My biggest thing is u only have 3hrs to screw around loading, unloading,breaks etc till u start losing drive time. Whole system just causes a rushed driver which causes accidents in my opinion
Man this is priceless info.Just getting into the business and I am still soaking up the knowledge you have blessed us with.Even info that’s in a year old video helps me “today”.So thank you for that!
Back in the days, we had to show 15 minutes ON DUTY if whatever we were doing took 7 minutes or more. Now that we got E-logs, I use that same criteria. My fueling, Pre trips, and everything in between, I log it at around 7-9 minutes just to save those few minutes. I don't understand why most drivers feel the need to log everything at 15 minutes on ON DUTY, you're wasting precious time. Dozens of DOT Inspections and never ever been questioned about it. Work smarter, not harder. Great video man!
So I can be headed to be unloaded and only put like 15 minutes on duty for unloading and then put off duty? I won’t get in trouble for putting off duty while I’m at the yard?
@@TaniaEsparza are you sitting in the truck bsing? if so off duty ... are you touching the freight? of you not working just sitting as some fork driver slapping pallets in your ass you only need to log the interactions where you check in and out and backing and pulling out of the dock...
No DOT officer I've had contact with has done more than glance at the Elogs. Never ever spent the time to digest what he's looking at. Log minimum time for everything. Taking a piss takes about a minute...off duty. All dock time off duty. It all adds up
Wait we can go off duty during dock time man that’s some bs I didn’t know that I’m a new driver someone told me I can go sleeper birth as well even while waiting for tire guy
@@LoadMizer How can I aquire my speed data from transflo??? I got issued a tix I can beat but the job won't give me the data because I had already put in 2 wk notice smh?
I a CDL class A diver need a good paying job myself... i am OTR flatbed driver got few months in as all right now.. been getting my winter experience up in east Chicago Illinois down all round ohio and PA... all making paper for the family.... getting closer to 1 year in... learning everyday... ty
Never verbally explain your log to a dot officer, that can hurt you in court. Just say, I gave you my HOS as requested and required by law, no other explanation is necessary. Keep silent and invoke the 5th. Just say it's all there in writing there's no explanation necessary from me.
I've been out if the game for awhile, just getting back into it and the clock have been beating me bad thanks to this video im back into the swing of thing's.
@@tommydouglas3375 That's easy just use loose leaf logs right. Then redo them as needed...I always go down to the 4th line for my pre- trip then pop up to the drive line then if I've stopped along the way I can recalculate where I actually began by going up to off duty and then back to a better spot to begin my drive time..old trick know!😉
I use yard move every day to complete my thirty minute break. Think about it, you can drive fourteen hours a day under 20 mph in YM. The minute you enter public roadways you are now considered to be on duty driving.
I totally agree with a lot of what you're saying here. Sometimes, it happens quicker, and I deal with that on a case-by-case basis, but, quite often, you're gonna be sitting at a shipper or a receiver for at least two hours. But on the average case I'll show 15 minutes. Checking in and I'll show 15 minutes before I leave taking care of paperwork business and, like you say, sit around long enough to knock at least a couple of hours off your sleeper time. Basically, it's all about using your head and, like you say, maximizing your on duty time. And if you split your sleeper time just right, you never have to show a thirty minute break anymore.
Thank You for sharing.Time is money calling is what I also like to do.And sometimes you will have to call early to find out where the load is going to be received.They may not know your coming today.And if you have an unmarked jobsite you have to run up and down the street asking for directions if the main office is closed for lunch.Well you may not always be able to charge that back.Don't get frusrated keep your head,and ask the shipper before you go.Where exactly the site is in the construction site world.I have been learning these tricks online mostly.But your time is money.That is why you are doing this job.
Also. New HOS update as of Sept 29 2020. 30min of on duty not driving time counts as your 30 min break and will reset your 8hr until break clock. There is no need to stop for 30min off duty anymore when you can knock that 30 out at shipper/Receiver. Even if you are actually working. Dot don’t know if it took 40 minutes to load or if it took 10 and you sat waiting for 30 that you just left on duty logged.
Yes, I’m still not used to that rule because I’ve basically been grabbing my 30’s at shoppers and receivers anyway lol. So pretty much it boils down to don’t leave a shipper if you’re about to hit 30. Just wait and roll out with a fresh clock 👍
Only issue I have with a short pre trip inspection (under 15 to 30 min) is in case of a serious accident. In that case a good lawyer could argue that a proper inspection didn't take place causing the incident and therefore try and place blame on me and my company. I get thats a far stretch but still possible. Regardless your videos are really helpful man! Thanks for the content !
@@overpass8690 if you are just sitting in the truck watch shit on your phone wtf are you logging on duty... put your ass in the bunk and save your clock... make the system work for you... watch every min you use. if you are no physically working your are not unloading... log your backing in and check in/out times... if you not touching the freight you are not working.... now a flat bed driver is fucked in this aspect due to hard to start a load and tarp in less then an hour...
I never thought about it like that. If I log on duty 1min. Vs 15min. That's will stay on my shift clock If I log 1min shipper .go off duty 2hrs. I can do 8hr Sleeper vs 10hr. If I fuel log 1min. Go off duty. I'm basically keeping shift up hrs and it will keep replenishing my drive clock vs running out Thanks my guy for the info.
All of this "should" be common sense! But that's the sad thing about this industry... Sense is not so common anymore... It's not cheatin if u ask me! But it all comes from experience. No harm, no foul, just good ol seasoned experience. You speak good words of advice my friend! I'm in! SUBSCRIBE ✅️
@@happypappy6371 they could catch you cheating paper logs if they looked deep enough. If it were about stopping accidents they wouldn’t allow trucks without an ecm on the road. If you have a truck built before 2000 then you’re exempt from eld and can run paper logs. It’s all just regulation in the big picture. Nobody can gauge how tired I am except me. I’ve put in a full 14 hour shift before and still couldn’t sleep for 6 more hours and also I’ve woken up and been ready to go back to sleep 30 minutes into my day. It’s a decent rule of thumb but it’s not practical across the board to be a one size fits all “rest” break. It’s how it is though and this is just what we deal with.
