolex on the dial.
I just bought a mk2, it’s just perfection. They needed the mk1 almost like a test mule too see what buyers actually wanted, then made those changes for the mk2
Before I would answer the question about this Rolex, I would ask a question of yours first. Have other watches that were discontinued because of mistakes shot up in value? I don't know much about watches, but the hands of the watch didn't look all that small to me.
I think it will go up.. just due to rarity.. they will more of the mark 2s ... so they will be more common
I like the Mk2 more so i purchased that one
Decent chance the mark 2 gets updated with a new movement in the next 2 years and will have an equally short run but with better design. Thoughts?
You’re wrong about the lume, both have blue superluminova.
Don't think it's superluminova but chromalight which isn't as good or long lasting.
Chromalight
It will probably go up in value, because it's ugly, expensive and has obsolete movement and lume.
Mk2 will be more collectible than the Mk2 why? Cause it’s nicer. Getting either is almost equally hard to get in AD’s which means rarity is roughly the same for now (unless they release a bunch of mk2 suddenly). Besides how much of a mark up are people expecting even if it becomes a collectible? 2-4K in 15-20 years? Even if it’s more than a few thousand by that time you would be wearing a watch you might not prefer for the next decade hoping you can get a few thousands from initial purchase. It’s not a Daytona or a Sub.
Short hands, short ties, short..... shorts?
No steel Rolex will flop. Not anymore. ESPECIALLY a short production model. No matter how ugly it is. Rolex successfully made their steel lineup exclusive.
It’s quite a difficult one as Rolex history would point to the fact that it should go up.
nice watch.
Always talking about watches as investments. To by far most of us they are not. By the way, how can anybody call milgauss ’a sports watch’?
One should never buy a watch or anything else for investment purposes only. You should acquire the item because you love it. If it gains or holds its value over time all the better but that should not be the paramount acquiring reason.
Hello, I don't know what to say. I just bought a MARK 1 early this morning after much consideration. As a novice Rolex appreciater I felt it's the way to go. How much lume do you really need, and really can you have to much gold? I'm glad the hands are on the smaller side, almost dainty, I can say "she's" a beauty and know that she is a she. If you know what I mean. But seriously, Mark my words, this is the 1.
Hey Fed, how about the current un-loved Air-King with the green and gold Rolex logo. Do you consider it to be a future flop or a future collectable?
I think in the future it will do well.
Federico Talks Watches I think the next version of AK will replace the 3, 6, 9, with 15, 30, 45, and everyone will suddenly love it like they love the Mk2 versus Mk1 - ie current AK will end up like Mk1 Explorer - a mistake model (not sure if that’s bad or good thing).
Weird inconsistencies and limited production runs are the hallmarks of a Rolex collectible. I imagine a lot of sellers are quietly snapping them up from remorseful buyers to sit on them for ~5 years when the press does retrospectives on it
Air king baby!
mk1 best Because of thickness
Hey fed! Could you suggest which version of the jlc Reverso would fit well for larger wrists? Considering there are many versions of the Reverso I’m just confused about which one to pick up!
Rolex Wall Clock - not fixed yet! How hard can it be? :)
Those hands are, indeed, too short. Otherwise, it’s a well made, fairly nice-looking piece (somewhat similar in appearance to a Seiko 5) from a brand that mass produces decent, but not horologically significant, watches. However, that brand is Rolex, so there will always be people out there who are willing to over-pay for it. It won’t flop until the Rolex hype dies away.
I was buying an explorer in HK and had bought the short hand version... I took it back a couple hours later and exchanged it for the updated version. The hands drove me nuts
It would be great to see a side by side of the two :)
Meh, it's a Rolex the following is vast. Flops are rare for Rollie. It will be a collectible. Best in the market in product management. Time will tell.
I see what you did there
Hi Fed, your thoughts on the 2018 vs 2019 GMT pepsi bezel? The color of the 2018 bezel is lighter, looks not as good as the the current one, but rare, will it shoot up in value?
You're spot on. The white gold blobs for numerals are barely discernible against the black dial and kill the whole 3 6 9 legend of the watch. The new one, MK 2, is perfect. Buy for an investment? It's like buying swamp land.
how bout mk 1 aka explorer t- rex.....haha!!
Milguass is skyrocketing because you specifically made a video saying it was going to increase in value. Channels underestimate how volatile they can make things for the market.
