Oh and you wanted sources of my info on range of both planes. Range of ~3000km for F-22 is info from official USAF website, and range of 5500km for PAK-FA is info published by Sukhoi officials.
PAK-FA`s RCS is undetectable by radar as much as F-22`s. PAK-FA has 2 times bigger range of radar and its also AESA radar like on F-22. It has 2 times bigger range and can carry long range missiles like R-37 (250-400km anti awacs missiles) that F-22 cant. PAK-FA also has 2 more smaller radars on wings, 3D thrust vectoring, unlike F-22`s 2D. There are already 10 new engines built for new airframes of PAK-FA and one squadron should start exercies with weapons in Lipetsk flight center next year
@MrMicoSrb I have PAK-FA video, and i didnt put it because its still not in operational service, here are only planes and helicopters in service within Russian AF.
Now yes but French offered them development of engine for both Tejas and Rafales that are going to be delivered to them based on original version of Tejas engine, GTX-35VS Kaveri
@Humberto4790 He is former KGB agent, im not sure if he has black belt in karate but for sure knows it well and few other fighting techniques and he is not jet pilot, he just flew in Tu-160 as co-pilot.
French offered full deal with Rafale too. Full technology transfer along with new AESA radar when its completed. They also offered new engine for HAL Tejas. India has previous experience with Dassault planes, Mirage 2000. It was pretty logical choice. I was best offer and best plane out there. And they could make balance between Russian and NATO weaponry, keeping kind of neutrality in their foreign relations.
Yes, its used for big targets like Awacs or Bombers. F-22 does not have something like that in arsenal. Counterpart to AIM-120D is R-77, which has similar range, 160km.
AN/ALR 94 i used so main radar APG-77 has lower emission and ALR94 has bigger range than radar itself to locate targets. PAK-FA doesnt even need that wth its radar`s range of 400km which is its effective range since it can carry missiles that can be fired at that distance unlike F-22 which longest range missile is AIM-120. As i mentioned there are 10 completely new engines for 5 new airframes ready for testing. AL-41F1. And that engine completely meets requirements.
F-22 has many flaws and almost whole 2011, entire fleet was grounded due to technical problems with oxygen and ejection seats. On the other hand, maintenance of 1 F-22 costs like 5 or more other planes and thats why production was stopped.
And your point is? Btw Su-30 can be fitted with AESA radar. And SM version has thrust vectoring and carries IRBIS-E, the best PESA radar in teh world. On the other hand, winner of MRCA, Rafale, still has PESA radar and French are currently developing AESA radar for it. Even though it had PESA radar it still won the tender.
T-50 RCS is 0.01m2 from all aspects, F-22 RCS is 0.0001m2 from front and 0.01m2 from side or rear. Info is from ausairpower(dot)net. As i mentioned, T-50 uses completely new systems, nothing "soviet made" and it will be state of art fighter.
No, F-16 fell out of tender first, not MiG-35. And there isnt an official list of "places" on that tender, that wasnt a child competition, it was 11 bilion dolars worth contract. Algeria returned MiG-29s because they decided to buy Su-30s, i dont really see how is this loss for Russia?
You havent shown any proof for that either? Mig started development of light fighter, also with stealth characteristics, MiG LMFS. MiG-29 is aging aircraft and will be replaced by new fighter in the future. Just like USAF plans to change all F-16s with F-35 when/if it enters serial production
2 years. Much less than F-35. It does have weapons bay developed (it was developed back in 1997 on Su-47) and its known that it will use Gsh-301. F-22 crashed during testing so? Its quite normal that there are couple of problems here and there on testing, its not normal that 9 years with all the money and might you cant develop fighter.
AL-41F1 is not based on Saturn 117S. Its is in 117 family but its not based on 117S. Su-35 and PAK-FA dont have same engines. As i mentioned before PAK-FA has RCS low enough to be undetectable by any US radar. On the other hand F-22s stealth can be detected by Russian radars (AA systems). F-22 has range 2 times smaller than PAK-FA and with external fuel tanks, F-22s RCS is much greater and its main advantage-stealth is questionable.
@40UmdrehungenMinimum Yes it is. I think you have to become Russian citizen though and do some exams and after that you can go to military school. Its even easier if you have a realtive who is Russian.
