I don't think anyone that watches the channel "Watch Wes Work" can be disappointed when we get to watch a guy, named Wes, work on saving his dad's shed. Good job, keep it up Wes! 😁
If the drawings were stamped by a PE for 30#/sf of snow load, than one can assume that that is the expected load for that region. The fact that it survived under 2x the expected load tells me that your dad did a pretty good job putting it together. It doesn't matter to me what you're working on - a Hyundai, an excavator, a barn, a logging robot or a dishwasher. For me, the draw of your channel is your ability to break things down into simple explanations and your ability to troubleshoot. And also the fun of learning along side you as you conquer some mystery problem. Keep it up!
If done by a PE, it would have been designed with at least a 2x safety factor, but the fact that it failed in multiple places and still survived is amazing. Kudos to the 24 ft 2 x 10s!
As a retired journey man carpenter who did this same type of repairs all over midtown Detroit on buildings as old as 1868. You fellas did a fine job. We did a lot of sistering and glueing and bolting.
As a former truss design technician ( not a Professional Engineer) I commend your truss repair. The bigger ( read longer) plywood gussets with bolts! on the bottom chord were and excellent up grade. Also very glad your dad retrofitted all the bottom chord splices (ie butt joints) on the trusses. A pleasure to meet some of your family in the vid.
You are obviously NOT a professional! The plywood gusset plates on the bottom chord should have been AT LEAST 6 feet long, on both sides and when you use plywood gussets, you have to nail them every 2 square inches on both sides.
@@realemonful no need to be negative. A structure like this built with used lumber cannot be “engineered” so as it was with the initial construction, rule of thumb prevails. Logic says if it failed once it can do it again in a different set of joints. Snow load may have caused this one but how will this handle the 100mph gust through the open ends of the structure? Agree on plywood reinforcement but there are more weak points and a few cables cant hurt! No reason to get worked up. No one has more common sense than Wes and I bet between him and his father there is 100 years experience.
it cant be an OSHA violation if it isnt a job site. OSHA has no say whatsoever in how a homeowner/private resident uses ladders etc. if I wanna stack 5 5 lb cat litter buckets as a makeshift ladder, OSHA cant go jack about it. I wanna use dining room table as ghetto lazy man's scaffold, Id send video just to taunt OSHA
@@harveylong5878 It's a diesel creek gag, wes will be well aware of it, sung to the tune of 'Pure Imagination' from charlie and the chocolate factory; "Come with me and you'll be In a world of pure imagination Take a look and you'll see Into your imagination"
@@Rein_CiarfellaThat’s a very common way to reinforce a masonry building, and was commonly used before World War I. After that, if they needed a reinforced building they built it from steel framing or reinforced concrete.
Taking care of family is always a priority. Loosing my FIL at 60 has really made me step back and re-focus on doing as much as I can with my dad before he isn't able any more. I hope you get to enjoy many more years of helping your dad out.
Good job well done. My dad was a real hard guy to please. Didn't stop us from helping him out. Lack of criticism was how he showed his appreciation. You on the other hand can sleep at night knowing you extended the lifespan of the shop. 👍
Always impressed by people who can actually DO SOMETHING. Enjoyed this video very much. Living in the city, it's just too easy to forget that there are self-reliant, industrious people still scattered around the planet. Thanks for sharing it...
That's some fancy production value. Crisp sounding voiceover, animated drawings. Miles above every other channel doing wobbly vlogs. Between that and the slightly unhinged DIY bits from other videos, I'm loving this stuff.
I've done this on old barns where half the roof was completely caved in and the walls were racked at a hard slant and half of the roof had blown off by heavy winds and flew out into the field. So we had to disassemble the huge chunks for roof in the field to reuse them.. The trusses had the factory gang nails, so they were quite a bit stronger.. We had to rebuild one rafter in your style--- with the plywood at the joints. 2 rafters were in the field, somehow one wasn't even broken-- so we just layed it down and used it as a pattern: and built the other one over it with the glued plywood joints. It looked awesome when we were done. The guy was super happy that I talked him out of bulldozing it. You can fix any building with a jack and ratchet straps, with minimal extra materials. :) .......... The main reason it failed is because the rafters were only screwed to the posts with long screws.. So I made him bolt the rafter through the posts with a 3/4 bolt and nut and big washers.. so It won't happen again. I live in Oklahoama, so we had some crazy tornado level wind storms-- and it blew one of the doors open and the wind direction was blowing right at the door and it just blew the whole building up like a balloon and popped half the roof off.. lol. The roof sections were still nearly fully in tact and about half the building in length-- and they were a good 100 yards away in the field. :).. but it wasn't even that busted up--- so it must have floated down slowly like an umbrella and just softly landed in the field; like I said, we reused nearly all the metal and even reused one of the rafters that was magically not busted at all. Pretty crazy to see.. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it myself.
According to the NWS, it takes only about a 3 PSI air pressure differential to blow apart wood-framed homes, and the usual for such things to happen in windstorms is for garage doors to be blown in.
Not gonna comment on how it should or shouldn’t be done. All I will say is glad it stayed up long enough to fix, and said fix is probably what I would have done.
Framing - now you’re talking about something I know about. Before you got to the new plates I was thinking 3 foot at least 5/8ths solid plywood through bolted with at least 1/2 inch on 8-inch centers in two rows. You nailed it! Knee braces - direct more load to the ground and really help brace the roof on the outside ends, depending on length and angle of attachment. A royal PITA in residential second floors or attics if you’re trying to maximize usable space but perfect for buildings like this. The only other improvement would be buttressing, but that’s rare outside medieval European cathedrals. 😉
Much respect for anyone that chooses to live in the great white North! I spent six long very cold years of my early adult life in Minnesota, now I'm in Florida and complain when it gets below 60°🤣🤣🤣
@@interpinto Definitely not complaining. Lack of snow and warm weather is pretty nice, but now I'm wondering how it's gonna come back to bite us. Either gonna get shit mobbed with snow in late feb all through march, or it's gonna storm all summer.
