Boston Survives Game 1 + Biggest Conference Finals Concerns | The Hoop Collective
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Brian Windhorst is joined by Tim Bontemps and Tim MacMahon to react to an eventful Game 1 of the Eastern Conference Finals, Boston coming out on top despite the Pacers seeming to have the game in hand and what this means for the rest of the series before talking expectations for Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals. Plus, the Cojones Factor Player of Round 2 is revealed and we debate who is better between Anthony Edwards and Jayson Tatum.
0:00 Intro
1:02 Celtics Survive Wild Game 1 vs. Pacers
12:47 NBA Awards Impact On Players
18:34 Concern For Celtics In This Series?
34:27 Ant VS. Tatum Debate
37:08 Cojones Factor Player of Round 2
48:58 Expectations For Western Conference Finals
53:33 Thanks For Watching!
☑️ Subscribe to ESPN+: plus.espn.com/
📱Get the ESPN App: www.espn.com/espn/apps/espn
🏀 Subscribe to NBA on ESPN on UA-cam: bit.ly/2yxs3Og
☑️Subscribe to ESPN on UA-cam: es.pn/SUBSCRIBEtoUA-cam
☑️Watch ESPN on UA-cam TV: es.pn/UA-camTV - Спорт
![MT09 | TOCADA FORTE COM A MT09 [4K]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/cU2zChfga-g/mqdefault.jpg)
Bringing up Ant dropping 38 on Tatum and ignoring the 2nd meeting where Tatum dropping 45 is nasty nasty work.
Yeah, they didn't see Ant turn the ball over driving to right wing in that game, and Tatum had the kill shot 3 in broken play right after.
What they typically do on here 😂
It’s kinda sad how anti Celtics they are. Probably for ratings but it’s just annoying
They don’t want to say anything that goes against their narratives
Anytime Windhorst is involved in a conversation about the celtics you know you're about to hear a braindamaged take. The dude is an otherworldly Celtics hater
Win by 20: “Competition is terrible”
Win by
East is trash though
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive, but Boston definitely isn't a trash team, just not the best imo.
@@laythefoundation2083 the West is not a juggernaut either.
Because the competition is still terrible
Casuals ain’t gonna talk about tatum’s defense which was super impressive he’s versatility and gaurding 1-5 last night and important defensive plays
We'll talk once he doesn't choke like the last 20 years
12 boards too. A number of big ones.
Regular season stats, Tatum beat Anthony Edwards in pts per game, FG percentage, and 3pt percentage. lol.
It feel like the media(Espn) hate the Celtics and Tatum 😭. When they blow teams out they’re not tested, when they have a clutch game and pull out the W the media isn’t moved. Tatum was a +20, locked down on D, scored 10 in OT and sealed the game.
Tatum was cold in the 4th on offense, but he had clutch moments defensively and redeemed himself in OT… But MAN the JT hate is insane in general
Celtics and Minnesota played two regular season games, you remembered what Ant did in one for his 39 points, did you not see what Tatum did in the other for 45?
Yes, but Tatum is a certified choker for years so nobody should mention anything good about him
lol and the ant game was the 1st game lol
Zero acknowledgement of Tatum's dominant first three quarters and 10 points in OT including the dagger three. Not to mention 12 boards and savage defense the entire game, including smothering Hali on the final shot of regulation. Dude had 36, 12 with 4 assists and three steals, with a plus/minus of +20. Celtics were -15 in the few minutes he was off the court. But let's only focus on the two shots he missed. These tabloid level takes tell me that these guys don't really know ball.
Tatum is the most underrated and under appreciated Star in the league.
Jackson must've been working extra hard to get this out at 7am 😂
Meh. Just a few edits and cuts. Any 8th grader can do that on their cell phone these days. No disrespect to jackson, of course.
@@69gvfbuse me as a dislike button
I don't remember it exactly but I heard a stat during the game that in the Cavs seties, Tatum lead the Celtics in ppg, rpg, apg, and spg (or something like that) and the only other player in NBA HISTORY to do this was LeBron.
He gets SO much hate, it''s ridiculous.
