I discovered these by accident when I bought one of the torque bits by accident. It was a great deal, but when I got it I realized I couldn't use it without the driver handle. I thought about getting one, but really had no use for it. At the price, it didn't make sense for me to pull that trigger, so I sent the bit back.
For doing any electronic screws, (phones, laptops and computers) I highly recommend the Wera Turbo. While it does have a disappointing amount of slop, the included gearbox speeds the bits rotation by 4x, while the torque applied to the screw is just 25% of what it would be normally. I work on a lot of electronics and being able to very quickly fasten and unfasten screws with virtually zero risk of over tourquing is amazing and not having to constantly toggle a rotation control is also very nice. Just make sure you get some nice bits, Vessel make very slim philips 1, 0 and 00 bits that I use with this screwdriver.
It's too big for laptop/phone repair. I use their micro screwdrivers for that purpose and it's great, the free rotating end cap makes screwing/unscrewing very nice, and bits are designed for such work. By the way Wera has the 1430 ESD Kraftform Micro - which is a torque micro screwdriver for such applications.
@@eliadbu I also have a set of the Vessel micro screwdrivers, but I would never use it for phone or laptop repair. They're really only used on small fiddly stuff like glasses and watches. Being able to either completely undo or fasten a laptop screw with a single wrist twist, while facing zero risk of over tightening is something I can't go back from.
I just recently bought a Vevor digital torque screwdriver for breakers and a NEMA 14-50 receptacle. I also have a Wera but it doesn't go up to the inch lbs. I needed. The Vevor worked great for me. Tesla charging went from 5mph on 120v to 30mph on 240v.
Interesting design with the display, I was wondering if there is some audio feedback from that electronic device. I have the wiha electrician insulated torque screwdriver, almost the same adjusting with the Allen key, but it is purely mechanical and it will display the preset torque in a little window in the front of the handle. More practical for me and no battery needed. Specially designed for relays, and circuit breakers with insulated bits, and I think is cheaper than this pb swiss handle.
The gadget / tool lover in me finds these very sexy… but personally, I’ve yet to run into torque specifications for anything I’ve actually worked on. Obviously some people have that need, but alas I will just have to watch and drool!
*_DOC!_* The United States has never used limey Imperial units! We never adopted the changes the UK passed in 1824 which changed the values for all or almost all of the old English units. In 1959, we and several other nations agreed to create the International Pound, and then the International Yard in 1960, but all other U.S. Customary Units not derived from those are still noticeably different than their same-named Imperial counterparts. It matters! You get more beer in an Imperial pint than in a US pint!
I'm pretty sure that the US barely uses any units regardless of COO. We buy gas in tenths of gallons and drive in tenths of miles even though we have no name for those units. And most citizens here could not name five, heck even three fractional measurements in ascending or descending order. We draw marks on tape measures. We have no idea how much gallons weigh. And swear by 2x4s which are neither 2 nor 4.
@@lastbesttool Upvoted, and I know I’m being pedantic, but it’s extremely important to get this right. Your content is awesome, and I have a strong desire to make sure you are trusted by others who know the importance of this difference. I’m also intrigued by the insight of your reply, and will respond to that separately, to keep my two thought trains separate.
@@lastbesttool 1) There’s a lot more metric going on here than you might think! 2) Technically, we buy gas in increments of 9/10ths of a cent, and I’ve long thought this was evil; I’m curious what your thoughts are. 3) Tenths of miles: you pointed out something that I’ve known since I first drove a car, but didn’t realize until you reminded me that it’s mixing decimal divisions with the English sub-multiple system of units (gallon, pottle, quart, pint, cup, etc.). 4) Do you know of the time Wendy’s tried to upstage McDonald’s quarter-pounder with the bigger third-pounder and failed? You’re absolutely right on this point. 5) I’ve never drawn marks on tape measures; can you teach me the use-cases? 6) A rough estimate can be derived from “A pint’s a pound the world around.” but I’m fairly convinced that’s never been exactly accurate. 7) OMFG, you absolutely need to watch the Stumpy Nubs channel’s take on 2x4s; he posted it in the last couple of weeks. Bonus) Alexa thinks another name for a half-gallon is a quart. I need to record this before the programmers fix it!
