my brother married a Korean lady. there is an inherent stress in living next to North Korea that we dont experience as Canadians living next to the USA.
I remember the day of the incident. My late dad was in the US Air Force and the family was stationed in Japan. That day the commanding general ordered all base Air Force personnel wearing Class B uniforms to return to their quarters and change into their OD green fatigues and boots and return. Everyone waited to see if North Korea and Red China were going to start a new war in Korea.
That must have been intense! I was on a base when 9/11 happened. That was pretty crazy too, yet during a period of relative peace, certainly less threatening when compared to the DPRK.
The Blue House Raid, that was Unit 124's infiltration and attempt to assassinate South Korean president Park Chung Hee caused South Korea to retaliate in kind by forming their own black ops unit, better known as Unit 684. This unit was made up of 31 prisoners on death row. It was basically South Korea's very own Suicide Squad, and their mission was the assassination of North Korean leader Kim Il Sun. This unit underwent three years of harsh training on the island of Silmido. However in 1971, the operation to assassinate Kim Il Sun was cancelled as relations improved between North and South Korea. This would cause the members of Unit 684 to mutiny, which resulted in them engaging in a firefight in Seoul against South Korean soldiers and police officers, which ended with all but four of the original thirty one members killed. The remaining four survivors were then tried under a military tribunal and sentenced to death. This event would later be adapted into a film known as Silmido, that was released in 2003.
It's insane how many times the Korean War has almost reignited. As bad as the USS Pueblo incident was though, the "Tree War" of 1976 may have been equally close or worse.
I always heard it called "The Axe Murder Incident". Either way, it was definitely the closest both sides came to a wide open war. I recall hearing about another incident in 1984 involving a Soviet defector that came pretty close to war also, but I don't know much about it.
I have an uncle who was assigned to the Army intelligence division in Memphis who had to start evaluation of the captured asset of the USS Pueblo and figure out how to begin negotiations for the return of the crew. Thank you for this video. Not a lot of people are even aware of her story, and there's probably not many of the crew themselves left alive, it is very easy to forget just how long ago the Korean War was. These men must have gone through one very arduous captivity, if there were a cruise book for the Pueblo that led to a "where are they now?" video it would garner a million views (or should, by all rights.) Awesome video!
It's crazy to think how many times North and South Korea (And their allies) almost went to war. The 1966-1969 Korean DMZ conflict is really a forgotten yet fascinating conflict to learn about as most of the famous incidents like the Pueblo, the Blue House Raid, and the EC-121 shootdown occurred during that time. I'd love to see more videos covering the conflict in the future as it's definitely the "Forgotten War".
Like him or not, President Park stabilized the Republic of Korea and paved the path of a strong country with strong industrial power, economic power, soft power and eventual democracy. one must realize that the path to democracy and prosperity of any war ravaged country is never easy and even more so with a dangerous enemy just next doors.
He raised a really good president too. She never stole or lied at all. And if she did, it wasn’t that bad compared to other politicians. And if it was, I’m a patriot so I won’t let it bother me.
The piece of equipment the Soviets were after on the Pueblo was the KW-37 encryption device which was both a receiver & transmitter. The bulk of the US Navy's message traffic was transmitted over this machine. Before the pueblo incident the Soviets had attempted to buy one off of Walker but he told them it was impossible, Walker even sold them the technical manuals to the machine for a couple of thousand $$'s. The Soviets problem was they were behind the US by about 10 years in electronics, & couldn't build one. Once they had the machine, they were able to go back years & decode thousands of messages to which Walker had provided them the codes. Then in the early 70's Walker was transferred to the USS Niagara & served as the ships crypto custodian officer. This meant he had access to every code & messages in the 7th fleet & details of naval & air operations in Vietnam.
I know a fellow who frequents a local coffee shop who had a Korea War vet sticker on his antique car. I asked him about it, and said he was one of the last US soldiers recognized as a Korean War vet due to violence in the DMZ during the 1960s! Apparently it was one of (the last?) events where a Jeep was ambushed and some US soldiers were KIA and WIA!
