unironically it really is. it's cause of what the plan to release in the next few months. I expect fiendsmith to be the package released alongside anni and will define the meta for that year. Jokingly we could see a release of orcust cards in january to capitalize on this unbanning of knightmare cards to then have those trend for a month prior to fiendsmith. At least the current prospect is more exciting than seeing yubel snake eyes again and again.
As someone who doesn't play Master Duel regularly anymore but is a rabid fan of MBT's content, my opinion of this unbanlist is that with Goblin and Mermaid back, the Dueltainers will now go beyond cold fusion. They're gonna hit Zero-Point energy type shit real soon.
Ever since they announced this I've been trying to crack it in goblin biker because you can clatter sploder it back. The problem is there's 11 million problems with doing anything for it
Master Peace is beans. It's way easier to just randomly throw a 3k beater on board and all the actually "good" draco cards like all the draw power and floodgates are hit. This deck isn't going to do anything. Like are we really going to be happy about having to use draco effect on a Flamberge to avoid getting ran over in battle?
The scariest thing about Knightmare Goblin is that it's going to enable more decks to do things like "make Gallant Granite, search Fossil Dyna, link off with other bodies for Goblin, and then normal Fossil Dyna." Some people might read this and laugh or roll their eyes, but decks like Vaylantz have been basically using Fossil Dyna as an FTK leveraged by the fact that the deck doesn't need its normal summon. Now imagine something like Ritual Beast does the same thing they've been doing with Infernal Flame Banshee into Nemeses Flag for either Thunder Dragon Colossus or Archnemeses Protos, but instead it's Fossil Dyna. That's arguably much scarier in a best of 1 meta where the biggest limiting factor for Protos is not knowing what your opponent is playing.
@@heulg.darian2536 Eh, only 3 out of the 19 Ritual Beast decks posted to mdmeta in the last 2 weeks have cut the engine, and none of those are tournament tops. Not to mention, the whole point was that Fossil Dyna is arguably better anyway. So just because they cut Infernal Flame Banshee and Nemeses Flag doesn't mean they won't use Gallant Granite, Fossil Dyna, and Knightmare Goblin.
@@heulg.darian2536 Eh, only 3 out of the 19 decks posted to mdmeta in the last 2 weeks have cut the engine. All of those are from ladder where I already said Protos's biggest weakness is not knowing what your opponent is playing. And the whole point was that this is arguably an upgrade, so just because they cut it before the [arguable] upgrade, doesn't mean they won't add the new version back in.
I haven’t been asking for it back, but I’ve been using the Galatea mate for like months now, so I’m looking forward to actually playing with her instead of just having her vibe while I lose to Tenpai.
I'd actually prefer MD to play around like this more. Worst case scenario, we get a bad format for a month or two, and some of these cards have to go back on the banlist. But they're finally leveraging MDs online nature and giving us some crazy banlisy decisions. Would have been nice to see them try this earlier, like banning all the ishizu millers and keeping the initial MD tear hits and seeing what happens, but we are finally seeing MD doing more interesting stuff with the banlist.
I didn't ask for these, but as someone with the whole Orcust archetype crafted (except for the bad backrow and my third Girsu), I'm absolutely gonna be crafting Mermaid and going crazy, so long as all my dust isn't eaten by missing pulls on White Woods
Be interesting if Goblin lets those two decks play together really well. Spell/Traps are able to set themselves when used for Goblin's cost, pretty sure.
I think people comparing orcust to fiendsmith miss the point: Orcust is full of bricks and garnets, while fiendsmith every single card is a one card combo. The reason why the kash fiendsmith works in TCG is for multiple reasons, but some are: -Overall lower ceiling on combos: A lot of generic boss monsters are banned in TCG, so having a lower to the ground endboard is not that far away from "full combo" -Kashtira main deck monsters are all unlimited -You run pretty much 0 bricks. None of this are true in MD with the mermaid decks. Why would I play orcust with a lot of handtraps when I can play SEFK with the same amount of handtraps and end on twice the interruptions thanks to Apollousa being unbanned? Also goblin is doing nothing that we couldn't already do anyways. Just think about it, if you have enough materials to summon it and use the normal summon, and you haven't gotten nibbed yet, that game was already won anyways. Even on a deck that might properly use it, like Spyral, it does nothing to fix the main issue of the deck (No 1 card combos)
The problem with super combo decks is that they're competing not only with the opponent but the timer. I believe that that's the main reason decks like Spyral aren't terrorizing the meta.
People in chat saying that the dark lock with the orcust package is a problem are actually insane, let's just say you go phoenix into mermaid into knightmare, then you go moon into full fiendsmith combo and do your normal plays, THEN at the end of the turn you go orcust combo, what even is the problem?
Scythe lock, verte, promethian princess and seraphnite engine exist and the only one that’s being used is bestower of flames. Bestower deserves a ban more than any of the cards unbanned so I think you’re dead on the money
Like he said, this doing nothing is the best case scenario, so why do it in the first place? This makes the game worse regardless of if it ends up being good or not
@@kingnewgameplus6483nah, theres already a lot ftks and degen stuff that unhitting the less broken enablers doesnt do much. No point in keeping powercrept cards on the list especially when you consider there are already plenty of ftks and degen setups legal and unplayed. Scythe lock, silva hand loop, etc. do not see any play despite being at basically full power. Dont fall for the doomposting the occurs everytime one of these get unhit.
