imagine being a college kid and going to class were the teacher is like OK KIDS AND NOW WERE GOING TO READ THE ATLAS OF MEN and you turn to the first page and its UR NUDES
yeah, I think it's strange how it was totally okay to publish pictures of naked men without their permission, but if you show a naked woman, that's crossing the line. Kind of sexist.
Elliander Eldridge I think it was more that the woman was the only one who noticed, because her school actually posted the pictures up in the school to showcase his work.... I'm sure that not a huge number of guys read the Atlas of Men and there likely isn't a great overlap between the number of guys that did read it and the number of guys who were actually in it.... so it's not so much sexism as much as it is someone finally noticing what he was doing
back then same sex nudity among students wasn't that weird. In some older schools around that time they had communal showers (think like that bathroom scene of the 3rd Harry Potter movie where the creepy ghost starts stalking Harry) and communal baths. The YMCA and many public pools required nudity so everyone could tell you were clean and promoted hygiene. Both of those were also phased out around the 60s. Nude medical photos were also pretty common for medical studies and students were, and still are, the main source of research subjects for various studies. Hell, i once read a statistic that around 70-80% if research subjects for psychology studies were college students, which can skew results since it results in much less variety in subjects.
It comes from 19th century anthropometric photography. The idea is that the visual data set is most useful in general (not just posture) if the subjects are without clothes. It allowed for physiognomic measurements. As amusing as it is, i don't think we need to cast doubts over the moral priority of the researchers who did this kind of work. Their findings are probably of limited utility, but that can happen sometimes in the history of science.
How did they even bring this up to their students? "So, for the orientation, you have to bring your medical file with you, sign up for on-campus lunches or not, and be prepared to strip in front of the camera."
Difference in culture I'd guess. The reason we think being naked in public is bad is largely culture too (look at nudists). If people accepted it as a thing that happened, it'd be simple enough for it to keep going. Traditions are scary like that.
Dr. Sheldon did a lot of research alone in his bedroom. He was at the same time involved in a cross-disciplinary study on friction-decreasing substances.
hercules1451 Some people seem to think that my jokes will bring about the end of the world. That playlist will either lead you to Valhalla or usher in Ragnarök. ;)
I wish that was all you had to do to get into college today. you'd be lucky to get into a community college with just a couple nude pictures, for an Ivy league education you'll need to go much farther.
Can't believe that students actually allowed nude photos of them to be taken. Say what you will about the increase in cynicism in our society - people today are much more critical of authority figures, and that's a GOOD thing.
Excuse me? I stated that the rising acceptance of socialism as a viable economic model in the minds of the of the youth, demonstrates a decrease in their ability to be critical of authority figures. If you still struggle to understand this, you can ask again, however can you do so politely, and without resorting to Ad hominem attacks, if you posses the ability. DOUBT IT.
Why do you think this probaly is how snapchat was made pls tell me pls pls pls if you dont know what video i commented from its why college student took nude photos
I came across the Atlas of Men in my college's library. All the photos had the faces and private areas whited out. Mind you, it was still creepy and I didn't see the point of it. I just assumed it was being studied in anatomy classes which I didn't take. I took geology instead where I looked at naughty photos of rock formations and strata! Spicy!
It's spelled 'psychopath' Okay, before people tell me to correct that to sociopath, YES I understand the difference. It just wouldn't have made as much sense.
What makes this even weirder is that in the 40's the people going to college were anywhere from 15 to 18 years old, so a lot of these pictures would be depicting minors.... yeah, well you thought it didn't get worse.
"was to breed a superior race of humans by pairing up people based on somatotypes, which is a kind of huge red flag' with a white circle and a swastika on it.
in my country if you are fat you often get bullied, and being bullied from a young age shapes your personality. if you are the muscular type other people don't mess with you, so you grow up thinking you are poweful and that shapes your personality too.
That's not an intrinsic thing though, if you lived somewhere that praises having stored fat the opposite would be true. The study was to find if the body type *directly* affects personality, it wasn't a study on cultural views on body types.
@@odilebartlett8191 sorry human being, when i wrote that comment i was controlled by anger im thankfull that i passed that but in reality we all know that being fat is never better than being in a normal shape, also you must already know that humans control what they put inside their bodies but if humans don't have control over their thoughts they could never control what they put inside their bodies or how they move they will always be controlled by something or something even the things they eat can control the way they think the way they feel , so it's always better to pay attention to what we put inside our bodies because we only get one body at a lifetime and we all must learn to love ourselves always and Everytime, please understand that my message was positive but i couldn't send it in a positive way so it came out as a source of anger the last comment i mean, make sure to take care of yourself and know the definition of love. ☺️☺️
The best rule of thumb is to not do to anyone else what you wouldn't agree to do. So unless all the professors and faculty were taking nude photos and storing them in a general file, they should not be requiring that from the students.
I think the personality affects body shape, not the other way around. If youre an energetic, active person your personality will prevent the body shape of a lumpy potato.
