@@lethalsoldier8082 i know, but i really wish she got a chance to recover and live a healthy family life where she was supported emotionally, or maybe if she never had to go through that in the first place
@@ailish7649 i think she needed to confront abby in order to be able to eat and sleep better again. She may not be 100 percent recovered but i would bet she has much more inner peace after letting abby go.
what many people don't understand is that ellie didn't leave because of tommy.. she did it for herself. she searched for a way to find peace. if you guys have read her journal you would know that her ptsd had become even harder, she didn't eat and sleep, couldn't get abby out of her head and saw joel literally everywhere
@@pinklion8882 but that’s what exactly ellie did when she wanted to kill abby when joel just died. Tommy was being rational and saying “what if we get hit by hunters again?” and stuff about how they cant leave jackson bc the town will be vulnerable. The thing u guys don’t get is Tommy didn’t guilt trip her. Tommy does think about her feelings. He’s just as miserable as her. The only difference is Tommy wouldn’t ask Ellie to leave, ever. the moment Joel died it was Ellie who was keen on killing Abby. Ellie still wanted that but she already have a family. If Tommy is strong enough, isn’t limping, and he can physically go he wouldn’t go tell Ellie to finish the Job. he is perfectly capable back on seattle and he will certainly do it himself if he had the chance.
@@pinklion8882 What Tommy did wasn’t right but when it comes to Ellie I don’t exactly think she felt guilt tripped. I think Tommy was actually an „excuse“ for her to finally leave and get to Abby. She probably has thought about it for a long time but Tommy being pushy about getting Abby probably pushed Ellie to take the step
When Ellie told Joel that she doesn't need his help at the dance, that was literally one of the last times they spoke and it rectify's the sadness and guilt Ellie mustve felt, and it really emphasises her mission to hunt them all down
@@jekavactv probably all the more reason why she was pissed off, but she knew that killing Abby would never mend her relationship with Joel, so I can see why she spared her. I'd like to see a DLC however where she goes after Abby again after what Tommy told her in the outro cutscene
@@Zygonne no ai really think we've had enough of Ellie seeking revenge on Abby Injust wanna have a reconciliation with Dina and that's all for me it needs to stop enough is enough. The hate is destroying everything around those who hold a deep hate toward something or someone. I don't even know if I can handle it to keep going on and on like that. It's gotta be the game with the less ludonarative dissonance actually. Like the violence in this world has a heavy weight and it not gratifying in any way shape or fun. The PTSD Ellie goes through makes me feel just so bad.
That’s why in the end she spares Abby, to prove that if she could forgive her then she would have ultimately forgiven Joel. This is why the moment is intercut with flashes of a scene we later see, the last conversation they ever shared together, where Ellie tells Joel that she doesn’t know if she can ever forgive him but would like to try. In their final confrontation, Abby is a proxy for Joel
i don’t think she is over it, though. she isn’t happy in that segment of the game and tommy is just a catalyst. i think she needed to go in order to get that sense of closure, even though she didn’t do what she set out to do, she needed to confront the thing that was giving her nightmares and wouldnt let her sleep, wouldn’t let her eat. i’m not sure she would have ever moved on from it had she not gone.
She is definitely not over it, her hate boiled down to a very base form, fear, she still suffers from ptsd and needs a way to cope and let go. Thank god she could at least do that.
Jekavac TV thank god i am not alone. I could sob at the idea that they don’t get back together. They love each other and they would be an awesome family with lil JJ. Maybe in a DLC? But i needs ND to show they reunite
I really thought Ellie would sacrifice herself to the fireflies after Joel was the one who prevented the cure. She lost her love, and passion for the guitar since she can't play anymore
It made me feel sonkuch more sorry for what Ellienwent through. I felt shebwas broken inside since the end of the 2nd day and the 3rd day got everything worst she wasn't purposefully wanting to kill people but it happened they crossed road with Owen and Mel she had guild about killing Mel after ward. Like they didn't fully deserved to to dienbut they've crossed road at a bad timing and didn't cooperate with Ellie and it happened. When Ellie nearly died and Dina too I've had enough of violence at that point and felt sorry for all of them. Loved Dina I'm glad she had thebchance to survive as without Lev Abby would have killed everyone man. Those are broken people in a broken world too.
on the part where tommy starts to describe abby you can really see how shaken up ellie is, her eyes totally change, you can tell her breathing starts acting up and even the way she’s sitting changes. its really the details that make everything so enjoyable and just keep u on edge the whole time
Really felt it when she said she doesn't need his help, the look on Joel's face said it all, like it burnt a hole inside him, all he wanted to be was a father figure too her
The part were you are sitting on the tractor I honestly thought that was the end and I sat there for longer waiting for the credits until I realized that the games was not over
6:38 This is even more depressing when you realize now Ellie can’t teach him the Guitar. Her 2 missing fingers means she cant do crap unless she can invent prosthetic fingers.
She could play pluck guitar, she can use power chords, she can go left handed. if that homeless guy in that Jamie Foxx movie can play violin on two strings, and if she's ever emotionally healthy enough to want to play guitar again, I'm sure she can figure it out with three fingers.
I don't care what anyone says. This game was a masterpiece. This scene was my personal favorite part of the story because they are literally living their dreams. Even if its short lived its beautiful to see. Especially in the world they live in full of monsters. Thanks to the uploader for saving me like 15 hours of game play to see it again : )
AlexDeGhost This game was absolutely incredible. Just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean it was bad. It means you don’t have good taste. Which is fine, have fun liking the garbage you like. But maybe leave other people who actually care about Quality alone. Because no one cares about your opinion, it doesn’t matter.