It went well in 68 and 69. There is a good book by general bonsteel and a congressional report about DMZ incidents. Interesting enough, thing still happen today.
My Father was a Army Major in the ASA during this time stationed at Brady AFB in southern Japan 100 miles from Pusan South Korea. I was a 5 year old army brat living over there.
The 1960s were without a doubt the decade of small states... North Korea, North Vietnam, Cuba, Israel and Sweden made it clear that they were not vassals and should not be messed with. They all managed to pis off the US, USSR and China at some point.
Well done. I was on the Korean DMZ the day the Pueblo was taken. I was a few days short of my 21st birthday and got quite an education. Twenty years later, I spoke with two coworkers who had been in service that day. One had been in the CIA working in the Pacific signal intelligence center in Hawaii. He said they were all baffled. They knew the Pueblo was incapable of gathering any intelligence they didn’t already have and was too slow and too lightly armed for such a mission in the first place. They thought the outcome was inevitable. I left Korea a year later and never did hear those details mentioned in all the official bluster that followed.
Did I miss the Hawaiian good luck gesture the crew gave their captors? My uncle was in Vietnam at the time and he said they thought WWIII was going to break out over the incident. During my time in the Army I was a Signals Intelligence collector so my AIT was on a Navy base and the Pueblo Incident was discussed in detail. I had never heard of the possible connection with Walker either, food for thought. Great video, really enjoy your channel!
I missed that too, lol. The N. Koreans beat the crap out of them when they finally figured it out, but I'm sure it was worth the extra lumps they received.
The crew of the USS Pueblo giving North Korea the finger is so hilarious! Except they were beaten and tortured when they know what they were giving them.
I use to watch the show Family Plots and it takes place in a funeral home. It was one of my favorite shows and on one episode they were doing the funeral for the commander of the ship. It made me want to do more research and I learned that the the decision of the commander was actually very controversial, and he was actually court Marshall and found innocent. He made the decision to save the lives of his crew instead of saving the ship.. I think he was actually a hero. The crew actually was taken hostage by North Korea.
Speaking of Park Chung-hee, the Cold War, can you please make a video on Park Chung-hee's Yushin Constitution and how much it bears similarities to Ferdinand Marcos's martial law.
Park Chung-hee's Yushin Constitution was a great decision that blocked Kim Dae-jung at the time. If Kim Dae-jung had taken power in the 1970s, South Korea would have become communist like Vietnam. Do you know the actual situation in Korea? Korea is actually three countries, just like in the 6th century. Tribalism is extremely strong, and since 1987, when it was democratized, Kim Dae-jung's tribe has been in power for over 40 years with strong organization and overwhelming votes. In foreign countries, Kim Dae-jung is known as a pacifist and democrat who is friendly with North Korea, but in reality, he is an extreme pseudo-religious leader with a Nazi party similar to the Japanese emperor.
My grandpa was in communications he spent a week straight looking for that boat and told the general to “find you fucking boat i didn’t lose it” when he got pissed off because he was in a room for a week straight decoding messages.
I’m a barber and I have the privilege of cutting a gentleman that was on the ship and captured. He is one of my favorite clients. Lots of great stories
the commando raid of dprk forces marks big for me in bold guts just to kill park chun hee and 1 incident the 38 parallel were a dprk if i m not mistaken axe a us or rok personnel Korean axe murder incident if i m not mistaken
After the USS Pueblo, there is another interesting incident that took place between the US and the DPRK, namely the shooting down by the North Koreans of a Lockheed Constellation plane that belonged to the United States.
Btw that was just One of many Assasination attemps carried towards Park also the ROK did not signed the Cease Fire agreement only the DPRK, PRC n the UN signed it
Is South Korea even independent? Even the major agreements are between North Korea and the USA. Also if you love South Korea don't ever closely examine their pre-ww2 until 1988 eras. Japanese Korean collaborators basically won in South Korea. And the ones who resisted Japanese occupation lost. Reminds me if how Japan and Germany prospered while countries who fiercely fought the Axis gained nothing. Greece, Yugoslavia, Russia, Philippines, Ethiopia etc. Being on the right side of history does not always pay.