That's not always true.. my mum's nearly 164lbs, 5'1", but she's so fast& active in all the activities she does everyday. She's the speediest among all of us in the family lol
Golly willikers! First birth date based star charting was a bust, then phrenology turned out to just be arbitrary skull growths, and now even somatotypes aren't useful in determining personality. It's almost as though the human brain is some kind of chaotically complex organ whose behavior can't be reduced to something you can judge rapidly from a handful of arbitrary observations. 😏
According to my MIL, with a psych degree, almost all of it. I know for myself that their statistics are done quite differently than they are in "hard" scientific research. I wrote programs doing statistical analysis for years. Then, took a class in psych research. It was astounding that you could torture mathematics that way.
rudra62 I mean, it's a bit difficult to eliminate variables in humans; especially when they have this annoying tendency to act in ways that effect the outcome if they know they are being tested. Makes the statistics a bit difficult.
The things this guy did are horrible. But how did he ever think to get away with showing someones nude photo without their consent while doing a presentation a room where the person of that photo is?
Vickey because he was arrogant. He's lucky not to be jailed or killed. Don't know what, if any his punishment was but certainly not enough since he probably collected royalties off the book.
While certainly I'd like to be able to consent to anyone using or even taking nude photos of me, I don't really get how anything this guy did was "horrible". It's just a nude photo and was being used for a non-sexual reason. I'd rate it more as just rude/unprofessional than anything else.
For a similar reason why doctors used to do some unethical things back then. Laws back then was different and consent laws, well, did they even have consent laws?
We used to think leeches drinking our blood would cure disease. Long before that we thought diseases were a punishment from a god. We've come a long way. And have a long way to go, I hope. Science and discovery is never ending and always changing.
I know a guy that says that when he was in public school in the late 60s the whole class swam completely nude in the gym at school in the pool. Not around the girls, but as part of their regular gym class.
I think it's also incredibly important to note that these studies were done BEFORE cognition science came into existence. Psychology was very much a "Behaviourists Only" club. So this kind of "let's look at a physical trait and try to understand behaviour from it" instead of "let's look at the brain and see if we can understand how sub-cognitive actions can be extraprolated to explain cognitive reactions"
Humm.... That would be evidence towards his theory. As in the general looks of people changes with region and so does culture. I wounder how well that correlates.
It's actually very much like the old Ayurveda system for body types (doshas), which also connect body types to health issues and personalities www.joyfulbelly.com/Ayurveda/article/dosha/1
I remember a high school text book that talked about somatotypes and used John Candy, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Woody Allen as examples. It didn't give credence to the personality types but said that many people make first impressions based on them. I look more like an endomorph but I'm more of an ectomorph in personality.
This is a great past time example of why we need to be careful of protecting our privacy- so personal data can't be shared, stolen, or generally exploited. Don't put all your personal info on the "cloud".
Good god I'm glad they don't do this anymore. I would never want a nude picture of myself taken by my college to be used in this way. For that matter, colleges shouldn't take naked pictures of their students under nearly all circumstances anyway.
Using data obtained from people without their consent or knowledge is still common and typically considered acceptable -- you just have to use data collected before the study officially began and call it "archival." My master's thesis was done this way -- and people in the lab wanted to push it further, suggesting I publish EEG data on a personal friend who had never signed or agreed to anything because it was now "archival" (this I did not do).
one thing that is true is the stipulation that sometimes comes with our looks can definitely affect ( NOT DETERMINE ) your personality if you perceive it in a positive or negative way.
jakub rembacz 😂😂😂😂 nice meme.. but, here in my country, guys can walk around shirtless (when it's hot out) and nobody would care. Women need to cover up, but sexy clothes are allowed.
I am a graduate of the US Naval Academy at Annapolis, Class of 1965. The Academy's Physical Training Department had created "Squads" to improve our bodies, if they were less than optimal. Two of those "Squads" that come to mind are the "Sub-Squad" for those who could not pass swim tests, and the "Weak-Squad" for those who were not strong enough to pass certain Applied Strength tests. By the time my class was there, 1961 through 1965, the "Posture Squad" was no longer part of the curriculum. But occasionally we heard references to it. Near graduation, some classmates and I were exploring unused parts of buildings, just to see what we'd find. In a big heap at the bottom of a defunct circular stairway we came upon hundreds of photographs pasted onto cardboard files. The pictures showed guys taken at three angles, front, back and side. They were clad in only jock straps. I realized that we were looking at posture photos, some went back to the Thirties. I could only guess that some of the instructors perusing the pix were interested in more than posture.
I remember practical anatomy class in the Netherlands. The professor stripped down to his underwear and said "now your turn". Jokes were made about those who wanted to keep their tank tops on but at least no photos were taken :/
I kinda did my own version of this as a salesman. I observe personalities then I put them into categories and then made subcategories of the main categories to determine what a new person's personality would be based on certain triggered reactions.
Nothing happened until a parent sued him and that parent happened to have a daughter. If her parents hadn't sued him he would have just continued. Conversely, if a parent with a son had sued him, his work would have been taken down even sooner. Usually the simplest, most logical explanation is the right one.