That's the older series. It needs the Allen key adjustment and you cannot replace the battery. on the never version You can adjust the torque with the end cap and you can replace the battery. I have the old version as well (but the ~0.4-2Nm) and the old version of the pistol handled one (3.4 to 16Nm). When the batteries will once die, I will upgrade to the newer versions. I love them!
been using two of the old DigiTorque version for more than ten years, had to send one for battery replacement to PB Swiss and when i told them i had two they advided that i should send both so i'd have new batteries for both. only paid shipping for that, turnover was less than two weeks and the S/N were still the same when i got them back. check your manual or contact PB Swiss customer service through their site. 😼👌
How we gonna stop the wars around the world if we are not able to agree in how we measure and weigh things. I got a bunch of PB Swiss tools and it never has disappointed me.I can not say the same about other brands. I wonder why one of the two "sides" does not give in.
There are some industries where it would be an enormous effort and cost to change units. For example the railway here in Canada still uses miles and mph. Even though Canada went metric in the 70's the railway will not change.
I remember the day America was going to change over to the Metric system. It was talked about in the news papers and on the news. The big day came and went without any fanfare. Originally in 1975 and again it was pushed in the 90s (I think) We still use the proper American size measurement. As big as a washing machine, car hood, bowling ball, etc...
I was waiting for the price... he normally does mention it. This one he didn't. A screwdriver, this ain't it. So $200 may be justifiable for a precision instrument... a fraction of the price of that snappy he had on hand.
is spending ~200 bucks on a tool that will help you not break costly parts by overtorquing them really a problem? 🙄 people spend more on starbucks, Lego™, simpin' and funkkoppopps in a week than this... 🧐
@@imfloridano5448 iirc, i paid something like 300€ for both of mine some 12 or 13 years ago. plus 20€ shipping to have the batteries changed at the factory. in total that's less than less than 20 eurocents per day of use. 😉
I went the cheap route, a Craftsman. Actually i bought it at a pawn for 20.00. It goes up to 40 inch pounds and comes with bits. Not digital but seems to be accurate.
@@alexdrockhound9497 This tool is aimed at pros that should have all the things they need on hand. The torque slipping mechanism seems mechanical though. The screen may only be how you know what it's set to, so it might still work if you primarily use one setting. I agree a dial or something would have been better to not rely on a battery.
I prefer my finely tuned "digits" and eyecrometer. They took over 30 years to calibrate but they never let me down. In the wise words of AvE. Twist until you hear a crack...back off 1/4 turn.
Anyone else sketched out to see Doc laying all those sensitive electronic instruments on a highly magnetic mat? Maybe it's fine, but I wouldn't do it. Especially not with a $600 torque angle. Perhaps I've been baited.
seems like a terrible tool design it needs a separate Allen wrench to operate and batteries for display making it a great paperweight after a while seems only useful at a desk in a business doing very specific requirements for assembly specs like military contracts.
I discovered these by accident when I bought one of the torque bits by accident. It was a great deal, but when I got it I realized I couldn't use it without the driver handle. I thought about getting one, but really had no use for it. At the price, it didn't make sense for me to pull that trigger, so I sent the bit back.
For doing any electronic screws, (phones, laptops and computers) I highly recommend the Wera Turbo. While it does have a disappointing amount of slop, the included gearbox speeds the bits rotation by 4x, while the torque applied to the screw is just 25% of what it would be normally.
I work on a lot of electronics and being able to very quickly fasten and unfasten screws with virtually zero risk of over tourquing is amazing and not having to constantly toggle a rotation control is also very nice. Just make sure you get some nice bits, Vessel make very slim philips 1, 0 and 00 bits that I use with this screwdriver.
It's too big for laptop/phone repair. I use their micro screwdrivers for that purpose and it's great, the free rotating end cap makes screwing/unscrewing very nice, and bits are designed for such work. By the way Wera has the 1430 ESD Kraftform Micro - which is a torque micro screwdriver for such applications.