JD 436 Nawwwwwww he really didn’t though. No matter what you think the game had incredible highs and lows. Dramatic twists and turns. And aspects that are clearly out of your grasp like the effects of PTSD brought on by the traumatic events required for survival. Just because you can’t get past Joel lives up to the age old “In this line of work, your first mistake will be your last” doesn’t mean that anything you think is correct, or matters. I’ll buy the next game and I’m sure I’ll love it as much as the first two. And I KNOW that I’m not the only one. The series is doing just fine, it doesn’t need your worthless approval.
J LOCC Dude, the “real reviews” mean nothing. I don’t need reviews, I play games myself and form my own opinions. And also I’m just wondering If the game is so bad then why are you playing it a SECOND time???? Clearly it’s good enough that you can’t stop playing it. Which means YOU don’t even agree with YOUR own negative review. So how about you stop hating or stop playing before you try to waste someone else’s time on the Internet with your flip flopping “argument”
Poor tommy. The fact that he can’t go avenge his brother is sad enough that he has to resort to asking Ellie to do it. And then he gets pissed. I’m glad he survived, one of my favorite characters, but he came back with scars
The thing is, he seemed to accept, in the theatre with Jessie and Ellie, the fact that Abby was going to get to live, in the interest of getting everyone back home alive. So it seems out-of-character for him to be like, “Oh, you gotta go kill them now, Ellie.” If he was still gung ho on Abby dying, why didn’t he go out with Jessie and Ellie while they were all still in Seattle and they knew Abby was near? Because Abby crippled him, that changed his mind? He knew the risks when he set out from Jackson, on his own.
@@douglasrau5094 I mean a crippled leg and a blinded eye are ones of the worst things that can happen to a person. Tommy raged that his brother died but was about to let the rage go but with a crippled leg and a blinded eye, his rage manifested again.
@@douglasrau5094 because he couldn’t move on from it, even after trying. Both Ellie and Tommy were being eaten alive by guilt Tommy is using Abby to excuse his role in Joel’s death and has to convince himself that killing Abby is the only recourse
Tommy's so goddamn frustrating. He's the reason I hated this sequence so much. He was literally begging Ellie not to go avenge Joel the first time, when his death mattered the most. But only after shit hits the fan, after he's crippled, he decides to get vengeance. Why? What's his motivation? It wasn't Joel, cuz he was reluctant to go the first time. The issue should've been done and dusted. Then he gives Ellie shit for not going when she now has the MOST reason not to go.
Bro betrayed his wife’s wishes, left on his own, got 3 of his own town’s children basically to follow him recklessly, comes back home with only 2 of them (has to confront jesses parents who are undoubtedly angry and depressed), hets a bullet shot near his brain, loses an eye, is permanently disabled, his wife basically separated from Him due to this event
Spoilers! It’s tragic that even this idilic life couldn’t heal Ellie’s trauma. And I like that murderous revenge wasn’t the answer either. Seeing humanity in your enemy and being able to forgive may do a lot more than revenge (in certain situations). I really hope Dina will reappear in TLoUS 3 and take Ellie back. They are so cute together with JJ. But I understand why Dina left. There’s only so much you can do to stop your loved one from self-destruction and at some point you must leave to avoid destructing yourself too. ❤
This is how you get "revenge", not by seeking bloodshed, but by living the best life you possibly can. And letting your trauma define the rest of your life. Joel wouldnt of wanted Ellie to ruin her life, to become a PTSD riddled mess. He'd want her to be happy, and if she'd stayed on the farm, she would have been. God its so tragic, and well written.
I'm sorry but I would have felt 1000 times better if I killed the murderer of someone I cared deeply for. It would be the only way for me to TRY to move on with life. Not killing would make me be haunted for life - always beating myself up for never pursuing killing the murderer. I knew Joel would have pursued Abby if Abby had killed Ellie. I would want to match and prove his devotion if I was Ellie.
maybe they had been around since the outbreak, just kinda chilling. since the place is so quiet and isolated, there probably weren't a lot of infected there to bother them. im also pretty sure the area is close to jackson, so maybe there were people coming around and maintaining the place before ellie & dina moved in
It's so terrible but I can't even blame Ellie for leaving. Remember how Abby's own life and relationships were fucked up by her trauma? She hated the person she became. Ellie had to actually *see* the traumatic events happen as they did -- she'd be stuck there forever with no closure, and as long as she doesn't eat or sleep, she can't really be healthy.
I was annoyed seeing her in the ads because I didn't know or care about her and I couldn't believe I would care about any new characters. I was a fool, how did I not know they could get me after I cried over Sarah's death?
Ellie witnessed so many horrors in her life but nothing compares to Joel's murder aka the only father figure she ever knew...It's very disturbing to see this depth in a game.
I feel that Ellie used Dina to fill a hole in her heart left by Joel, but the memories attacked her so much that she sort of realized this settled down life isn’t going to help her.
