FAQ/clarification thread: Q: Aren't some of these more likely content mill/cheap labor used to write corporate slop, rather than AI? A: Some might very well be, but, 1. the articles are polluting just as much regardless, and 2. AI will exponentially grow and encourage this kind of slop regardless, and 3. Corporate humans coercing other cheap labor humans into writing slop is arguably even worse than just using gpt directly. maybe it's just me but I don't exactly find solace in the idea of using pseudo-slave-labor to write AI-grade digital pollution. I should've probably done more research on this, but also, this was recorded in an improvised 4h ramble the day after, and I've been explicitly trying to be less perfectionist, because it leads to me never releasing anything. the downside is of course potential mistakes like this, where I should've read up on something beforehand. But I felt like I had to act quickly while I was still in it, mentally, otherwise this would be another video on the pile that never made it out. It doesn't of course change my main points, even if literally all of them were content mill stuff, but, in the end, I guess in that case I accidentally showcased a real instance of how chemotherapy accidentally targets healthy cells too Q: Is the description of the video AI generated? A: no lol but I'm gonna take that as a compliment in this one rare instance! Q: Is the thumbnail AI generated? A: I stole the green tentacles from an already generated image from stable diffusion's website, otherwise no. I figured this is the one instance I'm gonna use AI imagery because it's literally supposed to represent AI! The rest I cobbled together in photoshop as usual, using some screenshots of search bars etc. Q: How many cats do you have? A: Three! Salad is the white fluffball napping throughout the entire footage. Thor is the tuxedo cat walking across my desk near the end of the video. Finally, Toast is the guy who unplugged my monitor in the added footage! Also toast and salad are brothers. I figured this would be important information
It'll only gets worse as these garbage AI's are trained on corporate slop and other garbage AI search results. The AI slop will only get worse and worse as the whole 'Garbage in, garbage out' rule takes hold as more and more internet content is AI generated in the first place. Salad, Toast and Thor are cute names for kitties.
Thanks for clarifying. I've worked in content-writing for businesses for a long time, and the quality issues you've identified predate AI by a long shot. Sadly, most people simply don't know how to write. In fact, as bad as AI is at communicating, it generally won't make the kinds of grammatical and structural errors that you've spotted.
perhaps you should have started your search from Wikipedia. Life is an antenna directed to the sun. If you struggle to find meaning is life, disconnect, go to a park, look at ducks in the pond. repeat for a week, then see if you are missing what you have experienced over the previous week there. The sun and the sunny weather gives meaning to life. Once you reach certain age, the only thing you wait for is another sunny day. Not sure of that? Write it down and come back to it in 10 or 15 years. That will the most important thing you will always look forward to then ;). The network can take your youth from you, but your nature will prevail, you will go back to where you belong. The sun is life, it is religion to all of us. Do not attach your life hopes to anything technical or human made, unless it is your physical creation. Tech will always will get developed faster than you can comprehend, you will get automated out of your profession sooner or later. Focus of the physical world, and place the network can't reach. The more secluded and disconnected place the better for maintaining hope and keeping depression at bay. Forget about tech, it is waste of time. Focus on growing food, painting or walks in the park, these are things nobody can take from you, and the added benefit is, you can disconnect from all the bs corpos try to stuff down our eyes and ears.
Maybe all the Sci-Fi stories that predicted a post apocalyptic time when we will be reduced to having to go to old fashion libraries and get real books out in order to get any real information were not too far off in their prediction for the future.
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As a graphic designer AI art has been unbearable lately, i've been using a chrome extension called 'Pre-AI Search' that just filters google to pre-2023 results and finally can get actual human-made reference again. not sure what that says about future of the internet
My grandmother died last year. I wrote a poem to be included in the funeral program that was given to all the attendees. After the service, someone came up to me and complimented me on the poem, then immediately followed up by asking if I wrote it myself or used AI. I'm still struggling to find a way to articulate how that interaction made me feel. It's like everyone signed a contract to forfeit our humanity and I somehow missed the memo.
i can relate in a way about that; sorry about your loss as well. I got into writing, felt a fire in me a few years ago just after coming out of lockdown, and the verbosity, articulation and intersection of chatGPT made quite a few of my friends ask if the writing was AI, or "how much of it was AI generated". It was gutting. Like the effort was void; no one ever will appreciate the time of effort that goes into thinking, or articulating, or editing any more. Especially now we have infinite babble at all times. The more gutting thing about crapGPT getting adopted in use; was people using it as a shield for their own ignorance or as an attempt to collaborate in a business. Nah mate it's discord, I don't want you to copy and paste 30 paragraphs of what I've just explained to you.
@@DranKofThat's actually doubly concerning if is the case, because then the ones asking the OP would not have expected the OP to write something up to AI quality (in their eyes). Personally, I don't think I'll ever be able to consider being compared to AI as a compliment. Also reminds me of how some trained voiceover professionals genuinely get mistaken for AI voice simply due to them just doing what they have been doing for years.
@@coldblooded568in case you were unaware, AI is not something that is turned on and off, they’re sat on servers and constantly improving. “Improvement” ends up with more processing power used, which then exponentially increase’s electricity usage. Already large AI companies are starting to struggle with how much power is required, as it just keeps on doubling and doubling, some companies requiring more power than *some countries* to run these AIs. And it will only get worse, the “promise” that all the problems with AI will get “fixed over time” requires MORE POWER. *infinitely*, AI won’t just be “solved”, it has to constantly improve, it will continuously double and double till… well, you can guess.
As an undergraduate computer science student, I am frustrated by the fact that my professors are all researching AI, and because I need one of them to supervise my bachelor's thesis, I am also forced to research AI... like, since when did computer science become equivalent to AI research?
I hate it also. I love Computer Vision. My undergrad thesis is a combo of CV+NLP. I hated the NLP part tho, I wanted to go pure CV but the profs said I should go with the combo. This was before all the craze about AI (which is just synonymous to big LLM now).
@@bethrains3105 Computer Science has many subfields. Artificial Intelligence is a subfield (of Data Science or Computer Science, depending on the university). Claiming that "AI is the endgame of CS" is like saying "Nuclear Fusion is the endgame of Physics", which are false.
That's because the internet back then survived on VC money, now that it's gone, they want a ROI. It was always going to degenerate into this. The only solution is a non-commercial internet.
The internet always extracted value from you. Any website that you extracted value from in 2005, showed you ads, etc., to extract value from you. If something is free, you are the product.
You can pretty safely bump that up to 2022. Imagine how much worse the pandemic would have been if we also had to contend with AI misinformation at the start of it…
"This is a up and coming file format that more people use every year" is how I tried to justify the relevance of my research papers in the introduction at university
because it is (and always was) like that on those types of e-platforms websites. All that content exists only to get users to buy their platform subscription
That's both where AI got it's data, AND the resulting material used by the next generation of lazy students. we've come full circle on bullshitting in papers.
I'm a teacher. They're trying to push generative AI "tools" for educators. We had a whole fucking professional development seminar about using these slop machines at my last school. I noped the fuck out of there as soon as I could. How can we as educators admonish our students for using AI to cheat when their teachers are using it to generate the assignments? It disgusts me. Like a true, deep moral revulsion.
Right there with you. My job went from analog and enjoyable to loaded with tech, screens, BYOD, and now students passing AI generated papers off as their own original work. We have "Tunitin" but the students have "AI writing humanizers" so honestly, I am, as the kids say, "cooked".
Generative AI is honestly, the ultimate proof that being more "productive" is not always a good thing. Productivity is worthless if all you're producing is mindless slop.
Thank you for putting it into words. I think I needed to hear this, not in the context of AI (I despise it plenty already), but rather of chasing "productive" output while disregarding my own creative drive and desires.
I wish tech companies understood that… just let me produce quality work, please. The slop is getting so bad now it’s starting to actually impacts companies revenues.
My art teacher once called productivity the result of dividing quality by time. I wish other people viewed it the same. To be truly productive, you still need to produce quality, not just quickly make garbage.
My boss started using AI generated meeting notes and I have gone from "GenAI is a useful tool being overhyped." to "this is borderline useless tech." As you describe, the notes are *so* wordy and convey so little information. We have a 30 minute meeting and get 2 to 3 pages of notes that are only about 90% accurate. My job is *much* worse when I got to ask someone what happened in a short meeting I could not attend and I get told to check this shit. It reads like an 8th grader trying desperately to make their book report page limit.
Or maybe get your boss to use a model that is actually trained to be more efficient at note taking. In Google's AI studio, you can literally tell it "Make these meeting notes as to-the-point as possible for later reference" and it will do it.
Decades of computer science just to recreate freshman essays that paraphrase information and pad out the word count with useless badly conveyed misinformation.
@_B_E ya the way we use the models is important; the default priming of the AI is rather shoddy and needs refined toward your particular goal. These algorithms model associations observed in its training data. It must have seen specific examples of your request or topic. Otherwise it's guessing and hallucinates more often. Another important factor is the way we talk with the AI: even seemingly spurious information can tune the generated output
Alternatively to using more AI, imagine if someone who attended the meeting and actually knows what needs to be taken note of had written down some bullet points, sentences, and/or quotes if precise wording is necessary. Cause that sounds a lot easier and more consistent than trying to reorganise an entire company around whatever hot new AI innovation is "taking the world by storm". OpenAI is billions of dollars in the hole and still has to employ humans to moderate their bots. It's not worth it y'all, just drop it, it's getting sad.
Thank you for making this video. As an artist, and someone who digs art in general, the AI bullshit has been rough. I can't shut it out, people around me are talking about it, constantly reminding me how the potential loss of something so vital to me "isn't even the worst that can happen" or "isn't so bad" (a friend basically wants to start an AI worshipping cult yay). Hell, my familly who considers themselves anti AI bought AI generated christmas decorations ! There also the case of a guy pushing very freaking hard his adds for AI tools training. On facebook groups meant to find jobs in the animation and videogame industry. He even had the galls to quote "I have a dream" in one of his adds. I can't shut it out because it's wormed its way everywhere around me. There's a sense of hopelessness, of being completely cornered, and even people who are in the damn art buisness are looking forward to that ! I've had to hear someone pitch his "dream game made entirely in AI, so that a game could finally have a soul" ! I can't. Games already have souls damnit (at least when the industry doesn't sand it off) I'm not even a big artist, hell I'm not an average artist. I'm a complete nobody, and now even if I succed, the most I can look forward to is having my voice taken from me and my art made into the most dead-inside version of itself so someone else can get the credit. It's an artist's existential nightmare in two damn letters. So yeah, thanks for making this video. Because maybe for the first time since this started I feel like I'm not alone in this. Because knowing this is what I hang on to when I feel like deleting my accounts and art off of the internet, and giving up on sharing it. Because that's what art is about. Knowing you're not alone.
You are not alone at all. I have seen so many creatives express their grief about AI. Not just visual artists, but writers, musicians, photographers and photo editors, basically all creative fields are being replaced by AI. And it's just so bland and soulless and seriously annoying. I love art. I love seeing how people express themselves, to know that thoughts went into every brushstroke and piece of melody and choice of word and how effects are applied. AI creates completely mediocre art that doesn't have any thought or emotion behind it. It's advertiser friendly is all that it is. I despise it.
You're not alone. Ever since the entire AI craze has started my market has completely dried up, I went form having 20 commissions a year to 0 ever since. I've had to completely abandon doing art full time since It stopped earning me money. Now I'm stuck with a university degree and no job. I've been searching for one for the last 5 months. No response. At least my manga is slowly getting some traction.
Maybe it's time for some introspection? People are constantly overestimating their ability, and if you create your art as a means of expression then why would you be bothered by AI? You can just keep creating your art for your own personal satisfaction, yes? But if you're creating it for others then maybe others just don't think it's so great. Just trying to illustrate the problems might lie with your ambitions more than your self expression.
@@RichardStanton-c3j I think you really misunderstand a thing about art : a very important part of it is to communicate something to others. There's a big part that's for fun and for you, sure, but a veeery big part of the work is there for a project to be accessible to others. Kinda feels like the point of art, to communicate a feeling, a reflexion, a fever dream maybe ? Making art for others isn't "not valuing oneself" it's believing your vision deserves to exists in some form. And to be communicated. In a way you're right, I could stop making anything that isn't for myself. Doing small doodles and prototypes, no need to finish anything since I wouldn't show it anyway right ? The vision's in my head on repeat so I don't need to make it into something real, yeah ? But isn't that so damn sad ? To just give up on the world ? What you're suggesting isn't to start valuing my art, it's to decide no one will ever want it, at all. I can't think of any way to devaluate it more. And what of the art I look at ? I want to see something and know a person made that, regardless of my own situation. That's why AI makes me so sad too : it's not just a "me" problem. It's everywhere. I can't look forward to a world where every serie, game, comic, etc is made by that damn algorithm. Also you can have any vision you like, if AI puts you out of your job, it's going to do so regardless : / It's just a neverending "you thought you didn't care, but it's going to affect you one way of another".
I am old enough to remember the excitement of the early internet. The ability to share knowledge with anyone in the world, how that would revolutionise everything. I invested so much of my young adulthood into. But over the past few years, I've becoming increasingly disillusioned. The digital world was so full of hate, grift, and misinformation, my joy was being sucked out. And now generative AI has come along... I just can't anyone more. I hate it. I hate the internet, I stopped going on social media, stopped making art, I don't care about memes anymore or video games. I despise it, it makes me so miserable to be in contact with. I've taken up gardening, loads of physical hobbies like climbing and rollerskating, I cook more often. I feel like I am back in the 90s again, before the internet. I can't tell if I am just old, and missing out on the next industrial revolution, or if Gen AI is as loathable as I feel it is. I hate it. I won't buy anything or support anyone who uses this stuff. It's death to the soul.
I think you’re just ahead of your community. A lot of people old enough to remember that lifestyle are returning, and even those younger are seeking answers. Similarly, I think about leaving social media and just haven’t done it yet. Recent events have accelerated my thinking.
I'm doing same as you. I do still check on messages, cuz living abroad, but besides that - gardening, renovations, and just good old chilling in the sun with cats - I can't deal with the noise everywhere
It certainly has something to do with getting older. I'm a tech guy, grew up alongside the computing industry (C64 is my start into computing). I've gotten off social media 8 years ago. Random searches of the internet have become fruitless, you have to use it more like a library, where you have good sources bookmarked. I think this all started before AI, but AI will make it that much worse. It may have started with the "free" or 99 cent apps. Most websites and apps are now designed to keep you engaged as long as possible, instead of maximizing your efficiency to get things done efficiently. Maybe the internet is just going through a life cycle, just like cable TV and other technologies. But AI obviously has much larger reprocussion than just the internet. Sad part is that you can't function in society anymore without taking part in all this...
I'm guessing this will be one of those comment sections that will quickly turn toxic so I'm just enjoying my time here while it's nice and calm. hope you're doing well, whoever is reading this
The fact that the AI’s ability to imitate and deceive humans is a metric for success is insane, and in my opinion what makes it so cancerous. When you actively try to replace human creativity and storytelling with AI, you suck the soul out of everything it touches
I know **exactly** what you mean. Normally im as peaceful and tolerant as an Air bender but seeing crap like that... And not just seeing it but having to go OUT OF MY WAY to avoid seeing it, WITH LIMITED SUCCESS... it makes me CRAVE VIOLENCE
What I find frightening about the way algorithms work today is that when you get videos and news tailored to your interests, you start to think that important issues like the sketchy circumstances under which AI is being developed and deployed are already being debated and in the public consciousness, when in fact most people are neither informed nor concerned about how these technologies will affect their lives.
The internet is a part of reality. How do you know that people are not all in your "bubble"? Probably due to family, friends and coworkers. Where do you draw the lines for your bubble? I think its kinda nice that not everyone is forced into the exact same perspective/bubble. Being tolerant/mindful of other bubbles is kind of separate from that, right?
@cookie_plant8992 i didn't say that the internet is seperate from reality. It's just uniquely structured. And the curation of media today is mainly controlled by big cooperations through the aid of complex algorithms users usually don't fully understand. That is, in my opinion, very different from the way we control the information we're confronted with and the people we surround ourselves with in real life. If that makes sense
No, youtube videos are not tailored by my interest, but what AI thinks is the most engaging to me. I have some youtubers which publish irregulary, and youtube never notifies about rare content. It feeds me by short videos, girls in bikini in thumbnails and I feel like it changed a lot last year.
I'm a software engineer and usually when friends or family ask me about my thoughts on AI I reply with some version of "neural networks have some cool legitimate uses in approximating prohibitively slow/resource-intensive/unknown algorithms, but are not intelligent and the hype about AI right now is mostly misplaced". I have lately been very frustrated about the proliferation of these AI slop websites whenever I try to search for literally any information. This video has gotten me to think about how big this problem really is, so from now on when people ask I will sound the alarm about the deeply antisocial and destructive nature of generative AI.
I think text-AI is intelligent, just not really that usefull, because really stupid (you have to have intelligence to be stupid.) Slop requires intelligence and amorality to create (also greed). But mostly I would criticize google, facebook and co for allowing sub-par content on their platforms and promoting them via their algorithmic feeds.
AI in different fields is working in a different way. I don't know if you have been living under a rock but projects like Windsurf, Github copliot and Cursor allow you to develop at a much much faster rate than without. This is going to lead to layoffs in the tech industry and I don't see how it can reverse.
@@cookie_plant8992 It sounds intelligent but it is far from it. It just look refined because o billions of input text from real intelligent people (and some casual things so it can have more use-cases). what we haev is only an advanced autofill suggestion, based purely on use data and not in meaning. Business are only incorporating it because of pure marketing, they know this generative thing isn't agreggate in nothing, they are doing it for the capital sake.
also a software engineer and I LOVE the LLMs they are so extremely useful for learning, googling and sorting stuff its insane, I dont use them to develop but just help with all kinds of basic tasks, sort through documentation present data nicely, do all kinds of small tasks that help speed up my learning process and workflow. Im cool if others dont like it and choose not to use it, thats fine too.
Right? In the past I used to try in shine light in the "pros and cons", like highlight why it's so bad, and how it doesn't work how people think it does, but also show it has applications, sadly people do not understand nuance (look at the replies you received in this exact comment to see exactly what I'm talking about), and people who are far from both the problems, applications and development of AI are even more immune to nuance in the discourse, it's either trash or the future, the "it has applications and probably could create cool things if used correctly, but people are using it to generate trash and destroy human work, while also using it completely opposed to how it was supposed to be used and neglecting actual research on it" flows over their head, they'll read into that reply whatever their pre-conceived bias tell them to. This video basically settled for me, if people won't understand nuance, I'll not add it to my discourse, if anyone asks me this is trash, any amount of work we can put in to slow this AI stuff is fair. The worst part is: even proper applications of AI are being obstructed by these stupid applications that worsens everything.
Recently I've been struggling for the exact same reasons you described in this video. Thanks for reassuring my "faith" in humanity, stories, curiosity, and creativity. Feels good to know I'm not alone.
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It's crazy, i work in the IT and even if you ask colleagues how to do x or y, they do so often response with: "idk ask chatgpt". We had someone who should write a Software and write his bachelor thesis about that software. Completly AI generated and the university haven't noticed. It is also not restricted to use generative ai at that university. The bad thing, in the Industry your Grade matters alot atleast where i live. The meaning of the grade loose all his value to this. Thanks for your Video and all your videos you have produced. On Reddit you're the recommended source for gamedev math, so continue to make great tutorials because many many many people prefer learning from someone passionated instead of an ai.
Idk, maybe I was just unlucky with my field, but in my experience of looking for a job, unless you want to go to academia, grade doesn't matter at all. Grade is not a good metric for how well you will perform in development, so it's mostly ignored. Unless it's so low there are reasons to doubt your ability to work for 8 hours a day. Experience matters a lot more, and I've ended up writing up a year of experience in IT just so I can get an interview (which was easy to pass).
@@wumi2419 I was about to say the same thing. But a thesis was mentioned; and on a second consideration that would skew toward research and development type jobs.
I worked as a software engineer for close to 40 years, retiring last year. In that time I ran across many so-called "educated" programmers who wrote much worse code than I've ever seen an AI churn out. I'll take the AI generated code any day over someone whose code you have to try and repair then ultimately scrap completely and start over because it's so bad. At least with the AI code it generally takes a few minor fixes to get working correctly.
@@RichardStanton-c3jIt's not about the ai code, it's about the programmers not knowing the code. Who will replace your generation of coders when your generation is gone and the next generation omly asks chat gtp?
What's tragic is how youtube used this anti-AI video to push AI startup adds on how I can earn passive income with AI tools, use my voice to 'sing' any song to my AI generated girlfriend that agrees with everything I say and then use AI to write a book on any topic I want and call it a day.
I've perfected the art of completely ignoring UA-cam Apps. I suddenly become very interested in my ceiling or what's out my window for that 5 - 15 seconds.
Thank you for explaining why I feel dread. I could never articulate what made me feel so threatened as a non-artist, but the potential loss of meaning and purpose in life (especially as an atheist) is exactly it. If the entire internet becomes AI "art" and "blog posts" I know I can always come back to this channel for quality content from a real human with knowledge and passion.