@@kingnewgameplus6483 Let MD be its own format and have fun experimenting with cards. I don't think they will be meta defining and most cases not even relevant but some of them are fun to play with (except Goblin who should immediately go back to banned if anyone uses him to summon Fossil Dyna)
@@kingnewgameplus6483 i dont see an issue on testing to see if its ok. luckily it is digital so konami can make changes fast. these decks will only enable weaker rogue decks as top tier decks dont even need these things. there might be new non-sense sure but nothing that yubel or tenpai isnt already doing or going to do with fiendsmith. tldr i think its gonna be ok
We have 3 Saryuja and it only shows up on sub replay friday goblin is fine. Even if a big problem deck does show up master duel can just do a fast ban list and hit whatever the problem is.
seeing some people say "oh goblin is fine back because you could seraphinite instead" is entirely incorrect, brilliant fusion is still banned in the tcg and limited in both master duel and the ocg of course theyre not going to play an unsearchable 1-of with a hard garnet compared to goblin which just needs a discard and to be summoned to a MMZ take into account how a lot of the current meta strategies arent even playing many light monsters, i suppose the only exception would be like, sending bystial lubellion?
Yeah the shit that makes goblin scary is that any hand with two monsters can make him without needing to search for a spell or anything. Just fart out 2 monsters and not only do you get the extract normal, but also full Orcust combo on top of that (and the extra discard/draw, but that honestly is very tame in comparison to everything else). Best case scenario is that it turns out to still not be ideal but you just know he'll be used for heinous shit regardless of how actually good he is.
Mermaid is fine. I can see Orcust being splashed in dark centric decks as a backup plan or making Crescendo and Ding Dong a part of an end board. It doesn't play as nice as Fiendsmith, nor does it do as much which is fine in my opinion. It does however become a massive issue the moment Iblee is off the banlist. Goblin, however, is terrifying. Yubel is probably the frontrunner for meta decks that can take advantage of Goblin and I've seen a few lines in Tenpai that can give them some bite on turn one, but this feels like a nut that is waiting to be cracked. The best case scenario is what MBT said where it's just a Dueltaining/Table500 staple for 5 card combos that need 57 takes to get off the ground. Worst case scenario, this card is going enable degenerative locks that can only be outed by "drawing the out."
man im so confused rn, all those raid boss monsters unbanned, savage baronne and apoloussa wont be ban and we dont have fiendsmith yet, what in the konami is gonna happens during the next 6 months?????
I think that with a lot of the post pote power creep (particularly 2024), there are surprisingly few cards on the current banlist that are unsafe to take off.
Tbh, I've been playing fiendsmith with live twin, unchained, and yubel in the tcg and really enjoyed it, but I also played orcust and enjoyed it. I'm actually very happy with mermaid coming back exactly because I'll be able to play orcust in everything the same way i play fiendsmith in everything. Hell I'd even play orcust fiendsmith! My main argument with mbt's mermaid take is that it's not the existence of fiendsmith that makes mermaid ok to come back (though that is what everyone is saying), but rather the fact that orcust in it's current state, while powerful, is legitimately just a fun deck that leverages its low investment and high efficiency, rather than say, trying to turn skip you or set up 8 interruptions. It makes those game where you have to play against 4 handtraps a lot more bearable the same way fiendsmith does, because as long as you can put two bodies on the field you can still end on crescendo+dingirsu+your favorite generic endboard piece and still have a chance against a deck like snake eye or yubel.
Oh btw yall are sleeping on goblin. That card is way better than you think it is, and mbt is absolutely correct that unbanning unfun cards because they're bad/powercrept is incorrect, though i will say that goblin isn't anywhere near as bad as say tcboo, skill drain, anti spell, gozen, rivalry, mystic mine.
@@strangevol5264 goblin is an enabler, its a card that exists along the lines of cards like isolde, firewall dragon, spright elf, etc. Saying you can just ban the cards around goblin is like argung that a-assault core was a good hit because it was near firewall dragon. Goblin is crazy specifically because it's both an enabler for ftks or pachy locks, and it can also be used generically as a way to continue a combo that would have otherwise been stopped by interruptions.
Also, mbt just glosses over ib, but imo its actually the most important unlimit here. She's an SR, which alone already makes ib very f2p friendly, but all of her combo pieces come from the solo modes or the starter deck. She alone means that any way to get to a synchro 5 represents a link 5s worth of material and doesn't lock you or go through any URs, which means your dust can be saved for your endboard. The number one issue is extra deck space, but a new account isn't worried about that. Combo is Any way to a synchro 5 (draconnet? Is SR, summon Guardragon Justicia) Make ib in emz -> search world legacy succession(solo mode card) Link into gravity controller (R) Ib summons Lee (R) from deck -> search world legacy world chalice (R) Activate succession for justicia, then link justicia into imduk (R) Imduk effect to extra normal world legacy world chalice from hand, tribute gravity controller Link lee and world chalice off for Lib blademancer (SR) Chalice summons 2 world chalice monsters from deck, and lib can set any world legacy spell/trap. From here you have 5 link material and can probably do whatever you want, does lose hard to nib tho. Plenty of extender options as well, unexpected dai is an easy inclusion since it comes from the starter deck and you already natively play normals, dragon shrine (SR from dragon structure deck) can bin flamvell guard and baby guardragon to summon flamvell guard to any zone a link points to if a combo piece gets impermed, world legacy guardragon (R) reborns any level 4 or lower dragon, which you natively use in combo, etc. At the end of the day, you are just playing a link spam combo deck, but the other major deck that fills that niche is sunavalon, which is notably more expensive since it requires aromaseraphy jasmine, who is a UR, and also locks you into plants. The endboard is better in plants, but it also plays more garnets.
