8:54 I’m just getting started in this video but I’m already disappointed and need to say my peace. I’ve been ARMY for 9 years. While I’m not exactly a Stay, I really enjoy their music and the guys themselves seem incredibly nice, talented, funny and very hard working. Now. Any “ARMY” that is participating in this plagiarizing sh!t is either baby ARMY or just ignorant. BTS was dragged for YEARS for everything they did for being plagiarism. To the point where #plagerismboys was trending worldwide on that damn bird app. We, of all people would or should never pull this petty, unfounded garbage on another artist. Stays, I apologize and I can only hope that you understand most ARMY a) would never do this b) don’t believe this and most importantly c) we don’t claim them. Taming the children and the solos is exhausting, and we can’t frequently manage it, but we do try and we are sorry about their problematic a@@es. 💜
As a stay, I'm always delighted to see other fandoms being nice and supportive to skz. We stays need to remember that even if it feels like other fandoms are against us, it's really just a loud minority, and most people just quietly enjoy what they like. Stanning doesn't need to be a competition, we dont need to tear each other down, we can be good to each other ❤️
I'm hardcore army and I fully agree with this message. Leave these boys alone. The worst part is that Chan and JK are literally same age friends, and it's so irritating that the fans are always at war over nothing when these boys like and respect each other.
25:40 I don't understand this complaint tbh. The songs weren't written for this album, they were written to be performed on tour. It would make zero sense for all 8 of them to do a solo hiphop track. And we already heard the songs and knew what they were, so why would you now expect them to fit the hiphop theme? The new tracks were hiphop inspired and the rest was just a compilation. That's why it was called a special album in the first place. I do understand the frustration though of it being called a special album, but being treated like a regular comeback, but also not. It was certainly a weird release. Regardless, I really enjoyed it. And good job putting the video together!
The most best song this year for me is bounce back, because that is a very underrated track. Just because people keep downplaying Han or giving him credits where its due. He really did a double quintuplet on that track so it def. deserves its respect ❤
Armies are always jealous of Stray Kids and spew hatred on every social media. STAYS., please do not retaliate. Just ignore them just like Chan asked us to do.
As a person who also tries to keep away from the nonsense on twitter, it speaks volumes that this kinda bullshit has been unavoidable in official comment sections of other platforms. Thank you for covering and debunking it as throughly as possible, though frankly it shouldn't have been necessary and most likely it won't reach those that would need it. I gotta say the vitriol this (LOUD) minority of armys has been having for Stray Kids is so weird to me, these groups share a few similarities but are different in SO many ways. Fans of the biggest group in the world should not be so bothered by the existence of a successful junior. Agreed with your thoughts for pretty much every song, especially the (already underrated as far as I'm concerned) jewel that is Bounce Back. I really found my favorite review channel here
Its so interesting to see so many different opinions here. Seems like everyone has a different way of ranking their favourite tracks, and different opinions on their quality and where they sit in skz's discography. We really are a diverse fanbase 😅
I get a somewhat unique situation that gives insight to both sides. I am STAY, and my wife is ARMY. So we first hand discuss what's going on in our fandoms. We're honest where our fandoms fall short and can be toxic. We can give insight on the politics and weak points. We don't always agree with each other on certain things, but it never gets out of hand. One thing we both agree to do is try to set our own fandoms straight whenever possible. Being firm but gentle with our own fandoms while also pointing out our Ults amazing talent, which is the reason we're all here in both groups. We aren't here to bash other groups, especially since neither BTS, Stray Kids, or any other group generally are out to down each other. I mean really, they are friends with so many groups. Like Bang Chan with Jungkook or their overall enjoyment with ATEEZ (not to mention Changbin being the extra in every girl group😂) We also have to remember ages. So much of STAY is actually quite young. We're talking as young as 10-12 that are active on social media. Knowing that the bulk of fans are still in their teens or very early 20's you can see where being overly sensitive and passionate can be a thing. Most of ARMY is in their 20-30's. As many in ARMY say, BTS dealt with many of the same accusations. They had to fight like hell with others in their generation and with 1st and 2nd gen dissing the color of their music. Even worse were the attacks on individual members. Then we have to remember the Sasaengs and full on Antis. They infiltrate all fandoms. Some make it their mission to enter fandoms to try and sow discord. They like to energize the younger bases into a protective frenzy, especially when they are too young to articulate their feelings and struggle with their own validation taking things as a personal insult due to their strong feelings and connections with their groups. They'll prey on older members bias since they know that's where they are weakest. They'll use half facts and misinformation knowing that older members of fandoms can't pay an insane amount of time on researching the truth because they have jobs, relationships kids, and real world problems to deal with. So getting angry/annoyed without taking the time to really find out what's going on is easier and less time consuming. Or clicking like and agree on the nonsense on general just because it's something that happens to have BTS' name on the post. Passions run higher in Kpop fandoms as a rule because of how much access we have to our idols. With social media, even more of their presence influences us to feel personal connections. This also can cause problems because we feel so much closer to our idols than we actually are. Additionally we feel so much love from many of our groups because they address us directly. This creates an awesome community for fans and intense unity. One thing we all need to remember as fans is that these groups don't NEED us to legitimate them legally. If there is real plagiarism in music, lyrics, dance, style, or anything else....they have people for that. So unless there is legal action taken for that, it's going to be nonsense for the most part. There are only so many sounds, words, movements, and structure of style that can exist. Sometimes, things sound or look similar. Some things are just influence from things around them. Leave the legal problems to professionals. Make movements over things that matter more. Ultimately, each fandom is responsible for policing themselves and supporting its members. We need to teach each other how to see bs for what it is and reign in more fanatical individuals in comments as well as creators who make it their mission to whip up animosity for clicks for the algorithm. Anyways, this wordy response comes from a guy who is in his late 40's with an ARMY wife who is in her late 50's. (Also, I have brought my mom of 78 into Stayville on accident 😭 she is even now making a concerted effort to learn about SKZ's members and roles etc 😂 Her favorite song is Venom 🕷🕸) The point being we are of all ages, background, maturity, and stages of fans. We need to work on understanding, supporting, and disciplining each other to create a healthy environment that our idols can be proud of. TLDR: 1. Wife (ARMY) and I (STAY) discuss our fandoms. 2. Our fandoms need to do better. 3. emember, we have old and young members. 4. Beware Sasaengs and Antis.