@@LoadMizer I understand that and agree. The 30 minute break was just a time waste. You didn't rest. You sat for 30 minutes watching the clock. The 14 hour clock should be allowed to stop. That just pushes everyone to keep going, instead of taking a break or even stopping to eat. But the loose leaf log or running 3 logs as he mentioned, was with those that were driving illegal trying to push the clock and in the old days, using drugs to keep going. One of the main problems with many of the new rules is they are made by someone sitting behind a desk, that has never been in a truck. They have no idea what we do on the road.
New guy here wanting to start hot shots. If my only vehicle is my truck do I have to log anything at all on my off duty days or nights when I’m going to the grocery store, kid’s baseball games,etc?
How can I aquire my speed data from transflo??? I got issued a tix I can beat but the job won't give me the data because I had already put in 2 wk notice smh?
Its hard to imagine any OTR driver thats not already doing this. It only takes about a month of driving to figure this out on your own. Common sense really. But good video for all the new drivers out there.
I driver OTR and don't do any of this and I never have come close to running out of my 70. I run within 1500 miles of Port Huron Mi, All loads are round trip no matter if I'm loaded or empty and depending on where I'm going I do 2-4 loads a week leaving on Sunday and getting home on Friday.
I'm not certain what ELD you use but mine doesn't work that way. Once I start my 14 hour day the clock keeps running, if I'm ON-Duty, Driving, Personal Use or On Break. If I go Off Duty, the available hours still count down until they reset after 10 hours of Off Duty time. If I go back On Duty before the 10 hour reset I can only drive the unused portion of my original duty time or drive time which ever is less.
I'm curious, I don't really understand about the pre-trip,. I log on sign on for my pre-trip and then I sit and wait for 15 minutes, because I've already checked everything, and then at 15 minutes I pull off. Are you telling me that all I have to do is plug in on duty / pre-trip and I can go ahead and leave because I've already checked everything?
V.I. are a constant. If you smell coolant driving down the road do you forget it because it's not during your inspection time. Your pre trip and post trip Can be flagged. If the DOT says Different, ask him if you have his permission to lie on your log. If you do your vehicle inspection in the middle of the day log it as such. Dont lie and falsify your log. I always log my VIs when I fuel. Because that's when I do them. And remember your always doing an inspection on your truck especially as driving down the road, when you look out your mirror and you see a tire bulging more on one axle than another axle. You check it correct. Well that was because of a visually inspection of your mirrors log it as such. If it takes less than 7 min. You dont need to log time but it still needs flagged. Oh well once again good topic. Cooltruckin out
Can you go off duty while waiting to be loaded say it takes 3hrs? I believe DOT wants you to put yourself down as on duty. Yes of course i agree its a waste of time for owner operators but for company drivers they have no choice.
You dont have to log your time waiting at a customer as on duty, you can log it as sleeper time, you just cant log it as off duty time because off duty means that your'e free to go and do whatever you want to, which youre not when you're getting loaded or unloaded.
I miss receiving time a lot mostly gotta sleep right there and wait til 9 am the next day then wait for their meetings are over before they start checking me in
How do you write for off duty on the daily log for Saturday and Sunday? I work only M to F. Do I draw a straight line across the board or write down OFF DUTY? Thanks
On e logs just go off Duty and leave it untill you come back to on duty pre trip, once you start driving it will go on driving by itself. If you are using paper logs then just draw a straight line across that day 24hrs.
You don't need to log on duty for loading/unloading unless you're a local driver and asked/required to unload your freight. Otr drivers aren't required to load/unload so no time needs to be wasted on duty line
Sorry buddy this has nothing to do with this video. I love all the advice you give for us beginners. I have a question for you, I’m stuck man I have a lifted Ford king ranch dually and bigger aftermarket tires my 35 plus 5 gator trailer is getting build. I’m sure I would have enough clearance between the bed and the trailer. Just want to know for the long run is this safe and should I got back stock?
Definitely go back stock. You’re going to crush your suspension, the stress on these trucks is insane pulling heavyweight on these beat up roads. Your tires are going to be an issue too. Not only are they going to cost you more when you have a blowout (availability is an issue too) but you’re increasing you gear ratio by having larger tires which is going to sink your fuel mileage big time. You’ll save yourself a lot of headache by going back to stock specs.
Occasionally you may need more time at the end of your 70 hours to make a trip or finish one. What you can do is edit your log, preferably at the beginning of that week and show you were off duty instead of on duty not driving. Notate as a correction. Ive never had a problem doing that except with my own conviction. Gotta do what you gotta do. Even when i was doing paper logs one dot told me what he wanted to see but do what i have to do aslong as he saw what he wanted to see.
My company requires 15 minutes per day for pre/post trip inspections. 15 minute pre trip, flag post trip. Or 7.5 minute pre trip, and 7.5 minute post trip. Gotta equal 15 minutes per day.
Everytime I go off duty while loading or unloading it tells me to rest for at least 2 hours before I go back in duty. Most of the time it never takes that long. And that time is added to on duty time. How can I fix that?
You need to change some type of parameters in your ELD settings. It shouldn’t be automatically switching between on and off duty unless you’re driving.
My biggest issue right now is the weather I’m local have clc lodging so basically day one run stop at the motel closes to day two , it’s been a headache running 60 miles on chain and usually gotta do it twice in the day because of all the passes
Anything besides the drive like can be edited. Shouldn’t be a common occurrence though and you should always be part of that conversation. Seems shady if they’re just editing it at will.
If I’m not working I’m off duty. If I were waiting to be loaded or unloaded I’d most likely be messing around in my phone or taking a nap. In my book that’s off duty. If they’re loading/unloading me I’m not working...they are.
Good shit, so there is no way for dot to beable to tell if you loaded or unloaded yourself. Just soon as you fire back up to leave, you’ll switch to on duty.
What if you drive while you’re off duty still gonna shows up for DOT let’s say you’re hours done your in sleeper birth and you drive 10 mils to next rest area but the ELD didn’t turn to driving while driving like stayed in off duty still you gonna getting trouble with DOT ??