Neither was fine. He didn't have consent. He just published the male one first. He would have gone on had he not been caught. There is no guarantee that all the young men were of legal age which is why it is redacted. It should have been recalled but that is like trying to take a pic off the internet. As to why the male was published first: maybe the "psychologist" was homosexual. Maybe the publisher though it would be easier to get the public to accept it published as a "medical" associated journal. Maybe he took longer to look thru the female pictures. Since those pics were coerced they should be considered as porn and not as any legit compendium necessary in any form.
Body shape does have an effect on self image, but that depends on the group you are a part of. If you live in a society where everyone is over weight, then being over weight is not a problem. Say sumo wrestlers or samoans (?) If you live in a society where everyone is thin same thing. Think ballet dancers. Granted my examples are not the best. But it's not the body shape that affects the personality. It what the society thinks about body shape that affects the personality. If you look at yourself in the mirror and don't like what you see, it's because society has told you that what you see is not what they want to see. And is therefore bad. But without external influences, there would be nothing to suggest that personality is affected by body shape. It's body image that affects personality. And that is dictated by where and when you live.
It seems weird to think that there wouldn't be a correlation. Mood, temperament and personality all have effects on health and physical activity so a lot of those traits likely led to a lot of those body types, or at least that's what you would expect. I get people are born with a certain body type, but a lot of the difference would likely come down to physical activity and self control, both being good indicators of other behaviours.
Sheldon was still sort of in vogue when I was in college and we once "classified" a number of males based on their body photos and then analyzed the degree of concordance/discordance in the class. Of course, some were clear-cut but many more showed mixed characteristics, just as people's personalities do. The classifications aren't entirely bunk but probably accurate only at the extremes.
When I was a Junior in high school in 1969, I was looking through an outdated science book which said bad posture indicates mental illness and messing with pimples on your forehead and around your nose can cause brain damage. The book was from the late 50s.
Wow! I'm so relieved now, I appreciate it so much *Solipide.* This blackmailers tensioned my life, even threatened me and my family but Solipide rescued me and deleted all my sexting pictures and videos
There's an old cliché, promulgated by graduate chairs, that to make it through grad school one should not expect to live richly... there's another cliché that the gods did not care how the animals that could talk saw them but they did wear empiric headdresses adorned with cobras and hawks... And there's yet another cliché that Job would leave the way he came.
Very interesting. Will be funny conversation with my mom next week. My soda exited my nose when i heard the name. Sheldon, lol. Big bang fan here duh. Love Jo
I think the only place you'll still see somatotypes used any more is drawing classes, where they can held give a basic idea of human proportions. I think - I'm no an artist.
*mom walks in while there's naked people on my screen* mom: what's are you doing? me: uhhh...mhh....just researching the difference among the three types of somatotypes. *phew*
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imagine being a college kid and going to class were the teacher is like OK KIDS AND NOW WERE GOING TO READ THE ATLAS OF MEN and you turn to the first page and its UR NUDES
kat OH MY GOD
yeah, I think it's strange how it was totally okay to publish pictures of naked men without their permission, but if you show a naked woman, that's crossing the line. Kind of sexist.
Elliander Eldridge I think it was more that the woman was the only one who noticed, because her school actually posted the pictures up in the school to showcase his work.... I'm sure that not a huge number of guys read the Atlas of Men and there likely isn't a great overlap between the number of guys that did read it and the number of guys who were actually in it.... so it's not so much sexism as much as it is someone finally noticing what he was doing
Elliander Eldridge ...isn't that basically just modern mainstream feminist double standards in a nutshell?
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Ah yes....complete removal of clothing is necessary to determine posture.
You can't tell how somebody's posture is if they're in, say, underwear.
XDddDddDDdDd Yos... Logic....
back then same sex nudity among students wasn't that weird. In some older schools around that time they had communal showers (think like that bathroom scene of the 3rd Harry Potter movie where the creepy ghost starts stalking Harry) and communal baths. The YMCA and many public pools required nudity so everyone could tell you were clean and promoted hygiene. Both of those were also phased out around the 60s.
Nude medical photos were also pretty common for medical studies and students were, and still are, the main source of research subjects for various studies. Hell, i once read a statistic that around 70-80% if research subjects for psychology studies were college students, which can skew results since it results in much less variety in subjects.
@@arthas640 Good point about skewing the results.
Once people get out into the real world, views and ideas vary widely
Ahahahaha broooo this one got me 😂😂😂
It comes from 19th century anthropometric photography. The idea is that the visual data set is most useful in general (not just posture) if the subjects are without clothes. It allowed for physiognomic measurements.
As amusing as it is, i don't think we need to cast doubts over the moral priority of the researchers who did this kind of work. Their findings are probably of limited utility, but that can happen sometimes in the history of science.
"what do you want the photos for?" "for...research."
Multi Gaming Like 86 here. 😑
"it's for science!"
Lushelieve why does your comment fit so well with the facial expression of your profile pic
._.
The only time it was actually the case but the scientist still payed for it.
Wait, so I didn't have to pose nude for my school photo?!
