How many watts can you possibly need? First Watt F7 amplifier review !
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Nelson pass knows that the "best amplifier" that does everything does not simply exist so he created the "best" in its class ! how many watts do you need for an audiophile amplifier? 200 watts? 300 watts? quad zillion watts? The answer is no. Quality over quantity applies here.
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forgot to mention but class A kinda indicated it... this thing runs hot folks.... hell it may work as a mini heater if your heaters are broken for the winter. ✌
My JC1 mono blocks in 25 watt class A mode are very cosy in the winter. Haha!
Special effects! Jay that was awesome.
Thanks Steve !
I had to stop the video during the intro... dude, that was very clever. Your development since I first viewed your content is hitting it out of the park! Bravo!
Top notch review, Jay. I especially liked what you said about the musical presentation and experience of the F7.
Keep up the awesome work, man! You’re on fire, bro! 🔥🎶✌️🔊🎵🙂
Hey sir I finally looked at this video, I really appreciated the educational point you shed on the importance of quality power and not just quantity and the effects were humorous and fun😄👍🏾👏🏾
EVIL TWIN ROCKS! Great new intro... “you needed it”.....keep up the great work Jay! Oh- I demoed a F7 for a week. Killer, killer amp. Very dare I say, “tube-like” sound. Simple topology that works!
Funny that evil twin is dressed Asian Hipster style. lol
About 8 watts is enough for my Klipschorns to thump my insides. I just love those things...all 3 pair.
lots of great information about a great product Jay... bringing more people into the world of beautiful high fidelity audio. It's ultimately about the experience and not about the numbers. Can you imagine people judging a bottle of wine based on it's sugar content or other measurable things like alcohol content? Ridiculous! We are living in a time where more efficient speakers can be coupled with sweet lower wattage amps voiced to be less fatiguing on the ears. thanks 🚀
The review is just cool! I love that musical intro. Emotionally warm and inviting, funky. Reel to reel has its charm, as everything pictured there, and the music! It kinda created right atmosphere for the whole piece.
And I actually appreciate the information you shared. You confirmed my thoughts on quality watts vs quantity. Although it doesn’t make the amp selection easier if one’s not familiar with a particular model. First Watt must be great!
Jay, this is Killa Callahan the cable man. I'm a comedian starting out but I've been in the cable industry for 30 years so I know all about frequencies impedance continuation noise floor I deliver gigabyte speeds over coaxial cable for miles. I'm just now finding you guys on the internet since the pandemic. I don't know who the coolest on the internet you or Paul from PS audio great video brother keep them coming.
Pauls def cooler
Awesome job with the content. It is clear this one took some time to film and edit but it is worth it.
I said it before and I'll say it again, you're getting better as a reviewer all the time period in my opinion of course
Great Intro, Jay! First clear step into the Hifi Wattage Myth over decades. Thoroughly comparing the difference of wattage quality importance over quantity. And the description of how
the clean quality watts could possibly sound. Rarely I see reviewers mention the speakers, electronics he paired up for certain review (and come out the motion and feels). But you did.
Particular appreciate your passion and honesty. Thank you.
I’m late to the party here but this is my favorite review of yours. Great work! Thank you.
As always, cool thoughtful discussion. Thanks again Jay.
Jay--Excellent review!!
I built a 10W Son of Zen in 2001. Still the best sounding amplifier I've heard.
Great video. I enjoyed the pairing of LTA MZ3 as preamp and F7 to drive the Tekton Double Impact. Definitely sweet combination that I can recommend just under 10k.
Still really happy with my First Watt M2. A far more enjoyable and emotional experience than better measuring class A/B and D amps. I doubt I've ever used over 15 watts driving my ProAcs.
LOL...hahaha...love that intro, Jay! More Jay is better too?! Was that the transformation to your evil self at the end there? This is a very great review, Jay...I'm interested in this amp, so I really got a lot out of this. The most in depth review of the F7 on youtube...thanks a bunch!
Excellent review...Now your talking like the late technician Julian Hirsch, one of my favorite reviewers of all time.
Mr hirsch was a class above.
Very well described review of FW F7. Products of First Watt is something beyond explanation, it is a pure enjoyment. I have First watt M2 connected with a tube pre and I Prefer M2 more than my Bryston 4b sst2. I think First watt products matches very well with tube pre, because the M2 does not sound that good when it is connected with Bryston bp26, but it is totally exceptionally great when connected with my DIY tube preamp. And my speaker is only 87 db.
