The timescales of this mission are staggering. I've been a space nerd since the early 60s, but, until now, I had never thought in terms of a mission being launced that I might not see the end of. I will be in my 80s by the time JUICE reaches its target, so, for the first time, I'll be watching this rocket taking off wondering if I'll live to see the results...
Yea, I'm in the same position, by the time JUICE arrives into its final orbit I'll be in my mid 80's. Really would like to be around long enough to see the findings coming back from this wonderful piece of science and engineering. 🤞
Look at projects like Voyager... development started in the early 1960s, and fresh graduates who started with JPL back then were the people running the project by the time the probes arrived at Jupiter in 1979. And by now, some of them could have adult grandchildren who have joined JPL and inherited their grandparent's probes...
Ariane 5 launches are always spectacular - the rocket doesn’t hang around when those boosters light - it just wants to fly. Good luck to everyone involved in the mission.
I always like it when nations cooperate in scientific endeavors. It makes it easier to get the most bang for the buck when planning these missions. As long as all the data is shared, it betters everyone. It's just too bad i might not live long enough to see the fruition of this mission. But that's also part of the scientific endeavor, working towards enhancing our understanding of the universe, even though we ourselves might not be alive when the data is actually available.
I am at the tail end of my Engineering career and am seeing my mortality. I look at it this way. These efforts are like the European Cathedrals that took over a century to build. The people who started them built them for future generations.
Hi Scott!! I have a good friend that's on the Juice project team and has taken some great close ups of the last Ariane V on the pad and the payload prior to 'packing'
I'm so excited for this - one reason is that my wife's cousin is one of the guys that built RPWI instrument for JUICE. He'll actually visit us this weekend, so I hope we can celebrate successful launch together :D
This is going to bring some incredible data, but I find it difficult to get excited about long term missions that won't yield results till I'm old and grey-er
You have to look at missions that are close to arrival not launch. Like New Horizons a couple of years ago. There's Venus and Moon stuff coming up and Mars too. I don't want to think about things like Mars Sample Return. That'll be after my time.
JWST was in development for around 3 decades. Look at the amazing scientific data it is providing now. Long-term missions may be the ones to get most excited about!
If there was a consistently decent cadence of long term missions launching, that would result in a decent cadence of delivery. For that, we need cheaper rockets (coming) and commodity spacecraft that research agencies could just bolt a couple of bespoke instruments to.
It's also a gamble. In the years it takes for the spacecraft to get into position for its mission there are plenty of opportunities for something to go wrong. I'm always happy when something like New Horizons or Cassini gets all the way to its target and nothing major goes wrong.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Well, yes and no. Space is big, but it doesn't take JUICE 8 years to reach Jupiter: it will be doing the trip in 2.5 (last flyby of Earth is Jan 2029, arrival at Jupiter is in July 2031). The other 5.5 it's just bouncing around Earth and Venus to pick up speed.
The mission is longer than 8 years: 8 years to get to Jupiter, then about 4 to do science around Jupiter and its moons. And don't forget the 10+ years already spend planning the mission and building the space craft and instruments. More than 22 years will have passed between selecting the mission (May 2012) and its proposed crash landing (December 2024). And people must have started working on a project proposal long before its selection.
Shows how good solar arrays have gotten that Jupiter orbiters like Juno and JUICE can use them so far out there. Prior missions required RTGs. Also didn't have to scroll far down the comments for "2010" quotes! You have your thumbs-up!
Still it's not a very reliable solution considering that it'll take it some 10 years just to fly to Jupiter. Stuff can impact the arrays on the way there or it can encounter some previously unknown anomaly causing them to be severely degraded before the important part of the mission even starts.
@@_________________404 ESA is pretty good at solar power. The arrays are relatively tough for what they are designed to do and JUICE will be able to run on slightly less power. As for a 'previously unknown anomaly' That's why testing is done, to eliminate as much chance of that as possible. Yes there is always going to be some risk but so is life. You could choke to death on your coffee right now, it won't stop you taking a sip though.
I worked on the Atlas V launch system for New Horizons. We watched the launch in 2006 (on a closed circuit TV at work). 2015 seemed so far away, yet it arrived so quick. I suspect the same will be true here. Dang, time flies by way to fast when you get older!
thank you for making the New Horizon project a reality! Various TV programs and science book told childhood me that Pluto is just a cold, grey, dull orbiting rock. But the false-colour images of Pluto completely shattered that and I am glad to be alive to witness this and much more for coming years!
@@forgotultag1543 Thanks. I worked as a Tooling Engineer on the Atlas V booster team (the white rockets on the side of the main stage). We designed and developed the machinery to build them as well as the test stands. I was just one engineer amoung a vast organization working on it. It is amazing how many people are involved in such projects. It is pretty impressive seeing one of those boosters light up during a ground test and feeling the mini earthquake! Agree about being blown away by the images. I grew up in the 1970s and had a similar reaction to the Voyager I and II images. This stuff fostered a life long love of astronomy and engineering in me.
@@forgotultag1543 At the time, we had a huge launch party at work. There was a closed circuit telecast of the event. Everyone at all levels of staff watched and cheered as it took off. Unfortunately I did not travel to the Cape (we are in California), but the comradery of that day was the next best thing. Good times! Though most of my experience has been in Aerospace, I now work in Transportation. Great work, but there is something unmatchable working on space stuff.
@@aemrt5745 I can't imagine - that sheer excitement and yet calm realization that you, and 1000+ people making a mark in the annals of Space Exploration history. Hope you have a good weekend.