Have to? No.
Want to? Definitely.
Father Abernathy also did this in my church, he was super nice. He said salvation had to be sucked out of a hose.
@@samuelnakai1804 Did he blindfold you? Was the hose fleshy?
@@henrygutierrez3243 wow! did you go to his private sermons as well?
@@samuelnakai1804 I believe so. Salvation is so salty and sticky.
How did they even bring this up to their students?
"So, for the orientation, you have to bring your medical file with you, sign up for on-campus lunches or not, and be prepared to strip in front of the camera."
probably as part of a broader standard health checkup
Difference in culture I'd guess. The reason we think being naked in public is bad is largely culture too (look at nudists). If people accepted it as a thing that happened, it'd be simple enough for it to keep going. Traditions are scary like that.
You have the option of providing your own music.
That still happen here,not a photo but you have a complete body checkup.and you have to bring your medical file.
It's different if you want to do it....if you have no choice to opt out, or admittance to school is dependent that becomes a problem.
Dr. Sheldon did a lot of research alone in his bedroom. He was at the same time involved in a cross-disciplinary study on friction-decreasing substances.
Lol
Pile of carbon Word is, he eventually turned Japanese.
Slappy omfg lol
Phd in the full knuckle shuffle
Pile of carbon lol
this sounds.... not ... legal
Thomas P history is scary. Lots of laws changed for the better.
Zebedee Summers / Too bad we still need more changing
He will make it legal.
Thomas P Doctors could get away with anything in the old days.
Thomas P very legal
When your college app says "Send Nudes."
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As if class reunions weren't awkward enough... "OK, time for the group photo."
No wonder people didn't stay in school.
Master Therion I'm a proud follower of your my silly comments playlist, I hope this will guide me to Valhalla
hercules1451 Some people seem to think that my jokes will bring about the end of the world. That playlist will either lead you to Valhalla or usher in Ragnarök.
;)
Feynstein100
Parent, "Have you picked your school?"
Child, "No. They all want to pic me..."
+Master Therion You have won the internet, Therion-sama.
“Welcome to Harvard, alright now drop your pants and smile.”
I wish that was all you had to do to get into college today. you'd be lucky to get into a community college with just a couple nude pictures, for an Ivy league education you'll need to go much farther.
just bend over and show them your wide smile ha ha
I mean, the military is still that way
Can't believe that students actually allowed nude photos of them to be taken. Say what you will about the increase in cynicism in our society - people today are much more critical of authority figures, and that's a GOOD thing.
totalmikie Given the rise of socialism in the youth, they aren't exactly becoming critical of authority figures.
Try posting something coherent next time, if you posses the ability. DOUBT IT.
Excuse me? I stated that the rising acceptance of socialism as a viable economic model in the minds of the of the youth, demonstrates a decrease in their ability to be critical of authority figures.
If you still struggle to understand this, you can ask again, however can you do so politely, and without resorting to Ad hominem attacks, if you posses the ability. DOUBT IT.
You probably have done more weird/intimate-ish things when it came to medicine
Jappleng University
If you HAD to? Perhaps. But there, the nice photo was no necessity.
"Yea I need nude photos... yea for research totally... thank you"
*runs into bedroom and locks door*
Hey look, this girl is in my class. -really? that one is from playboy... she looks good with those bunny ears.
*mom? get the camera!*
-Pope John XII
What?
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What?
Huntracony yes
in da butt
I said
Phexism what what
hol up
There are 7 body types. Ectomorphs, endomorphs, mesomorphs, xenomorphs, necromorphs, animorphs, and mightymorphs.
Pimp Minya xenomorphs xD
animorphs got me
Lmao
Pimp Minya ghosts, endorphins, mesothelioma, aliens, dead people, cats and mighty people
Where are the megamorphs and helicoptermorphs? You're discriminating against a race.
Wait, so colleges don't still do this? Then who was that guy who...? Oh no.
What?
Vgamer311 😂😂😂 omg
Could you explain this joke to me, please.
Sir Kačer it's a joke about how somebody asked to take a nude photo of this guy, supposedly for a "college study".
How do you know it's not a girl? ARE YOU MAKING GAMER ASSUMPTIONS
I doubt posture was the real reason these photos were taken.
Yeah. They totally could have kept underwear at the VERY least.
*Reads title*
My mind : *"That's probably how Snapchat was made"*
Why do you think this probaly is how snapchat was made pls tell me pls pls pls if you dont know what video i commented from its why college student took nude photos
Furry Face most college students took nudes
Jake Hildebrand Lot of it do it for their boyfriend/girlfriend or to make some $$$
Don't quote me on that please.
actually snapchat was made by a high schooler, at least at the time he first released it.
I came across the Atlas of Men in my college's library. All the photos had the faces and private areas whited out. Mind you, it was still creepy and I didn't see the point of it. I just assumed it was being studied in anatomy classes which I didn't take. I took geology instead where I looked at naughty photos of rock formations and strata! Spicy!