Good to hear this. On most forums many people will say it’s all about watts. A lot of these guys will say they need 200 or even 400 watts. I always wonder if they live in a hangar.
When I added the F7 to my setup with Odeon No. 28 SE horns the musical enjoyment raised to a level no other solid state before it had reached. It's hard to put in to words just how sweet the amp can sound with the right speakers.
Jay, good video and by the way. Please can you use F7 with that LS preamplifier Tube for a sound demo so that can hear a bit of the sound quality?
Awesome video and review of the F7 Please can you provide me more details how firstwatt F7 sound like with buchard S400 because I am buying a F6 for my S400?
On the subject of power, it is important to understand how power relates to volume and the principles and reasoning behind power matching between amps and speakers.
Volume is measured in decibels (dB) which is a logarithmic scale that would be unfamiliar to most people. In the dB scale, a rise of 10 dB is about double the perceived volume. That is, 0 dB is twice as loud as -10 dB and 10 dB is twice as loud at 0 dB etc. dB also directly relates to power, a rise of 10 dB requires 10 times the power. So, a 10-Watt amp is twice as loud as a 1-Watt amp, a 100-Watt amp is twice as loud as a 10-Watt amp and a 1000-Watt amp is twice as loud as a 100-Watt amp. We can see then that if we require a small increase in volume, we need a much larger increase in power, assuming we are using the same speaker load and sensitivity.
How much power do we need? Well that depends on the size of the room and the efficiency of the speakers. If the speakers and or amp are inadequate, this leads to turning up the volume to the point where damage to these components occurs. It is important to match the amps and speakers’ continuous power to both the room and to each other. There are many definitions of power but continuous power is what these components can withstand without damage in continuous operation. One of the biggest destroyers of speakers is when an amp is clipping at high volumes. Clipping is what happens to the signal when the amp is pushed to its upper limit. Electrical signal is like AC voltage, just with a complex mix of frequencies. Graphing this voltage over time should look like a complex smoothly curving line. When an amp is pushed beyond its limit, the tops of these curves get cut off flat. This sounds like a type of distortion and it causes the speaker drivers to overheat and get damaged. Typically, the damaged condition is permanent and sounds like there is sand in the speakers but they may be burned out and just not work at all. This type of damage tends to occur when an amp is less powerful than the speaker. To avoid this, and assuming the speakers are powerful enough for the room size, it is generally considered good practice to ensure the amp is matched or a little more powerful than the speakers. This is fine because you only turn up the volume to what you are comfortable listening too, but it is conditional upon the speakers being more than adequate for the room. Obviously, if they are not adequate, you can turn up the power too much and burn them out. So, it is important to avoid equipment choices that have borderline adequate power handling and go beyond the lower limit by at least 10 dB to ensure you have sufficient head room for safe operation.
Maybe do some research on room size, furnishings and power.....
Concerning the complexity of electronics:
All electrical components generate some self-noise, especially resistors. Each type of component, has various sub type options and these very in self-noise quite a lot. So, there are choices in component quality vs price and circuit design very significantly influences self-noise as well. Generally, though, you are correct that minimising components reduces self-noise, but it’s not the only consideration. There are design goals to meet and circuits are already designed to meet those goals with minimal componentry. Equipment that is exceedingly simple is not necessarily the best option because it also indicates a lack of adequate design goals, little things like flat spectrum response, low distortion, the ability of an amp to drive complex loads, high fidelity etc. You know that manufacturers do not cram in components for not reason. Every component adds to their manufacturing casts and they go to great effort to minimise that…. So just think about that a bit.
The fact that the amp produces harmonics that assist musicality means that the amp is not true to source but adding its own artifacts that are not present in the source media. While you personally may find this pleasurable, this is not high fidelity.
Great video bro!
I have been waiting for this review ever since you mentioned the F7 in your lore review. Would love to see a review of a diy First Watt amplifier like the Aleph J or a review of the Tekton mini lore. I suspect that the F7 might be an even better match for it as the lore mini is less analytical than the lore reference. Love the twin! ;)
they say chefs spend the first half of their career trying to add ingredients and the second half trying to take them away
Love the new intro
Nice review, I can relate to the first watts to be quality watts, went from 160w with big dual mono power supply to a Belles SA30 class A 30watts (54w has been measured) power amp, what a sound, so organic and beautiful sounding, enough power to drive my 87db speakers without any problem, it does run hot though 😆
Hi quality amp/audio set always comfort to hear it,even at loud sound
Just started using John Linsley Hood 1969 Class A amplifier which is all Class A 10W with minimal headroom as it's a single voltage rail amp, 30V max. The output is through a capacitor but seems to be low distortion and sufficient power for Proac Studio 3 that are about 86dBa average efficiency. Can still be pretty damn loud, and clipping is valve like being very inoffensive. I do have a 700W class A, a Krell which doesn't seem to have much advantage over the JLH except the bass and Max loudness. And this from 10W? You better believe it!