I love this all because it’s what I want master duel to be; a mild testing ground for banlists for the tcg. Let’s see what it’s like to play with goblin and mermaid again. And if they over perform, let’s ban them again in a month. Let’s see how these cards rock out, and ban the problem cards should they reappear as such.
Goblin is also full orcust combo with an extra normal summon in any deck looking to gy setup or discard cards, like spyral or snake eyes, or dark worlds just to guarantee the counter trap for anything
No the reason they released these cards is to add another contender to the list of engines that people play. These definitely are powerful but only really around the same as everything else in my opinion. This feels like it will add another layer to the ladder climb and honestly might really interesting
I mean, basically everything is topping rn, so Orcust being good doesn't worry me. Fiendsmith is still the better engine and adding Orcust on top of that isn't the best thing you can add to Fiendsmith
Goblin could probably be good in Memento, chimera, and well Goblin bikers These decks are kinda limited by their normal summons and getting an extra one gives you a lot of potential new lines
I think the best application is in mannadium as light-heart is an easy way to get the arrows you need, but you still need to get other 2 mats on field that you can't use for anything else somehow and have another monster you want summoned in your hand.
Knightmare Goblin is odd. For some decks I wanted to make, it would have been the perfect piece to Link the strategy together. Base World Legacy comes to mind. Which is more a for fun deck. You go Imduk, you go dragon, you go another link 1, you special back the normal, make goblin, get another normal, link 4. Or Key>Chalice. It's fun with just the World Chalice cards. In other cases... Where it is one of the few generic 2s of that link arrow at the time. The only other at the time was Ib. There are only 7 or so. Knightmare Goblin has the best effect among them besides Little Knight.
"Spyral is full power in MD" Nah bro is stuck in 2018. A large part about what made Goblin broken back then was MR4 ULinking with Gumblar hand ripping and a whole lot has changed since then. I'd be surprised if Goblin sees any serious play at all. Honestly this feels like an Engage situation. Mermaid is unironically scarier because it enables the more low to the ground midrange style combos that define competitive yugioh, still don't think every deck splashing Orcust is going to be enough to make it more than Rogue playable but turning 2 horus monsters in to Orcust combo is gonna feel good.
I agree with the Mermaid take. People are severely underestimating it. Also that 1k stat drop matters quite often. Also expect to see alot of Goblin in dueltaining going forward
As someone who sucks at the game, the main application I can see Goblin being used for (in Orcust specifically) is as a replacement for Barricadeborg off chance you draw into a bunch of cards you want in the graveyard. I think this would especially be helpful for players who don’t run cymbal or a danger variant of the deck. Edit: I’m stupid, wind attribute. I mean there’s probably some niche scenario where you’re able to set something up to summon it before you lock yourself into dark, but I doubt it.
Sounding a bit sick there, hope you feel better Joseph! I wish I could get my head around the whole link summon thing, but I'm still stuck back in olden day YGO where I just summon 1 or 2 monsters and call it a wrap for my turn cause I either play Charmer Stun/Control, or i play Mikanko and just OTK with Double Edged Sword and Lava Golem. Combo decks that spend 2 hours to set up a board just don't sound fun for me, so just reading the effect of "Summon an extra monster" or "Monsters not co-linked lose 1000 atk/def" sound cool TO ME, just cause I can splash them into Charmer to give my monsters more power and weaken my opponents further while I got Awakening and Unpossessed on my side.... the problem is just GETTING to that point, which I don't have the brain power to really think about
Really think of it this way. Would you rather have Knightmare Goblin in your extra deck or SP Little Knight. Clearly one is 100% stronger and does more. While Knightmare Goblin is a good card i don't see anyone really using it as much. You really need a one card combo that leads to having a way to use it second summon in the best way by also making sure it is co-linked so you get the extra draw. Mostly those two cards Mermaid and Goblin are great because they let you draw cards. Now it is hard to say with the new decks that just out pace them. Not that they aren't good but it would need something fast to be in and then hope you aren't playing anything that locks you.
The thing people forget, is that over time, with years into the game. Your 1 normal summon a turn became a tool to keep in check a cards power (remember how long Performapal Joker was on the ban list for the crime of... Normal summon search x effect) . Given the amount of cards that need to be normal summoned for x effect. Having all the different ways of gaining additional normals be either jank or built in to a theme thats kept locked to the theme (Floo), having the means to access an additional normal summon from the extra deck, is overpowered. It means any 2 engines that compete with a powerful effect on a normal summon, can now simply bridge to goblin and not have to pick between 2 choices to normal, you can get both. Goblin is not good for the game in anyway.
If you play an orcust deck, any 2 monsters becomes galatea doesn't mean a thing because the deck is orcust, you will summon galatea directly without mermaid. So the only thing is decks other than orcust will have cresendo. But be honest which deck will use that? I don't see a snake eye player put 1 or 2 hard garnets and 1 soft garnet in their decks and use 2 materials to go cresendo. I don't understand either the hype or the fear.
Iblee lock was starting to catch steam with yubel however, i do think they were going to ban iblee anyways given this banlist but yubel likely accelerated the decision
white wood can use goblin to summon vanity or jawgin or basically any light spell caster so there is alredy a top meta deck that probably going to use it snake eyes will probably prefer fiendsmith over it but they might do it it kinda of dose what saryuja dose but you only need 2 monsters and if it was disrupted you can go mermaid the simple way to say it is that its good we can also do a pile of machines (super heavy orcust) 60 cards not so sure if its viable but it basically can do everything going 1st
Nah dude that goblin is going to see play, maybe not in the current meta decks but in addition to full combo this thing WILL normal summon a floodgate that ends your opponents turn vanity’s,statues, fossil dyna, etc This will be the most annoying thing about Worst case scenario its just an extender
Even though some of these might turn out bad I'm excited anyways. Had a lot of fun with Orcust when Mermaid was around and I'm excited to see how they compare with her now.