18:58 This is the thing that irks me about every "tech company" website nowadays - they never explain what the heck their product/service even is. Every company "creates & delivers experiences", with a vision of "empowering you to reach your full potential", by "increasing your engagement & growth" and "optimizing performance", with some charts, analytics, and numbers about... _stuff,_ and fancy background animations of _things_ just... _vaguely happening,_ before eventually asking if you want to sign up. Sign up for what? Who are you? What is it you actually _do?_
The word 'solutions' has made it almost impossible to understand what a company does, everyone just tries to tell you how good their solutions are instead of the thing they actually do. (This might be because every company offers consulting now because its a free money glitch)
Just need to understand the core two things that AI can do = 1. Creating distractions & dependency IE dissonance so that profit can be made from someones " attention" - so it operates in parasitic manner to be better at controlling, manipulating & exploiting ( stupid, greedy people for the most part ) 2. the other side is barley talked about as that would be AI harmonics - the things that would help individual people to develop into aware, free, intelligent adults with the critical thinking & abstract reasoning skills which helps them expand there understanding & skillfulness to better be able to engage with the increasing complexity of life. Unfortunately there is little money to be made with number 2.
I hear ya. I find the same thing with some corporate job descriptions... uh huh, ok, sure, but can you give me a specific example of what that actually means?
Two things: 1. You reading these articles, especially the first one, is probably one of the best vocalizations of how my brain works that I've seen. I had to call my partner in to watch it so he could understand me better. 2. All of these, every single one, is created specifically for Search Engine Optimization. Pages with more keywords will feature higher in more searches than pages written with informative, focused and concise content. It's the shotgun approach that has proven most successful in gaming Google and others, and which has directly led to a progressive "poisoning" of the indexes which manifests as "worse results". This was happening before (LLM) AI, but it's just happening faster now.
Over here in germany I did an apprenticeship as a software dev and during my interview I got laughed at for caring about art in school. I do gamedev and webdesign for fun, because I like to do visual things, but the people I met told me it is a "worthless" waste of time as it generates no revenue compared to the time you put in. I think a lot of these people get these levers now to completely gut everything that has a fun and creative process.
As an actual artstudent in the times of AI, I can tell you. Art and actually doing it and learning it does SO many good things for you! The people that laughed at you are clearley dumb af, lazy and have themself ZERO clue what they are talking about.
That sounds about right. It has been the case since forever. Most art does not produce revenue. Only in the recent past have artists on mass managed to make a living with it.
the way you articulated the sheer existential dread AI has brought you as a creative struggling w depression is just... man. i feel that in my fucking soul. beautifully stated. recently just being online feels more and more exploitative. even just watching this video, i was constantly interrupted by shitty souless ads that ive seen probably tens of thousands of times for trash ill never buy that make me wanna swear at my screen every time i have to hit "skip." it feels insulting. every second spent online, youre being assaulted nonstop by corporate tendrils trying to wring Value out of you, and fighting it off has just gotten so fucking exhausting. i feel like ive been more irritable lately, and honestly, while theres plenty of factors that are likely in play, i think the mental fatigue of online life is a non-significant one. just before the new year, i picked up sculpting with polymer clay again, and its been extremely refreshing. I'll be listening to video essays in the background usually, and if i need reference images I'll be consulting a search engine (thank god ive got physical books to reference too), so its not an activity totally free from The Digital Capitalist Sludge Heap, but at least my eyes are mostly off the screen. im making something with my own two hands. the process itself is entirely unplugged. my work is something that can be experienced with every single one of my senses (though maybe dont eat the clay). it makes me feel so... alive. present. grounded. i think its been a boon to my very turbulent mental health. anyway, thank you for making this video. as someone else who loves to learn new things from actual human beings, I'm looking forward to hearing more from you in the future :)
im a young computer engineer in a tech-heavy research position, so i consider myself relatively tech-savvy, but the examples you gave at the beginning really made me realize ive been reading more AI generated BS than I thought. while googling many obscure file formats used for my job and just quickly parsing pages to find the info I need, ive seen "this up and coming file format that is becoming super popular! its the best choice!" so many times and never really thought about it. i just assumed "hmm well thats cool, good thing im using this format if its so popular", now i'm almost 100% certain it was just AI marketing. thank you for making this video freya! the description got a laugh out of me, despite the sadness of it's accuracy
It seems people are starting to suspect something... Most engineering jobs is fucking fast-fashion in tech form. Coding is not physics, where nothing has changed since the big bang and people have to discover everything. It's not a law discipline where all of the processes of a country are based on those fucking laws that change very slowly and require you to parse them. When you're working in a programming environment, you've got libraries, languages, products, constantly coming out and dying, and most of the time even the tasks themsevles have the same nature. A programmer is required to know a few basic algorithms, understand how programs get from text to execution, read someone else's code and fix what needs to be fixed. Most tasks come down to: find information, understand information, apply understanding. I really doubt that you're as tech-savvy as you think you are.
Those examples started to become a problem like 2 decades ago. This is nothing new and there is a good chance those pages are older than any GPT model. Sure it's easier than ever and you don't even have to pay anybody in Pakistan to make these anymore, but this specific example is a problem with SEO, not AI.
Yeah it's literally always been like this. Don't you remember the enormous confusion around gigabits and gigabytes? Probably too young for that but you will still find people screwing it up and getting it backwards and that will continue to the end of time
I hadn't actually seen the video description until I read your comment and went back up to read it. It gave me a good chuckle, and I'm also enjoying the somewhat meta notion that this laugh of mine feels attributed both to Freya (as the writer of the description), and you, for causing me to go read it. The magic of human connection, eh?
@@humanharddrive1 He said “relatively”. None of that has to do with applying critical thought to the sources you are reading except debugging. Totally different things that could mean he isn’t tech savvy, or it could just mean he’s admitting to being human.
If we think about it outside of a business perspective, a bunch of these companies trying to make money to the best of their ability above everything else really feels like when a kid is being childish and tries copying doing something that they have no real meaning over yet - they're just doing it for the sake of doing it, because that's what they saw. Much the same way, these companies will do anything to get that money and grow, seemingly infinitely, very often without ever actually ending up caring about the work they do or the passion behind it. Perhaps some companies started out caring, but then they'll go public and the whole narrative changes.
@@XeZrunner When it comes to AI slop, we're talking about one-"business"man run sweatshops in India, not real companies. These people are simpy desperate for money, their business is a bit like running a digital prostitution racket. They also don't really care about their "customers", they care about somehow exploiting the system to generate a small profit in a dog-eat-dog world which surrounds them (because of overpopulation and global politics).
I worked as a SEO writer and I can confirm. Luckily, I quit. SEO writing was BAD before ChatGPT but now it's just nuts. We had to produce so much text in so little time that the quality was below the ground.
Just wanted to tell thanks. Depression is hard and it was the right choice to silence all the media related to the cause. Media feeds on dread and like to bloat everything out of proportion, so it is a good idea to just not listen to them.
Only halfway through the video, but I can definitely recall that searching for these niche file formats quite often ended up in these very "templatey" / "free online converter" websites even before AI. But I guess now it's harder to tell them apart and there's probably more of it.
@@CryZe92 Low-effort, template-based file format sites have been around for a long time (though they used to be at least marginally useful and less verbose), but I think the fake blog post is a newer vector. You would also usually get at least some useful documentation on the first page of search results, right?
You've put your finger on exactly the same dread and disgust I feel about generative AI. It's horrible, I hate it, it's destroying everything I hold dear.
Some of this slop is SEO heavy, which makes it hard to read. Some of this slop is templated, which makes it difficult to scan (with human eyes) for useful information. Some of this slop is slop, which makes it just awful all over and throughout.
When I was in high school, teachers told us not to use Wikipedia as a bibliography because the content there might be unreliable. Now it seems the other way around. Well, I'm curious to see what will happen when the internet is flooded with this AI crap. Will we embrace tradition and read books? Will they also be AI generated or become obsolete? Who knows! Great video, Freya!
@@dudelookatree Yeah, it's a common get rich quick scheme. I've seen UA-cam encouraging people to make AI slop books just so they can profit from it. It's gross.
I've been so terrified myself as well. Anyone that I talk to from my bubble of techies, they just shun me as a technophobe, saying "yeah man, that's just how the world is". I respond in anger, yes, it is how it is, but why are we happily assisting and clapping this along? People with power and platform should SPEAK UP! Very few of them do, so much respect to you for doing so. Thanks!
@@DeaconPain Yeah. They just want it to be "inevitable." ...It's kind of funny how much "inevitable" stuff turns out not to be inevitable when people kick hard enough.
A browser extension not unlike uBO sounds like it might be neat. Where users can report websites that post AI garbage so they may be avoided by being highlighted or removed from search results. But if such a thing were to happen, it would also be the ideal resource for OpenAI and other such leeches to scrape even more websites.
it exists, there's one made by Iorate that does exactly this when paired with a custom list by NotaInutilis. can't mention it by name because this website makes my comments disappear when i do that
In theory, Kagi's "lenses" might be able to do that ,but they limit the number of exclusions to 10... (And it is a paid search engine, which is not ideal...)
Like so many problems, we want to nibble around the edges, but the problematic parts are growing from capitalism. Capitalism is the problem. Advertising is deception. Imagine if the bargain was not made (for us) in the 1990s that allowed advertising to drive the web. Everything good comes from altruism, self-satisfaction, community, passion. The bad stuff is money. We live in a society where we need money to live, where the necessities are measured in money, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way. Thank you for making this video, it's driven by the good stuff.
This!! Global warming and the enshittification of the internet ultimately have the same cause: A system that drives corporations to do unethical things (to the detriment of us all) because making the highest profits is obligatory. Otherwise investors get mad. That's capitalism.
Even if OP has a 7-digit salary or uses products of slave labour, that doesn't make the argument any less valid. You can't "start with yourself" on topics that require systemic change.
Pro tip: Switch to "Web" (in the bar under your search with like Maps, Shopping etc) to get the old school Google results with only links, no AI, no "Other people asked", no shopping results etc.
@TheNord06 no, it doesn't have the AI overview at the top. At the very least. The links might still go to AI links, but it should just be a list of sites.
@@NoTengoIdeaGueyright but her Google search didn't have the Gemini thing at the top anyway, so the person you're replying to was pointing out that it still would have been basically all AI content expect the Wikipedia page. Hell, it might have been a greater percentage AI content as it would have reminded the 2 videos that may or may not have been AI and the video that she judged to not be AI. Web only results don't save you from AI, it barely helps at all, unless you are specifically annoyed by Gemini at the top.
@doggfite Ok dawg, I dont know what to tell you, I wasn't promising the one weird trick to remove the entire concept of AI from the planet. It just gives you more of what you want when you Google search, more than it does by default.
Spot-on: It feels like it's just a bunch of business people who see the internet as a money generator. They're like, "Oh, I heard about this cool AI thing, and you know, you can generate blog posts on your website for your company. You can get clicks from that because people search for things, find your website, and then you get money from the ads! Maybe they're going to use your product. We can even make it so that the AI will try to guide users into using your product in this article, but in a subtle way. It looks natural, right? We can even tell the AI to include two typos to make it a bit more believable. But otherwise, give them information they might be looking for about X and generate that article to make it sound like our product is the best one." --- This is exactly what is going on. You can't even imagine. Cheers, An analytics person that works closely with marketing and management.
That "discussion" at the end... words fail me. STEP files were originally developed in the '80s, and became an industry standard in the mid '90s. Calling them a gamechanger like they're a brand new thing that just came out... yeah... I think it's time to move back to user made forums. Dealing with a power tripping admin that had a nervous breakdown because of some inane and petty personal drama is preferable to this slop.
It's full of nonsense. As a FreeCAD user I was cringing at the 'viewer with basic editing features' thing. FreeCAD is what I use daily for 3D modelling and while it's far from perfect (or even stable) it's actually very advanced for a free 'software program'.
This is most likely a NotebookLM podcast file. Entirely LLM generated. I don’t want to link to it, but if you search for it you can find it talked about in the news (Google just released a new version).
Oh yeah, I was about to comment just this. I've seen articles like that written years before generative AI was a thing. It was always so weird to write, like "who the hell wrote that? Who the hell writes like that?". So I would not blame it all on AI, and I actually even suspect that about half of the articles marked as AI may have been written by humans who just don't know a thing about what they write, and just dont care. Or maybe it's some kind of language barrier thing. So I agree that a lot of that could be SEO writing and not even AI. You could do another check to see the dates these were written. However that can also be altered, because for SEO you have to mark your articles as new, otherwise they may not show up on the front page. So many of these articles may have been written years ago, and just getting their timestamp updated.
Agreed, there are far too many mistakes and oddities in this to have been written by AI. AI may hallucinate and make shit up, but it does so confidently and with perfect grammar.
It's a circle, the AI's are trained on SEO slop and then regurgitate the same slop. When they try to train it on actual blogs and forum text you get results like adding glue to pizza to stop the cheese from sliding off :D
AI slop has a lot fewer grammatical errors than traditional generated slop on the web. I think the slop that's the subject of this video is not AI slop.
As a digital artist who loves everything about creativity I can not even express how much I agree on everything you said. The entire situation we are in is so complex I just could not bring my thoughts into words and you nailed it 100%. Thank you for sharing your opinion, please never stop doing this.
I went into web development in 2014 as a digi nomad. The amount of SEO bro's and SEO hype seemed toxic to me. I worried then, that the internet is going to be filled with SEO optimised trash. Now ai can write SEO optimised websites. In that time Google briefly had a manual button in the search results to downrank a result and they removed it shortly after. We need the ability to down vote slop.
That visao article reading really struck something. I'm in my early 30s but I often work with people in their early 20s. Something I've noticed is that these younger people often write exactly the same way as this article is written. They often use the simplified grammar and passive voice of an instruction manual in prose, skip over details where they would be necessary but add (invent) them where they aren't, use technical terms mostly interchangeably (Is it a file? Is ist a file format? Who knows?), don't check their writing for plausability etc. I've always suspected that I'm just coming into my "kids these days" era, but maybe it's a case of "You write what you read". Maybe for these young people, this SEO Slop writing is what they associate with "Useful instructions", because that's what they've been getting served whenever they try to find any kind of information
@ZedaZ80 Yeah that would have been my first guess too, but without going into detail too much, I would have known for certain weather or not they did. Also, to be honest, some.of the writing was just too bad in other ways to be AI ^^'
Or the AI training data contained an inordinate amount of student academic papers, thus creating a bot that writes in that style. It's worth noting the lower cost AI models used for this type of slop are not the same "premium" ChatGpt/Gemini models
Don't ever sell yourself short by just thinking you're in your kids these days phase.. You will always be a wise intelligent being. Don't give in to that stuff. These are real things happening to our society. It makes me so happy to know that people like you notice these things. They are quite glaring really right?
The first time the feeling you are imparting hit me was ~25 years ago. I was coming out of high school and dreaming of making a career as an artist in the performing arts. Looking through general lists of casting calls, I ran across more than one casting call for an "all-girl" or "all-boy" band, which, not my thing, but fine... but the call was for dancers/models, for a band that ALREADY had their album written and recorded. They were hiring band members for music that already existed. The studios were just looking for the faces and names that would appear on the album cover, and dance to the tracks on tour, and be in the posters on the walls of all of the tween girls, for the next 12-18 months. I've spent roughly that amount of time trying to cope with the disillusioned cynicism produced by the realization that when the investors "understand" the market, and how to game the market, that they will do whatever it takes to manufacture whatever consent and/or zeitgeist to meet the ends of attaining influence and maximizing profit in that market, be it music, or ... guided missiles... Tail wagging the dog. Man behind the curtain... Cassandra's curse, as applied to "the invisible hand of the market" is what it is. The corporate commodification of machine learning; selling it as a way of replacing human artists... and human communication... and all of the rest, for the sake of captive audiences, and overblown "viewer" metrics to overcharge advertisers for... I'm not going to begrudge someone for using these tools to generate their own content, if their desire for passive consumption is that basic. I will absolutely take issue with the people who then insist their bland, statistically-middling content be foisted upon everyone else, at market prices, as the "pinnacle" of their creative capabilities. Especially from corporations who already did everything they could to put profit over human wellbeing... though the AI-bubble is tracking along just fine with the dot-com bubble, as well. Don't give up. Keep doing you. Punk was a counterculture response to the commodification of Brit-pop and Rock'n'Roll, until it was, itself commodified. Grunge was a counterculture response to the hair-metal and glam-rock commodification of the '80s. There will be a counter-culture response to this moment, as well... and it will invariably be coopted, like all of the others. But remember that the roots of the cultural shifts are always planted by the thinkers and the dreamers, and once the movement has been coopted and homogenized, it stagnates and withers, no matter how much the shareholders will it to remain stable, and ride the trend into the ground. It was true in music, multiple times. It was true in film in the 2000s and 2010s. We're seeing it in big game studios, today. AI as a means of cost-savings for all of these industries isn't going to prevent that stagnation, nor prevent the thinkers, nor dreamers, of inventing the next countercultural shift. You've got this.
Best comment I've ever read. This is the world, you nailed it. Marketing with powers akin to a cosmic horror, blending human endeavor into a slurry and squeezing the juice out. Stay cool, life grows out of the compost.
dancers / models? are you talking about background / foreground dancers or what? or the band itself? in case of Idols - it is an industry in itself and everyone knows how it works. the same for Bollywood industry.
@JamEngulfer they weren't calls for dance troupes. Dancing isn't my forte, and I wasn't looking for calls for dance auditions. They were essentially "idol" positions in the slew of copycat boyband/girlband post N'Sync / Spice Girls. And that's perhaps too much credit, because in JPop/KPop, depending on the era, you might at least expect an idol to dance and sing at the same time... at least, capturing the performance during dress rehearsal, if not live off the floor. And this isn't the first time in history that it happened. Boney M existed because a German musician wanted to write disco music, but he wasn't taken seriously, because... Germany wasn't a big scene for disco writing... So he hired a bunch of Carribean idols, essentially, and a couple of women who could dance and sing. That's why the dude who sings Rasputin has a German accent, despite nobody in Boney M looking particularly German, based on press photos. The rest of the group was essentially the precursor to Milli Vanilli.
When I ask Bing for image references of something I want to draw it just chucks me a generated image from the keywords I used. I guess all we have to do is wait until AI inbreeds itself to the point where it can't function anymore because idk if you hadn't seen it yet but tech companies are literally saying there isn't enough data for AI datasets to feed on. THE ENTIRE INTERNET isn't enough for that thing to survive. Like you said, it's literally like cancer
It is ironic and also quite telling, that the only use for Generative AI you found is helping you search the web. The same thing they made nonfunctional with their slop. Truly a companys dream, creating a problem and then selling the solution.
I use it somewhat for my work (programming) and it helps for four things in particular: 1) Helping search the web 2) Acting as a glorified search and replace tool. Sometimes I need to change the way a few functions or classes work which leads to a dramatic change in the places they're called. If it's going to take me more than 5 minutes or so to change them all then I will copy all into a code block in a locally run LLM, then correctly change one and ask it to do the rest. Works like a charm and saves a couple of minutes. 3) Due to mental block or whatever sometimes I just cannot think of a good name for a variable/function/class, so in order to not spend forever coming up with a name or creating a Java-style one I explain what it's representing and ask for some suggestions. This usually saves some time. 4) I'm not confident in my ability to write concisely (see: this comment) so it's helpful to chuck documentation I write into it just to check for conciseness and clarity. These are all just using the models to transform language rather than in a generative way since I don't trust their output when asking them to write stuff based solely on description. For me it's just another tool, it works well for what I use it for but I wouldn't use it outside of that.
Google Search became unusable about a decade ago so I switched to Bing and Duck Duck Go. That's been in decline because of SEO spamming. When Bing Chat was first released two years ago, it was the best for search. Citations and good results. It's declined a little as they've added filters and blocked the ability to find some content, but generally I get my best search results that way. Gemini generally fails spectacularly, GIGO probably because of SEO. Perplexity for certain searches is also a very good resource. I don't know that everything shown is necessarily AI generated, but it is definitely SEO pollution.
Google Search became unusable about a decade ago so I switched to Bing and Duck Duck Go. That's been in decline because of SEO spamming. When Bing Chat was first released two years ago, it was the best for search. Citations and good results. It's declined a little as they've added filters and blocked the ability to find some content, but generally I get my best search results that way. Gemini generally fails spectacularly, GIGO probably because of SEO. Perplexity for certain searches is also a very good resource. I don't know that everything shown is necessarily AI generated, but it is definitely SEO pollution. UA-cam comments are awful because most of my comments are hidden.
Thank you. I'm sorry for the crisis of faith you went through / are going through. I'm glad I'm not the only person going through it. I work in academia in maths education, and I get the feeling more and more each day that I can't trust that any given article published after 2021 is entirely written by a person. Any time I attend a seminar that has AI in the title, it's a toss-up whether it's a "ok gang we reeaaally need to rethink assignment briefs for students in this new paradigm of hard-to-kill superplagiarism" or a "I used AI to generate assignment briefs and here's how you can too" (both of which would be titled "The impact of AI on designing assignment briefs"). I think what we can do to have hope is to share these experiences, like you've done, so that we know other people also deeply care. So thank you for sharing this.