But it weren't for the stalagmites. *Kermit the frog laughter*
@@wernerhiemer406 *lol*
might be an edited edition......I wonder about the first publication though
Oh yeah that’s the good schist
Gneissssss
I'd want to see those photos... for research, trust me, I'm a psychologist...
It's spelled 'psychopath'
Okay, before people tell me to correct that to sociopath, YES I understand the difference. It just wouldn't have made as much sense.
For Academic Purposes?
I prefer the term... "scientist", thank you
:P
The book is like $200 on Amazon but you can see the pics on google. They whited out all the good parts though :(
Am I the only one who kinda loves Hank's shirt? It's just the perfect 'Dad' shirt.
What makes this even weirder is that in the 40's the people going to college were anywhere from 15 to 18 years old, so a lot of these pictures would be depicting minors.... yeah, well you thought it didn't get worse.
College students: exist
William Sheldon: ah, that's hot, that's hot
Being sexualized is basically a core part of the college experience
damn, and they say colleges are a bit too...rapey...THESE days.
colleges are among the safest places in the world
Modestas Sure, unless you're going by the risk of sexual assault and you are a young woman
thats not true either Ian, colleges are among the safest places for women.
Ian Graber-Stiehl you mean that fake statistic that 1 in 5 women that will be raped in college ?
Ian Graber-Stiehl the study that conlcuded wasnt perfomed properly , it was more biased than the one depicted in this video
4:38 That's not a huge red flag! That is a small red flag on a huge pole.
this comment deserves more attention
Its a small red flag with a swastika on it.
"was to breed a superior race of humans by pairing up people based on somatotypes, which is a kind of huge red flag'
with a white circle and a swastika on it.
TotallyNotSomething sure because a 4th century BC Greek philosopher was a mid 20th century German.
Torin Jones
No, but they can share certain parts of their ideologies, and that’s more the point here.
OOOOOH!
+Fancy boat named Titanic damn dude most people won't understand the hh reference...
Dammit! I just left a nearly identical comment to this one like a minute before seeing it.
"Sheldon, whats all this sticky stuff on your research paper...?"
omg lol
Syrup from when he was done eating his pancakes...
Ian h 😂
uuuuuhhhhh
Natural adhesive, I guess..
in my country if you are fat you often get bullied, and being bullied from a young age shapes your personality. if you are the muscular type other people don't mess with you, so you grow up thinking you are poweful and that shapes your personality too.
That's not an intrinsic thing though, if you lived somewhere that praises having stored fat the opposite would be true. The study was to find if the body type *directly* affects personality, it wasn't a study on cultural views on body types.
That's besides the point. The influence is a failure to remove the variable.
Gabriel Urrutia Riveros
Really?? Tell AMERICA I said HI!!!
i'm not from 'murica tho, im from south america.
Gabriel Urrutia Riveros you're from South 'Murcia!
I'm fat on the outside but self conscious and introverted, therefore skinny, on the inside. Yay
me tOO
huh?
Nah ur fat and dumb a study showed that fat people use less of their brain and they tend to be dumber than skinny people...
@@odilebartlett8191 sorry human being, when i wrote that comment i was controlled by anger im thankfull that i passed that but in reality we all know that being fat is never better than being in a normal shape, also you must already know that humans control what they put inside their bodies but if humans don't have control over their thoughts they could never control what they put inside their bodies or how they move they will always be controlled by something or something even the things they eat can control the way they think the way they feel , so it's always better to pay attention to what we put inside our bodies because we only get one body at a lifetime and we all must learn to love ourselves always and Everytime, please understand that my message was positive but i couldn't send it in a positive way so it came out as a source of anger the last comment i mean, make sure to take care of yourself and know the definition of love. ☺️☺️
@@ai2066 it was a joke lardass.... Or should I say, thinass
if someone call me skinny i'll correct them: "I'm actually cerebrotonic, dude."
Right and sound like a full time vegan
@@notjenna4663 He's actually cerebrotonic, my dude.
ectomorph*
The best rule of thumb is to not do to anyone else what you wouldn't agree to do. So unless all the professors and faculty were taking nude photos and storing them in a general file, they should not be requiring that from the students.
or they were pedophiles
what they say:"its just for _reasearch_"
Sarah kerr college students are adults
I mean, seeing as this was happening for decades the professors probably were students in the universities themselves.
TBH once you're over 18 if you wanted to make a hardcore porno for your art project, your teacher wouldn't bat a eye.
unless you want that to be shared with all of your friends
good thinking
Why is it that in every SciShow video the intro audio is never on the same level as the rest of the video. It is either too loud or too quiet.
Apostolis Tympakianakis hank is actually an alien trying to send us subliminal messages through sound.
Andrea Ceci Yeah, it's actually a message in binary. Loud intros are 1s, quiet ones are 0s. Quick, somebody translate it
Apostolis Tympakianakis / The future is now?
Tori Lee Someone should....
Keep complaining about this. This has bothered me since I've started watching sci show anything.