In New England we subscribe to the timeless law of weather…any nice weather, at any time, will be punished later will awful weather when you least expect it. It’s God’s way of teaching you to move South. 😊
As a framer who has repaired many a home, sistering some 2xs on those bottom chord splices would help me sleep better. Even so, you guys handled that pretty well. Party on, Garth.
Yeah, I don’t disagree with that at all, although the right plywood grade and thickness would probably do a similar job. I was thinking 5/8 or 3/4 (better) in 3-foot lengths. As for the glue - meh!
@@Rein_Ciarfella Polyurethane construction adhesive is unbelievably strong. It's going to add a TON of strength to those scab joints when it cures (aka in the spring when it warms up - haha)
Nice work saving the shed. Trusses are always interesting from an engineering standpoint. When I built the roof on my home addition a few years ago, I went with 125# snow load, even though local code only required 85. Two stories up, 30 year shingles, and North Idaho winters meant I never wanted a reason to be up there ever again. So far, so good.
This is what owning a shop, especially out in rural areas is all about. You do what you have to do to get it done, especially when family is involved! Good job Wes and God bless you and your family! 🙏🏼👍🏼
Nice to have the team approach to fix it up, and I agree that your Dad's good selection of truss materials prevented worse damage. Now that it's extra strong, we need to see a Cat Dozer on the roof, just 1 is enough.
I'm from Tennessee but spent 3 years in Buffalo. Watching the wind carry away snow while plowing brought back really bad memories... Thank you for all you do, Wes, you are a blessing to us!
Heh, I'm originally from Canada. I can tell just how cold and miserable it is just by the way the snow is blowing, and almost making a fog in the air. That only happens when it's really cold and dry, and the snow is super powdery! Brings back memories of blowing snow with the snow blower, and the wind blowing half of it right back in your face! UGH
Safety is important. But I also recognize that farmers just have to get stuff done. When the barn is about to fall down potentially ruining your livelihood, strict adherence to safety protocols is out the window, and you make it as safe as possible.
I agree. The only thing I might have done different is leave a couple of tractors in there with the buckets up in the air. That way if the roof collapsed on us at least there might be some equipment to keep us from getting totally crushed. But the working around the equipment can have its own disadvantages.
I love the appeals to authority you expect. Every time I hear "it's not up to code", I think of the pedestrian bridge in Florida, or any number of smaller jobs I've been on that have blown up after following the engineered plans and passing inspections. that is a well engineered building. Good documentation on the repair.
Good engineering usually works well as it always has a safety factor built in. However I've seen quite a few engineering failures in my career including a few where the failure point was obviously wrong to even an untrained person. The inherent problem with engineering today is that accolades and career advancement come when you design something cheaper and/or easier to build, often economizing on materials, and skirting published minimums leaving no room for anything to be done less than perfectly. They're in a race to the bottom instead of taking a higher aim to actually build better and allowing for the human factor in construction. Less isn't more, especially when it fails.
You're all very blessed to come from a competent family of DIY'ers. Not everyone is mechanically inclined, and even when they are, some families don't get along well enough to do projects together like this. My family is like yours. Next month me and my brothers have all scheduled time off work to help our parents gut and remodel their kitchen and family room. Edit: My dad had a 66 Coronet that was the same color. I had dreams as a young man to drop a blown hemi in it and ram-rod it around town like some kind of cool guy.
Wes, that is life every so often a curve appears out of nowhere but with 3 level headed gents armed with basic tools you know you can get the job done and improve it at the same time. Well done gents
Okay Wes just a few suggestions! Every place you have screwed and glued plywood brace needs to be replaced with a metal brace. This can be done a truss at a time to make it easier on the pocketbook. Also at the very least every other truss needs to be up graded to the next truss size. Again can be done a truss at a time. The ones I can see in the video are very under sized for the span you guys have! I'm pretty sure the ones I can see were make for the old "minimum standard" for snow loads. To say that minimum was optimistic is an understatement! Very glad no one was hurt! One thing building in Alaska taught me is you can't over build for snow!
Built a bunch of machine sheds in same fashion, thats a well built building. We did learn to lengthen the bands on bottom row over time but glue and 8 penny nails. Everyone still standing. Been over 35 years. Nice work men!
Relatively straight forward fix. I've had to do similar before. We patched the trusses first and sinched it all together with steel cable! Cable is still there!! That building should have blown down years ago!! lol I'm not going in there! HE HE, NOPE!!
Hi Wes, I wouldn't pay any attention to those armchair engineers. I've worked in and been in building exactly like your dad's. Excepting for the wood connection pieces, it's exactly like buildings like it. Your father is a great man and makes do with what he has. You and your brother are examples of his raising you guys.
My experience is that construction glue isn't worth a crap after a few years. Bolted connections much better than nails too. I'd have gone with dimensional lumber all the way along the bottom truss and overlapping the joints by as much as possible but doing the same with 3/4 Ply probably just as good. Probably good for another 30 years... Nice work!
My Dad built a 2 car shed in South Carolina. When a large snow storm was imminent, which was rare, he would add an upright stiff knee to the center ceiling joist to make it through. Great repair!
We do this quite a bit around my area, center jack posts are put into a lot of buidings late in the fall, and in the spring when the roof is clear of snow and ice we take them out and store them for the next winter. I do it on one of those tin garden sheds, and haven't had it go sway back yet. Lots of snow and ice here in Canada, it seems we are getting more ice these winters than I remember from my childhood. All said and done, winter and snow sucks!!