It brings into focus some new objectives for education at a meta level -- examining what is even the role of personally-held knowledge, or how to research and reason in an environment riddled with AI-generated content, how to vet sources, look for internal consistency or consistency across sources.
that's what happens when you believe search engines that tell you that you should not link to other websites. People who own a website stopped linking to others. SEs have become centres for search rather than source websites. Then the SEs started spitting AI stuff mostly.
For me internet died when social networks dominated it, before you had to join some forum, where enthusiasts shared very valuable information, it was golden age of internet, information was of a very high quality. Social networks killed all of that, most forums died, information quality was deteriorating fast, because of how social metwirk algorythms worked - social networks are designed to keep you there for long time, not find quality information fast. Starting with cooking communities and getting to hacking and bomb making communities on the extreme end. Generative AI is just kicking a dead "body" of dead internet.
Neal Stephenson hinted that this would happen in "Anathem" “Artificial Inanity systems of enormous sophistication and power were built for exactly the purpose Fraa Osa has mentioned. In no time at all, the praxis leaked to the commercial sector and spread to the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies. Never mind. The point is that there was a sort of Dark Age on the Reticulum that lasted until my Ita forerunners were able to bring matters in hand.”
This is my hypothesis: This is the way the disease (advertisers) have found cracks through people's defences. Instead of ads that people are more likely to overlook altogether, search result pollution is the way to go. Even if you use adblock, you still see their pathetic attempts at advertising. I don't know if they still make money if no ad was loaded in, but they get the traffic even so. One extremely important thing to remember at all times is that this disease (advertising) is more like a degenerative condition that is meant to take years and years to finally crack you. They know one ad isn't going to make your mind associate parts of it with their pathetic brand or product... but they hope that you finally crack after years and years of constant barrage.
The most interesting take I heard a year or two ago (on the TrashFuture podcast) was this: "AI is the anti-printing press". Basically, the printing press facilitated remote human-to-human communication at an unprecedented scale. And AI, at least in its ideal form, removes human to human communication. How do you find real people, with real ideas and information to share, or communicate with those people, when AI is flooding all the communication channels with imitation communication?
People who want to find real people can look for channels like this one and filter for them . A dedicated curated authentic human search could be built.
@@SioxerNikitaExcept the invention of mewsletters didn’t come about until the internet. Books _are_ a form of communication and the printing press made it easier. You’re being obtuse for no reason.
@@walter0bz it will be difficult to generate such a product in the English-speaking world that is not subject to American partisanship. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Humans beget human problems.
@@WeirdBrainGoo If you run several prompts in the same conversation for too long it starts to hallucinate and you get weird sentences like that. Ex: I imagine someone asked GPT to generate a content marketing article about .GLB files with a list of SEO words and after that asked it to check the result and improve the SEO.
@@WeirdBrainGoo when creating black hat SEO sites, one may introduce certain techniques to confuse the Google algorithm such that it doesn't know that this was written by AI. I think we need a new text based format that by law all AI companies must use, to distinguish from "real" text. But again, this poses loads of challenges and implementation problems.
@dertuman Oh yeah, that sounds like a good idea if it's possible to implement. I don't know if we can prove that something was written by AI if people don't use the format though...
One of the MANY downsides of AI is the tsunami of brain rot short form content. So, when a video like this comes along, with no fancy editing, just a person sitting in front of their mic and camera and speaking for an hour on a topic which I care about, holds my attention. I just watched an hour long video where a person speaks on a topic they're passionate about. Thank You for this video and since I'm not as nice as you are, FUCK A.I.
“Generative AI is designed to provide wealth with access to talent, while denying talent access to wealth.” ~ Somebody on the internet with good points
Nah you don't get to pull that when you're literally on a website that eclipses any concerns of electricity usage. AI models only need to use lots of power when they're training models, after that they don't use much at all. If you're going to complain about energy, the solution isn't banning AI, the solution is making energy sources more efficient.
@@entropic-decay Except that's not what's going on here. AI energy cost is small in proportion to all the other things in your everyday life. This is just straight up virtue signaling in the purest sense of the term. If your house is filling up with water because of a hurricane outside, you don't blame the running sink faucet for it.
@@_B_E 1. The „all other things you use in your life” are things like you living, or finding information to know stuff. Or connecting to other humans. 2. What do you want to do? To increase our problems, as so slop can be mass produced and critical thinking deleted?
Reminder that Luddites only wanted to be treated fairly, not hold back progress. Luddite should be a proud term for progress, not a pejorative for regression.
Reminds me of "Digital Minimalism" - probably the only good self-help book out there. In that book there is some stuff on the amish and how they are perceived as backwards because the reject technology. But in reality they have a principle to not use something if it can distance you from your community or life and creates more problem than it solves. It is taken to an extreme and is centered on religion but the author finds some benefits in that
The British government leveraged more troops to put down the British Luddite movement than to fight NAPOLEON. The obscenely wealthy are petrified we are noticing their game plan.
One of the worst parts, I think, is that even if we curated something that was very human, a nice, pristine place where this litter didn't happen, it would likely just be used as a goldmine of non-slop for feeding more AI trash.
Another of the worst parts is that the more work you do to be inclusive of all humans - like putting ALT text on your images and transcribing your videos - the more you'll get stolen from, because that data is vital to AI training.
It seems that one solution is invite-only online communities where the content is behind a login and can't be scraped. Being invite-only, with say a limited number of invites possible per a given time period, would help ensure that nobody who has the intent to scrape the content would ever be able to become a member. I know there are communities like this that exist, for example on Mastodon and elsewhere.
Regarding that last part (the discussion): A coworker of mine fed my latest (end of 2024) paper to the tool making these "podcasts". And after superficial listening to it, I found so many misrepresentations in it. I was thinking (but not seriously considering) to do a video/talk/article deconstructing that generated output and highlighting what parts of the paper it's currently "discussing" and how it's unrepresentative, or puts emphasis on the wrong things. Shall I go forward with it?
That’s really interesting! But as a person that has worked on AI in academics (from a design perspective) pointing out how AI or LLM’s misrepresents information is quite difficult. This misrepresentation is not a general thing and often seems to rely on the specific LLM model. After all these models do not reason and merely utter words based on what words are likely to be used in conjunction with the words you put in. We see a lot of students learning how to do “prompting” so that they can get perfect results back from the model, only to discover that after a tiny OpenAI update, their prompts do not work anymore! It would be interesting to point out how the use of ai promotes these mistakes and how AI models (because they lack reasoning) generally respond unrepresentative results
I don’t know it seems more like people misusing the tool rather than an issue with the tool itself. It’s not meant to do 100% of your workflow. Just a good chunk of it. You still need to edit it.
Your words about the beauty of human creation are so lovely. Thank you for this video! For my own AI slop story: I had to look up how to change the time on my oven and ended up on a page which was probably 1000 words too big. The first step was: “Go to your kitchen!” Its tone also annoyingly peppy 😑
Gosh you are a blessing of a human being. I hear my own experiences and feelings in almost every word. I want to really absorb this video but for a few years now the concept has only filled me with greater and greater dread. Just thankful you understand
I work in education, and the point you made at around 39 minutes - about it all being deceptive- is what bothers me most. Students have always tried to BS their way through reports, and in the past I could quite easily flip through their work and know whether it was garbage or not. Now, however, I have to read everything in full - especially if they have put in some effort to rewrite parts of AI generated stuff- before I can make my BS call. My workload has increased by at least 100% in exam periods because of this, whereas students probably spend less time on education than ever before. As a result we're going back to good old-fashioned on location exams, instead of doing-what i deem to be way more value adding- case reports. Had to get that of my chest, now back to the video.
Just because I am curious: Do you think AI should be used to rewrite your own stuff. Let's say I am writing a paper and I don't know how to structure the content or how to write some sentences. I just have some semi decent phrases, maybe some paragraphs and bullet points. Do you think it is acceptable to use AI to (re)write the sentences or give me the wording for the bullet points? At what point am I using AI to create something rather than use it as a tool to help me be more efficient? Would that be acceptable? I mean, people are using AI to program, so that would be the same principle or not?
To be honest I feel bad for students as much as I feel bad for teachers. Imagine having to spend time studying while very well being sure that your efforts won't help you to get a job because by the time you graduate your skills will already be obsolete. You may as much not bother. I have no idea how young people are supposed to choose their path in life right now.
it's kinda pathetic how teachers act if we aren't going to do their silly chores everyone will just become stupid. Nothing I learned in school ever helped my in RL. I was going to school at a time when teachers still were saying handwriting is super important and they made us waste time on better handwriting long after everyone already just had his style to write. when you said: "that's useless. not even in 10 years from now everyone will write with computers." they would say shit like good handwriting is directly linked to intelligence and if that happens everyone will be just stupid. it's the same shit. you were born in a world where students had to write stupid shit at home and you had to correct it. now they can make AI do write the stupid shit. they will use it. not just in school but also when they finish it. everyone will use it. meanwhile teachers are trying to prepare their students for a world that simply doesn't exist anymore. I don't know anyone who became successful because of his school education. I know a lot of people who became successful despite their school education including me. I was already making more money at age 13 than the teachers I had thanks to the internet. all they did was taking time from me when I could earn more money. I was never bad in math but I kept forgetting everything from the past I didn't need. when I started game development for fun I relearned all math I needed in about a week. when I went to school whole years went by and not a fraction of the knowledge stuck. the school system is broken. teachers are just wasting the most important time of their students.
@@Noqtis Talk to 10 people and 5 will say, like you, nothing they learned in school was relevant to their life and 5 will say that school opened their eyes, changed their life, expanded their possibilities beyond all imagining, and gave them a path out of poverty. Everybody's different. Also, the point of school is not to teach a fixed set of facts but spark curiosity, teach you how to work toward goals and, most importantly, how to "learn how to learn" as the cliche says. Since you're so smart (no sarcasm here), tell me how you would design a system that can do all that and works for a majority of students from a hundred different backgrounds with 50 different flavors of intelligence and a dozen different learning styles and prepares them for 100 different jobs that may or may not exist in the future? I look forward to your comprehensive yet simple answer.
@@jones1618 "Talk to 10 people and 5 will say, like you, nothing they learned in school was relevant to their life and 5 will say that school opened their eyes, changed their life, expanded their possibilities beyond all imagining, and gave them a path out of poverty. " This will never happen. The best way to make students hate something is to force it into the school curriculum. Dude, I wasn't alone at school. I don't know a single one who's eyes were opened by fucking school. you know how much wasted time and half-knowledge you get in school? You know, my problem isn't just it took time and real opportunities away from me. it actively constricted my view of the world. just the classes politics and history are so fucked up in my country (it's a 1. world country), you can not image. it's all unproven system propaganda. and I believed that shit. I actually was buying the fucking newspaper when I came out of school like a braind*** npc thinking I was educating my further after school. luckily I'm very curious so I could break the spell at some point but now I know what school is. even if you can 5 idiots who praise school to heaven. they just don't know what was taken away from them and are ignorant to the possibilities that could be. not even the best student in school on this whole planet is worth anything. he will not end up becoming Einstein or Tesla. More likely he will become a fucking bum. look into highly intelligent people. half of them are living on the fucking streets because they understand this system and can't take it :D meanwhile, the amazonas there was once living a tribe called the Pirahã. Luckily a language expert found them before we corrupted them with TV and western values. and you know what? as a teacher you should know them... they spoke a language that was thought of as impossible my linguists at that time. a language without recursion. you are a teacher so I'm not going to explain you what that means. if you don't know, look it up. their language is quite primitive and they have no concept of numbers. but the "sentences" they have to learn to speak their language is absurd. because their words change by meaning. you don't have a "house" but "house" will be a different word in every context you can form a sentence with this word. this is nuts. their children have to learn something that is my sheer volume of information probably as complex as learning Mandarin but with x10-x50 more signs. and you know how they do this? they don't need a school. not even a primitive "learning group". they just follow their parents and interact with the environment, especially boys. and there are thousands of studies done how boys don't learn shit sitting, but you nuts keep ignoring them telling yourself someone has a good time in school because school. dude, those are the teenager years. they are mostly easygoing and you don't have to think how to pay for your rent and food. obviously some will like those. but not because of school. I learned English in Diablo2, Math in Godot and everything else on the fucking internet. you can go to UA-cam and watch a Harvard lecture on basically anything they have lectures on. you think you lamenting before your students reached that level of knowledge transfer? I don't think so. especially since you are talking to slow and thinking to slow. I need to make you twice as fast, so my brain doesn't have to wait. I can do that with youtube. can you do this in the classroom? I don't think so. step back. you got replaced even before AI came out. now you are done. look up the newest studies. children learn faster by asking AI and reading the explanations than in the classroom listening to a teacher. my kids are going to be home schooled. f that bullshit system that steals the best part of your life!
In portuguese we have this slang called “lero-lero”, which means to say a bunch of words and yet it says nothing. That is exacly what text generator AI does, “lero-lero”.
"file format" is a very known pattern to leech on for such throwaway websites. "gltf glb layout" gives concise results with links to Khronos and Wikipedia.
I had to parse a glb and repack with some additional stuff once in a JS web worker x-x learned so much on that one. The very detailed info definitely all out there even 5 years ago
I usually tack on "specifications" to get good info about the file format, such as "GLB format specification". It usually takes me to a detailed guide on how to parse the file format, and has worked for me when trying to parse PNG, JSON, and other formats. It's usually a spec guide from the group that designed the format, and it's sometimes so detailed that they'll even give examples for what you _won't_ find, like with the JSON spec.
I’m a high school English teacher. It’s BAD out here. I’m trying my best to limit students’ opportunities to use AI in my class (almost entirely in-class paperwork) but I’m also trying to educate them on the reasoning behind my policy… it’s hard when all they’re getting is AI shills on their tiktok when they go home. 😭
Thank you for sharing the step file podcast episode, it's something I'd normally scroll past and not realise the ridiculousness of. Now my face is shrink-wrapped to my skull as a result of wincing so much.
It was so eerie listening to something generated by no one, for no one, starring no one, talking endlessly about nothing. Is this what the abyss sounds like?
You're so incredibly real for this. Idk if it's because our personal interests around the internet overlap here but I find it very rare to find someone else from the technical side who shares the same thoughts about Gen AI. In game development I find people less and less oriented to this perspective and I feel like I'm in an upside down world where no one else can feel the water boiling. It's not a fear of new technology or worrying about job security but a moral and existential issue that erodes the potential of people. Thanks for taking the time to talk about this. Greatly appreciated.
It just promotes incompetence. I always felt "dumb" as a sysadmin but I do get tech, can code, know to run a project, etc. And yet I find, as my knowledge grows, the average does not seem to. Things "can be done"? Tell me HOW. Crickets. What does it do? Buzzwords. Blegh. I genuinely doubt I could teach myself c# or whatever in the modern internet. Back in the day I could just google things. It's become more and more the case I rely on my past experience because the information is so bad. It reminds me of the 90s all over again.
I feel like a crowdfunded solution is becoming necessary. something like sponsorblock, but for top level domains. which is then implemented as an addon that removes/highlights links to likely ai garbage. and you then also have the option to vote on a site as being ai or not (or other categories, for example facebook could be markes as including ai stuff) and trusted websites could also be set up, like wikipedia.
@@tlacmen I already have an addon which lets me block result urls in google. so i am already doing this, me, a human. (feels silly to say i am a human)
Isn't that basically how they train the models? RLHF - AI generates crap, humans decide whether it's AI or not, use that data to further train the AI until it's indistinguishable
@@henrylindeman4499 i don't know how much is actually supervised. And previously everything on the internet wasnt ai generated. Nowadays its becoming garbage in, garbage out. So unsupervised could be detrimental overall, yes.
As a programmer and artist, your video made me cry. You not only explained perfectly the problem, but also its consequences and existencial dread. I just want to say thank you for posting this video! This is the kind of content that I (still) want to consume on the internet!
I'm looking forward to this. I must admit i wasn't expecting to see a video about this on this channel, out of all channels. It was a surprise, but a good one, as I too think generative AI is quite problematic (mostly for how corporations are conducting it) and I feel there isn't enough discussion about it, given its power. Edit: Omg, I barely made it through the "let's figure out the specifics of the GLB file format". It was so painful to watch because it brought back memories of very similar experiences I had not long ago. And this is indeed something new, that's not how things used to be. I really miss the times when you'd find a very useful forum thread or blog post from real people dedicated to a subject. Also, unfortunately this isn't limited to just written content and Google searches anymore. But honestly, I'd go so far as to say that I feel this not exclusively an AI thing. The internet has been year after year becoming less organic and more corporate. It's now a place for products and (potential) consumers, in contrast to being a space that people build themselves. Generative IA is just an additional (super effective) actor on this whole process. I've felt a grief and a disinterest on the internet from years before the boom of genAI and today it doesn't effect me as much. But I appreciate what you're doing because if we're not to have a soulless internet, people have to discuss this problem. Even if genAI is just too good and is here to stay, at least its cons have be in the line of fire. (I wish I could share my thoughts on every single point you made in the video, cuz maaany of them felt so close to some of my concerns... but well, can't do that in a UA-cam comment)
I'm glad! it's scary releasing this, bc there's multiple things working against me ;-; 1. this topic is outside of what I usually talk about 2. it's a lower effort yet edited video which I usually don't do 3. it's about a pretty controversial topic, one where a lot of even my own viewers are likely to disagree with me
@@acegikmo Just watched it. There might be people that disagree, that's inevitable, but the discussion is valid and you present it in an interesting way by being very practical. I think I'm with @jortor2932 on this!
7:18 its not just you being primed to be annoyed by the AI generated BS, I cannot explain why but this also happens to me when I find an article on a subject of my field (optics) written by using AI. I feel.... cheated? like scammed? cause I KNOW I am going to have to skim through the mud to get maybe a little tiny nugget of useful gold.... I hate AI generated articles.
Every of these texts are wordy and weird for a reason, this is the mighty science of SEO, back in the days, when I worked in a company (20 years ago) where we did SEO we followed the same rules just manually. Be wordy, repeat the SEO keywords like shit-ton times. Any fillers in the text which doesn't make any sense (glb to png conversion for eg) is just raising the density of the glb keyword. (again, repeat the keyword shit-ton of times) but the robots don't understand anything about the context. They just tokenize and calculating a value for the webpage. So yes, it's shit for purpose. And that's why you found these garbage things on the first page, our mighty AI tech is wonderful for generating this SEO shit.
You are essentially saying that AI is really good at what it is supposed to do in this context, but that the systems we use for creating content (especially the platforms for media consumption) are not built to reproduce quality?
@@cookie_plant8992 I'm saying, AI is great for generating input for search engine robots, to achieve higher scores. On the other hand, search engines are bad for delivering quality content. For e.g. opening a bad result gives some amount of validation to the search engine, but giving feedback is like 5 minutes of active "work" from the user side. And no one sending feedbacks to the Google about the results quality I guess.
@@cookie_plant8992 They are bulit to increase chance of business exposure. Social media is an illusion for consumers to think they will get any quality content in. They are built with profit in mind. The only way to break from it is to self-host a fediverse application suite.
I feel like so much of the rise of AI created artifacts is based on the standards of business people creating things that seem convincing to other business people. Like you can say "Look, our website has helpful information for our users!" And its just slop, but you have to have a certain level of technical knowledge to know its slop. Its like the props children make when they're playing pretend.
This feels similar to the problem on the web that Google initially solved: finding relevant information. There's money to be made in the solution so there's some incentive to find it. In the meantime, we'll have to curate lists of useful resources on the web and share them by word of mouth.
What you're describing kinda feels like the internet version of the Lorax movie-but instead of a company selling fresh air in a wasteland, it's a company selling bits of the internet that aren't plagued by LLM-generated slop. Hoping that another group comes along to sell us the old internet instead of just keeping the old internet feels wrong.
@keeblebrox - Right but did Google REALLY solve it the original problem of finding the most relevant information? Or did they find a way to simulate doing that well enough to fool most people? According to a few who suspected otherwise and tested their theory Google actually scammed us all. Where it tells you it found millions of search results for example if you actually click on page after page you eventually will reach the end but it wont be after you page through millions of results, it will suddenly stop showing you results at some point loooooong before it gets to that huge number it told you it found and it wont even explain what happened or why it wont show you those thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of results it claimed to have found. And in the process of "curating" results for you do you think you can trust them to be truly objective and to show you all the results you could possibly find relevant? Or is it more likely that at some point their own opinions, biases and beliefs are going to come into play and skew their curation methods, not to mention the fact that it is a company who's bottom line is profit and not actually to go above and beyond the customer's expectations. If there is a way to meet the average customer's expectations without any serious repercussions as far as their bottom line is concerned they are going to choose that way. And there is even the question as to which customer they are really catering to and prioritizing. Obviously its going to be the paying customers. Are you paying for your search results? Who's paying? Advertisers. So the real customers that Google or Alphabet seeks to keep happy is the advertisers who could care less if you get the best possible search results.