Jay just saw your video, will you be doing a review of the Pontus. I have a Denafrips Ares ii and would like to know what you get extra with the Pontus. Thanks!!!!!
LDF is also an excellent manufacturer with empty boxes, but also great sound. Grtz Phil
Love this format .. clever =)
curious about how these would sound with maggies. schiit aegir monoblocks are wonderful with magnepan lrs's.
Great intro. Your cousin should guest more often.
This was a very educational video. Have you tried this amp with Focal? I have Aria 906. I think it should be good. No?
I havent tried it with the aria but with the new chora speakers. They are excellent
When are you going to publish the review of the Tekton Lore???????? Can't wait.. really want to know what you think of the difference between the Lore Reference and the Lore's.... Thanks.
Ha ha. 😂 What a great conversation. Im looking forward to se more of this 👍😊 Best regards from Alf.. who lives in Denmark
You don't need a ton of watts to get loud. But the more watts you have the louder you can go without distortion. Cause you don't have to turn the volume up so much
Not necessarily true. How many watts do you possibly need to start distorting due to loud volume? Usually when a 200 watt amp distorts its either the amplifier not being able to drive the load of the speaker or the person blasting it to oblivion. Again, if you are about blasting speakers past concert level... More watts required for sure
I have a 45 watt/ch Parasound amp and it sounds great in a small room. I thought I would try it in a big room where I have a 150 watt amp. They are both high current amps and I don't listen to music super loud. One might think that both would perform equally up to the rated power of the smaller amp, but that isn't the case with the bass. There is more bass punch (in a bigger room) even at lower volume with a more powerful amp (considering equal quality of both amps). Also, if a lower wattage amp is pushed to it's limit, it will sound stressed compared to an amp with more reserve.
When Nelson says that the F7 works very well with Tube preamps it's because the positive feedback feature that can boost the damping factor of the F7 depends upon the o/p of the preamp being reasonably high. 1K ohm o/p impedance will be fine. If anyone has a good preamp with a low o/p impedance the adding a resistor externally will completely restore the damping factor boost function of the F7
Good work! Good considerations and good description of the amplifier.Really looking forward to the review of the Pre 1. Have considered buying it, but there is no feedback from owners online. Nice if you can say a little about the tubes the manufacturer has chosen compared to other preamplifier tubes. It really is a jungle to orientate oneself in for one without prior knowledge. Regards
Soon ! ✌
Hope you can review the Pegasus musician DAC. Everyone who seen it said it’s at the same level with Venus
I like valve amps and the 2nd harmonic distortion my valve amp I built is 807 class A stereo 6 watts and I use Altec model 18 using the 604-8h driver
You should try the Javs X5 Femto. Apparently it beats the RME ADI-2 Pro for half the price.
Thought of adding First Watt F7 in my bedroon with book shelf speaker
what speakers would you suggest? I have below list in my mind.
Harbeth C7ES 86db.
Dynaudio Special 40 86db
Dynaudio Contour 20 86db.
Above speaker list is 86db sensitivity. Will it go well with First Watt F7 or shall I look for high sensitivity speakers?
Would be interesting to compare to Croft acoustics, similar minimalism at work there
Do you plan on reviewing the Kinki Studio EX-M7 Power Amp?
Glad you did a video on this particular subject. Especially since it can be misunderstood by novice audiophiles.
hmmm i almost went for the f7, but then i got the accuphase a20v instead. my question is why audiophiles ignore/look passed that brand? any thoughts?
Ever heard the KR Audio 135? It's a fantastic tubed pre.
Hey J,
Have you heard the sprout 100 yet? If not, can you see yourself listening to it and reviewing it?
Thanks!
Jay how about preamp for F7 modwright or musical Fidelity, or maybe something like parasound halo jc 2?
Nice seeing the studio coming along! Is there paint up to the roof now!?