@@forgotultag1543 Thanks. It is an awesome feeling. BTW, mixed in with that is a bit of anxiety. When watching the New Horizons launch, we were always worried something could go wrong with our hardware. We had full confidence and understanding of the high odds of success, but as a human you cannot help it! When the boosters burned out and were dumped, there was a huge feeling of relief they worked! Have a great weekend too!!!
when I saw that 10 years travel time, I thought it was crazy long, we got to Jupiter faster before. but when you look at what this specific mission need and the orbital path, you get it. damn space travel is complicated. Also it is a big spacecraft. The launch was aborted today because of weather. I hope it does not get pushed back too much. go Ariane!
Yeah incredibly long. It takes only 2.5years after the last Venus flyby to Jupiter. That’s probably the shortest possible travel time. This fuel savings sucks a bit. With starship ready and the opportunity to have lots of fuel for such spacecraft, those one can arrive earlier than juice at Jupiter :)
You really should thank Gerald Eichstädt for the use of his amazing Juno Jupiter flyby videos he makes from stitched together Juno images. It takes so much effort for thim to do this, a simple acknowledgement is courteous.
I've been looking at the game "Barotrauma" where you pilot a submarine below the ice of Europa, which proposes that the icy moon of Jupiter does in fact have life, but that is not necessarily a good thing.
You'll get some wide angle color images from the monitoring cameras too, hopefully beginning at fairing deployment. I just happen to know this because I worked on these 2 cameras since 2017
My money is still on Europa, but we're bound to find lots of interesting stuff on Ganymede too. As always, if we knew what we were going to find there would be no point in doing the research... We've *got* to give Titan a closer look. We also need better propulsion: what we can do with chemical rockets and gravity assist just doesn't cut it.
If Dragonfly flies within the next ten years then Titan will definitely be getting close looks! Can't get much closer to the atmosphere than a helicopter flying within it, can we?
I live in the mid west of Australia and just happened to look up at the sky and see the JUICE rocket burning through it’s second stage! First launch I have ever seen, even got some nice pictures 👍
I celebrate the brains and effort that gets a mission like this, to at least here. I'm also confidant that the mission will play out and it will be likely the first that I have an understanding of, because of you Scott, and KSP.
@@gptiede well, Jupiter has presumably a solid core made of ice, rock and metal having a mass around 15/18 Earth so technically there is something to land on... if you can endure the gigantonormous forces and radiation in the first place.
I wish we could develop faster rockets so these deep space missions could get there quicker. I'm 66 now and by the time this mission reaches Jupiter I'll be pushing 80 - if I'm still around. Good luck Ariane. I'll be watching the launch with fingers crossed.
@Patreeko Time and political. ESA using a European launcher. Europa Clipper is heavier, launching 18 months later on a Falcon Heavy but arriving at Jupiter 15 months earlier.
@@chrisparrspacey_uk6917 Is that political or is that because the project was started and contracts awarded before Falcon Heavy existed? Europa Clipper was rebooted, so a different launch vehicle had to be chosen.
@@patreekotime4578 JUICE has been in development and set to launch on Ariane 5 since 2011 (it's original launch date has slipped only by a year). No politics involved in not using rockets owned by the Far-Right's favourite billionaire.
@@chrisparrspacey_uk6917 ESA is doing enough damage by putting Euclid etc to launch on the Nazi launchers because of delays on Ariane 6, but JUICE's launch on Ariane 5 was set down on years before the Nazi Heavy launched for the first time.
I'm used to these gravity assisted missions. I was at CalTech (as a Planetary Society member, not a student) in 1992 for the second Galileo flyby of Earth. But now, I'm starting to wonder if, say, a 100 ton payload + third stage could launch several years from now and still beat JUICE to Jupiter. I know, i know, spacecraft are much more expensive than launches, but i just have the feeling that the "old style" mission plans will soon be history.
Seriously doubt the 100 ton part(as in 100 ton payload before 2030 with no gravity assists, not that we would naver have this capability). But obviously we are perfectly capable to send a probe to Juputer without gravity assists, in fact we did it already.
Nuclear thermal / electric propulsion would probably be more effective than just adding moar boostars. Though I do like to imagine what kind of insane probe mission one could accomplish with a 100+ ton payload margin. Maybe get an orbiter, atmospheric probe and lunar rover to planet 9 once we find it!
I hope I'm around to see the results of this mission sent back to us. It's so exciting that we get these great probes out there. Love the pure science missions. What a wonderous age this is.
I'm curious about the structural design of those solar panels to the main body. I'm sure they made sure it's gonna be strong enough, but it looks kinda finnicky. Feels like a burn would put a lot of stress on the trusses(?) (even in a vacuum), or are those solar panels like ultra light weight?
@@IsardPragmatique93 nope, those are chemical ones with 425N / 95lbf of trust using just near 3700kg of NTO/MMH (for both attitude control and propulsion). But 425N is indeed very, very small but far beyond what ionic can offer.
One tiny problem with this, and so many other, space videos - it's not always obvious what is CGI and what is real. Could you do what Astrum does and indicate which visuals are CGI? It would be greatly appreciated.
I dont think many of these are strictly "pure" photographs. But I dont think any are strictly digital creations either. Most of them are assembled images of hundreds of actual photographs, animated in 3D and shaded. So if it starts from a photograph, is that "real" or CGI? Or as in the case with false color images based on data sets that dont represent visible light... is it "real" if it isnt true color? Are assembled images still considered photographs? Also, assembled photographs often dont look very good because often the view angles and lighting change between passes... or sometimes camera view angles add distortion, so they HAVE to be digitally processed to look like anything even remotely like a planet. It quickly becomes a very complex and even a political distinction that few people are likely even qualified to take on. But generally, these days if you are looking at "CGI" of Jupiter, it is usually based on real assembled photographs. Compare that with the Star Trek The Next Generation CGI artwork. The planets in that artwork were all created using digital paintings made by artists and then 3D animated. That is pure CGI and you rarely see that anymore, because we have the images, why not use them?
