Instead of ad reads, my channel is funded directly by people passionate about the Great Books. Help me keep making more episodes with a paid subscription: johnathanbi.com Some links to further guide your study: * Join my email list to be notified of future episodes: greatbooks.io * Full transcript: open.substack.com/pub/johnathanbi/p/transcript-for-robert-pippin-interview?r=2mzsg Companion lectures & interviews: * Nietzsche's On the Genealogy of Morality: ua-cam.com/video/M0w2eQ-FcEA/v-deo.html Professor Pippin's Book (affiliate) * Nietzsche, Psychology, and First Philosophy: amzn.to/4bEvp2W * My book notes: open.substack.com/pub/johnathanbi/p/nietzsche-psychology-and-first-philosophy?r=l66v& TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 0. Introduction 00:02:55 1. What is Nihilism 00:20:24 2.1 The Causes of Nihilism: The Wrong Kind of Truth 00:37:13 2.2 The Causes of Nihilism: Deficiency of Self-Contempt 00:43:53 3.1 The Solutions to Nihilism: Self-Overcoming 00:50:55 3.2 The Solutions to Nihilism: Literature Over Philosophy 00:56:54 3.3 The Solutions to Nihilism: The Ideal of Montaigne 01:01:32 4. Nietzsche's Failure to Overcome Nihilism
These conversations are what I LIVED for. I've missed this ever since I graduated and got busy in real life. I would love to connect with you if possible and discuss philosophy! These videos are on repeat in my headphones everyday now. They are food for my soul. With so much garbage on youtube, I am so grateful to have found your channel.
how about actually do something! talk is talk create something organize people to create new ideas or new things. it's enough people talking trying to sound smart.
You are an intellectual slave if you think the best way to consume philosophy is to have someone tell you about the writings of a philosopher rather than just reading their works yourself.
@@muz1658All the teachings have been doctored by the lizard people. The only way to consume philosophy is by going within. When you do this, several entities will stop you by distracting you from seeking the truth. They would inject thoughts that you would be swayed away by. But if you are able to push through it all, the other side holds immortality.
I'm a 20 year old undergrad student studying computer science, and llike Jonathan, I've become disillusioned with my probable career path. This lecture has truly been eye-opening to me because it is the first time that I've truly engaged with Nietzsche's ideas. I've taken over a page of notes so far and there is a lot that I have to think about. Jonathan, I think these videos and lectures are awesome and I look forward to more, especially on Nietzsche!
If you want to truly engage with Nietzsche's ideas, you would do much better off reading his books directly - or are you not capable of forming your own opinions on his philosophy?
Love it how the professor says he didn’t become famous for the right reason, but Nietzsche actually predicted the horrors committed in his name. He is being validated exactly as deserved in our modern era, we are half way through the nihilism timeline as he predicted.
Thank you for making and sharing this. Listening to Pippin's later remarks in the conversation, about Hegel and against Nietzsche, made me think of Bernard Williams's similar observations: We "need each other" as Williams memorably put it in Truth and Truthfulness, "in order to be anybody." It's also fascinating to hear Pippin say so emphatically that the true problem isn't nihilism, it's global capitalism; I didn't expect such an unequivocal embrace of the view that the apparent philosophical problem is in reality merely a social one. I'm tempted to say that Pippin's resignation to the idea that all we can do is preserve is itself a symptom of nihilism. (Final thought: perhaps you might interview Miranda Fricker or Sophie Grace Chappell or Nikhil Krishnan or Vlad Vexler on Bernard Williams.)
One of the best answers to the dilemma of reconciling Nietzschean projects of self-creation with having a fair and just society I have seen have been by the American philosopher Richard Rorty (in his book "Contingency, Irony, and Solidarity"). Basically, he makes a distinction in the Nietzschean projects in the private realm and the public realm: Nietzschean projects of self-creation are fine and great at the level of the individual's private projects. But you must be mindful that these projects do not hurt others in the society in which you live. Now that is often impossible- for example a brain surgeon going through years of grueling training will create a burden on their family. Many of them get divorced by the end of their training. But the point is to realize that YOUR individual projects are not necessarily everyone else's, and if you want to live in society, it does require some juggling, some give-and-take, some uneasy compromising- and we humans are social animals. We need to live in a society (well, most of us). That's why personal ambition as a Nietzschean project and ideal is considered great, but Nazi/Machiavellian attempts to impose one's visions on a whole society are not. Even Nietzsche felt lonely sometimes. It's the kind of uneasy juggling and compromise between conflicting, but often equally legitimate ideals that Isaiah Berlin talks about in his essay "The Pursuit of the Ideal" (his idea of "objective pluralism"). That is why Camus probably had it right the best: the whole thing is absurd. It's not a good puzzle. All the pieces don't fit together perfectly. Who said they should. We all do the best we can, and it's always doomed to be imperfect. That doesn't mean it can't be done in better or worse ways- but just that it can't ever be perfect. It's always doomed to fail, like Sisyphus' task. But "one must imagine Sisyphus happy".
Great interview. But can you also upload an unedited version of the interview? It seems Robert Pippin got cut short in multiple occasions when he was trying to elaborate his point and things started to get really interesting. We don’t mind the lengthiness of the interview. It doesn’t have to be completely and uniformly structured. Part of engaging in intellectual dialogue like this is its improvisation and spontaneity
Thanks for the feedback. This was indeed edited down from 2 hours to what it is now to give it more coherence. It was less so elaboration or spontaneity that was cut out and more so unrelated tangents. Regardless your point stands
Curious to see how other people view philosophy? Jonathan said in the discussion he views it as a way to guide him towards a purpose to throw himself towards I’ve found philosophy to be a place of comfort in knowing the questions and concerns I have with simply existing are not unique and billions of other souls are just as curious as I am to assign values and hear how others perceive the meaning they’ve assigned to their own lives Being and Nothingness by Jean Paul Sartre is a book I hope Jonathan discusses in the near future
I believe it has great importance in assessing how to shift your paradigms you’re currently in in life but it doesn’t travel that road for you. Like it won’t show you in of itself how to energetically embrace life and tap into your higher/greater being. That takes natural curiosity to jump into and be brave. Realizing you don’t need to conform and that you are life itself and venturing to expand beyond current limits with intentional composed focus of course so you’re not all over the place like people are on smartphones/media addiction.