Who is buying old F-16s? No one. Belgium is making and selling licencly F-16MLU and Turkey is building them also on licence i think. Other than that only versions sold are Block 52, 52+ and new 60. They were not impressed. So? They werent impressed with F-16 or F-18 either since they havent bought any of them. And yes, MiG-29 isnt really plane that is sold nowadays a lot but Su-27/30 on the other hand are being sold all over the world. In the end, it really doesnt matter if its MiG or Su.
You had export modified export versions back in 90's, made in Hungary and Poland. And there were no many dogfights. Well, obviously 21 and 29 arent good as 35 )) Look at F-117 what happened. So called "Stealth plane". Greetings from Russia brother )
WOW seeing Soviet aircraft in action at the end made the video complete as if to remind viewers of history. Also fun fact, Russians were the ones to come up with the fly by wire system using T-4 as a testbed. Yet one of the last Soviet fighter designs - MiG-29 did not incorporate this like Su-27 did :)
Moscow times is Finnish owned newspaper well known for critisizing Russian goverment. Its like reading about PAK-FA on Venezuelan owned newspaper known for critisizing US goverment. Theese are facts for PAK-FA over F-22 PAK-FA has -Stronger AESA radar -2 times bigger range -Capability of carrying long range missiles -3D thrust vectoring You can check that anywhere you want to
Some Russian military analyser`s statement. You see how funny biased informations are? You stated Moscow times which i told that is anti Russian goverment Finnish owned newspaper. You have also Kommrsant and Nezavisimaya gazeta, anti Russian goverment newspapers, so you might want to get more biased info from there.
As you mentioned, they have completely different doctrines. USAF along with rest of US army and USN has attacking doctrine. They are build to attack over over the world and VVS has doctrine of defending Russian soil and their interests in the region. Because of that and many other reasons we cant really even compare USAF and VVS except on paper, and on paper USAF is stronger. USN is also stronger than VMF but Russian ground forces and ICBMs are way superior to US.
Hey bro. MiG-29 isnt bad airplane, it also depends on what model, the new model is good as real modern jets, and still, older MiG, even MiG-21 has some advantages, like missles, radar, that are still better than NATO modern jets.
Great Russia gotta respect and love Suhoki! As a american with love for the USAF and its F-22 F-15 my other love is for sure RAF Su-35, Su-30MKI can't wait til see PAK-FA T-50 when its complete just a MARVEL to another great nation!
militaryparitet(dot)com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/387/ its in russian, so use google translate to translate to english....anyway it says that Russian air force colonel said how Russia is going to participate in Red flag in 2012
когда мы говорим про истребители,не забывайте про то сколько стоит каждый из них,их цена и рентабельность производства...на каждый самолет нато можно натравить десяток наших..
T-50 has better radar because F-22 radar is 10 years old technology and Russians are well known for making good radars and AA systems. Whole T-50 project is currently main project in whole Russian military and dozens of bueraus and corporations are working on it. Whole project is being overwatched by Putin himself, under all of those circumstances that will be the best fighter plane in the world when it enters serial production.
Meanwhile MiG21 can't be compared to modern fighters, MiG29 can but this is a light fighter, not meant to fight against Eurofighter or F-14/15/18/22/35. Su-35 is meant to fight F-22/35, Su-27 may be on the same level, if the russians continue keeping up with the americans the Su-27 family. However, i'd say latest sukhoi stuff is for sure not inferior to the latets american stuff.
AESA radar for PAK-FA is completed and T-50-3 already flown with it along with all the other electronics systems. T-50 (just shorter name for PAK-FA) has range of 5500km and F-22 has around 3000 with external tanks which make its RCS bigger. MiG-35 was just export plane, made for evaluation, it never entered serial production. MiG-29K/KUB is developed from it and it entered serial production and was bought by India in the end anyway.
Maybe because of the common sense and not just personal preference. F-35 is hole that drains money for 9 years, and not only US money, but money of like 10 more countries that believed in that project. Yeah, i would be mad too. Find me other Russian sources.
From serial production planes, yes. But PAK-FA is a lot superior to F-22. F-16 was first to fall off from MRCA tender. I read that Su-30 was unmatchable against F-16 or F-15 on Red flag? There was also comparison made by Australians between Su-30, F-35 and F-18E/F which has proven that Su-30 is superior to both of them and that F-35 is total shit and waste of money, there is even video on UA-cam about that.