Im currently messig around with a bizzare world legacy/orcust/horus build. Im not quite there yet but if I draw into something like orcust harp horror + any extender the turn one boards you can make now are pretty absurd. Hell i have a suspicion that if I changed some links around in the extra deck that theres potential to ULink as part of the main combo Im doing
Mermaid is honestly fine when you consider Fiendsmith will be a thing soon enough. Goblin is the real spookfest here honestly. Extra Normal for anything that wants it, Targeting protection in Link Spam sheananigans that needs something like DDKC, Sphere Mode, or Knightmare Incarnation Idlee(which can be grabbed from deck by Mermaid) to get rid of reliably.
Or a simple fat Zeus - it's not 2019 anymore, U-linking no longer locks your opponent out of the game like it did in MR4. There's also Droplet, DRNM, TY-PHON and various other non-targeting removal/negation that got released after goblin was banned
It's The Knightmare Before Christmas. I legit believe that's the reason.
lot more traction with this comment than on the Jesse Kotton clips one huh
unironically it really is. it's cause of what the plan to release in the next few months.
I expect fiendsmith to be the package released alongside anni and will define the meta for that year.
Jokingly we could see a release of orcust cards in january to capitalize on this unbanning of knightmare cards to then have those trend for a month prior to fiendsmith.
At least the current prospect is more exciting than seeing yubel snake eyes again and again.
@SrTNick1 yeah I made that one first but then I was like 'MBT's audience would love this shit'
Konami saw how much we all love Big Gabonga and decided to unlimit Knightmare Goblin
Engratiating goblins
Oh my god he counts as a goblin, doesn't he?
@@undeadinside3571Yes
@@undeadinside3571 So does Memento Goblin. Managed to make a goblin Memento deck which is extremely consistant.
@Wabinator thats pretty funny. Goblins really do support almost everything. Even generaider!
As someone who doesn't play Master Duel regularly anymore but is a rabid fan of MBT's content, my opinion of this unbanlist is that with Goblin and Mermaid back, the Dueltainers will now go beyond cold fusion. They're gonna hit Zero-Point energy type shit real soon.
They about to hit Phanon Runic Reactor at this point
Dueltaining is unlimited anyways
@@ajkcool They weren't craftable
@@StarfieldDisarray mermaid wasn't only goblin was
Master duel already had 300 different ftks lmao
next dueltaining episode: full knightmare extra lock with, somehow, a knightmare goblin in the EMZ
truly one of the yugioh of all times
That’d be lovely.
Oh man cannot wait to normal summon the barrier statue i just searched end combo by just going 2 mats into goblin
You can already do that shit in a ton of pend strats and no-one does it. Plants does it with cactus bouncer and when is the last time you saw plants.
okay now that you put it that way, oh god
Youve already lost to knightMAre archfiend ftk 😂😂😂
All 3 mekk-knight enjoyers, WE ARE SO BACK!
Why mekk-knight?
@alicepbg2042 Favorite deck, its playable with ib, but still cant do anything besides ftk or secrets control
Im so stoked for orcust
pfp checks out
Atlantean Orcust is back baby!
@@vamp567excuse me?
i agree
Facts can’t wait
Ever since they announced this I've been trying to crack it in goblin biker because you can clatter sploder it back. The problem is there's 11 million problems with doing anything for it
>goblin biker
This is akin to Fluffal players playing the Penguin support cards to search Fluffal Penguin.
Theres better ways to use the Knightmares. You can use Mermaid to summon Knightmare Orcust, then use him with Scrap Goblin to make Baronne
Bring it back for what? It only does anything on link summon.
This is going to be one hell of a Duelist Cup
I'll love it if Master Peace turns out to be the most powerful and dominate card out of all these unbans.
Nuh bro, but it can
Master Peace is beans. It's way easier to just randomly throw a 3k beater on board and all the actually "good" draco cards like all the draw power and floodgates are hit. This deck isn't going to do anything. Like are we really going to be happy about having to use draco effect on a Flamberge to avoid getting ran over in battle?
Noir is just a way better version of master peace that belongs to a much better deck and it doesn't even matter anymore
The scariest thing about Knightmare Goblin is that it's going to enable more decks to do things like "make Gallant Granite, search Fossil Dyna, link off with other bodies for Goblin, and then normal Fossil Dyna."
Some people might read this and laugh or roll their eyes, but decks like Vaylantz have been basically using Fossil Dyna as an FTK leveraged by the fact that the deck doesn't need its normal summon. Now imagine something like Ritual Beast does the same thing they've been doing with Infernal Flame Banshee into Nemeses Flag for either Thunder Dragon Colossus or Archnemeses Protos, but instead it's Fossil Dyna. That's arguably much scarier in a best of 1 meta where the biggest limiting factor for Protos is not knowing what your opponent is playing.
Most people ditched the engine in higher end though. So basically this becomes an argument that it is fine.
@@heulg.darian2536 Eh, only 3 out of the 19 Ritual Beast decks posted to mdmeta in the last 2 weeks have cut the engine, and none of those are tournament tops.
Not to mention, the whole point was that Fossil Dyna is arguably better anyway. So just because they cut Infernal Flame Banshee and Nemeses Flag doesn't mean they won't use Gallant Granite, Fossil Dyna, and Knightmare Goblin.
