I come back to this segment from time to time and I always think…man the pod would’ve been so much better if Surf didn’t get locked up. I’m sure Joe would’ve preferred him over QueenzFlip
If Jay-Z is viewed the way he should, He WOULD be viewed equal or more than just putting on a show lol Joe is right. Just because he's black and gets to control halftime shows doesn't mean shit when they wouldn't let him buy/own a NFL Team. That's the REAL argument Joe is trying to make. He's NOT viewed by the world or America as he SHOULD be. His whole argument is we never get to the top of the top because they will ALWAYS find SOMETHING "Detrimental" enough in us to try to box them in or even box them out.
Ish & Joe my favorite podders of all time lol. They in fact did prove Joe's point that they're not held in the proper regard for what they've done & how they should be viewed because of the same perception reason they use to combat them not being bigger lol. They trying to compare and say Jay is so much better because of how he was perceived and moved than P & Baby but are missing the point they still try to put a ceiling on Jay as well & DON'T necessarily view him a way OUTSIDE of our culture. (Hence the real estate, art, NFL Owner things Jay has spoken on) Good Business does NOT equal high regard.
@@MacP12it’s not it’s more about connections these rich owners they talk about are family friends there old money with long ties with each other some marriages between family type shit lol u can try to break in but u better have strong backing behind u
@@johnalba4406right and at the root of allat is kolor. mfs gotta stop tryna remove dat fact, every society is based off racism at its kore. mfs got married to certain families because of all the assets. what assets did people of kolor have back then dat wasn’t taken from us?
Great foreshadowing by ish at the start of this clip because every record label right now is starting to look at the afro beat wave music.. thats where the industry wants to go..they're talking about this right now
Joe is right tho… lmao! 😂😂😂😂 The point that Joe was saying is that JayZ SHOULD be viewed as an equal, not as the booking agent… lol. And also that race comes before perception regardless of what it is… We view them in a higher regard in our community, but we are still so far behind in generational wealth, that we haven’t scratched the surface of power needed to have racial perception disregarded. BTW, they knocked 1.2 billion dollars off of the original deal because of Dre’s early announcement…
Why should Jay-Z (rapper/entertainer) be viewed the same ways as someone who built business into billions of dollars? This is why we as a community cant succeed. Ya’ll look at these “rappers” like they’re some business geniuses.
He always do that. He so childish & emotional. He hates being stand corrected & when he losing in an argument/debate he start pushing trigger points & throwing insults. That shit gone catch up to him sooner or later.
exactly boy just kant explain it right like “nigga who kares about da krumbs we getting we should be inna room onna same level regardless of how we act if the powers that be gon make money off and with us”
Joe was right. Their whole argument is “ if your black u can only be viewed as high as a BLACL person can be judged. But tcan never be viewed as equal” thats a problem
I think I’m seeing both perspectives on the conversation because yes, how you present yourself and mindset does play a part of where you go in life,credibility, and liability but on the flip side of the coin, me being who I am prior the invitation to the high table, the people sitting at the table found their way to make their high millions off of my prior self and not be placed in a high regard. I think it plays both sides.
Just because someone can make money off of you or with you, doesn’t automatically justify you having a seat at the table. If you’re that worthy, why don’t create your own table?
As off as joe sounds in this segment, he's actually right. You can look at the clean upper echelon of Black ppl Tyler Perry jay-z and such. They tell you hey im not allowed at these tables and rooms they'll give me a job, but not make me a partner. We keep seeing example after example listen to kanye plight ik we the think he krazy but wen he tell you yo i made these niggas billions and they won't let me sit at the table i make them too much money they'll deal with me even if they hate me but wont elevate he proved it.
This conversation exemplifies how Surf would’ve been better than Flip. I love Flip in some ways his energy saved the pod at one point but he limited beyond comic relief. Surf was like a Flip and Emanny combined with more charisma. Whenever he come home I hope Joe just has 2 completely separate pods.
Yo they made ice look like Mario chalmers while d-wade lebron and bosh was running up and down the court throwing it off the backboard back flipping and somersaulting while he has to stand there like what in the hell is going on 😂😂😂😂😂
I watched this episode enough to see how Joe is right about this and so many things he can't say on air to reply to the basic point of both parties images alone didn't get P or baby to the next level
I just came from the Joe and Ish vid from 2008 (bout Riri and Keyshia Cole) and realised Ish be wiping the floor with Joe when it comes to being business savvy. Joe became a pioneer in his own lane and cashed out. That's the difference between them.