@@patreekotime4578 all good and interesting points, but I still think it would be better to know what we are looking at. It's obviously more interesting and informative to see a video made up of enhanced pictures stitched together and animated - no problem with that - but I'd like to know that's what it is, not just a clever bit of CGI. The problem we have now is that CGI is so good that it's almost indistinguishable from reality (and often 'better') so we're entering a world where you could almost argue that there's no point in sending expensive probes to the planets, when we can already 'see' a much better CGI. I wouldn't argue this, but then again I'm on very thin ice if I can't distinguish between CGI and the real thing! A pertinent example of this at the time of writing is the long awaited first orbital flight of Starship. There are so many excellent CGI renderings of this already around, that the real thing is only going to be recognisable by it's lower quality and the lack of 'impossible' angles (rocket emerging from clouds, taken from above, for example!) - or by something going wrong! As a space nerd, I, of course, want to see the real thing, warts and all. But there are millions (billions?) out there who wouldn't know if the TV company was using a CGI rendering when reporting the launch, because it looks more 'real' than the actual footage. Admittedly (with the rapid development of CGI, AI, etc) this is an existential problem that is only going to get worse and we'll probably just have to live with it. But Scott could do his bit towards clarity by just telling us what we're actually looking at.
@@paulhaynes8045 So yall want him to produce his normal videos, and on top of that invent a nomenclature for describing all of the possible variations of manipulated digital images and then research every single image or clip he uses and correctly label it? You realize there a high probability that he likely doesnt know or the attribution is very vague. The current way of attributing images to say "artist's Impression" for anything that isnt strictly a photograph even when the image begins with actual photographs. Because "artists impression" can be anything from a oil painting completely invented in an artists head, to CGI based on real photographs and slightly manipulated (the lightning images come to mind). "Artists impression" doesnt even tell you if its CGI or oil paint, so its kind of pointless. And again, like I said, are false color images real or not? It becomes a rabbit hole and you are asking one random UA-camr to be the arbitor of how that attribution should be done when even NASA is vague on what is a real photograph and what is an assemblage? Like I said before, where is the line between "CGI" and "assembled image"? Is one "real" and one "fake"? Who decides? Yeah, not unreasonable at all. 🙄
I can imagine thermal heating from gravity in a solid body but surely as soon as the hotter parts start getting mailable they just move rather than generate heat?
@@bbgun061 Well yes, but no. Very different scales. When you're sat on a train doing 150km/h you're not way hotter than when stationary on the platform. @Jake S. Malleable parts still have friction, and don't have perfect elasticity. Take a rubber band, stretch it out in full and then let it contract again. Do that 50 times in quick succession. You'll see it's noticeably hotter at the end.
With a more powerful rocket could JUICE have taken a more direct route to Jupiter? I love the thought that after the initial launch, probes are essentially freefalling from Earth to the neighbouring planets... sure there are small course corrections with thrusters or reaction wheels but they're still basically falling. There's just something elegant about that which I like.
Yes, but it's costly. Using planetary flybys to raise aphelion is cheaper but takes longer. New Horizons got there in 13 months but was going so fast it couldn't slow down.
Thank you for this review! Yes, it's quite a long route to reach Jupiter for JUICE. Even Cassini did it faster, but it was a longer journey - to Saturn.
Wow... It's going to be game changing when we get an honestly powerful non-chemical drive. Something that can push 1G for a few weeks would give us the system.
Im so excited that the multiple mega mission of europa and ganymed orbiters got an revival with little changes! Icy Moons Explorer and Europa Clipper will be the stars of space probes for Europe and US. That they will work together at the same time, the japanese team onbaord and as children of the legendary galileo and cassini mission. Wow! Good luck for the team and maybe we find another life in the solar system. I can't wait.
Absolutely, Uranus and Neptune orbiters are overdue. It's all well and good focussing missions on the interesting moons of Jupiter and Saturn, but without Uranus and Neptune orbiters we don't even know which of their moons might be as interesting. It's been said that we went to look and Jupiter and Saturn and the real discovery was their moons.
@@owensmith7530 agree. We don’t even know enough to know what we want to know, if any of that made since. Haha I could be wrong but I think voyager only did a fly by.
Thank you for these Details on this mission. Love it. But, while it's intuitive how a spacecraft uses gravity to accelerate, it's counterintuitive to understand how we can use gravity to slow down spacecraft. Can you please make a video on how the physics of this maneuver works? This would be great.
Back then, the MONOLITH warned us ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT - EUROPA - ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE USE THEM TOGETHER USE THEM IN PEACE ''2010: The Year We Make Contact'' Well, hopefully there won't be any problems, because we're sending a probe there ;-) laughing Greetings from Germany Thanks for all the good Videos
I like how JUICE will still be doing gravity assists of Earth in 2029, what a really powerful and mighty rocket with high C3 Ariane 5 is, really great to see planetary exploration using classic 1970's techniques in 2023 thanks to mass fraction constraints, this is definitely the most efficient and sensible way to explore the outer planets....
Thank you to all the internet science nerds who are willing to process the images. From us not so serious science nerds who simply like to bask in the amazingness of the galaxy.
Wow, quite a number of interesting comments from long-time space followers in this community who are now oldies wondering if they'll still see results of this mission coming out. Just take good care of your health and we'll wish you the best.
Thank you Scott. Back on point. The motor(s) on Juice firing, again, again, on time on budget, 12 years in !? After passing through radiation, high magnetic fields, micro asteroids.
Voyager II was built with 1970s technology, visited four gas giant planets, and it still operational 43 years after launch. Engineers, we solve problems!