Couldnt you take photos of the students in swimsuits XD? Do you need to see their junk to find out they slouch in their chairs???
cuz it bLOCks imPorTaNnt LandMaRkS
If ur a pervert. Yes.
clothing can change your posture, if youre naked the body has to support itself 100%
@@RogueCowTurd - It's okay. I'm just checkin' yer ball posture.
I mean RedShiftJellyfish does have a point there
That was a small Red Flag on a tall pole
Dr. Sheldon: I’m gonna need all these photos... for research purposes.
Thanks for the interesting video, it was very…
*puts on sunglasses*
REVEALING
YEAAAH!!!🕶
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
STOP.
Funny, because shades HIDE your eyes, instead of revealing them, nice double joke m8
Extra Ampersand Not for me. Never had an issue.
*Fires finger guns*
I'm so happy that you critique and explain the errors in the research. That's so important!!
Oh, man... Sheldon was as non scientific as Freud, the Fraud! 😮
Freud the Fraud, I like that
L Galicki Band You do know Freud actually made scientifically accurate discoveries right?
@@BygoneT Some. Freud came up with a lot of weird stuff also.
@@Catlily5 Plenty, penis envy lmao
@@BygoneT Yeah, that is crazy. Talk about projection.🤣
I think the personality affects body shape, not the other way around. If youre an energetic, active person your personality will prevent the body shape of a lumpy potato.
justin van but i am a snake
well i live like i should be 300lbs but im like 120lbs. so id have say thats flawed. and there are others who are vice versa
That's not always true.. my mum's nearly 164lbs, 5'1", but she's so fast& active in all the activities she does everyday. She's the speediest among all of us in the family lol
My somaotype is 'Mightymorph'.. what's that mean?
You're a Power Ranger
It means your pet is My Little Boner.
Im an animorph
You are made of modelling clay.
SovietandScotsman this
one time i took a nude photo & got thrown outta class! smh i need to transfer asap
Golly willikers! First birth date based star charting was a bust, then phrenology turned out to just be arbitrary skull growths, and now even somatotypes aren't useful in determining personality. It's almost as though the human brain is some kind of chaotically complex organ whose behavior can't be reduced to something you can judge rapidly from a handful of arbitrary observations. 😏
You could try palmistry, or the contemporary notion of where on the body is safer/more dangerous to carry excess fat.
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makes you wonder how much of todays psychology is just bogus
According to my MIL, with a psych degree, almost all of it.
I know for myself that their statistics are done quite differently than they are in "hard" scientific research. I wrote programs doing statistical analysis for years. Then, took a class in psych research. It was astounding that you could torture mathematics that way.
rudra62 I mean, it's a bit difficult to eliminate variables in humans; especially when they have this annoying tendency to act in ways that effect the outcome if they know they are being tested. Makes the statistics a bit difficult.
The things this guy did are horrible. But how did he ever think to get away with showing someones nude photo without their consent while doing a presentation a room where the person of that photo is?
Vickey because he was arrogant. He's lucky not to be jailed or killed. Don't know what, if any his punishment was but certainly not enough since he probably collected royalties off the book.
While certainly I'd like to be able to consent to anyone using or even taking nude photos of me, I don't really get how anything this guy did was "horrible". It's just a nude photo and was being used for a non-sexual reason. I'd rate it more as just rude/unprofessional than anything else.
For a similar reason why doctors used to do some unethical things back then. Laws back then was different and consent laws, well, did they even have consent laws?
Because nobody cared until women were involved
Look up John money and Kinsey-- and they are responsible for this trans cruelty - they were all pedos.
There were many strange psychological theories back then, however I am not do sure today is entirely different.
Dewaldt Science is a process of elimination school of thought. Each idea we prove to be wrong /should/ bring us closer to the truth.
We used to think leeches drinking our blood would cure disease. Long before that we thought diseases were a punishment from a god. We've come a long way. And have a long way to go, I hope. Science and discovery is never ending and always changing.
Well, now they're saying there are over... like what... 18 different genders?
Jonathan Tan No actually scientists believe that crap
I know a guy that says that when he was in public school in the late 60s the whole class swam completely nude in the gym at school in the pool. Not around the girls, but as part of their regular gym class.
woah sheldon cooper researched this?
Was looking for this comment. Wasn't disappointed. :)
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I think it's also incredibly important to note that these studies were done BEFORE cognition science came into existence. Psychology was very much a "Behaviourists Only" club. So this kind of "let's look at a physical trait and try to understand behaviour from it" instead of "let's look at the brain and see if we can understand how sub-cognitive actions can be extraprolated to explain cognitive reactions"
I would totally buy that there is a correlation. I would be very skeptical there is a causal relationship though.
I agree. It could possibly be the result of social conditioning. But, that might change with different cultures.
Humm.... That would be evidence towards his theory. As in the general looks of people changes with region and so does culture. I wounder how well that correlates.