I always get in trouble for getting load/unload off duty, disconnect from the trailer boys n girls take 2 mins to drop landing gear and air lines then pull fwd and go off duty totally legal frowned upon yes but legal.
They will do that in Laredo and El Paso as well. I've had guys come in on a Sunday after offering a hundred bucks to come in just so I could grab another load from there and keep moving and get out of there. It's a small price to pay if you can pick up another load and get out of there quick.
I got a honest question. I’ve never used e log before. I quit driving 10 years ago and I always used loose leaf paper logs So let’s say I take 6 hours to get somewhere that should have only taken 3. Traffic accident, weather, or whatever, caused me to take 6 hours. On paper log I could log 3 hours driving and go off duty to save that extra 3 hours I spent. And it was perfectly fine to do because mathematically it shoulda only taken 3 hours. But with E logs there’s nothing I can do about it ? I’m thinking about going back to trucking but man those e logs worry me. I feel like I won’t be able to get anything done 🤦♂️
Another top notch video, Load Mizer. Maybe more accurate to say- “How not to cheat yourself on your logs, legally”, but your title will actually be searched by people I’m sure, mine would not and that’s why you make videos and I don’t. I appreciate the education and knowledge that you share with your viewers, I don’t have time for anything else when I get time to watch YT. It’s kind of the point of this video, time is money and I am trying to absorb knowledge about this industry, I have been in transportation 20 years, but not this side ever, It’s like with you and hauling livestock from your “shooting the bull” live video, if/when I do get into a niche in the hotshot industry, I want to be the best at it, prepared, and conquer it because I will hate it if I don’t and there is so much information on here, some much better then others, there is time to learn. And what a monumental waste of money that would be to just jump in uninformed and underprepared. I am seeing the difference between the fictional characters and the non fictional players lately on here, thanks for teaching and being a leader in your industry, I don’t comment much, but I do follow along with some of y’all and this is one of my favorite channels and I think you keep good company with some others on here that I have heard you mention, whom I also subscribe to. But who am I, just an opinion from a random stranger really, but your content, character, and channel is appreciated.
That means a lot man, not from a jealousy aspect but just a frustration side of things lately seeing the garbage thrown out by some other channels. It’s being soaked up by 10’s of thousands of viewers and little do they know that if that’s the expectation and mentality they bring into this business that it will chew them up and spit them out flat broke within a matter of months. I can only provide the information, I can’t make people listen lol.
@@LoadMizer I can tell by your character that it is definitely not jealously and you’re right, it is absolutely frustrating and that’s because you care, honestly, I do as a driver, I feel like this is part of my fabric and I have put in time to this industry and I don’t want people screwing it up, I take pride in it and it’s not for everyone and it’s not as easy as it’s portrayed. This isn’t small time stuff, people can get hurt or hurt others, loose their family and savings, cause insurance rates to rise, cause new regulations, etc... that many people, 10’s of thousands of viewers, some with an ability to get out here, can do actual damage and some of us were here first, it’s not jealously, it’s protecting what you have already invested in with our time and energy, and really the sacrifices that we all have to make, either the ones that are on the road and for those who are at home while we’re on the road if that applies, our families. Territorial integrity. Keep it up man, your doing a great job and your videos are great.
I agree 100%. I’ve seen a lot in this industry change over the years and much of it is due to reign in the low driver quality standards that have been out it place by massive companies that churn drivers through schools like mills to fill seats. Government grants and SBA loans making it way to easy to put people behind the seat of a rolling liability with nothing than a fairy tail and misinformation to guide them.
Great video sir, got a question tho. After taking your 10 can you go on pc before doing a pre-trip or do you have to to do a pre-trip prior to taking pc?
You don’t have to do a pretrip until you’re about to start working. PC implies that you aren’t working. You don’t have to log a pretrip if you’re just running PC just make sure you’re not advancing your position to your next or current load. That’s the big deal breaker.
@@LoadMizer what if I have a load and I’m going back home to reset? and I’m not delivering that load till like three days later but the location is like three hours from my home and it was 16 hours because I came back home what can I do in that situation do I have to follow the clocks going back home to reset? Hopefully you understand my question lol
Ok let’s say I go to deliver in ca from Indian and I don’t have anything on my way back To Indiana and is a weekend and I don’t have anything til Monday or Tuesday do I have to use it or I can be on off duty
If I log Off Duty at the shipper or receiver for loading or unloading, does my 14 shift time still decrease even if I’m log Off Duty?? Or does it pause?
I’m asking because ill be going back to part on 3/9/22 and I need to kind of refresh my memory with the part logs 🤦🏽♂️.What would I say to DOT when they ask the reason for being off duty?. I get the part where I can just put let say 15 min on duty to save time at the shipper. Also how do I split sleeper birth and off duty?. Thanks in advance.
Everything is all good. Right up until someone runs a red light and you involved in a fatality. Then you are going to learn real quick these shortcuts are going to bite you. Accident investigators are way smarter than you give them credit for. There is no legal way to cheat a log. You are either in compliance or in violation.
True to a point. Driving outside of any of the hours of service regs are what gets you pinched in court. If I spend 45 minutes at a shipper and log 10 minutes of it on duty or 40 minutes of it on duty it doesn’t change the fact that I wasn’t driving for 45 minutes. Busting the 8, 11, 14 or 70 hour rules are what can run you through the cleaners in court. This video doesn’t impact any of those rules.
@@LoadMizer It's cool man. Guys have been doing what you are doing for years. I saw first hand what happened to my buddy during a not at fault fatality investigation. It was horrible. He was above the board on everything regarding HOS. The investigators backtracked every second for months before the accident. FWIW I have been a tanker driver for over 18 years and have had carried CDL with all endorsements since the early 90's. HOS is no joke to play with. I was in it for the long run. Attempting to get the most money by playing the HOS game is very dangerous. You are still fairly new to this so I hope my sharing will help you and others out there. Be Safe.
Quick Cost per mile question. I am starting to haul i already have a truck that i have been paying on that will be paid off in 2 years. Would i figure that payment in my cost per mile or no since i am going to have the payment regardless of what i do?
