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1900s Adams Bagnall enclosed carbon arc lamp. The risks, overview, & demonstration.

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  • @frogz
    @frogz Місяць тому +9

    dunno why this hit my feed 2 years after the video was posted but i hope you made more videos!

    • @fredfred2363
      @fredfred2363 Місяць тому +4

      Exact same here. The algorithm works in mysterious ways...

    • @matthewpettengale9943
      @matthewpettengale9943 Місяць тому

      ​@@fredfred2363Haha, me too!

    • @HellNoMoreBiden
      @HellNoMoreBiden 18 днів тому

      Are you watching any of these.. Bible Scribe, My Lunch Break, Don Preston, MrMbb333? Or about our weather? I'm thinking reset conditions.

  • @WolfmanDude
    @WolfmanDude 27 днів тому +2

    I am suprised how nice and silent it runs! I exprected it to look and sound like arc welding

  • @MarkArrand-cf4cl
    @MarkArrand-cf4cl Місяць тому +4

    One thing I learned is this: "Be very careful when plugging in and using antique electrical equipment. You never know what condition it is in. You run the risk of fire or electrocution."
    I build small high voltage devices for a hobby and have destroyed some of the machines I have built. Study EVERYTHING you can to avoid any issues. ALWAYS SAFETY FIRST. I can't preach it enough.

  • @SMGJohn
    @SMGJohn 5 місяців тому +7

    St Petersburg had thousands of street lights with carbon arc lamps as early as 1870s!
    It was one of the first cities in the world with electric lighting, the Russians loved those things, all other big cities in Russia had electric lights after a while way before the filament bulb was even invented.
    Carbon arc lamps were actually invented in 1805, think about that, 1805 the first electric light was invented, but its weird because there ancient texts describing electric arcs that produce bright light a thousand years before 1805, thats wicked even if the texts are mere experiments but the fact that we today think people were stupid back then is an insult to humanity, first engines were already being built in workshops by 15th century, engineers experimenting with coal dust and gunpowder dust to make a piston in a cylinders move up and down, the piston in a cylinder itself is old as civilisation itself, even being used by Romans to pump water out of wells using steam!

  • @rowan1able
    @rowan1able Місяць тому +4

    That's Cool Man! Thanks for sharing this. I heard of them when I was a kid, 43 years on I'm now just seeing them in action! Amazing, Thanks again ~

  • @fredfred2363
    @fredfred2363 Місяць тому +2

    Really well explained. Thanks.
    So the input choke coil with various taps limits the total lamp current.
    The carbon magnetic lifting coil sets the arc voltage. Ingenious.
    I completely get why running at a lower frequency will burn out the coils- you need the coil to have a higher inductance (or magnetism storage time between cycles) to limit the current. At DC, it'd be almost a dead short.

  • @Thesmokingman64
    @Thesmokingman64 Місяць тому +2

    Over 35+ yrs ago i once worked in a drive in theatre that used carbon arc projectors. They were a pain.

  • @KeritechElectronics
    @KeritechElectronics Місяць тому +4

    A beautiful lamp - and a fair warning. I'll probably never ever see one in person, but it's always nice to learn about antique tech.
    Watch out for asbestos! The fraying insulation on the wires inside made me cringe. And I'm surprised to be the only one to mention asbestos here...

  • @erikthenorviking8251
    @erikthenorviking8251 Місяць тому +3

    They DO look neat. Seriously neat. I'd buy a repro just for its looks! (I am superficial...)

    • @HellNoMoreBiden
      @HellNoMoreBiden 18 днів тому

      To be superficial with this you would need to be blind. God gave us a way to create light so I see the ignorance in destruction of the ability to see.

  • @crownvictoryfive6374
    @crownvictoryfive6374 Місяць тому +4

    A good way to view the arc is to use shade13 welding filter with the addition of maybe shade 5, double them up and try it out.