Price Goosby don’t think you tubers have that effect, 99% of the collectors have other thinks to do
Oh, it's going to be collectible in the future.
They should nickname the short arm Rolex 'The Dinklage"
HAHAHAHAHA
@@FedericoTalksWatches You know I'm here for you Fed! Let me know if you need any humor writing done. :)
Or the Federico?
I am voting for future flop.
Buy a Mark 1 and go by who remodeled my kitchen said,dont worry youll forget the flaws are there after a couple of weeks lol.
Who the hell would hate an Explorer. I would still consider picking one of these up If I was in the market for one.
Sportysport despite loving Rolex I hate the explorer 1s. The font, the lack of a 12, and it’s blandness ruin it for me
Did he just say 'Breitlim' or was it '"Breitling"? Anyone else heard the same thing or was it just me?
NVM, finally got it; it was Brellum
the affordable rolex is a grand seiko, surpasses rolex in many ways aside from marketing budget
Meh, they certainly make a good watch. They just dont tickle my fancy.
Grand Seiko doesn’t make a decent looking sports watch... nor would I say that their movements have proved themselves in the way Rolex movements have.
Grand Seiko is more comparable to JLC in product niche and target audience.
To me Grand Seiko's all have the same look and are huge
Sean M. if they are comparable to JLC then they are wayyy over Rolex mechanically speaking. Rolex bought JLC mouvement for a long time. I mean they are called the watchmaker of watchmakers for a reason... let’s be real here, between an explorer one 36mm ( which I love a lot and I would buy ) from 1992 and a spring drive brand new, there is no reason to hesitate if it’s not because of your taste or marketing.
Ton Pac I said they were comparable to JLC in mission and niche. They are no where near JLC in heritage and respect.
Also, JLC and Rolex aren’t in the same stratosphere either and serve different purposes. Rolex is the king of mass produced timepieces. Omega is more comparable (and possibly winning with their new movements). JLC, in their higher end pieces, are at the top of the horological world. Grand Seiko (nor Rolex) can remotely compare to that. GS doesn’t make highly complicated movements/timepieces.
When I compared GS to JLC, I was only talking about JLC entry level pieces. Where the finish is good on the movement, but not superbly detailed like their higher end pieces.
Looks like a Seiko 5...
Or does the seiko 5 look like an explorer?
@@FedericoTalksWatches True, it devalues the watch for me. It does not have the Rolex look that I like. Probably does not make much sense.
Never bet against Rolex. Cmon that’s rule 1.
Rolex bubble burst more
Likely a plateau as the
Public gradually acknowledges
The new kid on the block: Omega
This will definitely become a popular classic and join the likes of the Batman, Hulk and Pepsi with it's own moniker with those hands, the Donald Trump! 😂😂😂
it's Horrible
Give me a Grand Seiko in looks and quality instead.
They leave me totally cold, but they do make decent watches.
I wouldn't buy it and given to me for free, I'd sell it...immediately!
I think it depends on whether enough of them were made. If there are a lot of MK1s out there, there will be people that buy them because they are quirky but not enough for them to be expensive and coveted. On the other hand, if Rolex made few of them, those people who want a quirky watch will still want one, but supply will be limited, so prices will go up. I think it's the first.
It doesn’t seem like it is that rare for a Rolex. And they were available during a time where you could just walk into a Rolex AD and buy it out of the case. Not like now. If it becomes collectible it won’t happen for many, many years.
👍🇨🇦
You didn't I'D what watch your wearing!
yes i did :)
@@FedericoTalksWatches I must have missed it
That watch with service hands would be fine. With Trump Hands, it's a JOKE. Either way, not a future value play, at all.
That watch is horrible
Unlike the Tudor Black Bay Black Rose (ETA version BB) which also had a short production run, not much of an argument can be made that is a better-looking version or has more sought after features than the Explorer 1, Mark II.
I agree! It's one of those "almost perfect" watches. But those hands!!!
I agree with you.
So Federico, I recently saw a video on Watchfinder & Co channel about a Rolex Air King with a fault. The numeral "3" had inadvertently been replaced with a "9". Do you think that watch would gain value due to the fault, or lose value? Here's a link to video if you're interested. ua-cam.com/video/mDyFyynEe4U/v-deo.html