@@bryonsusedautos You should discuss this with an accountant. You should add the truck as an asset to your business at the value it was when you started using it.
Can somebody help me out with this I am a new owner operator always have work with companies log book or computer. But now I am driving my own truck and I only drive local within 60 mi radius no more than a hundred for sure do I need to run a log book
Weeks don’t matter when it comes to hours of service. It’s based on a 70 hour limit within a rolling 8 day period. The only thing that can reset that is 34 consecutive hours off duty.
Bruh i dont log in until after the pre trip and once im ready to hook then i log in put my status on yard loading and doesnt count as drive time unless you drive above 20mph. When you get to your location before you drop as soon as i get there boom same thing you also can go off line and drive below 4mph
I’m here because I’ll spend all morning getting unloaded then I’ll spend all afternoon getting loaded and tarped. I’ll have 4 hrs to actually run my new load when I could run 7 or 8 hrs. I feel cheated
Let’s say i just dropped my last load for month in Texas and I’m ready to drive home for a few days and i live in michigan can i drive the whole way back home or do i still need to follow the driving time laws even though I’m off duty
Really just depends on the attitude of who inspects you if you get pulled over for it. One way around it is to label your truck anyway you can that it’s NOT FOR HIRE. I’ve used sheets of paper and a sharpie before.
@@LoadMizer would this work for company truck as well? Also in masons case would he be able to go pc since he isn’t advancing any load and is driving back home? Cause I know if you deadhead to get a trailer it has to be drive time but let’s say he goes home take a 10 he reset at home would the pc be valid or not?
It’s just another option to send your logs for inspection. If you can’t send them directly to the officer then you can email them to the fmcsa server and they can access them from there.
I’m still not used to that rule change lol. Either way, point of it is don’t jump in and roll out if you’re close to 30 minutes, just wait a few and roll out with a fresh clock 👍
My biggest thing is u only have 3hrs to screw around loading, unloading,breaks etc till u start losing drive time. Whole system just causes a rushed driver which causes accidents in my opinion
You didn’t mention that it causes SLEEPY drivers.
Man this is priceless info.Just getting into the business and I am still soaking up the knowledge you have blessed us with.Even info that’s in a year old video helps me “today”.So thank you for that!
Back in the days, we had to show 15 minutes ON DUTY if whatever we were doing took 7 minutes or more. Now that we got E-logs, I use that same criteria. My fueling, Pre trips, and everything in between, I log it at around 7-9 minutes just to save those few minutes. I don't understand why most drivers feel the need to log everything at 15 minutes on ON DUTY, you're wasting precious time. Dozens of DOT Inspections and never ever been questioned about it. Work smarter, not harder. Great video man!
Man I miss paper logs every day lol
But paper logs are in increments of 15. How do you put 7 to 9 minutes for PTI on paper log?.
So I can be headed to be unloaded and only put like 15 minutes on duty for unloading and then put off duty? I won’t get in trouble for putting off duty while I’m at the yard?
@@TaniaEsparza are you sitting in the truck bsing? if so off duty ... are you touching the freight? of you not working just sitting as some fork driver slapping pallets in your ass you only need to log the interactions where you check in and out and backing and pulling out of the dock...
@TaniaEsparza as long as the dot officer doesn't come and check your clock you will be fine .that's most likely never going to happen lol
No DOT officer I've had contact with has done more than glance at the Elogs. Never ever spent the time to digest what he's looking at. Log minimum time for everything. Taking a piss takes about a minute...off duty. All dock time off duty. It all adds up
I emailed mine twice last year to 2 different officers in 2 different states. First time in 12 years.
Wait we can go off duty during dock time man that’s some bs I didn’t know that I’m a new driver someone told me I can go sleeper birth as well even while waiting for tire guy
@@LoadMizer How can I aquire my speed data from transflo??? I got issued a tix I can beat but the job won't give me the data because I had already put in 2 wk notice smh?
I a CDL class A diver need a good paying job myself... i am OTR flatbed driver got few months in as all right now.. been getting my winter experience up in east Chicago Illinois down all round ohio and PA... all making paper for the family.... getting closer to 1 year in... learning everyday... ty
Bottomline, as stated. "If I'm not making $$$, I'm not on the clock". CYA, common sense stuff guys. Mizer for the WIN !!!
You no longer have to show a half hour break as long as you have 30 of non driving time. It’ll reset your 8 hrs
That’s right. I forgot about that new rule! Gonna take a while to get used to that lol.
I love that new rule and great video!!!
This is a very helpful new rule. They can keep the split shift shi but this one I'm happy about
Never verbally explain your log to a dot officer, that can hurt you in court. Just say, I gave you my HOS as requested and required by law, no other explanation is necessary. Keep silent and invoke the 5th. Just say it's all there in writing there's no explanation necessary from me.
It also pauses anytime you stop to go off duty.
Makes sense. Definitely agree on maximizing time. Going to do this more often.
I've been out if the game for awhile, just getting back into it and the clock have been beating me bad thanks to this video im back into the swing of thing's.
This is good info, we used to call it (on paper logs) shaving hours with minutes everyday.. it does add up!
I just brought a 1998 freightliner, and Im trying to learn how to cheat the logs, but always be in compliance at the same time
@@tommydouglas3375 That's easy just use loose leaf logs right. Then redo them as needed...I always go down to the 4th line for my pre- trip then pop up to the drive line then if I've stopped along the way I can recalculate where I actually began by going up to off duty and then back to a better spot to begin my drive time..old trick know!😉
@@bonedust68 I think I know what you're talking about, it sounds pretty easy. Thank You for responding back
I use yard move every day to complete my thirty minute break. Think about it, you can drive fourteen hours a day under 20 mph in YM. The minute you enter public roadways you are now considered to be on duty driving.
Just use my On Duty when I do pre-trip got a plenty of inspection never have problem. And it save a lot time for me.