It's actually very much like the old Ayurveda system for body types (doshas), which also connect body types to health issues and personalities
www.joyfulbelly.com/Ayurveda/article/dosha/1
I'm going to have to check with my witch doctor to see if there is any validity to their claims. :p
Please, let us know :D
Honestly, this was just really fascinating to learn, in general. Thanks, Scishow! :D
I remember a high school text book that talked about somatotypes and used John Candy, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Woody Allen as examples. It didn't give credence to the personality types but said that many people make first impressions based on them. I look more like an endomorph but I'm more of an ectomorph in personality.
This is a great past time example of why we need to be careful of protecting our privacy- so personal data can't be shared, stolen, or generally exploited. Don't put all your personal info on the "cloud".
He was the first reddit user, and he was ahead of his time.
him: Mail me your nudes! Ha ha ha...
them: Ha ha ha ha...
Him: Seriously.
Them: Okay...
Eugene Wong Sorry, but you are Wong!
ok
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sorry, it's kind of cold in this poorly heated 1940's classroom.
"Send nudes."
1880s: Okay, just give me a moment...
1940s: This sounds a bit fishy...
Post-1970s: Eww no
wish i went to college in late 1800s :/
Good luck when your spine is snapped playing American football
Drævn Ëvans - Um, Gridiron Football wasn't invented until well after the 1800's. Good non sequitur, there.
You mean “I wish I was Sheldon cooper in the 1800s”
Egilhelmson 1880s is where it began
why though...
They did it so the professors know which students to hook up with
Anything for that extra credit
Good god I'm glad they don't do this anymore.
I would never want a nude picture of myself taken by my college to be used in this way.
For that matter, colleges shouldn't take naked pictures of their students under nearly all circumstances anyway.
Using data obtained from people without their consent or knowledge is still common and typically considered acceptable -- you just have to use data collected before the study officially began and call it "archival." My master's thesis was done this way -- and people in the lab wanted to push it further, suggesting I publish EEG data on a personal friend who had never signed or agreed to anything because it was now "archival" (this I did not do).
Are you sure? I mean.. I watch as many naked pictures of college students as I can and I'm pretty sure I'm improving!
one thing that is true is the stipulation that sometimes comes with our looks can definitely affect ( NOT DETERMINE ) your personality if you perceive it in a positive or negative way.
Yeah and last month an AI could predict your sexual orientation just by looking at facial features.
showing hundreds of nude photos of young people to strangers who asked to see them? how could that possibly go wrong!?
male nudes= ok
female nudes= not ok
what is that paradigm about ANSWER ME please.
the fist to found out was a female.
jakub rembacz back in 1880 it was offensive to show knee if u were a woman. Yes, swimsuits for womans were like normal clothes now. Maybe thats why?
(For men it was totaly normal and not offensive)
depends on the country
in europe it was extremely offensive as far as i know
europe is a country and england is my city
jakub rembacz 😂😂😂😂 nice meme.. but, here in my country, guys can walk around shirtless (when it's hot out) and nobody would care. Women need to cover up, but sexy clothes are allowed.
"Which is kind of a HUGE RED FLAG." YOU DON'T THINK? That made me laugh so hard
I can't wait to see what seemingly harmless practice of today will make us all cringe in shame in 2050.
I love how the personalities linked with the body types were entirely based on stereotypes and not science at all
eww
i do not want to take a photo that i had to give to some random guy who basically discriminates my body and personality
Photo more like painting
that sounds even more weirder
I am a graduate of the US Naval Academy at Annapolis, Class of 1965. The Academy's Physical Training Department had created "Squads" to improve our bodies, if they were less than optimal. Two of those "Squads" that come to mind are the "Sub-Squad" for those who could not pass swim tests, and the "Weak-Squad" for those who were not strong enough to pass certain Applied Strength tests. By the time my class was there, 1961 through 1965, the "Posture Squad" was no longer part of the curriculum. But occasionally we heard references to it.
Near graduation, some classmates and I were exploring unused parts of buildings, just to see what we'd find. In a big heap at the bottom of a defunct circular stairway we came upon hundreds of photographs pasted onto cardboard files. The pictures showed guys taken at three angles, front, back and side. They were clad in only jock straps. I realized that we were looking at posture photos, some went back to the Thirties.
I could only guess that some of the instructors perusing the pix were interested in more than posture.
So what were they doing with the pictures? No explanation.
Yeah thats what happens when you skip to the end
I remember practical anatomy class in the Netherlands. The professor stripped down to his underwear and said "now your turn". Jokes were made about those who wanted to keep their tank tops on but at least no photos were taken :/
I wanted to make a joke
I'm so grateful to *Philipe* who saved me from embarrassment the blackmailers would have caused. He removed all nude pictures without taking much time
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"They took the photos to evaluate posture."
_Suuuuuuuuuuure they did._
I was a day student at a New England boarding school. Photos were taken with the boys in jock straps. ~1972, 7th or 8th grade.
I kinda did my own version of this as a salesman. I observe personalities then I put them into categories and then made subcategories of the main categories to determine what a new person's personality would be based on certain triggered reactions.
0:36 I know the only Sheldon who could be able to do this... Dr. Sheldon Cooper... BAZINGA!