    • @teardowndan5364
      @teardowndan5364 Місяць тому +1

      I've tried stacking filters to record the eclipse since I didn't have a 12+ stops ND filter. Reflections between filters do a great job of blurring out details. For the arc lamp, you can probably get away with max stop on the lens aperture and 1/2000 exposure on a half-decent camera. Most phones and entry-level cameras don't let you get down to this sort of detail though.

  • @589nm6
    @589nm6 2 роки тому +6

    I enjoyed the video, thank you for sharing.

  • @Sparky-ww5re
    @Sparky-ww5re Рік тому +8

    that is one awesome lamp. coincidentally I own a 400 watt metal halide Hang-A-Light, made by SouthWire which works on the same principle as an arc lamp. metal halide lamps, hitting the market in the early 1960s, are more or less an outgrowth of the mercury vapor lamp. which was used commercially since around 1930. One could argue the arc lamp was the most important light source ever invented as it would pave the way to mercury vapor, metal halide, high pressure sodium, low pressure sodium, fluorescent and neon all of which use an electric arc.

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  Рік тому +4

      I did find a trade journal article mentioning an enclosed carbon arc lamp utilizing pools of mercury as the bottom electrode.

    • @DigBipper188
      @DigBipper188 Місяць тому +1

      Not to mention that gas discharge was a major gateway into learning how different elemental materials can affect the spectrum you get! If we didn't find out how to draw an arc with carbons, we wouldn't have later learned that you could put elemental sodium into an insulated tube, fire current through it and get the spectra for sodium with it...
      and us Brits would have been SoL during the energy crisis in the 1970s without that breakthrough because we'd still be running incandescent sources lol

    • @rowan1able
      @rowan1able Місяць тому +1

      Wow! I didn't know that, interesting ~

    • @MadScientist267
      @MadScientist267 Місяць тому +2

      It's a little bit of a stretch to call fluorescent and neon an "arc". It's a plasma discharge, and very similar to an arc, but there's a few key differences. Namely the heat.

  • @hburke7799
    @hburke7799 27 днів тому +2

    it would be interesting to find a nice way to generate 133hz power. either way this video is a fantastic resource. thanks!

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman Місяць тому +1

    Great video...👍

  • @yayoic1977
    @yayoic1977 2 роки тому +3

    Amazing

  • @EdgarsLS
    @EdgarsLS Рік тому +9

    actually boor-silicate glass doesn't filter out UV (that's the type of glass that would be used for the inner tube because of the need for it to withstand high temperatures)
    regular glass does tho, the type that would be used for the outer globe, and don't look at the arc, there's a reason why welding masks are used when welding instead of just a pane of glass
    I doubt running this indoors would be a great idea since the light creates a lot of carbon monoxide, I doubt it's gonna be fully concealed by the inner tube that encloses it.

  • @eddiekilby
    @eddiekilby Місяць тому +2

    Wow the first Hid Lamp

  • @jamesblinzler7421
    @jamesblinzler7421 Місяць тому +1

    Very cool thanks for sharing. 👍🏻👍🏻’s up.

  • @shanewilmot3639
    @shanewilmot3639 2 роки тому +4

    I unfortunatly have no parts to trade.I am only missing the inner globe for my lamp.I would really love to find one.thanks shane.

  • @sqeekykleen49
    @sqeekykleen49 Місяць тому +1

    😮 such an awesome lamp. Never seen an automatic one fired before.
    It is so refreshing to watch and listen to an informative video without the tekno music bumping, some gd auto tuned AI voice and a ton of
    Xi factory temu linking bullshit. Never apologize for your work, I'm not alone with fighting with phone cam focusing? WTF😮... Everyone acts like you are expected to have a $10,000 camera setup to post here.... The same folks that don't have the common sense to know an arc is hot, let them learn the old fashioned way, they got no problem sticking their ass in a tanning bed 🤣... Uv eye protection? Stay indoors in the daytime and wear sunglasses at night, that moon emits some uv as well😅. Thanks again for the superb video!

  • @MrMorbo83
    @MrMorbo83 2 місяці тому +1

    Very nice! Шикарно!