I absolutely get it that he's way too inconsistent, doesn't always pass the eye test, and seems to disappear at times but the amount of hate is so unbelievably disproportionate it's unexcusable.
ESPN I’ve noticed is really anti Celtics. They got so many west coast guys at the top I feel
36pts, 12rebs, 4ast..a WIN!And he disappeared? 😂 This is pure hate😢😂😂😂
He didn't make a bucket for the last 8:31 of the fourth which included a stretch where he took one shot in almost 8 minutes, missed 2 open shots in the last 36 seconds of the game but then went OFF for 10 in OT. Yeah, he disappeared for a crucial stretch but we hung in long enough for him to get back in the game. Brown said pretty much that in the post game.
Jason Tatum was clutch
@@holstorrsceadus1990 Tatum never disappears his impact is felt even when he isn’t scoring. He’s also the best defender on the court
Did you watch the game? Tatum was terrible in the 4th quarter. If the Pacers would've used their time out on the inbound with 10 seconds to go, Boston would've lost that game. The Pacers blew it...
Just imagine if he didn't?😂😂😂😂
40:00 "Grab your pocketprotector and let me cook" is an all-time McMahon line.
DUFUS.. SUPER NERD LMAOO
I would respect the media if they just came out & said they don't like Celtics and actively root for them to lose. Ant Edwards isn't better than Tatum, he might be in the near future but come on.
I think a lot of people would take Ant over Tatum. A lot of people would take Tatum over Ant. It's at least a discussion, in terms of the playoff runs they've both had this year
@@jgates9786 yeah I think Ant is great, I just think Tatum is underrated and people are taking for granted what he's done so far. Tatum went to the ECF as rookie after the team lost their 2 best players and seems like people scoff at things like that. I think Ant needs a couple more consistent years, unless he wins the chip, then he leaps over a bunch of players.
"Soccer is boring" its only boring if you focus on scoring, soccer is a pure sport.
I got Windhorst comparison, Pacers play a free style, a lot of quick passes, it does feel like an elite soccer european team.
I mean I don't watch football much these days but ain't nothing fast about possession based football man (which most of the best teams play now). Its slow and precise, breaking down a team. Liverpool of a few years ago might be more like the pacers, but what do I know. I do know it's called football
Tatum was a plus 20. Idk why it's hard for people to comprehend he does things outside of scoring that impacts the game. He's not a one dimensional player stop treating him as such.
Where was he in the Warriors final?
@@pytube777I can’t think of a single player in the league that fans bring up something from 2 years ago to try and criticize them. Just say you don’t like Tatum and move on
Windy I love the soccer reference, as a Latin american it is relatable, don't let these americans tell you it is boring, it is the most watched sport in the world for a reason! Tell MacMahon and Bontemps they should watch the Champions League finals Sat Jun 1st!
Nobody cares
@@nonya8966 literally the whole world cares
The hate on Tatum is strong in this one....
So fun listening to these guys 🤘🤘🤘
Jayson Tatum almost gave me a heart attack last night
LMAO facts
I totally agree. The Celtics are a heart attack team. You need an ambulance on standby.
One way or another, it's always good to pull it out at the end.
35:50 MacMahon says he watched a game where Tatum was matched up with Ant, who scored 38pts and took Tatum's cookies that day. Tim must have missed that 2nd Celtics-Wolves game where Tatum dropped 45pts including 14pts in the 4th and another 12pts in Overtime.
I'm not saying that one player is better than the other right now just that Tim MacMahon is bashing Jayson Tatum for one performance while forgetting that JT totally redeemed himself the next time those two teams met.
Bro 71 and 81 mil for one season is crazy to think about bro like seriously 😳
The goat basketball pod
Bontemps said it perfectly: "these Ant stuff are insane"
Jalen Brown showed he’s worth his contract
I cant believe my ears. Tim Bontemps is actually the one on this pod defending Tatum and the Celtics
I can’t remember but were they out of timeouts? Did they take the last one?
That’s an all time nba playoff shot by Brown that’s completely getting brushed over.