I'm in Australia and we only get snow in the alpine regions. In Feb 2000 when I was on holiday in the US I encountered driving in the snow and freezing cold for the first time. No thanks, you guys can keep it. Sure you say you get used to it but it just looks like it's a pain to deal with it every year. Driving in it, clearing driveways, the stuff piles up on the roof, pipes freeze, no thanks. Got stuck in a blizzard shortly after leaving Cedar City in Utah...scariest ride I've ever been on. Did a U-turn as best I could and drove back to Cedar City, I wasn't even sure I was still driving on the road. I could cope with cold winters but I don't think I could cope with all that snow and all the problems that come with it.
Coming from someone who has been in the building trade for over 25 years I am amazed that it withstood the amount of snow load that it did . You guys did the right thing by adding the carriage bolts instead of using nails again . One of those bolts is equivalent to a ton of nails . Good call on reinforcing all of the other joints as well . Hopefully if the situation presents itself again the building will laugh at the snow and tell it to move along ! Nice job getting it pulled back together, it went amazing well , I’ve been in similar situations and sometimes wood will bend one way and then not go back to its original spot . Getting it done quickly was a good move on your part for sure . Nice work all the way around !
I experienced the same thing on a building about 40 yrs ago. I repaired/improved it the exact same way you and your Dad did his. I kept thinking 'you must drill all the way through and add lag bolts'. And you did. I'm happy to know I might think a little like Wes. Good job.
It's amazing that you survived doing these repairs, Wes! What, without the hard-hat, the steel caped boots, the high vis vests, the certificates, the supervisors and the building consents!
@@robertklein1316 I'm not an engineer but that sounds right. Also, it really doesn't add a lot to the price of a good roof ,or at least 20 or so years ago.
unless you can keep metal roofing warm enough the entire length, the ice/snow will melt find a cold spot , refreeze. our metal roofed sheds at work usually have little to no snow 3/4 way down, the bottoms have ridges of ice/snow on them. new sheds supposed to come with radiant heating running entire length , keep the roof at 50 degrees minimum
@@harveylong5878 you are right, the eaves especially then there's the danger of the falling snow/ice AND the clean up in front of doors etc. Of course these problems exist even if the roof held up.
I live in a heavy snow area. Over time loads are cumulative and you see roofs fall in. Your dad's rafters held for the years they did. I've had to do the exact fixes here on properly designed trusses. So I compliment your guys thinking and doing.
Better than some farm construction I have seen. I was surprised to see the trusses so far apart, but that’s what having it engineered will do. Glad it stayed up. Thanks for the videos. Always nice to see your Dad and brother in a video.
Wes It wasn't the complexity of the job that was meaningful, but rather that you were there to help the old man when he needed it. You a good dude bro.
The adhesive also likely failed due to the cold and at that point the nails would have been forced out. I've never seen adhesive used on truss nail plates. For this sort of build you really don't want to make the joints inflexible as the design is to make each attachment a point load and a pivot so all loads are only in tension or compression.
I really wish you were closer; I would have loved to come and lend a hand and some rigging equipment. Possibly even a few cold snacks and some useless advice. You are a great son; I bet your Dad is very proud of you and your family, Wes. Keep being a great guy and posting these quality videos. Family is the best when things go south, they always show up.
That PL premium is strong stuff. I'm a carpenter and I'll tell you that I've had to pull stuff apart with premium as the adhesive. The wood comes out in splinters .
In 96 we got a lot of snow. There was 3 feet of wet snow on the 26x70 shop roof. Many barn and shop roofs collapsed because of it. I got really lucky, and scrambled to get 3 jack posts set up in the shop to support the load. Seems like it figured out weight wise to be like VW beetles parked side by side and bumper to bumper all across the roof. We tightened the jack screws pretty darn tight, after the snow melted off, the posts were loose. The jack posts remain to this day.
Hey Wes - fantastic to see you working with and helping out your dad - you are so lucky to still have him with you - nothing takes the place of family !!!!!
What I expect to see when I go to Watch Wes Work is to see Wes working. To get to see you working with your dad is an extra treat! Is that your brother on the ladder 🪜?
Wes, your graphics made it easy to understand why the snow and rain caused a big problem on the big shed truss system. It looked like you guys did a great job strengthening the roof system that will last for years. Blessings to you.
It is unlikely that an engineer designed the plans. They likely used a generic clear span truss drawing for a similar span. That is the most common way it's done.
@@truracer20 Some engineer had to design them somewhere, or did these get picked right off the rafter tree assembled? Who knew saying "Thank an engineer for your building remaining standing," would be controversial?
@@TKing2724it’s not controversial but this is how engineers think, we can’t stand even small errors sometimes and appear to splitting hairs (which it is sometimes). I always ask people, would you rather your engineer not be particular?
@@SteelheadTed "It's not controversial" So (edit) they (sorry I didn't see you were a different person) just wanted to argue? Okay then, what error did I make? I never implied Wes's dad hired said engineer.
@@TKing2724 you can buy pre-engineered trusses rated for a certain span and load. So “thank the engineer who designed the plans” is incorrect because they didn’t design the plans, only the trusses. It’s semantics but sometimes our engineering brains just can’t help it.
I had a 1966 Plymouth. It had a push button transmission. On the dash. To put it in Park, you pushed "N" and moved a lever sideways. I had almost forgotten about that car.
If you close all the doors and can get about 10 larger kerosene heaters and run them full blast, heat will rises and warm up the underside of the roof it should melt the snow and the melted snow creates a slippery surface the snow/ice should slide off the roof.
Freaking brilliant, dude! All the neighbors in the area would have one or two, so get a gang together with transportation and food and beer and do one after the other until they’re all safe again. What do you think?