5:22 "nobody writes like that", I know it may sound silly, but there's a reason people write articles like that, the Google search engine promotes content that has the keywords you type in, basically repetition of words like "format" or "file" or "file format" or "file extension" make your article more likely to be on the top search websites that appear when you search for that file extension. It's a strategy to have more flow of viewers in your page, and if it has ads means more money. Believe it or not this is intended, and it's written by a human most likely that actually was hired to write articles like that... I get your point though, it kinda feels bad, but that's just how this works...
@@HimikkoStar I don’t think this just “kinda feels bad”. Any person writing that way is writing for the machines, not for people. That is incredibly unfortunate and cross purposes with people trying to find good information :(
Just because this is what SEO wants doesn't mean you can't do it more artfully. There is a balance being struck here between readable language and keyword overloading and keyword overloading is winning. I've working in advertising for many years and the copywriters who could do this well really deserved their paychecks.
I wish there was a way to flag search results as being bad, and to block entire domains from appearing in search results. It’s so hard to find high quality written documentation online these days. Everything is a video or is garbage text. You know a site is good when it has html styling straight from the early 2000s
You can do actually do this* * but you have to pay for monthly subscription for search engine called Kagi I use it and have now blocked all the generated websites from this video
It's a paid service, but Kagi search does this really well (letting you block or prioritise certain domains) as well as a bunch of other processes and filters that make most search results actually useful again. And they use the money to also buy search results from e.g. Google, so you don't lose the actually good results and better processing of context that Google provides in comparison to other alt searches.
This sounds like an ad, but Kagi has mostly fixed web search rot for me, and I have accepted that you just have to pay money for a search engine to actually be helpful these days.
Let us not overlook the sheer comedy of describing an ISO data format specified in 1994 as a "Total Game Changer(tm) for anyone working with 3d designs" 1:12:25 . It almost makes me want to start a podcast where I talk nonsense about "Big Deal" file formats like .BMP and .AIFF for 40 minutes. Working Title: "Is this a virus?"
I wholeheartedly appreciate you talking about everything in this video. I didn't even realise how much of a drain on my hope and wellbeing AI has been, and how much I've had to avoid discussions of it. I studied computer science in order to make a living from solving human problems and creating things that others would appreciate. Now I'm forced to watch these two things get eaten away by a fire that so many people seem to be roasting marshmallows over, instead of putting it out. Between this, and being chewed up and spat out by corporate employers time and time again, it's been a difficult journey trying to find myself again. But I believe, as you do, that we will persevere; that as long as we have the desire to create, we will find a way. Those among us who care about genuine expression and meaningful connections will be guiding lights for generations to come.
Ed Zitron’s show “Better Offline” is a great resource to spread the word. Lots of variety, and absolutely scathing of the giants wasting our precious time with this garbage.
When I was a kid I spent hours on the internet learning random things, clicking random links, and exploring. I have my job now because of the things I learned then. What do I say to the curious kids I meet today? Where can they go to learn?
I'm a professional writer. For the last year, the only jobs I've been able to find were agencies that explicitly instructed me to generate content through Chat GPT and then humanize it... As much as I can considering the ridiculously low pay and amounts of articles they are asking me to produce. The dead internet theory is true.
Also, the photography argument drives me up a wall because I used to be a professional photographer and photography absolutely is an art form. I feel like AI bros who regurgitate this point think that photography is simple - you just point the camera and click the button, right? But...like...that's totally wrong. Like I have won photography awards, and I did it by applying a lot of the same principles other visual artists use - image composition, lighting, color. I wasn't drawing it by hand, and the candid street photography I was doing was different from studio photography, but I was setting up a shot and sometimes standing in the same place for a long time, waiting for someone to come along at the right time to get the exact angle I wanted. You still need an artistic eye to do good work as a photographer. And if you're using generative AI, you just...don't. Using an AI image generator requires no knowledge of art whatsoever. It's an insult to photographers to compare our work to AI.
But AI also doesn't understand the principles of art and their purpose. Its a sieve filtering pixels into the generalized color and placement to replicate a collection of images from other people who do understand those principles with no capacity of understanding on its own. And because of that it will never be capable of the kind of creative innovation and expression humans naturally do.
at the very least it's quite reassuring to know that there is a sizeable amount of people sharing this dread it's possibly the strongest drive for me to push more of my stuff out there, and keep creating and telling my stories, and hopefully find a way to stay connected to others who do the same thing I bet it won't drive away the noise, possibly even reinforce and feed it, but I don't want to let this technology drive me out just like that
As a fellow human (beep boop), I think this sums up my approach too. I'm not sure if the mainstream will notice that the quality of things is taking a nosedive and seek out real creators, but can't do a thing about it either way.
Something very annoying to me is searching technical problems and getting AI summaries/ responses and within two seconds finding obvious mistakes or incorrect information in the AI response. I would rather see crappy gif ads than a single sentence of an AI "guess" about very specific technical issues.
The trouble, right now, is that we have AIs that are getting trained on large chunks of the internet - but then they can create less intelligent recreations of the data they are being trained on. But then we have this feedback mechanism where huge parts of the internet will become increasingly AI generated, and this will then be used to train newer AI models - so we have a scenario where we will spin off towards an internet that is increasingly dissociated from “real” data, with no way of verifying or finding the original data. I work in AI and I think about these problems a lot. Really hope that I - or anyone - can help come up with a solution before it’s too late.
I am an ML engineer (I don't like the term AI), and I recently, finally got to work on something other than "AI", and damn I hate AI slop, would never create such crap myself. We have been entering a period where we see a lot of chaotic approaches to try to earn money on this new technology. It is chaotic, it is brutal, it is impressive, it is scary, it is disheartening, it is ... a lot of emotions. What I am most scared about is how brutal this transition period will be, I'm not necessarily too scared about the end result, though that does also cause some level of fright. Zooming out a little. This "transition" will take a looooong time. AI is highly over-hyped, and that is a bubble that will either burst (as it has done 2-3 times previously), or we will see a slow down and investment drying up. Just like AAA game studios are facing a crisis today, so will the funding for AI slop dry up, leaving some of the best uses for us to work with. In the long term, I think we are swinging towards a Wall-E society, but I do think the realization, that being creative is fun, that people want to communicate with people, will happen eventually. AI is not as impressive as most make it sound, and the increments in performance that they (openai, google, etc.) need, are exponential, and their efficiency optimizations are lacking way behind. They are trading money/energy for better results, by doing the same thing many times over as seen in the new o3 model, and it is not sustainable, it will slow down significantly. I do a lot of programming, and the current best LLMs are orders of magnitudes away from solving the problems I solve, so that does not scare my. All the showcases are always, start a project for a calculator, or write snake, or generate a beautiful image of a river as the sun rises in the horizon. What I needs is "show me how to share memory allocation between zig and python, having zig control running the main function. I want to share allocated memory between zig arrays and python numpy arrays" and an artist using a generative model will have to ask something like "take this specific image of my character model, and place it standing behind a stool looking at this other character models hand, they look surprised, with a hint of sadness. In the background is X, lighting is like Y, flooring is like Z, etc, etc, etc"... They cannot do it, not even close, and they will not be able to for a looooong looong while. So I think we can chill for quite a while. The AI slop we see will undergo a continued, but probably short, period of hype, with "impressive" results, but then it will fade, because everyone will know it is only the 80% of what was needed, the last 20% being impossible to obtain without a real artist in the back. Cheer up Freya
A couple of rebuttals: AI destroying search engines: this is a capitalism problem, and it started before AI with 80% of googles search results being sponsored links in some way. AI has accelerated their destruction because ChatGPT in many cases is a better drop in replacement for subpar sponsored search results. The search engines are killing themself, and someone is bound to try to solve this problem, possibly with a new search system indexing the internet differently, but it is not invented yet. AI may create a virus that will kill humanity: It is technically possible that this will happen. I hope for a small event of this kind, which will show as a warning to the world how dangerous this is, but again, you cannot hallucinate a virus, so this has to come from something like Alphafold, which is not generative AI slop, and which is being used more carefully. I don't think this is an AI problem, but a problem of technology improving to a point where it becomes dangerous. Irrespective of AI, we may be moving towards one of the big filters hypothesis in cosmology, and that really scares me. AI may be accelerating it, but it was bound to happen anyways.
@@NLPprompter The AI terms is a hype term, but I otherwise don't mind its definition. I work in Machine Learning (ML) and other related fields, and not in AI, but if I want to get a job, I better call it AI, even if what they ask for is ML or Data Engineering or Image Analysis/Porcessing or, ..., and that is my issue... I was just referring to myself :)
Custom fitted and made shoes still exist and are valued. Mass produced shoes are very common. They are so common people could be excused in thinking that custom made shoes are not still a thing. Mass produced & standardized shoes provide the majority of what was needed. They also made it much more difficult for those that need something not provided by that standardization. I think it is entirely possible that AI slop is here to stay, that it will be “good enough” for the cost paid to create it, people will grumble about their options, the market for fully trained experts will shrink, and the training pipeline for experts will have a large chasm between professionals and those trying to get started.
Beautifully sums up my thoughts, and despite the subject matter, a beautiful video in general. So many people either just accept it without thoughts, or just go "Ai is a threat like terminator! Ai is going to hunt us down if we dont prepare!" while just ignoring all the obvious problems its already causing. I think it's going to get worse. I don't see a way the problem is going to be solved without it getting worse. But I also don't see a world where the fundamental human desire to create and experience art and stories is going to go away. This is really bad, but there's always been something really bad.
It’s rather ironic that we were so consistently told not to use Wikipedia as a source in school, while today it is one of the few places you are mostly guaranteed to find information written by real people who care about what they say. Is it always accurate? Of course not! But at least I know someone actually cared while writing.
I actually found a very easy solution to AI slop: Do not search for things in English. This is almost exclusively an English problem, because it's the most lucrative language to do this in. I have searched more in my native language this year than I have in the last decade.
That's great advice, thank you. I've been using English more regularly for digital things but I should try doing research in French instead to see how it goes. On y va !
This comment probably won't make sense to anyone, but even let alone searching for things, recently I've been feeling like I can't _think_ things through properly in English anymore (my native language), and have to retreat to thinking in my very unfluent heritage language (Chinese) to think things through properly. I had no idea why this might have been the case. But, the idea that the quality of English material online is degrading, and by extension decreasing the quality of my own thinking in this language (since I conume so much online media in English only) is beginning to make sense to me.
It's really funny to me that this actually works now, since for the longest time I avoided searching technical topics in my native language due to the English results just being so much more recent and concise. Now it's almost flipped, since the English-speaking world had the misfortune of becoming prime real estate for AI slop ad revenue. Like, the Polish articles are still more out of date, but they're more useful 90% of the time.
this is a good idea but it looks like these websites are just using computer translation to publish the same thing in different languages - in the example from the video, searching in french still gives pixcap, visao and so on, just in french
Such an awesome video. I feel exactly the same. I'm a developer and keep seeing the tech bros shouting "if you ain't using AI to do bla bla, you ain't gonna make it", "adapt or get left behind" and I just can't understand how people are excited about it. How can people be excited that so many people will loose their livelihood? Its so crazy to me. I've been depressed, and still am, I see no point in trying to improve my craft cuz "AI I can do it in a second". I also resonate with your point about religion. My parents are religious and whenever I discuss it with them, they seem to be somewhat at peace, they say "Whatever the creator wrote, will happen, no point in overthinking and it'll happen to all of us, we'll be in this together". I don't know where I'm going with this, but, yeah, I wish I had this hope too, cuz for me I _know_ that big corps will be the only survivors, and these tech bros saying "AI or YAGMI" will survive for a bit longer, but, ultimately they'll see how cutthroat everything will be and NO ONE will make it (expect ppl at the top). Idk what to say, I honestly want this to be over.
You do a great job talking about the main thing that makes me hopeless: AI is amazing at creating low effort garbage, and low effort garbage is what the people dumping money into it actually want. The worst thing about AI is actually the very thing people with the money and power to stop it have been striving for, and I don't see anything that can work against that.
AI really shows how big the flaws with capitalism are, and I don't see this changing without a massive overhaul to the entire economic system. Capitalism as it stands rewards cheap and rapid production that gets consumed quickly, and AI is simply the best tool for the job at that. It's just that the job in question is a massive perversion of the concept of human creation.
Companies dumping money into making products that no one wants is a self-solving problem. There would be a real danger if people actually liked AI slop, but beyond an initial reaction of "it's cool a computer can do that", actual humans looking for actual products don't seem thrilled. So I predict AI will consume "corporate art": ads and product box art and the like, things we all try to ignore anyway. Perhaps it will challenge human-made slop in other areas (like low-effort "react" content) as well. Not a big loss. I think the real harm will come where we're forced to use already-low-quality services (like tech support call centers) which will inevitably keep getting worse thanks to AI. Areas where you haven no choice as a consumer are doomed to get even worse and more useless.
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Curiously enough, if you ask chatgpt how to convert .dll to .midi, it tells you the question doesn't make sense. All the generated slop is entirely on humans explicitly asking chatbots to make search engine optimized garbage.
@xviii5780 as much as i hate chatgpt, it's smarter than the AI slop we're reading online these days. it's like these seo companies are using some chatgpt wrapper made by some pointless third party, that uses an outdated limited gpt model
I think that this problem with bloating of search results is there for longer than chatgpt, maybe from mid-2010s it started growing progressively worse, especially if you don't know what you're looking for (like file formats, hehe). Some sites were full of SEO content, some were just copied posts from stackoverflow or documentation. But it surely was not as bad as it is now. All of a sudden I have to acknowledge that UA-cam videos are becoming a better alternative to all this mess, even though text posts are supposed to be easier to make for humans, more time-saving. Bloated with ads too, but here you can still feel people being passionate. (Comments are mostly dead when it comes to viral and political content though). Thanks Freya for sharing this, it's really nice to feel that you are not alone in this thoughts.
Yes, I’m actually convinced the first page is entirely written by basic web scrapers and outsourced humans to funnel people into their platform. Look at how every header is a common search query, and everything has steps even if not really necessary. This is all SEO optimization, which I ironically haven’t seen ai do. Also ai doesn’t really write with gramatical errors. The problem isn’t ai itself, it’s how easy to game SEO is.
@@hartvenus wow, whitehat SEO is not easy and never was. Do you think other 9 mil results for that query didn't want to be in top1? "Headers with queries" are only the surface that you see
Yeah seriously, web results have been filled with slop for over half a decade at this point. Thankfully now I have LLMs to sift through that slop for me ;)
We predicted this Ai nonsense a couple of decades ago. Especially problematic is false Ai generated copyright claims against content that was generated by real humans.
I wrote my thesis related to the 3d view and finished it last week. And the most challenging thing when sourcins was that its ridicilously hard to find sources written by people. When i needed to source atlassing i spent way too much time looking for an article that wasnt ai slop. İts good that you put attention to it
FAQ/clarification thread:
Q: Aren't some of these more likely content mill/cheap labor used to write corporate slop, rather than AI?
A: Some might very well be, but, 1. the articles are polluting just as much regardless, and 2. AI will exponentially grow and encourage this kind of slop regardless, and 3. Corporate humans coercing other cheap labor humans into writing slop is arguably even worse than just using gpt directly. maybe it's just me but I don't exactly find solace in the idea of using pseudo-slave-labor to write AI-grade digital pollution. I should've probably done more research on this, but also, this was recorded in an improvised 4h ramble the day after, and I've been explicitly trying to be less perfectionist, because it leads to me never releasing anything. the downside is of course potential mistakes like this, where I should've read up on something beforehand. But I felt like I had to act quickly while I was still in it, mentally, otherwise this would be another video on the pile that never made it out. It doesn't of course change my main points, even if literally all of them were content mill stuff, but, in the end, I guess in that case I accidentally showcased a real instance of how chemotherapy accidentally targets healthy cells too
Q: Is the description of the video AI generated?
A: no lol but I'm gonna take that as a compliment in this one rare instance!
Q: Is the thumbnail AI generated?
A: I stole the green tentacles from an already generated image from stable diffusion's website, otherwise no. I figured this is the one instance I'm gonna use AI imagery because it's literally supposed to represent AI! The rest I cobbled together in photoshop as usual, using some screenshots of search bars etc.
Q: How many cats do you have?
A: Three! Salad is the white fluffball napping throughout the entire footage. Thor is the tuxedo cat walking across my desk near the end of the video. Finally, Toast is the guy who unplugged my monitor in the added footage! Also toast and salad are brothers. I figured this would be important information
It'll only gets worse as these garbage AI's are trained on corporate slop and other garbage AI search results. The AI slop will only get worse and worse as the whole 'Garbage in, garbage out' rule takes hold as more and more internet content is AI generated in the first place.
Salad, Toast and Thor are cute names for kitties.
Thanks for clarifying. I've worked in content-writing for businesses for a long time, and the quality issues you've identified predate AI by a long shot. Sadly, most people simply don't know how to write. In fact, as bad as AI is at communicating, it generally won't make the kinds of grammatical and structural errors that you've spotted.
Indeed truly important information 🤣 love to the kitties!!! 🥰
perhaps you should have started your search from Wikipedia. Life is an antenna directed to the sun. If you struggle to find meaning is life, disconnect, go to a park, look at ducks in the pond. repeat for a week, then see if you are missing what you have experienced over the previous week there. The sun and the sunny weather gives meaning to life. Once you reach certain age, the only thing you wait for is another sunny day. Not sure of that? Write it down and come back to it in 10 or 15 years. That will the most important thing you will always look forward to then ;). The network can take your youth from you, but your nature will prevail, you will go back to where you belong. The sun is life, it is religion to all of us. Do not attach your life hopes to anything technical or human made, unless it is your physical creation. Tech will always will get developed faster than you can comprehend, you will get automated out of your profession sooner or later. Focus of the physical world, and place the network can't reach. The more secluded and disconnected place the better for maintaining hope and keeping depression at bay. Forget about tech, it is waste of time. Focus on growing food, painting or walks in the park, these are things nobody can take from you, and the added benefit is, you can disconnect from all the bs corpos try to stuff down our eyes and ears.
Maybe all the Sci-Fi stories that predicted a post apocalyptic time when we will be reduced to having to go to old fashion libraries and get real books out in order to get any real information were not too far off in their prediction for the future.
If no one was bothered to write it, I don't want to be bothered to read it.
let the machines read it. content made by noone for noone.
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None of them even mention the most important information why would they do that they want you to buy their product not goto were you need to goto don't worry about the file format try our new viewer and purchase our product hairpins.
if i want AI generated text, i would rather generate that myself
As a graphic designer AI art has been unbearable lately, i've been using a chrome extension called 'Pre-AI Search' that just filters google to pre-2023 results and finally can get actual human-made reference again. not sure what that says about future of the internet
Read her description lmao
My grandmother died last year. I wrote a poem to be included in the funeral program that was given to all the attendees. After the service, someone came up to me and complimented me on the poem, then immediately followed up by asking if I wrote it myself or used AI. I'm still struggling to find a way to articulate how that interaction made me feel. It's like everyone signed a contract to forfeit our humanity and I somehow missed the memo.
that's... really fugked up
i can relate in a way about that; sorry about your loss as well. I got into writing, felt a fire in me a few years ago just after coming out of lockdown, and the verbosity, articulation and intersection of chatGPT made quite a few of my friends ask if the writing was AI, or "how much of it was AI generated". It was gutting. Like the effort was void; no one ever will appreciate the time of effort that goes into thinking, or articulating, or editing any more. Especially now we have infinite babble at all times.
The more gutting thing about crapGPT getting adopted in use; was people using it as a shield for their own ignorance or as an attempt to collaborate in a business. Nah mate it's discord, I don't want you to copy and paste 30 paragraphs of what I've just explained to you.
I don't think they were doubting you, I think they were complimenting you and you can proudly say you wrote it yourself.
We all lost now...
@@DranKofThat's actually doubly concerning if is the case, because then the ones asking the OP would not have expected the OP to write something up to AI quality (in their eyes). Personally, I don't think I'll ever be able to consider being compared to AI as a compliment.
Also reminds me of how some trained voiceover professionals genuinely get mistaken for AI voice simply due to them just doing what they have been doing for years.
The scale of this terrifies me. Imagine how much energy, land, water, resources, money we’re burning into this dead internet.
It's happening and it's actually horrific. There's going to be a collapse and I wouldn't doubt it's in my lifetime
It should be called ESRM (Energy-Sucking Redundancy Machine) rather than Ai or AGi.
Huh????? 😂😂😂
@@coldblooded568in case you were unaware, AI is not something that is turned on and off, they’re sat on servers and constantly improving.
“Improvement” ends up with more processing power used, which then exponentially increase’s electricity usage.
Already large AI companies are starting to struggle with how much power is required, as it just keeps on doubling and doubling, some companies requiring more power than *some countries* to run these AIs.
And it will only get worse, the “promise” that all the problems with AI will get “fixed over time” requires MORE POWER. *infinitely*, AI won’t just be “solved”, it has to constantly improve, it will continuously double and double till… well, you can guess.
not **us**, rather our rulers, who unfortunately know more than us and may not have our best interest in mind
As an undergraduate computer science student, I am frustrated by the fact that my professors are all researching AI, and because I need one of them to supervise my bachelor's thesis, I am also forced to research AI... like, since when did computer science become equivalent to AI research?