Soon !!! When I get my lazy ass going
Oh man, I see you working! Keep it up!
Hey Jay. I have Monitor Audio GX 5.1 system. I listen @2-3.meters. I have a Yamaha RXA 860 as a preamp and for rear channels and an Emotiva XPA3 2nd gen for the fronts. I want to upgrade my amp and pre. Monitor recommends amps 60-120 watts. How legit is that and what would you recommend? Thx
It takes more than a few watts or ("4" watts 90,93,96 at 1 m) to get you to rock concert levels. Loud yes, but rock concert? Have you been to a concert lately? At 90 dB at 1 watt, you would need about 120 watts for 110dB...or more depending on where you are from speakers in theory. Rock concert SPL levels go right through you. Still, I and many mostly use no more than a few watts or so...until transients kick in requiring 10X power or more perhaps? As to having to spend thousands for quality amps, I hope not at least for most dynamic speaker designs. Should be lots of choices under 2K and even 1K that can do well. Except for Magnepans and the like.
Nice video!!!
I have a Pass designed Amp Camp Amp (kit built, 8 watts per side) and a 4 valve amp I built from a kit (6 watts per side) . PLENTY of power. I also have a 200watt per-side Class A SS amp. Guess which amps I listen to the most. Thanks for the vid Jay, great job!
Hey how do you like the Amp Camp Amp? Is that the one you listen to the most? I bought one too but I believe my pre-amp is just too old to do it justice.
@@JuanGarcia-kv7yv Hey Juan, I listen to the ACA and the tube amp about equally. It seems that most owners of the ACA's like them.
Lynn What speakers are you using?I am looking for an efficient bookshelf that is not a horn? Also I bet your Pass kit amp, at 1/10 the price of the f7....sounds alot more like 40 or t0 per cent of the f7....?
...40 or 50 percent?...or higher?
Nice, fun intro scene! Q: What if my speakers are 85db efficient like the LS50s? Would I worry about max volume being too low with this amp?
85 db and ls50 in particular would benefit from more in my opinon
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt you're correct. 85db sensitive. Thank you!
My amp output is 500watts@8ohm 650@4ohms & 1,200@1ohms, but also is capable of 65 amps for 500 milliseconds!
My Maggie's. 7's want, need and love the amp!! Hey so do I
As a looong time Maggie owner myself, I’d love to hear what your favorite amp was with the 1.6 or 1.7’s.
He has really seemed to like Hegel 90 and 190 for 1.7is
Hey Jay That desription of dB deline over distance measurement is in error in a real world listening room. They are measured in free air ( open space with no walls) or an anechoic (acoustically dead ) chamber.
Its done that way to establsh a worst case scenario baseline without or minimal variables.
Once you introduce the biggest variable. The room and all that multiple reflection absorption, possible standing waves & sympathetic resonance weird shapes & dimensions & even open plan multi storey. All bets are off
The only way to know how YOUR room/ listening environment is affecting the sound is measure it @ the listening position/s on a case by case basis. Cheers
Hey would you like to reach out on Audio Nirvana and check out one of their tube amps? or maybe even both? I'm thinking about buying one of them but I don't know anything about tube amps
I don't know a lot about amplifier construction but, I have noticed that lower powered versions of the same series have a slightly more delicate sound-- a refinement? I've had as many as 14 different Bryston's over the years. The 50W Bryston 2B sounded better to me than the top of the line (at the time) 200W Bryston 4B. The same sound signature, characteristics and consistency but, I preferred the sound of the lighter amp. I've noticed the same thing in the Accuphase line. The E280 is often cited to be the nicest sounding of the line.
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Pass seemed to key in on the SIT
And VFET models .
The problem with the first watt is the existence of amplifiers like the Yamaha B1-3 and Sony TA-N7B
Which are basically 100/200 watt per channel first watt amps soundwise .
Know your histories
And own better equipment.
What sound diffusers are you using on your wall?
Watching your channel for the past few weeks, I've thought you look and speak just like a good friend of mine. WTF? Now, there's three of you.
All depend on the room size, loudness in dB a person is hearing and min power to drive a speaker at it optimum sound output recommend by manufacturer.
Most large tower 3 ways speakers has min 25watt and above required output.
Anyone having success to drive ATC scm 100 speaker with 8 watt?