Pretrip is on duty not driving
I totally agree with a lot of what you're saying here. Sometimes, it happens quicker, and I deal with that on a case-by-case basis, but, quite often, you're gonna be sitting at a shipper or a receiver for at least two hours. But on the average case I'll show 15 minutes. Checking in and I'll show 15 minutes before I leave taking care of paperwork business and, like you say, sit around long enough to knock at least a couple of hours off your sleeper time. Basically, it's all about using your head and, like you say, maximizing your on duty time. And if you split your sleeper time just right, you never have to show a thirty minute break anymore.
Learning ALOT on your channel! Genuinely appreciate your info!
Didn’t know you worked for Josh, I learned a lot from him getting started and setting up my own authority.
He had some very nicely broken down videos. It’s a shame he deleted them. I learned about business from Josh.
Always was curious on this subject. I have never had to use logs locally. Thanks for the knowledge!
Thank You for sharing.Time is money calling is what I also like to do.And sometimes you will have to call early to find out where the load is going to be received.They may not know your coming today.And if you have an unmarked jobsite you have to run up and down the street asking for directions if the main office is closed for lunch.Well you may not always be able to charge that back.Don't get frusrated keep your head,and ask the shipper before you go.Where exactly the site is in the construction site world.I have been learning these tricks online mostly.But your time is money.That is why you are doing this job.
Thank you for this, been on the road for 2 weeks and this helped alot.
Also. New HOS update as of Sept 29 2020. 30min of on duty not driving time counts as your 30 min break and will reset your 8hr until break clock. There is no need to stop for 30min off duty anymore when you can knock that 30 out at shipper/Receiver. Even if you are actually working. Dot don’t know if it took 40 minutes to load or if it took 10 and you sat waiting for 30 that you just left on duty logged.
Yes, I’m still not used to that rule because I’ve basically been grabbing my 30’s at shoppers and receivers anyway lol. So pretty much it boils down to don’t leave a shipper if you’re about to hit 30. Just wait and roll out with a fresh clock 👍
Fair Point. I've not seen specs on pre-trip time requirements.
Almost everything besides driving takes as long you say it does 😉
@@LoadMizer Exactly!
Only issue I have with a short pre trip inspection (under 15 to 30 min) is in case of a serious accident. In that case a good lawyer could argue that a proper inspection didn't take place causing the incident and therefore try and place blame on me and my company. I get thats a far stretch but still possible.
Regardless your videos are really helpful man! Thanks for the content !
I’d love to see a lawyer try to explain what I did and didn’t check during an inspection 🤣
Maan my teacher lied to me my unloading takes 2hrs and a real 30 mins break
@@overpass8690 if you are just sitting in the truck watch shit on your phone wtf are you logging on duty... put your ass in the bunk and save your clock... make the system work for you... watch every min you use. if you are no physically working your are not unloading... log your backing in and check in/out times... if you not touching the freight you are not working.... now a flat bed driver is fucked in this aspect due to hard to start a load and tarp in less then an hour...
its not a stretch, they WILL find blame with that. Its simple, "CYA" "Cover your ASSets".
I never thought about it like that. If I log on duty 1min. Vs 15min. That's will stay on my shift clock
If I log 1min shipper .go off duty 2hrs. I can do 8hr Sleeper vs 10hr.
If I fuel log 1min. Go off duty.
I'm basically keeping shift up hrs and it will keep replenishing my drive clock vs running out
Thanks my guy for the info.
Great presentation dude TY
GREAT INFO, Priceless! its good to know there are ways to stay a head of the game!
All of this "should" be common sense! But that's the sad thing about this industry... Sense is not so common anymore... It's not cheatin if u ask me! But it all comes from experience. No harm, no foul, just good ol seasoned experience. You speak good words of advice my friend! I'm in!
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I really prefer loose leaf paper logs or perhaps running 3 books. I call that never stoppin and keep on trucking, WOOP WOOP!
If you got the year truck to do it with lol. I’m sure they’ll close that loop hole eventually. Gotta get everybody on elogs for “safety” lol
That is why they went to ELD's. People cheating the log and then causing an accident.
@@happypappy6371 they could catch you cheating paper logs if they looked deep enough. If it were about stopping accidents they wouldn’t allow trucks without an ecm on the road. If you have a truck built before 2000 then you’re exempt from eld and can run paper logs. It’s all just regulation in the big picture. Nobody can gauge how tired I am except me. I’ve put in a full 14 hour shift before and still couldn’t sleep for 6 more hours and also I’ve woken up and been ready to go back to sleep 30 minutes into my day. It’s a decent rule of thumb but it’s not practical across the board to be a one size fits all “rest” break. It’s how it is though and this is just what we deal with.
@@LoadMizer I understand that and agree. The 30 minute break was just a time waste. You didn't rest. You sat for 30 minutes watching the clock. The 14 hour clock should be allowed to stop. That just pushes everyone to keep going, instead of taking a break or even stopping to eat. But the loose leaf log or running 3 logs as he mentioned, was with those that were driving illegal trying to push the clock and in the old days, using drugs to keep going. One of the main problems with many of the new rules is they are made by someone sitting behind a desk, that has never been in a truck. They have no idea what we do on the road.
Great video Mizer... 💯🤘🏼💯
New guy here wanting to start hot shots. If my only vehicle is my truck do I have to log anything at all on my off duty days or nights when I’m going to the grocery store, kid’s baseball games,etc?
Also if you're waiting to load or unl show sleeper berth for your waiting time. That helps tremendously.
If you have a,DOT sleeper berth. Just Off Duty works.
How can I aquire my speed data from transflo??? I got issued a tix I can beat but the job won't give me the data because I had already put in 2 wk notice smh?
Its hard to imagine any OTR driver thats not already doing this. It only takes about a month of driving to figure this out on your own. Common sense really. But good video for all the new drivers out there.
I driver OTR and don't do any of this and I never have come close to running out of my 70. I run within 1500 miles of Port Huron Mi, All loads are round trip no matter if I'm loaded or empty and depending on where I'm going I do 2-4 loads a week leaving on Sunday and getting home on Friday.
