Is Lisbon, Portugal worth it?
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Hey expats and travelers! Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere here. What are the reasons for choosing Lisbon, Portugal when moving abroad? We interview Becky, an expat living in Lisbon. We talk about the pros and cons of living there, the benefits and difficulties, work ethic, domestic issues and housing, the pace of life, and more. Check out her advice and see why Lisbon has become a desirable place to move to.
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:16 - Why Lisbon, Portugal?
01:19 - What was your moving process like?
02:23 - Did you need an FBI background check?
03:49 - Other Application Requirements
04:44 - How are you liking Lisbon?
05:26 - What kinds are people are you meeting? How do you meet people
07:39 - Portuguese and English Language
10:10 - Is Lisbon affordable? What is the cost of living like?
12:10 - Private Health Insurance Info
15:10 - What's your job? What opportunities have you had since moving here?
18:33 - Was there anything shocking when you first moved?
20:42 - Are there places that you recommend that people should AVOID?
22:25 - What are places that are great for tourism but not to live?
24:20 - What advice do you have for people that want to move to Lisbon?
This is awesome! Poignant questions, Kalie!! So helpful. Content rich as always. Great interview! 👍🏾
Thank you very much, Mo! We appreciate the feedback. ❤️ 💪 - Josh & Kalie
Excellent interview Kalie. You are SUCH a great listener, and you respectfully allow your guest to give a complete response. Most people interrupt. (I know I probably would because another question pops in my head). Becky is lovely... really appreciate her experience and points of view. She has excellent advice about telling people what you do. That's something that is really hard for a lot of people... even some Americans. I love that she speaks with her hands... I do it all the time.
I have to clarify something about when a portuguese says they dont speak english yet do.
The thing is, most of us UNDERSTAND english quite well, in wrtten and spoken form. Where most of us struggle is with spoken english, and not so much on what to say, our english vocabulary can be pretty good, but the pronounciation. And many feel embaraced in speaking broken english. And again this broken english is not so much lack of lexicon but a somewhat difficulty to pronounce english since there are a lot of english phonems that dont exist in portuguese and vice-versa.
Basically, most portuguese are conversational in english but fewer are fluent. But we tend to understand english very well.
Thanks for sharing, Carlos. Honestly, we've not come across many Portuguese people that don't speak English. It's more common that people do than they don't. Portugal ranks very highly in Europe when it comes to this.
Side note - An awesome thing happened to me today at the grocery story. The cashier overheard Kalie and I speaking English and he told us the amount due in English. I responded to him in Portuguese and asked him a question. Instead of him responding back in English, which happens a lot, we switched fully back to Portuguese and continued the transaction. I really appreciate that. - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere that is also an indication the cashier understood you have gained fluency in portuguese. Its a compliment for you. Well done.
Such a great video with great information. I really enjoyed hearing about Becky’s work experience, especially since I’m in a similar field…editing, publishing, content creation. It’s also always wonder to hear about all the different experiences expats have.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for sharing what you took from it! - Josh & Kalie
This interview was awesome. I learned so much.
Great interview! You folks continue knocking it out of the park! :)
Thank you, Seamus. We appreciate you popping by and leaving a comment. Always good to see you. - Josh & Kalie
Another great video. Very informative. I’m so happy my city is finally being given the appreciation it deserves. ☺️
Thank you! When is your interview? 😊 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere whenever you want to ☺️
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Vai deixar de ser a nossa cidade muito em breve
Always such helpful and informative videos🙌 thank you 🙏
We appreciate hearing that, Mina. - Josh & Kalie
Great interview, thank you!
Thank you very much. We appreciate you subscribing. - Josh & Kalie
Great interview, Kalie!
Thank you!! - Josh & Kalie
I've spent the last year looking at different cities in Portugal to live and Lisbon really has been a wonderful experience. There is a great noise map of Lisbon that everyone should checkout before selecting an apartment.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
Good interview. Thanks Kalie😍😍😯
Thank you, We appreciate it, NinaRosa. - Josh & Kalie
I've lived in a rural area all my life. I've been to Lisbon twice, as well as most of the rest of Portugal, and if I had to live in a city it would absolutely be Lisbon. I think it's maybe because there are many people working there who are from rural villages, I don't know, but it sure does not have a huge city vibe, it's very comfortable and down to earth.
Awesome video!
Thanks for watching and commenting! - Josh & Kalie
Excellent video! I’ll also be moving to Lisbon in a year or so. So I’d love to connect with various meetup groups.