I tend to think of philosophy as broadly explaining reality and how it works. If I take that approach then all religions also offer interpretation of reality. So all philosophy is ultimately tested by how well it can explain our reality and help us make useful predictions. Nietzsche is only useful in the modernity context where “God is dead”. He laments the lack of purpose inherent in religions. So in our post-God world there is no single authority that explains it all. Science ultimately explains the how but not the why. And now in a globalised world all of philosophy is like a melting point which only adds to the confusion. So I think the direction of philosophy of the future is we’ll need new prophets and new revelations to make sense of the senseless.
I think concerning this video and the idea of lacking purpose in modernity, Nietzsche seems to be a good choice, at least as a starting point and not a sole source of critiquing modernity. I don't like speaking for Nietzsche, I'm speaking for myself here, but similar to taking a very good map, you can see the terrain but you don't really know something as simple as "blue mountains" turning out to be kinda purple. If you find beauty in the description of the red wine sea, why does it matter how accurate is it? There's multiple things working in a Nietzscheans favor for exploring exciting philosophy in my opinion. Nietzsche is still very prominent and I think people like this host throwing themselves into philosophy because of his texts is a good thing but I don't think to read Nietzsche is to walk away with capital T truths about the world that you can then apply to all every other area of philosophy. The useful thing to me is to take his philosophy and give it a "meaning" or a story like he does in various of his texts. Of course there's lots of things you can take from him but that's just where I've ended up with him. I'm interested in how philosophy develops going from general propositions about the world, arguments for and against conclusions and if there's anything interesting that has been said outside of those. Remarkably I never get far away from that but go figure I'm not a professional philosopher. Mostly I like the suspicious character of philosophy, I find it very entertaining to run into ideas that have no answers and only possibilities. The possibility for something to be true is enough for me to want to investigate more and justifications for those non-answers based on somethingn as flimsy as human reasoning (not saying every thing philosophy or science is flimsy but specifically those areas that are) is simply peak human thought to me.
i will be buying that book!! I have be paradoxically searching for that which inspires me enough that searching becomes irrelevant and becomes more like revelation that calls to me. I will broaden my literary tastes for a starter and see if there is anything of the underlying Gestalt that demands investigation. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. Great content by the way!!
You're videos popped after having searched for Nietzsche's the gay science. Robert Greene recommended. I like your style it doesn't feel stuffy or convoluted and that you ask questions the common person would very interesting and entertaining
This is why in the Bible, Nebuchadnezzer had to change Daniels name which means "God is my judge" to Belteshazzar, which means "Bel protects my life." In an attempt to change Daniel's identity. So much meaning is in a name, ancient thinkers understood this better than we do.
Grace and a Karma are one and the same. Grace is the culmination the “escape” if you will from a karmic loop. Grace requires a contrite heart and the intention of doing right from the point of its recognition. And once grace is achieved it resolves itself to a new karmic loop, which has its own perils and traps in stagnation. Once overcome it resolves itself in grace again beginning a never ending cycle of growth and contraction. The concept of hell or damnation becomes the result of resentment it keeps one trapped in nihilism. It is the pursuit of the next level with a contrite heart that breaks the nihilistic loop and creates a gracious loop. What most of the western Philosophers missed is that it’s not one or the other it’s both. The willingness to break beyond the mundane knowing full well that there will danger and failure and rejection…. There will also be temptation to leave behind the contrite heart for simple hedonistic pleasures. Each time learning and overcoming a new temptation. Each time growing beyond the pursuit of the object, the being, the situation or the circumstance. The final realization that yields a kind of enlightenment is that the pursuit of the eternal does not negate the receipt of the temporal. Rather the receipt of the temporal object, being, situation, and circumstance is simply a mere result of the pursuit of the eternal. If I pursue knowledge which as far as we know is infinite and eternal the result can be objects when put to purpose. If I seek care love and concern for others embedded in wisdom the result will be beings who exhibit those qualities back in each of those 4 kinds of love that humans pursue. If I seek causes greater than myself also embedded in wisdom I will find myself in new situations. And finally if I pursue the sublime and the Divine with a focus on truly understanding and applying what can be ascertained, well , that is a pursuit that yields new circumstances. The bi-product therefore of the pursuit of the eternal is the temporal. Fall in love with process of pursuit and be granted the riches it yields. When this love of the pursuit is achieved in all 4 quadrants of life the spiritual, the emotional, the physical, and the financial … The results are material and recognized by others automatically.
But people can make technology for only the sole purpose of making it, not always necessarily because you want to better society. Some people like creating for the sole purpose of creating.
Never understood the appeal of having the camera show the host nodding and listening. Strikes me as narcissism. I'd rather look at the speaker and focus on what they have to say.