Nelson Pass builds musical sounding amplifiers , using the term "musical" that many shy away from but I embrace . I put Pass gear in the same listening category as Luxman in that both companies have many amps with sonic characteristics most easily said as musical . I don't know any better trait for listening to music. Don't underestimate the f7 , note the output capacitance of 60,000uf/channel , that resembles many very good 200 watt / channel ab amps. A class A design like this will give you full dynamic range even at low listening levels and perform better with some 90db+ speakers than higher watt amps.
well said.
A lot of you guys need to start including exactly what type of "music" you are listening to. Like naming the actual tracks. I listen to a lot of Rock so yeah its music but It would help if you guys would say this amp is great for Electronic, but sucks with Classical or its not that good for that. I have 0 interest in getting a DAC or a AMP that is awesome for Vocals, because almost none of the music in my library is Vocals.
This is a great point that doesn't enter the audiophile conversation nearly enough.
Great point. Well noted. I used to do that. Will keep doing it
Hello Jay, I'm a 30+ year pro sound veteran and audiophile so you know .if you go class D and get the Crown XLS you can get good clean sound ,low distortion, neutrality,high damping factor and high wattage as well as the ability to drive difficult speaker loads starting around $400-$1000 you don't need to spend $3000 to get good sound. It is a misconception that a good amp must be crazy expensive and get hot enough to cook on or heat your home in the winter
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What do you think about adding a Schiit Asgard as a preamp to the F7? Do you think something like that'll work with the F7?
oh yea that would work well !
@@Jayiyagi Thank you!
Incedently, I recently got the Hegel H90 and it’s pre out into my power amp sounds better than using my other Preamp’s (one is a tube pre), while using it as an integrated things sounded from poor to broken depending on the speaker (hint don’t try it with the Triangle Trio!) 🤣 Guess that’s synergy for you! So I have a Hegel P20 pre on the way 🍿Would love to try one of Nelson’s amps!
Great review, been looking at an F7 for awhile now. Just curious how does the F7 do with a Magneplanar speaker?
this is a stereo channel, of course we need 2 of you. :-)
it wouldnt be 90 db at 3M away, if i remember you lose 6db when doubling the distance but still 4 watt at 3M is still loud
An excellent review as usual, thank you. The F7 should make for a superb pairing with Tekton speakers. I am thinking Moab or Double Impact. That would be one hell of a system for under 10 grand. You talked about the great midrange of the F7, does it compliment the Tektons well or is it overwhelming?
Overwhelming ?! Noooo. Its fantastic ! Hell of a system
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt Yo-semite. LOL
For me I like to play it loud, so I like a high power amplifier, but even if I don't play loud I still use high power amps, it brings justice & details to the music
I use an 8 watt tube amp to drive my Tannoy DC8Ti and it is more than enough. I guess it depends on the speakers, i highly doubt i could properly drive a pair of B&W with just 8 watt.
I am with you on this one. I had a pair of Klipsch RP8000f, and it never sound good no matter what avr receiver I throw at it until I got a vintage Pioneer sx 737 with only 37 watts. But still was not satisfied with the sound, so went and got a pair of Klipsch rf 7, but then the Pioneer sx 737 sounded thin or very distorted, didnt sound good at all. Try a bunch of different vintage gears from 50 watts up too 80 watts and still didnt sound good until I finally got my hands on a Realistic STA 2100D at 120 watts. It finally sounds good. Vocals and instruments sounds more real now, everything is clear and control. I think most people pay more intentions to vocals and tend to forget that lower watts amp lose out music instruments dynamics, and control.
I have this amp. It sounds magical, dynamic, Insightful, 3D and has excellent musicality.
My speakers are 92db sensitive.
Heaps of power in my room. I run my RME ADI2 direct unbalanced into the amp.
Great vid, I always thought wattage is everything as well. My first amp is actually a naim, handed down to me by my uncle. 90s Naim that is recently serviced by a good tech. Same first impression as you when I opened up the amp.
How is it with LTA MZ3? (Although that combo gets pretty expensive)
its fantastic. on par with the modwright combination.
If you're inclined to diy, first watt amps can be built for around a grand, us dollars, give or take a few hundred. I'm very satisfied with the F6 I built.
Where would one go to look for such a DIY kit!
@@JuanGarcia-kv7yv diyaudiostore.com has the chassis and primary components for the various first watt models and it connects to the forums which have the plans, the remaining parts can be bought through stores like mouser.
Love the videos were just wondering while listening to all of this do they make any amplifiers that have an adjustable dampening Factor...