I do hope we get a picture of an eclipse caused by Jupiter while in orbit of Ganymede... Sometimes around 2035? How much sooner could this mission get to its destination if it had a beefier launch vehicle? If one of the other reusable super-heavy vehicles brings the cost of massive launches down below the cost of an Ariane 5 launch in the next few years, we could probably leapfrog JUICE and get a second mission out there before it arrives...
When Scott is explaining the route JUICE is going to take to Ganymede, all I can hear is Matt Lowne: "So we will depart for Jool with the Eve - Kerbin - Kerbin gravity assist, and once we get to Jool, we will capture into its orbit using Tylo's massive gravity well."
It seems fitting that Europe is doing a mission to Europa! I mean, in many European languages such as German or Greek, the two words are homonyms. So the space privé will feel right at home 😄
Honestly quite proud that we as Europeans manage to do such a mission on our own. Really hope it will be successful. And I wish all nations would invest more into space exploration. Quite sad that something as stupid as a financial crisis has slowed down our progress
@@AndrewHillis_2024 I keep hearing that. I heard that in grade school....doesn't seem to be panning out. I'm 40 at this point, and there might not be any breakthroughs in time to help us out. Then again, i certainly have no plans to die at the ripe old age of 50...That's less than ten years from now. If i make it to 90 in good health, I'll call that a win. I had a decent spawn point, put some points in a few skills, and have done alright. plenty of points in luck this time around.
Why are the outer wrappings on space probes wrinkly? I would assume, with the precision these craft are built, that even a very fine film could be applied more evenly? Thermal expansion can't possibly so pronounced it needs that extra material, can it?
The insulation is made of thin layers, if the layers touch then the insulation doesn't work as well. Turns out the lightest way to do this is to let it wrinkle.
Imagine what we could do using a super heavy as first stage for a custom payload or a repurposed starship as second stage. More onboard fuel, more delta V, more mass, size, more instruments, bigger antennas, solar panels..
The timescales of this mission are staggering. I've been a space nerd since the early 60s, but, until now, I had never thought in terms of a mission being launced that I might not see the end of. I will be in my 80s by the time JUICE reaches its target, so, for the first time, I'll be watching this rocket taking off wondering if I'll live to see the results...
Fingers crossed that you will be able to. ☺️
I just wanna be around to taste the fish from Europa..🎣
God bless you
Yea, I'm in the same position, by the time JUICE arrives into its final orbit I'll be in my mid 80's. Really would like to be around long enough to see the findings coming back from this wonderful piece of science and engineering. 🤞
Look at projects like Voyager... development started in the early 1960s, and fresh graduates who started with JPL back then were the people running the project by the time the probes arrived at Jupiter in 1979. And by now, some of them could have adult grandchildren who have joined JPL and inherited their grandparent's probes...
Ariane 5 launches are always spectacular - the rocket doesn’t hang around when those boosters light - it just wants to fly. Good luck to everyone involved in the mission.
Isn't this the second to last Ariane 5 launch?
@@owensmith7530 Actually this is the last Ariane 5 launch. Its Ariane 6 replacement will fly a prototype at the end of this year.
It def jumps off the launch pad
You haven't seen any Indian launches..?
@@John_Honai Yeah the ISRO's GSLV M3 rocket is like a little sibling version of Ariane 5!
I always like it when nations cooperate in scientific endeavors. It makes it easier to get the most bang for the buck when planning these missions. As long as all the data is shared, it betters everyone.
It's just too bad i might not live long enough to see the fruition of this mission. But that's also part of the scientific endeavor, working towards enhancing our understanding of the universe, even though we ourselves might not be alive when the data is actually available.
I am at the tail end of my Engineering career and am seeing my mortality. I look at it this way. These efforts are like the European Cathedrals that took over a century to build. The people who started them built them for future generations.
Sheesh ... I'll be pushing 80 when the results start coming in. Here's hoping the spacecraft and I are both working well when the time comes.😉
I'm sure you'll be hail and hearty and we'll all still be following Scott's updates!
Yeah it's an extra long journey just bouncing around for years. Should just burn straight there I reckon.
@@croweater78 I think if the spacecraft is going too fast, it can't go into orbit.
U old.
I'll drink to that! Health!
Hi Scott!! I have a good friend that's on the Juice project team and has taken some great close ups of the last Ariane V on the pad and the payload prior to 'packing'
Interview!! :)
I thought it was second to last Ariane 5?
It would have been the last one but Heinrich Hertz got delayed so it's now the second-to-last one
I'm so excited for this - one reason is that my wife's cousin is one of the guys that built RPWI instrument for JUICE. He'll actually visit us this weekend, so I hope we can celebrate successful launch together :D
Scott's videos are always highly informative - and he highlights missions that "other" channels ignore - good work !
This is going to bring some incredible data, but I find it difficult to get excited about long term missions that won't yield results till I'm old and grey-er
You have to look at missions that are close to arrival not launch. Like New Horizons a couple of years ago. There's Venus and Moon stuff coming up and Mars too. I don't want to think about things like Mars Sample Return. That'll be after my time.
JWST was in development for around 3 decades. Look at the amazing scientific data it is providing now. Long-term missions may be the ones to get most excited about!
Think of it as a big additional motivation to live healthy and long life so you can be alive when discovery is made.
If there was a consistently decent cadence of long term missions launching, that would result in a decent cadence of delivery. For that, we need cheaper rockets (coming) and commodity spacecraft that research agencies could just bolt a couple of bespoke instruments to.
It's also a gamble. In the years it takes for the spacecraft to get into position for its mission there are plenty of opportunities for something to go wrong. I'm always happy when something like New Horizons or Cassini gets all the way to its target and nothing major goes wrong.
I find it amazing how these people plan for 8+ year-long missions. Hope I'll be around to see the science!