To Waste Existence I wonder, what shall become waste within human entities? As, said entities seek simplistic existence, what shall such, attempt to be? What shall become of thee? For, I wonder is waste, tethered to that of reality? Does that which the human create, simply exist as, waste? For, I wonder, does the simplicity of an artificial existence, lead only to senseless accumulation? To the human, existing absent why, whilst tethering oneself to creation. For, in truth, may we simply be beings of nature? To take oneself from such, may not only disrupt, but, of course, irrevocably alter the way which the human seeks. For, that which exist as artificial, in truth, simply externalizes that of the organism. Meaning, it would seem the human, simply seeks, itself. Rationalizing ways to exist tethered to the human, whilst claiming said existence is tethered to externalities. For, that of competition, is a simple internal existence, relating to that of the organisms, reproductive intention. For, each entity exist tethered to "Winning". Being, that which exist as a zygote. The forming of an entity, now tethered to being. Tethered, to the simplicity of, that which exist as, existence itself. That of replication. That which drives survival, and, procreation. Simply to exist, externally. To be that which is simply able to be. For, within that of competition, as it relates to the external. There seems to be three forms which, human entities continously exist tethered. The first, I would simply deem, "Full Cycle". Within that of the "Full Cycle", that which represents the phallic system takes the form of, the arm, the leg, the club, the bat, the hockey stick. Each existing tethered to, that of a deliver system. That which propels, semen as it attempts to reach the egg. Such an existence is represented, within that of the, ball, the goal, the net. The moment where procreation is actualized, and, existence begins. The second form of externalizing internal reproductive intention, one deems simply, the "Race" stage. Within such, there is only a race to exist as number one. The simplicity of being first. Such an existence is plainly seen within, of course, racing. That of nascar, track. That of, swimming, a marathon. Each existing tethered to the simplicity of being dynamic beings, seeking only to be first. To be that which moves, simply to be that which, exist. The third stage of externalizing, that which exist as internal, relating to that of the organism. Is, of course, existence itself. Within, that of the "Existence" stage, said organism seeks simplistic violence. For, there can only the one. One tethered to being. One able to exist, within, that of the egg. Such an existence was seen plainly in the, coliseum. Where as, gladiators fought to be beings. To be that which, draws breath. To be tethered to, existence. Of course one sees such, within, that of, fighting. That of war, the simplicity of conflict. Each and every combat situation essentially exist in such a way. As to create, the simplicity, of existence. I wonder, since such is tethered to actuality, what truly does the human, create? How is such an existence not tethered to waste, if, within such, be not, even a human mind? Not even the ability to exist as such a kind. For, of course, each human entity tethered to creating such realities, knew not of, why. For, all deem such to be apart of, human life. To be, that which matters. But, of course, such could never matter. Could never be, that which one deems, not only substantive, but, tethered to that of rationality. For, I deem all that exist, absent a mind. Absent, simplistic contemplation leading to immense comprehension, to be tethered to, nothing. Nothing but, uselessness. Nothing but, senseless ascension. Nothing but, a, wasteful, existence...
The conversation is the most cynical and nihilistic thing I’ve been. Technology isn’t about the truth. It’s about increasing the number of non-zero sum games we can play. This guest seems like he knows even less about technology than philosophy.
Great discussion. The conclusion is disappointing. Pippin’s answer to hide in academia and basically become a libraran is exactly why there are still so many flaws with no change in sight. Hiding on a college campus is not the real world explains how out of touch with reality intellectuals are today. People need to go out and participate in life put theory into practice gain true knowledge through risk and experience. There are many ways to do this by engaging in higher public service, political office, law, military, business, law enforcement, healthcare, be the change and bring leadership to the parts of society that will catapult us all to the next level. Not hide and focus on preserving old texts. Which is important but shouldn’t be your only and main goal.. As for Nietzsche being a loser we can agree on that but at least in his madness he aimed high. Pippin aiming low is just plan sad and cowardly especially being competent enough to know better. As a society we are capable of more than that. Many people are afraid of being more because the weak and the herd will be left behind. From the few political comments Pippin made he exposed himself as someone who is for the weak and the herd. With that mentality, no wonder it is so easy to stand out and succeed today. I look forward to hearing more discussions with Mr. Bi, great stuff.
Not Incompatible…. Panentheism allows you to speak the language of either conditionally… they are both true… it’s not the goal of religion to be in a religion…. The goal of the religion is to find and be in the will of God…
Distasteful that in multiple interviews you have conducted, these men have denigrated the grand pursuits of those like Elon Musk, Bezos; the extremely successful entrepreneurs of our time!
Western humanity already expired. Everyone can smell it. Philosophy means “not being honest about it” - and it’s called marketing, advertising, and the state (Power) lol
Jonathan is either too full of himself or too naive. I hope the later otherwise just pity for another opportunity to do something great, dying off to the hustle culture
Nihilism does not exist. It is an adjective. How long does this Nihilism last? Moments? By what criteria do you define Nihilism? Something like (insert hand waving) when nothing means anything to a singular person and he adopts that as his philosophy. This world is indeed absurd. Apparently, there is great meaning in nice suits, lavish old furniture and neat hair with the obligatory unread books as part of the background, and some piano music. Apparently if we engage with "the texts" which texts? The buy bull with the talking snake and magic apples...we can delude ourselves into saying we learned something because we now have delusions about our own delusions. I'm a man of science and I find "great meaning" in drinking a Pepsi and knowing that I do indeed find my carbonated high fructose infused soft beverage delightful. It means a great deal to me because I am addicted to the crap. Now, music has NO particular meaning whatsoever and in any way shape or form does music have a meaning on its own, but you included it in your video, didn't you? Where is this elusive "great meaning" and how can we word salad it into a physical manifestation? The meaning of my own life is very very simple to state: I want to, in some small way, some how, make this world a better place while I am on this Earth and alive. That's my meaning. That is my purpose. I need neither sky daddy nor to delude myself with pseudo intellectual nonsense in order to achieve that. So far I have saved 8 lives from near instant death or the destruction of people's lives. They are alive today because I was there and I wasn't considering the meaning of anything other than....two (separate occasions) runaway trucks, somebody choking to death, and somebody in the beginning stages of dying from hypothermia. I've put out fires before they got out of hand. I've helped my fellow human beings wherever I could. The "great meaningness" or "meaning" or "meaningfullness" of it all? It stems from a singular idea: NOBODY, BUT NOBODY rises to the top on their own, succeeds on their own, or survives on their own. We all need each other in order to survive. Any meaning we make up along the way is just entertainment within our meaty brains. Because the rocks will never care if we have meaning or not. We are here today, and someday that will change. The end.