Wes, it's weird to hear about your weather being unseasonably cold and snowy. We've had the exact opposite here in Central Minnesota. I've only shoveled my driveway once this entire year and only because I wanted to, not because I had to..... there was only about a 1/2" of snow on the driveway. lol. It's also been unseasonably warm. This should be our coldest time of the year and with the exception of a week and a half of sub zero temps a few weeks ago, we've been very warm here most of the winter. It's been in the mid 50's last week... we should be below zero right now. Last year was the snowiest season on record, and this year will probably go down as the LEAST snowiest. Weird how it can go from one extreme to the next over the course of only one year. Glad to see you got your dads building fixed up. Good job with that!
Pole buildings are generally considered to be 25 year structures, and this is why - they're not designed to hold a once in 25 years (or longer) snow load. Good work saving it and the reinforcements look good, like you say, stronger than before.
I would say it's more like 40 years. At that point the poles are usually rotted and the roof is leaking badly. There are crews here that fix them though. They jack them up and replace the poles.
I can’t help but be an engineer here but building type doesn’t have anything to do with the reoccurrence interval of extreme loading events. For buildings designed to code, all buildings are design to the same reoccurrence interval for all events (snow, wind, earthquake, etc.).
Reminds me of my life back on the Farm in Minnesota. 2 weeks ago I shoveled off my shop roof up here in Fairbanks we had been-30 to -50 for 2weeks warmer now I guessing we will get dumped on soon. Thank you for good video and Forensic engineering on the building it stayed up. Turned into a family project.
Coming from farming stock on both sides of the family I have seen many sketchy things. But my engineering brain was twitching 😂 watching you guy’s.what most people don’t understand is, Wood is pound for pound strong than steel. Plus it is very resilient. That structure is testament to that. Thanks for posting, Wes.
Hi Wes. A family working together and Midwestern ingenuity. A combination that can't be beaten. Thanks for sharing. The graphics will get easier with use. They're a nice visual tool, almost as good as Wescad drawings!
Excellent explanation and animation explaining the roof rafter/truss failure. I enjoyed the background music during the snow and ice portion. ☃️ Here in NJ the entire unit would be called a truss, pre-made and trucked to the site. Rafter just the support immediately under the roof. Again, local nomenclature applies. One thing to remember is not to hang things from the bottom chord. The truss is usually not designed for a hanging load. You may want to check into enclosing your skid steer. 🥶 Liked the different content also.👍
I spent way too much time making the janky graphics. Way too much! Let me know what you think...
I enjoyed them. Looked good.
I appreciate your effort greatly
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Pretty good explanation what happened to the roof construction.
nice drawing, it made the video much more easy to understand
I don't think anyone that watches the channel "Watch Wes Work" can be disappointed when we get to watch a guy, named Wes, work on saving his dad's shed. Good job, keep it up Wes!
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Amen !!
Well Said!
Hell yeah
If the drawings were stamped by a PE for 30#/sf of snow load, than one can assume that that is the expected load for that region. The fact that it survived under 2x the expected load tells me that your dad did a pretty good job putting it together. It doesn't matter to me what you're working on - a Hyundai, an excavator, a barn, a logging robot or a dishwasher. For me, the draw of your channel is your ability to break things down into simple explanations and your ability to troubleshoot. And also the fun of learning along side you as you conquer some mystery problem. Keep it up!
Really well said! 👍
Hear Hear!!
crane support didn't hurt
Agree and remarks also !!
If done by a PE, it would have been designed with at least a 2x safety factor, but the fact that it failed in multiple places and still survived is amazing. Kudos to the 24 ft 2 x 10s!
As a retired journey man carpenter who did this same type of repairs all over midtown Detroit on buildings as old as 1868. You fellas did a fine job. We did a lot of sistering and glueing and bolting.
Glad she held together long enough to get fixed and no one got hurt repairing it.
Yep.. It definitely could have been a lot worse. They caught it just in time.
Awesome video Wes, as always understanding physics saves the day. Cool heads and ability wins again. Kindest regards from Bonnie Scotland. Joe.
Or during use... this could've been bad. Thank f it didn't collapse with someone inside.
No insurance?
As a former truss design technician ( not a Professional Engineer) I commend your truss repair. The bigger ( read longer) plywood gussets with bolts! on the bottom chord were and excellent up grade. Also very glad your dad retrofitted all the bottom chord splices (ie butt joints) on the trusses. A pleasure to meet some of your family in the vid.
full length cables would be my suggestion with so many joints and open ends.
You are obviously NOT a professional! The plywood gusset plates on the bottom chord should have been AT LEAST 6 feet long, on both sides and when you use plywood gussets, you have to nail them every 2 square inches on both sides.
@@realemonful no need to be negative. A structure like this built with used lumber cannot be “engineered” so as it was with the initial construction, rule of thumb prevails. Logic says if it failed once it can do it again in a different set of joints. Snow load may have caused this one but how will this handle the 100mph gust through the open ends of the structure? Agree on plywood reinforcement but there are more weak points and a few cables cant hurt! No reason to get worked up. No one has more common sense than Wes and I bet between him and his father there is 100 years experience.
Tough conditions but an opportunity to help out your Dad……..now that is priceless.
"come with me and you'll see, a world of osha violations!"
Think I would be tempted to fit a few permanent cables just to tie those walls in tension.
I thought about that too, as did some others. I’ve seen solid rod like this in Europe, with fasteners on the outside of the building.