It also reminds you how BIG the solar system is. :)
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Well, yes and no. Space is big, but it doesn't take JUICE 8 years to reach Jupiter: it will be doing the trip in 2.5 (last flyby of Earth is Jan 2029, arrival at Jupiter is in July 2031). The other 5.5 it's just bouncing around Earth and Venus to pick up speed.
The mission is longer than 8 years: 8 years to get to Jupiter, then about 4 to do science around Jupiter and its moons. And don't forget the 10+ years already spend planning the mission and building the space craft and instruments. More than 22 years will have passed between selecting the mission (May 2012) and its proposed crash landing (December 2024). And people must have started working on a project proposal long before its selection.
Good luck to ESA and to the JUICE mission! Can't wait to see what amazing discoveries the probe will find!
Shows how good solar arrays have gotten that Jupiter orbiters like Juno and JUICE can use them so far out there. Prior missions required RTGs.
Also didn't have to scroll far down the comments for "2010" quotes! You have your thumbs-up!
Nuclear seems like it would be more robust in all that radiation.
Still it's not a very reliable solution considering that it'll take it some 10 years just to fly to Jupiter. Stuff can impact the arrays on the way there or it can encounter some previously unknown anomaly causing them to be severely degraded before the important part of the mission even starts.
@@_________________404 ESA is pretty good at solar power. The arrays are relatively tough for what they are designed to do and JUICE will be able to run on slightly less power. As for a 'previously unknown anomaly' That's why testing is done, to eliminate as much chance of that as possible. Yes there is always going to be some risk but so is life. You could choke to death on your coffee right now, it won't stop you taking a sip though.
I worked on the Atlas V launch system for New Horizons. We watched the launch in 2006 (on a closed circuit TV at work). 2015 seemed so far away, yet it arrived so quick. I suspect the same will be true here. Dang, time flies by way to fast when you get older!
thank you for making the New Horizon project a reality!
Various TV programs and science book told childhood me that Pluto is just a cold, grey, dull orbiting rock. But the false-colour images of Pluto completely shattered that and I am glad to be alive to witness this and much more for coming years!
@@forgotultag1543 Thanks. I worked as a Tooling Engineer on the Atlas V booster team (the white rockets on the side of the main stage). We designed and developed the machinery to build them as well as the test stands. I was just one engineer amoung a vast organization working on it. It is amazing how many people are involved in such projects. It is pretty impressive seeing one of those boosters light up during a ground test and feeling the mini earthquake!
Agree about being blown away by the images. I grew up in the 1970s and had a similar reaction to the Voyager I and II images.
This stuff fostered a life long love of astronomy and engineering in me.
@@forgotultag1543 At the time, we had a huge launch party at work. There was a closed circuit telecast of the event. Everyone at all levels of staff watched and cheered as it took off. Unfortunately I did not travel to the Cape (we are in California), but the comradery of that day was the next best thing.
Good times! Though most of my experience has been in Aerospace, I now work in Transportation. Great work, but there is something unmatchable working on space stuff.
@@aemrt5745 I can't imagine - that sheer excitement and yet calm realization that you, and 1000+ people making a mark in the annals of Space Exploration history.
Hope you have a good weekend.
@@forgotultag1543 Thanks. It is an awesome feeling. BTW, mixed in with that is a bit of anxiety. When watching the New Horizons launch, we were always worried something could go wrong with our hardware. We had full confidence and understanding of the high odds of success, but as a human you cannot help it! When the boosters burned out and were dumped, there was a huge feeling of relief they worked!
Have a great weekend too!!!
when I saw that 10 years travel time, I thought it was crazy long, we got to Jupiter faster before. but when you look at what this specific mission need and the orbital path, you get it. damn space travel is complicated. Also it is a big spacecraft. The launch was aborted today because of weather. I hope it does not get pushed back too much. go Ariane!
Yeah incredibly long. It takes only 2.5years after the last Venus flyby to Jupiter. That’s probably the shortest possible travel time. This fuel savings sucks a bit. With starship ready and the opportunity to have lots of fuel for such spacecraft, those one can arrive earlier than juice at Jupiter :)
I cannot wait for its insights into football that will come in thousands of years. Best of luck ESA!
You really should thank Gerald Eichstädt for the use of his amazing Juno Jupiter flyby videos he makes from stitched together Juno images. It takes so much effort for thim to do this, a simple acknowledgement is courteous.
I've been looking at the game "Barotrauma" where you pilot a submarine below the ice of Europa, which proposes that the icy moon of Jupiter does in fact have life, but that is not necessarily a good thing.
Arthur C. Clarke's book 2010: Odyssey Two also saw some Chinese astronauts discovering life on Europa the hard way.
*honk*
@@RCAvhstape well, they were warned!!!
@@patreekotime4578 No, the warning comes later in the story.
Awesome mission, go ESA!!
Europa Clipper launches after JUICE but actually will get to Jupiter before b/c much higher Characteristic Energy .
The thing's hollow -- it goes on forever -- and -- oh my God! -- it's full of stars!
You'll get some wide angle color images from the monitoring cameras too, hopefully beginning at fairing deployment.
I just happen to know this because I worked on these 2 cameras since 2017
My money is still on Europa, but we're bound to find lots of interesting stuff on Ganymede too. As always, if we knew what we were going to find there would be no point in doing the research...
We've *got* to give Titan a closer look. We also need better propulsion: what we can do with chemical rockets and gravity assist just doesn't cut it.
If Dragonfly flies within the next ten years then Titan will definitely be getting close looks! Can't get much closer to the atmosphere than a helicopter flying within it, can we?
@@chrisoddy8744 i want the lakes explored
Nicely done good sir. I value your offerings as significant and informative. Thank you
I live in the mid west of Australia and just happened to look up at the sky and see the JUICE rocket burning through it’s second stage! First launch I have ever seen, even got some nice pictures 👍
I celebrate the brains and effort that gets a mission like this, to at least here. I'm also confidant that the mission will play out and it will be likely the first that I have an understanding of, because of you Scott, and KSP.