I agree with you - utterly everything is saturated with meaning except Pepsi, Coca Cola is better. When people say nihilism, I can only think of the tragedy of something like Cotards syndrome [which is extremely rare in any case] when person thinks they are dead. (Type of deluded hallucination along with confabulation) Otherwise, nihilistic "philosophers" have all sorts of meaningful purposes such as writing books and publishing them. Not to mix up nihilism with relativism, anarchy or skepticism- all quite different pathways.
1:54 No. Nihilism is NOT a disease, and now you are just lying at worst, and using hyperbole at best. Weasel words like "more and more people are feeling this way" is not evidence to support your claim. Currently, right now, in "Modernity" there are people making the clothes you will wear in the future, and growing the food you will eat, and making things to entertain you, so let's show some gratitude because they don't get to wear nice suits and make youtube videos and pretend to be urbane and educated. (Spoiler alert, your material wouldn't even sum up a single course or even the chapter of a course on a college campus). Don't you think other people have thought of these things before you did? Do you somehow believe that the Victorian Era was somehow superior and the height of civilization? Which period was it that was somehow the "ideal" to which we should all miss and weap for now that it is gone? I think that maybe just maybe people idealize the past. Spoiler alert, "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" are works of fiction and the world as portrayed in those television shows was NOT that way even during the time of production. People feel "disaffected" by the world they live in because maybe, just maybe, they dreamed too big and had their dreams shattered. Perhaps just perhaps somebody got the job the promotion and the acclaim they deserved because of favoritism by a faction or a church towards somebody else. Every single age and every single society is dystopian because NONE of them are utopian. Most of the video is going to be a bunch of mental masturbation because the guy lost me with his dishonest approach in the first two minutes. And I am not going to subscribe or watch the rest of it. Enjoy fawning over yourselves! Good luck.
Make your points without vitriol if you want to have a discussion. Maybe work on your resentment. Guest has written many books and may know something we don't know yet
Dude if you want my advice as a 25 year know nothing I’d say trust & act on your intentions and your instincts TODAY. If you want to be a pilot start reading books and looking for the best academy today. If you want to be jacked start eating a hefty meaty diet and doing intense workouts today. If you want to know big words like inculcate and dynasticism start reading classic novels today. Don’t wait seize your youth and your vitality. Everyday we’re only getting older but if you begin your ascend, your inward journey, your life adventure NOW you will be something quite formidable come your 20s 30s whatever. And be formidable today by choosing life and beauty and excitement and instinct. Only the best! -Josh Oh yes and philosophy is only a mental exercise, it’s a playground of the mind, the real thing is right in front of you 24/7 waiting to be known acutely.
I don’t understand this man; if he is against slaves morality as he calls it weak and degrading. How come then he went mad by witnessing a beaten horse ? If he denies free will - all the definitions of free will - then the salves will always be as they are and never upgrade to superman. ? There is a distinction between not having a truth of things beyond phenomenology and to deny any truth at all.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 0. Introduction
00:02:55 1. What is Nihilism
00:20:24 2.1 The Causes of Nihilism: The Wrong Kind of Truth
00:37:13 2.2 The Causes of Nihilism: Deficiency of Self-Contempt
00:43:53 3.1 The Solutions to Nihilism: Self-Overcoming
00:50:55 3.2 The Solutions to Nihilism: Literature Over Philosophy
00:56:54 3.3 The Solutions to Nihilism: The Ideal of Montaigne
01:01:32 4. Nietzsche's Failure to Overcome Nihilism
this is the kind of cinematography that Philosophy deserves
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These conversations are what I LIVED for. I've missed this ever since I graduated and got busy in real life. I would love to connect with you if possible and discuss philosophy! These videos are on repeat in my headphones everyday now. They are food for my soul.
With so much garbage on youtube, I am so grateful to have found your channel.
Johnathan B have you ever read Max Stirner? Given your devotion to dedicating yourself to a passion?
What kind of philosophy are you interested in?
how about actually do something! talk is talk create something organize people to create new ideas or new things. it's enough people talking trying to sound smart.
Thanks
It’s the first channel that I’ve come across with well spoken men. It’s refreshing
The achievement of going to Mars is not in the physical act of being on Mars, but the overcoming of the ego for humanity and surviving our m.a.d.
You need to get out more.
johnathan bi is the goat for bringing this to life, my favorite way to consume philosophy.
You are an intellectual slave if you think the best way to consume philosophy is to have someone tell you about the writings of a philosopher rather than just reading their works yourself.
@@muz1658All the teachings have been doctored by the lizard people.
The only way to consume philosophy is by going within.
When you do this, several entities will stop you by distracting you from seeking the truth. They would inject thoughts that you would be swayed away by.
But if you are able to push through it all, the other side holds immortality.
Thank you sir for uploading such deep high quality content, surely would love to see more of Nietzsche from your perspective ❤
Incredible work. My favorite interview yet. Keep it up.
Nice work, gentlemen.
my favourite podcast commenting one of my favourite lecturers!
Stunning background (visual)! Also I appreciate your take on this topic.
Keep it up Jonathan. These videos satisfy a thirst I did not know I had.
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Is that brother Malcolm?
Heck yes, getting this notification made my week - don’t stop!!
thank you for the well produced episode, nice conversation. Please continue making videos about Nietzsche and maybe some Baudrillard!
It's 17:50 pm here in South Africa ❤thank you sir.
Thank you for introducing me to Mr. Pippin and his work.
Tremendous channel 👍
The production is commendable
I'm a 20 year old undergrad student studying computer science, and llike Jonathan, I've become disillusioned with my probable career path.