It is quite unfortunate because that is what gets funding and attention. Which is why many professors choose to go for it
I hate it also. I love Computer Vision. My undergrad thesis is a combo of CV+NLP. I hated the NLP part tho, I wanted to go pure CV but the profs said I should go with the combo. This was before all the craze about AI (which is just synonymous to big LLM now).
It sucks that they encourage college students to use a place full of errors and misinformation ☹️
AI has always been the endgame of computer science. Clearly you haven't read enough.
@@bethrains3105 Computer Science has many subfields. Artificial Intelligence is a subfield (of Data Science or Computer Science, depending on the university). Claiming that "AI is the endgame of CS" is like saying "Nuclear Fusion is the endgame of Physics", which are false.
In 2005 you extracted value from the Internet. In 2025, the Internet extracts value from you.
Google has been extracting value from us since god knows when. Using google services you’re literally the product - nothing comes for free.
s/2005/1995/
That's because the internet back then survived on VC money, now that it's gone, they want a ROI. It was always going to degenerate into this. The only solution is a non-commercial internet.
The internet always extracted value from you. Any website that you extracted value from in 2005, showed you ads, etc., to extract value from you.
If something is free, you are the product.
@@deliriumsd142nah you had small groups hosting their own phpbb forums for fun and stuff like that, money often came from the pockets of volunteers
The amount of times I've had to add "reddit" or "before:2022" in my searches to get to actual humans has been absurd
Unfortunately reddit requires knowing who you are to view it anymore because they want that higher API revenue... *from these very same AI assholes*
why 2020 ? isn't generated content appeared in 2022 ?
You can pretty safely bump that up to 2022. Imagine how much worse the pandemic would have been if we also had to contend with AI misinformation at the start of it…
@@xenontesla122we did, that was without AI.
@@fulcanelly pandemic and ai shit might've fried my brain irreparably and time has lost all meaning to me, I forgot ai boom started a bit later
These webpages read like my most mediocre undergrad trying to sound smart and fill a page quota.
"This is a up and coming file format that more people use every year" is how I tried to justify the relevance of my research papers in the introduction at university
because it is (and always was) like that on those types of e-platforms websites. All that content exists only to get users to buy their platform subscription
That's both where AI got it's data, AND the resulting material used by the next generation of lazy students. we've come full circle on bullshitting in papers.
It's using training data to come up with, what is in many respects, the most average language possible. Mediocrity is in essence a goal.
Exactly
I'm a teacher. They're trying to push generative AI "tools" for educators. We had a whole fucking professional development seminar about using these slop machines at my last school. I noped the fuck out of there as soon as I could. How can we as educators admonish our students for using AI to cheat when their teachers are using it to generate the assignments? It disgusts me. Like a true, deep moral revulsion.
Right there with you. My job went from analog and enjoyable to loaded with tech, screens, BYOD, and now students passing AI generated papers off as their own original work. We have "Tunitin" but the students have "AI writing humanizers" so honestly, I am, as the kids say, "cooked".
Yeah, my school board is already implementing AI marking tools. I cannot tell you how much spiritual despair this gives me
@cr6458 "spiritual" is the correct term here. AI is an abomination to God, and an offense to the human gifts of speech, cognition, and creativity.
My English classes are no longer fun from the moment teacher started to generate assignments using chatgtp
Generative AI is honestly, the ultimate proof that being more "productive" is not always a good thing.
Productivity is worthless if all you're producing is mindless slop.
Growth for growth’s sake is what cancer does.
Thank you for putting it into words. I think I needed to hear this, not in the context of AI (I despise it plenty already), but rather of chasing "productive" output while disregarding my own creative drive and desires.
I wish tech companies understood that… just let me produce quality work, please. The slop is getting so bad now it’s starting to actually impacts companies revenues.
My art teacher once called productivity the result of dividing quality by time. I wish other people viewed it the same. To be truly productive, you still need to produce quality, not just quickly make garbage.
We live in times when people still don't understand that more is not always better than less.
My boss started using AI generated meeting notes and I have gone from "GenAI is a useful tool being overhyped." to "this is borderline useless tech." As you describe, the notes are *so* wordy and convey so little information. We have a 30 minute meeting and get 2 to 3 pages of notes that are only about 90% accurate.
My job is *much* worse when I got to ask someone what happened in a short meeting I could not attend and I get told to check this shit. It reads like an 8th grader trying desperately to make their book report page limit.
Or maybe get your boss to use a model that is actually trained to be more efficient at note taking. In Google's AI studio, you can literally tell it "Make these meeting notes as to-the-point as possible for later reference" and it will do it.
Decades of computer science just to recreate freshman essays that paraphrase information and pad out the word count with useless badly conveyed misinformation.
@_B_E ya the way we use the models is important; the default priming of the AI is rather shoddy and needs refined toward your particular goal. These algorithms model associations observed in its training data. It must have seen specific examples of your request or topic. Otherwise it's guessing and hallucinates more often. Another important factor is the way we talk with the AI: even seemingly spurious information can tune the generated output
Alternatively to using more AI, imagine if someone who attended the meeting and actually knows what needs to be taken note of had written down some bullet points, sentences, and/or quotes if precise wording is necessary.
Cause that sounds a lot easier and more consistent than trying to reorganise an entire company around whatever hot new AI innovation is "taking the world by storm".
OpenAI is billions of dollars in the hole and still has to employ humans to moderate their bots. It's not worth it y'all, just drop it, it's getting sad.
@ Or just spend the 60 fucking seconds to type "Please make these notes into bullet points". Good fucking god you people.
Thank you for making this video.
As an artist, and someone who digs art in general, the AI bullshit has been rough.
I can't shut it out, people around me are talking about it, constantly reminding me how the potential loss of something so vital to me "isn't even the worst that can happen" or "isn't so bad" (a friend basically wants to start an AI worshipping cult yay). Hell, my familly who considers themselves anti AI bought AI generated christmas decorations !
There also the case of a guy pushing very freaking hard his adds for AI tools training. On facebook groups meant to find jobs in the animation and videogame industry. He even had the galls to quote "I have a dream" in one of his adds.
I can't shut it out because it's wormed its way everywhere around me. There's a sense of hopelessness, of being completely cornered, and even people who are in the damn art buisness are looking forward to that !
I've had to hear someone pitch his "dream game made entirely in AI, so that a game could finally have a soul" ! I can't. Games already have souls damnit (at least when the industry doesn't sand it off)
I'm not even a big artist, hell I'm not an average artist. I'm a complete nobody, and now even if I succed, the most I can look forward to is having my voice taken from me and my art made into the most dead-inside version of itself so someone else can get the credit.
It's an artist's existential nightmare in two damn letters.
So yeah, thanks for making this video. Because maybe for the first time since this started I feel like I'm not alone in this.
Because knowing this is what I hang on to when I feel like deleting my accounts and art off of the internet, and giving up on sharing it.
Because that's what art is about. Knowing you're not alone.
You're not alone. Timnit Gebru, Emily Bender, and DAIR are right there with you.
You are not alone at all. I have seen so many creatives express their grief about AI. Not just visual artists, but writers, musicians, photographers and photo editors, basically all creative fields are being replaced by AI. And it's just so bland and soulless and seriously annoying. I love art. I love seeing how people express themselves, to know that thoughts went into every brushstroke and piece of melody and choice of word and how effects are applied. AI creates completely mediocre art that doesn't have any thought or emotion behind it. It's advertiser friendly is all that it is. I despise it.
You're not alone. Ever since the entire AI craze has started my market has completely dried up, I went form having 20 commissions a year to 0 ever since. I've had to completely abandon doing art full time since It stopped earning me money. Now I'm stuck with a university degree and no job. I've been searching for one for the last 5 months. No response. At least my manga is slowly getting some traction.
Maybe it's time for some introspection? People are constantly overestimating their ability, and if you create your art as a means of expression then why would you be bothered by AI? You can just keep creating your art for your own personal satisfaction, yes? But if you're creating it for others then maybe others just don't think it's so great. Just trying to illustrate the problems might lie with your ambitions more than your self expression.
@@RichardStanton-c3j I think you really misunderstand a thing about art : a very important part of it is to communicate something to others.
There's a big part that's for fun and for you, sure, but a veeery big part of the work is there for a project to be accessible to others. Kinda feels like the point of art, to communicate a feeling, a reflexion, a fever dream maybe ?
Making art for others isn't "not valuing oneself" it's believing your vision deserves to exists in some form. And to be communicated.
In a way you're right, I could stop making anything that isn't for myself. Doing small doodles and prototypes, no need to finish anything since I wouldn't show it anyway right ? The vision's in my head on repeat so I don't need to make it into something real, yeah ?
But isn't that so damn sad ? To just give up on the world ? What you're suggesting isn't to start valuing my art, it's to decide no one will ever want it, at all. I can't think of any way to devaluate it more.
And what of the art I look at ? I want to see something and know a person made that, regardless of my own situation. That's why AI makes me so sad too : it's not just a "me" problem. It's everywhere. I can't look forward to a world where every serie, game, comic, etc is made by that damn algorithm.
Also you can have any vision you like, if AI puts you out of your job, it's going to do so regardless : /
It's just a neverending "you thought you didn't care, but it's going to affect you one way of another".
I am old enough to remember the excitement of the early internet. The ability to share knowledge with anyone in the world, how that would revolutionise everything. I invested so much of my young adulthood into. But over the past few years, I've becoming increasingly disillusioned. The digital world was so full of hate, grift, and misinformation, my joy was being sucked out. And now generative AI has come along... I just can't anyone more. I hate it. I hate the internet, I stopped going on social media, stopped making art, I don't care about memes anymore or video games. I despise it, it makes me so miserable to be in contact with.
I've taken up gardening, loads of physical hobbies like climbing and rollerskating, I cook more often. I feel like I am back in the 90s again, before the internet. I can't tell if I am just old, and missing out on the next industrial revolution, or if Gen AI is as loathable as I feel it is. I hate it. I won't buy anything or support anyone who uses this stuff. It's death to the soul.
I think you’re just ahead of your community. A lot of people old enough to remember that lifestyle are returning, and even those younger are seeking answers. Similarly, I think about leaving social media and just haven’t done it yet. Recent events have accelerated my thinking.
You are ahead of the curve 100%.
I mostly spend my life on Twitch Discord or YT these days talking to actual humans.
I'm doing same as you. I do still check on messages, cuz living abroad, but besides that - gardening, renovations, and just good old chilling in the sun with cats - I can't deal with the noise everywhere
It certainly has something to do with getting older. I'm a tech guy, grew up alongside the computing industry (C64 is my start into computing). I've gotten off social media 8 years ago. Random searches of the internet have become fruitless, you have to use it more like a library, where you have good sources bookmarked.
I think this all started before AI, but AI will make it that much worse. It may have started with the "free" or 99 cent apps. Most websites and apps are now designed to keep you engaged as long as possible, instead of maximizing your efficiency to get things done efficiently. Maybe the internet is just going through a life cycle, just like cable TV and other technologies. But AI obviously has much larger reprocussion than just the internet.
Sad part is that you can't function in society anymore without taking part in all this...
I’m support those same sentiments as an old gen z. Rejecting AI is going to be vital to preserve our humanity, in my opinion.
Google got so bad this woman considered religion.
What, in the name of god, does this even mean? 🙈🙉🙊
do you not know who this is or...
@@laden6675a graphics programmer?
are you OK?
I think she's fine@@aventurileluipetre
I'm guessing this will be one of those comment sections that will quickly turn toxic so I'm just enjoying my time here while it's nice and calm. hope you're doing well, whoever is reading this
What cancer isn't parasitic?
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The fact that the AI’s ability to imitate and deceive humans is a metric for success is insane, and in my opinion what makes it so cancerous.
When you actively try to replace human creativity and storytelling with AI, you suck the soul out of everything it touches
Fr, there should be a law that if AI is used you have to label it as such
In trying to elevate the models to humanity, they will reduce humans to models.
the main issue with AI is that it breaks all Asimov's laws of artificial intelligence, one by one, in your face.
Charles Manson wrote songs, Hitler painted, what is the real value of these 'souls' you think are so important?
Welcome to Industrialization part two. You will lose the same way as those who came before you.
The ensh*tification of the internet will get deeper as AI influencers start flooding UA-cam reading AI-generated scripts
don't worry, we won't ever need to watch their videos - we can get AI to watch and summarize what the content was for us! yaaaaaaay!
6:43, makes me murderous whenever I realize an "article" is written by "company that JUST SO HAPPENED to sell you their solution"
This is actually incredibly common, even before AI became an issue
it's called content marketing
@@jaredteaches894 I know about SEO slop, it was a pain back then and now it's even more of a pain
Yeah! This is not strictly an AI problem but its made it harder to detect as you're browsing.
I know **exactly** what you mean. Normally im as peaceful and tolerant as an Air bender but seeing crap like that... And not just seeing it but having to go OUT OF MY WAY to avoid seeing it, WITH LIMITED SUCCESS...
it makes me CRAVE VIOLENCE
What I find frightening about the way algorithms work today is that when you get videos and news tailored to your interests, you start to think that important issues like the sketchy circumstances under which AI is being developed and deployed are already being debated and in the public consciousness, when in fact most people are neither informed nor concerned about how these technologies will affect their lives.
News echo chambers fueled by engagement maximizing algorithms has already been an issue for a while yep
@sage5296 what irritates me is that there are still a ton of studies that say echo chambers and information bubbles are not that big a deal.
The internet is a part of reality. How do you know that people are not all in your "bubble"? Probably due to family, friends and coworkers. Where do you draw the lines for your bubble?
I think its kinda nice that not everyone is forced into the exact same perspective/bubble. Being tolerant/mindful of other bubbles is kind of separate from that, right?
@cookie_plant8992 i didn't say that the internet is seperate from reality. It's just uniquely structured. And the curation of media today is mainly controlled by big cooperations through the aid of complex algorithms users usually don't fully understand. That is, in my opinion, very different from the way we control the information we're confronted with and the people we surround ourselves with in real life. If that makes sense
No, youtube videos are not tailored by my interest, but what AI thinks is the most engaging to me. I have some youtubers which publish irregulary, and youtube never notifies about rare content. It feeds me by short videos, girls in bikini in thumbnails and I feel like it changed a lot last year.
I'm a software engineer and usually when friends or family ask me about my thoughts on AI I reply with some version of "neural networks have some cool legitimate uses in approximating prohibitively slow/resource-intensive/unknown algorithms, but are not intelligent and the hype about AI right now is mostly misplaced". I have lately been very frustrated about the proliferation of these AI slop websites whenever I try to search for literally any information. This video has gotten me to think about how big this problem really is, so from now on when people ask I will sound the alarm about the deeply antisocial and destructive nature of generative AI.
I think text-AI is intelligent, just not really that usefull, because really stupid (you have to have intelligence to be stupid.)
Slop requires intelligence and amorality to create (also greed). But mostly I would criticize google, facebook and co for allowing sub-par content on their platforms and promoting them via their algorithmic feeds.
AI in different fields is working in a different way. I don't know if you have been living under a rock but projects like Windsurf, Github copliot and Cursor allow you to develop at a much much faster rate than without. This is going to lead to layoffs in the tech industry and I don't see how it can reverse.
@@cookie_plant8992 It sounds intelligent but it is far from it. It just look refined because o billions of input text from real intelligent people (and some casual things so it can have more use-cases). what we haev is only an advanced autofill suggestion, based purely on use data and not in meaning.
Business are only incorporating it because of pure marketing, they know this generative thing isn't agreggate in nothing, they are doing it for the capital sake.
also a software engineer and I LOVE the LLMs they are so extremely useful for learning, googling and sorting stuff its insane, I dont use them to develop but just help with all kinds of basic tasks, sort through documentation present data nicely, do all kinds of small tasks that help speed up my learning process and workflow. Im cool if others dont like it and choose not to use it, thats fine too.
Right? In the past I used to try in shine light in the "pros and cons", like highlight why it's so bad, and how it doesn't work how people think it does, but also show it has applications, sadly people do not understand nuance (look at the replies you received in this exact comment to see exactly what I'm talking about), and people who are far from both the problems, applications and development of AI are even more immune to nuance in the discourse, it's either trash or the future, the "it has applications and probably could create cool things if used correctly, but people are using it to generate trash and destroy human work, while also using it completely opposed to how it was supposed to be used and neglecting actual research on it" flows over their head, they'll read into that reply whatever their pre-conceived bias tell them to. This video basically settled for me, if people won't understand nuance, I'll not add it to my discourse, if anyone asks me this is trash, any amount of work we can put in to slow this AI stuff is fair. The worst part is: even proper applications of AI are being obstructed by these stupid applications that worsens everything.
Recently I've been struggling for the exact same reasons you described in this video. Thanks for reassuring my "faith" in humanity, stories, curiosity, and creativity. Feels good to know I'm not alone.
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It's crazy, i work in the IT and even if you ask colleagues how to do x or y, they do so often response with: "idk ask chatgpt". We had someone who should write a Software and write his bachelor thesis about that software. Completly AI generated and the university haven't noticed. It is also not restricted to use generative ai at that university. The bad thing, in the Industry your Grade matters alot atleast where i live. The meaning of the grade loose all his value to this. Thanks for your Video and all your videos you have produced. On Reddit you're the recommended source for gamedev math, so continue to make great tutorials because many many many people prefer learning from someone passionated instead of an ai.
Idk, maybe I was just unlucky with my field, but in my experience of looking for a job, unless you want to go to academia, grade doesn't matter at all. Grade is not a good metric for how well you will perform in development, so it's mostly ignored. Unless it's so low there are reasons to doubt your ability to work for 8 hours a day. Experience matters a lot more, and I've ended up writing up a year of experience in IT just so I can get an interview (which was easy to pass).
@@wumi2419 I was about to say the same thing. But a thesis was mentioned; and on a second consideration that would skew toward research and development type jobs.
I worked as a software engineer for close to 40 years, retiring last year. In that time I ran across many so-called "educated" programmers who wrote much worse code than I've ever seen an AI churn out. I'll take the AI generated code any day over someone whose code you have to try and repair then ultimately scrap completely and start over because it's so bad. At least with the AI code it generally takes a few minor fixes to get working correctly.
@@RichardStanton-c3jIt's not about the ai code, it's about the programmers not knowing the code. Who will replace your generation of coders when your generation is gone and the next generation omly asks chat gtp?
You must work with young people.
What's tragic is how youtube used this anti-AI video to push AI startup adds on how I can earn passive income with AI tools, use my voice to 'sing' any song to my AI generated girlfriend that agrees with everything I say and then use AI to write a book on any topic I want and call it a day.
I got recommended AI tools to create artwork for children's books "with no prior knowledge". 😢
What's tragic is not having adblock installed.
Why do you watch these ads? Get an adblock, they are free and super effective since forever. I haven't seen an actual youtube ad since 2012.
I've perfected the art of completely ignoring UA-cam Apps. I suddenly become very interested in my ceiling or what's out my window for that 5 - 15 seconds.
To those concerned I have an ad blocker on my computer but I was watching it on my phone through the UA-cam app, because I was on the move
Thank you for explaining why I feel dread. I could never articulate what made me feel so threatened as a non-artist, but the potential loss of meaning and purpose in life (especially as an atheist) is exactly it.
If the entire internet becomes AI "art" and "blog posts" I know I can always come back to this channel for quality content from a real human with knowledge and passion.
18:58 This is the thing that irks me about every "tech company" website nowadays - they never explain what the heck their product/service even is.
Every company "creates & delivers experiences", with a vision of "empowering you to reach your full potential", by "increasing your engagement & growth" and "optimizing performance", with some charts, analytics, and numbers about... _stuff,_ and fancy background animations of _things_ just... _vaguely happening,_ before eventually asking if you want to sign up.
Sign up for what? Who are you? What is it you actually _do?_
The word 'solutions' has made it almost impossible to understand what a company does, everyone just tries to tell you how good their solutions are instead of the thing they actually do. (This might be because every company offers consulting now because its a free money glitch)
@chungbunger7331 Gah, how could I forget about "solutions", it's like their favorite word!
This shit is infuriating when you're looking for a job. Like what the fuck do you need?
Just need to understand the core two things that AI can do = 1. Creating distractions & dependency IE dissonance so that profit can be made from someones " attention" - so it operates in parasitic manner to be better at controlling, manipulating & exploiting ( stupid, greedy people for the most part ) 2. the other side is barley talked about as that would be AI harmonics - the things that would help individual people to develop into aware, free, intelligent adults with the critical thinking & abstract reasoning skills which helps them expand there understanding & skillfulness to better be able to engage with the increasing complexity of life. Unfortunately there is little money to be made with number 2.
I hear ya. I find the same thing with some corporate job descriptions... uh huh, ok, sure, but can you give me a specific example of what that actually means?
Two things:
1. You reading these articles, especially the first one, is probably one of the best vocalizations of how my brain works that I've seen. I had to call my partner in to watch it so he could understand me better.
2. All of these, every single one, is created specifically for Search Engine Optimization. Pages with more keywords will feature higher in more searches than pages written with informative, focused and concise content. It's the shotgun approach that has proven most successful in gaming Google and others, and which has directly led to a progressive "poisoning" of the indexes which manifests as "worse results". This was happening before (LLM) AI, but it's just happening faster now.