I always find it funny watching NK tours that they show all this grand stuff and marble subways but then show this dingy of a boat. I get it was important but still it’s like a 7th rate vessel.
it will be pain in the ass for America if the Korean war happened again at the same time Vietnam war because Usa have to send troop to both fronts to deal with it .
This is a perfect example of why the UN simply doesnt work. WEAKNESS in the face of the enemy ALWAYS get exploited. MacArthur was correct. North Korea should have been obliterated along with any chinese forces that intervened. Instead all we got was weakness. All those lives lost for a stalemate that plagues the world to this day. A good example is vietnam. There was a winner and then for the most part it all went quiet. No domino effect, maily just peace.
You need to chill out man, getting enraged by events 70 years ago. Plus think your quite wrong besides being totally immoral who know what effect such destruction would have had on the rest of the cold war. And no domino effect? Like Lao and Cambodia both coming under the control of their own communist governments? The peace of the Lao counter insurgency which is the modern world's longest genocide, the peace of the Khmer Rouge who killed a greater percentage of their own populace than any government. I am glad your here at the CW as it seems like your going to learn a lot.
If the Democratic People's Republic of Korea ever were to invade the Republic of Korea, will the Republic of Korea Armed Forces, the Korean Coast Guard, and the Korean National Police Agency take notes from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard of Ukraine, the National Police of Ukraine, and the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine on how to defend their country?
Im not a military analyst, but I think the two situations are very different. Sure, some things can be learnt from the situation, but thats true for any other war.
I wonder if ( for once ) you might consider producing an episode that ( shock, horror ) does not paint the US and its allies in a flattering light. Earlier this month, the NYT published an article detailing the disgraceful complicity of the US armed forces with the ROK’s own enormous provision of tens of thousands of ( frequently coerced, or simply kidnapped ) South Korean teenage girls, others in their twenties , to satisfy the…’ appetites ‘….of US servicemen. Sadly, I’m not holding my breath in anticipation of you touching this apparently ‘ taboo ‘ corner of Cold War history.
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my brother married a Korean lady. there is an inherent stress in living next to North Korea that we dont experience as Canadians living next to the USA.
So how did get the Strategy became apparent to the sck fck of Park Chung-Lee ???
I remember the day of the incident. My late dad was in the US Air Force and the family was stationed in Japan. That day the commanding general ordered all base Air Force personnel wearing Class B uniforms to return to their quarters and change into their OD green fatigues and boots and return. Everyone waited to see if North Korea and Red China were going to start a new war in Korea.
That must have been intense! I was on a base when 9/11 happened. That was pretty crazy too, yet during a period of relative peace, certainly less threatening when compared to the DPRK.
@@chellybub thank you for your service
The Blue House Raid, that was Unit 124's infiltration and attempt to assassinate South Korean president Park Chung Hee caused South Korea to retaliate in kind by forming their own black ops unit, better known as Unit 684. This unit was made up of 31 prisoners on death row. It was basically South Korea's very own Suicide Squad, and their mission was the assassination of North Korean leader Kim Il Sun. This unit underwent three years of harsh training on the island of Silmido. However in 1971, the operation to assassinate Kim Il Sun was cancelled as relations improved between North and South Korea. This would cause the members of Unit 684 to mutiny, which resulted in them engaging in a firefight in Seoul against South Korean soldiers and police officers, which ended with all but four of the original thirty one members killed. The remaining four survivors were then tried under a military tribunal and sentenced to death. This event would later be adapted into a film known as Silmido, that was released in 2003.
Wow, never knew that, very interesting
I didn't realise that they were persons spared death for such a mission a real dirty dozen
Kim Il-sung was nothing but a failure.
It’s still shrouded in mystery today. The movie is pretty good.
It's insane how many times the Korean War has almost reignited. As bad as the USS Pueblo incident was though, the "Tree War" of 1976 may have been equally close or worse.