Joes "regard" thing is from how whites view us which we shouldnt value the way he does. Main reason the BET awards arent held in regard is because of US not THEM.
our pride can stop our money because we don’t take into accord they perception, and the only reason why is cause they cut the checks as sad as the shit is. they both right in all honesty
They arguing both sides of the same coin and they were agreeing but What surf and ish were tryna get Joe to understand is the reality of the situation. Yes as black ppl we agree that we should be able to present ourselves anyway we want to without judgement and be able do business and be paid accordingly but white ppl who built the system and industry already view us and the artist as lesser than so if you’re gonna play that game and be in that system then you gotta adhere to the rules. Which isn’t right like Joe is tryna say but is the reality like surf and ish are saying.
I’m a businessman and plenty of meetings I go to the guy at the top tattoo up but I knew I can’t have it but it’s really deeper then people want to talk about
Tsu is a fake crip and they’re ain’t no real Rollin 60’s in NYC at all. It was started in my city of Los Angeles only where it’s respected and accepted
@@ItIsDesss Jay-Z is and a few others black entertainers/moguls who were able to pull off the unthinkable like Master P or Birdman . These people are not held in the same light at The Beatles or Ozzy or and other great white entertainer….. Birdman is judge on his appearance and culture when nobody tells Ozzy about tats or face paint or painting his nails . We understand that’s how it goes but the likes of Jay-Z and especially Birdman had jump in the white man game and flip it where he was winning had he been white like and Elvis he’ll be in the realm of untouchable never to be disrespected but that’s not life .
@@K.A.W.K.skipper You're looking for validation from white people, so that's your first problem. The reason you feel the way you feel is because the black community looks at entertainers, rappers, and athletes like Gods; no other communities do that. None the less, Jay Z is held in the same realm as those others that you mentioned, but whether you like it or not, culture plays a part in this, so that's why Master-P or Birdman aren't. Question: Do you think black people hold the Beatles, Ozzy, or Elvis in the "same regard" as they should?
I come back to this segment from time to time and I always think…man the pod would’ve been so much better if Surf didn’t get locked up. I’m sure Joe would’ve preferred him over QueenzFlip
I Think Flip Would’ve Still Came On The Pod. I Think Surf Would’ve Been Over Emany.
You sound really lame
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@@QuiseKirilenkonahh u need a women
@@QuiseKirilenkosurf would never be full time he still raps so it would all be the same
Classic Joe. Changing his explanation once he realizes he’s wrong.😂
The fact that jay z gave the grammy speech says he isn't held in high regard.
“Ayo, I got a question!” - Flip
Ish be cracking Joe muffin lol.
ish be on joe ass & he just be shouting😂😂
If Jay-Z is viewed the way he should, He WOULD be viewed equal or more than just putting on a show lol Joe is right. Just because he's black and gets to control halftime shows doesn't mean shit when they wouldn't let him buy/own a NFL Team. That's the REAL argument Joe is trying to make. He's NOT viewed by the world or America as he SHOULD be. His whole argument is we never get to the top of the top because they will ALWAYS find SOMETHING "Detrimental" enough in us to try to box them in or even box them out.
Ish & Joe my favorite podders of all time lol. They in fact did prove Joe's point that they're not held in the proper regard for what they've done & how they should be viewed because of the same perception reason they use to combat them not being bigger lol. They trying to compare and say Jay is so much better because of how he was perceived and moved than P & Baby but are missing the point they still try to put a ceiling on Jay as well & DON'T necessarily view him a way OUTSIDE of our culture. (Hence the real estate, art, NFL Owner things Jay has spoken on) Good Business does NOT equal high regard.
Ish is one of those Black Capitalists that really believe race isn’t a factor the higher up you go
@@MacP12it’s not it’s more about connections these rich owners they talk about are family friends there old money with long ties with each other some marriages between family type shit lol u can try to break in but u better have strong backing behind u
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@@johnalba4406right and at the root of allat is kolor. mfs gotta stop tryna remove dat fact, every society is based off racism at its kore. mfs got married to certain families because of all the assets. what assets did people of kolor have back then dat wasn’t taken from us?
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Joe changes his stance so much, that half the time I have no clue what his argument is
Great foreshadowing by ish at the start of this clip because every record label right now is starting to look at the afro beat wave music.. thats where the industry wants to go..they're talking about this right now
That was my first thought as well lol
capella isnt afro beats tho
@@zairethinker it's somewhat over in that lane with afro b, davido, burna boy.. you know what I meant.. up tempo dance hall vibe reggae vibe
@@zairethinker It's about the sound, CLOSE (for you) enough to where it fits in the dancehall/afro beats category of international success.
@@KasanovaCrudele two different sounds but I get it y’all more casuals then anything
Joe was right letting us sing and dance is meaningless
That shit went over there heads.