Fun fact: U was recorded before or during rock star era (can’t remember the time) -IN vocie reminds me of a more electronic if that makes sense version of taemins tone. Hallucination gave me danger vibes -also hold my hand is a happy song lol no need to cry 😭🙏 -i also thought life is so good was the weakest solo but it was still really fun. I wish he would tell us why life is so good? -these are hip hop songs btw idk if you’ve ever listened to old school or rock hip but this is easily 60-70% hip hop. It’s just not a crazy rap. -1.hold my hand, 2. As we are 3. Railroad 4. Unfair 5.hallucination 6. Youth 7. Ultra 8.life is so good (based on how much I’ve listened to each song -1.bounce back 2. Walk-in on water 3. U ft tablo Sorry a lengthy comment but I was adding as I listened. I think I can say I disagree with a lot of the things you said after watching like 20 other videos on this comeback but yeah it makes sense how you would think this album would go on replay but in my opinion it was just rushed. It seems like you said a expiremental release which is why it’s labeled a special album. Still i think it was a good time to release a project like this bc it’s strictly advertised to stays who keep up with them. Kpop fans probs don’t keep up with other groups during the holidays (me) Some thing I do wish in the future is that we get more of walk-in on water and bounce back. I had mix feeling on walking on water but I’ve listened to the song for like 3 hour since its came out 💀it’s grown on me a lot and I’ve excepted it as a silly hip hop song that’s fun. HAN NEEDS TO RELEASE THE Exploct ver of bounce back the money I would pay… I need the industry (jype) to just let them say cus words atleast on besides their already cussing live 😞
The comment is well thought, the analysis is great and I am signing a non-existent petition for the Bounce Back explicit version release, ver one or whatever name it may have. The released one is fire and my love for hip hop is enjoying it and every beat it contains, still, would go crazy just to hear the original version of the track even once. Still couldn’t figure out my top list, every song has something to it, especially in the production value, just the sounds alone make me start loving the tracks again and again. I would love to name them all. So the vague top faves are Walking on Water (Hip), U, Bounce Back, As We Are, Railways (not in the stated order). The other ones are still at the top for me nonetheless, can’t figure it out yet. As I start thinking of it, the tracks have so many tiny details I can not leave out of the equation (Hallucination, Ultra, So Good, Youth) and the vibes and senses (Unfair, Hold My Hand), so they confuse me even more, I just stick to not choosing the faves with this release. Their mixing and arrangement of EVERY track on the album is on another level so I just keep on listening to hear more and more.
Gracias por este video!! estoy contigo, el drama es demasiado y completamente ridículo!! Y sinceramente creo que lo único que a veces provocan este tipo de "pleitos" es que las personas no fans del genero crean que todos los si fans son iguales
12:05 im new to your channel so i haven't watched your review on chk chk boom, but personally i feel completely opposite about the completeness of the song. i felt that chk chk boom felt more complete compared to wow but that's just my opinion hahaha i just found it interesting that we had completely different opinions my ranking of the solo songs (completely based on my tastes and my opinions): 1. As We Are - Seungmin (tearjerker T^T) 2. Hold My Hand - Han (hanpop on top) 3. Youth - Lee Know 4. Hallucination - I.N 5. Ultra - Changbin 6. Railway - Chan 7. Life is So Good - Hyunjin 8. Unfair - Felix
Thank you for giving a good overview/explanation of the nonsense - the amount of misinformation floating around has been really annoying - I also don't use twitter anymore, but I still ran into it. As to the album itself, I very much enjoyed it. Given that I knew the solos were going to be on it, I didn't have any expectations of it being a full hip-hop album (though, tbh, I personally wouldn't really want that), so I wasn't disappointed in that aspect. I also preferred Bounce Back, but Walkin' on Water totally grew on me (I might also like the hip version a tiny bit better, but really, both are good). I loved U, and didn't think it was out of place, but I don't really put a lot of importance on 'cohesion' in an album. I do disagree on your ranking of the solo songs (Railway would still be top, but Hyunjin's song is up there for me), but such is personal preference. All the songs were good. Anyway, thank you for the video!
honestly, i have my fave tracks in hop album but its top 5 for now which are walkin on water, railway, hallucination, youth and ultra. I don't have an idea for the other tracks just yet since I'm still torn
(edited a while after: the Harry Potter line grew on me 😂 I'm on board now) Changbin is my bias, but the Harry Potter line 😂 yeah, I cringe-laughed. Also, I kind of disagree with U being "not super out of place", it feels mega out of place for me and it's a skip for me every time it comes along because of that, it takes me out of the vibe. Maybe I'll give it a chance by listening to it outside of the context of the album :) But overall I absolutely love love love this album, and I'm saying that as someone who didn't really gel with Ate or Giant much, so I was biting my nails before the release. I can't stop bopping my head to like 90% of it, and the solos are amazing ❤ One thing I wish skz would stop doing lyrically though, is or other variations of . You've proven how awesome you are by now, I want to hear the next chapter of that. I get that lyrics like that are part of their general hiphop background, but for me it's getting a little stale.