Murder by axe is no joke, even during a (frozen) war.
I always heard it called "The Axe Murder Incident". Either way, it was definitely the closest both sides came to a wide open war. I recall hearing about another incident in 1984 involving a Soviet defector that came pretty close to war also, but I don't know much about it.
@@Redneck2393 There is a video about, it called "Forty-Minute Korean War" By Mark Felton
That was f****d up.
ahh the Korean axe incident what a crazy incident
Just finished reading an excellent book by the Captain LLoyd Bucher, would very much recommend it.
My uncle Mike was on board .
I have an uncle who was assigned to the Army intelligence division in Memphis who had to start evaluation of the captured asset of the USS Pueblo and figure out how to begin negotiations for the return of the crew. Thank you for this video. Not a lot of people are even aware of her story, and there's probably not many of the crew themselves left alive, it is very easy to forget just how long ago the Korean War was. These men must have gone through one very arduous captivity, if there were a cruise book for the Pueblo that led to a "where are they now?" video it would garner a million views (or should, by all rights.) Awesome video!
It's crazy to think how many times North and South Korea (And their allies) almost went to war. The 1966-1969 Korean DMZ conflict is really a forgotten yet fascinating conflict to learn about as most of the famous incidents like the Pueblo, the Blue House Raid, and the EC-121 shootdown occurred during that time. I'd love to see more videos covering the conflict in the future as it's definitely the "Forgotten War".
I did not know about this incident! Thanks for the history lesson.
Great video, although I would have liked to have seen more on the Pueblo. My dad was on the ship and one of the 83 crew that day.
My dad was also , Lawerence Mack, he passed in 2008.
Like him or not, President Park stabilized the Republic of Korea and paved the path of a strong country with strong industrial power, economic power, soft power and eventual democracy. one must realize that the path to democracy and prosperity of any war ravaged country is never easy and even more so with a dangerous enemy just next doors.
Well everyone likes him already.
Those who don't like him are either dead or silenced.
He raised a really good president too. She never stole or lied at all. And if she did, it wasn’t that bad compared to other politicians. And if it was, I’m a patriot so I won’t let it bother me.
The 'democratic' choice in S.Korea is much the same as in Japan.....you get to choose which fascist you want.
That's the same reason why North Korea can't adopt a democratic regime while the rest of the world have become such a dangerous enemy.
All you have to do is look at the names of those being sarcastically critical to you to see their agendas.
The piece of equipment the Soviets were after on the Pueblo was the KW-37 encryption device which was both a receiver & transmitter. The bulk of the US Navy's message traffic was transmitted over this machine. Before the pueblo incident the Soviets had attempted to buy one off of Walker but he told them it was impossible, Walker even sold them the technical manuals to the machine for a couple of thousand $$'s. The Soviets problem was they were behind the US by about 10 years in electronics, & couldn't build one. Once they had the machine, they were able to go back years & decode thousands of messages to which Walker had provided them the codes. Then in the early 70's Walker was transferred to the USS Niagara & served as the ships crypto custodian officer. This meant he had access to every code & messages in the 7th fleet & details of naval & air operations in Vietnam.
I know a fellow who frequents a local coffee shop who had a Korea War vet sticker on his antique car. I asked him about it, and said he was one of the last US soldiers recognized as a Korean War vet due to violence in the DMZ during the 1960s! Apparently it was one of (the last?) events where a Jeep was ambushed and some US soldiers were KIA and WIA!
If the “DMZ Conflict” ended in 1967 how do you classify the tree cutting incident at the JSA?
It went well in 68 and 69. There is a good book by general bonsteel and a congressional report about DMZ incidents. Interesting enough, thing still happen today.
My Father was a Army Major in the ASA during this time stationed at Brady AFB in southern Japan 100 miles from Pusan South Korea. I was a 5 year old army brat living over there.
The 1960s were without a doubt the decade of small states... North Korea, North Vietnam, Cuba, Israel and Sweden made it clear that they were not vassals and should not be messed with. They all managed to pis off the US, USSR and China at some point.