@@eliadbu I also have a set of the Vessel micro screwdrivers, but I would never use it for phone or laptop repair. They're really only used on small fiddly stuff like glasses and watches.
Being able to either completely undo or fasten a laptop screw with a single wrist twist, while facing zero risk of over tightening is something I can't go back from.
Yeah those Vessel bit are great for computer and phone fixing
“Freedom units” more like the feet and thumb of the English men you fought once for that same freedom. Good history lesson.
1776 and all that was an English civil war.
I just recently bought a Vevor digital torque screwdriver for breakers and a NEMA 14-50 receptacle. I also have a Wera but it doesn't go up to the inch lbs. I needed. The Vevor worked great for me. Tesla charging went from 5mph on 120v to 30mph on 240v.
Ive been wanting a couple pd swiss things but i haven't made the jump yet. But I hear they feel amazing in the hand
That’s a cool Doctor right there! He probably has that many medical tools too😅🤣🤣
Interesting design with the display, I was wondering if there is some audio feedback from that electronic device. I have the wiha electrician insulated torque screwdriver, almost the same adjusting with the Allen key, but it is purely mechanical and it will display the preset torque in a little window in the front of the handle. More practical for me and no battery needed. Specially designed for relays, and circuit breakers with insulated bits, and I think is cheaper than this pb swiss handle.
The gadget / tool lover in me finds these very sexy… but personally, I’ve yet to run into torque specifications for anything I’ve actually worked on. Obviously some people have that need, but alas I will just have to watch and drool!
Freedom Units™ 😂👍
We love the English so much we decided to keep their unit of measurement forever.
Hmm interesting design, seems like a normal torque screwdriver, with an attached strain gauge readout.
*_DOC!_* The United States has never used limey Imperial units! We never adopted the changes the UK passed in 1824 which changed the values for all or almost all of the old English units.
In 1959, we and several other nations agreed to create the International Pound, and then the International Yard in 1960, but all other U.S. Customary Units not derived from those are still noticeably different than their same-named Imperial counterparts.
It matters! You get more beer in an Imperial pint than in a US pint!
I'm pretty sure that the US barely uses any units regardless of COO. We buy gas in tenths of gallons and drive in tenths of miles even though we have no name for those units. And most citizens here could not name five, heck even three fractional measurements in ascending or descending order. We draw marks on tape measures. We have no idea how much gallons weigh. And swear by 2x4s which are neither 2 nor 4.
@@lastbesttool Upvoted, and I know I’m being pedantic, but it’s extremely important to get this right. Your content is awesome, and I have a strong desire to make sure you are trusted by others who know the importance of this difference.
I’m also intrigued by the insight of your reply, and will respond to that separately, to keep my two thought trains separate.
@@lastbesttool 1) There’s a lot more metric going on here than you might think! 2) Technically, we buy gas in increments of 9/10ths of a cent, and I’ve long thought this was evil; I’m curious what your thoughts are. 3) Tenths of miles: you pointed out something that I’ve known since I first drove a car, but didn’t realize until you reminded me that it’s mixing decimal divisions with the English sub-multiple system of units (gallon, pottle, quart, pint, cup, etc.). 4) Do you know of the time Wendy’s tried to upstage McDonald’s quarter-pounder with the bigger third-pounder and failed? You’re absolutely right on this point. 5) I’ve never drawn marks on tape measures; can you teach me the use-cases? 6) A rough estimate can be derived from “A pint’s a pound the world around.” but I’m fairly convinced that’s never been exactly accurate. 7) OMFG, you absolutely need to watch the Stumpy Nubs channel’s take on 2x4s; he posted it in the last couple of weeks. Bonus) Alexa thinks another name for a half-gallon is a quart. I need to record this before the programmers fix it!
It would have been nice to cover the battery replacement unless it just becomes a Swiss paper weight at that point.
This version needs to be sent back to PB Swiss for warranty battery replacement. The newer design has. user replaceable battery.
Never seen those before
you missed the important part how much does it cost?
Starts around 200.00, maybe a few dollars less.