Es que normalmente las canciones principales se tratan de eso pero diferente significado en gods menu usan metáforas y juegos de palabras y hablan de su música, Thunderous si hablan de ellos,Maniac habla de esta bien ser raro,case143 habla del enamoramiento, sclass habla de lo populares que se están volviendo,Chk Chk boom habla más de que los subestimaban y gracias a ello está aquí pero con trabajo en equipo sin dejar de ser ellos,giant habla de trabajo en equipo y walkin on water habla sobre que simplemente no les importa lo que digan de ellos, ellos saben lo que hacen. Así prácticamente hablan de cosas diferentes pero cada quien le pone su perspectiva personalmente no me parece que se parezcan pero eso depende del significado y perspectiva que tú le quieras dar si le quieres dar el significado de que todas son iguales pues todas van a ser iguales y si le quieres dar significado diferente entonces cada un es diferente
@@Lizzy.v_r I see what you mean, but for me ultimately the following songs are kind of the same/similar in terms of message: Thunderous, S-class, God's Menu, Mountains, Giant, Walking On Water, Super Bowl and errr honestly probably forgot a few. Like I said, I get that this kind of posturing is part of 3racha's hiphop background, but it's time for the next chapter. You know, like how G-dragon doesn't have to prove himself because everyone already knows he can back it up so he drops Power; still a bit of posturing but not for its own sake. Stray Kids need to find what their version of Power is, because they've honestly already proven they're big enough to back it up.
I kind of wonder if Han wrote that Harry Potter line since he is the Potter fan and later talks about basilisk. If you watch AndyandJas review of the song, they give an explanation of the meaning of that line since they're Potter fans. I never finished one of those books, so the explanation went over my head.
*havent fully watched the video yet but the whole album gave me a whiplash (shoutout to aespa) they called it a special album for a reason i guess. after walkin on water and bounce back none of the songs make sense to be in the one and same album but its just the members solo they performed in concerts put together in an album. they could have released it as skz player mixtape and called it a day but i guess albums makes more money. i wish theyd have released 12 hip hop infused soundtracks instead. i just wish theyd calm down a bit and stop releasing albums i am not a new stay but i do keep tabs on them and the amount of content they put out- i never witnessed that from any group i cared about
Es un álbum especial porque lo quisieron hacer por diversión y como regalo a las fans esto estaba planeado desde el año pasado en otro video y se confirmó cuando salió el álbum ya que como tal no se si va a tener promociones como un álbum normal capaz es porque eres oyente casual pero a ellos les gusta estar subiendo música seguido porque lo toman como diversión o les gusta demasiado por eso este año sacaron mucha música y 3 álbumes 2 ,ellos normalmente sacan 2 álbumes por año y como7 canciones sueltas pero muchas canciones sueltas que hacen son por diversión la mayoría de los skzplayer son de han,chan,bin y seungmin son los que más les gusta y divierte y pues como ya dije fue como un regalo de navidad para stay
not super important but i find it an interesting topic: the amount of content Stray kids put out is pretty average tbh, they were overall a bit busier earlier in their career. 2019 for example where they released 3 albums with music video's for almost all tracks, preperations for and the start of a world tour, SKZ code etc. While they were definitely still busy this year, they seem to be taking more time for themselves compared to them back then and also other groups now. Enhypen for exaple released 3 albums this year and were touring (2 seperate world tours) for most of the year while keeping up with personal content, vlogs, en-o'clock, variety show appearences, kcon, MAMA and multiple other festivals and award shows. Zerobaseone had a similarly busy schedule with 3 korean albums, 2 japanese releases, a world tour, zbtving, multiple fan-cons, multiple festivals, every award show of the year (exept mma because the were touring that day) and more. I'm only replying because this topic intrigues me so i definitly hope that i don't come off as rude :)
@if I’m going to be honest enhypen and stray kids were worked around the same amount but enhypen more bc of constant tours. Stray kids literally started promoting giant album giant 2 months after ate and than started hop (it broke a record for quickest comeback) 2 days after. Every song on hop except for U and bounce back will have a MV. Giant has 2 MV. ATE has 4. They did 4 songs for ost this year. Performed at billboard, Ate world tour, and a lot of other things I rather just make a video about… it’s more than before just bc of the timing between things. I hope they get breaks. Txt is getting a break but I desperately hope enhypen does to there was no reason for sm to make them release so many albums than do tours.
Armies are trying to hating skz hardly because of this song, meanwhile skz this is trending worldwide 😂 i want to say BTS RM's speech - Haters gonna hate, players gonna play 💀
I'm kinda sad that my fav of the more recent SKZ albums "ATE" and also my favorite title since Maniac "Chk Chk Boom" getting lowkey roasted but this is also one of my favorite part of the community. Everyone has different tastes in music and the fact that I don't like a SKZ song doesn't mean it's bad. They experiment with so many genres and will continue to do so. Personally, HOP wasn't for me. The songs I loved were Hold My Hand (There just isn't one single Han Jisung song out there that failed me) and Railway. I also liked Bounce Back and As We Are but I don't really know how often I would return back to listen to them in the future.
i did enjoy the cb. skz released like a song/ week this year including skz records and all the osts in kr and jpn. that’s a lot of music, especially as they write and compose all/ most of their work. the time it takes to finish a song is probably in the tens if not hundreds of hours so i understand why they might make a song under 3 minutes. to me the time doesn’t matter as long as the track feels finished/ cohesive. there were some amazing songs on this album i keep returning to bounce back, walking on water hip ver and u. hallucination, railway and hold my hand are my solo song faves. i feel like due their insane schedules/ them just being overworked means they might not have all the time they would in an ideal word want to spend on a track. chan has over 200 komca credits in under 7 yrs. that’s over 28 songs/ year and it’s so impressive, even feels a little insane. if jype wouldn’t be so hellbent on making as much money as possible out of skz, i’d suggest not putting an emphasis on how many albums they release in a year. skz make amazing music, i know myself and stay would happily wait for it. i will always prioritize their health over their work and output 💖 sry i kinda just yapped a bunch. i hope u got what i was going for in the end 😣
Este álbum osea HOP fue como regalo especial ya que es un álbum especial en cambio ellos normalmente por año suben 2 álbumes y de 7-10 canciones sueltas ya sean osts,soundtrack,ED,OP o skzrecord
I’m ARMY, I’ve got it tattooed on my chest, but during this break, Stray kids have been keeping me really entertained and happy and I really don’t see a reason to make blames out out of something that’s not even a problem. Chan has always praised BTS, I would dare to say he’s an example of leadership, as much as Namjoon is. This men are out here trying their hardest, and sacrificing a lot to be good rol models to their fans, and I’m sure this is not what they would expect from you. Don’t be petty, and remember when BTS was given the same treatment in the past. Do better.