@@heulg.darian2536 Eh, only 3 out of the 19 decks posted to mdmeta in the last 2 weeks have cut the engine. All of those are from ladder where I already said Protos's biggest weakness is not knowing what your opponent is playing. And the whole point was that this is arguably an upgrade, so just because they cut it before the [arguable] upgrade, doesn't mean they won't add the new version back in.
Fossil dyna should've been banned 100 years ago dude, that card shouldn't exist
@@mikaelamonsterland True, but it's not banned, does exist, and Knightmare Goblin could mean we'll be seeing more of it. Sadge.
I'M the freak that's been asking for Mermaid unban! I didn't expect they'd actually listen to me...
What are you planning to do with it?
@@jacobcoates7987war crimes probably
@@jacobcoates7987I’m personally going to be rebuilding Atlantean Orcust. I’m the second psycho who has been asking for it back.
@@jacobcoates7987 add orcust to ALL of my decks
I haven’t been asking for it back, but I’ve been using the Galatea mate for like months now, so I’m looking forward to actually playing with her instead of just having her vibe while I lose to Tenpai.
MASTER PEACE THE TRUE DRACOSLAYING KING BABY!!! HE IS BACK. I M SOOOOO HAPPY I LOVE TRUE DRACO
Bro I'm so hyped to use diagram for crimes
Full snake eyes combo but at the end you go Promethean princess and a snake eyes into knightmare phoenix
😂 now i am interested, i like snake eyes and somehow i also like orcus too now this idea really indeed quiet good idea indeed
Yeah people were always saying that Snake-eyes end board wasn't that good when they pop off, right? This makes all the difference
MBT will really keep talking about how Spyral is at full power like its some secretly crazy deck and then never actually play it.
Spyral is a super crazy deck
If you go first
* go first and Maxx “C” being negated or absent
Don’t forget droll or a bystial.
Bc it loses hard to handtraps and it can't run handtraps without sacrificing a ton of consistency
it’s just one of those things a tcg player will forever be scared of, like electrumite
I just appreciate that we lost Iblee, and now we're getting Ib back, truly a story of all time
Finally good content, now unban all of Zoo so MBT can explode.
True, what are people going to search with Broadbull in 2024? Lunalight Black Sheep to get fusion substitute?
They act like they ain't ever play against True draco Zoo before.
Then unban Elpy and Agarpain
@@RuggedRingElpy, sure. Agarpain, I’m not sure about its ethics.
No agarpain @@RuggedRing
I'd actually prefer MD to play around like this more. Worst case scenario, we get a bad format for a month or two, and some of these cards have to go back on the banlist. But they're finally leveraging MDs online nature and giving us some crazy banlisy decisions. Would have been nice to see them try this earlier, like banning all the ishizu millers and keeping the initial MD tear hits and seeing what happens, but we are finally seeing MD doing more interesting stuff with the banlist.
Yay, they're all back. It's like Christmas in December
This is essentially releasing new support for an archetype. Kinda genius marketing
He's wrong about saying nobody wanted Knightmare Mermaid back, I've been a "Mermaid would do nothing" truther before Fiendsmith.
At this point, Master Duel is Konami's way of experimenting with hits/unhits to find out what most duelists already know with these cards.
While making bank because people will buy gems to try to get these cards. (That or craft them.)
still waiting for drident to take over the meta like MBT said she would
We about to turn any 2 monsters into full fiendsmith combo into full orcust combo into verte
I think the scariest thing is : Goblin Link into Mermaid
Think for a moment. Why?
I didn't ask for these, but as someone with the whole Orcust archetype crafted (except for the bad backrow and my third Girsu), I'm absolutely gonna be crafting Mermaid and going crazy, so long as all my dust isn't eaten by missing pulls on White Woods
Be interesting if Goblin lets those two decks play together really well. Spell/Traps are able to set themselves when used for Goblin's cost, pretty sure.
Just played a game against Branded with Dragoon in the extra deck. I did not recognize Dragoons' game. Gonna have to rethink some strategies.
This banlist seems specifically designed to trigger war flashbacks in people.
I think people comparing orcust to fiendsmith miss the point: Orcust is full of bricks and garnets, while fiendsmith every single card is a one card combo.
The reason why the kash fiendsmith works in TCG is for multiple reasons, but some are:
-Overall lower ceiling on combos: A lot of generic boss monsters are banned in TCG, so having a lower to the ground endboard is not that far away from "full combo"
-Kashtira main deck monsters are all unlimited
-You run pretty much 0 bricks.
None of this are true in MD with the mermaid decks. Why would I play orcust with a lot of handtraps when I can play SEFK with the same amount of handtraps and end on twice the interruptions thanks to Apollousa being unbanned?
Also goblin is doing nothing that we couldn't already do anyways. Just think about it, if you have enough materials to summon it and use the normal summon, and you haven't gotten nibbed yet, that game was already won anyways. Even on a deck that might properly use it, like Spyral, it does nothing to fix the main issue of the deck (No 1 card combos)
The problem with super combo decks is that they're competing not only with the opponent but the timer. I believe that that's the main reason decks like Spyral aren't terrorizing the meta.
hey mbt remember when you said it was a terrible idea for master duel to unban drident and barrage and then no one played those cards ever
(i do agree that we shouldnt unban cards that are toxic, silva being the biggest example, but honestly i think freeing goblin is interesting)
People in chat saying that the dark lock with the orcust package is a problem are actually insane, let's just say you go phoenix into mermaid into knightmare, then you go moon into full fiendsmith combo and do your normal plays, THEN at the end of the turn you go orcust combo, what even is the problem?