  • @bobbybrooks4826
    @bobbybrooks4826 2 роки тому +6

    Low Hz will heat it up .... Like All transformers where they too are sensitive and must have the right number and types of laminations

  • @redstonecommander5190
    @redstonecommander5190 2 місяці тому +6

    Arc lighting has been around within the 1980s and probably 1990s and maybe early on before even the early 2000s and trust me it is still used today. Most people are mostly about LED technology but most of the neighborhoods in town and even highways they still rely on arc lighting.

    • @DigBipper188
      @DigBipper188 Місяць тому +7

      Arc lighting has been around much longer than that! carbon arc lamps were produced in the mid to late 1800s to replace gas and they were also more power dense and efficient than incandescent lamps at the time.
      Modern gas discharge lighting shares the same bones as these carbon arc lamps, but due to advancements in "shoving random stuff into a tube and blasting it with current for science" we have extremely tight control over all the parameters that affect the efficiency of the lamp such as the arc voltage, current, arc length, the quantity and types of elements that are in the discharge tube, the pressures that those elements exist in there at and so on.
      It's actually impressive to me still that we can have arc lamps with an almost 100 CRI. I have a couple of ceramic 70w metal halide lamps that claim a 95 CRI and an efficacy of 97 lumens per watt!!

  • @davida1hiwaaynet
    @davida1hiwaaynet Місяць тому +1

    Beautiful lamp! It was interesting to hear your discussion at the beginning. I have dealt with odd-frequency and DC motors before and had to build frequency converters before. I need to try and locate a high frequency carbon lamp to run with a frequency converter. I bet the sound will be different!

  • @redstonecommander5190
    @redstonecommander5190 5 місяців тому +1

    21:29 now in the early 2000s in the 1990s are climbing such as mercury vapor, lights or high-pressure, sodium lights deluxe similar to lamps, like these are starting to appear everywhere in cities all over because arc lighting within cities are starting to become more common

    • @redstonecommander5190
      @redstonecommander5190 5 місяців тому +1

      Perhaps this is how arc lighting got started

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  5 місяців тому +1

      There’s no doubt in my mind that arc lighting started with this very fixture pictured here.

    • @redstonecommander5190
      @redstonecommander5190 2 місяці тому +1

      And I’m pretty sure this is extremely bright even the reflections on the walls nearby were uncomfortable to look at.
      And heat from such a tiny little lamp was just staggering
      It was almost powerful enough to admit the entire day in direct sunlight

    • @redstonecommander5190
      @redstonecommander5190 2 місяці тому +1

      And since it also has a bit of a blue screen tint, I have a strong feeling that admits a very large amount of UV from that example of the uranium glass
      Enemy have a possible large amount within the UVB range and also UVC
      You should wear sunscreen near this

  • @ketas
    @ketas Місяць тому +8

    it doesn't matter, ac always hertz you

    • @fredfred2363
      @fredfred2363 Місяць тому

      And DC locks you up. Permanently.

  • @jdod64
    @jdod64 Місяць тому +1

    Could you use a vfd to supply a higher frequency AC signal?

  • @jagmarc
    @jagmarc Місяць тому +1

    For making different hertz , can use electric motor inverters ?

  • @NorthernChev
    @NorthernChev Місяць тому +2

    I’m guessing those were #3 lens welding goggles made for oxy-acetylene? Try a number 10 or 11 arc welding lens.