And yes, maybe Russians have problem with developing some stuff but at least their fleet of planes isnt grounded for a year because of rusting ejection seats and metals in oxygen poisoning pilots?
Experts? Maybe guys from Pentagon that are angry because they cant develop F-35 for 9 years now with budget gone 2-3 times over original one. F-22s production is stopped, it has many flaws and it has never been used in combat. Great way to spend few bilion dollars with national debt of 14 thousand bilion dollars isnt it?
I googled it and that statement was said by Ashley Tellis. Guy that worked for State department and in US embassy in New delhi. You are kidding me right? Its like quoting guy that works for FSB saying Western jets are shit. Try to be a bit objective, read both Russian and US sources. There are Russian sources sayin that RCS of F-22 is actually 0.3m2 but i know that both sides are biased as fuck and for real informations you need find something in middle.
@aznpride0 That is BS dude. I dont understand how so many people think that US aircraft is better, seriously. Those never seen MiG and Drys' pilot manuevrs and stuff that RUS planes cna do.
Type Su-30 beats F-15 and you will get completely oposite information to that video. On the other hand, Russia is going to participate in Red flag this year probably so...
Lies? -I said PAKFA has superior avionics and thats true,check that out -I said PAKFA has RCS low enough to be undetectable by US radars which is also true -PAK-FA`s engines ARE meeting requirements,Sukhoi CEO statement is that. There are tons of "anti F-22" sources over the internet i can quote anytime,try to be realistic,US is in debt thats bigger than rest of the world together, there are big cuts of funding to army now and situation with F-22 is not good since whole fleet was down for year
PAK-FA has better radar, better weaponry, more capability, better manouverability, bigger range. India is buying PAK-FA, not F-35.....India is buying Su-30, not F-15, India is buying MiG-29K/KUB not F-18E/F, India is buying Rafale, not US plane, so your point is?
Its true that most of Russian planes are superior to US counterparts, but numbers do mean a lot. For example, latest MiG-29 is better than latest F-16, but Russia has less than 400 of them and US has 1200 F-16s. Thats a huge difference. US couldnt destroy VVS because of simple reason that there are more than 4000 planes in service + Russian AA systems that are best in the world, but if you compare them US air force is stronger.
I am Serbian,and our Air Force sucks..We have some planes home made and some russian planes like Mig 29,but if we could have MiG 35,Suhoi su 37,things would be much better for us...
All of theese countries are buying new Block 52 versions. Flankers are being bought recently by Indonesia, Vietnam,China,India, Angola, Algeria, Venezuela, Belarus, Uganda,Malaysia. I dont blame you for being subborn and ignorant, if every day you hear same shit on media you will trust in it.Also have in mind that 14 thousand billion dollars debt, its your debt, not mine.Russia along with China has no international debts, its matter of time when US economy will break.Funding wars cant even help
They have invested bilions into that and not F-35 like some European countries and Israel which are not getting now thing they invested into. Again, they both it for Su-30, not F-15. Bilions to gain for Russia, bilions to lose fo US. India is using RUSSIAN built carrier :) You see, Russian won billions and billion of dollars over US in India.
For god sake, you actually believe how guy who is american or works for them would give objective opinion on Russia? FFS even US high officials consider Russia as enemy and always talk shit about Russia. I cant simply believe how propaganda destroys your brain. At least im getting my info from different sources and trying to see what right and not whats nice.
And your argument makes sense? I give you facts on PAK-FA avionics and weaponry and all you have to say is F-22 is better, it has lower RCS....Typical American
Matter what? Are you debil? Tell me US/NATO and Russian AF doctrine please.? )) As I already said, our air force would definetly would use SAM (Tor, Pantsirs, 'Ushkas)
tell that to our pilots who were killed in fight against NATO planes during the war in 1999,and they had big problems with radar... sorry,but I think that MiG-21 and 29 aren't as good as MiG-35 and Suhoi 37..and we have some home made planes like "Galeb" or "Orao" and I think they are the worst... greetings from Republika Srpska my Orthodox brother!!!!
So far the best video on the Air Force on UA-cam!!!
Oh and you wanted sources of my info on range of both planes. Range of ~3000km for F-22 is info from official USAF website, and range of 5500km for PAK-FA is info published by Sukhoi officials.