Thank you. You can do it! - Josh & Kalie
Excellent Interview
Watching from Cincy....looking forward to Portugal.
Very informative issue. I was floored when she said that she was a proofreader! Super interesting that she was able to get a mortgage as well as a foreigner
Thanks, B. We have 2 videos about how foreigners can get a mortgage. Portugal doesn't discriminate foreigners for mortgages although foreigners don't tend to get preferred mortgages. - Josh & Kalie
Excellent video thanks 🤠👍
Insurances here in 🇵🇹 will make you wait for 60 days, however, if you have an emergency and you need immediate urgent care, the insurance will cover the care based on the policy coverage.
Great video this was very helpful and informative. Hopefully i can get a job in Portugal because finding a US remote job is challenging.
Could you post a link to the government Portuguese language lessons that give the language certificate?
It takes three weeks to get it. She is either incredibly efficient or incredibly organized and knowledgeable. It takes 4 months.
Q: for Becky: what firm do you edit for> I am esperienced in that and would like to explore working digitally. Cheers from Coimbra
Great video, very informative. Really liked your guest!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you, Lori. - Josh & Kalie
I live here also and I'm italian! I would like to have an interview as well 😀
It is expensive in America depending on where you live. Not only that, property tax can be very high as well. I own a 760 square foot condo in Anchorage Alaska and my property taxes is $2,000 a year. My sister’s boyfriend owned a 4 bedroom, 2 bathroom double story house with a 3 car garage and he pays $7,000 USD a year for property tax. Both of us own the property outright but if that wasn’t the case it would be very costly along with monthly utility expenses.
heya, just curious what are the mortgage rates in portugal?
I agree, it would be easier to get the finger prints done in your home country. I use to be a teacher in USA and getting fingerprints done in home country is quick and easy and not very costly.
Rebecca is from my hometown #513. I’m a PR of 🇨🇦 and I’m coming to visit Lisbon in November!
🥳 Let's go! - Josh & Kalie
how is chatgpt affecting the proof reading jobs?
Thanks for sharing this wonderful video.
Thanks for watching, Yasin! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere 😁
I never desired to live in a city since moving to the DC area 20 years ago, too busy, and hectic. Lisbon Is perfect because it’s not as hectic or large as DC, less traffic, and I so much want to be apart of its upcoming future, and buy my first home there before the door shuts on the affordability that’s now, or something changes with the visa process. This would actually be like making it to your dream and living it moving there.
Very informative …
Glad you think so! Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
You can’t do anything in a week for the D7 now. Especially if you are retiring.
Totally. Each step took a minimum of a week. I started my process early April and it is now mid August and I just had my VFS appointment to submit my application yesterday.
Thanks!
Gerry, we're so sorry that we missed seeing this to say thanks! Thank you very much for the channel support. We've been awesome. 💪 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
Brazilian Portuguese and European Portuguese are the same language. It should not be a problem for anyone.
Hi I'm a single Dad currently a police officer in South Africa..I am Interested in relocating to Portugal..as I am intending to go on medical board..then I need advice and someone to assist me .thanks.
Any chance you can do a video on how to obtain a driver's license in Portugal? I believe there are no English videos on youtube on that subject so might be a good one!
Possibly. It's not too far up the list of things to do but Kalie talks about it in our course. - Josh & Kalie
thank you.
You're welcome. - Josh & Kalie
The problem is living in alcantara has problem of having flooded and too much low and high street
thank you aweseome
Cheers, Manuel! - Josh & Kalie
Great Lisbon tips from Kathy re: PT language courses, healthcare and livable Lisbon neighborhoods. A couple more for my list of options. Many thanks also to Kalie for keeping an eye out for those Lisbon neighborhoods without aircraft noise. ✈️ ✈️ ✈️ ✈️ Anti-aircraft noise folks in Lisbon..unite! 😁 Cheers. 👋🏻 -maurice (aka ‘someone’) 😁
You got us there. Maurice! 😁 Thanks for sharing what you got from the video! - Josh & Kalie
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Interesting; the kind of content that you don't really get to hear from other places which just have canned questions. Thanks for that. BTW, one thing I noticed: it seems like you're pronouncing _route_ like _rout_ (which means something totally different), but _route_ is pronounced just like _routine,_ for example.
Thank you. The video interviews we've done in the past 2 years esp on Portugal don't have canned questions really as much as it is a conversation about someone experience. Regarding route and rout and the pronunciation, it's regional dialects. Love this video on it. ua-cam.com/video/EzLDFRioTHY/v-deo.html - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ha; I think that's a fun but slightly exaggerated video, seeing as they pass off "nucular" as a "different pronunciation" when it would just be considered incorrect, which is the same for _route._ Merriam-Webster seems to support this sentiment as well.