  • @redstonecommander5190
    @redstonecommander5190 2 місяці тому

    Arc lighting used to be very expensive because people and the villagers thought it was the future, but as the years go by arch lighting, starts to spread everywhere and becoming more cheaper and cheaper until it eventually reaches every Area of the Earth.
    Neighborhoods towns, cities, and even highways that’s why our lining used to be the mainstay within the lighting universe

  • @user-bp3yz5hy5n
    @user-bp3yz5hy5n 4 дні тому

    Imagine how much power these draw

  • @chadrowland5234
    @chadrowland5234 Рік тому +2

    I don't doubt that electrical was not standardized back in the day that carbon arc lamps were used. Back then, that was during the civil war and shortly after. During the civil war, electricity didn't really have a use like it does today. In fact, during the civil war, electricity was a luxury item that only the super rich and powerful people would enjoy. Around the World War 1, electricity became standardized and 60 Hertz AC became the normal operations. Around World War 2, electricity became standard equipment in homes. But carbon arc lamps were used even after incandescent came around. You know how gymnasiums, roads, factories, and such have mercury vapor and metal halide lights? Well, the carbon arc lamp was the "metal halide" back in the civil war era, Titanic days, and those eras of time. And, the operation of carbon arc lamps is just like that of an MH or mercury vapor. Electric jumps the gap between two rods or electrodes and forms an arc and generates light. MH and mercury vapor work that way too. Only difference is that the arc in carbon arc lamps is in the air. MH and mercury vapor are in an arc tube in a glass bulb. But, your carbon arc lamp is an HID light source, high intensity discharge. However, I would just drop in a metal halide ballast into the Adams Bagnal lamp and convert it to metal halide. If it a DC lamp, you might have a better time powering it but even then, it is second to being impossible to do. And, parts are basically non existent at this point. And, troubleshooting will be a major pain. That is why I always like to throw in a metal halide ballast and bulb into those lamps so I don't have to worry about your warnings. And, metal halide ballast and bulb is child's play to find. Metal halide ballast and bulb are "give-me" basically, child's play to find. That easy to find. Learning how to walk is harder than finding a metal halide ballast and bulb. But carbon arc lamp parts? Impossible to find. Good luck with your lamp!

    • @mfbfreak
      @mfbfreak 5 місяців тому +2

      Converting it to metal halide would be ruining the one thing that makes that lamp interesting and historically valuable. If you want to safely run it on 60hz, just put extra inductance in series with the whole lamp to reduce the current.
      It's no different than thinking 'Huh, my Van Gogh painting is getting cracks from sitting in the sun. Oh i know! I'll throw the original canvas away and just put in a printed copy with digitally removed cracks!'
      Just get a modern look alike if you want the looks of a 19th century lantern, don't go around destroying those increasingly rare pieces.

  • @Mr_Meowingtons
    @Mr_Meowingtons Місяць тому +2

    How many Amps is that using? would not be that hard to make a 133hz driver for that.

  • @jagmarc
    @jagmarc Місяць тому

    Could get a nice suntan from the light, I guess the glass globe blocks the nasty UVC and UVB.

  • @redstonecommander5190
    @redstonecommander5190 2 місяці тому +1

    22:16 I didn’t even know that this would also mean a way to attract an angry mob it is not a devilish force. It’s the future back then sure was a mainstay now, but it was the future back then.

    • @cyberGEK
      @cyberGEK Місяць тому

      He lives in Kansas, there are a lot of VERY religious people in that state, it wouldn’t surprise me if they still believe they are satanic and avoid them!

  • @norwegiannationalist7678
    @norwegiannationalist7678 2 роки тому +1

    how do you get carbon rods for the lamps?

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  2 роки тому +1

      You buy them on eBay.

    • @randacnam7321
      @randacnam7321 Рік тому +3

      @@Mirroxaphene Or welding supply stores as rods for arc gouging.

  • @georgewills-ek1gg
    @georgewills-ek1gg Місяць тому +1

    there are drivers/power supplies that generate the frequency that these need to run.

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  Місяць тому +1

      Do you have any specific links to examples? I’m not even sure what I would need to be looking for. This particular lamp was 133 hz @ 120V

    • @Broken_Yugo
      @Broken_Yugo Місяць тому +2

      ​@@Mirroxaphene I'd look at speeding up a true sine 60hz inverter, check controller IC datasheet, many support 0-400Hz for VFD and aviation power applications.