Haha, re (1) I just did the same thing with a friend and then saw your comment afterward. My people 😊.
Imagine the text an LLM trained on these SEO shotgun pellets would write 😂
@realGBx64 Model Collapse
@@mousey796 what flavor of autism is this? how do you react to mispronounced words like comfortable?
@@SioxerNikitaI don't understand a lot of things.
Over here in germany I did an apprenticeship as a software dev and during my interview I got laughed at for caring about art in school.
I do gamedev and webdesign for fun, because I like to do visual things, but the people I met told me it is a "worthless" waste of time as it generates no revenue compared to the time you put in.
I think a lot of these people get these levers now to completely gut everything that has a fun and creative process.
Sorry but this is the most German thing I have ever heard.
As an actual artstudent in the times of AI, I can tell you.
Art and actually doing it and learning it does SO many good things for you!
The people that laughed at you are clearley dumb af, lazy and have themself ZERO clue what they are talking about.
@@quill_master9454 not sure what this had to do with german, its just an idiotic statement, regardless lol
That sounds about right. It has been the case since forever. Most art does not produce revenue. Only in the recent past have artists on mass managed to make a living with it.
@@youtubelisk do things not have value beyond monetary gain?
the way you articulated the sheer existential dread AI has brought you as a creative struggling w depression is just... man. i feel that in my fucking soul. beautifully stated.
recently just being online feels more and more exploitative. even just watching this video, i was constantly interrupted by shitty souless ads that ive seen probably tens of thousands of times for trash ill never buy that make me wanna swear at my screen every time i have to hit "skip." it feels insulting.
every second spent online, youre being assaulted nonstop by corporate tendrils trying to wring Value out of you, and fighting it off has just gotten so fucking exhausting. i feel like ive been more irritable lately, and honestly, while theres plenty of factors that are likely in play, i think the mental fatigue of online life is a non-significant one.
just before the new year, i picked up sculpting with polymer clay again, and its been extremely refreshing. I'll be listening to video essays in the background usually, and if i need reference images I'll be consulting a search engine (thank god ive got physical books to reference too), so its not an activity totally free from The Digital Capitalist Sludge Heap, but at least my eyes are mostly off the screen. im making something with my own two hands. the process itself is entirely unplugged. my work is something that can be experienced with every single one of my senses (though maybe dont eat the clay). it makes me feel so... alive. present. grounded. i think its been a boon to my very turbulent mental health.
anyway, thank you for making this video. as someone else who loves to learn new things from actual human beings, I'm looking forward to hearing more from you in the future :)
(im watching on my phone, so if youre here to scold me for not using an ad blocker: save your breath)
im a young computer engineer in a tech-heavy research position, so i consider myself relatively tech-savvy, but the examples you gave at the beginning really made me realize ive been reading more AI generated BS than I thought. while googling many obscure file formats used for my job and just quickly parsing pages to find the info I need, ive seen "this up and coming file format that is becoming super popular! its the best choice!" so many times and never really thought about it. i just assumed "hmm well thats cool, good thing im using this format if its so popular", now i'm almost 100% certain it was just AI marketing.
thank you for making this video freya! the description got a laugh out of me, despite the sadness of it's accuracy
It seems people are starting to suspect something...
Most engineering jobs is fucking fast-fashion in tech form. Coding is not physics, where nothing has changed since the big bang and people have to discover everything. It's not a law discipline where all of the processes of a country are based on those fucking laws that change very slowly and require you to parse them. When you're working in a programming environment, you've got libraries, languages, products, constantly coming out and dying, and most of the time even the tasks themsevles have the same nature. A programmer is required to know a few basic algorithms, understand how programs get from text to execution, read someone else's code and fix what needs to be fixed. Most tasks come down to: find information, understand information, apply understanding. I really doubt that you're as tech-savvy as you think you are.
Those examples started to become a problem like 2 decades ago. This is nothing new and there is a good chance those pages are older than any GPT model. Sure it's easier than ever and you don't even have to pay anybody in Pakistan to make these anymore, but this specific example is a problem with SEO, not AI.
Yeah it's literally always been like this. Don't you remember the enormous confusion around gigabits and gigabytes? Probably too young for that but you will still find people screwing it up and getting it backwards and that will continue to the end of time
I hadn't actually seen the video description until I read your comment and went back up to read it. It gave me a good chuckle, and I'm also enjoying the somewhat meta notion that this laugh of mine feels attributed both to Freya (as the writer of the description), and you, for causing me to go read it. The magic of human connection, eh?
@@humanharddrive1 He said “relatively”. None of that has to do with applying critical thought to the sources you are reading except debugging. Totally different things that could mean he isn’t tech savvy, or it could just mean he’s admitting to being human.
I work in marketing and your assumptions about people in business are accurate lol
If we think about it outside of a business perspective, a bunch of these companies trying to make money to the best of their ability above everything else really feels like when a kid is being childish and tries copying doing something that they have no real meaning over yet - they're just doing it for the sake of doing it, because that's what they saw.
Much the same way, these companies will do anything to get that money and grow, seemingly infinitely, very often without ever actually ending up caring about the work they do or the passion behind it.
Perhaps some companies started out caring, but then they'll go public and the whole narrative changes.
He who sups with the devil should have a long spoon.
@@XeZrunner When it comes to AI slop, we're talking about one-"business"man run sweatshops in India, not real companies. These people are simpy desperate for money, their business is a bit like running a digital prostitution racket. They also don't really care about their "customers", they care about somehow exploiting the system to generate a small profit in a dog-eat-dog world which surrounds them (because of overpopulation and global politics).
I worked as a SEO writer and I can confirm. Luckily, I quit. SEO writing was BAD before ChatGPT but now it's just nuts. We had to produce so much text in so little time that the quality was below the ground.
Timecode?
Just wanted to tell thanks. Depression is hard and it was the right choice to silence all the media related to the cause. Media feeds on dread and like to bloat everything out of proportion, so it is a good idea to just not listen to them.
Only halfway through the video, but I can definitely recall that searching for these niche file formats quite often ended up in these very "templatey" / "free online converter" websites even before AI. But I guess now it's harder to tell them apart and there's probably more of it.
Yes, I've learned to search "around" those
I know even in the 2010s I would search \*odd file format name\* + Reddit/Wikipedia/GitHub to avoid all the useless converters.
@@CryZe92 Low-effort, template-based file format sites have been around for a long time (though they used to be at least marginally useful and less verbose), but I think the fake blog post is a newer vector. You would also usually get at least some useful documentation on the first page of search results, right?
My thoughts exactly ^ most of these problems were actually pre-existing in some form or another, but AI has certainly amplified them quite a bit.
exactly, she's so surprised like if it's something new
You've put your finger on exactly the same dread and disgust I feel about generative AI. It's horrible, I hate it, it's destroying everything I hold dear.
Some of this slop is SEO heavy, which makes it hard to read. Some of this slop is templated, which makes it difficult to scan (with human eyes) for useful information. Some of this slop is slop, which makes it just awful all over and throughout.
stop holding it so dear then..
@@WarrenDovey "Do you have a passion? Don't worry, you don't have to try anymore"
@@nox9749This world isn't even real that's why evil can flourish here.
@@WarrenDovey ..."Everything"? o_o
When I was in high school, teachers told us not to use Wikipedia as a bibliography because the content there might be unreliable. Now it seems the other way around. Well, I'm curious to see what will happen when the internet is flooded with this AI crap. Will we embrace tradition and read books? Will they also be AI generated or become obsolete? Who knows!
Great video, Freya!
There are published books of AI slop
@@dudelookatree Yeah, it's a common get rich quick scheme. I've seen UA-cam encouraging people to make AI slop books just so they can profit from it. It's gross.
Books have been subverted by DEI ideology, keep the original of Lord of the Rings.
@@SterileNeutrinoNo, that's wikipedia. Books have a barrier to entry that keeps a lot of the virtue signalers and ambulance chasers from bothering
Only reliable sources will be research papers at that point. And let's hope that Universities make sure that no one uses AI to make those either.
I've been so terrified myself as well. Anyone that I talk to from my bubble of techies, they just shun me as a technophobe, saying "yeah man, that's just how the world is".
I respond in anger, yes, it is how it is, but why are we happily assisting and clapping this along? People with power and platform should SPEAK UP! Very few of them do, so much respect to you for doing so. Thanks!
But it's not how the world is. We're being told it's inevitable by the people actively trying to push AI into every corner of the online ecosystem.
@@DeaconPain Yeah. They just want it to be "inevitable." ...It's kind of funny how much "inevitable" stuff turns out not to be inevitable when people kick hard enough.
A browser extension not unlike uBO sounds like it might be neat. Where users can report websites that post AI garbage so they may be avoided by being highlighted or removed from search results.
But if such a thing were to happen, it would also be the ideal resource for OpenAI and other such leeches to scrape even more websites.
it exists, there's one made by Iorate that does exactly this when paired with a custom list by NotaInutilis. can't mention it by name because this website makes my comments disappear when i do that
just thought of the exact same thing
That would be more like the extension Sponsorblock, but good idea
Like a web of trust but for ai garbage. Web of authenticity.
In theory, Kagi's "lenses" might be able to do that ,but they limit the number of exclusions to 10... (And it is a paid search engine, which is not ideal...)
Like so many problems, we want to nibble around the edges, but the problematic parts are growing from capitalism. Capitalism is the problem.
Advertising is deception. Imagine if the bargain was not made (for us) in the 1990s that allowed advertising to drive the web.
Everything good comes from altruism, self-satisfaction, community, passion. The bad stuff is money. We live in a society where we need money to live, where the necessities are measured in money, but that doesn't mean it has to be that way.
Thank you for making this video, it's driven by the good stuff.
This!! Global warming and the enshittification of the internet ultimately have the same cause: A system that drives corporations to do unethical things (to the detriment of us all) because making the highest profits is obligatory. Otherwise investors get mad. That's capitalism.
Agreed, the real repugnant malignance comes from that deeper issue: making money is more important in our society than creating _actual_ value.
yup. organize, everyone
I assume you're writing this on a computer in a library, yes?
Even if OP has a 7-digit salary or uses products of slave labour, that doesn't make the argument any less valid. You can't "start with yourself" on topics that require systemic change.
Pro tip: Switch to "Web" (in the bar under your search with like Maps, Shopping etc) to get the old school Google results with only links, no AI, no "Other people asked", no shopping results etc.
Its the same AI slop, just without other people asked and Google's own highlight
@TheNord06 no, it doesn't have the AI overview at the top. At the very least. The links might still go to AI links, but it should just be a list of sites.
@@TheNord06 if the thing you're searching for isn't too new, you can add before:2023 and weed out almost all the AI slop.
@@NoTengoIdeaGueyright but her Google search didn't have the Gemini thing at the top anyway, so the person you're replying to was pointing out that it still would have been basically all AI content expect the Wikipedia page.
Hell, it might have been a greater percentage AI content as it would have reminded the 2 videos that may or may not have been AI and the video that she judged to not be AI.
Web only results don't save you from AI, it barely helps at all, unless you are specifically annoyed by Gemini at the top.
@doggfite Ok dawg, I dont know what to tell you, I wasn't promising the one weird trick to remove the entire concept of AI from the planet.
It just gives you more of what you want when you Google search, more than it does by default.
Spot-on:
It feels like it's just a bunch of business people who see the internet as a money generator. They're like, "Oh, I heard about this cool AI thing, and you know, you can generate blog posts on your website for your company. You can get clicks from that because people search for things, find your website, and then you get money from the ads! Maybe they're going to use your product.
We can even make it so that the AI will try to guide users into using your product in this article, but in a subtle way. It looks natural, right? We can even tell the AI to include two typos to make it a bit more believable. But otherwise, give them information they might be looking for about X and generate that article to make it sound like our product is the best one."
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This is exactly what is going on. You can't even imagine.
Cheers,
An analytics person that works closely with marketing and management.
That "discussion" at the end... words fail me.
STEP files were originally developed in the '80s, and became an industry standard in the mid '90s. Calling them a gamechanger like they're a brand new thing that just came out... yeah...
I think it's time to move back to user made forums. Dealing with a power tripping admin that had a nervous breakdown because of some inane and petty personal drama is preferable to this slop.
It's full of nonsense. As a FreeCAD user I was cringing at the 'viewer with basic editing features' thing. FreeCAD is what I use daily for 3D modelling and while it's far from perfect (or even stable) it's actually very advanced for a free 'software program'.
What are you doing STEP file bro?
This is most likely a NotebookLM podcast file. Entirely LLM generated. I don’t want to link to it, but if you search for it you can find it talked about in the news (Google just released a new version).
"Dealing with a power tripping admin that had a nervous breakdown because of some inane and petty personal drama"
Perfect description of Twitter
I 100% agree its time to move to user forums. Either that or theres Discord servers but Discord servers are publically viewable.
5:22 “nobody writes like that” - Trust me, I have been asked to write for a target audience where this style of writing was apparently required.
yeah this is completely SEO writing and not AI writing to me.
Oh yeah, I was about to comment just this. I've seen articles like that written years before generative AI was a thing. It was always so weird to write, like "who the hell wrote that? Who the hell writes like that?". So I would not blame it all on AI, and I actually even suspect that about half of the articles marked as AI may have been written by humans who just don't know a thing about what they write, and just dont care. Or maybe it's some kind of language barrier thing. So I agree that a lot of that could be SEO writing and not even AI. You could do another check to see the dates these were written. However that can also be altered, because for SEO you have to mark your articles as new, otherwise they may not show up on the front page. So many of these articles may have been written years ago, and just getting their timestamp updated.
Agreed, there are far too many mistakes and oddities in this to have been written by AI. AI may hallucinate and make shit up, but it does so confidently and with perfect grammar.
@@NikkiDimesYT You can ask the AI to include typos.
@@terrrrmus at this point, AI is certainly not guilty or the problem, people are, and they deserve to be replaced.
It's hard to distinguish between a human generated SEO-optimized text and generative AI nonsence...
I agree, they should both be equally banned from platforms like search engines and social media.
It's a circle, the AI's are trained on SEO slop and then regurgitate the same slop.
When they try to train it on actual blogs and forum text you get results like adding glue to pizza to stop the cheese from sliding off :D
i ignore both
AI slop has a lot fewer grammatical errors than traditional generated slop on the web. I think the slop that's the subject of this video is not AI slop.
don't worry, soon it will be clear because human-generated comments will be all the dumb nonsense ones.
As a digital artist who loves everything about creativity I can not even express how much I agree on everything you said. The entire situation we are in is so complex I just could not bring my thoughts into words and you nailed it 100%. Thank you for sharing your opinion, please never stop doing this.
21:00 "why did they add that part?"
they are clearly gaming SEO with all those keyword-filled lengthy filler paragraphs...
I went into web development in 2014 as a digi nomad. The amount of SEO bro's and SEO hype seemed toxic to me. I worried then, that the internet is going to be filled with SEO optimised trash. Now ai can write SEO optimised websites.
In that time Google briefly had a manual button in the search results to downrank a result and they removed it shortly after. We need the ability to down vote slop.
That visao article reading really struck something. I'm in my early 30s but I often work with people in their early 20s. Something I've noticed is that these younger people often write exactly the same way as this article is written. They often use the simplified grammar and passive voice of an instruction manual in prose, skip over details where they would be necessary but add (invent) them where they aren't, use technical terms mostly interchangeably (Is it a file? Is ist a file format? Who knows?), don't check their writing for plausability etc.
I've always suspected that I'm just coming into my "kids these days" era, but maybe it's a case of "You write what you read". Maybe for these young people, this SEO Slop writing is what they associate with "Useful instructions", because that's what they've been getting served whenever they try to find any kind of information
Recently had a similar experience, I assumed they used an AI writing tool with typos enabled.
@ZedaZ80 Yeah that would have been my first guess too, but without going into detail too much, I would have known for certain weather or not they did. Also, to be honest, some.of the writing was just too bad in other ways to be AI ^^'
Or the AI training data contained an inordinate amount of student academic papers, thus creating a bot that writes in that style. It's worth noting the lower cost AI models used for this type of slop are not the same "premium" ChatGpt/Gemini models
Good point.
Don't ever sell yourself short by just thinking you're in your kids these days phase..
You will always be a wise intelligent being. Don't give in to that stuff.
These are real things happening to our society. It makes me so happy to know that people like you notice these things.
They are quite glaring really right?
The first time the feeling you are imparting hit me was ~25 years ago.
I was coming out of high school and dreaming of making a career as an artist in the performing arts. Looking through general lists of casting calls, I ran across more than one casting call for an "all-girl" or "all-boy" band, which, not my thing, but fine... but the call was for dancers/models, for a band that ALREADY had their album written and recorded. They were hiring band members for music that already existed. The studios were just looking for the faces and names that would appear on the album cover, and dance to the tracks on tour, and be in the posters on the walls of all of the tween girls, for the next 12-18 months. I've spent roughly that amount of time trying to cope with the disillusioned cynicism produced by the realization that when the investors "understand" the market, and how to game the market, that they will do whatever it takes to manufacture whatever consent and/or zeitgeist to meet the ends of attaining influence and maximizing profit in that market, be it music, or ... guided missiles... Tail wagging the dog. Man behind the curtain... Cassandra's curse, as applied to "the invisible hand of the market" is what it is.
The corporate commodification of machine learning; selling it as a way of replacing human artists... and human communication... and all of the rest, for the sake of captive audiences, and overblown "viewer" metrics to overcharge advertisers for...
I'm not going to begrudge someone for using these tools to generate their own content, if their desire for passive consumption is that basic. I will absolutely take issue with the people who then insist their bland, statistically-middling content be foisted upon everyone else, at market prices, as the "pinnacle" of their creative capabilities. Especially from corporations who already did everything they could to put profit over human wellbeing... though the AI-bubble is tracking along just fine with the dot-com bubble, as well.
Don't give up. Keep doing you.
Punk was a counterculture response to the commodification of Brit-pop and Rock'n'Roll, until it was, itself commodified. Grunge was a counterculture response to the hair-metal and glam-rock commodification of the '80s.
There will be a counter-culture response to this moment, as well... and it will invariably be coopted, like all of the others. But remember that the roots of the cultural shifts are always planted by the thinkers and the dreamers, and once the movement has been coopted and homogenized, it stagnates and withers, no matter how much the shareholders will it to remain stable, and ride the trend into the ground. It was true in music, multiple times. It was true in film in the 2000s and 2010s. We're seeing it in big game studios, today. AI as a means of cost-savings for all of these industries isn't going to prevent that stagnation, nor prevent the thinkers, nor dreamers, of inventing the next countercultural shift.
You've got this.
Wow fantastic anecdote
Best comment I've ever read. This is the world, you nailed it. Marketing with powers akin to a cosmic horror, blending human endeavor into a slurry and squeezing the juice out. Stay cool, life grows out of the compost.
dancers / models? are you talking about background / foreground dancers or what? or the band itself?
in case of Idols - it is an industry in itself and everyone knows how it works. the same for Bollywood industry.
Are you sure it wasn’t a call for backing dancers?
@JamEngulfer they weren't calls for dance troupes. Dancing isn't my forte, and I wasn't looking for calls for dance auditions.
They were essentially "idol" positions in the slew of copycat boyband/girlband post N'Sync / Spice Girls. And that's perhaps too much credit, because in JPop/KPop, depending on the era, you might at least expect an idol to dance and sing at the same time... at least, capturing the performance during dress rehearsal, if not live off the floor.
And this isn't the first time in history that it happened. Boney M existed because a German musician wanted to write disco music, but he wasn't taken seriously, because... Germany wasn't a big scene for disco writing...
So he hired a bunch of Carribean idols, essentially, and a couple of women who could dance and sing. That's why the dude who sings Rasputin has a German accent, despite nobody in Boney M looking particularly German, based on press photos. The rest of the group was essentially the precursor to Milli Vanilli.
When I ask Bing for image references of something I want to draw it just chucks me a generated image from the keywords I used.
I guess all we have to do is wait until AI inbreeds itself to the point where it can't function anymore because idk if you hadn't seen it yet but tech companies are literally saying there isn't enough data for AI datasets to feed on. THE ENTIRE INTERNET isn't enough for that thing to survive. Like you said, it's literally like cancer
It is ironic and also quite telling, that the only use for Generative AI you found is helping you search the web. The same thing they made nonfunctional with their slop. Truly a companys dream, creating a problem and then selling the solution.
I use it somewhat for my work (programming) and it helps for four things in particular:
1) Helping search the web
2) Acting as a glorified search and replace tool. Sometimes I need to change the way a few functions or classes work which leads to a dramatic change in the places they're called. If it's going to take me more than 5 minutes or so to change them all then I will copy all into a code block in a locally run LLM, then correctly change one and ask it to do the rest. Works like a charm and saves a couple of minutes.
3) Due to mental block or whatever sometimes I just cannot think of a good name for a variable/function/class, so in order to not spend forever coming up with a name or creating a Java-style one I explain what it's representing and ask for some suggestions. This usually saves some time.
4) I'm not confident in my ability to write concisely (see: this comment) so it's helpful to chuck documentation I write into it just to check for conciseness and clarity.
These are all just using the models to transform language rather than in a generative way since I don't trust their output when asking them to write stuff based solely on description.