That’s what I was going to comment
I'm always Loaded by shipper or Unlocked by consignee while off duty with a few minutes on duty to open and close the doors and update my log info
I'm not certain what ELD you use but mine doesn't work that way. Once I start my 14 hour day the clock keeps running, if I'm ON-Duty, Driving, Personal Use or On Break. If I go Off Duty, the available hours still count down until they reset after 10 hours of Off Duty time. If I go back On Duty before the 10 hour reset I can only drive the unused portion of my original duty time or drive time which ever is less.
Great info bro! Glad I found this video, I’m def taking away some of these tips to maximize on my time.
Shut I keep missing being first lol, good video my friend 🤣
I'm curious, I don't really understand about the pre-trip,. I log on sign on for my pre-trip and then I sit and wait for 15 minutes, because I've already checked everything, and then at 15 minutes I pull off.
Are you telling me that all I have to do is plug in on duty / pre-trip and I can go ahead and leave because I've already checked everything?
V.I. are a constant. If you smell coolant driving down the road do you forget it because it's not during your inspection time.
Your pre trip and post trip
Can be flagged. If the DOT says
Different, ask him if you have his permission to lie on your log. If you do your vehicle inspection in the middle of the day log it as such. Dont lie and falsify your log. I always log my VIs when I fuel. Because that's when I do them. And remember your always doing an inspection on your truck especially as driving down the road, when you look out your mirror and you see a tire bulging more on one axle than another axle. You check it correct. Well that was because of a visually inspection of your mirrors log it as such. If it takes less than 7 min. You dont need to log time but it still needs flagged. Oh well once again good topic. Cooltruckin out
Your logs won’t save you from an at fault accident or catastrophic equipment failure. Log what needs logged in your opinion and roll on 👍
Can you go off duty while waiting to be loaded say it takes 3hrs? I believe DOT wants you to put yourself down as on duty. Yes of course i agree its a waste of time for owner operators but for company drivers they have no choice.
If I’m waiting to be loaded or being loaded and I’m not the one doing the loading….I’m not working, so I’m off duty.
Thank you sir for your straight forward advice
Good one
I loved the old paper logs, great video
I miss them every day man lol
@@LoadMizer will ELD show to DOT that you drive 10 mils while your gone and you make the ELD not recording driving ?? Your off duty but your driving
You dont have to log your time waiting at a customer as on duty, you can log it as sleeper time, you just cant log it as off duty time because off duty means that your'e free to go and do whatever you want to, which youre not when you're getting loaded or unloaded.
I miss receiving time a lot mostly gotta sleep right there and wait til 9 am the next day then wait for their meetings are over before they start checking me in
This channel is better than hotshot Dave this guy has done both cars and freight
Don’t count Dave out, he knows a lot more about cars than I do. I’ve learned quite a bit from Dave 👍
How do you write for off duty on the daily log for Saturday and Sunday? I work only M to F. Do I draw a straight line across the board or write down OFF DUTY? Thanks
On e logs just go off Duty and leave it untill you come back to on duty pre trip, once you start driving it will go on driving by itself. If you are using paper logs then just draw a straight line across that day 24hrs.
I’m no trucker but having to be on the clock dead heading has always blown my mind . Especially these RV guys . Not making money , why be on a clock .
Most of that boils down to insurance. They run the show more than anybody in almost every single industry.
Because dead heading is still working/driving.
You don't need to log on duty for loading/unloading unless you're a local driver and asked/required to unload your freight. Otr drivers aren't required to load/unload so no time needs to be wasted on duty line
Sorry buddy this has nothing to do with this video. I love all the advice you give for us beginners. I have a question for you, I’m stuck man I have a lifted Ford king ranch dually and bigger aftermarket tires my 35 plus 5 gator trailer is getting build. I’m sure I would have enough clearance between the bed and the trailer. Just want to know for the long run is this safe and should I got back stock?
Definitely go back stock. You’re going to crush your suspension, the stress on these trucks is insane pulling heavyweight on these beat up roads. Your tires are going to be an issue too. Not only are they going to cost you more when you have a blowout (availability is an issue too) but you’re increasing you gear ratio by having larger tires which is going to sink your fuel mileage big time. You’ll save yourself a lot of headache by going back to stock specs.
@@LoadMizer you the man. Taking it to the shop tomorrow.
@@vincenthutchinson734 smart business move right there. You’ll learn quick in this game it’s function over looks x1,000
@@LoadMizer man dude I just appreciate guys like y’all giving that knowledge to those who what to be the best in this.
Occasionally you may need more time at the end of your 70 hours to make a trip or finish one. What you can do is edit your log, preferably at the beginning of that week and show you were off duty instead of on duty not driving. Notate as a correction. Ive never had a problem doing that except with my own conviction. Gotta do what you gotta do. Even when i was doing paper logs one dot told me what he wanted to see but do what i have to do aslong as he saw what he wanted to see.
Another good info Video
Dot book doesn't required or specify an amount of time you need to log pre/post trip inspections.
Can you work 2 different companies and surpass the 70hr rule without DOT knowing?
I showing 5 min for Pre trip.and none for post trip. I don’t show anything for loading and unloading. Fuel stop is 5 min for me.
Time is money 👍
My company requires 15 minutes per day for pre/post trip inspections. 15 minute pre trip, flag post trip. Or 7.5 minute pre trip, and 7.5 minute post trip. Gotta equal 15 minutes per day.
Everytime I go off duty while loading or unloading it tells me to rest for at least 2 hours before I go back in duty. Most of the time it never takes that long. And that time is added to on duty time. How can I fix that?
You need to change some type of parameters in your ELD settings. It shouldn’t be automatically switching between on and off duty unless you’re driving.
@@LoadMizer great thank you. My job only taught me the basics of the ELD system so I’m trying to figure it all out and report back
Like an old coach told me. If your not cheating (nothing major, just bend the rules in your favor). Your not trying to win.
Let me me guess you must be a Houston asterisk fan ? Lmao
@@TheTruelakersfan not an Houston fan. Sometimes you just have to operate in the grey area of the rules.