Damn Ellie's arms aren't tired she's been hauling JJ around all over the farm 😂 this game is so dope. Like you carry a baby while playing. I was just hoping no infected would pop up while she has JJ
Seriously tho, surely watching Joel being brutally murdered was a huge trauma for Ellie, but if u consider all shes been through that alone wouldnt be the only reason for her PTSD. Her thought of dying for the cure being her only way to give meaning to her life also portrait that her problems are were just Abby. Ellie has been through way too much and killing Abby definitely wouldnt fix anything, but to think that she chose that and left Dina to later spare Abby and come back to an empty farm is yet more aggravating. It could take a long time for a p3, if even will there be one, and the fact that this might be how we say goodbye to Ellie it was surely a pitiful way to end. Well, cant say im surprised considering how Joel journey ended. In truth, the whole farm experience, tho wholesome, still felt like some sort of utopia from their harsh reality but still would have left a sweeter impression on Ellies future.
dude them being a little happy family on the farm and the way ellie interacts with JJ makes me sob. i hope theres a new game and ellie sees Dina and JJ again and they get to be a happy family again. seeing Ellie tell jokes to JJ and teaching him guitar would be so cute.
@@leoornstein8739 I was under the impression that at the time they set out from Jackson, she wasn’t aware she was pregnant. That it wasn’t until they were already on their way before she realized she was late and she started having morning sickness. Depending on where in Wyoming Jackson actually is, the trip from there to Seattle, Washington could take awhile. Actually, how did they even know the Wolves were in Seattle? The only clue they had to go on was “Washington Liberation Force”but Washington is a decent sized state.
I never played this game and I loved the first one. Seeing this scenes make my heart break down, funny thing is I'm not even that emotional. They did a great job in some parts of this game.
I know people like to shit on JJ since he’s “pointless” or whatever, but honestly I think it’s cathartic and wholesome to see Ellie as a mom/step-mom after everything that happened. It would’ve been nice if they ended the game here to show she’s still struggling but healing.
at first i didn't really like Dina, but as the story goes on and they made a family and live in a place where everything is safe and normal. But Ellie leaving to avenge Joel's death?..The only thing I'm expecting in part 3 is for her to go back to Dina :,(
I hate that Tommy just comes to the farm, basically tells Ellie that if she doesn’t kill Abby then Joel’s death would have meant nothing and completely destroys Ellie’s happiness…like dude…I know he’s your brother but let your niece have her happy ending man!
@@jekavactv i legit can't believe what they thought when writing the story. I played the first game couple months ago but i cannot imagine the feelings of those people who played this game years ago waited so long for this game to come out to finally play Joel Ellie again just so joel can die in the first 2 hours playing fucking the murderer of him for 12+hours and ellie losing everything at the end and not getting her revenge and Abby gets the happy ending like wtf😄😆🤣🤣🤣
Sorry for the long text hahahahaha just finished the game yesterday and was so disappointed got this game as a birthday present never read or saw a spoiler/leak about the game i legit people who hated this game were overreacting but i finally understand hahahahahahaj
I don't really feel Dina had the right to say that they where done with it when she wasn't as close to Joel as Ellie and Tommy were she didn't go through what they did (as bad)
@@lethalsoldier8082 it was totally her place to say that, ellie got her, jesse and everyone around her into her personal problem so they are as much as her concerned in my opinion
@@julieseignolles5149 that is the biggest lie i ever heard. It was completely dinas choice not ellies. Ellie even said u dont have to do this i dont want u to feel like u have to but dina wanted to anyways. Ellie never asked her to come. Same with jesse. Ellie never told jesse for a reason but apparently his friends problems are his problems so that was his choice not ellies. Dina didnt know joel like that and tommy brutally lost his brother so no it was not her place to say at all.
to be honest, i think ellie and tommy killing abby's friends was kinda enough to make abby suffered and ellie should have stay with dina and raised baby together
@LitzyDoe Hey! She ended up leaving because of PTSD from Joel being killed by Abby. She also left because she went to Jackson to find her parents and live with them
The game's story is so bad but I have to admit the PTSD scene is brilliant. TBH this game shows brilliant ideas at times and I wish the whole game lived up to it.
The story is good in my opinion. I understand that some people just don’t like it, but for most people that are hatefully trashing the game, it just wasn’t what they wanted it to be and they can’t accept it.
Matt Wells eh I just don’t like how they executed it. Like she killed a lot of ppl just to get her revenge. But I also get how she forgave Abby since she was doing the same thing. Get what I mean? It kinda contradicts itself. Tho I agree ppl are mostly just hating cause Joel died.
@@Wow30035 She didn't forgive Abby, she'll never forgive Abby. It goes beyond that. Ellie hates Abby with every fiber of her being and can't forgive what she did to Joel. She also couldn't forgive Joel for the longest time for what he did at the end of the first game. But the one person Ellie hates more than anyone else, the one person she cannot forgive more than anyone else, is herself. For a lot of things: Her immunity and the pain and suffering it has caused (Tess, Sam, Henry, Riley, the Fireflies, etc.), the people she slaughtered and tortured (Nora, Mel, and Owen in particular) just to get to Abby and exact revenge, which made her into someone she was not and made her just as bad as Abby was, and most of all, how she treated Joel after she found the truth. This entire time, it wasn't revenge she was seeking, it was forgiveness. Forgiving herself for how coldly she treated him, even if he deserved it, because she *loved* him. Joel was her father. And their relationship was in shambles up until the end where they were finally starting to pick up the pieces. But by then it was too late. She never even got the chance to say "I'm sorry." Or "I love you." Or tell him how much he meant to her. Now she'll never get the chance. Killing Abby wasn't going to change anything. It wasn't going to bring Joel back or cure her PTSD or give her that chance to reconcile that she wasted all those years. All she would have done was take Abby away from Lev, just like how Abby took Joel away from her, continuing the never-ending cycle of revenge and poisonous hatred. Who's to say that if Ellie finished the job and Lev somehow made it out of there, he wouldn't have set out to avenge Abby and kill Ellie? Like... When does it end? It just wasn't worth it anymore. She was done. She realized it. And she just wanted to put Joel's death behind her and move on with the new meaning in her life, the thing that she could "keep fighting for" like Joel said at the end of the first game: Dina and JJ. That's why she let Abby go.