    • @denisohbrien
      @denisohbrien Місяць тому +2

      just use a VFD, or if your brave, a class D car audio amplifier, even a fairly modest one will have a +- 150v rail supply to the output section., would run one of these, jsut need a signal generator to feed it the desired frequency (and you have just made your own VFD but i digress)

  • @samsimington5563
    @samsimington5563 3 місяці тому +2

    For future reference of using tablets or phones to record videos, as long as circumstances don't prove otherwise, you can use the flashlight of the phone or tablet you're recording with as the light source for the shots. That of course isn't that valid in this video's case, but it's a great tool to take advantage of.

  • @DXingSlovenija
    @DXingSlovenija Рік тому +2

    The great thing about this lamp is that you just replace the carboon rods and lamp can keep operating for centuries
    Not like todays lamps (like Incondecent, MetalHalide, MercuryVapor, SOX, SON, and god no LED'), you cannot replace anything inside there
    Once they stop making them (SOX, MercuryVapor) or ban them (incondecent, CFL), because people like to ban stuff now, you are out of luck if you want to use them for whatever reason
    With carbon lamps, as long as you can get some carboon rods (which you will probably be able to do for centuries), and know how to fix things if they break, you will be able to use this carboon lamps for a long time

    • @SMGJohn
      @SMGJohn 5 місяців тому

      Filament bulbs must have vacuum inside, the Soviets tried to make replaceable filament bulbs but they all failed, they came up with a method of bulb that would connect to an lamp that would create the vacuum inside the bulb, this worked but by 100 insertions the seals were so worn the vacuum failed not to mention the complexity and cost of manufacturing the thing outweighed all benefits.
      The technology is more the case of limitation rather than the manufacturer in this case.

  • @mernokallat645
    @mernokallat645 Рік тому +2

    Sources mention 133 Hz, this is the 1st time I hear about 166 and 233.

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  Рік тому +1

      They seem to be multiples of 3,600

    • @mernokallat645
      @mernokallat645 Рік тому

      @@Mirroxaphene Did you actually see arc lamps rated for that? 133 Hz is the highest I can find about historical distribution.

    • @mernokallat645
      @mernokallat645 11 місяців тому

      @@tripplefives1402 Westingouse standardized single phase 133 Hz but later changed to 2 and 3 phase 60 Hz because Nikola Tesla's induction motor worked better on it.

  • @charleshunziker7416
    @charleshunziker7416 Місяць тому +1

    turn it on already

  • @user-is3bp6ii4n
    @user-is3bp6ii4n Місяць тому +2

    Did you say hertz or HURTS lol!😂

  • @vintagetoiletstexas2443
    @vintagetoiletstexas2443 Рік тому +1

    What happened to all your other street light videos

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  Рік тому +2

      I’ve given up on the hobby. I stopped being involved with the groups a few years ago but it’s just not fun anymore with the drama. Even the admins of the groups act like children, are not mature, and need to put more effort into being emotionally mature, goal oriented, responsible people.

    • @enterprize-zi8dd
      @enterprize-zi8dd Рік тому

      @@Mirroxaphene I agree it’s too bad

    • @fredfred2363
      @fredfred2363 Місяць тому

      That's a shame. It's like that with so many special interest groups and clubs... never ever join a committee.

  • @shanewilmot3639
    @shanewilmot3639 2 роки тому +1

    How can I buy an inner globe?

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  2 роки тому

      Items like this are trade items to help get other parts.

    • @fanglethorpe
      @fanglethorpe Місяць тому

      Go to a glass blower im sure they can hook ya up... it's better than them making bongs and pipes all day

  • @fxantique
    @fxantique 4 місяці тому

    Hello,is this for sale? i have three Adams Bagnall lamps

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  4 місяці тому

      There’s several different variations. Do you have pictures?