By the way, `Cheese´ is one of my favorite SKs’ songs, I had never made a connection to Butter ever 😂hahahaha Just the nature, style, and INTENTION of both song are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! `Butter´is a fun summer truck for global masses with and R&B funk sound, `cheese’ is a hip hop diss track for haters 😅
People hate Giant? I have identical observations about the title U and bounce back. The only thing I would switch about the solos rankings is Youth and As we are places but ALL of your remarks were on point. I have just one but that I have noticed. When Hyunjin produces without 3racha member his songs are boring, disjointed and unpolished. I also find Unfairs lyrics a bit too simple. I'm afraid that is just Lixes style coz deep was similar. We will see in the future
As for the album being all over the place - I think it was deliberate. They didn't know if fans would like the full hh album so the sprinkled solos and from the streams count i gather they were right. HH skz has its fans but its not the majority of the fandom. As a fan of most of their experimentations - i completely don't mind this albums structure
gods this controversy... don't get me wrong i think bts are cool and all but i know the reputation SOME armys have and i don't want to be associated with that, especially after they drag my ults for something stupid like this lmao
The part in question is original composition by two of the BTS rap line. I think it is a similar progression. But calling it plagiarism is pushing it. ARMY hasn’t been the same on that app since solos took over and chased out a lot of OG ARMYs.
😆😆😆😆😆 im so sorry but this genuinely made me cackle so thank you for that Stray kids is wireshread's ultimate fav Kpop group, I assume stray kids has a special place in this channel's heart, thus I can kinda expect this channel to love/ "be obsessed" with whatever stray kids music or news come out
Cos their god is bts and they will die defending them. And also they don't care about their life and think defending their faves and putting down other groups will give them money. @ffx-icis.19
While both parts are super similar and probably inspired that section in 1 one or another, I assume this was intentionally done to perk up other ears, after all why not cause chaos for gain ykw
Totally agree with the Walkin’ on Water Hip version by being experimental and more exaggerated makes it less liked in a sense. As for U, even though it may not fit generally for the album, it still FITS. To me, it’s a great expansion from “I Like It” and it merges great with “Hip Hop” album with TABLO being in it too. At some point, I thought they wanted to release U instead of I Like It, but the overall feeling of the song for the ATE album wasn’t it, so they postponed it till now. As for sure, I think they had more than one album project already in mind. Even though leaving us confused and uncertain for quite some time made it feel like a fever dream. Even considering the total feeling for the album itself, hip hop based tracks and vastly different solo songs wouldn’t go together as good as they do, without U breaking them in the middle. They thought it through. As a Twitter free person as well, hearing “butter and cheese” controversy made me laugh hysterically, I’ve heard it before, but never knew the context it implied. There are too many food related Kpop songs nowadays then.. who started the theme though. As for Harry Potter part, I cringe (laughing) every time I hear it, but I expected it, especially in the title. They have a good scope of mentions they do, so Harry Potter and Aquaman are not something exceptionally random, but the choice of Harry Potter is hilarious every time you hear it. Would love to hear more with Hip Hop concept “only” in mind, they do it so well, and other genres too. I was quite confused with what exactly HOP is for some time. i understood it as a skz-replay, but with a twist not only to release already fan favorite tracks, but to create something they enjoy as a group and on their own. So, the explanations of the album do it justice (+ they usually dive into it mostly for the title tracks ), the thing that lacks, is clarity in what that album exactly is. But as i understand based on the given info, it is a new project, so there should be more to come in “their genre” (I may be wrong, or misunderstanding something) Still the album sounds fresh and the layout is different compared to their other albums (and because the songs are solos mostly). hope they will keep changing it in the new releases.
Tbh i don't think stray kids can master saying the word fuck in a song (even tho ill admit on topline i think they ended up just saying it anyways). i think theyll end up making the word called "fuck" even more cringe and i don't think i can handle that much teenage testosterone angst they have when they say fuck cuz of the association they have with jype (who i feel create songs for moreso the tweens and teen soundscape)
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8:54 I’m just getting started in this video but I’m already disappointed and need to say my peace. I’ve been ARMY for 9 years. While I’m not exactly a Stay, I really enjoy their music and the guys themselves seem incredibly nice, talented, funny and very hard working. Now. Any “ARMY” that is participating in this plagiarizing sh!t is either baby ARMY or just ignorant. BTS was dragged for YEARS for everything they did for being plagiarism. To the point where #plagerismboys was trending worldwide on that damn bird app. We, of all people would or should never pull this petty, unfounded garbage on another artist. Stays, I apologize and I can only hope that you understand most ARMY a) would never do this b) don’t believe this and most importantly c) we don’t claim them. Taming the children and the solos is exhausting, and we can’t frequently manage it, but we do try and we are sorry about their problematic a@@es. 💜
i love u for that
doing god's work 🙏
As a stay, I'm always delighted to see other fandoms being nice and supportive to skz. We stays need to remember that even if it feels like other fandoms are against us, it's really just a loud minority, and most people just quietly enjoy what they like. Stanning doesn't need to be a competition, we dont need to tear each other down, we can be good to each other ❤️
I'm hardcore army and I fully agree with this message. Leave these boys alone. The worst part is that Chan and JK are literally same age friends, and it's so irritating that the fans are always at war over nothing when these boys like and respect each other.