PAOerful One yea true but I mean she could’ve stayed with Dina if she wasn’t going to kill her. But hopefully the 3rd game makes more sense. Like I get she didn’t want to kill her but if she didn’t even wanna go find her in the 1st place they should’ve just made tommy kill her or send someone else.
After all the dogs Ellie kills in Seattle, no wonder she doesn't have a dog on the farm. Plus, it is easier for Dina to move in with Jessie's folks if she doesn't have a pet. 😔
hey didn’t y’all love it when Ellie stayed with Dina on the farm, they raised JJ together, and lived long happy lives where nothing went wrong ever
She had ptsd
@@lethalsoldier8082 i know, but i really wish she got a chance to recover and live a healthy family life where she was supported emotionally, or maybe if she never had to go through that in the first place
@@ailish7649 i think she needed to confront abby in order to be able to eat and sleep better again. She may not be 100 percent recovered but i would bet she has much more inner peace after letting abby go.
@@lethalsoldier8082 absolutely. i just wish she never had to go through any of that
@@ailish7649 same. Wish she had a better ending
what many people don't understand is that ellie didn't leave because of tommy.. she did it for herself. she searched for a way to find peace. if you guys have read her journal you would know that her ptsd had become even harder, she didn't eat and sleep, couldn't get abby out of her head and saw joel literally everywhere
Yeah, but at the same time she wouldnt have left if tommy didnt tell her where Abby was. Tommy didnt think about her or her feeling and new life
@@pinklion8882 but that’s what exactly ellie did when she wanted to kill abby when joel just died. Tommy was being rational and saying “what if we get hit by hunters again?” and stuff about how they cant leave jackson bc the town will be vulnerable. The thing u guys don’t get is Tommy didn’t guilt trip her. Tommy does think about her feelings. He’s just as miserable as her. The only difference is Tommy wouldn’t ask Ellie to leave, ever. the moment Joel died it was Ellie who was keen on killing Abby. Ellie still wanted that but she already have a family. If Tommy is strong enough, isn’t limping, and he can physically go he wouldn’t go tell Ellie to finish the Job. he is perfectly capable back on seattle and he will certainly do it himself if he had the chance.
So she's just selfish and stopped caring about Joel? Lol. Good job destroying the whole scene woman. No one's gonna accept your wrong theory
Someone finally said it
@@pinklion8882 What Tommy did wasn’t right but when it comes to Ellie I don’t exactly think she felt guilt tripped. I think Tommy was actually an „excuse“ for her to finally leave and get to Abby. She probably has thought about it for a long time but Tommy being pushy about getting Abby probably pushed Ellie to take the step
When Ellie told Joel that she doesn't need his help at the dance, that was literally one of the last times they spoke and it rectify's the sadness and guilt Ellie mustve felt, and it really emphasises her mission to hunt them all down
@@jekavactv probably all the more reason why she was pissed off, but she knew that killing Abby would never mend her relationship with Joel, so I can see why she spared her. I'd like to see a DLC however where she goes after Abby again after what Tommy told her in the outro cutscene
@@Zygonne even though this feels like the end of the game, it's not.
@@Zygonne no ai really think we've had enough of Ellie seeking revenge on Abby Injust wanna have a reconciliation with Dina and that's all for me it needs to stop enough is enough. The hate is destroying everything around those who hold a deep hate toward something or someone.
I don't even know if I can handle it to keep going on and on like that.
It's gotta be the game with the less ludonarative dissonance actually. Like the violence in this world has a heavy weight and it not gratifying in any way shape or fun. The PTSD Ellie goes through makes me feel just so bad.
That’s why in the end she spares Abby, to prove that if she could forgive her then she would have ultimately forgiven Joel. This is why the moment is intercut with flashes of a scene we later see, the last conversation they ever shared together, where Ellie tells Joel that she doesn’t know if she can ever forgive him but would like to try.
In their final confrontation, Abby is a proxy for Joel
its sad that the last words she ever said to him was, Joel fucking get up
When you look closely, you can see Ellie doesn’t even want Tommy to ask her to go. She’s over it.
Jekavac TV it’s hard to watch for sure. I love Ellie and Dina‘s dynamic
i don’t think she is over it, though. she isn’t happy in that segment of the game and tommy is just a catalyst. i think she needed to go in order to get that sense of closure, even though she didn’t do what she set out to do, she needed to confront the thing that was giving her nightmares and wouldnt let her sleep, wouldn’t let her eat. i’m not sure she would have ever moved on from it had she not gone.
same I honestly think she went for tommy she just wanted to do right by him after what abby did to him poor guy it must be terrible loosing an eye
She is definitely not over it, her hate boiled down to a very base form, fear, she still suffers from ptsd and needs a way to cope and let go. Thank god she could at least do that.
Fr. she suffers from ptsd
I really hope Dina went back to Jackson and then Ellie goes to find her. They are meant to be. Anyone else want that?
Jekavac TV thank god i am not alone. I could sob at the idea that they don’t get back together. They love each other and they would be an awesome family with lil JJ. Maybe in a DLC? But i needs ND to show they reunite
I really thought Ellie would sacrifice herself to the fireflies after Joel was the one who prevented the cure. She lost her love, and passion for the guitar since she can't play anymore
I for sure do , it would make sense to raise a child over there and jj growing up with other kids
Definitely
Hopefully they do a dlc I want them to be happy
That PTSD part was the best scene in the whole entire game hands down!