Reported for nudity
Every reference to 'Sheldon' makes me think of Big Bang Theory's Sheldon Cooper...
cool shirt :)
I'm an ectomorph...and an introvert. Lmfao. The accuracy.
So making the male collection is fine, but the atlas of women immediatly wasn't? :thinking:
Nothing happened until a parent sued him and that parent happened to have a daughter. If her parents hadn't sued him he would have just continued. Conversely, if a parent with a son had sued him, his work would have been taken down even sooner.
Usually the simplest, most logical explanation is the right one.
Neither was fine. He didn't have consent. He just published the male one first. He would have gone on had he not been caught. There is no guarantee that all the young men were of legal age which is why it is redacted. It should have been recalled but that is like trying to take a pic off the internet. As to why the male was published first: maybe the "psychologist" was homosexual. Maybe the publisher though it would be easier to get the public to accept it published as a "medical" associated journal. Maybe he took longer to look thru the female pictures. Since those pics were coerced they should be considered as porn and not as any legit compendium necessary in any form.
My volume was off when I started this video, but I could still hear your shirt.
Link between body shape and personality? No. But body shape has an effect on self-image, which DOES have some link to personality.
Body shape does have an effect on self image, but that depends on the group you are a part of. If you live in a society where everyone is over weight, then being over weight is not a problem. Say sumo wrestlers or samoans (?) If you live in a society where everyone is thin same thing. Think ballet dancers. Granted my examples are not the best.
But it's not the body shape that affects the personality. It what the society thinks about body shape that affects the personality. If you look at yourself in the mirror and don't like what you see, it's because society has told you that what you see is not what they want to see. And is therefore bad. But without external influences, there would be nothing to suggest that personality is affected by body shape. It's body image that affects personality. And that is dictated by where and when you live.
It seems weird to think that there wouldn't be a correlation. Mood, temperament and personality all have effects on health and physical activity so a lot of those traits likely led to a lot of those body types, or at least that's what you would expect. I get people are born with a certain body type, but a lot of the difference would likely come down to physical activity and self control, both being good indicators of other behaviours.
OMG!!! people not being covered by thin sheets of cloth! how outrageous!
You are correct
Sheldon was still sort of in vogue when I was in college and we once "classified" a number of males based on their body photos and then analyzed the degree of concordance/discordance in the class. Of course, some were clear-cut but many more showed mixed characteristics, just as people's personalities do. The classifications aren't entirely bunk but probably accurate only at the extremes.
Unpopular opinion: a lot of research along the lines of linking physicality to mental traits was never actually debunked. It simply became anathema.
Both my parents , both my godparents and many family friends all went to Ivy League schools in the 1960s.
Never heard of this nude photo shoot thing.
I'm glad I never had that done. I hate it when people see me naked and ask about my deformities.
When I was a Junior in high school in 1969, I was looking through an outdated science book which said bad posture indicates mental illness and messing with pimples on your forehead and around your nose can cause brain damage. The book was from the late 50s.
I always find the history of science fascinating, there is a lot of creepy and disturbing experiments, using people without their consent.
Hey man, Taking a Nude Photo's a good way to start the year!
Airs all your dirty laundry out. Confidence builder!
Wow! I'm so relieved now, I appreciate it so much *Solipide.* This blackmailers tensioned my life, even threatened me and my family but Solipide rescued me and deleted all my sexting pictures and videos
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I'm gonna need a gif of hank saying, "that's a huge red flag" asap
There's an old cliché, promulgated by graduate chairs, that to make it through grad school one should not expect to live richly... there's another cliché that the gods did not care how the animals that could talk saw them but they did wear empiric headdresses adorned with cobras and hawks... And there's yet another cliché that Job would leave the way he came.
Very interesting. Will be funny conversation with my mom next week. My soda exited my nose when i heard the name. Sheldon, lol. Big bang fan here duh. Love Jo
I'm 63 and luckily back in 1972 when I started in a Florida university, this never took place.
Sheldon from the big bang theory 🤣🤣🤣
Still seems like it took them a long time to phase out the pictures even after all the scandals and realizations that it was bad and irrelevant
𝗛𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝑍𝐸𝐿𝐿𝐻𝐴𝐶𝐾1 𝗼𝗻 !𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗺𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗲 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗺𝘆 𝘀𝗰𝗵𝗼𝗼𝗹 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗰𝗸𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗱 𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝘀𝘂𝗰𝗰𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗳𝘂𝗹𝗹𝘆 ...𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝗿𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘃𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗶 𝗺𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗼𝘂𝘁𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲....
So embarrassing getting going through blackmailing, I’m grateful to 𝚉𝙴𝙻𝙻𝙷𝙰𝙲𝙺𝟷 on insta who helped me by erasing all videos against me.
I got a Facebook ad before this, gee I wonder why...
I've learned about Sheldon in the past; I never knew about his relationship with naked college student photos. Eughh!
I think the only place you'll still see somatotypes used any more is drawing classes, where they can held give a basic idea of human proportions. I think - I'm no an artist.
*mom walks in while there's naked people on my screen*
mom: what's are you doing?
me: uhhh...mhh....just researching the difference among the three types of somatotypes. *phew*