I've lost all respect since they dressed Eric and Tommy as the Peter and Ace. And to make matters worse, Paul called the band PISS if the original members were to reunite. Paul would never have gone this far without the original band.
Seeing the final show end with the reveal of the avatar thing made me feel like Ralphie from "A Christmas Story" after spending all that time decoding Little Orphan Annie's secret message ... a crummy commercial?!?!?!?!? The entire weekend was this big build up of hype ... for nothing! There was no sense of sentimentality or gratitude on the part of the band members (then again, no one gets to speak onstage except for Paul, so that might be presumptuous on my part); what was even the point of bothering to finish up in NYC? I never imagined them bringing out any past members to perform (or even take a bow, for that matter), but they could have at least acknowledged them verbally or on the video screens. And on top of all that, they're not even going to give people a chance to miss them for even a little while! They're barely off the stage and this avatar thing pops up IMMEDIATELY! I felt just as deflated as poor Ralphie did when he figured out Annie had no intention of letting him into the Secret Circle at all ... she just wanted him to buy some more Ovaltine. "Son of a ... "
I’m a lifelong KISS fan. That said while last nights show was a spectacle, it was clear to me that the time has long come to end the live shows. I don’t need to see avatars. I want to remember KISS as a great band that had a great run. It’s time to move on and allow their legacy to remain intact.
Why not have KISS continue in the form of avatars? We still have memories of their legacy and we still have KISS live footage from the 70s that we can always go back and watch like on the Kissology Volume One DVD. Having them continue insures that KISS stay alive for generations to come. If KISS stopped touring fans of today especially younger fans would never be able to experience a KISS show ever again. Stop thinking only about yourself@@ChrisDicksonOhio
Agreed about no avatars, unfortunately they’ve already greatly damaged their legacy with 10 years of touring too long, lip syncing, and over merchandising.
I think Gene and Paul have a genuine issue with the idea of mortality - they can’t imagine a world without them - hence this being appealing to them. They’ve also been after the casual fan for years. I have a female friend in her early 30’s. She likes KISS and is perfectly happy with a Scooby Doo appearance with KISS on DVD. It’s something she can show her two year old. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that’s the demographic they want versus those us who dissect The Elder. KISS haven’t been after hardcore fans like us for years. I’ve grown used to it.
Avatars are the future for old bands and music unfortunately. They already have the blind die hard fans so I don’t see them caring that much about avatars as long as they see the flashy cartoons. I don’t feel like it will be something that’s gonna sell forever like they might hope.
@@AverageUser- I know you're right, I'm a original fan seen them in 76. Live music means nothing to these people today. It's okay to play backing tracks and lip sync for 400 dollars a ticket. I payed 7.50 in 76 and 28.00 in 96. I should have known these kids today will pay big buck for virtual crap. I miss the old days where talent mattered. ✌️
I saw two shows in '96 with the original lineup. They were awesome. But am I the only one who thinks they should have retired in Y2K? Before Paul lost his voice and Gene's hemorrhoids? And turning KISS into a self-aggrandizing tribute band?
Totally agree. I stopped going to see them live after the Psycho Circus tour. Dragging the whole show out for another 20+ years has devalued their legacy but lined their pockets
I agree with a number of points. I was thinking that instead of doing a studio album they should wrap up with doing "The Solos II"? This could give each one of them and the freedom to think freshly, let each member spread their wings, and just kind of make it where each album is the individuals good bye to the fans.
I saw Kiss with the original lineup three times since the first reunion tour. I have been done since the last show I saw (was it 2001?). I love their 70s catalog. I like a sprinkling of 80s songs. Nothing since. I don't care about the avatars. I don't need them to do anything else. I wish them a happy retirement. My big question is "why are the avatars the old, wrinkly version of the band"? The kids aren't gonna wanna see that!
This fan, since 1974, wants them to go off into the sunset and live the rest of their lives with their families and loved ones. Let Tommy take over the vault and just start dropping all those classic era shows and audio. That is what I am looking for. I am not remotely interested in any new music. The real goldmine is in that vault. That should be the focus in my opinion.