It made me feel sonkuch more sorry for what Ellienwent through. I felt shebwas broken inside since the end of the 2nd day and the 3rd day got everything worst she wasn't purposefully wanting to kill people but it happened they crossed road with Owen and Mel she had guild about killing Mel after ward. Like they didn't fully deserved to to dienbut they've crossed road at a bad timing and didn't cooperate with Ellie and it happened. When Ellie nearly died and Dina too I've had enough of violence at that point and felt sorry for all of them. Loved Dina I'm glad she had thebchance to survive as without Lev Abby would have killed everyone man.
Those are broken people in a broken world too.
It’s so heartbreaking.
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Nah Ellie singing take on me and Joel singing future days
No the flashbacks were the best part
JJ stands for “Jesse Joel”
U mean Ksi
@@henrymorales619 😂
@@henrymorales619 jide olatunju🤣
So I am right
on the part where tommy starts to describe abby you can really see how shaken up ellie is, her eyes totally change, you can tell her breathing starts acting up and even the way she’s sitting changes. its really the details that make everything so enjoyable and just keep u on edge the whole time
Really felt it when she said she doesn't need his help, the look on Joel's face said it all, like it burnt a hole inside him, all he wanted to be was a father figure too her
Well that’s apart of growing up ig. When you don’t really need your parents anymore. Still sad tho
@@Wow30035 yeah been there with my dad but he knows his place 🤣
The part were you are sitting on the tractor I honestly thought that was the end and I sat there for longer waiting for the credits until I realized that the games was not over
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Dina humming Take on me is such a nice little detail
Wait that happens?
Time stamp?
@@pistoncupallstarracing9480 around 1:15. I didn't notice it either until just now lol
@@richards31415 omg I never realized that. Sweet
6:38
This is even more depressing when you realize now Ellie can’t teach him the Guitar. Her 2 missing fingers means she cant do crap unless she can invent prosthetic fingers.
she could play left handed! flip the guitar around or find a left handed guitar somewhere
She could play pluck guitar, she can use power chords, she can go left handed. if that homeless guy in that Jamie Foxx movie can play violin on two strings, and if she's ever emotionally healthy enough to want to play guitar again, I'm sure she can figure it out with three fingers.
I know Dina went back to Jackson I just hope Ellie did too
I don't care what anyone says. This game was a masterpiece. This scene was my personal favorite part of the story because they are literally living their dreams. Even if its short lived its beautiful to see. Especially in the world they live in full of monsters. Thanks to the uploader for saving me like 15 hours of game play to see it again : )
This game was a piece of shit but there were so really good scenes.
AlexDeGhost This game was absolutely incredible. Just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean it was bad. It means you don’t have good taste. Which is fine, have fun liking the garbage you like. But maybe leave other people who actually care about Quality alone. Because no one cares about your opinion, it doesn’t matter.
JD 436 Nawwwwwww he really didn’t though. No matter what you think the game had incredible highs and lows. Dramatic twists and turns. And aspects that are clearly out of your grasp like the effects of PTSD brought on by the traumatic events required for survival. Just because you can’t get past Joel lives up to the age old “In this line of work, your first mistake will be your last” doesn’t mean that anything you think is correct, or matters. I’ll buy the next game and I’m sure I’ll love it as much as the first two. And I KNOW that I’m not the only one. The series is doing just fine, it doesn’t need your worthless approval.
J LOCC Dude, the “real reviews” mean nothing. I don’t need reviews, I play games myself and form my own opinions. And also I’m just wondering If the game is so bad then why are you playing it a SECOND time???? Clearly it’s good enough that you can’t stop playing it. Which means YOU don’t even agree with YOUR own negative review. So how about you stop hating or stop playing before you try to waste someone else’s time on the Internet with your flip flopping “argument”
@@R0binah00d Just because you like it doesn't mean it's a masterpiece. No offense.
Poor tommy. The fact that he can’t go avenge his brother is sad enough that he has to resort to asking Ellie to do it. And then he gets pissed. I’m glad he survived, one of my favorite characters, but he came back with scars
The thing is, he seemed to accept, in the theatre with Jessie and Ellie, the fact that Abby was going to get to live, in the interest of getting everyone back home alive. So it seems out-of-character for him to be like, “Oh, you gotta go kill them now, Ellie.” If he was still gung ho on Abby dying, why didn’t he go out with Jessie and Ellie while they were all still in Seattle and they knew Abby was near? Because Abby crippled him, that changed his mind? He knew the risks when he set out from Jackson, on his own.
@@douglasrau5094 I mean a crippled leg and a blinded eye are ones of the worst things that can happen to a person. Tommy raged that his brother died but was about to let the rage go but with a crippled leg and a blinded eye, his rage manifested again.
@@douglasrau5094 because he couldn’t move on from it, even after trying. Both Ellie and Tommy were being eaten alive by guilt
Tommy is using Abby to excuse his role in Joel’s death and has to convince himself that killing Abby is the only recourse
Okay but those dad jokes that Ellie was telling JJ were priceless 🤣🤣🤣
Watching this after knowing the end of the game hurts like hell. Ellie had everything.
She would’ve killed herself if she stayed. He had very deep trauma.
Everything but not joel
Almost everything
Tommy's so goddamn frustrating. He's the reason I hated this sequence so much.