That's the older series. It needs the Allen key adjustment and you cannot replace the battery. on the never version You can adjust the torque with the end cap and you can replace the battery. I have the old version as well (but the ~0.4-2Nm) and the old version of the pistol handled one (3.4 to 16Nm). When the batteries will once die, I will upgrade to the newer versions. I love them!
Old tools, old man ... But a Rollex one with no purpose for now ... Maybe a new ones with some tork possibility 🤔
been using two of the old DigiTorque version for more than ten years, had to send one for battery replacement to PB Swiss and when i told them i had two they advided that i should send both so i'd have new batteries for both. only paid shipping for that, turnover was less than two weeks and the S/N were still the same when i got them back.
check your manual or contact PB Swiss customer service through their site. 😼👌
What happens when the battery dies?
The display doesn’t work until the battery is changed.
So you can’t put it in inch pounds?
Doc, does it have to be set at it's lowest torque setting when not in use?
I did not see that in the instruction, but it is usual best practice.
@@lastbesttool Torque Test Channel may have refuted that recently
no need to, more than ten years of use doing that with two and there never was any calibration problem. 😽👍
How we gonna stop the wars around the world if we are not able to agree in how we measure and weigh things.
I got a bunch of PB Swiss tools and it never has disappointed me.I can not say the same about other brands.
I wonder why one of the two "sides" does not give in.
There are some industries where it would be an enormous effort and cost to change units. For example the railway here in Canada still uses miles and mph. Even though Canada went metric in the 70's the railway will not change.
I remember the day America was going to change over to the Metric system. It was talked about in the news papers and on the news. The big day came and went without any fanfare. Originally in 1975 and again it was pushed in the 90s (I think)
We still use the proper American size measurement. As big as a washing machine, car hood, bowling ball, etc...
So I’m guessing like $140
If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it.
I was waiting for the price... he normally does mention it. This one he didn't. A screwdriver, this ain't it. So $200 may be justifiable for a precision instrument... a fraction of the price of that snappy he had on hand.
That was kinda my thoughts
is spending ~200 bucks on a tool that will help you not break costly parts by overtorquing them really a problem? 🙄
people spend more on starbucks, Lego™, simpin' and funkkoppopps in a week than this... 🧐
Soooo how much does it cost hmmm
@@imfloridano5448 iirc, i paid something like 300€ for both of mine some 12 or 13 years ago. plus 20€ shipping to have the batteries changed at the factory. in total that's less than less than 20 eurocents per day of use. 😉
I went the cheap route, a Craftsman. Actually i bought it at a pawn for 20.00. It goes up to 40 inch pounds and comes with bits. Not digital but seems to be accurate.
As long as it’s accurate that’s what counts. Getting your stuff professionally calibrated is the way to go.
It’s PB Swiss I already know it’s not affordable
Their prices are actually insane (but they also feel so great)
AA battery? Rechargeable?
@@johnv4179 factory replacement, free of charge except shipping even after 10 years. 😼👌
$200+
Next time you use this the battery will be dead
yeah, being battery operated worries me.
Just change the battery then? lol
@@Drakey_Fenix to replace a battery one must have a fresh battery with them. Thats rarely the case.
@@alexdrockhound9497 This tool is aimed at pros that should have all the things they need on hand. The torque slipping mechanism seems mechanical though. The screen may only be how you know what it's set to, so it might still work if you primarily use one setting. I agree a dial or something would have been better to not rely on a battery.
For something that cost so much, why couldn't they just add two more buttons (or a sweet dial) so you don't need another tool to adjust the torque...
They do now. There are newer models.
I prefer my finely tuned "digits" and eyecrometer. They took over 30 years to calibrate but they never let me down.
In the wise words of AvE. Twist until you hear a crack...back off 1/4 turn.
Anyone else sketched out to see Doc laying all those sensitive electronic instruments on a highly magnetic mat? Maybe it's fine, but I wouldn't do it. Especially not with a $600 torque angle. Perhaps I've been baited.
seems like a terrible tool design it needs a separate Allen wrench to operate and batteries for display making it a great paperweight after a while seems only useful at a desk in a business doing very specific requirements for assembly specs like military contracts.
seems like you've never used one. they are used for _specific_ tasks, not for screwing your IKEA furniture daily. 🙄