    • @fxantique
      @fxantique 4 місяці тому

      Do you have an email? I'll send you a picture

    • @fxantique
      @fxantique 4 місяці тому

      @@Mirroxaphene Do you have an email? I'll send you a picture

    • @fxantique
      @fxantique 4 місяці тому

      @@Mirroxaphene Do you have an email? I'll send you a picture

  • @fxantique
    @fxantique 4 місяці тому

    Do you have an email? I'll send you some pictures about this lamp.
    i have three.
    But two of the lights are missing shades😂

  • @ketas
    @ketas Місяць тому

    i did go back and still heard adams vaginal lamp...

  • @Biokemist-o3k
    @Biokemist-o3k Місяць тому

    Hahahaha that is so funny that people just think they can use something that is 100 years old....lol Super cool lamp....

  • @richardbelew6812
    @richardbelew6812 5 днів тому

    Word up dude... People should know better to f**k with electricity if they aren't fully trained

  • @bussi7859
    @bussi7859 Місяць тому +1

    Blablablabla

    • @Mirroxaphene
      @Mirroxaphene  Місяць тому

      @@bussi7859 absolutely. What’s really crazy is we haven’t learned that until the last three years which is absolutely mind blowing.

  • @chadrowland5234
    @chadrowland5234 Рік тому +1

    If I owned a carbon arc lamp like that in this video, I would just throw in a metal halide ballast and bulb.

    • @DigBipper188
      @DigBipper188 7 місяців тому +1

      I wouldn't - unless the original internals are absolutely munted.
      If they were still in serviceable condition I'd rather build a 133Hz inverter and continue operating it with carbons.
      Failing that, a 400w 6000K MH wouldn't do too bad as a stand-in for the carbons. But you lose a lot of colour accuracy since most high colour temp MH lamps are only about 60-80CRI. Carbon arc is 100CRI as is incandescent.

    • @manitoba-op4jx
      @manitoba-op4jx Місяць тому +1

      @@DigBipper188incandescents are funny seeing as their CRI is proportional to how close you are to the operating voltage 😅

    • @DigBipper188
      @DigBipper188 Місяць тому

      ​@@manitoba-op4jx yeah :) Funny how variable what is essentially a tiny little tungsten resistor can be when you vary the energy through it :)

    • @chadrowland5234
      @chadrowland5234 4 години тому

      ​@@DigBipper188You are right about that. The new stuff will never replace the old. If you are only wanting to fire up an Adams Bagnal lamp on the original carbons, it may be fine for say a hobbyist. However, the problem is when you need to replace the carbons, those carbons aren't made anymore, I seriously doubt that the original people who made that lamp are even alive anymore, so you'll have plenty of problems finding carbons for it. And even if you manage to find carbons, which chances of that are second to none, you will have plenty of problems finding the opportunity to light it. Like I said in a previous comment, and he said in the video, those lamps were intended to operate on very high frequency AC, try 360 cycles or something like that, but even if I am right on, good luck finding access to that high of frequency. I guess you can try wiring that lamp to the red and blue leads of a high frequency instant start electronic fluorescent light ballast but I wouldn't recommend it. In fact, I would STRONGLY advise against using a fluorescent light ballast to step up the frequency like that. You can damage the ballast and maybe even the Adams Bagnal lamp doing that, can even catch fire. Not to mention that carbons are a fire hazard. That is what happened in the Iroquois Chicago Theater in 1908, which caused the curtains to catch fire. That in turn led to the development of the crash bar, if you ever wander. It was a carbon arc stage light that caught the draperies which caused the theater to go up which claimed 700 plus lives. Yes, a carbon lamp caused all of that madness, or so I'm told. I only brought it up to prove my point. If the Adams Bagnal lamp operates on DC, just series batteries together and you're there. But an AC model might be a problem. That's why I prefer to convert it to metal halide and use a 6500k MH bulb. Yes, at the time of the Civil War, WW 1 and 2, Titanic, Lusitania, and those eras, carbon lamps were the hot dog back then. Carbons were the precursor to MH, mercury vapor, high pressure sodium, and fluorescent lights. In fact, carbons worked on the same principle and idea as fluorescent, MH, and mercury vapor.