This lecture has truly been eye-opening to me because it is the first time that I've truly engaged with Nietzsche's ideas. I've taken over a page of notes so far and there is a lot that I have to think about.
Jonathan, I think these videos and lectures are awesome and I look forward to more, especially on Nietzsche!
If you want to truly engage with Nietzsche's ideas, you would do much better off reading his books directly - or are you not capable of forming your own opinions on his philosophy?
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Bro just read the books yourself lol
@@muz1658that's something Nietzsche would say 🤣.
I would start with Will to Power from the man with cool stache. But I would not start my philosophical journey with Nietzsche, that's just me.
Thank you, please keep up the great work.
Love it how the professor says he didn’t become famous for the right reason, but Nietzsche actually predicted the horrors committed in his name. He is being validated exactly as deserved in our modern era, we are half way through the nihilism timeline as he predicted.
The opening statement was beautiful
What an amazing channel this is. Truely Amazing.
Johnathan is asking great questions
Gorgeous discussion, this is content worth investing time with.
Have a conversation about Heidegger. Pippins turn towards Heidegger from Hegal is interesting.
Thank you for making and sharing this. Listening to Pippin's later remarks in the conversation, about Hegel and against Nietzsche, made me think of Bernard Williams's similar observations: We "need each other" as Williams memorably put it in Truth and Truthfulness, "in order to be anybody." It's also fascinating to hear Pippin say so emphatically that the true problem isn't nihilism, it's global capitalism; I didn't expect such an unequivocal embrace of the view that the apparent philosophical problem is in reality merely a social one. I'm tempted to say that Pippin's resignation to the idea that all we can do is preserve is itself a symptom of nihilism. (Final thought: perhaps you might interview Miranda Fricker or Sophie Grace Chappell or Nikhil Krishnan or Vlad Vexler on Bernard Williams.)
Is it capitalism or consumerism? or is there no distinction in practice?
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I eat this shit up for some reason. Man found a perfect Niche and is the embodiment of an educated millennial.
One of the best answers to the dilemma of reconciling Nietzschean projects of self-creation with having a fair and just society I have seen have been by the American philosopher Richard Rorty (in his book "Contingency, Irony, and Solidarity"). Basically, he makes a distinction in the Nietzschean projects in the private realm and the public realm: Nietzschean projects of self-creation are fine and great at the level of the individual's private projects. But you must be mindful that these projects do not hurt others in the society in which you live. Now that is often impossible- for example a brain surgeon going through years of grueling training will create a burden on their family. Many of them get divorced by the end of their training. But the point is to realize that YOUR individual projects are not necessarily everyone else's, and if you want to live in society, it does require some juggling, some give-and-take, some uneasy compromising- and we humans are social animals. We need to live in a society (well, most of us). That's why personal ambition as a Nietzschean project and ideal is considered great, but Nazi/Machiavellian attempts to impose one's visions on a whole society are not. Even Nietzsche felt lonely sometimes. It's the kind of uneasy juggling and compromise between conflicting, but often equally legitimate ideals that Isaiah Berlin talks about in his essay "The Pursuit of the Ideal" (his idea of "objective pluralism").
That is why Camus probably had it right the best: the whole thing is absurd. It's not a good puzzle. All the pieces don't fit together perfectly. Who said they should. We all do the best we can, and it's always doomed to be imperfect. That doesn't mean it can't be done in better or worse ways- but just that it can't ever be perfect. It's always doomed to fail, like Sisyphus' task. But "one must imagine Sisyphus happy".
Great interview. But can you also upload an unedited version of the interview? It seems Robert Pippin got cut short in multiple occasions when he was trying to elaborate his point and things started to get really interesting. We don’t mind the lengthiness of the interview. It doesn’t have to be completely and uniformly structured. Part of engaging in intellectual dialogue like this is its improvisation and spontaneity
Thanks for the feedback. This was indeed edited down from 2 hours to what it is now to give it more coherence. It was less so elaboration or spontaneity that was cut out and more so unrelated tangents. Regardless your point stands
@@bi.johnathan Thanks for the reply. Please keep up the good work and look forward to your future contents. Always a joy to watch.
@@bi.johnathanI asked months ago and this would be my second time. How can I dress like you?
I am Enlightened.
Curious to see how other people view philosophy? Jonathan said in the discussion he views it as a way to guide him towards a purpose to throw himself towards
I’ve found philosophy to be a place of comfort in knowing the questions and concerns I have with simply existing are not unique and billions of other souls are just as curious as I am to assign values and hear how others perceive the meaning they’ve assigned to their own lives
Being and Nothingness by Jean Paul Sartre is a book I hope Jonathan discusses in the near future
I believe it has great importance in assessing how to shift your paradigms you’re currently in in life but it doesn’t travel that road for you. Like it won’t show you in of itself how to energetically embrace life and tap into your higher/greater being. That takes natural curiosity to jump into and be brave. Realizing you don’t need to conform and that you are life itself and venturing to expand beyond current limits with intentional composed focus of course so you’re not all over the place like people are on smartphones/media addiction.
I tend to think of philosophy as broadly explaining reality and how it works. If I take that approach then all religions also offer interpretation of reality. So all philosophy is ultimately tested by how well it can explain our reality and help us make useful predictions. Nietzsche is only useful in the modernity context where “God is dead”. He laments the lack of purpose inherent in religions. So in our post-God world there is no single authority that explains it all. Science ultimately explains the how but not the why. And now in a globalised world all of philosophy is like a melting point which only adds to the confusion. So I think the direction of philosophy of the future is we’ll need new prophets and new revelations to make sense of the senseless.