This is the same thing I've been saying
This whole it's giving Express Yourself vs. Born This Way for me. Like why do we have to put two queens agaisnt each other, They're both fun songs?
25:40 I don't understand this complaint tbh. The songs weren't written for this album, they were written to be performed on tour. It would make zero sense for all 8 of them to do a solo hiphop track. And we already heard the songs and knew what they were, so why would you now expect them to fit the hiphop theme? The new tracks were hiphop inspired and the rest was just a compilation. That's why it was called a special album in the first place. I do understand the frustration though of it being called a special album, but being treated like a regular comeback, but also not. It was certainly a weird release. Regardless, I really enjoyed it. And good job putting the video together!
As I an Armystay, I am in love with both groups and both songs and love their members and their dynamics.
The most best song this year for me is bounce back, because that is a very underrated track. Just because people keep downplaying Han or giving him credits where its due. He really did a double quintuplet on that track so it def. deserves its respect ❤
Armies are always jealous of Stray Kids and spew hatred on every social media.
STAYS., please do not retaliate. Just ignore them just like Chan asked us to do.
Railway actually gave me chills and goosebumps, it’s up there for me too.
As a person who also tries to keep away from the nonsense on twitter, it speaks volumes that this kinda bullshit has been unavoidable in official comment sections of other platforms. Thank you for covering and debunking it as throughly as possible, though frankly it shouldn't have been necessary and most likely it won't reach those that would need it.
I gotta say the vitriol this (LOUD) minority of armys has been having for Stray Kids is so weird to me, these groups share a few similarities but are different in SO many ways. Fans of the biggest group in the world should not be so bothered by the existence of a successful junior.
Agreed with your thoughts for pretty much every song, especially the (already underrated as far as I'm concerned) jewel that is Bounce Back. I really found my favorite review channel here
Its so interesting to see so many different opinions here. Seems like everyone has a different way of ranking their favourite tracks, and different opinions on their quality and where they sit in skz's discography. We really are a diverse fanbase 😅
It was and is always that way and I think it is one of the best things about their fanbase and discography. There is everything for everyone
I get a somewhat unique situation that gives insight to both sides. I am STAY, and my wife is ARMY. So we first hand discuss what's going on in our fandoms. We're honest where our fandoms fall short and can be toxic. We can give insight on the politics and weak points. We don't always agree with each other on certain things, but it never gets out of hand.
One thing we both agree to do is try to set our own fandoms straight whenever possible. Being firm but gentle with our own fandoms while also pointing out our Ults amazing talent, which is the reason we're all here in both groups. We aren't here to bash other groups, especially since neither BTS, Stray Kids, or any other group generally are out to down each other. I mean really, they are friends with so many groups. Like Bang Chan with Jungkook or their overall enjoyment with ATEEZ (not to mention Changbin being the extra in every girl group😂)
We also have to remember ages. So much of STAY is actually quite young. We're talking as young as 10-12 that are active on social media. Knowing that the bulk of fans are still in their teens or very early 20's you can see where being overly sensitive and passionate can be a thing.
Most of ARMY is in their 20-30's. As many in ARMY say, BTS dealt with many of the same accusations. They had to fight like hell with others in their generation and with 1st and 2nd gen dissing the color of their music. Even worse were the attacks on individual members.
Then we have to remember the Sasaengs and full on Antis. They infiltrate all fandoms. Some make it their mission to enter fandoms to try and sow discord. They like to energize the younger bases into a protective frenzy, especially when they are too young to articulate their feelings and struggle with their own validation taking things as a personal insult due to their strong feelings and connections with their groups.
They'll prey on older members bias since they know that's where they are weakest. They'll use half facts and misinformation knowing that older members of fandoms can't pay an insane amount of time on researching the truth because they have jobs, relationships kids, and real world problems to deal with. So getting angry/annoyed without taking the time to really find out what's going on is easier and less time consuming. Or clicking like and agree on the nonsense on general just because it's something that happens to have BTS' name on the post.
Passions run higher in Kpop fandoms as a rule because of how much access we have to our idols. With social media, even more of their presence influences us to feel personal connections. This also can cause problems because we feel so much closer to our idols than we actually are. Additionally we feel so much love from many of our groups because they address us directly. This creates an awesome community for fans and intense unity.
One thing we all need to remember as fans is that these groups don't NEED us to legitimate them legally. If there is real plagiarism in music, lyrics, dance, style, or anything else....they have people for that. So unless there is legal action taken for that, it's going to be nonsense for the most part. There are only so many sounds, words, movements, and structure of style that can exist. Sometimes, things sound or look similar. Some things are just influence from things around them. Leave the legal problems to professionals. Make movements over things that matter more.
Ultimately, each fandom is responsible for policing themselves and supporting its members. We need to teach each other how to see bs for what it is and reign in more fanatical individuals in comments as well as creators who make it their mission to whip up animosity for clicks for the algorithm.
Anyways, this wordy response comes from a guy who is in his late 40's with an ARMY wife who is in her late 50's. (Also, I have brought my mom of 78 into Stayville on accident 😭 she is even now making a concerted effort to learn about SKZ's members and roles etc 😂 Her favorite song is Venom 🕷🕸) The point being we are of all ages, background, maturity, and stages of fans. We need to work on understanding, supporting, and disciplining each other to create a healthy environment that our idols can be proud of.