He was literally begging Ellie not to go avenge Joel the first time, when his death mattered the most. But only after shit hits the fan, after he's crippled, he decides to get vengeance. Why? What's his motivation? It wasn't Joel, cuz he was reluctant to go the first time. The issue should've been done and dusted. Then he gives Ellie shit for not going when she now has the MOST reason not to go.
Bro betrayed his wife’s wishes, left on his own, got 3 of his own town’s children basically to follow him recklessly, comes back home with only 2 of them (has to confront jesses parents who are undoubtedly angry and depressed), hets a bullet shot near his brain, loses an eye, is permanently disabled, his wife basically separated from
Him due to this event
Joel would be such a good grandpa 🥹😭
😢😢😢😢😢
Spoilers!
It’s tragic that even this idilic life couldn’t heal Ellie’s trauma.
And I like that murderous revenge wasn’t the answer either.
Seeing humanity in your enemy and being able to forgive may do a lot more than revenge (in certain situations).
I really hope Dina will reappear in TLoUS 3 and take Ellie back. They are so cute together with JJ.
But I understand why Dina left. There’s only so much you can do to stop your loved one from self-destruction and at some point you must leave to avoid destructing yourself too. ❤
Dina took Ellie back after Santa Barbara. Ellie is wearing Dina's bracelet again at the end of the game.
i thought ellie always got that bracelet, since dina gave it to her in seattle@@tracybrady453
This is how you get "revenge", not by seeking bloodshed, but by living the best life you possibly can. And letting your trauma define the rest of your life.
Joel wouldnt of wanted Ellie to ruin her life, to become a PTSD riddled mess. He'd want her to be happy, and if she'd stayed on the farm, she would have been.
God its so tragic, and well written.
Especially in a world like the last of us, where chances are the person you want to kill was killed by a clicker long ago.
But still she had the chance to kill Abby but she didn't!!
@@ikramtanyafi4601 you read this comment and completely missed the point
I'm sorry but I would have felt 1000 times better if I killed the murderer of someone I cared deeply for. It would be the only way for me to TRY to move on with life. Not killing would make me be haunted for life - always beating myself up for never pursuing killing the murderer. I knew Joel would have pursued Abby if Abby had killed Ellie. I would want to match and prove his devotion if I was Ellie.
Think about that last scene... that was basically her Last Actual Talk with Joel...
And she told him that she would like to try to forgive him for what he did.
@@lukekiely2450 and that’s why she spares Abby at the end, to prove that she would have ultimately forgiven Joel
Aw, he looks so much like Jesse
2:33 I cant believe dina just said that in front of her own son, thats gonna end up being is first word 😂😂😂
Pretty sure Jesse would be happy these two raising his son since he cant
I read online that it was Jonahs son so I'm guessing it was Dina's ex or died but I agree
I want a simple loving life like what they had:( so fucking sad they split.
Remember "just because you're home, doesn't mean you're back".
Anyone else wonder how on earth did they get a fully stocked farm so fast? All those animals, all that land?! How! lol
maybe they had been around since the outbreak, just kinda chilling. since the place is so quiet and isolated, there probably weren't a lot of infected there to bother them. im also pretty sure the area is close to jackson, so maybe there were people coming around and maintaining the place before ellie & dina moved in
Nah bra some time lapsed over that period. Maybe a Year or 2. Plus they could have gotten the sheep at Jackson and Grew them on this farm
@@laptopgamer9570 Dina was pregnant during the revenge tour. Her child was an infant on the farm. And some friendly advice don’t like ur own comments.
I WANT THEM BACK TOGETHER 😢
Ew
@@Punkini homophobic in 2024.
If characters were described by one word, JJ's would be "Hope"
Splash'n'Skillz #37 what the hell 🗑😃
@@axelateon1384 what, he's hope for this story to be good again man and for the characters to live life right
Splash'n'Skillz #37 Sounds like a Disney quote 🤨
@@axelateon1384 So what ???
Splash'n'Skillz #37 so what
It's so terrible but I can't even blame Ellie for leaving. Remember how Abby's own life and relationships were fucked up by her trauma? She hated the person she became. Ellie had to actually *see* the traumatic events happen as they did -- she'd be stuck there forever with no closure, and as long as she doesn't eat or sleep, she can't really be healthy.
I’m still confused as to whether or not their house has electricity
It ripped my heart seeing Tommy all broken from the back in this scene
ye i know Tommy lost everything
God, I love Dina!
I was annoyed seeing her in the ads because I didn't know or care about her and I couldn't believe I would care about any new characters. I was a fool, how did I not know they could get me after I cried over Sarah's death?
Same
@@bboo8436 me too bro. Me too.
So good that jj got his fathers eyes at least jesse would be remebered
Ellie witnessed so many horrors in her life but nothing compares to Joel's murder aka the only father figure she ever knew...It's very disturbing to see this depth in a game.
I swear they better find each other in the next game
Same or I'll be mad 😭
This game’s storytelling deserves an Oscar.
An Oscar for terrible storytelling
Reece Wheatley Then you write a story please
Story telling is decent but definitely not the Oscar level
@@lightworker165pretty sure if naughty dog just went to Buenos Aires and found a random guy on the street to write the story hed do a better job
I feel that Ellie used Dina to fill a hole in her heart left by Joel, but the memories attacked her so much that she sort of realized this settled down life isn’t going to help her.
At first when I saw this scene, I thought, “How did they have a baby?” But shortly after thinking it, I remembered how Dina was pregnant beforehand.
Joel was such a great father to Ellie. It breaks my heart to see how she shut him out.