MBT: Who asked for this
Me: Me…?
Knightmare Mermaid is just a different flavor of moon
Well. A different flavor of Requiem. Phoenix/Cerberus/Goblin is the Moon
Dueltaining about to go crazy
The moment i saw goblin a migraine started setting in
I predict this will do literally nothing
Scythe lock, verte, promethian princess and seraphnite engine exist and the only one that’s being used is bestower of flames. Bestower deserves a ban more than any of the cards unbanned so I think you’re dead on the money
Like he said, this doing nothing is the best case scenario, so why do it in the first place? This makes the game worse regardless of if it ends up being good or not
@@kingnewgameplus6483nah, theres already a lot ftks and degen stuff that unhitting the less broken enablers doesnt do much. No point in keeping powercrept cards on the list especially when you consider there are already plenty of ftks and degen setups legal and unplayed. Scythe lock, silva hand loop, etc. do not see any play despite being at basically full power. Dont fall for the doomposting the occurs everytime one of these get unhit.
@@kingnewgameplus6483 Let MD be its own format and have fun experimenting with cards. I don't think they will be meta defining and most cases not even relevant but some of them are fun to play with (except Goblin who should immediately go back to banned if anyone uses him to summon Fossil Dyna)
@@kingnewgameplus6483 i dont see an issue on testing to see if its ok. luckily it is digital so konami can make changes fast. these decks will only enable weaker rogue decks as top tier decks dont even need these things. there might be new non-sense sure but nothing that yubel or tenpai isnt already doing or going to do with fiendsmith. tldr i think its gonna be ok
i suddenly wanna play master duel again
Mbt gonna preban goblin in dueltaining
We have 3 Saryuja and it only shows up on sub replay friday goblin is fine. Even if a big problem deck does show up master duel can just do a fast ban list and hit whatever the problem is.
Just writing this comment in case True Draco actually does something, so I can tell Joseph I told you so since he is constantly underestimating it
seeing some people say "oh goblin is fine back because you could seraphinite instead" is entirely incorrect, brilliant fusion is still banned in the tcg and limited in both master duel and the ocg
of course theyre not going to play an unsearchable 1-of with a hard garnet compared to goblin which just needs a discard and to be summoned to a MMZ
take into account how a lot of the current meta strategies arent even playing many light monsters, i suppose the only exception would be like, sending bystial lubellion?
Yeah the shit that makes goblin scary is that any hand with two monsters can make him without needing to search for a spell or anything. Just fart out 2 monsters and not only do you get the extract normal, but also full Orcust combo on top of that (and the extra discard/draw, but that honestly is very tame in comparison to everything else).
Best case scenario is that it turns out to still not be ideal but you just know he'll be used for heinous shit regardless of how actually good he is.
Mermaid is fine. I can see Orcust being splashed in dark centric decks as a backup plan or making Crescendo and Ding Dong a part of an end board. It doesn't play as nice as Fiendsmith, nor does it do as much which is fine in my opinion. It does however become a massive issue the moment Iblee is off the banlist.
Goblin, however, is terrifying. Yubel is probably the frontrunner for meta decks that can take advantage of Goblin and I've seen a few lines in Tenpai that can give them some bite on turn one, but this feels like a nut that is waiting to be cracked. The best case scenario is what MBT said where it's just a Dueltaining/Table500 staple for 5 card combos that need 57 takes to get off the ground. Worst case scenario, this card is going enable degenerative locks that can only be outed by "drawing the out."
man im so confused rn, all those raid boss monsters unbanned, savage baronne and apoloussa wont be ban and we dont have fiendsmith yet, what in the konami is gonna happens during the next 6 months?????
I think that with a lot of the post pote power creep (particularly 2024), there are surprisingly few cards on the current banlist that are unsafe to take off.
let them cook
they can easily revert it and everyone that crafted them will get the resources back anyway so it's not a big deal.
Tbh, I've been playing fiendsmith with live twin, unchained, and yubel in the tcg and really enjoyed it, but I also played orcust and enjoyed it.
I'm actually very happy with mermaid coming back exactly because I'll be able to play orcust in everything the same way i play fiendsmith in everything. Hell I'd even play orcust fiendsmith! My main argument with mbt's mermaid take is that it's not the existence of fiendsmith that makes mermaid ok to come back (though that is what everyone is saying), but rather the fact that orcust in it's current state, while powerful, is legitimately just a fun deck that leverages its low investment and high efficiency, rather than say, trying to turn skip you or set up 8 interruptions. It makes those game where you have to play against 4 handtraps a lot more bearable the same way fiendsmith does, because as long as you can put two bodies on the field you can still end on crescendo+dingirsu+your favorite generic endboard piece and still have a chance against a deck like snake eye or yubel.
Oh btw yall are sleeping on goblin. That card is way better than you think it is, and mbt is absolutely correct that unbanning unfun cards because they're bad/powercrept is incorrect, though i will say that goblin isn't anywhere near as bad as say tcboo, skill drain, anti spell, gozen, rivalry, mystic mine.
The problem cards for Goblin can be banned without much outcry.
@@strangevol5264 goblin is an enabler, its a card that exists along the lines of cards like isolde, firewall dragon, spright elf, etc. Saying you can just ban the cards around goblin is like argung that a-assault core was a good hit because it was near firewall dragon. Goblin is crazy specifically because it's both an enabler for ftks or pachy locks, and it can also be used generically as a way to continue a combo that would have otherwise been stopped by interruptions.