I was thinking the same. I realize the joints are now better than ever, but, I'd feel better with some cables too.
it cant be an OSHA violation if it isnt a job site. OSHA has no say whatsoever in how a homeowner/private resident uses ladders etc. if I wanna stack 5 5 lb cat litter buckets as a makeshift ladder, OSHA cant go jack about it. I wanna use dining room table as ghetto lazy man's scaffold, Id send video just to taunt OSHA
@@harveylong5878 It's a diesel creek gag, wes will be well aware of it, sung to the tune of 'Pure Imagination' from charlie and the chocolate factory;
"Come with me and you'll be
In a world of pure imagination
Take a look and you'll see
Into your imagination"
@@Rein_CiarfellaThat’s a very common way to reinforce a masonry building, and was commonly used before World War I. After that, if they needed a reinforced building they built it from steel framing or reinforced concrete.
Taking care of family is always a priority. Loosing my FIL at 60 has really made me step back and re-focus on doing as much as I can with my dad before he isn't able any more. I hope you get to enjoy many more years of helping your dad out.
Good job well done. My dad was a real hard guy to please. Didn't stop us from helping him out. Lack of criticism was how he showed his appreciation. You on the other hand can sleep at night knowing you extended the lifespan of the shop. 👍
Always impressed by people who can actually DO SOMETHING. Enjoyed this video very much. Living in the city, it's just too easy to forget that there are self-reliant, industrious people still scattered around the planet. Thanks for sharing it...
That's some fancy production value. Crisp sounding voiceover, animated drawings. Miles above every other channel doing wobbly vlogs.
Between that and the slightly unhinged DIY bits from other videos, I'm loving this stuff.
I've done this on old barns where half the roof was completely caved in and the walls were racked at a hard slant and half of the roof had blown off by heavy winds and flew out into the field. So we had to disassemble the huge chunks for roof in the field to reuse them.. The trusses had the factory gang nails, so they were quite a bit stronger.. We had to rebuild one rafter in your style--- with the plywood at the joints. 2 rafters were in the field, somehow one wasn't even broken-- so we just layed it down and used it as a pattern: and built the other one over it with the glued plywood joints. It looked awesome when we were done. The guy was super happy that I talked him out of bulldozing it. You can fix any building with a jack and ratchet straps, with minimal extra materials. :) .......... The main reason it failed is because the rafters were only screwed to the posts with long screws.. So I made him bolt the rafter through the posts with a 3/4 bolt and nut and big washers.. so It won't happen again.
I live in Oklahoama, so we had some crazy tornado level wind storms-- and it blew one of the doors open and the wind direction was blowing right at the door and it just blew the whole building up like a balloon and popped half the roof off.. lol. The roof sections were still nearly fully in tact and about half the building in length-- and they were a good 100 yards away in the field. :).. but it wasn't even that busted up--- so it must have floated down slowly like an umbrella and just softly landed in the field; like I said, we reused nearly all the metal and even reused one of the rafters that was magically not busted at all. Pretty crazy to see.. I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it myself.
According to the NWS, it takes only about a 3 PSI air pressure differential to blow apart wood-framed homes, and the usual for such things to happen in windstorms is for garage doors to be blown in.
Family.......the bonds that matter. It warms my heart to see you helping your Dad when he needs it.
I was going to say.. You should definitely beef up all the connections and not just the broken ones..
But your dad was already on it. Good Man
Always a good day when a barn gets saved
As always, I appreciate your content and how you present it.
Great to see a family come together to make things right. Once again, I spied another sad, neglected motorcycle sitting in the corner.
Family traditions.
A pair
SV 650 and I think a VFR 750.
@@rdavis43oh a 4 stroke Yamaha oh well
l was hoping it was a
2 stroke 😢😢😢😢
Perfect repair. That building's got a long life left in it.
My compliments to your mother and father for raising terrific sons!
Nice job Wes, glad your father’s building didn’t collapse and you are able to make it secure once again.
Not gonna comment on how it should or shouldn’t be done. All I will say is glad it stayed up long enough to fix, and said fix is probably what I would have done.
Framing - now you’re talking about something I know about. Before you got to the new plates I was thinking 3 foot at least 5/8ths solid plywood through bolted with at least 1/2 inch on 8-inch centers in two rows. You nailed it!
Knee braces - direct more load to the ground and really help brace the roof on the outside ends, depending on length and angle of attachment. A royal PITA in residential second floors or attics if you’re trying to maximize usable space but perfect for buildings like this.
The only other improvement would be buttressing, but that’s rare outside medieval European cathedrals. 😉
Great timing to build that fancy bucket for the skid steer 🙂
Much respect for anyone that chooses to live in the great white North! I spent six long very cold years of my early adult life in Minnesota, now I'm in Florida and complain when it gets below 60°🤣🤣🤣
I heard it was in the 20s there.
Any snow or ice down there and you take your life in your hands to drive.
And most of our MN winter has been 30s and 40s. Oddest winter ever.
@@interpinto Definitely not complaining. Lack of snow and warm weather is pretty nice, but now I'm wondering how it's gonna come back to bite us. Either gonna get shit mobbed with snow in late feb all through march, or it's gonna storm all summer.
In New England we subscribe to the timeless law of weather…any nice weather, at any time, will be punished later will awful weather when you least expect it. It’s God’s way of teaching you to move South. 😊
As a framer who has repaired many a home, sistering some 2xs on those bottom chord splices would help me sleep better. Even so, you guys handled that pretty well. Party on, Garth.
Yeah, I don’t disagree with that at all, although the right plywood grade and thickness would probably do a similar job. I was thinking 5/8 or 3/4 (better) in 3-foot lengths. As for the glue - meh!
After the repair, I think I would have ran some 1/4" cable on turn buckels across the bottom of the trusses. Good insurance.
@@Rein_Ciarfella Polyurethane construction adhesive is unbelievably strong. It's going to add a TON of strength to those scab joints when it cures (aka in the spring when it warms up - haha)
Hard to beat real through bolts vs screws... Nice repairs and no one got hurt... Thumbs Up!