3:56 Land on Jupiter? What is this, KSP?
Wondering the same....
Does Jupiter actually have mass to land on, I don't know but doubt it.
He meant land on Ganymead. The Laplace-P was originally planned to be a Europa Lander, then a Ganymead lander, and then got canceled.
@@Icantkeepout No, it doesn't. You are correct. I think Scott misspoke.
@@gptiede well, Jupiter has presumably a solid core made of ice, rock and metal having a mass around 15/18 Earth so technically there is something to land on... if you can endure the gigantonormous forces and radiation in the first place.
I love how Scott pronounces moon.😊
Moo in !
I wish we could develop faster rockets so these deep space missions could get there quicker. I'm 66 now and by the time this mission reaches Jupiter I'll be pushing 80 - if I'm still around. Good luck Ariane. I'll be watching the launch with fingers crossed.
We could get there faster with current tech if money was no object. This method is just more efficient/cheaper.
@Patreeko Time and political. ESA using a European launcher. Europa Clipper is heavier, launching 18 months later on a Falcon Heavy but arriving at Jupiter 15 months earlier.
@@chrisparrspacey_uk6917 Is that political or is that because the project was started and contracts awarded before Falcon Heavy existed? Europa Clipper was rebooted, so a different launch vehicle had to be chosen.
@@patreekotime4578 JUICE has been in development and set to launch on Ariane 5 since 2011 (it's original launch date has slipped only by a year). No politics involved in not using rockets owned by the Far-Right's favourite billionaire.
@@chrisparrspacey_uk6917 ESA is doing enough damage by putting Euclid etc to launch on the Nazi launchers because of delays on Ariane 6, but JUICE's launch on Ariane 5 was set down on years before the Nazi Heavy launched for the first time.
I'm used to these gravity assisted missions. I was at CalTech (as a Planetary Society member, not a student) in 1992 for the second Galileo flyby of Earth. But now, I'm starting to wonder if, say, a 100 ton payload + third stage could launch several years from now and still beat JUICE to Jupiter. I know, i know, spacecraft are much more expensive than launches, but i just have the feeling that the "old style" mission plans will soon be history.
Seriously doubt the 100 ton part(as in 100 ton payload before 2030 with no gravity assists, not that we would naver have this capability). But obviously we are perfectly capable to send a probe to Juputer without gravity assists, in fact we did it already.
Beating it to Jupiter is only half the problem, you need to slow it down once it gets there or it'll fly right by.
Nuclear thermal / electric propulsion would probably be more effective than just adding moar boostars.
Though I do like to imagine what kind of insane probe mission one could accomplish with a 100+ ton payload margin. Maybe get an orbiter, atmospheric probe and lunar rover to planet 9 once we find it!
I didn't know about the Juice mission. I'm very excited about what we'll learn.
Thanks, Scott. Great video about the future of Jupiter exploration.
Wow, thank you so much for this video. I didn’t know how ambitious and complex this mission was. Fascinating stuff. “Fly safe” indeed!
So, uh, shall I say it? When this mission launches THE JUICE IS LOOSE
If I Did It
Be amusing if somebody snuck a small diagram of a white ford bronco onto the probe, maybe on a circuit board somewhere.
5:21 this lot of white storms in a row is so beautiful... Like a marble necklace!
Thanks for the update on these interplanetary missions.
Kickass! 🤘
Hi algorithm, you're looking efficient today. New cooling tower air filters?
My CPU is a neural net processor. A learning computer. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
Hey I know this from the Jon Bois series!
Let's give it up for Game 27!
I hope I'm around to see the results of this mission sent back to us. It's so exciting that we get these great probes out there. Love the pure science missions. What a wonderous age this is.
Thanks, Scott! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I'm curious about the structural design of those solar panels to the main body. I'm sure they made sure it's gonna be strong enough, but it looks kinda finnicky. Feels like a burn would put a lot of stress on the trusses(?) (even in a vacuum), or are those solar panels like ultra light weight?
80 square metres of solar panels! Wow
Really depends on the power of the engine. Just found out, just under 100lbs of thrust.
Engine has low trust but burns for a very long time so the acceleration is very low
@@IsardPragmatique93 nope, those are chemical ones with 425N / 95lbf of trust using just near 3700kg of NTO/MMH (for both attitude control and propulsion).
But 425N is indeed very, very small but far beyond what ionic can offer.
@@IsardPragmatique93 Theres not enough solar power out at Jupiter to make ion engines worth it
Not sure why, but I lost it when Scott cleared his throat...
I identify closer with pioneer 9 and 10 but juice is so much more fun lol
I identify as an attack helicopter...on mars...one which attacks and collects scientific data and streams it back to earth.
One tiny problem with this, and so many other, space videos - it's not always obvious what is CGI and what is real. Could you do what Astrum does and indicate which visuals are CGI? It would be greatly appreciated.
I second this!
Good suggestion !
I dont think many of these are strictly "pure" photographs. But I dont think any are strictly digital creations either. Most of them are assembled images of hundreds of actual photographs, animated in 3D and shaded. So if it starts from a photograph, is that "real" or CGI? Or as in the case with false color images based on data sets that dont represent visible light... is it "real" if it isnt true color? Are assembled images still considered photographs? Also, assembled photographs often dont look very good because often the view angles and lighting change between passes... or sometimes camera view angles add distortion, so they HAVE to be digitally processed to look like anything even remotely like a planet. It quickly becomes a very complex and even a political distinction that few people are likely even qualified to take on.
But generally, these days if you are looking at "CGI" of Jupiter, it is usually based on real assembled photographs. Compare that with the Star Trek The Next Generation CGI artwork. The planets in that artwork were all created using digital paintings made by artists and then 3D animated. That is pure CGI and you rarely see that anymore, because we have the images, why not use them?