The Celtics could win four games and then the next four and the exact same fashion and you know what all of this conversation that the media has had will amount to..... nothing.
This ain't Forza Motorsport. No style points here. I don't care how they get it done as long as they do. I don't care who they get it done against.
They won. The NBA isn't going to give the pacers a win because everyone else feels like they played better.
The last two series were 4-1 and they have far and away the best record.
It's crazy because if they lose a close game, they argue that it shouldn't be that close. If they get blown out then it's like a disaster. If they win in a blowout, it's not a big deal because it means the other team is weaker. And if they win a tight game.... It's still bad because it was so tight.
That's insanity.
Like it's insane that people are actually walking around functioning like that.
Special Guest Appearance from Krusty the Clown at 13:35 😂
What is the "sundail three" reference?
Ant truth be told isn't better than Brown yet.
How many attempts does it take one of these three to make a free throw?
I love McMahon and his opinions on soccer 😂
McMahon deserves massive respect for making a lot happen with very little 😂😂😂
Really enjoyed this episode.
Right about Sabonis. As a Kings fan, it's pretty funny to have Sabonis on any defensive team. What's up with that?
Ant who shrunk in the biggest game of his career? What did he do in game 7?
Pretty sure he won
Listening to the end of regulation, one has to question the Pacers basketball IQ. Mentally prepare yourselves for the situation at every break in play. How does that game go to OT? Golden opportunity to put the Cs in a tough spot. It's on the players. Celtics took advantage.
Commenting at roughly 2 minutes in..
This situation the Pacers are in reminds me A LOT of GSW vs. SAS back in the 12-13 playoffs. GSW should've won that game, easily, in regulation, and then lost in heartbreaking fashion in OT.. Everyone thought they'd get beat by like 20+ in gm2 but they actually won that game, lol (Klay went 8/9 from 3 for 34pts and 14rebs).. SAS won in 6, but it could've been MUCH different had GSW held on in game 1..
Maybe they make it to the WCF or further..
Maybe Jackson's at a point where he's too successful to get fired, so they keep it in-house..
Kerr never goes to GS.. Takes the Knicks job instead (was on the table for him, but Steph was too good to pass up, lol)..
KD probably never ends up in GS either (the offense would NEVER get to the efficiency level of Kerr under Jackson. Jackson was too old school. Slow-paced, grind em down, 90's basketball. They were LAST in the league in assists per game and went to #1 in Kerr's first year, lol.. So, they'd never win 73 games and be a #1 seed in the West.. Just another team with a ball dominant player battling for 3-6 seedings, lol)..
Big time Butterfly Effect 'what if', imo..
PJ nickname now is Mr. Ain’t Goin 🤣 he stand on business fr
All those mistakes in the 4th didn't win the game for the Celtics nor lost the game for Pacers they were tied and the Celtics won it in overtime with defense and timely shots by Tatum...no need for the ifs the buts the nonsense the media always talks about after, Pacers still had a fresh 5 mins to get it done and didn't. GAME!
BonTimps could be Woody Harrison stunt man 😂 lets go ☘
He would steal everybody else's lines and not let them complete a sentence
McMahon’s comment on soccer automatically makes him an idiot
It seems to me that Botempts has been making an effort to be more charming. I love it, particularly because it seems to be so forced and really feel apart last podcast when he starting shouting at/bullying Brian during the Luka/Ant discussion. Don;t get me wrong , I thoroughly enjoy the guy and often get a kick out of his abrasiveness. But I also enjoy what I see as these recent attempts to smile and laugh a bit.
Nembhard 3 was the best shot of the playoff. Clear Cojones winner
Insane how we’re already declaring Ant is better than Tatum 😂
I felt like I was watching an NCAA tournament game instead of an NBA playoff game.
Tyrese is the same age of these college studs nowadays
Tillman was a disaster in the cavs loss. Basically hasnt seen the floor since.