For me it's just another tool, it works well for what I use it for but I wouldn't use it outside of that.
"Wait, if everyone had a gun, there'd be no more mass shootin- I really gotta get out of Florida"
Google Search became unusable about a decade ago so I switched to Bing and Duck Duck Go. That's been in decline because of SEO spamming.
When Bing Chat was first released two years ago, it was the best for search. Citations and good results. It's declined a little as they've added filters and blocked the ability to find some content, but generally I get my best search results that way. Gemini generally fails spectacularly, GIGO probably because of SEO. Perplexity for certain searches is also a very good resource.
I don't know that everything shown is necessarily AI generated, but it is definitely SEO pollution.
Eventually, it'll get much better.
Google Search became unusable about a decade ago so I switched to Bing and Duck Duck Go. That's been in decline because of SEO spamming. When Bing Chat was first released two years ago, it was the best for search. Citations and good results. It's declined a little as they've added filters and blocked the ability to find some content, but generally I get my best search results that way. Gemini generally fails spectacularly, GIGO probably because of SEO. Perplexity for certain searches is also a very good resource. I don't know that everything shown is necessarily AI generated, but it is definitely SEO pollution.
UA-cam comments are awful because most of my comments are hidden.
Thank you. I'm sorry for the crisis of faith you went through / are going through. I'm glad I'm not the only person going through it. I work in academia in maths education, and I get the feeling more and more each day that I can't trust that any given article published after 2021 is entirely written by a person. Any time I attend a seminar that has AI in the title, it's a toss-up whether it's a "ok gang we reeaaally need to rethink assignment briefs for students in this new paradigm of hard-to-kill superplagiarism" or a "I used AI to generate assignment briefs and here's how you can too" (both of which would be titled "The impact of AI on designing assignment briefs"). I think what we can do to have hope is to share these experiences, like you've done, so that we know other people also deeply care. So thank you for sharing this.
It brings into focus some new objectives for education at a meta level -- examining what is even the role of personally-held knowledge, or how to research and reason in an environment riddled with AI-generated content, how to vet sources, look for internal consistency or consistency across sources.
dead Internet theory rings truer and truer every day 😭
It's not a dead internet theory, but a dead internet reality
that's what happens when you believe search engines that tell you that you should not link to other websites. People who own a website stopped linking to others. SEs have become centres for search rather than source websites. Then the SEs started spitting AI stuff mostly.
@@quantumgaming9180 it's using theory in the scientific sense, i.e. the best available model to describe reality
For me internet died when social networks dominated it, before you had to join some forum, where enthusiasts shared very valuable information, it was golden age of internet, information was of a very high quality.
Social networks killed all of that, most forums died, information quality was deteriorating fast, because of how social metwirk algorythms worked - social networks are designed to keep you there for long time, not find quality information fast. Starting with cooking communities and getting to hacking and bomb making communities on the extreme end.
Generative AI is just kicking a dead "body" of dead internet.
Neal Stephenson hinted that this would happen in "Anathem"
“Artificial Inanity systems of enormous sophistication and power were built for exactly the purpose Fraa Osa has mentioned. In no time at all, the praxis leaked to the commercial sector and spread to the Rampant Orphan Botnet Ecologies. Never mind. The point is that there was a sort of Dark Age on the Reticulum that lasted until my Ita forerunners were able to bring matters in hand.”
This is my hypothesis: This is the way the disease (advertisers) have found cracks through people's defences.
Instead of ads that people are more likely to overlook altogether, search result pollution is the way to go.
Even if you use adblock, you still see their pathetic attempts at advertising. I don't know if they still make money if no ad was loaded in, but they get the traffic even so.
One extremely important thing to remember at all times is that this disease (advertising) is more like a degenerative condition that is meant to take years and years to finally crack you.
They know one ad isn't going to make your mind associate parts of it with their pathetic brand or product... but they hope that you finally crack after years and years of constant barrage.
It's called murketing. It's an actual marketing type. You've seen it.
The most interesting take I heard a year or two ago (on the TrashFuture podcast) was this: "AI is the anti-printing press". Basically, the printing press facilitated remote human-to-human communication at an unprecedented scale. And AI, at least in its ideal form, removes human to human communication. How do you find real people, with real ideas and information to share, or communicate with those people, when AI is flooding all the communication channels with imitation communication?
People who want to find real people can look for channels like this one and filter for them . A dedicated curated authentic human search could be built.
@@SioxerNikitano need to be so snippy. Especially as you seem to have missed the point.
@@SioxerNikitaExcept the invention of mewsletters didn’t come about until the internet. Books _are_ a form of communication and the printing press made it easier. You’re being obtuse for no reason.
@@walter0bz it will be difficult to generate such a product in the English-speaking world that is not subject to American partisanship. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Humans beget human problems.
Trash Future, Tech Won’t Save Us, and Better Offline inoculated me against this industry.
I asked chatGPT "write a tech blog article about .GLB files" and what it spit out was indistinguishable from any of those blog articles :/
Doubt it, GPT doesn't tend to make grammar mistakes like these articles do.
@@WeirdBrainGoo If you run several prompts in the same conversation for too long it starts to hallucinate and you get weird sentences like that.
Ex: I imagine someone asked GPT to generate a content marketing article about .GLB files with a list of SEO words and after that asked it to check the result and improve the SEO.
@JinMeowsoon Well, I could be wrong, maybe the article actually is GPT. It does hallucinate stuff randomly like you said.
@@WeirdBrainGoo when creating black hat SEO sites, one may introduce certain techniques to confuse the Google algorithm such that it doesn't know that this was written by AI. I think we need a new text based format that by law all AI companies must use, to distinguish from "real" text. But again, this poses loads of challenges and implementation problems.
@dertuman Oh yeah, that sounds like a good idea if it's possible to implement. I don't know if we can prove that something was written by AI if people don't use the format though...
One of the MANY downsides of AI is the tsunami of brain rot short form content. So, when a video like this comes along, with no fancy editing, just a person sitting in front of their mic and camera and speaking for an hour on a topic which I care about, holds my attention. I just watched an hour long video where a person speaks on a topic they're passionate about. Thank You for this video and since I'm not as nice as you are, FUCK A.I.
exactly, and I enjoyed reading every single comment here, because this is what we are yearning for, acual human communication.
“Generative AI is designed to provide wealth with access to talent, while denying talent access to wealth.”
~ Somebody on the internet with good points
getting ads about AI generated presentations and videos on this specific video is wild and only underlines Freya's point
yep
Firefox + uBlock Origin, I haven't gotten a single ad on youtube while using that
@@walrien9359 Yes you have, you forgot sponsorblock
What's even worse is the amount of electrical energy needed for creating all this AI-crap while we are facing a climate catastrophe.
Nah you don't get to pull that when you're literally on a website that eclipses any concerns of electricity usage. AI models only need to use lots of power when they're training models, after that they don't use much at all. If you're going to complain about energy, the solution isn't banning AI, the solution is making energy sources more efficient.
@@_B_E "we should improve society somewhat" "and yet you participate in society! curious! I am very smart"
@@entropic-decay Except that's not what's going on here. AI energy cost is small in proportion to all the other things in your everyday life. This is just straight up virtue signaling in the purest sense of the term.
If your house is filling up with water because of a hurricane outside, you don't blame the running sink faucet for it.
@@_B_E Dude, generative AI has been proven to increase electricity usage. Stop ignoring the actual risks.
@@_B_E 1. The „all other things you use in your life” are things like you living, or finding information to know stuff. Or connecting to other humans.
2. What do you want to do? To increase our problems, as so slop can be mass produced and critical thinking deleted?
Reminder that Luddites only wanted to be treated fairly, not hold back progress.
Luddite should be a proud term for progress, not a pejorative for regression.
Reminds me of "Digital Minimalism" - probably the only good self-help book out there. In that book there is some stuff on the amish and how they are perceived as backwards because the reject technology. But in reality they have a principle to not use something if it can distance you from your community or life and creates more problem than it solves. It is taken to an extreme and is centered on religion but the author finds some benefits in that
Well, right now is something beyond that, because what people don't like about AI is that is stealing their stuff, that's not progress, that's steal
"You mean it's all class warfare?"
"Always has been"
The British government leveraged more troops to put down the British Luddite movement than to fight NAPOLEON.
The obscenely wealthy are petrified we are noticing their game plan.
What if I wanted to regress from this?
Thank you for being a human being (and for making this video). I had a feeling web search has gotten worse, but i had no idea it's THIS bad.
One of the worst parts, I think, is that even if we curated something that was very human, a nice, pristine place where this litter didn't happen, it would likely just be used as a goldmine of non-slop for feeding more AI trash.
Another of the worst parts is that the more work you do to be inclusive of all humans - like putting ALT text on your images and transcribing your videos - the more you'll get stolen from, because that data is vital to AI training.
🤔I hope the search engines could somehow train a AIs to filter out slop...but this is probably a recursive nightmare problem to solve. 😑
Glaze and nightshade everything you post online, the tools to fight against generative AI exist, but need more adoption in general.
@@AccountHolder-c5e And your job will BE replaced too 😉
It seems that one solution is invite-only online communities where the content is behind a login and can't be scraped. Being invite-only, with say a limited number of invites possible per a given time period, would help ensure that nobody who has the intent to scrape the content would ever be able to become a member. I know there are communities like this that exist, for example on Mastodon and elsewhere.
Regarding that last part (the discussion): A coworker of mine fed my latest (end of 2024) paper to the tool making these "podcasts". And after superficial listening to it, I found so many misrepresentations in it. I was thinking (but not seriously considering) to do a video/talk/article deconstructing that generated output and highlighting what parts of the paper it's currently "discussing" and how it's unrepresentative, or puts emphasis on the wrong things.
Shall I go forward with it?
More quality analysis is always nice! Might be able to find an audience if you post it in the right part of BlueSky or the like
That’s really interesting! But as a person that has worked on AI in academics (from a design perspective) pointing out how AI or LLM’s misrepresents information is quite difficult. This misrepresentation is not a general thing and often seems to rely on the specific LLM model. After all these models do not reason and merely utter words based on what words are likely to be used in conjunction with the words you put in. We see a lot of students learning how to do “prompting” so that they can get perfect results back from the model, only to discover that after a tiny OpenAI update, their prompts do not work anymore! It would be interesting to point out how the use of ai promotes these mistakes and how AI models (because they lack reasoning) generally respond unrepresentative results
yes
I don’t know it seems more like people misusing the tool rather than an issue with the tool itself. It’s not meant to do 100% of your workflow. Just a good chunk of it. You still need to edit it.
@@neetfreek9921 In fairness, widespread misuse seems like a pretty good sign that people need to be made more aware of the possible pitfalls lol
Your words about the beauty of human creation are so lovely. Thank you for this video!
For my own AI slop story: I had to look up how to change the time on my oven and ended up on a page which was probably 1000 words too big. The first step was: “Go to your kitchen!”
Its tone also annoyingly peppy 😑
Gosh you are a blessing of a human being. I hear my own experiences and feelings in almost every word. I want to really absorb this video but for a few years now the concept has only filled me with greater and greater dread. Just thankful you understand
why is there a geoplex comment here
@CatValentineOfficial because i scurry about the tubes of the internet like a little mouse
@ go remix insufferable garbage by jamattack
I work in education, and the point you made at around 39 minutes - about it all being deceptive- is what bothers me most.
Students have always tried to BS their way through reports, and in the past I could quite easily flip through their work and know whether it was garbage or not. Now, however, I have to read everything in full - especially if they have put in some effort to rewrite parts of AI generated stuff- before I can make my BS call. My workload has increased by at least 100% in exam periods because of this, whereas students probably spend less time on education than ever before.
As a result we're going back to good old-fashioned on location exams, instead of doing-what i deem to be way more value adding- case reports.
Had to get that of my chest, now back to the video.
Just because I am curious: Do you think AI should be used to rewrite your own stuff. Let's say I am writing a paper and I don't know how to structure the content or how to write some sentences. I just have some semi decent phrases, maybe some paragraphs and bullet points. Do you think it is acceptable to use AI to (re)write the sentences or give me the wording for the bullet points?
At what point am I using AI to create something rather than use it as a tool to help me be more efficient? Would that be acceptable? I mean, people are using AI to program, so that would be the same principle or not?
To be honest I feel bad for students as much as I feel bad for teachers. Imagine having to spend time studying while very well being sure that your efforts won't help you to get a job because by the time you graduate your skills will already be obsolete. You may as much not bother. I have no idea how young people are supposed to choose their path in life right now.
it's kinda pathetic how teachers act if we aren't going to do their silly chores everyone will just become stupid. Nothing I learned in school ever helped my in RL. I was going to school at a time when teachers still were saying handwriting is super important and they made us waste time on better handwriting long after everyone already just had his style to write. when you said: "that's useless. not even in 10 years from now everyone will write with computers." they would say shit like good handwriting is directly linked to intelligence and if that happens everyone will be just stupid.
it's the same shit. you were born in a world where students had to write stupid shit at home and you had to correct it. now they can make AI do write the stupid shit. they will use it. not just in school but also when they finish it. everyone will use it. meanwhile teachers are trying to prepare their students for a world that simply doesn't exist anymore.
I don't know anyone who became successful because of his school education. I know a lot of people who became successful despite their school education including me. I was already making more money at age 13 than the teachers I had thanks to the internet. all they did was taking time from me when I could earn more money.
I was never bad in math but I kept forgetting everything from the past I didn't need. when I started game development for fun I relearned all math I needed in about a week. when I went to school whole years went by and not a fraction of the knowledge stuck. the school system is broken. teachers are just wasting the most important time of their students.
@@Noqtis Talk to 10 people and 5 will say, like you, nothing they learned in school was relevant to their life and 5 will say that school opened their eyes, changed their life, expanded their possibilities beyond all imagining, and gave them a path out of poverty. Everybody's different. Also, the point of school is not to teach a fixed set of facts but spark curiosity, teach you how to work toward goals and, most importantly, how to "learn how to learn" as the cliche says. Since you're so smart (no sarcasm here), tell me how you would design a system that can do all that and works for a majority of students from a hundred different backgrounds with 50 different flavors of intelligence and a dozen different learning styles and prepares them for 100 different jobs that may or may not exist in the future? I look forward to your comprehensive yet simple answer.
@@jones1618 "Talk to 10 people and 5 will say, like you, nothing they learned in school was relevant to their life and 5 will say that school opened their eyes, changed their life, expanded their possibilities beyond all imagining, and gave them a path out of poverty. "
This will never happen. The best way to make students hate something is to force it into the school curriculum. Dude, I wasn't alone at school. I don't know a single one who's eyes were opened by fucking school. you know how much wasted time and half-knowledge you get in school?
You know, my problem isn't just it took time and real opportunities away from me. it actively constricted my view of the world. just the classes politics and history are so fucked up in my country (it's a 1. world country), you can not image. it's all unproven system propaganda. and I believed that shit. I actually was buying the fucking newspaper when I came out of school like a braind*** npc thinking I was educating my further after school. luckily I'm very curious so I could break the spell at some point but now I know what school is. even if you can 5 idiots who praise school to heaven. they just don't know what was taken away from them and are ignorant to the possibilities that could be.
not even the best student in school on this whole planet is worth anything. he will not end up becoming Einstein or Tesla. More likely he will become a fucking bum. look into highly intelligent people. half of them are living on the fucking streets because they understand this system and can't take it :D
meanwhile, the amazonas there was once living a tribe called the Pirahã. Luckily a language expert found them before we corrupted them with TV and western values. and you know what? as a teacher you should know them...
they spoke a language that was thought of as impossible my linguists at that time. a language without recursion.
you are a teacher so I'm not going to explain you what that means. if you don't know, look it up.
their language is quite primitive and they have no concept of numbers. but the "sentences" they have to learn to speak their language is absurd. because their words change by meaning. you don't have a "house" but "house" will be a different word in every context you can form a sentence with this word.
this is nuts. their children have to learn something that is my sheer volume of information probably as complex as learning Mandarin but with x10-x50 more signs.
and you know how they do this? they don't need a school. not even a primitive "learning group". they just follow their parents and interact with the environment, especially boys. and there are thousands of studies done how boys don't learn shit sitting, but you nuts keep ignoring them telling yourself someone has a good time in school because school. dude, those are the teenager years. they are mostly easygoing and you don't have to think how to pay for your rent and food. obviously some will like those. but not because of school. I learned English in Diablo2, Math in Godot and everything else on the fucking internet. you can go to UA-cam and watch a Harvard lecture on basically anything they have lectures on. you think you lamenting before your students reached that level of knowledge transfer? I don't think so. especially since you are talking to slow and thinking to slow. I need to make you twice as fast, so my brain doesn't have to wait. I can do that with youtube. can you do this in the classroom? I don't think so. step back. you got replaced even before AI came out. now you are done. look up the newest studies. children learn faster by asking AI and reading the explanations than in the classroom listening to a teacher. my kids are going to be home schooled. f that bullshit system that steals the best part of your life!
In portuguese we have this slang called “lero-lero”, which means to say a bunch of words and yet it says nothing. That is exacly what text generator AI does, “lero-lero”.
Esse tal de chat gabriel pedro tavares só escreve lero-lero
Does it translate to „empty-empty“?
@@gelopisaminasotaripitanasi5921 It's onomatopoeic, it'd probably translate to blah-blah
In Portugal it's "encher chouriço/linguiça".
According of my research, 'lero' stands of 'léria' which means 'cunning speech that aims to deceive'.
"file format" is a very known pattern to leech on for such throwaway websites. "gltf glb layout" gives concise results with links to Khronos and Wikipedia.
Yeah, these sites have existed way before AI
I had to parse a glb and repack with some additional stuff once in a JS web worker
x-x learned so much on that one. The very detailed info definitely all out there even 5 years ago
Yeah, SSO leaching and LLM generation together really create poisoned lands.
I usually tack on "specifications" to get good info about the file format, such as "GLB format specification". It usually takes me to a detailed guide on how to parse the file format, and has worked for me when trying to parse PNG, JSON, and other formats. It's usually a spec guide from the group that designed the format, and it's sometimes so detailed that they'll even give examples for what you _won't_ find, like with the JSON spec.
"gltf specification" also works well btw :D
I’m a high school English teacher. It’s BAD out here. I’m trying my best to limit students’ opportunities to use AI in my class (almost entirely in-class paperwork) but I’m also trying to educate them on the reasoning behind my policy… it’s hard when all they’re getting is AI shills on their tiktok when they go home. 😭
Thank you for sharing the step file podcast episode, it's something I'd normally scroll past and not realise the ridiculousness of. Now my face is shrink-wrapped to my skull as a result of wincing so much.
you're welcome/I'm sorry
That seems like it was generated by NotebookLM... (which is not horrible for dealing with input documents, but generating output is not ideal...)
It was so eerie listening to something generated by no one, for no one, starring no one, talking endlessly about nothing. Is this what the abyss sounds like?
You're so incredibly real for this. Idk if it's because our personal interests around the internet overlap here but I find it very rare to find someone else from the technical side who shares the same thoughts about Gen AI. In game development I find people less and less oriented to this perspective and I feel like I'm in an upside down world where no one else can feel the water boiling.
It's not a fear of new technology or worrying about job security but a moral and existential issue that erodes the potential of people. Thanks for taking the time to talk about this. Greatly appreciated.
It just promotes incompetence. I always felt "dumb" as a sysadmin but I do get tech, can code, know to run a project, etc. And yet I find, as my knowledge grows, the average does not seem to. Things "can be done"? Tell me HOW. Crickets. What does it do? Buzzwords. Blegh. I genuinely doubt I could teach myself c# or whatever in the modern internet. Back in the day I could just google things. It's become more and more the case I rely on my past experience because the information is so bad. It reminds me of the 90s all over again.
I feel like a crowdfunded solution is becoming necessary. something like sponsorblock, but for top level domains. which is then implemented as an addon that removes/highlights links to likely ai garbage. and you then also have the option to vote on a site as being ai or not (or other categories, for example facebook could be markes as including ai stuff) and trusted websites could also be set up, like wikipedia.
Who do you expect to do the voting? AI obviously ... sad.
@@tlacmen I already have an addon which lets me block result urls in google. so i am already doing this, me, a human. (feels silly to say i am a human)
Isn't that basically how they train the models? RLHF - AI generates crap, humans decide whether it's AI or not, use that data to further train the AI until it's indistinguishable
@@henrylindeman4499 i don't know how much is actually supervised. And previously everything on the internet wasnt ai generated. Nowadays its becoming garbage in, garbage out.
So unsupervised could be detrimental overall, yes.
🙂This seems like it's at least worth a shot! Otherwise we all just get to deal with endless slop. 🥲
As a programmer and artist, your video made me cry. You not only explained perfectly the problem, but also its consequences and existencial dread. I just want to say thank you for posting this video! This is the kind of content that I (still) want to consume on the internet!
I'm looking forward to this. I must admit i wasn't expecting to see a video about this on this channel, out of all channels. It was a surprise, but a good one, as I too think generative AI is quite problematic (mostly for how corporations are conducting it) and I feel there isn't enough discussion about it, given its power.