Also, mbt just glosses over ib, but imo its actually the most important unlimit here. She's an SR, which alone already makes ib very f2p friendly, but all of her combo pieces come from the solo modes or the starter deck. She alone means that any way to get to a synchro 5 represents a link 5s worth of material and doesn't lock you or go through any URs, which means your dust can be saved for your endboard. The number one issue is extra deck space, but a new account isn't worried about that.
Combo is
Any way to a synchro 5 (draconnet? Is SR, summon Guardragon Justicia)
Make ib in emz -> search world legacy succession(solo mode card)
Link into gravity controller (R)
Ib summons Lee (R) from deck -> search world legacy world chalice (R)
Activate succession for justicia, then link justicia into imduk (R)
Imduk effect to extra normal world legacy world chalice from hand, tribute gravity controller
Link lee and world chalice off for Lib blademancer (SR)
Chalice summons 2 world chalice monsters from deck, and lib can set any world legacy spell/trap.
From here you have 5 link material and can probably do whatever you want, does lose hard to nib tho. Plenty of extender options as well, unexpected dai is an easy inclusion since it comes from the starter deck and you already natively play normals, dragon shrine (SR from dragon structure deck) can bin flamvell guard and baby guardragon to summon flamvell guard to any zone a link points to if a combo piece gets impermed, world legacy guardragon (R) reborns any level 4 or lower dragon, which you natively use in combo, etc.
At the end of the day, you are just playing a link spam combo deck, but the other major deck that fills that niche is sunavalon, which is notably more expensive since it requires aromaseraphy jasmine, who is a UR, and also locks you into plants. The endboard is better in plants, but it also plays more garnets.
Goblin got hit so quick back in the day that I thought it would never see light again
I love this all because it’s what I want master duel to be; a mild testing ground for banlists for the tcg. Let’s see what it’s like to play with goblin and mermaid again. And if they over perform, let’s ban them again in a month. Let’s see how these cards rock out, and ban the problem cards should they reappear as such.
Goblin is also full orcust combo with an extra normal summon in any deck looking to gy setup or discard cards, like spyral or snake eyes, or dark worlds just to guarantee the counter trap for anything
No the reason they released these cards is to add another contender to the list of engines that people play. These definitely are powerful but only really around the same as everything else in my opinion.
This feels like it will add another layer to the ladder climb and honestly might really interesting
I mean, basically everything is topping rn, so Orcust being good doesn't worry me. Fiendsmith is still the better engine and adding Orcust on top of that isn't the best thing you can add to Fiendsmith
Goblin could probably be good in Memento, chimera, and well Goblin bikers
These decks are kinda limited by their normal summons and getting an extra one gives you a lot of potential new lines
Goblin is crazy in Speedroid, for what it's worth.
I think the best application is in mannadium as light-heart is an easy way to get the arrows you need, but you still need to get other 2 mats on field that you can't use for anything else somehow and have another monster you want summoned in your hand.
Knightmare Goblin is odd. For some decks I wanted to make, it would have been the perfect piece to Link the strategy together. Base World Legacy comes to mind. Which is more a for fun deck. You go Imduk, you go dragon, you go another link 1, you special back the normal, make goblin, get another normal, link 4. Or Key>Chalice. It's fun with just the World Chalice cards. In other cases... Where it is one of the few generic 2s of that link arrow at the time. The only other at the time was Ib. There are only 7 or so. Knightmare Goblin has the best effect among them besides Little Knight.
"Spyral is full power in MD" Nah bro is stuck in 2018.
A large part about what made Goblin broken back then was MR4 ULinking with Gumblar hand ripping and a whole lot has changed since then. I'd be surprised if Goblin sees any serious play at all. Honestly this feels like an Engage situation.
Mermaid is unironically scarier because it enables the more low to the ground midrange style combos that define competitive yugioh, still don't think every deck splashing Orcust is going to be enough to make it more than Rogue playable but turning 2 horus monsters in to Orcust combo is gonna feel good.
“goblins gonna show up in dueltaining every 4 weeks” please, you know darn well goblin is joining the YOU rank with isolde, saryuja, ferret, zeal, etc
These unhits won't do shit and people are just overreacting. The only unhit that's close to problematic is goblin.
we just needed the orcust link 1 now
I agree with the Mermaid take. People are severely underestimating it. Also that 1k stat drop matters quite often.
Also expect to see alot of Goblin in dueltaining going forward
master duel is really just trying to be it's own thing, not that it already isn't super popular but to really distinguish itself from tcg/ocg
As someone who sucks at the game, the main application I can see Goblin being used for (in Orcust specifically) is as a replacement for Barricadeborg off chance you draw into a bunch of cards you want in the graveyard. I think this would especially be helpful for players who don’t run cymbal or a danger variant of the deck.
Edit: I’m stupid, wind attribute. I mean there’s probably some niche scenario where you’re able to set something up to summon it before you lock yourself into dark, but I doubt it.
MBT made videos where the premise was the same one as this banlist.
What was Joseph thinking when he proposed the exact same thing lol
MY GOAT MASTERPEACE BABY
Sounding a bit sick there, hope you feel better Joseph!
I wish I could get my head around the whole link summon thing, but I'm still stuck back in olden day YGO where I just summon 1 or 2 monsters and call it a wrap for my turn cause I either play Charmer Stun/Control, or i play Mikanko and just OTK with Double Edged Sword and Lava Golem. Combo decks that spend 2 hours to set up a board just don't sound fun for me, so just reading the effect of "Summon an extra monster" or "Monsters not co-linked lose 1000 atk/def" sound cool TO ME, just cause I can splash them into Charmer to give my monsters more power and weaken my opponents further while I got Awakening and Unpossessed on my side.... the problem is just GETTING to that point, which I don't have the brain power to really think about
I am puting goblin in my spyral list immediately after it comes out GRAAAAH
Goblin just wants to join his biker friends
I'm just ready to be Dueltained.