I'm trying to get some clarity on my situation if anyone knows. I have dual citizenship (US and Italian) and I plan to move to Portugal with my family. My wife doesn't currently have Italian citizenship but she will get it eventually. When we make the move will she need to apply individually for residency through a D7 visa even though her husband and daughter have an EU passport?
Hi Justin-I’m in a similar situation. I have dual Italian/EU + USA citizenship but spouse is USA-only. I believe the answer to your question has to do (in part) with timing. You say your wife will get Italian citizenship ‘eventually.’ If your wife gets IT citizenship before your move to PT, then like you she’s be accepted into PT as an EU citizen. If she is not yet an IT/EU citizen when you relocate to PT, then she can get the D7 visa or the D6 (family reunification) visa. I’ve heard getting the D6 is just as laborious as the D7 but can’t verify if that’s true or not. Hope some of this help. Salve!
Any non EU citizen will require a visa to stay here as a resident, being married is not enough. What you could do is apply for FAMILY REUNIFICATION, but I believe that can only be started after you are here and with an official residency, which means you cannot both come at the same time.
@@ppietrap3876 I have US & German citizenship, my spouse only US. We came at the same time. I got my residency certificate at the local Camara after 1 month. With that, my spouse was then able to apply for D6. Only holdup was getting a SEF appt, which took a few months. After that, visa was approved!
@@michaeldiamond6873 I thought the visa was given through the consulate so that people could then travel (otherwise you would be in the country under false pretence), and the SEF appointment afterwards would be to approve residence. Anyway, that does simplify life.
@@ppietrap3876 An EU citizen only has to apply to the local Camara. You need to show your local lease. We then applied for the family reunification for my spouse. 1st SEF appt available was in 4 months. Since SEF was backed up due to covid, proof of upcoming SEF appt is enough to be able to stay in Portugal past the 90-day tourist limit. The spouse residency is tied to mine, so we both can stay 5 years. Technically you're not supposed to travel until after SEF appt, but if you stay in the EU, nobody looks.
Great video! Kalie are you wearing an Oura ring ? 😁
Thanks, Bud. Yes, yes, she is. - Josh & Kalie
I live in portugal also
Try margem sul
Portugal is not only LISBON
Thanks for sharing her journey. I've always wondered. What is the difference between an expat or an immigrate? Why use expat over immigrate? 🤔
Expats do it by choice and are typically higher income even in their own countries. Immigrants are typically (not always) economic or refugee migrants. Either way they’re still immigrants but Expat specifically is a word used to market immigration in a palatable, first world type of way
basically the same difference between emigrant and immigrant! It all depends on the chosen frame of reference. If the person is talking about himself it is natural to first see himself has having moved out of his own country, so: emigrant, expat!
@@JasonLovettGameDev I know many immigrants in the technology field that have migrated to the USA, who are highly educated and are up there on the social economic ladder who refer to themselves as an immigrant.
But I noticed more North Americans and people from the United Kingdom prefer to use expat instead of immigrant.
Could it also have something to do with feeling that there is more of a temporary situation than a permanent one?
@@livingworkingoutsidebox yea actually that makes sense. Immigrants are more permanent and expats are on an extended working holiday in another country in many cases.
Its a fancy word for immigrate nothing more than that
Just curious if you checked Hospital da Luz prior to choosing it, saw many dissatisfied reviews from what I’m assuming are Portuguese nationals.
We're not sure if Becky did check it out before going. - Josh & Kalie
I DON'T SEE THE DIY LINK??
Hi Lilly, it should be in the video description but I'll provide it here so you don't have to searching for it. expatseverywhere.thinkific.com/courses/portugal-d7-visa-step-by-step-guide - Josh & Kalie
I found Lisbon to be quite expensive considering Portugal is a poor country. Price/value weren’t there for me.
The tourist-y part of Lisboa can be expensive if you stick to the tourist traps. The solution to find affordable prices is to ask a local. The trick is always to go where the locals go. You can find an affordable place just two streets away from the tourist traps. Ask a local, dont hexitate to talk and engage with the portuguese people, we are pretty affable and helpful.
Carlos is right. Portuguese people are really affable and open. - Josh & Kalie
You seems a poor person . come will give you discounts !