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PAK-FA`s RCS is undetectable by radar as much as F-22`s. PAK-FA has 2 times bigger range of radar and its also AESA radar like on F-22. It has 2 times bigger range and can carry long range missiles like R-37 (250-400km anti awacs missiles) that F-22 cant. PAK-FA also has 2 more smaller radars on wings, 3D thrust vectoring, unlike F-22`s 2D. There are already 10 new engines built for new airframes of PAK-FA and one squadron should start exercies with weapons in Lipetsk flight center next year
Amazing...
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@MrMicoSrb
I have PAK-FA video, and i didnt put it because its still not in operational service, here are only planes and helicopters in service within Russian AF.
Now yes but French offered them development of engine for both Tejas and Rafales that are going to be delivered to them based on original version of Tejas engine, GTX-35VS Kaveri
Great job! I really love Sukhoi fighters...greetings from Bulgaria!
One word... Amazing...
@Humberto4790
He is former KGB agent, im not sure if he has black belt in karate but for sure knows it well and few other fighting techniques and he is not jet pilot, he just flew in Tu-160 as co-pilot.
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French offered full deal with Rafale too. Full technology transfer along with new AESA radar when its completed. They also offered new engine for HAL Tejas. India has previous experience with Dassault planes, Mirage 2000. It was pretty logical choice. I was best offer and best plane out there. And they could make balance between Russian and NATO weaponry, keeping kind of neutrality in their foreign relations.
Special thanks for the part with helicopters!
Yes, its used for big targets like Awacs or Bombers. F-22 does not have something like that in arsenal. Counterpart to AIM-120D is R-77, which has similar range, 160km.
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AN/ALR 94 i used so main radar APG-77 has lower emission and ALR94 has bigger range than radar itself to locate targets. PAK-FA doesnt even need that wth its radar`s range of 400km which is its effective range since it can carry missiles that can be fired at that distance unlike F-22 which longest range missile is AIM-120. As i mentioned there are 10 completely new engines for 5 new airframes ready for testing. AL-41F1. And that engine completely meets requirements.
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Well done!
F-22 has many flaws and almost whole 2011, entire fleet was grounded due to technical problems with oxygen and ejection seats. On the other hand, maintenance of 1 F-22 costs like 5 or more other planes and thats why production was stopped.
And your point is? Btw Su-30 can be fitted with AESA radar. And SM version has thrust vectoring and carries IRBIS-E, the best PESA radar in teh world. On the other hand, winner of MRCA, Rafale, still has PESA radar and French are currently developing AESA radar for it. Even though it had PESA radar it still won the tender.
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T-50 RCS is 0.01m2 from all aspects, F-22 RCS is 0.0001m2 from front and 0.01m2 from side or rear. Info is from ausairpower(dot)net. As i mentioned, T-50 uses completely new systems, nothing "soviet made" and it will be state of art fighter.
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Great job on the mix! Which movie maker did you use?
No, Russian air force bought Su-30SM instead, agreement was signed few weeks ago. Did F-22 change its radar during years?
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@sukhoi235 1:36 what jet is that?
No, F-16 fell out of tender first, not MiG-35. And there isnt an official list of "places" on that tender, that wasnt a child competition, it was 11 bilion dolars worth contract. Algeria returned MiG-29s because they decided to buy Su-30s, i dont really see how is this loss for Russia?
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You havent shown any proof for that either? Mig started development of light fighter, also with stealth characteristics, MiG LMFS. MiG-29 is aging aircraft and will be replaced by new fighter in the future. Just like USAF plans to change all F-16s with F-35 when/if it enters serial production
2 years. Much less than F-35. It does have weapons bay developed (it was developed back in 1997 on Su-47) and its known that it will use Gsh-301. F-22 crashed during testing so? Its quite normal that there are couple of problems here and there on testing, its not normal that 9 years with all the money and might you cant develop fighter.
AL-41F1 is not based on Saturn 117S. Its is in 117 family but its not based on 117S. Su-35 and PAK-FA dont have same engines. As i mentioned before PAK-FA has RCS low enough to be undetectable by any US radar. On the other hand F-22s stealth can be detected by Russian radars (AA systems). F-22 has range 2 times smaller than PAK-FA and with external fuel tanks, F-22s RCS is much greater and its main advantage-stealth is questionable.
I can simply say two things:
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2nd This video is awesome!
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Yes it is. I think you have to become Russian citizen though and do some exams and after that you can go to military school. Its even easier if you have a realtive who is Russian.