Damn Ellie's arms aren't tired she's been hauling JJ around all over the farm 😂 this game is so dope. Like you carry a baby while playing. I was just hoping no infected would pop up while she has JJ
Seriously tho, surely watching Joel being brutally murdered was a huge trauma for Ellie, but if u consider all shes been through that alone wouldnt be the only reason for her PTSD. Her thought of dying for the cure being her only way to give meaning to her life also portrait that her problems are were just Abby. Ellie has been through way too much and killing Abby definitely wouldnt fix anything, but to think that she chose that and left Dina to later spare Abby and come back to an empty farm is yet more aggravating. It could take a long time for a p3, if even will there be one, and the fact that this might be how we say goodbye to Ellie it was surely a pitiful way to end. Well, cant say im surprised considering how Joel journey ended.
In truth, the whole farm experience, tho wholesome, still felt like some sort of utopia from their harsh reality but still would have left a sweeter impression on Ellies future.
Look how peaceful and somewhat happy they were….this is sad that she left and lost everything
Did she really have everything? Really?
first time playing this game 1 thing i did't not know how bad i was going to cry over Joel
Absolutely heartbreaking game for Ellie. Desperately need a P3
It’s Dinas AND Ellie’s son not just dina
this all happened cuz tommy came to their house, if he didnt then none of this wouldve happened and ellie and dina could live hapoy together
dude them being a little happy family on the farm and the way ellie interacts with JJ makes me sob. i hope theres a new game and ellie sees Dina and JJ again and they get to be a happy family again. seeing Ellie tell jokes to JJ and teaching him guitar would be so cute.
I got ptsd of herding sheep on Red Dead 1 during this part 😂
Relatable.
Matt Wells and the fact hunting down Abby is like American venom makes this better lmfao
Ellie’s trauma:
The staircase wasn’t that long
Joel was never shouting for help
The door was never locked
i completely understand why tommy would be mad but she’s (compared to him) just a kid
note: yes i know she can fuck people up and fight but still .
I wonder if JJ was named after Joel and Jessie 🤔
Dina at first was like : where you go I go , end of story.
Now: I can't do this anymore.
Well... you cant take a baby on a revenge murder mission.... Her priorities changed now that she's a mom.
She went on revenge while she knows that she's pregnant and all. At least she can get the kid back Jackson ,IDK
@@leoornstein8739 I was under the impression that at the time they set out from Jackson, she wasn’t aware she was pregnant. That it wasn’t until they were already on their way before she realized she was late and she started having morning sickness. Depending on where in Wyoming Jackson actually is, the trip from there to Seattle, Washington could take awhile. Actually, how did they even know the Wolves were in Seattle? The only clue they had to go on was “Washington Liberation Force”but Washington is a decent sized state.
@@douglasrau5094 They started off at the Seattle QZ because that's where people were likely to be I imagine.
I never played this game and I loved the first one. Seeing this scenes make my heart break down, funny thing is I'm not even that emotional. They did a great job in some parts of this game.
Come for the murder, leave with the feels
One of the best interactive sequences in video game history.
JJ is adorable
yeah the infected’s dinner Would love to have seen his reaction if the infected got onto the farm would have been funny
6:35 is the best moment of the game.
I know people like to shit on JJ since he’s “pointless” or whatever, but honestly I think it’s cathartic and wholesome to see Ellie as a mom/step-mom after everything that happened. It would’ve been nice if they ended the game here to show she’s still struggling but healing.
He's definitely not pointless in-universe since he's part of the new generation. And I just love their little family, so I'm biased.
at first i didn't really like Dina, but as the story goes on and they made a family and live in a place where everything is safe and normal. But Ellie leaving to avenge Joel's death?..The only thing I'm expecting in part 3 is for her to go back to Dina :,(
I hate that Tommy just comes to the farm, basically tells Ellie that if she doesn’t kill Abby then Joel’s death would have meant nothing and completely destroys Ellie’s happiness…like dude…I know he’s your brother but let your niece have her happy ending man!
Dina I wished she supported her on this but I understand what she went through even for Ellie but I just wish it didn’t end like this
I love that she named the sheep 😂 Eugene, todd
Such a cute baby 👶🏽
One thing I realized is that music playing in the background (when Ellie and Dina are dancing). Is the same music Joel plays with his guitar
Is it my thing or the girl in the picture with Dina actually looks like Shannon Woodward? The actress who voices Dina in the game 😂
OH WOW YEAH
At first thought for some reason this scene was a dream lol
@@jekavactv i legit can't believe what they thought when writing the story. I played the first game couple months ago but i cannot imagine the feelings of those people who played this game years ago waited so long for this game to come out to finally play Joel Ellie again just so joel can die in the first 2 hours playing fucking the murderer of him for 12+hours and ellie losing everything at the end and not getting her revenge and Abby gets the happy ending like wtf😄😆🤣🤣🤣
Sorry for the long text hahahahaha just finished the game yesterday and was so disappointed got this game as a birthday present never read or saw a spoiler/leak about the game i legit people who hated this game were overreacting but i finally understand hahahahahahaj
This game had many mistakes in the story but all of this was just beautiful
It's a beautiful part of the game
Ellie got those jokes from the pun book
When Ellie is packing is she wearing Joel's jacket
When life throws a boulder at you..
I know that Ellie was suffering after Joel's death with PTSD but I'm sure Jackson had a therapist
I don't know, mental health is VERY underrated these days, what do you think it would be like in the middle of a zombie pandemic?