Tsu Turf fried Joe at the end lmaoo Being a bigger blood is crazy lmao
Being a bigger blood 7 years later is crazy lmao
Especially with a billion dollars 😂
Joe is right tho… lmao! 😂😂😂😂 The point that Joe was saying is that JayZ SHOULD be viewed as an equal, not as the booking agent… lol. And also that race comes before perception regardless of what it is… We view them in a higher regard in our community, but we are still so far behind in generational wealth, that we haven’t scratched the surface of power needed to have racial perception disregarded. BTW, they knocked 1.2 billion dollars off of the original deal because of Dre’s early announcement…
That’s a lie… it was 200 million from Dr Dre’s portion. His mistake cost him 200 million
Why should Jay-Z (rapper/entertainer) be viewed the same ways as someone who built business into billions of dollars?
This is why we as a community cant succeed. Ya’ll look at these “rappers” like they’re some business geniuses.
How can anybody have a convo with Joe with all that noisy tap dancing he does? They probably hear tap dancing in their sleep
Joe will be dead wrong and then just insult his friends. Nasty work
He always do that. He so childish & emotional. He hates being stand corrected & when he losing in an argument/debate he start pushing trigger points & throwing insults. That shit gone catch up to him sooner or later.
Y’all both buggin, Ish is wrong. And loud lol
idk how anyone waste their time aruging w joe budden
Joe is honestly saying..."LOOK...WE ARE GODS!!! NOT PEASANTS WITH GOLD ALL OVER US"
Gold represents peasants now?? Stop being ignorant dude.
exactly boy just kant explain it right like “nigga who kares about da krumbs we getting we should be inna room onna same level regardless of how we act if the powers that be gon make money off and with us”
@RamziMontanna exactly what i was getting off of this
@RamziMontanna but that's problematic also because who you are is apartbof the sell also. No matter what happens we can't skip that part
@@richdrb true but then you shouldn’t make money with me at all at that point so where do u draw the line?
In Order for the pod to work Joe has to play devils advocate that’s why the pod works
Surprisingly after watching this a third time Joe is right! He didn’t argue his view the best cause it was 3 v 1 but really listen to him
How?
Ish be crushing joe for two decades yoh
Just watched a clip of Joe arguing with Mal and rory that Diddy isn't in the music industry. After the latest Diddy album dropped lol.
Joe was right. Their whole argument is “ if your black u can only be viewed as high as a BLACL person can be judged. But tcan never be viewed as equal” thats a problem
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We ain’t heard Shit from capella grey since 😂
That wasn't his point.. the industry is putting their focus on that sound
@@GoodClipsTV that song has some elements of Afro music but I just was pointing that out wasn’t really referring to that tho
This has aged poorly
This aged poorly fam, afro and latin music has become a thing now
Afro Beats ran off with Capella sound and never looked back
This is the first time I've seen this... box office! I'd love to see Surf back on the pod to combat Joe's crazy 😂
This hour felt like 5 minutes lmao
Frfr. Great segment.
This is a great clip 🤣
This why P and Baby left the spotlight
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I think I’m seeing both perspectives on the conversation because yes, how you present yourself and mindset does play a part of where you go in life,credibility, and liability but on the flip side of the coin, me being who I am prior the invitation to the high table, the people sitting at the table found their way to make their high millions off of my prior self and not be placed in a high regard. I think it plays both sides.
Just because someone can make money off of you or with you, doesn’t automatically justify you having a seat at the table.
If you’re that worthy, why don’t create your own table?
As off as joe sounds in this segment, he's actually right. You can look at the clean upper echelon of Black ppl Tyler Perry jay-z and such. They tell you hey im not allowed at these tables and rooms they'll give me a job, but not make me a partner. We keep seeing example after example listen to kanye plight ik we the think he krazy but wen he tell you yo i made these niggas billions and they won't let me sit at the table i make them too much money they'll deal with me even if they hate me but wont elevate he proved it.
Answer this question: Why should they be invited to those rooms?
This conversation exemplifies how Surf would’ve been better than Flip. I love Flip in some ways his energy saved the pod at one point but he limited beyond comic relief. Surf was like a Flip and Emanny combined with more charisma. Whenever he come home I hope Joe just has 2 completely separate pods.
Yo they made ice look like Mario chalmers while d-wade lebron and bosh was running up and down the court throwing it off the backboard back flipping and somersaulting while he has to stand there like what in the hell is going on 😂😂😂😂😂
I watched this episode enough to see how Joe is right about this and so many things he can't say on air to reply to the basic point of both parties images alone didn't get P or baby to the next level
I just came from the Joe and Ish vid from 2008 (bout Riri and Keyshia Cole) and realised Ish be wiping the floor with Joe when it comes to being business savvy.
Joe became a pioneer in his own lane and cashed out. That's the difference between them.