TLDR:
1. Wife (ARMY) and I (STAY) discuss our fandoms.
2. Our fandoms need to do better. 3. emember, we have old and young members.
4. Beware Sasaengs and Antis.
Fun fact: U was recorded before or during rock star era (can’t remember the time)
-IN vocie reminds me of a more electronic if that makes sense version of taemins tone. Hallucination gave me danger vibes
-also hold my hand is a happy song lol no need to cry 😭🙏
-i also thought life is so good was the weakest solo but it was still really fun. I wish he would tell us why life is so good?
-these are hip hop songs btw idk if you’ve ever listened to old school or rock hip but this is easily 60-70% hip hop. It’s just not a crazy rap.
-1.hold my hand, 2. As we are 3. Railroad 4. Unfair 5.hallucination 6. Youth 7. Ultra 8.life is so good (based on how much I’ve listened to each song
-1.bounce back 2. Walk-in on water 3. U ft tablo
Sorry a lengthy comment but I was adding as I listened. I think I can say I disagree with a lot of the things you said after watching like 20 other videos on this comeback but yeah it makes sense how you would think this album would go on replay but in my opinion it was just rushed. It seems like you said a expiremental release which is why it’s labeled a special album. Still i think it was a good time to release a project like this bc it’s strictly advertised to stays who keep up with them. Kpop fans probs don’t keep up with other groups during the holidays (me)
Some thing I do wish in the future is that we get more of walk-in on water and bounce back. I had mix feeling on walking on water but I’ve listened to the song for like 3 hour since its came out 💀it’s grown on me a lot and I’ve excepted it as a silly hip hop song that’s fun. HAN NEEDS TO RELEASE THE Exploct ver of bounce back the money I would pay… I need the industry (jype) to just let them say cus words atleast on besides their already cussing live 😞
Help why’s the comment so long anyways I guess it’s because i really liked this vid thanks! Love to discuss stray kids
The comment is well thought, the analysis is great and I am signing a non-existent petition for the Bounce Back explicit version release, ver one or whatever name it may have. The released one is fire and my love for hip hop is enjoying it and every beat it contains, still, would go crazy just to hear the original version of the track even once.
Still couldn’t figure out my top list, every song has something to it, especially in the production value, just the sounds alone make me start loving the tracks again and again. I would love to name them all.
So the vague top faves are Walking on Water (Hip), U, Bounce Back, As We Are, Railways (not in the stated order). The other ones are still at the top for me nonetheless, can’t figure it out yet. As I start thinking of it, the tracks have so many tiny details I can not leave out of the equation (Hallucination, Ultra, So Good, Youth) and the vibes and senses (Unfair, Hold My Hand), so they confuse me even more, I just stick to not choosing the faves with this release. Their mixing and arrangement of EVERY track on the album is on another level so I just keep on listening to hear more and more.
@@wandby7090 same no favs but definitely ones ive listened to constantly . How do i sign for the petition
8:26 BAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I LAUGHED OUT LOUD I AM WHEEZING THIS IS SO STUPID
Gracias por este video!! estoy contigo, el drama es demasiado y completamente ridículo!! Y sinceramente creo que lo único que a veces provocan este tipo de "pleitos" es que las personas no fans del genero crean que todos los si fans son iguales
12:05 im new to your channel so i haven't watched your review on chk chk boom, but personally i feel completely opposite about the completeness of the song. i felt that chk chk boom felt more complete compared to wow but that's just my opinion hahaha i just found it interesting that we had completely different opinions
my ranking of the solo songs (completely based on my tastes and my opinions):
1. As We Are - Seungmin (tearjerker T^T)
2. Hold My Hand - Han (hanpop on top)
3. Youth - Lee Know
4. Hallucination - I.N
5. Ultra - Changbin
6. Railway - Chan
7. Life is So Good - Hyunjin
8. Unfair - Felix
Thank you for giving a good overview/explanation of the nonsense - the amount of misinformation floating around has been really annoying - I also don't use twitter anymore, but I still ran into it. As to the album itself, I very much enjoyed it. Given that I knew the solos were going to be on it, I didn't have any expectations of it being a full hip-hop album (though, tbh, I personally wouldn't really want that), so I wasn't disappointed in that aspect. I also preferred Bounce Back, but Walkin' on Water totally grew on me (I might also like the hip version a tiny bit better, but really, both are good). I loved U, and didn't think it was out of place, but I don't really put a lot of importance on 'cohesion' in an album. I do disagree on your ranking of the solo songs (Railway would still be top, but Hyunjin's song is up there for me), but such is personal preference. All the songs were good. Anyway, thank you for the video!
Sooo sooo soo many valid points that i agree with..!! Loveee the video ❤
honestly, i have my fave tracks in hop album but its top 5 for now which are walkin on water, railway, hallucination, youth and ultra. I don't have an idea for the other tracks just yet since I'm still torn
Harry Potter....referring to a well respected rapper and the fact that Changbin is a Wizard at what he does...... you're a Wizard Harry.
I feel like a lot of people make it seem like the whole song sounds similair to jump, while it's totally different 😭
also I even think that they might have made it on purpose so that the song naybe gets more attention
(edited a while after: the Harry Potter line grew on me 😂 I'm on board now)
Changbin is my bias, but the Harry Potter line 😂 yeah, I cringe-laughed.
Also, I kind of disagree with U being "not super out of place", it feels mega out of place for me and it's a skip for me every time it comes along because of that, it takes me out of the vibe. Maybe I'll give it a chance by listening to it outside of the context of the album :)
But overall I absolutely love love love this album, and I'm saying that as someone who didn't really gel with Ate or Giant much, so I was biting my nails before the release. I can't stop bopping my head to like 90% of it, and the solos are amazing ❤
One thing I wish skz would stop doing lyrically though, is or other variations of . You've proven how awesome you are by now, I want to hear the next chapter of that. I get that lyrics like that are part of their general hiphop background, but for me it's getting a little stale.