Dad Time is Always Special! Great Video Thanks Wes!
Roof collapse is very common in the snow belt glad you got get your dad's roof fixed up from collapsing
Family is always the number one priority, so a video about helping your dad out is great to see.
Nice work saving the shed. Trusses are always interesting from an engineering standpoint. When I built the roof on my home addition a few years ago, I went with 125# snow load, even though local code only required 85. Two stories up, 30 year shingles, and North Idaho winters meant I never wanted a reason to be up there ever again. So far, so good.
This is what owning a shop, especially out in rural areas is all about. You do what you have to do to get it done, especially when family is involved! Good job Wes and God bless you and your family! 🙏🏼👍🏼
Good job...from a retired carpenter. I was very glad to see when you started putting the bolts in!
Nice to have the team approach to fix it up, and I agree that your Dad's good selection of truss materials prevented worse damage. Now that it's extra strong, we need to see a Cat Dozer on the roof, just 1 is enough.
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Might be a little different kind of video, but i found it interesting. Especially the breakdown of the trusses. Thanks
I'm from Tennessee but spent 3 years in Buffalo. Watching the wind carry away snow while plowing brought back really bad memories... Thank you for all you do, Wes, you are a blessing to us!
Heh, I'm originally from Canada. I can tell just how cold and miserable it is just by the way the snow is blowing, and almost making a fog in the air. That only happens when it's really cold and dry, and the snow is super powdery! Brings back memories of blowing snow with the snow blower, and the wind blowing half of it right back in your face! UGH
Safety is important. But I also recognize that farmers just have to get stuff done. When the barn is about to fall down potentially ruining your livelihood, strict adherence to safety protocols is out the window, and you make it as safe as possible.
I agree. The only thing I might have done different is leave a couple of tractors in there with the buckets up in the air. That way if the roof collapsed on us at least there might be some equipment to keep us from getting totally crushed. But the working around the equipment can have its own disadvantages.
Keyboard Engineers be damned ... it survived double its rated load. I'd call it a win!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
I love the appeals to authority you expect. Every time I hear "it's not up to code", I think of the pedestrian bridge in Florida, or any number of smaller jobs I've been on that have blown up after following the engineered plans and passing inspections. that is a well engineered building. Good documentation on the repair.
Good engineering usually works well as it always has a safety factor built in. However I've seen quite a few engineering failures in my career including a few where the failure point was obviously wrong to even an untrained person. The inherent problem with engineering today is that accolades and career advancement come when you design something cheaper and/or easier to build, often economizing on materials, and skirting published minimums leaving no room for anything to be done less than perfectly. They're in a race to the bottom instead of taking a higher aim to actually build better and allowing for the human factor in construction. Less isn't more, especially when it fails.
You're all very blessed to come from a competent family of DIY'ers. Not everyone is mechanically inclined, and even when they are, some families don't get along well enough to do projects together like this. My family is like yours. Next month me and my brothers have all scheduled time off work to help our parents gut and remodel their kitchen and family room.
Edit: My dad had a 66 Coronet that was the same color. I had dreams as a young man to drop a blown hemi in it and ram-rod it around town like some kind of cool guy.
Wes, that is life every so often a curve appears out of nowhere but with 3 level headed gents armed with basic tools you know you can get the job done and improve it at the same time. Well done gents
Okay Wes just a few suggestions! Every place you have screwed and glued plywood brace needs to be replaced with a metal brace. This can be done a truss at a time to make it easier on the pocketbook. Also at the very least every other truss needs to be up graded to the next truss size. Again can be done a truss at a time. The ones I can see in the video are very under sized for the span you guys have! I'm pretty sure the ones I can see were make for the old "minimum standard" for snow loads. To say that minimum was optimistic is an understatement! Very glad no one was hurt! One thing building in Alaska taught me is you can't over build for snow!
Built a bunch of machine sheds in same fashion, thats a well built building. We did learn to lengthen the bands on bottom row over time but glue and 8 penny nails. Everyone still standing. Been over 35 years. Nice work men!
Lucky your dad has good people to help him out. You included. Glad to see the skid steer earning it’s keep. 😊
Relatively straight forward fix. I've had to do similar before. We patched the trusses first and sinched it all together with steel cable! Cable is still there!! That building should have blown down years ago!! lol I'm not going in there! HE HE, NOPE!!
Hi Wes, I wouldn't pay any attention to those armchair engineers. I've worked in and been in building exactly like your dad's. Excepting for the wood connection pieces, it's exactly like buildings like it. Your father is a great man and makes do with what he has. You and your brother are examples of his raising you guys.
My experience is that construction glue isn't worth a crap after a few years. Bolted connections much better than nails too. I'd have gone with dimensional lumber all the way along the bottom truss and overlapping the joints by as much as possible but doing the same with 3/4 Ply probably just as good. Probably good for another 30 years... Nice work!
My Dad built a 2 car shed in South Carolina. When a large snow storm was imminent, which was rare, he would add an upright stiff knee to the center ceiling joist to make it through. Great repair!
We do this quite a bit around my area, center jack posts are put into a lot of buidings late in the fall, and in the spring when the roof is clear of snow and ice we take them out and store them for the next winter. I do it on one of those tin garden sheds, and haven't had it go sway back yet. Lots of snow and ice here in Canada, it seems we are getting more ice these winters than I remember from my childhood. All said and done, winter and snow sucks!!
I'm in Australia and we only get snow in the alpine regions. In Feb 2000 when I was on holiday in the US I encountered driving in the snow and freezing cold for the first time. No thanks, you guys can keep it.