Well done. I was on the Korean DMZ the day the Pueblo was taken. I was a few days short of my 21st birthday and got quite an education. Twenty years later, I spoke with two coworkers who had been in service that day. One had been in the CIA working in the Pacific signal intelligence center in Hawaii. He said they were all baffled. They knew the Pueblo was incapable of gathering any intelligence they didn’t already have and was too slow and too lightly armed for such a mission in the first place. They thought the outcome was inevitable. I left Korea a year later and never did hear those details mentioned in all the official bluster that followed.
Interested and enjoyable historical coverage video...thank you for sharing
Yess! I've been waiting for this video for ages, I'll get a take-away and watch it!
Did I miss the Hawaiian good luck gesture the crew gave their captors? My uncle was in Vietnam at the time and he said they thought WWIII was going to break out over the incident. During my time in the Army I was a Signals Intelligence collector so my AIT was on a Navy base and the Pueblo Incident was discussed in detail. I had never heard of the possible connection with Walker either, food for thought. Great video, really enjoy your channel!
I missed that too, lol. The N. Koreans beat the crap out of them when they finally figured it out, but I'm sure it was worth the extra lumps they received.
They also paean'd the great Kim Il-Sung! 😆
Excellent episode!
Thanks
The crew of the USS Pueblo giving North Korea the finger is so hilarious! Except they were beaten and tortured when they know what they were giving them.
The irony is if she hadn't been captured and held as a prize she would have likely scrapped or mothballed in the 1970s
Kudos to the Norks for making it a lovingly maintained museum ship. 😂
I remember there was a UA-camr who vlogged his tour of North Korea where he visited the USS Pueblo and met one of the North Koreans who captured it…
I use to watch the show Family Plots and it takes place in a funeral home. It was one of my favorite shows and on one episode they were doing the funeral for the commander of the ship. It made me want to do more research and I learned that the the decision of the commander was actually very controversial, and he was actually court Marshall and found innocent. He made the decision to save the lives of his crew instead of saving the ship.. I think he was actually a hero. The crew actually was taken hostage by North Korea.
For some reason thinking about the battle of Amami Oshima in 2001. I don't know why. Could be a interesting topic for post cold war video.
Fascinating.
great video bro
Very interesting, never knew this history.
Kim Jung Il approves of the Highlander Reference Movie
Speaking of Park Chung-hee, the Cold War, can you please make a video on Park Chung-hee's Yushin Constitution and how much it bears similarities to Ferdinand Marcos's martial law.
Park Chung-hee's Yushin Constitution was a great decision that blocked Kim Dae-jung at the time. If Kim Dae-jung had taken power in the 1970s, South Korea would have become communist like Vietnam. Do you know the actual situation in Korea? Korea is actually three countries, just like in the 6th century. Tribalism is extremely strong, and since 1987, when it was democratized, Kim Dae-jung's tribe has been in power for over 40 years with strong organization and overwhelming votes. In foreign countries, Kim Dae-jung is known as a pacifist and democrat who is friendly with North Korea, but in reality, he is an extreme pseudo-religious leader with a Nazi party similar to the Japanese emperor.
My grandpa was in communications he spent a week straight looking for that boat and told the general to “find you fucking boat i didn’t lose it” when he got pissed off because he was in a room for a week straight decoding messages.
Nicely done video
Yep
I’ll admit, it’s kinda cool they still have it on display in Pyongyang. What a city that would be to visit.
Make sure you don't steal any posters though or they may torture you☠️
@@lulyhead I’ll wait to visit until they change leadership lol
we need a kdrama of film about this
When they say you only need half your gear, means a one way trip.
I’m a barber and I have the privilege of cutting a gentleman that was on the ship and captured. He is one of my favorite clients. Lots of great stories
Do a video about vlora incident
the commando raid of dprk forces marks big for me in bold guts just to kill park chun hee and 1 incident the 38 parallel were a dprk if i m not mistaken axe a us or rok personnel
Korean axe murder incident if i m not mistaken
After the USS Pueblo, there is another interesting incident that took place between the US and the DPRK, namely the shooting down by the North Koreans of a Lockheed Constellation plane that belonged to the United States.