@@patreekotime4578 all good and interesting points, but I still think it would be better to know what we are looking at. It's obviously more interesting and informative to see a video made up of enhanced pictures stitched together and animated - no problem with that - but I'd like to know that's what it is, not just a clever bit of CGI.
The problem we have now is that CGI is so good that it's almost indistinguishable from reality (and often 'better') so we're entering a world where you could almost argue that there's no point in sending expensive probes to the planets, when we can already 'see' a much better CGI. I wouldn't argue this, but then again I'm on very thin ice if I can't distinguish between CGI and the real thing!
A pertinent example of this at the time of writing is the long awaited first orbital flight of Starship. There are so many excellent CGI renderings of this already around, that the real thing is only going to be recognisable by it's lower quality and the lack of 'impossible' angles (rocket emerging from clouds, taken from above, for example!) - or by something going wrong!
As a space nerd, I, of course, want to see the real thing, warts and all. But there are millions (billions?) out there who wouldn't know if the TV company was using a CGI rendering when reporting the launch, because it looks more 'real' than the actual footage.
Admittedly (with the rapid development of CGI, AI, etc) this is an existential problem that is only going to get worse and we'll probably just have to live with it. But Scott could do his bit towards clarity by just telling us what we're actually looking at.
@@paulhaynes8045 So yall want him to produce his normal videos, and on top of that invent a nomenclature for describing all of the possible variations of manipulated digital images and then research every single image or clip he uses and correctly label it? You realize there a high probability that he likely doesnt know or the attribution is very vague. The current way of attributing images to say "artist's Impression" for anything that isnt strictly a photograph even when the image begins with actual photographs. Because "artists impression" can be anything from a oil painting completely invented in an artists head, to CGI based on real photographs and slightly manipulated (the lightning images come to mind). "Artists impression" doesnt even tell you if its CGI or oil paint, so its kind of pointless. And again, like I said, are false color images real or not? It becomes a rabbit hole and you are asking one random UA-camr to be the arbitor of how that attribution should be done when even NASA is vague on what is a real photograph and what is an assemblage? Like I said before, where is the line between "CGI" and "assembled image"? Is one "real" and one "fake"? Who decides? Yeah, not unreasonable at all. 🙄
I am holding my breath for this! Wow 10 years for a human is a long time but for in galactic terms very short.
The devs of Juno: New Origins apparently partnered with the ESA to add some sort of juice mission.
I can imagine thermal heating from gravity in a solid body but surely as soon as the hotter parts start getting mailable they just move rather than generate heat?
ah, but heat IS movement!
@@bbgun061 Well yes, but no. Very different scales. When you're sat on a train doing 150km/h you're not way hotter than when stationary on the platform.
@Jake S. Malleable parts still have friction, and don't have perfect elasticity. Take a rubber band, stretch it out in full and then let it contract again. Do that 50 times in quick succession. You'll see it's noticeably hotter at the end.
It's impressive juice going to Jupiter like that 🌌 cheers ESA , good luck
With a more powerful rocket could JUICE have taken a more direct route to Jupiter? I love the thought that after the initial launch, probes are essentially freefalling from Earth to the neighbouring planets... sure there are small course corrections with thrusters or reaction wheels but they're still basically falling. There's just something elegant about that which I like.
Yes, but it's costly. Using planetary flybys to raise aphelion is cheaper but takes longer. New Horizons got there in 13 months but was going so fast it couldn't slow down.
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“ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA.
ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE.
USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE.”
Very informative! Especially with the oribit animations. Hope your videos are still going in the 30’s so we get good coverage of the results!
Thank you for this review! Yes, it's quite a long route to reach Jupiter for JUICE. Even Cassini did it faster, but it was a longer journey - to Saturn.
4:02 "hoping to land on Jupiter" ... That would be quite a feat! I think you meant Ganymede.
Wow... It's going to be game changing when we get an honestly powerful non-chemical drive. Something that can push 1G for a few weeks would give us the system.
I am SO looking forward to what JUICE finds!
People are talking about all of the science JUICE will gather, but personally I'm excited for what he's going to do for college football.
Actually been waiting for this. Searching for life underneath the surface.
Im so excited that the multiple mega mission of europa and ganymed orbiters got an revival with little changes! Icy Moons Explorer and Europa Clipper will be the stars of space probes for Europe and US. That they will work together at the same time, the japanese team onbaord and as children of the legendary galileo and cassini mission. Wow!
Good luck for the team and maybe we find another life in the solar system. I can't wait.
I can only imagine what space agencies around the world could do with a budget as large as the US military budget
11 years is quite some road trip 😳
This is the best thing I ever saw.
I really wish they would get orbiters for Uranus and Neptune. I know it’s hard to do, but I think it would be worth it.
Absolutely, Uranus and Neptune orbiters are overdue. It's all well and good focussing missions on the interesting moons of Jupiter and Saturn, but without Uranus and Neptune orbiters we don't even know which of their moons might be as interesting. It's been said that we went to look and Jupiter and Saturn and the real discovery was their moons.
@@owensmith7530 agree. We don’t even know enough to know what we want to know, if any of that made since. Haha
I could be wrong but I think voyager only did a fly by.
@@tjlastname5192 Uranus and Neptune have had precisely one fly by each, that was by Voyager 2.
They should have coughed up the money for 2 more Cassini probes. One for Uranus and one for Neptune.
@@thomaslohmann3808 I agree. as cool as some other stuff is, I think we would learn way more interesting stuff from that.
Thank you for these Details on this mission. Love it.
But, while it's intuitive how a spacecraft uses gravity to accelerate, it's counterintuitive to understand how we can use gravity to slow down spacecraft.