Crestfactor is about avoiding clipping to prevent compressing dynamics...grandpiano hit geand accordnotes give 115 db/w at 1 m ...when pavarotti hits the high do in nessun dorma you need effciency and watts undistorted peakpower if you want real life dynamics, and have deaf neighbourghs,,,lol...otherwise even a rogers ls3/5a at 82db/w with a triode 7 watts can give you goosebumps , and will prevent tinitus
Weeellll....my custom designed two-way MT (mid-tweeter) self built speakers with a sub need about 12 watts RMS @ 8 ohms to drive them to 92 dB in my little (but noisy, sorry, room A/C) living/listening room, so for 12 dB of "headroom", I better have about 90 watts RMS on hand and I have 105 per channel at .003% THD thanks to Mr. Denon. I do vinyl and four channel 15 IPS tape, yup it still exists and will for several more centuries as long as TEAC keeps re-building tape heads...
You are a funny guy with a Great review ! I would not recommend ice in your drink, ( It's like a poor pre-amp combination ) I think you sold me on this amp but what pre-amp would be the best combination. The other day you were raving about the LTA MZ3 in combination. Now you are pointing towards the ModWright LS 100. I guess you are going to say similar but different ?
Actually. Similar and similar lol. Modwright ls100 was my ultimate choice with it though.
Many Thanks.. I loved the evil twin part. I was half expecting you to go into a whole theatrical rave and start shouting at him saying. .. just REMEMBER HEY DO YOU HEAR ME ? 4 freaking watts IF FRIGGIN ENOUGH FOR A 90 DB speaker to be playing at a freaking 89 DB efficiency ! Hey DID YOU HEAR THAT ??? !
Jay, I did see the Denafrips Pontus in this video, is there a review coming for this dac?
Yeap !
The Next Best Thing Studio Looking forward to your take on the Pontus , some would say it sounds too digital vs the Ares 2
@@delvalle9256 I have the Pontus (just one week), can't say it sounds digital. I can't compare it with the ares. But the Pontus (like the venus and terminator) have had a upgrade with the DSP boards. Maybe the old boards sound more digital. I like the Pontus more than the topping d90 mqa.
rkotemp I tried the non mqa d90 and it sounds exactly the same in my set up as my chip based DAC. How different is the pontus vs the d90 and was the difference audible right away without burn in (pontus) . Thanks
@@delvalle9256 The biggest difference was in my speaker setup. En the main comparison I did was with the dac in my hegel H190. What Jay discribd in his video about the Pontus, I did hear. Beter and more precise soundstage. Wider and deeper. More holographic. I did hear te same kind of difference comparing with the d90 mqa. But I have not done extensive testing because both where not burned in.
In my headphone setup (using the topping A90 headphone amplifier) the difference between the topping and denafrips are much smaller. I still prefer the Denafrips Pontus. I will do some more comparison when all are burned in and my balanced headphone cables for my Quad era-1 headphone are arrived and a ZMF headphone.
The word your looking for is current...please discuss current and output impedance.
MLl sequel II ever been in your estat adventures?
Where to to buy in the EU?
My Infinities take 75watts to get them moving !! Very inefficient !! QLS-1’s !!!👍🤘
A most confusing video. So more watts in an amp don’t impact sound?? So I am trying to determine if I should buy another Macintosh amp for a b&w 803 I may buyI (own an mc255 and use for 3 channels, so I get 250 w per channel-would get 200 per channel if I used 5 channels; 250w I hear may not be enough for 803 to achieve better sound quality as spkr is rated up to 500w). Was told that I should biamp by splitting unused amps in mc255 between the 804’s I know own and also can do this with 803’s which then give me 400w per 803 spkr. Sounds good
Nope. The take away is that it depends on the speaker and its not always about more watts. For b&ws you need more and mcintosh is a great classic pairing for sure. Rock on !
Hey, did you buy the Pontus or is it just in for a review?
Just in for review
@@Jayiyagi Great. can you please in your review compare it to the Ares II in terms of speed. I've seen several reviewers complain that the Ares II is good sounding, but very slow. Thank you in advance.
I'm new to the audiophile world. So pardon the naivete. I think this is just enough to drive a pair of LS50s right?
Ls50 would benefit from more
@@Jayiyagi Thank you. Might have to get a little Kinki. My R8 tube is on order lets see how well it drives my LS50s.
I am that rare person who is a fanatic about some very low efficiency speakers. I still don't need 300 watts for my application.