Ever since we all saw how good the Abba avatars were, I've thought for a long time now that Kiss should do that one day. Build replicas of the Destroyer or Love Gun stages, and reproduce the original band, as they were back in the 70's. A faithfull reproduction of classic Kiss, rather than this computer game style thing. That kind of hologram performance isn't built for touring, but you could have purpose built venues, like the one in London for the Abba show, in different countries. You could rotate the program by producing hologram shows of other classic bands and artists. Possible eventually , different eras of Kiss. I absolutely loved the reunion tour, but the one thing I thought could have made it even better, was if they had reporoduced the actual Love Gun/Alive ll stage set.
I keep seeing people say how 'good' the ABBA avatars are, have you seen any actual concert footage of them in action? i bet you haven't, because there is none on youtube, all the videos of that show are just closeups and select shots that the band put out, but curiously, there are no audience filmed videos of what the show looks like from the crowd from different angles, and that's because it doesn't look/work the way it's shown in the trailers that ABBA put out.
@@greatunz67it’s because they want people to see it themselves and it kind of like a movie since it’s just screens and speakers. So they definitely won’t let you record just like a theater.
I can't help but to find it entertaining when Ace Frehley mocks and criticises his former band of Kiss as they are being a joke with these 3D Avatar tours that are not even beginning until 2027!
As a fan I would love for them to go back through the Kiss Cruises and put out an album of the deep cut songs they would always play during the cruise shows. This would be live versions of songs that are not already on another live album. Hopefully those were recorded and kept.
They should just call it a day. It was over after Alive 2 anyway let's be honest. It's not KISS without Ace and Peter. Just release vintage live material from the 70's.
Abba's avatars were realistic and portrayed the group during their youthful prime. These KISS avatars are cartoonish, stretched proportionally and look like the current lineup ( old ). Who wants to see Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman decked out in their costumes when they're 80+ years old? If you're going to go the avatar route at least portray KISS when they were in their prime.
I agree with Martin in the sense that I would rather listen to KISS speak about their albums ala Geddy Lee's cool af book tour. After I saw the "New Era" promo video, it feels like watching someone else play Beatles Rock Band with my old Xbox 360 but never getting a turn on the controller. At least when ABBA did it, people hadn't seen them play live in 40 years. And Björn Ulvaeus & Benny Andersson didn't go get the two females from Ace of Base to replace Agnetha & Frida.
A real final concert or wrap up would have had homages to former band members. KISS would not have survived, or been as popular, without Bruce Kulick and Eric Carr. No tribute to them? No tribute to original band members? Gene and Paul jumped the shark after the 96-98 reunion. They found a great cash cow in younger fans and Gene and Paul don't know when enough is enough....
Understood but never ever on board w T Thayer and E Singer w make up. They made this an embarrassment a long time ago and no spectacular Grand Finale honoring or remembering past memebers is surprising and a huge disappointment
Martin, you are consistently giving out positive advice to and about KISS. Given how jaded and angry most KISS fans are (for good reason sometimes) you are living up to that contrarian name. Great video man.
What a unique way to ruin a legacy. Guess they were trying to one-up Motley Crue. Gene and Paul could have just chosen their own replacements and called it Kiss Alive or something.
Enough of Kiss Paul will devote his time to Soul Station, Gene will do his solo band & help his son with his band, Tommy may do some stuff with Black & Blue, Eric will do drum clinics & write a book
There's enough stockpiled demo material to pick through to make a great double album. Of course the songs would need to be worked up, polished and re-done but there's good material there to choose from. Additionally I'd like to see Peter, Ace, Vinnie and Bruce brought in making guest appearances on that kind of a KISS album and have Eddie Kramer as the producer.
@@WilliamCurry-bh3dk I've yet to find any demo material rejected or otherwise from Sonic Boom or Monster. That's weird because so much other material from other albums has been leaked over the years.
You are living in a dream land, none of that will ever happen. If the fact that they made avatars of the Kiss in makeup band but used Tommy and Eric for them and not Ace and Peter doesn't make you aware they will never work with/for Kiss again, nothing will.