NOTE: BTW I know Joe takes these stances purely for content purposes. He understands that debates (me vs. you) is what brings views.
bruh ish needin to take his heart pills after blowin a gasket is the funniest/realest/most relatable shit ever😂
Is the artist they were talknbout in the beginning still around???
Nope
Ish got angry issues 😂
Ish way over rated that gialis song, shii was cool at best
Joes "regard" thing is from how whites view us which we shouldnt value the way he does. Main reason the BET awards arent held in regard is because of US not THEM.
our pride can stop our money because we don’t take into accord they perception, and the only reason why is cause they cut the checks as sad as the shit is. they both right in all honesty
what watch is ish wearing?
I feel like someone like Nipsey Hussle would’ve proved them wrong
Joe budden always change subject when losing debate
bro ruining a stock price is way worse than having a red car n some tatoos
The only reason dr dre is able to get that benefit is bc of his presentation. That’s their point atleast.
Them saying JZ is viewed in the way he should be because he black is crazy
Yh that’s some crazy shit
Who yall rolling wit though?
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Def ish! I feel like ish runs laps around Joe in a lot of these debates.
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Ish for sure
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34:00 Ish literally making Joe point.
The Jay-Z Argument Must’ve Been Before 4:44
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@@josh2816 Knowing That …Who Would You Say Was Wrong In This Debate?
@@MrSjd1967Joe was right bro
Joe was right .
Yea he was but people ignored it because of his antics
@@oladeebiazazi4538 How was he right?
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Joe smoked them it’s funny because it’s like when you argue with people while their high and they aren’t having the same convo
Joe was clearly wrong, but for shits and giggles, explain to me how Joe is right.
They arguing both sides of the same coin and they were agreeing but What surf and ish were tryna get Joe to understand is the reality of the situation. Yes as black ppl we agree that we should be able to present ourselves anyway we want to without judgement and be able do business and be paid accordingly but white ppl who built the system and industry already view us and the artist as lesser than so if you’re gonna play that game and be in that system then you gotta adhere to the rules. Which isn’t right like Joe is tryna say but is the reality like surf and ish are saying.
Joe be dead ass wrong but will argue with you to the grave because he can't admit when he's wrong
Dawg, Joe got cooked so bad 😭
Who was tsu surf?
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Ish lost,loudly
The only music dude is joe.
I’m a businessman and plenty of meetings I go to the guy at the top tattoo up but I knew I can’t have it but it’s really deeper then people want to talk about
Ish just loud and wrong
ice really dont need to be on this podcast,,,,,,,he doesnt provide shit ever to the debate ...he just sit there quiet af
Lies
I said the samething. I’ll trade Rory for Ice happily . All that too cool for school shit ain’t hitting .
Tsu is a fake crip and they’re ain’t no real Rollin 60’s in NYC at all. It was started in my city of Los Angeles only where it’s respected and accepted
Surf ain’t from NYC
@@juggsandmagsss9397 bum ass ain’t nothing to say 😂
@@juggsandmagsss9397 yea stay quiet 🤫
@@KingBlavk why would I do that?
@@juggsandmagsss9397 damn broke ass groupie lol he’s not from 60’s and nyc don’t have real rollin 60’s crips at all
Im sorry Joe is right here these guys not understanding the point ..is Jay Z view as he should the answer is no …..with Birdman the answer is no ……
Simple question: How is Jay z viewed? & How should he be viewed?
@@ItIsDesss Jay-Z is and a few others black entertainers/moguls who were able to pull off the unthinkable like Master P or Birdman . These people are not held in the same light at The Beatles or Ozzy or and other great white entertainer….. Birdman is judge on his appearance and culture when nobody tells Ozzy about tats or face paint or painting his nails . We understand that’s how it goes but the likes of Jay-Z and especially Birdman had jump in the white man game and flip it where he was winning had he been white like and Elvis he’ll be in the realm of untouchable never to be disrespected but that’s not life .
@@K.A.W.K.skipper You're looking for validation from white people, so that's your first problem.
The reason you feel the way you feel is because the black community looks at entertainers, rappers, and athletes like Gods; no other communities do that.
None the less, Jay Z is held in the same realm as those others that you mentioned, but whether you like it or not, culture plays a part in this, so that's why Master-P or Birdman aren't.
Question:
Do you think black people hold the Beatles, Ozzy, or Elvis in the "same regard" as they should?
@@K.A.W.K.skipper You didn’t answer my question, so I’ll ask again: How is Jay Z viewed vs. how do you think he should be viewed?
@@ItIsDesss he’s view as a hip hop legend to the blacked community but he should be viewed as well as Birdman as a music legend/mogul and Businessman