Sure you say you get used to it but it just looks like it's a pain to deal with it every year. Driving in it, clearing driveways, the stuff piles up on the roof, pipes freeze, no thanks.
Got stuck in a blizzard shortly after leaving Cedar City in Utah...scariest ride I've ever been on.
Did a U-turn as best I could and drove back to Cedar City, I wasn't even sure I was still driving on the road. I could cope with cold winters but I don't think I could cope with all that snow and all the problems that come with it.
I’ve lived in the US Northeast most of my life (76) and the older you get the less romantic you feel about Winter. 😉🥶
Smart men doing what is needed to get the job done right.
What a joy for your father to work with his two grown sons ! Nice family ! 👍
Coming from someone who has been in the building trade for over 25 years I am amazed that it withstood the amount of snow load that it did . You guys did the right thing by adding the carriage bolts instead of using nails again . One of those bolts is equivalent to a ton of nails . Good call on reinforcing all of the other joints as well . Hopefully if the situation presents itself again the building will laugh at the snow and tell it to move along ! Nice job getting it pulled back together, it went amazing well , I’ve been in similar situations and sometimes wood will bend one way and then not go back to its original spot . Getting it done quickly was a good move on your part for sure . Nice work all the way around !
I experienced the same thing on a building about 40 yrs ago. I repaired/improved it the exact same way you and your Dad did his. I kept thinking 'you must drill all the way through and add lag bolts'. And you did. I'm happy to know I might think a little like Wes. Good job.
It's amazing that you survived doing these repairs, Wes! What, without the hard-hat, the steel caped boots, the high vis vests, the certificates, the supervisors and the building consents!
Rafter spacing seems a bit wide.
Also, button up the building and run enough torpedo heater to melt the ice
" A BIT Wide", snow load, at the minimum 4' centers, 8' is a recipe for disaster
@@robertklein1316 I'm not an engineer but that sounds right. Also, it really doesn't add a lot to the price of a good roof ,or at least 20 or so years ago.
unless you can keep metal roofing warm enough the entire length, the ice/snow will melt find a cold spot , refreeze. our metal roofed sheds at work usually have little to no snow 3/4 way down, the bottoms have ridges of ice/snow on them. new sheds supposed to come with radiant heating running entire length , keep the roof at 50 degrees minimum
@@harveylong5878 you are right, the eaves especially then there's the danger of the falling snow/ice AND the clean up in front of doors etc. Of course these problems exist even if the roof held up.
I live in a heavy snow area. Over time loads are cumulative and you see roofs fall in. Your dad's rafters held for the years they did. I've had to do the exact fixes here on properly designed trusses. So I compliment your guys thinking and doing.
Better than some farm construction I have seen. I was surprised to see the trusses so far apart, but that’s what having it engineered will do. Glad it stayed up. Thanks for the videos. Always nice to see your Dad and brother in a video.
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It wasn't the complexity of the job that was meaningful, but rather that you were there to help the old man when he needed it. You a good dude bro.
As a professional carpenter of 15 yrs, I agree solid fix. And the way it was… man that’s a super solid way of “I’ll get to it later”
The adhesive also likely failed due to the cold and at that point the nails would have been forced out. I've never seen adhesive used on truss nail plates. For this sort of build you really don't want to make the joints inflexible as the design is to make each attachment a point load and a pivot so all loads are only in tension or compression.
I really wish you were closer; I would have loved to come and lend a hand and some rigging equipment. Possibly even a few cold snacks and some useless advice. You are a great son; I bet your Dad is very proud of you and your family, Wes. Keep being a great guy and posting these quality videos. Family is the best when things go south, they always show up.
That PL premium is strong stuff. I'm a carpenter and I'll tell you that I've had to pull stuff apart with premium as the adhesive. The wood comes out in splinters .
As a carpenter, I like your fix and explanation. Extending the gussets was my hope in the beginning of the video
This is how American works, family helping family!!! May you all be blessed!!
Hi Chris here from UK. Its great to see family pull together to keep the show on the road. Keep them coming.
A truly admirable effort, young man. Your videos are ideally crafted, very clear, not flashy. No trivial fluff.
Dad's got shed trouble and the family pull together to help him out. Great job guys
Hello from the Philippines, where it is always warm. What's that white stuff all over the ground? Glad to see everyone is safe there.
you mean dandruff?
Yeah, dandruff !! 😅@@zarb88
I guess you could sister another set of trusses next to the failing ones. Like a double truss system.
In 96 we got a lot of snow. There was 3 feet of wet snow on the 26x70 shop roof. Many barn and shop roofs collapsed because of it. I got really lucky, and scrambled to get 3 jack posts set up in the shop to support the load. Seems like it figured out weight wise to be like VW beetles parked side by side and bumper to bumper all across the roof. We tightened the jack screws pretty darn tight, after the snow melted off, the posts were loose. The jack posts remain to this day.
Hey Wes - fantastic to see you working with and helping out your dad - you are so lucky to still have him with you - nothing takes the place of family !!!!!
What I expect to see when I go to Watch Wes Work is to see Wes working. To get to see you working with your dad is an extra treat!
Is that your brother on the ladder 🪜?
Same question here!
Glad everyone is safe. I appreciate your videos and the knowledge that it contains.
It's amazing what snow and ice can do. Nice job recovering what looks to be a nice building.
Great work Wes. Interesting as always. You gotta get that Plymouth onto a video! 27 deg C here today, couldn’t handle that snow. 🇦🇺🍺🍺
Wes, your graphics made it easy to understand why the snow and rain caused a big problem on the big shed truss system. It looked like you guys did a great job strengthening the roof system that will last for years. Blessings to you.
Definitely thank the engineer who designed the plans.