Really think of it this way. Would you rather have Knightmare Goblin in your extra deck or SP Little Knight. Clearly one is 100% stronger and does more. While Knightmare Goblin is a good card i don't see anyone really using it as much. You really need a one card combo that leads to having a way to use it second summon in the best way by also making sure it is co-linked so you get the extra draw. Mostly those two cards Mermaid and Goblin are great because they let you draw cards. Now it is hard to say with the new decks that just out pace them. Not that they aren't good but it would need something fast to be in and then hope you aren't playing anything that locks you.
The thing people forget, is that over time, with years into the game. Your 1 normal summon a turn became a tool to keep in check a cards power (remember how long Performapal Joker was on the ban list for the crime of... Normal summon search x effect) . Given the amount of cards that need to be normal summoned for x effect. Having all the different ways of gaining additional normals be either jank or built in to a theme thats kept locked to the theme (Floo), having the means to access an additional normal summon from the extra deck, is overpowered. It means any 2 engines that compete with a powerful effect on a normal summon, can now simply bridge to goblin and not have to pick between 2 choices to normal, you can get both. Goblin is not good for the game in anyway.
If you play an orcust deck, any 2 monsters becomes galatea doesn't mean a thing because the deck is orcust, you will summon galatea directly without mermaid. So the only thing is decks other than orcust will have cresendo. But be honest which deck will use that? I don't see a snake eye player put 1 or 2 hard garnets and 1 soft garnet in their decks and use 2 materials to go cresendo. I don't understand either the hype or the fear.
Konami is basically saying, they banned Iblee not cause of the lock, but cause they were bringing back the links.
Yes, they banned her because of the lock that would be facilitated by the Links.
Iblee lock was starting to catch steam with yubel however, i do think they were going to ban iblee anyways given this banlist but yubel likely accelerated the decision
I'm just happy I can do the Knightmare co-link like it was meant to be
I'm just happy my Red-Eyes deck is slightly less of a meme now, due to having Dragoon finally.
So like, realistically, what does Knightmare Goblin *do* in the current format?
white wood can use goblin to summon vanity or jawgin
or basically any light spell caster
so there is alredy a top meta deck that probably going to use it
snake eyes will probably prefer fiendsmith over it but they might do it
it kinda of dose what saryuja dose but you only need 2 monsters
and if it was disrupted you can go mermaid
the simple way to say it is that its good
we can also do a pile of machines (super heavy orcust) 60 cards not so sure if its viable but it basically can do everything going 1st
Nah dude that goblin is going to see play, maybe not in the current meta decks but in addition to full combo this thing WILL normal summon a floodgate that ends your opponents turn vanity’s,statues, fossil dyna, etc
This will be the most annoying thing about
Worst case scenario its just an extender
Just ban the searchable floodgates then. Those guys suck anyway.
Even though some of these might turn out bad I'm excited anyways. Had a lot of fun with Orcust when Mermaid was around and I'm excited to see how they compare with her now.
As a huge Orcust fan... I'm eating good with this deck on MD!
oh i should run Knightmare Goblin in my prediction princess, shaddol, crawler, master of ham deck
Glad I had the same reaction
I love shaking up the meta in an unexpected ways weather it's going in a bad or good direction
Big hyped about orcust getting mermaid back
10,000 MORE YEARS OF ORCUST
Goblin will be going into the zark deck immediately
I mean you can run both Fiendsmith and Mermaid in the same deck, but how many would want to?
Goblin is great in decks with Ken and Gen in em, like my Volcanics. I for one support this change.
I wonder how those formerly banned knightmare monsters will work with my dark world earthbound deck
Im currently messig around with a bizzare world legacy/orcust/horus build. Im not quite there yet but if I draw into something like orcust harp horror + any extender the turn one boards you can make now are pretty absurd. Hell i have a suspicion that if I changed some links around in the extra deck that theres potential to ULink as part of the main combo Im doing
Waaaiiiit. Your boi has to do some brewing.
3:30 big difference is that Orcust was never expensive while fiendsmith was pay to win from the get go.
Gonna go to my dw danger list a really nice extender afterall
Thank you random konami employee who love knightmare
i love world legacy
Beside, iblee is gone
I am excited to see goblin because I have been on 4/5 Demon wins for too long and Goblin is a perfect excuse to try and get the title
Universally disliked Fiendsmith??? Speak for yourself
As a casual, i can't wait to see the abominations made and hear that people hate goblin and mermaid.
100% agree with all said
Orcust engine is nowhere near as good as Fiendsmith.
You need to run 4 bricks and you get dark locked just to get a negate.
Mermaid is honestly fine when you consider Fiendsmith will be a thing soon enough. Goblin is the real spookfest here honestly. Extra Normal for anything that wants it, Targeting protection in Link Spam sheananigans that needs something like DDKC, Sphere Mode, or Knightmare Incarnation Idlee(which can be grabbed from deck by Mermaid) to get rid of reliably.
Or a simple fat Zeus - it's not 2019 anymore, U-linking no longer locks your opponent out of the game like it did in MR4. There's also Droplet, DRNM, TY-PHON and various other non-targeting removal/negation that got released after goblin was banned
easily the most based banlist