Es que normalmente las canciones principales se tratan de eso pero diferente significado en gods menu usan metáforas y juegos de palabras y hablan de su música, Thunderous si hablan de ellos,Maniac habla de esta bien ser raro,case143 habla del enamoramiento, sclass habla de lo populares que se están volviendo,Chk Chk boom habla más de que los subestimaban y gracias a ello está aquí pero con trabajo en equipo sin dejar de ser ellos,giant habla de trabajo en equipo y walkin on water habla sobre que simplemente no les importa lo que digan de ellos, ellos saben lo que hacen. Así prácticamente hablan de cosas diferentes pero cada quien le pone su perspectiva personalmente no me parece que se parezcan pero eso depende del significado y perspectiva que tú le quieras dar si le quieres dar el significado de que todas son iguales pues todas van a ser iguales y si le quieres dar significado diferente entonces cada un es diferente
@@Lizzy.v_r I see what you mean, but for me ultimately the following songs are kind of the same/similar in terms of message: Thunderous, S-class, God's Menu, Mountains, Giant, Walking On Water, Super Bowl and errr honestly probably forgot a few. Like I said, I get that this kind of posturing is part of 3racha's hiphop background, but it's time for the next chapter. You know, like how G-dragon doesn't have to prove himself because everyone already knows he can back it up so he drops Power; still a bit of posturing but not for its own sake. Stray Kids need to find what their version of Power is, because they've honestly already proven they're big enough to back it up.
I kind of wonder if Han wrote that Harry Potter line since he is the Potter fan and later talks about basilisk. If you watch AndyandJas review of the song, they give an explanation of the meaning of that line since they're Potter fans. I never finished one of those books, so the explanation went over my head.
*havent fully watched the video yet
but the whole album gave me a whiplash (shoutout to aespa) they called it a special album for a reason i guess. after walkin on water and bounce back none of the songs make sense to be in the one and same album but its just the members solo they performed in concerts put together in an album. they could have released it as skz player mixtape and called it a day but i guess albums makes more money. i wish theyd have released 12 hip hop infused soundtracks instead. i just wish theyd calm down a bit and stop releasing albums i am not a new stay but i do keep tabs on them and the amount of content they put out- i never witnessed that from any group i cared about
Technically this isn’t a regular album it’s a mixtape or “special album”
Es un álbum especial porque lo quisieron hacer por diversión y como regalo a las fans esto estaba planeado desde el año pasado en otro video y se confirmó cuando salió el álbum ya que como tal no se si va a tener promociones como un álbum normal capaz es porque eres oyente casual pero a ellos les gusta estar subiendo música seguido porque lo toman como diversión o les gusta demasiado por eso este año sacaron mucha música y 3 álbumes 2 ,ellos normalmente sacan 2 álbumes por año y como7 canciones sueltas pero muchas canciones sueltas que hacen son por diversión la mayoría de los skzplayer son de han,chan,bin y seungmin son los que más les gusta y divierte y pues como ya dije fue como un regalo de navidad para stay
not super important but i find it an interesting topic: the amount of content Stray kids put out is pretty average tbh, they were overall a bit busier earlier in their career. 2019 for example where they released 3 albums with music video's for almost all tracks, preperations for and the start of a world tour, SKZ code etc. While they were definitely still busy this year, they seem to be taking more time for themselves compared to them back then and also other groups now. Enhypen for exaple released 3 albums this year and were touring (2 seperate world tours) for most of the year while keeping up with personal content, vlogs, en-o'clock, variety show appearences, kcon, MAMA and multiple other festivals and award shows. Zerobaseone had a similarly busy schedule with 3 korean albums, 2 japanese releases, a world tour, zbtving, multiple fan-cons, multiple festivals, every award show of the year (exept mma because the were touring that day) and more. I'm only replying because this topic intrigues me so i definitly hope that i don't come off as rude :)
@if I’m going to be honest enhypen and stray kids were worked around the same amount but enhypen more bc of constant tours. Stray kids literally started promoting giant album giant 2 months after ate and than started hop (it broke a record for quickest comeback) 2 days after. Every song on hop except for U and bounce back will have a MV. Giant has 2 MV. ATE has 4. They did 4 songs for ost this year. Performed at billboard, Ate world tour, and a lot of other things I rather just make a video about… it’s more than before just bc of the timing between things. I hope they get breaks. Txt is getting a break but I desperately hope enhypen does to there was no reason for sm to make them release so many albums than do tours.
Armies are trying to hating skz hardly because of this song, meanwhile skz this is trending worldwide 😂 i want to say BTS RM's speech - Haters gonna hate, players gonna play 💀
I'm kinda sad that my fav of the more recent SKZ albums "ATE" and also my favorite title since Maniac "Chk Chk Boom" getting lowkey roasted but this is also one of my favorite part of the community. Everyone has different tastes in music and the fact that I don't like a SKZ song doesn't mean it's bad. They experiment with so many genres and will continue to do so. Personally, HOP wasn't for me. The songs I loved were Hold My Hand (There just isn't one single Han Jisung song out there that failed me) and Railway. I also liked Bounce Back and As We Are but I don't really know how often I would return back to listen to them in the future.