Amazing video,time is money
You’re a great teacher
My biggest issue right now is the weather I’m local have clc lodging so basically day one run stop at the motel closes to day two , it’s been a headache running 60 miles on chain and usually gotta do it twice in the day because of all the passes
Man 2 companies I was leased to before would edit my logs to give me plenty of driving time. Not sure how they did it but I’d sure like to know.
Anything besides the drive like can be edited. Shouldn’t be a common occurrence though and you should always be part of that conversation. Seems shady if they’re just editing it at will.
@@LoadMizer they’d tell me anytime I wanted more time they could add it for me.
@@LoadMizer they would edit the drive times too. I was pulled over for an inspection & when the officer checked my logs everything was good.
What about hauling cars? Are you on or off duty when searching and finding then loading and unloading the cars?
I do show loading and unloading. Usually about 10 minutes per car.
Great video but let me get this straight. If your waiting to be loaded or unloaded you can claim off duty?
If I’m not working I’m off duty. If I were waiting to be loaded or unloaded I’d most likely be messing around in my phone or taking a nap. In my book that’s off duty. If they’re loading/unloading me I’m not working...they are.
Good shit, so there is no way for dot to beable to tell if you loaded or unloaded yourself. Just soon as you fire back up to leave, you’ll switch to on duty.
I account for how long it takes me to strap/tarp and I’m outtie 👍
What if you drive while you’re off duty still gonna shows up for DOT let’s say you’re hours done your in sleeper birth and you drive 10 mils to next rest area but the ELD didn’t turn to driving while driving like stayed in off duty still you gonna getting trouble with DOT ??
Using the 7/3 or 8/2 split really helps
Yes it does.
Explain that. I don’t know about it
That’s the sleeper berth? How do you use it?
So In what of my day can I split my off duty and sleeper birth so I don’t have to do an entire 10 straight hours in sleeper birth?.
Thank you!
Can you go off duty or sleeper when loading or unloading?
So if I take a2hr break durring my 11hr drive shift, that 2 hrs will count towards the 10hr break???
I always get in trouble for getting load/unload off duty, disconnect from the trailer boys n girls take 2 mins to drop landing gear and air lines then pull fwd and go off duty totally legal frowned upon yes but legal.
$20 got me out of Miami on a Friday afternoon to get the forklift operator to say a extra hour past closing
$20 bucks saved you 3 days 👍
They will do that in Laredo and El Paso as well. I've had guys come in on a Sunday after offering a hundred bucks to come in just so I could grab another load from there and keep moving and get out of there. It's a small price to pay if you can pick up another load and get out of there quick.
Right on Mizer 👍
Someone get this man a snickers, he turned into hot shot Dave.
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Hey don’t forget mine. Love seeing people get fired up
I got a honest question. I’ve never used e log before. I quit driving 10 years ago and I always used loose leaf paper logs
So let’s say I take 6 hours to get somewhere that should have only taken 3. Traffic accident, weather, or whatever, caused me to take 6 hours. On paper log I could log 3 hours driving and go off duty to save that extra 3 hours I spent. And it was perfectly fine to do because mathematically it shoulda only taken 3 hours. But with E logs there’s nothing I can do about it ?
I’m thinking about going back to trucking but man those e logs worry me. I feel like I won’t be able to get anything done 🤦♂️
That's how I run my clock. Not hard. I be on point with time
Another top notch video, Load Mizer. Maybe more accurate to say- “How not to cheat yourself on your logs, legally”, but your title will actually be searched by people I’m sure, mine would not and that’s why you make videos and I don’t. I appreciate the education and knowledge that you share with your viewers, I don’t have time for anything else when I get time to watch YT. It’s kind of the point of this video, time is money and I am trying to absorb knowledge about this industry, I have been in transportation 20 years, but not this side ever, It’s like with you and hauling livestock from your “shooting the bull” live video, if/when I do get into a niche in the hotshot industry, I want to be the best at it, prepared, and conquer it because I will hate it if I don’t and there is so much information on here, some much better then others, there is time to learn. And what a monumental waste of money that would be to just jump in uninformed and underprepared. I am seeing the difference between the fictional characters and the non fictional players lately on here, thanks for teaching and being a leader in your industry, I don’t comment much, but I do follow along with some of y’all and this is one of my favorite channels and I think you keep good company with some others on here that I have heard you mention, whom I also subscribe to. But who am I, just an opinion from a random stranger really, but your content, character, and channel is appreciated.
That means a lot man, not from a jealousy aspect but just a frustration side of things lately seeing the garbage thrown out by some other channels. It’s being soaked up by 10’s of thousands of viewers and little do they know that if that’s the expectation and mentality they bring into this business that it will chew them up and spit them out flat broke within a matter of months. I can only provide the information, I can’t make people listen lol.
@@LoadMizer I can tell by your character that it is definitely not jealously and you’re right, it is absolutely frustrating and that’s because you care, honestly, I do as a driver, I feel like this is part of my fabric and I have put in time to this industry and I don’t want people screwing it up, I take pride in it and it’s not for everyone and it’s not as easy as it’s portrayed. This isn’t small time stuff, people can get hurt or hurt others, loose their family and savings, cause insurance rates to rise, cause new regulations, etc... that many people, 10’s of thousands of viewers, some with an ability to get out here, can do actual damage and some of us were here first, it’s not jealously, it’s protecting what you have already invested in with our time and energy, and really the sacrifices that we all have to make, either the ones that are on the road and for those who are at home while we’re on the road if that applies, our families. Territorial integrity. Keep it up man, your doing a great job and your videos are great.
I agree 100%. I’ve seen a lot in this industry change over the years and much of it is due to reign in the low driver quality standards that have been out it place by massive companies that churn drivers through schools like mills to fill seats. Government grants and SBA loans making it way to easy to put people behind the seat of a rolling liability with nothing than a fairy tail and misinformation to guide them.
Great video sir, got a question tho. After taking your 10 can you go on pc before doing a pre-trip or do you have to to do a pre-trip prior to taking pc?
You don’t have to do a pretrip until you’re about to start working. PC implies that you aren’t working. You don’t have to log a pretrip if you’re just running PC just make sure you’re not advancing your position to your next or current load. That’s the big deal breaker.