Edit:
Omg, I barely made it through the "let's figure out the specifics of the GLB file format". It was so painful to watch because it brought back memories of very similar experiences I had not long ago.
And this is indeed something new, that's not how things used to be. I really miss the times when you'd find a very useful forum thread or blog post from real people dedicated to a subject.
Also, unfortunately this isn't limited to just written content and Google searches anymore.
But honestly, I'd go so far as to say that I feel this not exclusively an AI thing. The internet has been year after year becoming less organic and more corporate. It's now a place for products and (potential) consumers, in contrast to being a space that people build themselves. Generative IA is just an additional (super effective) actor on this whole process.
I've felt a grief and a disinterest on the internet from years before the boom of genAI and today it doesn't effect me as much. But I appreciate what you're doing because if we're not to have a soulless internet, people have to discuss this problem. Even if genAI is just too good and is here to stay, at least its cons have be in the line of fire.
(I wish I could share my thoughts on every single point you made in the video, cuz maaany of them felt so close to some of my concerns... but well, can't do that in a UA-cam comment)
I'm glad! it's scary releasing this, bc there's multiple things working against me ;-;
1. this topic is outside of what I usually talk about
2. it's a lower effort yet edited video which I usually don't do
3. it's about a pretty controversial topic, one where a lot of even my own viewers are likely to disagree with me
@@acegikmo curious for your take on the topic! "lower effort" how?
@aurele2989 I'm guessing lower effort compared to her past few videos where the quality was through the roof.
@@acegikmono ur viewers are like u they love u
@@acegikmo Just watched it. There might be people that disagree, that's inevitable, but the discussion is valid and you present it in an interesting way by being very practical.
I think I'm with @jortor2932 on this!
7:18 its not just you being primed to be annoyed by the AI generated BS, I cannot explain why but this also happens to me when I find an article on a subject of my field (optics) written by using AI. I feel.... cheated? like scammed? cause I KNOW I am going to have to skim through the mud to get maybe a little tiny nugget of useful gold.... I hate AI generated articles.
Every of these texts are wordy and weird for a reason, this is the mighty science of SEO, back in the days, when I worked in a company (20 years ago) where we did SEO we followed the same rules just manually.
Be wordy, repeat the SEO keywords like shit-ton times.
Any fillers in the text which doesn't make any sense (glb to png conversion for eg) is just raising the density of the glb keyword. (again, repeat the keyword shit-ton of times) but the robots don't understand anything about the context. They just tokenize and calculating a value for the webpage.
So yes, it's shit for purpose.
And that's why you found these garbage things on the first page, our mighty AI tech is wonderful for generating this SEO shit.
You are essentially saying that AI is really good at what it is supposed to do in this context, but that the systems we use for creating content (especially the platforms for media consumption) are not built to reproduce quality?
@@cookie_plant8992 I'm saying, AI is great for generating input for search engine robots, to achieve higher scores. On the other hand, search engines are bad for delivering quality content. For e.g. opening a bad result gives some amount of validation to the search engine, but giving feedback is like 5 minutes of active "work" from the user side. And no one sending feedbacks to the Google about the results quality I guess.
@@cookie_plant8992 They are bulit to increase chance of business exposure. Social media is an illusion for consumers to think they will get any quality content in. They are built with profit in mind. The only way to break from it is to self-host a fediverse application suite.
"just raising the density" doesn't work for like 10 years already
I feel like so much of the rise of AI created artifacts is based on the standards of business people creating things that seem convincing to other business people. Like you can say "Look, our website has helpful information for our users!" And its just slop, but you have to have a certain level of technical knowledge to know its slop. Its like the props children make when they're playing pretend.
This feels similar to the problem on the web that Google initially solved: finding relevant information. There's money to be made in the solution so there's some incentive to find it. In the meantime, we'll have to curate lists of useful resources on the web and share them by word of mouth.
Could we also bring back webrings?
What you're describing kinda feels like the internet version of the Lorax movie-but instead of a company selling fresh air in a wasteland, it's a company selling bits of the internet that aren't plagued by LLM-generated slop. Hoping that another group comes along to sell us the old internet instead of just keeping the old internet feels wrong.
@keeblebrox - Right but did Google REALLY solve it the original problem of finding the most relevant information? Or did they find a way to simulate doing that well enough to fool most people? According to a few who suspected otherwise and tested their theory Google actually scammed us all. Where it tells you it found millions of search results for example if you actually click on page after page you eventually will reach the end but it wont be after you page through millions of results, it will suddenly stop showing you results at some point loooooong before it gets to that huge number it told you it found and it wont even explain what happened or why it wont show you those thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of results it claimed to have found.
And in the process of "curating" results for you do you think you can trust them to be truly objective and to show you all the results you could possibly find relevant? Or is it more likely that at some point their own opinions, biases and beliefs are going to come into play and skew their curation methods, not to mention the fact that it is a company who's bottom line is profit and not actually to go above and beyond the customer's expectations. If there is a way to meet the average customer's expectations without any serious repercussions as far as their bottom line is concerned they are going to choose that way.
And there is even the question as to which customer they are really catering to and prioritizing. Obviously its going to be the paying customers. Are you paying for your search results? Who's paying? Advertisers. So the real customers that Google or Alphabet seeks to keep happy is the advertisers who could care less if you get the best possible search results.
5:22 "nobody writes like that", I know it may sound silly, but there's a reason people write articles like that, the Google search engine promotes content that has the keywords you type in, basically repetition of words like "format" or "file" or "file format" or "file extension" make your article more likely to be on the top search websites that appear when you search for that file extension. It's a strategy to have more flow of viewers in your page, and if it has ads means more money. Believe it or not this is intended, and it's written by a human most likely that actually was hired to write articles like that... I get your point though, it kinda feels bad, but that's just how this works...
@@HimikkoStar I don’t think this just “kinda feels bad”. Any person writing that way is writing for the machines, not for people. That is incredibly unfortunate and cross purposes with people trying to find good information :(
Just because this is what SEO wants doesn't mean you can't do it more artfully. There is a balance being struck here between readable language and keyword overloading and keyword overloading is winning. I've working in advertising for many years and the copywriters who could do this well really deserved their paychecks.
I wish there was a way to flag search results as being bad, and to block entire domains from appearing in search results. It’s so hard to find high quality written documentation online these days. Everything is a video or is garbage text. You know a site is good when it has html styling straight from the early 2000s
You can do actually do this*
* but you have to pay for monthly subscription for search engine called Kagi
I use it and have now blocked all the generated websites from this video
It's a paid service, but Kagi search does this really well (letting you block or prioritise certain domains) as well as a bunch of other processes and filters that make most search results actually useful again. And they use the money to also buy search results from e.g. Google, so you don't lose the actually good results and better processing of context that Google provides in comparison to other alt searches.
This sounds like an ad, but Kagi has mostly fixed web search rot for me, and I have accepted that you just have to pay money for a search engine to actually be helpful these days.
I want AI to do the jobs that I don't want to do so i can do what I love to do, not for AI to do what i love so i can do the jobs I don't want to do.
Let us not overlook the sheer comedy of describing an ISO data format specified in 1994 as a "Total Game Changer(tm) for anyone working with 3d designs" 1:12:25 . It almost makes me want to start a podcast where I talk nonsense about "Big Deal" file formats like .BMP and .AIFF for 40 minutes. Working Title: "Is this a virus?"
I wholeheartedly appreciate you talking about everything in this video. I didn't even realise how much of a drain on my hope and wellbeing AI has been, and how much I've had to avoid discussions of it. I studied computer science in order to make a living from solving human problems and creating things that others would appreciate. Now I'm forced to watch these two things get eaten away by a fire that so many people seem to be roasting marshmallows over, instead of putting it out. Between this, and being chewed up and spat out by corporate employers time and time again, it's been a difficult journey trying to find myself again. But I believe, as you do, that we will persevere; that as long as we have the desire to create, we will find a way. Those among us who care about genuine expression and meaningful connections will be guiding lights for generations to come.
Ed Zitron’s show “Better Offline” is a great resource to spread the word. Lots of variety, and absolutely scathing of the giants wasting our precious time with this garbage.
@@sharkbelly1169 Oh, looks like they've been on with Sam Seder as well. Thanks, I'll check it out.
When I was a kid I spent hours on the internet learning random things, clicking random links, and exploring. I have my job now because of the things I learned then. What do I say to the curious kids I meet today? Where can they go to learn?
Paper encyclopedias. I browsed World Book for fun in the 90's.
Back to the local library, I guess, assuming it hasn't been defunded and closed down yet.
To Discord, I guess. Kids are smart, they will adapt.
More to the point how do you get them to watch anything other than some hysterically gibbering Minecraft streamer.
ChatGPT or Claude, duh
I'm a professional writer. For the last year, the only jobs I've been able to find were agencies that explicitly instructed me to generate content through Chat GPT and then humanize it... As much as I can considering the ridiculously low pay and amounts of articles they are asking me to produce.
The dead internet theory is true.
Also, the photography argument drives me up a wall because I used to be a professional photographer and photography absolutely is an art form. I feel like AI bros who regurgitate this point think that photography is simple - you just point the camera and click the button, right? But...like...that's totally wrong. Like I have won photography awards, and I did it by applying a lot of the same principles other visual artists use - image composition, lighting, color. I wasn't drawing it by hand, and the candid street photography I was doing was different from studio photography, but I was setting up a shot and sometimes standing in the same place for a long time, waiting for someone to come along at the right time to get the exact angle I wanted. You still need an artistic eye to do good work as a photographer. And if you're using generative AI, you just...don't. Using an AI image generator requires no knowledge of art whatsoever. It's an insult to photographers to compare our work to AI.
And here’s the kicker, ai wants to replace EVERYTHING
But AI also doesn't understand the principles of art and their purpose. Its a sieve filtering pixels into the generalized color and placement to replicate a collection of images from other people who do understand those principles with no capacity of understanding on its own. And because of that it will never be capable of the kind of creative innovation and expression humans naturally do.
at the very least it's quite reassuring to know that there is a sizeable amount of people sharing this dread
it's possibly the strongest drive for me to push more of my stuff out there, and keep creating and telling my stories, and hopefully find a way to stay connected to others who do the same thing
I bet it won't drive away the noise, possibly even reinforce and feed it, but I don't want to let this technology drive me out just like that
As a fellow human (beep boop), I think this sums up my approach too. I'm not sure if the mainstream will notice that the quality of things is taking a nosedive and seek out real creators, but can't do a thing about it either way.
Something very annoying to me is searching technical problems and getting AI summaries/ responses and within two seconds finding obvious mistakes or incorrect information in the AI response. I would rather see crappy gif ads than a single sentence of an AI "guess" about very specific technical issues.
The trouble, right now, is that we have AIs that are getting trained on large chunks of the internet - but then they can create less intelligent recreations of the data they are being trained on. But then we have this feedback mechanism where huge parts of the internet will become increasingly AI generated, and this will then be used to train newer AI models - so we have a scenario where we will spin off towards an internet that is increasingly dissociated from “real” data, with no way of verifying or finding the original data.
I work in AI and I think about these problems a lot. Really hope that I - or anyone - can help come up with a solution before it’s too late.
I am an ML engineer (I don't like the term AI), and I recently, finally got to work on something other than "AI", and damn I hate AI slop, would never create such crap myself.
We have been entering a period where we see a lot of chaotic approaches to try to earn money on this new technology. It is chaotic, it is brutal, it is impressive, it is scary, it is disheartening, it is ... a lot of emotions.
What I am most scared about is how brutal this transition period will be, I'm not necessarily too scared about the end result, though that does also cause some level of fright.
Zooming out a little. This "transition" will take a looooong time. AI is highly over-hyped, and that is a bubble that will either burst (as it has done 2-3 times previously), or we will see a slow down and investment drying up. Just like AAA game studios are facing a crisis today, so will the funding for AI slop dry up, leaving some of the best uses for us to work with. In the long term, I think we are swinging towards a Wall-E society, but I do think the realization, that being creative is fun, that people want to communicate with people, will happen eventually.
AI is not as impressive as most make it sound, and the increments in performance that they (openai, google, etc.) need, are exponential, and their efficiency optimizations are lacking way behind. They are trading money/energy for better results, by doing the same thing many times over as seen in the new o3 model, and it is not sustainable, it will slow down significantly.
I do a lot of programming, and the current best LLMs are orders of magnitudes away from solving the problems I solve, so that does not scare my. All the showcases are always, start a project for a calculator, or write snake, or generate a beautiful image of a river as the sun rises in the horizon. What I needs is "show me how to share memory allocation between zig and python, having zig control running the main function. I want to share allocated memory between zig arrays and python numpy arrays" and an artist using a generative model will have to ask something like "take this specific image of my character model, and place it standing behind a stool looking at this other character models hand, they look surprised, with a hint of sadness. In the background is X, lighting is like Y, flooring is like Z, etc, etc, etc"... They cannot do it, not even close, and they will not be able to for a looooong looong while. So I think we can chill for quite a while.
The AI slop we see will undergo a continued, but probably short, period of hype, with "impressive" results, but then it will fade, because everyone will know it is only the 80% of what was needed, the last 20% being impossible to obtain without a real artist in the back.
Cheer up Freya
A couple of rebuttals:
AI destroying search engines: this is a capitalism problem, and it started before AI with 80% of googles search results being sponsored links in some way. AI has accelerated their destruction because ChatGPT in many cases is a better drop in replacement for subpar sponsored search results. The search engines are killing themself, and someone is bound to try to solve this problem, possibly with a new search system indexing the internet differently, but it is not invented yet.
AI may create a virus that will kill humanity: It is technically possible that this will happen. I hope for a small event of this kind, which will show as a warning to the world how dangerous this is, but again, you cannot hallucinate a virus, so this has to come from something like Alphafold, which is not generative AI slop, and which is being used more carefully. I don't think this is an AI problem, but a problem of technology improving to a point where it becomes dangerous. Irrespective of AI, we may be moving towards one of the big filters hypothesis in cosmology, and that really scares me. AI may be accelerating it, but it was bound to happen anyways.
if you don't like they called AI then what you like it be called?
@@NLPprompter The AI terms is a hype term, but I otherwise don't mind its definition.
I work in Machine Learning (ML) and other related fields, and not in AI, but if I want to get a job, I better call it AI, even if what they ask for is ML or Data Engineering or Image Analysis/Porcessing or, ..., and that is my issue... I was just referring to myself :)
@@NLPprompter AI would be ok term if the "I" stood for "Imitation" (or "Interpolation").
Custom fitted and made shoes still exist and are valued. Mass produced shoes are very common. They are so common people could be excused in thinking that custom made shoes are not still a thing. Mass produced & standardized shoes provide the majority of what was needed. They also made it much more difficult for those that need something not provided by that standardization.
I think it is entirely possible that AI slop is here to stay, that it will be “good enough” for the cost paid to create it, people will grumble about their options, the market for fully trained experts will shrink, and the training pipeline for experts will have a large chasm between professionals and those trying to get started.
ai people are obsessing over agi when they havent even got the i part finished
mostly cause the general public decided to call llms and image generators ai (and they were lead to it by marketing)
Beautifully sums up my thoughts, and despite the subject matter, a beautiful video in general. So many people either just accept it without thoughts, or just go "Ai is a threat like terminator! Ai is going to hunt us down if we dont prepare!" while just ignoring all the obvious problems its already causing. I think it's going to get worse. I don't see a way the problem is going to be solved without it getting worse. But I also don't see a world where the fundamental human desire to create and experience art and stories is going to go away. This is really bad, but there's always been something really bad.
It’s rather ironic that we were so consistently told not to use Wikipedia as a source in school, while today it is one of the few places you are mostly guaranteed to find information written by real people who care about what they say. Is it always accurate? Of course not! But at least I know someone actually cared while writing.
I actually found a very easy solution to AI slop: Do not search for things in English. This is almost exclusively an English problem, because it's the most lucrative language to do this in. I have searched more in my native language this year than I have in the last decade.
That's great advice, thank you. I've been using English more regularly for digital things but I should try doing research in French instead to see how it goes. On y va !
That’s so smart!
This comment probably won't make sense to anyone, but even let alone searching for things, recently I've been feeling like I can't _think_ things through properly in English anymore (my native language), and have to retreat to thinking in my very unfluent heritage language (Chinese) to think things through properly.
I had no idea why this might have been the case. But, the idea that the quality of English material online is degrading, and by extension decreasing the quality of my own thinking in this language (since I conume so much online media in English only) is beginning to make sense to me.
It's really funny to me that this actually works now, since for the longest time I avoided searching technical topics in my native language due to the English results just being so much more recent and concise. Now it's almost flipped, since the English-speaking world had the misfortune of becoming prime real estate for AI slop ad revenue. Like, the Polish articles are still more out of date, but they're more useful 90% of the time.
this is a good idea but it looks like these websites are just using computer translation to publish the same thing in different languages - in the example from the video, searching in french still gives pixcap, visao and so on, just in french
Such an awesome video. I feel exactly the same. I'm a developer and keep seeing the tech bros shouting "if you ain't using AI to do bla bla, you ain't gonna make it", "adapt or get left behind" and I just can't understand how people are excited about it. How can people be excited that so many people will loose their livelihood? Its so crazy to me.
I've been depressed, and still am, I see no point in trying to improve my craft cuz "AI I can do it in a second".
I also resonate with your point about religion. My parents are religious and whenever I discuss it with them, they seem to be somewhat at peace, they say "Whatever the creator wrote, will happen, no point in overthinking and it'll happen to all of us, we'll be in this together". I don't know where I'm going with this, but, yeah, I wish I had this hope too, cuz for me I _know_ that big corps will be the only survivors, and these tech bros saying "AI or YAGMI" will survive for a bit longer, but, ultimately they'll see how cutthroat everything will be and NO ONE will make it (expect ppl at the top).
Idk what to say, I honestly want this to be over.
You do a great job talking about the main thing that makes me hopeless: AI is amazing at creating low effort garbage, and low effort garbage is what the people dumping money into it actually want. The worst thing about AI is actually the very thing people with the money and power to stop it have been striving for, and I don't see anything that can work against that.
AI really shows how big the flaws with capitalism are, and I don't see this changing without a massive overhaul to the entire economic system. Capitalism as it stands rewards cheap and rapid production that gets consumed quickly, and AI is simply the best tool for the job at that. It's just that the job in question is a massive perversion of the concept of human creation.
Companies dumping money into making products that no one wants is a self-solving problem. There would be a real danger if people actually liked AI slop, but beyond an initial reaction of "it's cool a computer can do that", actual humans looking for actual products don't seem thrilled. So I predict AI will consume "corporate art": ads and product box art and the like, things we all try to ignore anyway. Perhaps it will challenge human-made slop in other areas (like low-effort "react" content) as well. Not a big loss.
I think the real harm will come where we're forced to use already-low-quality services (like tech support call centers) which will inevitably keep getting worse thanks to AI. Areas where you haven no choice as a consumer are doomed to get even worse and more useless.
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Curiously enough, if you ask chatgpt how to convert .dll to .midi, it tells you the question doesn't make sense. All the generated slop is entirely on humans explicitly asking chatbots to make search engine optimized garbage.
@xviii5780 as much as i hate chatgpt, it's smarter than the AI slop we're reading online these days. it's like these seo companies are using some chatgpt wrapper made by some pointless third party, that uses an outdated limited gpt model
I think that this problem with bloating of search results is there for longer than chatgpt, maybe from mid-2010s it started growing progressively worse, especially if you don't know what you're looking for (like file formats, hehe). Some sites were full of SEO content, some were just copied posts from stackoverflow or documentation. But it surely was not as bad as it is now.
All of a sudden I have to acknowledge that UA-cam videos are becoming a better alternative to all this mess, even though text posts are supposed to be easier to make for humans, more time-saving. Bloated with ads too, but here you can still feel people being passionate.
(Comments are mostly dead when it comes to viral and political content though).
Thanks Freya for sharing this, it's really nice to feel that you are not alone in this thoughts.
youtube has also gotten worse
like dramatically so, in basically every regard
Yes, I’m actually convinced the first page is entirely written by basic web scrapers and outsourced humans to funnel people into their platform. Look at how every header is a common search query, and everything has steps even if not really necessary. This is all SEO optimization, which I ironically haven’t seen ai do. Also ai doesn’t really write with gramatical errors.
The problem isn’t ai itself, it’s how easy to game SEO is.
Every time big money comes in, it corrupts the space.
The tragedy of GenAI is how *exorbitantly cheaper* it makes manufacturing SEO trash, at scale.
@@hartvenus wow, whitehat SEO is not easy and never was. Do you think other 9 mil results for that query didn't want to be in top1? "Headers with queries" are only the surface that you see
Yeah seriously, web results have been filled with slop for over half a decade at this point. Thankfully now I have LLMs to sift through that slop for me ;)
Good to see the "advertising wrapper around open source tool" part of the internet has adopted AI
We predicted this Ai nonsense a couple of decades ago. Especially problematic is false Ai generated copyright claims against content that was generated by real humans.
I wrote my thesis related to the 3d view and finished it last week. And the most challenging thing when sourcins was that its ridicilously hard to find sources written by people. When i needed to source atlassing i spent way too much time looking for an article that wasnt ai slop. İts good that you put attention to it