Focus on the beauty of the game Tim 😂😂
boost on shot 30 free throwcould have been more lot fouls wernt called on tatum mostly
W pod today
Just careless turnovers by the Pacers pretty much the whole game. Granted, it was a great shot by Jaylen Brown. The Pacers still should have fouled. At worse, you foul them taking a 3-pointer and Brown could still miss one instead of giving up a 3-pointer in rhythm. The Pacers blew this game.
LET MACMAHON COOK!!!
What is up with the double standards about Tatum? You guys are such haters…smh
i dont understand 36 points he didnt play well???????????????? what game did yall watch??? dont forget he also had 3 steals that means he was playing defense mannnnnnnnnnnn stop the hate already
Go Pacers bounce back and shock the world
Calling soccer boring when baseball still exists is ironic. Watch the Champions League, for example.
Moreover, no one cares about the NFL outside the U.S. but soccer on the other hand is a worldwide sport.
At least we have the NBA to love and agreed 😂
“They lost the game because of two preposterous turn overs” Windy.. call it what it is, they were subject to the pressure of our DEFENSE and turned the ball over. There’s a difference my guy :)
Watching Windy try his hardest to pleeeaaaad his case that the Celtics suck is almost un-watchable. I mean after watching these guys day in and out for a year or so now, it's nothing new. But holy smokes, they have no problem giving random bums in the league that have a good night their flowers. Tatum went 36/4/12 while having multiple stars around him that also need the ball. And its like rah rah rah Tatum and Brown suck smh
Guys, Tatum was a +20, and Tatum iced the game in OT. Why are you acting like the Celtics are terribly?
BC they are on paper the clear better team and should have won that game in regulation with at least +10 pts. BC of games like this, Boston is critized. And whoever they will meet in the Finals, they can't afford to play like this..
@scottipippen6935 so if they blow people out "they aren't ready for tight games" and when they win a tight game " why didn't they blow them out?" It's crazy.
@@scottipippen6935 Scoring 36 points in an overtime win in the ECF, especially when you score 11 of the 16 in the OT and the game-sealing 3-pointer, is NOT a hollow achievement.
How is Brown giving Boston a second chance different from Havlicek bailing out Russell to win a game or Bird stealing the ball and passing to DJ to win a game?
You NEVER apologize for winning a Playoff game, even if it's ugly.
Holiday om the SECOND team is laughable. Goes to show you what kind of a joke the awards are.
These awards are given by writers... Most of them have yet to play a single minute in an NBA game
Are you a Celtics fan? Have you watched every game jrue has played this year? If not, kindly stfu
Facts he shoulda been third team I agree
@@joeylanders3964 There's not a third team. Clearly your opinion is qualified
@@Earl_E_Burdthat was the joke there bud lol. Dude clearly wants him on 1st team when he isn’t better then the 5 on there
This 15-15 home record in 3 years narrative is so tiresome. In that time span they have gone to the finals and 2 conference finals. If it was anyone but the celtics they'd talk about how deadly the team is on the road, 4-0 this playoffs btw
Man it’s crazy how much Tatum is criticized. Yes he had a rough 4th quarter but he carried them in overtime. That’s why it’s a team sport is because it’s unrealistic to be amazing for an entire 48 minutes
Closing out the 4th is what the stars are supposed to do. The Celtics are lucky they stuck around long enough for Jayson to get going again. Good thing they have more than one star.
@@holstorrsceadus1990 I understand your point but it wasn’t like he was being passive in the fourth, his shots just weren’t falling. Watching the game you could see they were skillful and they just rolled out a lot of the time. It wasn’t like he was bricking them. Then in OT he came through so he redeemed it
Jason Tatum was clutch
Thanks to McMahon for pointing out theyre killing Tatum despite he actually did pretty good
Lmao keep on watching he then calls Tatum a second tier superstar and declares ANT is clearly better than him 🤣🤣
Saying a player who scored 16 points in game seven is better than someone who scored 51 points in game seven is revisionist history at its finest. Ant Edwards is not better than Jason Tatum and you clearly don’t watch basketball if you think the regular season game meant more than the playoffs. Anthony Edwards has only won two playoff series, but he’s been in the playoffs more than just one year.