@@alguienmas5098 I don't know, but I'm sure someone (hell, probably Maria) in Jackson would step up and help people through things like this
If part 3 happens, I need a Ellie and Abby meet up again.
Same OMG
I don't really feel Dina had the right to say that they where done with it when she wasn't as close to Joel as Ellie and Tommy were she didn't go through what they did (as bad)
She’s protecting ellie
She and Jesse had a very close relationship tho
Agreed. It wasnt her place to say
@@lethalsoldier8082 it was totally her place to say that, ellie got her, jesse and everyone around her into her personal problem so they are as much as her concerned in my opinion
@@julieseignolles5149 that is the biggest lie i ever heard. It was completely dinas choice not ellies. Ellie even said u dont have to do this i dont want u to feel like u have to but dina wanted to anyways. Ellie never asked her to come. Same with jesse. Ellie never told jesse for a reason but apparently his friends problems are his problems so that was his choice not ellies. Dina didnt know joel like that and tommy brutally lost his brother so no it was not her place to say at all.
BEST MOMS HANDS DOWN!!
I should've just stayed with Dina...
Yeah you have still had 2 fingers but on the downside bring up someone’ else baby
@@plazawall586 I don't like kids either, but Ellie would take care easily enough about jj, if only she hadn't had that problem.
Bro after hearing very closely u can hear her humming that one song forgot the name but knows the lyrics
4:42 that Sunset 🌅
Okay but like ellie is a great mom
The whole game had its ups and downs, but it lost me completely when Ellie left. . .
This kinda gives rdr2 vibes at the end because they need to get revenge
What if in the third one Lev and JJ meet when their older?
Levs dead 😢
Did you guys remeber when dina said her dream is to live in a farm and raise sheeps?
to be honest, i think ellie and tommy killing abby's friends was kinda enough to make abby suffered and ellie should have stay with dina and raised baby together
His name is JJ, buddy
What's the song that Ellie play un 21:50?? It's there a extended version?
this video made me jealous ellie was supposed to be mine😢
aaaaa I miss these 2
the ending of them made me cry so hard. I could never imagine that happening to me and my girlfriend
@LitzyDoe Hey! She ended up leaving because of PTSD from Joel being killed by Abby. She also left because she went to Jackson to find her parents and live with them
The game's story is so bad but I have to admit the PTSD scene is brilliant. TBH this game shows brilliant ideas at times and I wish the whole game lived up to it.
The story is good in my opinion. I understand that some people just don’t like it, but for most people that are hatefully trashing the game, it just wasn’t what they wanted it to be and they can’t accept it.
Matt Wells eh I just don’t like how they executed it. Like she killed a lot of ppl just to get her revenge. But I also get how she forgave Abby since she was doing the same thing. Get what I mean? It kinda contradicts itself. Tho I agree ppl are mostly just hating cause Joel died.
Matt Wells they should’ve done what rdr2 did. Be good or bad.
@@Wow30035 She didn't forgive Abby, she'll never forgive Abby. It goes beyond that. Ellie hates Abby with every fiber of her being and can't forgive what she did to Joel. She also couldn't forgive Joel for the longest time for what he did at the end of the first game. But the one person Ellie hates more than anyone else, the one person she cannot forgive more than anyone else, is herself. For a lot of things: Her immunity and the pain and suffering it has caused (Tess, Sam, Henry, Riley, the Fireflies, etc.), the people she slaughtered and tortured (Nora, Mel, and Owen in particular) just to get to Abby and exact revenge, which made her into someone she was not and made her just as bad as Abby was, and most of all, how she treated Joel after she found the truth.
This entire time, it wasn't revenge she was seeking, it was forgiveness. Forgiving herself for how coldly she treated him, even if he deserved it, because she *loved* him. Joel was her father. And their relationship was in shambles up until the end where they were finally starting to pick up the pieces. But by then it was too late. She never even got the chance to say "I'm sorry." Or "I love you." Or tell him how much he meant to her. Now she'll never get the chance. Killing Abby wasn't going to change anything. It wasn't going to bring Joel back or cure her PTSD or give her that chance to reconcile that she wasted all those years. All she would have done was take Abby away from Lev, just like how Abby took Joel away from her, continuing the never-ending cycle of revenge and poisonous hatred. Who's to say that if Ellie finished the job and Lev somehow made it out of there, he wouldn't have set out to avenge Abby and kill Ellie? Like... When does it end?
It just wasn't worth it anymore. She was done. She realized it. And she just wanted to put Joel's death behind her and move on with the new meaning in her life, the thing that she could "keep fighting for" like Joel said at the end of the first game: Dina and JJ. That's why she let Abby go.
PAOerful One yea true but I mean she could’ve stayed with Dina if she wasn’t going to kill her. But hopefully the 3rd game makes more sense. Like I get she didn’t want to kill her but if she didn’t even wanna go find her in the 1st place they should’ve just made tommy kill her or send someone else.
I kinda thought JJ stand for Jesse Joel
what if what if we play as jj in the last of us part 3 and Ellie in some ways is like Joel in the first game would never happen but it would be cool
My heart just died
23:30 did y'all see that lip bite Ellie did while staring at Dina ?
One fact:
Joel died thinking that Ellie woul'd never forget what he did and she hate him.
This scene pissed me off more than what happened to Joel
Can’t wait for the dlc
i was waiting for the potato song 😭
After all the dogs Ellie kills in Seattle, no wonder she doesn't have a dog on the farm. Plus, it is easier for Dina to move in with Jessie's folks if she doesn't have a pet. 😔