I think concerning this video and the idea of lacking purpose in modernity, Nietzsche seems to be a good choice, at least as a starting point and not a sole source of critiquing modernity. I don't like speaking for Nietzsche, I'm speaking for myself here, but similar to taking a very good map, you can see the terrain but you don't really know something as simple as "blue mountains" turning out to be kinda purple. If you find beauty in the description of the red wine sea, why does it matter how accurate is it? There's multiple things working in a Nietzscheans favor for exploring exciting philosophy in my opinion. Nietzsche is still very prominent and I think people like this host throwing themselves into philosophy because of his texts is a good thing but I don't think to read Nietzsche is to walk away with capital T truths about the world that you can then apply to all every other area of philosophy. The useful thing to me is to take his philosophy and give it a "meaning" or a story like he does in various of his texts. Of course there's lots of things you can take from him but that's just where I've ended up with him. I'm interested in how philosophy develops going from general propositions about the world, arguments for and against conclusions and if there's anything interesting that has been said outside of those. Remarkably I never get far away from that but go figure I'm not a professional philosopher. Mostly I like the suspicious character of philosophy, I find it very entertaining to run into ideas that have no answers and only possibilities. The possibility for something to be true is enough for me to want to investigate more and justifications for those non-answers based on somethingn as flimsy as human reasoning (not saying every thing philosophy or science is flimsy but specifically those areas that are) is simply peak human thought to me.
i will be buying that book!! I have be paradoxically searching for that which inspires me enough that searching becomes irrelevant and becomes more like revelation that calls to me. I will broaden my literary tastes for a starter and see if there is anything of the underlying Gestalt that demands investigation. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. Great content by the way!!
Mr Johnathan your video is not seen cause you thumbnail please try to change that . i love your content a lot
love this.
Gold! ⭐️ do one on Montaigne please.. 🙏
Phenomenal
Seems like Nietzsches solution is similar to that of Sigmund Freuds. Life is tragic and yet we still go on and on.
Explore J Krishnamurti's work if you want to explore philosophy from "how to live?" perspective. You can start with book "think on these things"
You're videos popped after having searched for Nietzsche's the gay science. Robert Greene recommended. I like your style it doesn't feel stuffy or convoluted and that you ask questions the common person would very interesting and entertaining
I’m trepidatious about listening to an old dude talk about nietzschean ideas but here I am
Which book of literature inspired dr pippin
Please include the video footage in your Spotify content.
I'm glad you were able to use the Nietzsche image in your thumbnail. It took a ton of time to restore it!
Better than scrolling for shootouts
Damn my bro here is cooking!! Let him cook!
Nietzsche's irony was that was just like Socrates and never had children.
I hate to sound like Rand here but could it be that it is BECAUSE one has power, that it no longer matters to them?
Your modesty is reflected in your name.
This is why in the Bible, Nebuchadnezzer had to change Daniels name which means "God is my judge" to Belteshazzar, which means "Bel protects my life." In an attempt to change Daniel's identity. So much meaning is in a name, ancient thinkers understood this better than we do.
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If nihilism is true, then the means in which I came to the conclusion of nihilism is meaningless.
haha love that - "nihilism is erectile dysfunction of the soul!"
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Grace and a Karma are one and the same. Grace is the culmination the “escape” if you will from a karmic loop. Grace requires a contrite heart and the intention of doing right from the point of its recognition. And once grace is achieved it resolves itself to a new karmic loop, which has its own perils and traps in stagnation. Once overcome it resolves itself in grace again beginning a never ending cycle of growth and contraction. The concept of hell or damnation becomes the result of resentment it keeps one trapped in nihilism. It is the pursuit of the next level with a contrite heart that breaks the nihilistic loop and creates a gracious loop.
What most of the western Philosophers missed is that it’s not one or the other it’s both. The willingness to break beyond the mundane knowing full well that there will danger and failure and rejection…. There will also be temptation to leave behind the contrite heart for simple hedonistic pleasures. Each time learning and overcoming a new temptation. Each time growing beyond the pursuit of the object, the being, the situation or the circumstance.
The final realization that yields a kind of enlightenment is that the pursuit of the eternal does not negate the receipt of the temporal. Rather the receipt of the temporal object, being, situation, and circumstance is simply a mere result of the pursuit of the eternal.
If I pursue knowledge which as far as we know is infinite and eternal the result can be objects when put to purpose.
If I seek care love and concern for others embedded in wisdom the result will be beings who exhibit those qualities back in each of those 4 kinds of love that humans pursue.
If I seek causes greater than myself also embedded in wisdom I will find myself in new situations.
And finally if I pursue the sublime and the Divine with a focus on truly understanding and applying what can be ascertained, well , that is a pursuit that yields new circumstances.
The bi-product therefore of the pursuit of the eternal is the temporal.
Fall in love with process of pursuit and be granted the riches it yields.
When this love of the pursuit is achieved in all 4 quadrants of life the spiritual, the emotional, the physical, and the financial … The results are material and recognized by others automatically.
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I don't think you guys understand what Niztche was up to. Just your own interpretation...
But people can make technology for only the sole purpose of making it, not always necessarily because you want to better society. Some people like creating for the sole purpose of creating.
But how to Overcoming Nihilism with someone consider to have nihilistic ways?
1:02:33
The only corner of western authenticity and devotion left IS Nietzsche.
And so Zarathustra began his downgoing
These interviews (w Pippin, Neuhouser, etc.) are excellent, but please stop interrupting your interviewees when they are mid-sentence.
Never in an interview has the host made more sense than the guest
39:38
But how is it possible to Overcome Nihilism with someone that was known to push Nihilistic ideas?
I was disappointed to hear he teaches Hegel. it sounds like a complete waste of time. Great talk, I enjoyed listening.
Never understood the appeal of having the camera show the host nodding and listening. Strikes me as narcissism. I'd rather look at the speaker and focus on what they have to say.
Narcissism notwithstanding, it’s to hide cuts in the editing process
If philosophy is a waste of our time then what should we read instead? Obviously, great literature, but which?