@@LoadMizer what if I have a load and I’m going back home to reset? and I’m not delivering that load till like three days later but the location is like three hours from my home and it was 16 hours because I came back home what can I do in that situation do I have to follow the clocks going back home to reset? Hopefully you understand my question lol
What about us rv transportation when we don’t have a back haul we can run in off duty ??
By the way I’m new on this business
Not if you’re on your way to get a new load.
Ok let’s say I go to deliver in ca from Indian and I don’t have anything on my way back To Indiana and is a weekend and I don’t have anything til Monday or Tuesday do I have to use it or I can be on off duty
By the way thanks for reply sr
If I log Off Duty at the shipper or receiver for loading or unloading, does my 14 shift time still decrease even if I’m log Off Duty??
Or does it pause?
I SEE YOU SPORTING THAT "DOWDEN TRANSPORT" CAP👀👌
Great content
What type of logging device do you use? I need to start looking into these. Thanks for all the info 👍
I’ve used a few. Track Ensure, Samsara, Keep Trucking. They all get the job done 👍
I’m asking because ill be going back to part on 3/9/22 and I need to kind of refresh my memory with the part logs 🤦🏽♂️.What would I say to DOT when they ask the reason for being off duty?. I get the part where I can just put let say 15 min on duty to save time at the shipper. Also how do I split sleeper birth and off duty?. Thanks in advance.
Believe I saw you rolling east thru the gorge on I-40 in NC yesterday....looked like you had 2 units on.
Yep that was me, snagged a third in Asheville and dropped the Audi in Durham. 👍
@@LoadMizer cool.... your unique logo on the window was what caught my eye. Good info btw.... you and I think alike. Roll safe out there.
Great minds! 🤣👍
Thank you very very much ❤
Damn time doesnt stop.. i have to wait for long hours n by the time in ready i barely have enough time to get to my destination
I hope you price the load to account for that.
Good video next time you do a live video maybe you can bring this subject up again
Does the fmcsa check your logs for the whole year or do they go back the last few months ?
You’re required to keep logs for 6 months 👍
Everything is all good. Right up until someone runs a red light and you involved in a fatality. Then you are going to learn real quick these shortcuts are going to bite you. Accident investigators are way smarter than you give them credit for. There is no legal way to cheat a log. You are either in compliance or in violation.
True to a point. Driving outside of any of the hours of service regs are what gets you pinched in court. If I spend 45 minutes at a shipper and log 10 minutes of it on duty or 40 minutes of it on duty it doesn’t change the fact that I wasn’t driving for 45 minutes. Busting the 8, 11, 14 or 70 hour rules are what can run you through the cleaners in court. This video doesn’t impact any of those rules.
@@LoadMizer It's cool man. Guys have been doing what you are doing for years. I saw first hand what happened to my buddy during a not at fault fatality investigation. It was horrible. He was above the board on everything regarding HOS. The investigators backtracked every second for months before the accident. FWIW I have been a tanker driver for over 18 years and have had carried CDL with all endorsements since the early 90's. HOS is no joke to play with.
I was in it for the long run. Attempting to get the most money by playing the HOS game is very dangerous. You are still fairly new to this so I hope my sharing will help you and others out there. Be Safe.
What if I get into an accident and now the judge is doing hard work to look into my eld??
Quick Cost per mile question. I am starting to haul i already have a truck that i have been paying on that will be paid off in 2 years. Would i figure that payment in my cost per mile or no since i am going to have the payment regardless of what i do?
Yes you will factor all operating costs into your cost per mile 👍
@@LoadMizer even though its something i have already had and not just bought to do this?
@@bryonsusedautos You should discuss this with an accountant. You should add the truck as an asset to your business at the value it was when you started using it.
Can somebody help me out with this I am a new owner operator always have work with companies log book or computer. But now I am driving my own truck and I only drive local within 60 mi radius no more than a hundred for sure do I need to run a log book
Can you reset your week at any point during your duty cycle and count as a new week?
Weeks don’t matter when it comes to hours of service. It’s based on a 70 hour limit within a rolling 8 day period. The only thing that can reset that is 34 consecutive hours off duty.
Did you stay on duty while they were loading and unloading you when you ran freight?
Nope. They were loading me. Not me lol
sleeper while unloading..
@@rollawy pc
Bruh i dont log in until after the pre trip and once im ready to hook then i log in put my status on yard loading and doesnt count as drive time unless you drive above 20mph. When you get to your location before you drop as soon as i get there boom same thing you also can go off line and drive below 4mph
I’m here because I’ll spend all morning getting unloaded then I’ll spend all afternoon getting loaded and tarped. I’ll have 4 hrs to actually run my new load when I could run 7 or 8 hrs. I feel cheated
Go off duty or sleeper birth
Let’s say i just dropped my last load for month in Texas and I’m ready to drive home for a few days and i live in michigan can i drive the whole way back home or do i still need to follow the driving time laws even though I’m off duty
Really just depends on the attitude of who inspects you if you get pulled over for it. One way around it is to label your truck anyway you can that it’s NOT FOR HIRE. I’ve used sheets of paper and a sharpie before.
@@LoadMizer would this work for company truck as well? Also in masons case would he be able to go pc since he isn’t advancing any load and is driving back home? Cause I know if you deadhead to get a trailer it has to be drive time but let’s say he goes home take a 10 he reset at home would the pc be valid or not?
I just wonders what happens if you accidentally hit the send data button to fmcsa
It’s just another option to send your logs for inspection. If you can’t send them directly to the officer then you can email them to the fmcsa server and they can access them from there.
Man I can’t thank you enough I’ll be able to drive home now and do my 34 at home 😂
You don’t need an off duty 30 minute break
I’m still not used to that rule change lol. Either way, point of it is don’t jump in and roll out if you’re close to 30 minutes, just wait a few and roll out with a fresh clock 👍
Being frugal with On-Duty time is good advice but cutting your 10 short without logging it is bad advice.
Real talk!
Great advice big bro thanks for the video, and stay safe out there 💪.
Same to you and thank you! 👍
@@LoadMizer will do 👍