@@jsilvamaintenance 😁
Lisbon is not Portugal and Portugal is not Lisbon. I also found Greece quite expensive and the gold prices outrageous. Europe is no longer "value" for money, the value is in the history, culture and the niceness of the people.
Hi my sister
You only pay tax on gains in crypto. If you lose which is well over 95% of traders. No tax. So this is a moot point for rookie traders here.
Shout out to Cincy
Portugal is a great place to live....if you like dealing with people, which I hate and therefore can never return to ......that and cousins asking for money
Unless the real estate prices crash or decrease tremendously, no it's not worth moving to Portugal
I live in Portugal and In simple economic conditions in Portugal you get 700 euro a month and ready to pay rent 300 to 400Euro in private space and then rest of money you enjoy it 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
no, the average income per capita in Portugal is 1200 euro
please be aware of your decisions impact to the real estate market prices in pt and gentrification
please be aware about what happens if there is no influx of investments and (especially better educated) people. this locations are shrinking, dying.
Lisbon doesn't need more investments, its overcrowded, prices are not affordable for locals anymore.
I heard that Lisbon is loud
The air traffic can be. - Josh & Kalie
Pandemic is still going on. Isn't it?
The best place for Entrepreneurs continues to be the USA not Europe, and definitely not Portugal. I love Portugal but the culture really lacks grit, aspiration, drive, etc...it's not very motivating. It's too laid back and folks are stuck in tradition and bureaucracy...
Honestly, Marcos. You give a rather fair assessment of things. - Josh & Kalie
That's why we need you guys! 😳
Maybe but not everybody has 1 million USD to invest to get the right documents/papers/vis to work in the USA and it's extremely difficult for a foreigner. As far as what you are saying about Portugal. I agree. I am still trying to find out what's their culture is all about except football and bacalao .........
It's funny how UA-camrs only tell you about the positives. There is no paradise on earth, including Portugal. Although Portuguese love to pat themselves on the back , crime is under reported and is a lot of racism against black and brown people. The bureaucracy will drive you mad and many Portuguese don't like foreigners, especially non white ones
Don't take me as a hater, I just lived there and I learned the language. When you don't speak the language, you miss out on so much of the culture.
Americans love to live in foreign countries and not learn the language.
That's not a good idea.
Portugal is cheap, beautiful and they have good wine, but please do your research before uprooting your family because UA-camrs are saying that Portugal is paradise on earth. It isn't...no country is.
Good luck!
You literally commented on this video ua-cam.com/video/Zs55bmY-1mU/v-deo.html titled "Portugal isn't perfect!" and then follow up by commenting here that UA-camrs only tell you about the positives. Come on, man. - Josh & Kalie
If you don't have a sense of humor, this place is not right for you...
Most bureaucratic country .
Immigration procedure is harrassing
Lol takes time because they want to know who,s coming to the country. Nothing worong with that !
No it's not, you have no idea what BAD is! Try Italy, or Germany...
@World Justice This guy K. Singh has no idea what he is talking about! Our processes can be more or less complicated depending on diplomatic reprocity. If India refuses to allow a Portuguese citizens to buy a house or live legally in India, do Indians think they are going to Portugal and just breeze thru with whatever burocratic stuff they need or want? What a joke. Furthermore, there are the language barriers which complicate things even more. Most foreigners do not attempt to learn or speak Portuguese, and expect all our public government employees to speak English in a Portuguese language country. Ive been to India 3 x's and just to buy a train ticket was a burucratic mess let alone real burocratic matters! It was such when I was last there, and I doubt it has changed for the better.
Germany is the most bureaucratic country
Rebecca is gorgeous, smart & chatty, what a woman 🤤
Do we see a crush developing, Sergio? - Josh & Kalie
And about Porto? Porto is quality, Lisbon is quantity. Prosit!
Não é bem assim, Lisboa tem qualidade e quantidade 😉
@@Luckyamor Tudo o que é demais é moléstia!
Its a saying Lisbon is Lisbon ( o resto e' paisagem )
Se vêm atrás do sol, que muitos vêm, o Porto não é opção.
sempre o recalcado sentimento de inferioridade ( autocriado!!!!) a vir ao cima.... haja paciência!!!
Portugal is doomed.
It's a disgrace all expat moving to Portugal and you living of stolen emigrants Portuguese communities families lands from all over the world
Kinda like when you guys came to America and brazil right
@@marcuswiggins7472 And France and Monaco to work and get some higher salaries.... Plus it's the Portuguese government that offered the 'golden visa' to foreigners so don't blame all those foreigners for everything.