Maybe nothing just do push-ups instead
Read the idiot by Dostoevsky in between sets though
Bad audio, good video, good interview
existential meaning lies somewhere between madness and mysticism. like its mostly just an intuition.
“Nietzsche would regard that as…”
Hah!
To Waste Existence
I wonder,
what shall become waste within human entities?
As,
said entities seek simplistic existence,
what shall such,
attempt to be?
What shall become of thee?
For,
I wonder is waste,
tethered to that of reality?
Does that which the human create,
simply exist as,
waste?
For,
I wonder,
does the simplicity of an artificial existence,
lead only to senseless accumulation?
To the human,
existing absent why,
whilst tethering oneself to creation.
For,
in truth,
may we simply be beings of nature?
To take oneself from such,
may not only disrupt,
but,
of course,
irrevocably alter the way which the human seeks.
For,
that which exist as artificial,
in truth,
simply externalizes that of the organism.
Meaning,
it would seem the human,
simply seeks,
itself.
Rationalizing ways to exist tethered to the human,
whilst claiming said existence is tethered to externalities.
For,
that of competition,
is a simple internal existence,
relating to that of the organisms,
reproductive intention.
For,
each entity exist tethered to "Winning".
Being,
that which exist as a zygote.
The forming of an entity,
now tethered to being.
Tethered,
to the simplicity of,
that which exist as,
existence itself.
That of replication.
That which drives survival,
and,
procreation.
Simply to exist,
externally.
To be that which is simply able to be.
For,
within that of competition,
as it relates to the external.
There seems to be three forms which,
human entities continously exist tethered.
The first,
I would simply deem,
"Full Cycle".
Within that of the "Full Cycle",
that which represents the phallic system takes the form of,
the arm,
the leg,
the club,
the bat,
the hockey stick.
Each existing tethered to,
that of a deliver system.
That which propels,
semen as it attempts to reach the egg.
Such an existence is represented,
within that of the,
ball,
the goal,
the net.
The moment where procreation is actualized,
and,
existence begins.
The second form of externalizing internal reproductive intention,
one deems simply,
the "Race" stage.
Within such,
there is only a race to exist as number one.
The simplicity of being first.
Such an existence is plainly seen within,
of course,
racing.
That of nascar,
track.
That of,
swimming,
a marathon.
Each existing tethered to the simplicity of being dynamic beings,
seeking only to be first.
To be that which moves,
simply to be that which,
exist.
The third stage of externalizing,
that which exist as internal,
relating to that of the organism.
Is,
of course,
existence itself.
Within,
that of the "Existence" stage,
said organism seeks simplistic violence.
For,
there can only the one.
One tethered to being.
One able to exist,
within,
that of the egg.
Such an existence was seen plainly in the,
coliseum.
Where as,
gladiators fought to be beings.
To be that which,
draws breath.
To be tethered to,
existence.
Of course one sees such,
within,
that of,
fighting.
That of war,
the simplicity of conflict.
Each and every combat situation
essentially exist in such a way.
As to create,
the simplicity,
of existence.
I wonder,
since such is tethered to actuality,
what truly does the human,
create?
How is such an existence not tethered to waste,
if,
within such,
be not,
even a human mind?
Not even the ability to exist as such a kind.
For,
of course,
each human entity tethered to creating such realities,
knew not of,
why.
For,
all deem such to be apart of,
human life.
To be,
that which matters.
But,
of course,
such could never matter.
Could never be,
that which one deems,
not only substantive,
but,
tethered to that of rationality.
For,
I deem all that exist,
absent a mind.
Absent,
simplistic contemplation leading to immense comprehension,
to be tethered to,
nothing.
Nothing but,
uselessness.
Nothing but,
senseless ascension.
Nothing but,
a,
wasteful,
existence...
The conversation is the most cynical and nihilistic thing I’ve been. Technology isn’t about the truth. It’s about increasing the number of non-zero sum games we can play. This guest seems like he knows even less about technology than philosophy.
Great discussion. The conclusion is disappointing. Pippin’s answer to hide in academia and basically become a libraran is exactly why there are still so many flaws with no change in sight. Hiding on a college campus is not the real world explains how out of touch with reality intellectuals are today. People need to go out and participate in life put theory into practice gain true knowledge through risk and experience. There are many ways to do this by engaging in higher public service, political office, law, military, business, law enforcement, healthcare, be the change and bring leadership to the parts of society that will catapult us all to the next level. Not hide and focus on preserving old texts. Which is important but shouldn’t be your only and main goal.. As for Nietzsche being a loser we can agree on that but at least in his madness he aimed high. Pippin aiming low is just plan sad and cowardly especially being competent enough to know better. As a society we are capable of more than that. Many people are afraid of being more because the weak and the herd will be left behind. From the few political comments Pippin made he exposed himself as someone who is for the weak and the herd. With that mentality, no wonder it is so easy to stand out and succeed today. I look forward to hearing more discussions with Mr. Bi, great stuff.
Not Incompatible…. Panentheism allows you to speak the language of either conditionally… they are both true… it’s not the goal of religion to be in a religion….
The goal of the religion is to find and be in the will of God…
This guy knows how to dress🥵
oh, so going to Mars is "low minded" ... right
Distasteful that in multiple interviews you have conducted, these men have denigrated the grand pursuits of those like Elon Musk, Bezos; the extremely successful entrepreneurs of our time!
But apart from making loads-of-money, what have these 'great' men achieved for society?
So sad that he has tds.
Robert’s clear cynicism for the future, rooted in his clear hatred of trump and Nixon is telling.
Western humanity already expired. Everyone can smell it. Philosophy means “not being honest about it” - and it’s called marketing, advertising, and the state (Power) lol
Get back to school teach. U have papers to grade. Rorty would have this guy for lunch.
Practice honesty, see past the rhetoric in media, and study Islam.
Study Islam why?
Read the first page of the Quran(online), and you will know why.