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Who is buying old F-16s? No one. Belgium is making and selling licencly F-16MLU and Turkey is building them also on licence i think. Other than that only versions sold are Block 52, 52+ and new 60. They were not impressed. So? They werent impressed with F-16 or F-18 either since they havent bought any of them. And yes, MiG-29 isnt really plane that is sold nowadays a lot but Su-27/30 on the other hand are being sold all over the world. In the end, it really doesnt matter if its MiG or Su.
You had export modified export versions back in 90's, made in Hungary and Poland. And there were no many dogfights. Well, obviously 21 and 29 arent good as 35 ))
Look at F-117 what happened. So called "Stealth plane".
Greetings from Russia brother )
WOW seeing Soviet aircraft in action at the end made the video complete as if to remind viewers of history. Also fun fact, Russians were the ones to come up with the fly by wire system using T-4 as a testbed. Yet one of the last Soviet fighter designs - MiG-29 did not incorporate this like Su-27 did :)
Moscow times is Finnish owned newspaper well known for critisizing Russian goverment. Its like reading about PAK-FA on Venezuelan owned newspaper known for critisizing US goverment.
Theese are facts for PAK-FA over F-22
PAK-FA has
-Stronger AESA radar
-2 times bigger range
-Capability of carrying long range missiles
-3D thrust vectoring
You can check that anywhere you want to
Aim-120D has range nowhere near R-37 which range is 400km.
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Some Russian military analyser`s statement. You see how funny biased informations are? You stated Moscow times which i told that is anti Russian goverment Finnish owned newspaper. You have also Kommrsant and Nezavisimaya gazeta, anti Russian goverment newspapers, so you might want to get more biased info from there.
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As you mentioned, they have completely different doctrines. USAF along with rest of US army and USN has attacking doctrine. They are build to attack over over the world and VVS has doctrine of defending Russian soil and their interests in the region. Because of that and many other reasons we cant really even compare USAF and VVS except on paper, and on paper USAF is stronger. USN is also stronger than VMF but Russian ground forces and ICBMs are way superior to US.
Hey bro.
MiG-29 isnt bad airplane, it also depends on what model, the new model is good as real modern jets, and still, older MiG, even MiG-21 has some advantages, like missles, radar, that are still better than NATO modern jets.
Great Russia gotta respect and love Suhoki! As a american with love for the USAF and its F-22 F-15 my other love is for sure RAF Su-35, Su-30MKI can't wait til see PAK-FA T-50 when its complete just a MARVEL to another great nation!
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militaryparitet(dot)com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/387/ its in russian, so use google translate to translate to english....anyway it says that Russian air force colonel said how Russia is going to participate in Red flag in 2012
когда мы говорим про истребители,не забывайте про то сколько стоит каждый из них,их цена и рентабельность производства...на каждый самолет нато можно натравить десяток наших..
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T-50 has better radar because F-22 radar is 10 years old technology and Russians are well known for making good radars and AA systems. Whole T-50 project is currently main project in whole Russian military and dozens of bueraus and corporations are working on it. Whole project is being overwatched by Putin himself, under all of those circumstances that will be the best fighter plane in the world when it enters serial production.
Meanwhile MiG21 can't be compared to modern fighters, MiG29 can but this is a light fighter, not meant to fight against Eurofighter or F-14/15/18/22/35. Su-35 is meant to fight F-22/35, Su-27 may be on the same level, if the russians continue keeping up with the americans the Su-27 family. However, i'd say latest sukhoi stuff is for sure not inferior to the latets american stuff.
AESA radar for PAK-FA is completed and T-50-3 already flown with it along with all the other electronics systems. T-50 (just shorter name for PAK-FA) has range of 5500km and F-22 has around 3000 with external tanks which make its RCS bigger. MiG-35 was just export plane, made for evaluation, it never entered serial production. MiG-29K/KUB is developed from it and it entered serial production and was bought by India in the end anyway.
Maybe because of the common sense and not just personal preference. F-35 is hole that drains money for 9 years, and not only US money, but money of like 10 more countries that believed in that project. Yeah, i would be mad too. Find me other Russian sources.
@sukhoi235 lol but he must learn russian perfectly or otherwise...