It is unlikely that an engineer designed the plans. They likely used a generic clear span truss drawing for a similar span. That is the most common way it's done.
@@truracer20 Some engineer had to design them somewhere, or did these get picked right off the rafter tree assembled? Who knew saying "Thank an engineer for your building remaining standing," would be controversial?
@@TKing2724it’s not controversial but this is how engineers think, we can’t stand even small errors sometimes and appear to splitting hairs (which it is sometimes). I always ask people, would you rather your engineer not be particular?
@@SteelheadTed "It's not controversial" So (edit) they (sorry I didn't see you were a different person) just wanted to argue? Okay then, what error did I make? I never implied Wes's dad hired said engineer.
@@TKing2724 you can buy pre-engineered trusses rated for a certain span and load. So “thank the engineer who designed the plans” is incorrect because they didn’t design the plans, only the trusses. It’s semantics but sometimes our engineering brains just can’t help it.
Ominous foreshadowing slow zooming in on a puddle of what I presume is hydraulic fluid there Wes. Got me on the edge of my seat.
At first I thought so, but given the theme of this video was snow, I’m thinking the puddle was meltage.
i thought it was a hint of the floor not being level "sinking again"
Last time I did repair like that on very old barn, had to visit emergency room. Barn came out well and so did I.
I understand snow load and pounds per square foot but when you demonstrated the two dozers on a tin shed roof
I was blown away!!!!!
Here in Ohio Wes and we have barely gotten any snow this year, you can keep that snow lol
Should leav... *ahem* forget to take those chains and chain binders off, so when it inevitably happens again something else breaks instead...
I had a 1966 Plymouth. It had a push button transmission. On the dash. To put it in Park, you pushed "N" and moved a lever sideways. I had almost forgotten about that car.
In my opinion your dad did good job with what he had when he build that building and all of you did great repairing it and making it stronger.
New series from Wes...Will it Stand?
If you close all the doors and can get about 10 larger kerosene heaters and run them full blast, heat will rises and warm up the underside of the roof it should melt the snow and the melted snow creates a slippery surface the snow/ice should slide off the roof.
Freaking brilliant, dude! All the neighbors in the area would have one or two, so get a gang together with transportation and food and beer and do one after the other until they’re all safe again. What do you think?
@@Rein_Ciarfella I think that would be awesome, just like a tailgate party.
Yup, that looks like a real good design on the shed and a great repair. Anyone who says otherwise has never built a pole barn
Wes, it's weird to hear about your weather being unseasonably cold and snowy. We've had the exact opposite here in Central Minnesota. I've only shoveled my driveway once this entire year and only because I wanted to, not because I had to..... there was only about a 1/2" of snow on the driveway. lol. It's also been unseasonably warm. This should be our coldest time of the year and with the exception of a week and a half of sub zero temps a few weeks ago, we've been very warm here most of the winter. It's been in the mid 50's last week... we should be below zero right now. Last year was the snowiest season on record, and this year will probably go down as the LEAST snowiest. Weird how it can go from one extreme to the next over the course of only one year. Glad to see you got your dads building fixed up. Good job with that!
Interesting graphics Wes.
I hope so. I spent way too much time making them. Way too much...
I liked the background music@@WatchWesWork
@@WatchWesWork I was thinking you put a lot of work into them .
I agree! Every graphic you’ve done in the last year or so has been impressive. This one really helped to demonstrate the concepts.
Pole buildings are generally considered to be 25 year structures, and this is why - they're not designed to hold a once in 25 years (or longer) snow load. Good work saving it and the reinforcements look good, like you say, stronger than before.
I would say it's more like 40 years. At that point the poles are usually rotted and the roof is leaking badly. There are crews here that fix them though. They jack them up and replace the poles.
I can’t help but be an engineer here but building type doesn’t have anything to do with the reoccurrence interval of extreme loading events. For buildings designed to code, all buildings are design to the same reoccurrence interval for all events (snow, wind, earthquake, etc.).
Reminds me of my life back on the Farm in Minnesota.
2 weeks ago I shoveled off my shop roof up here in Fairbanks we had been-30 to -50 for 2weeks warmer now I guessing we will get dumped on soon.
Thank you for good video and
Forensic engineering on the building it stayed up.
Turned into a family project.
I think it looks great. It’s interesting to me how y’all build with wood. Around here all shops and barns are welded steel. Thanks for sharing.
Love "outside the shop" stuff Wes. Will watch whatever you put up. Love the channel and your content!
Coming from farming stock on both sides of the family I have seen many sketchy things.
But my engineering brain was twitching 😂 watching you guy’s.what most people don’t understand is, Wood is pound for pound strong than steel.
Plus it is very resilient. That structure is testament to that. Thanks for posting, Wes.
Good job. I read pictures better than I read words. Your graphics were appreciated. Helping your dad is commendable. 👌🏾
When you're a fiscal conservative with lots of mechanical aptitude , it's good to have sons who are helpful ! Nicely done Wes !
Hi Wes. A family working together and Midwestern ingenuity. A combination that can't be beaten. Thanks for sharing. The graphics will get easier with use. They're a nice visual tool, almost as good as Wescad drawings!
I think you Dad did a great job on construction of that shop building. The carriage bolts are the way to go for added structural strength.
Glad it worked out. Good to see your dad working with his family on the homestead.
Excellent explanation and animation explaining the roof rafter/truss failure. I enjoyed the background music during the snow and ice portion. ☃️ Here in NJ the entire unit would be called a truss, pre-made and trucked to the site. Rafter just the support immediately under the roof. Again, local nomenclature applies. One thing to remember is not to hang things from the bottom chord. The truss is usually not designed for a hanging load.
You may want to check into enclosing your skid steer. 🥶 Liked the different content also.👍
I wish it had heat.