@@onofuaosazeeanthony9674 Too fill that void you have in you.
Why not?
Jonathan is either too full of himself or too naive. I hope the later otherwise just pity for another opportunity to do something great, dying off to the hustle culture
Nihilism does not exist. It is an adjective. How long does this Nihilism last? Moments? By what criteria do you define Nihilism? Something like (insert hand waving) when nothing means anything to a singular person and he adopts that as his philosophy. This world is indeed absurd.
Apparently, there is great meaning in nice suits, lavish old furniture and neat hair with the obligatory unread books as part of the background, and some piano music.
Apparently if we engage with "the texts" which texts? The buy bull with the talking snake and magic apples...we can delude ourselves into saying we learned something because we now have delusions about our own delusions.
I'm a man of science and I find "great meaning" in drinking a Pepsi and knowing that I do indeed find my carbonated high fructose infused soft beverage delightful. It means a great deal to me because I am addicted to the crap.
Now, music has NO particular meaning whatsoever and in any way shape or form does music have a meaning on its own, but you included it in your video, didn't you?
Where is this elusive "great meaning" and how can we word salad it into a physical manifestation?
The meaning of my own life is very very simple to state: I want to, in some small way, some how, make this world a better place while I am on this Earth and alive. That's my meaning. That is my purpose. I need neither sky daddy nor to delude myself with pseudo intellectual nonsense in order to achieve that. So far I have saved 8 lives from near instant death or the destruction of people's lives. They are alive today because I was there and I wasn't considering the meaning of anything other than....two (separate occasions) runaway trucks, somebody choking to death, and somebody in the beginning stages of dying from hypothermia. I've put out fires before they got out of hand. I've helped my fellow human beings wherever I could.
The "great meaningness" or "meaning" or "meaningfullness" of it all?
It stems from a singular idea: NOBODY, BUT NOBODY rises to the top on their own, succeeds on their own, or survives on their own.
We all need each other in order to survive.
Any meaning we make up along the way is just entertainment within our meaty brains.
Because the rocks will never care if we have meaning or not.
We are here today, and someday that will change.
The end.
I agree with you - utterly everything is saturated with meaning except Pepsi, Coca Cola is better.
When people say nihilism, I can only think of the tragedy of something like Cotards syndrome [which is extremely rare in any case] when person thinks they are dead. (Type of deluded hallucination along with confabulation)
Otherwise, nihilistic "philosophers" have all sorts of meaningful purposes such as writing books and publishing them.
Not to mix up nihilism with relativism, anarchy or skepticism- all quite different pathways.
I'm also "desperately trying to become religious".
Islam has a blend of eastern religious principles and also the abrahamic religions as well.
Neelism
Meritocracy
Bro, go get some mo
1:54 No. Nihilism is NOT a disease, and now you are just lying at worst, and using hyperbole at best. Weasel words like "more and more people are feeling this way" is not evidence to support your claim.
Currently, right now, in "Modernity" there are people making the clothes you will wear in the future, and growing the food you will eat, and making things to entertain you, so let's show some gratitude because they don't get to wear nice suits and make youtube videos and pretend to be urbane and educated. (Spoiler alert, your material wouldn't even sum up a single course or even the chapter of a course on a college campus).
Don't you think other people have thought of these things before you did? Do you somehow believe that the Victorian Era was somehow superior and the height of civilization? Which period was it that was somehow the "ideal" to which we should all miss and weap for now that it is gone? I think that maybe just maybe people idealize the past. Spoiler alert, "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" are works of fiction and the world as portrayed in those television shows was NOT that way even during the time of production.
People feel "disaffected" by the world they live in because maybe, just maybe, they dreamed too big and had their dreams shattered. Perhaps just perhaps somebody got the job the promotion and the acclaim they deserved because of favoritism by a faction or a church towards somebody else.
Every single age and every single society is dystopian because NONE of them are utopian.
Most of the video is going to be a bunch of mental masturbation because the guy lost me with his dishonest approach in the first two minutes. And I am not going to subscribe or watch the rest of it.
Enjoy fawning over yourselves! Good luck.
Do you also study philosophy? I'm just a teenager so I don't know much rn, I wanna know your in depth perspective on the topic
Make your points without vitriol if you want to have a discussion. Maybe work on your resentment. Guest has written many books and may know something we don't know yet
There is no utopian society. There is only superior men.
Dude if you want my advice as a 25 year know nothing I’d say trust & act on your intentions and your instincts TODAY. If you want to be a pilot start reading books and looking for the best academy today. If you want to be jacked start eating a hefty meaty diet and doing intense workouts today. If you want to know big words like inculcate and dynasticism start reading classic novels today. Don’t wait seize your youth and your vitality. Everyday we’re only getting older but if you begin your ascend, your inward journey, your life adventure NOW you will be something quite formidable come your 20s 30s whatever. And be formidable today by choosing life and beauty and excitement and instinct.
Only the best! -Josh
Oh yes and philosophy is only a mental exercise, it’s a playground of the mind, the real thing is right in front of you 24/7 waiting to be known acutely.
I don’t understand this man; if he is against slaves morality as he calls it weak and degrading. How come then he went mad by witnessing a beaten horse ?
If he denies free will - all the definitions of free will - then the salves will always be as they are and never upgrade to superman. ?
There is a distinction between not having a truth of things beyond phenomenology and to deny any truth at all.
Bro is clearing imitating Peterson. He shouldn’t though, he should be his own man.
Contemptible misunderstanding of the true spirit of Nietzsche.
I would wipe the floor with you two insipid academics in a debate any day of the week.
Get a UA-cam channel instead of leaving comments lol
Jonathan, you are about a B+ level sophmore philosophy student. There are about 10,000,000 people more deserving of these conversations.
Except he actually created the opportunity to have one … your comment is very revealing…imagine having to even type that lol