"you clearly don't watch basketball"
Jayson was terrible- bontempts. Sigh this is becoming their schtick. If embiid did that he was be all googly eyed and saying what a warrior
Pacers should be scared. Boston should have lost and played well overall but did not shoot the 3 very well (30ish percent). Boston could easily crush Pacers if Pacers stop hitting their shots and Celtics stop the fast breaks.
Windhorst looking like mark kabolys cousin
They actually lost if haliburton hit that 3 so game 2 gonna be epic
Y’all are such haters lmaooo
Celtics fans so salty that they been the best team in league yet nobody picking them to win it all 😂😂
36/12/4 and is getting cooked. Ant scores 18 points on 6/24 in a game 7 and gets called the next MJ
I love the pod but man the interruptions and speaking over each other is close to unbearable
This team goes as far as JAYLEN BROWN takes them
team canada revenge season
Celtics are loosing respect with every passing moment. Not so fast. Jrue Holiday is a difference maker, better in crunch time than Liliard. Cs will be well rested heading to the finals while the Mavs and Wolves are still wearing each other down. Bucks ain't lov'in that move.
The Celtics win …but……… narrative is getting so exhausting
I took a deep breath and Antman 🐜 still better than Tatum 🫘
Pacers don’t have the playoff experience to handle pressure situations. That’s all. They will lose this series because of that.
MacMahon, youre Tatum take is horrible. Shame. Shame.
Cojones factor! 🔥🔥🔥
windy hates boston they trashed best team in nba
Typical Celtics hate lol
I like luka but bontemps makes me want to root for edwards so much
Bontemps has severe ADHD bruh why haven't yall addressed this? 👨🏿⚕️🤣🤣
Y’all should be ashamed of yourselves some of the most lopsided reporting I’ve ever seen everyone in the national media needs to take a step back and reevaluate where their opinions are coming from. despicable
The Jayson Tatum agenda is so blatant! 36 pts 12 reb 4 ast 3 stl and a +20… Tatum is just so horrible and stinking up the place 🤣
it's football not soccer
these guys are clowns. windy kinda chill
Siakam attacks the paintv& rim more than Tatum & Brown. You all need to watch the game with objective. He got not a single ft last night.
Crazy how bontemps has no Time to talk about the 30-10 free throw differential but if it were the Lakers or another team that doesn't shoot threes the whole game like the Celtics do that's all bontemps would be talking about
Read between the lines: Of course Bontemps isn’t high on Ant Edwards. He doesn’t quite fit the mold they like 😂😂
What type of card are you pulling now 😂😂😂😂
It’s quite easy to not like Ant. Doesn’t take much, dude is just a show boater who hasn’t won anything yet. Yet he is apparently the second coming of Jordan GTFO.
@@Neofilmcritic I’m not surprised bro, he stayed true and unless you turn corporate or sell out they don’t accept you in the space
Question for everyone - would the Celtics be any worse if they just made Brown the #1 option and made Tatum the #2?
Tatum is a better playmaker than JB
Jaylen brown can’t even shoot free throws bruh stop talking you don’t know ball
Game to game they do sometimes. Jayson just stays the media #1.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE JB, and he's got that dog in him, but... no.
I believe he just had his playoff career high in assists with... 7. Meanwhile, JT had 1 or 2 (can't remember) triple doubles and led the team in assists in the Cavs series.
These guys don’t know ball
I hope one day the NBA will adopt AI officiating. Gone are the days when just looking at a referee or laughing would merit a technical foul or worse an ejection. Let's remove egos and emotions from officiating so we can enjoy the game as it was meant to be focusing on the players and the sport itself, rather than getting frustrated with referees.
Been saying this humans cannot ref basketball games everything is subjective and there are way too many wrong calls
I'm sure the NBA and gambling are just itching to give up their agents of influence that help capitalize on millions of dollars in opportunity.
Such a joke of a podcast
The Hoop Collective’s coverage of Celtics is absolutely pathetic. In no way are they spoken about on an even playing field as other teams. Large aspects of their games are ignored to prop up their talking points. They’ll then speak about a different team and give them credit for something they’ve just punished the Celtics for.