I think Kiss should receive an award for making a 10 years long musical career last 40 years too long. Then give one to the Stones for squeezing 60 years out of a 20 year career.
@@overtheedge4711 agreed although I personally think that maybe about half of the first album was decent. If you take everything they ever did combined, you might be able to muster up one decent album.
@@dlwseattle Can't argue with you there! It still bothers me how so many people with (otherwise) decent taste in music defend that band so much. 98% of it is like nails on a chalkboard to me when Axl starts his warbling.
You can have paid musicians from anywhere play with these motion suits on and then pipe a live "concert" into multiple venues as Kiss. The point being that anyone can be these Kiss characters and they can live on forever. Can you imagine how much money these guys can make by having their avatars play live across multiple venues?
Great observations. While I understand the ABBA avatars and the show that they are putting on, i was never under the impression that it was meant as a vehicle of continuing the band. Sure there was a new album but that was more of a marketing tool. Certaintly a great way to market the band, but they haven't been active in the industry. For me the last show for KISS should have just been a celebration of the legacy, a thanks to the fans and even a thanks to KISS from the fans for all these years. Later on if they wanted to maket themselves into video games etc great. The end with the "new era" just tarnished everything. It was best saved for a later time. Even then we really don't know what they will do with it. As a touring show? Not those avatars as they were more movie/video game / comic. I imagine if they actually did something like having "shows" featurng past eras, etc it might be a fun thing to go see if in New York. I'd much rather hear more about the life and times of KISS and details behind the albums etc.
So why not just have an ongoing touring troop with younger musicians dressed as the Kiss characters .... like Transiberian Orchestra does. You could go see the Kiss show every couple years when it comes through your town... you could totally have a revolving cast of musicians... they're all dressed up in costumes so it doesn't really matter who the musicians are... it's a show!
Only thing I could get behind at this point would be some sort of reunion of the "Revenge"/"COS" lineup. Do a few shows in street clothes and concentrate on non-makeup years. Maybe do another album in the "Revenge" mold.
It’s from the same people that do the Abba one in London, and that looks tremendous. I have some friends in England that were very sceptical, but they went and had a ball and have been a few times. The Abba ones look 1000% better than those CGI things we saw. They look incredible, the Abba ones. The Kiss ones, I think those are a long way from what the finished product will be. I get what Martin is saying, but this isn’t aimed at us dudes that are in our mid 50s. We’ve been with the band for most of our lives. This is the same as the Abba thing in that it’s for the casual fan and the younger generation that never got to experience the big show. And I think this will be pushed as a Kiss concert experience. We are never going to get another one in the flesh. I’m happy for it to end here. With all these ideas they should do this, or do that, the one thing that seems to be discounted. They may just want to retire. They’ll never want for money. Gene is 75 next year. He’s said numerous times the last year, he’s tired. They’ve given us 50 years. Surely that’s enough. Again, I’m going with what I see with my eyes, and what people have told me that have been to the Abba one. If it’s as good as that, I’m 100% down. This stuff has come a long way since the Dio hologram.
I think another thing that would be cool is to see a bunch of guitarists influenced by Ace come in and do some original songs with KISS, guys that love KISS: Richie Ranno, Jay Jay French, Marty Friedman, Satch, CC Deville, Paul Gilbert, Slash, David Sabo. Do an album with Rik Emmett or Andy Scott--would be awesome. Just trying to keep the ideas going.
They already did 'Kiss : Immortals' in 2000 with Ace & Peter, with even worse dated CGI, it was a basic choose-your-own-adventure type game for PC format. Peter even had the same levitating drum discs hovering around him as Eric did in the new 'Immortalized' trailer. Kiss will never do another studio album of new material in today's climate, that's pure pipedreaming. It's time to let it go, man. We'll always have the memories & the songs.
At this point, AI could probably do better new KISS songs than Stanley and Simmons can do. Pull the plug and let us go on our memories, records, recordings ect. We do not need anything new from KISS. It's over, and been over since 2001.