I love Bounce Back!
i did enjoy the cb. skz released like a song/ week this year including skz records and all the osts in kr and jpn. that’s a lot of music, especially as they write and compose all/ most of their work. the time it takes to finish a song is probably in the tens if not hundreds of hours so i understand why they might make a song under 3 minutes. to me the time doesn’t matter as long as the track feels finished/ cohesive. there were some amazing songs on this album i keep returning to bounce back, walking on water hip ver and u. hallucination, railway and hold my hand are my solo song faves. i feel like due their insane schedules/ them just being overworked means they might not have all the time they would in an ideal word want to spend on a track. chan has over 200 komca credits in under 7 yrs. that’s over 28 songs/ year and it’s so impressive, even feels a little insane. if jype wouldn’t be so hellbent on making as much money as possible out of skz, i’d suggest not putting an emphasis on how many albums they release in a year. skz make amazing music, i know myself and stay would happily wait for it. i will always prioritize their health over their work and output 💖 sry i kinda just yapped a bunch. i hope u got what i was going for in the end 😣
Este álbum osea HOP fue como regalo especial ya que es un álbum especial en cambio ellos normalmente por año suben 2 álbumes y de 7-10 canciones sueltas ya sean osts,soundtrack,ED,OP o skzrecord
1:57 I love being twitter free as well
I’m ARMY, I’ve got it tattooed on my chest, but during this break, Stray kids have been keeping me really entertained and happy and I really don’t see a reason to make blames out out of something that’s not even a problem. Chan has always praised BTS, I would dare to say he’s an example of leadership, as much as Namjoon is. This men are out here trying their hardest, and sacrificing a lot to be good rol models to their fans, and I’m sure this is not what they would expect from you. Don’t be petty, and remember when BTS was given the same treatment in the past. Do better.
By the way, `Cheese´ is one of my favorite SKs’ songs, I had never made a connection to Butter ever 😂hahahaha Just the nature, style, and INTENTION of both song are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! `Butter´is a fun summer truck for global masses with and R&B funk sound, `cheese’ is a hip hop diss track for haters 😅
Omg ayyyyy I didn't know you use frootyloopz studio that's so neat!!
Tbh I also liked the hip version more
People hate Giant?
I have identical observations about the title U and bounce back. The only thing I would switch about the solos rankings is Youth and As we are places but ALL of your remarks were on point.
I have just one but that I have noticed. When Hyunjin produces without 3racha member his songs are boring, disjointed and unpolished.
I also find Unfairs lyrics a bit too simple. I'm afraid that is just Lixes style coz deep was similar. We will see in the future
As for the album being all over the place - I think it was deliberate. They didn't know if fans would like the full hh album so the sprinkled solos and from the streams count i gather they were right. HH skz has its fans but its not the majority of the fandom. As a fan of most of their experimentations - i completely don't mind this albums structure
gods this controversy... don't get me wrong i think bts are cool and all but i know the reputation SOME armys have and i don't want to be associated with that, especially after they drag my ults for something stupid like this lmao
The part in question is original composition by two of the BTS rap line. I think it is a similar progression. But calling it plagiarism is pushing it. ARMY hasn’t been the same on that app since solos took over and chased out a lot of OG ARMYs.
especially since solo’s and shippers took over :(
Why are they so obsessed with skz?
😆😆😆😆😆 im so sorry but this genuinely made me cackle so thank you for that
Stray kids is wireshread's ultimate fav Kpop group, I assume stray kids has a special place in this channel's heart, thus I can kinda expect this channel to love/ "be obsessed" with whatever stray kids music or news come out
@soralution i meant armies sorry if i caused any misunderstanding lol
Cos their god is bts and they will die defending them. And also they don't care about their life and think defending their faves and putting down other groups will give them money. @ffx-icis.19
@@soralution you assume??? lmao
While both parts are super similar and probably inspired that section in 1 one or another, I assume this was intentionally done to perk up other ears, after all why not cause chaos for gain ykw
Totally agree with the Walkin’ on Water Hip version by being experimental and more exaggerated makes it less liked in a sense.
As for U, even though it may not fit generally for the album, it still FITS. To me, it’s a great expansion from “I Like It” and it merges great with “Hip Hop” album with TABLO being in it too. At some point, I thought they wanted to release U instead of I Like It, but the overall feeling of the song for the ATE album wasn’t it, so they postponed it till now. As for sure, I think they had more than one album project already in mind. Even though leaving us confused and uncertain for quite some time made it feel like a fever dream.
Even considering the total feeling for the album itself, hip hop based tracks and vastly different solo songs wouldn’t go together as good as they do, without U breaking them in the middle. They thought it through.
As a Twitter free person as well, hearing “butter and cheese” controversy made me laugh hysterically, I’ve heard it before, but never knew the context it implied. There are too many food related Kpop songs nowadays then.. who started the theme though.
As for Harry Potter part, I cringe (laughing) every time I hear it, but I expected it, especially in the title. They have a good scope of mentions they do, so Harry Potter and Aquaman are not something exceptionally random, but the choice of Harry Potter is hilarious every time you hear it.
Would love to hear more with Hip Hop concept “only” in mind, they do it so well, and other genres too. I was quite confused with what exactly HOP is for some time. i understood it as a skz-replay, but with a twist not only to release already fan favorite tracks, but to create something they enjoy as a group and on their own. So, the explanations of the album do it justice (+ they usually dive into it mostly for the title tracks ), the thing that lacks, is clarity in what that album exactly is. But as i understand based on the given info, it is a new project, so there should be more to come in “their genre” (I may be wrong, or misunderstanding something)
Still the album sounds fresh and the layout is different compared to their other albums (and because the songs are solos mostly). hope they will keep changing it in the new releases.
16:39 lmao
143rd like ;)
Tbh i don't think stray kids can master saying the word fuck in a song (even tho ill admit on topline i think they ended up just saying it anyways). i think theyll end up making the word called "fuck" even more cringe and i don't think i can handle that much teenage testosterone angst they have when they say fuck cuz of the association they have with jype (who i feel create songs for moreso the tweens and teen soundscape)
what are you talking about
Tell me you know nothing about stray kids without telling me:
Harry Potter and then Jisung saying basilisk. 🫠😵💫
Han was referring to the basilisk lizard that is known to be able to walk on water. He mentioned it during the Live Countdown for the album.
@ okay. Also a coincidental tie in with Harry Potter.
@@sunshineditty Or
And this might surprised you
JKR was inspired by the same mythology that inspired many other people