From serial production planes, yes. But PAK-FA is a lot superior to F-22. F-16 was first to fall off from MRCA tender. I read that Su-30 was unmatchable against F-16 or F-15 on Red flag? There was also comparison made by Australians between Su-30, F-35 and F-18E/F which has proven that Su-30 is superior to both of them and that F-35 is total shit and waste of money, there is even video on UA-cam about that.
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And yes, maybe Russians have problem with developing some stuff but at least their fleet of planes isnt grounded for a year because of rusting ejection seats and metals in oxygen poisoning pilots?
Experts? Maybe guys from Pentagon that are angry because they cant develop F-35 for 9 years now with budget gone 2-3 times over original one. F-22s production is stopped, it has many flaws and it has never been used in combat. Great way to spend few bilion dollars with national debt of 14 thousand bilion dollars isnt it?
1:41 - is he Wladimir Putin?
I googled it and that statement was said by Ashley Tellis. Guy that worked for State department and in US embassy in New delhi. You are kidding me right? Its like quoting guy that works for FSB saying Western jets are shit. Try to be a bit objective, read both Russian and US sources. There are Russian sources sayin that RCS of F-22 is actually 0.3m2 but i know that both sides are biased as fuck and for real informations you need find something in middle.
@aznpride0 That is BS dude. I dont understand how so many people think that US aircraft is better, seriously. Those never seen MiG and Drys' pilot manuevrs and stuff that RUS planes cna do.
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Type Su-30 beats F-15 and you will get completely oposite information to that video. On the other hand, Russia is going to participate in Red flag this year probably so...
Lies?
-I said PAKFA has superior avionics and thats true,check that out
-I said PAKFA has RCS low enough to be undetectable by US radars which is also true
-PAK-FA`s engines ARE meeting requirements,Sukhoi CEO statement is that.
There are tons of "anti F-22" sources over the internet i can quote anytime,try to be realistic,US is in debt thats bigger than rest of the world together, there are big cuts of funding to army now and situation with F-22 is not good since whole fleet was down for year
PAK-FA has better radar, better weaponry, more capability, better manouverability, bigger range. India is buying PAK-FA, not F-35.....India is buying Su-30, not F-15, India is buying MiG-29K/KUB not F-18E/F, India is buying Rafale, not US plane, so your point is?
Its true that most of Russian planes are superior to US counterparts, but numbers do mean a lot. For example, latest MiG-29 is better than latest F-16, but Russia has less than 400 of them and US has 1200 F-16s. Thats a huge difference. US couldnt destroy VVS because of simple reason that there are more than 4000 planes in service + Russian AA systems that are best in the world, but if you compare them US air force is stronger.
I am Serbian,and our Air Force sucks..We have some planes home made and some russian planes like Mig 29,but if we could have MiG 35,Suhoi su 37,things would be much better for us...
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All of theese countries are buying new Block 52 versions. Flankers are being bought recently by Indonesia, Vietnam,China,India, Angola, Algeria, Venezuela, Belarus, Uganda,Malaysia. I dont blame you for being subborn and ignorant, if every day you hear same shit on media you will trust in it.Also have in mind that 14 thousand billion dollars debt, its your debt, not mine.Russia along with China has no international debts, its matter of time when US economy will break.Funding wars cant even help
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They have invested bilions into that and not F-35 like some European countries and Israel which are not getting now thing they invested into. Again, they both it for Su-30, not F-15. Bilions to gain for Russia, bilions to lose fo US. India is using RUSSIAN built carrier :) You see, Russian won billions and billion of dollars over US in India.
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For god sake, you actually believe how guy who is american or works for them would give objective opinion on Russia? FFS even US high officials consider Russia as enemy and always talk shit about Russia. I cant simply believe how propaganda destroys your brain. At least im getting my info from different sources and trying to see what right and not whats nice.
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And your argument makes sense? I give you facts on PAK-FA avionics and weaponry and all you have to say is F-22 is better, it has lower RCS....Typical American
Matter what? Are you debil?
Tell me US/NATO and Russian AF doctrine please.? ))
As I already said, our air force would definetly would use SAM (Tor, Pantsirs, 'Ushkas)
tell that to our pilots who were killed in fight against NATO planes during the war in 1999,and they had big problems with radar... sorry,but I think that MiG-21 and 29 aren't as good as MiG-35 and Suhoi 37..and we have some home made planes like "Galeb" or "Orao" and I think they are the worst... greetings from Republika Srpska my Orthodox brother!!!!