I still can't understand how north Korea sailed the USS Pueblo around South Korea and the United States did nothing?
Any chance of fixing the playlist? Its backwards chronologically
Thank God of war did not break out .
There can be only one.
Btw that was just One of many Assasination attemps carried towards Park also the ROK did not signed the Cease Fire agreement only the DPRK, PRC n the UN signed it
Am I the only one that thinks this guy looks like a young, bearded Leonid Brezhnev?
I feel like it would be pretty easy to sink the boat now...
You should make an episode on the USS Liberty and expose what happened
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What almost restarted this all
How ironic ia it that the so called 'democratic" North is anything but
seems closer to feudalism than democracy
@@beepboop204 agreed
@@beepboop204 Feudalism and monarchy often go together
Is South Korea even independent? Even the major agreements are between North Korea and the USA.
Also if you love South Korea don't ever closely examine their pre-ww2 until 1988 eras. Japanese Korean collaborators basically won in South Korea. And the ones who resisted Japanese occupation lost. Reminds me if how Japan and Germany prospered while countries who fiercely fought the Axis gained nothing. Greece, Yugoslavia, Russia, Philippines, Ethiopia etc. Being on the right side of history does not always pay.
this
I always find it funny watching NK tours that they show all this grand stuff and marble subways but then show this dingy of a boat. I get it was important but still it’s like a 7th rate vessel.
This play list is a mess. It isn't chronological to when the videos were posted or the historical events.
A quite embarrassing fiasco. Norks are still quite fond of showing everyone on vist their prize.
it will be pain in the ass for America if the Korean war happened again at the same time Vietnam war because Usa have to send troop to both fronts to deal with it .
You mean send troops to two fronts like in WWII?
I wonder what happened to the North Korean who made it back to North Korea.🤔
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This is a perfect example of why the UN simply doesnt work. WEAKNESS in the face of the enemy ALWAYS get exploited. MacArthur was correct. North Korea should have been obliterated along with any chinese forces that intervened. Instead all we got was weakness. All those lives lost for a stalemate that plagues the world to this day. A good example is vietnam. There was a winner and then for the most part it all went quiet. No domino effect, maily just peace.
lol
You need to chill out man, getting enraged by events 70 years ago. Plus think your quite wrong besides being totally immoral who know what effect such destruction would have had on the rest of the cold war. And no domino effect? Like Lao and Cambodia both coming under the control of their own communist governments? The peace of the Lao counter insurgency which is the modern world's longest genocide, the peace of the Khmer Rouge who killed a greater percentage of their own populace than any government.
I am glad your here at the CW as it seems like your going to learn a lot.
@@mysticonthehill but what about virtue signalling how alpha you are online
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If the Democratic People's Republic of Korea ever were to invade the Republic of Korea, will the Republic of Korea Armed Forces, the Korean Coast Guard, and the Korean National Police Agency take notes from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the National Guard of Ukraine, the National Police of Ukraine, and the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine on how to defend their country?
Im not a military analyst, but I think the two situations are very different. Sure, some things can be learnt from the situation, but thats true for any other war.
Don't forget the USS Liberty that was attacked by the Israeli Navy too.
I wonder if ( for once ) you might consider producing an episode that ( shock, horror ) does not paint the US and its allies in a flattering light. Earlier this month, the NYT published an article detailing the disgraceful complicity of the US armed forces with the ROK’s own enormous provision of tens of thousands of ( frequently coerced, or simply kidnapped ) South Korean teenage girls, others in their twenties , to satisfy the…’ appetites ‘….of US servicemen. Sadly, I’m not holding my breath in anticipation of you touching this apparently ‘ taboo ‘ corner of Cold War history.
7 minutes into the video and I still haven't heard much at all about the Pueblo. Thumbs down. I stopped watching.
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