Can you please make a video on how the physics of this maneuver works?
This would be great.
Think of it like a gravity acceleration assist, but with time reversed.
Back then, the MONOLITH warned us
ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
- EUROPA -
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
''2010: The Year We Make Contact''
Well, hopefully there won't be any problems, because we're sending a probe there ;-) laughing
Greetings from Germany
Thanks for all the good Videos
That's okay, they got permission from Arthur C Clarke long ago...
I didn't realize that Juice was such a big boi
is that lighting at about 4:40 ?
Yes. Juno has observed lightning in Jupiter's polar regions.
Something to look forward to😊
I like how JUICE will still be doing gravity assists of Earth in 2029, what a really powerful and mighty rocket with high C3 Ariane 5 is, really great to see planetary exploration using classic 1970's techniques in 2023 thanks to mass fraction constraints, this is definitely the most efficient and sensible way to explore the outer planets....
Thank you to all the internet science nerds who are willing to process the images. From us not so serious science nerds who simply like to bask in the amazingness of the galaxy.
Hard to imagine colonizing the cosmos. It’s just so far to anywhere.
I can't believe he forgot to mention that Gandalf, Frodo, AND Sonic are going to ride on JUICE!
Very important step for far-earth football commentary!
Wow, quite a number of interesting comments from long-time space followers in this community who are now oldies wondering if they'll still see results of this mission coming out.
Just take good care of your health and we'll wish you the best.
Thank you Scott. Back on point. The motor(s) on Juice firing, again, again, on time on budget, 12 years in !? After passing through radiation, high magnetic fields, micro asteroids.
Rosetta managed over a decade in space just fine. Cassini and Huygens too.
Voyager II was built with 1970s technology, visited four gas giant planets, and it still operational 43 years after launch.
Engineers, we solve problems!
I do hope we get a picture of an eclipse caused by Jupiter while in orbit of Ganymede... Sometimes around 2035?
How much sooner could this mission get to its destination if it had a beefier launch vehicle? If one of the other reusable super-heavy vehicles brings the cost of massive launches down below the cost of an Ariane 5 launch in the next few years, we could probably leapfrog JUICE and get a second mission out there before it arrives...
Good ol Man Scottley.
Cameras on space probes are the best PR for NASA
NASA knows who is the customer LOL
When you get called a nerd by Scott Manley then you really are a Nerd!
Searching for life on Europa, you say?! *Barotrauma intensifies*
*honk*
When Scott is explaining the route JUICE is going to take to Ganymede, all I can hear is Matt Lowne: "So we will depart for Jool with the Eve - Kerbin - Kerbin gravity assist, and once we get to Jool, we will capture into its orbit using Tylo's massive gravity well."
It seems fitting that Europe is doing a mission to Europa!
I mean, in many European languages such as German or Greek, the two words are homonyms. So the space privé will feel right at home 😄
Arthur C Clarke’s “2061” spends the entire book in Jupiter/ icy moons space with landings on Europa…
Officially launching "A Juicer"! lol epic!
Good news, JUICE is on its way and so far everything is nominal.
First thing I thought of was "All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landing there."
JUICE!
Jews?
Maybe Jupiter is there for when we need fuel to evacuate the solar system.
Hey scott, How much do the tidal forces slow the orbit? How long until it de-orbits?
ESA is the best space agency on this planet just because it chose to be totally scientific and never military.
I think that had more to do with it requiring many member states to exist than anything. Still, the ESA is a great agency.
Hold on NASA and JAXA does military stuff?
@@aemrt5745 What about JAXA?
@@robertoroberto9798 I don't know enough about JAXA and the Japanese military to answer that.
@@aemrt5745 Thank you for the information, though.
Honestly quite proud that we as Europeans manage to do such a mission on our own. Really hope it will be successful. And I wish all nations would invest more into space exploration. Quite sad that something as stupid as a financial crisis has slowed down our progress
Hello from the Europa Clipper video
I might be dead by then, I'll nearly be 50 by then.
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@@AndrewHillis_2024 I keep hearing that. I heard that in grade school....doesn't seem to be panning out. I'm 40 at this point, and there might not be any breakthroughs in time to help us out. Then again, i certainly have no plans to die at the ripe old age of 50...That's less than ten years from now. If i make it to 90 in good health, I'll call that a win. I had a decent spawn point, put some points in a few skills, and have done alright. plenty of points in luck this time around.
Is there a musical sub track in this video? Thought I was hearing a distant train at first but realized it was like a deep chime in the video.
u talked about something i will be dead by
And I'll be at least 12-14 years older than i am now. I'm seeing this comment quite a bit. =/
Why are the outer wrappings on space probes wrinkly? I would assume, with the precision these craft are built, that even a very fine film could be applied more evenly?
Thermal expansion can't possibly so pronounced it needs that extra material, can it?
It's usually mylar insulation and in a place with no air there is no need to be neat.
The insulation is made of thin layers, if the layers touch then the insulation doesn't work as well. Turns out the lightest way to do this is to let it wrinkle.
@@scottmanley I am now imagining that Airbus and likely also Thales employ somebody specializing in proper wrinkling of space mylar sheets.
Can confirm, the hype here is real
Here I am thinking that the wait for images from the most recent Mars Rover or from the JWST was a long wait after their respective launches.
Europe exploring Europa😭😭😭
Everytime ESA launches Ariane 5 there's always some cool stuff on board ngl
Imagine what we could do using a super heavy as first stage for a custom payload or a repurposed starship as second stage. More onboard fuel, more delta V, more mass, size, more instruments, bigger antennas, solar panels..
If there was only one remaining critical endangered critter left on Ganymede, what are the odds of turning it into juice at the end of this mission?
That thing jumps off the platform once those side pieces light lol