Paul can't sing anymore. Plain and simple. That's why they won't do another album. Paul has said "no" forever now. 90% of their setlist is from the 'Original 4 era'. Paul was reduced to lip-synching and all of that and that is no longer a live and functioning band. That's a performance. They should have ended years ago in my view, but they were doing well at the concerts, just not for me. But I'm glad it's over.
Gene & Paul have it more than apparent since Monster has come out that they don’t ever wanna make another album or write another new KISS song. Gene says it’s because of streaming and piracy and Paul says the fans don’t want to hear new music. My guess is that one day and probably one day soon, the new virtual band will be able to write new songs and henceforth put out new music.
Likewise, I can't foresee what the avatar is supposed to be. However I am interested to see where they take it, although I am highly unlikely to pay for anything to do with avatars
Martin, you're on the money. A studio version of Pumpkins United. Like you say, get Peter to sing. No need to tour this united. A studio band of Paul, Gene, Ace, Peter, Tommy, Eric and Bruce. No need to get them in the same studio or together. Session musicians and song doctors are even acceptable. Get it produced by Bob Ezrin. The avatar thing seems to lack authenticity.
Ugh, just when I thought we wouldn't have to hear about Kiss anymore, avatars Although, they are so money hungry and fame needy. if this doesn't work they will come up with a new angle to siphon money out of people 😂
Wow. Those Avatars are terrible. Looks like something that would have been modern for Pyscho Circus. Its funny. I watched a "Highlights from the MSG show" it was only 26 min long. I found myself so bored I was fast forwarding through it. Fan since 8 in '78
Looks like the cheap AI avatar idea is already dead-in-the-water for fans. A rather anti-climactic end to 50 years of grand rock and roll. I would pay $125 to see a KISS 2.0 show with real human beings playing KISS songs I've never heard live before. The fake AI avatar stuff I would pass on a $10 ticket for a Sunday matinee.
What a joke!!! I’m done with Kiss that show was a disappointment, same show the whole tour , seen them twice on this tour same both times . Same boring setlist . Swapped tears are falling with making love !! No acknowledging the past members of Kiss -Eric Carr Vinny Vincent mark St. John Bruce Kullick . No thank you at all .. very dissatisfied with the way you ended it!! Been a kiss fan since I was 12 but it’s time good riddance!!
I echo your sentiments Ralph.... such a wasted opportunity to bow out in a distinguished manner. However, the last twenty years they've just been going through the motions and collecting a paycheque. Sad.
The book Martin has out is great! NO ONE wants the Kiss avatars. No humanity to them. None whatsoever. Music is what connects people, looking for that human to human connection. Computer graphics passed off as a concert entertainment entity , no thanks, not today not ever. Paul's voice is sadly in no condition to do another album, sad as it is. Though I wish they could pull a beatles move.
No humanity to them...... that's the point. KISS aren't supposed to be seen as human. They're supposed to be seen as larger than life comic book characters/super heroes.
The Avatars thing is so horrible and cheesy, but it will appeal to the die hard average type of Kiss fans who just say yes to everything Kiss does and think they are the best band ever, they are the type of people who think wrestling and nascar racing are high forms of entertainment, so this will be right up their alley.
I'd love a new studio album, but we all know there are too many "fans" who would just bitch about: A) "Tommy and Eric aren't Ace and Peter! Waaah!" and: B) "Everything they've done since Love Gun sucks!" So I get why they don't really feel like rushing into a recording studio for that nonsense.
Avatars for immortality? Uh, that's what the thousands of KISS videos will provide. I just can't wrap my head around anyone wanting to see an animated KISS concert. I've been a fan since you could walk with them down the street, while they were hoping many of the local high school kids would show up for a concert. Bought all the ALBUMS. No CD's, No digital downloads. Big plastic platters. KISS Alive on LP is just magical to listen to. I've aged with them. I understand. Dying hair is just getting old. 7 inch leather heels, once theatrical, is now a life and limb decision. The money will always be there. Paul is wrong. Bands don't go on forever. Today, KISS was ONCE a band. The end of live performances turns a band into studio musicians should they put something else out. The fans die when the band dissolves and they simply become listeners. The hottest band in the world has been put to rest.
The 50th anniversary of the debut is 2024. How about a deluxe edition with all the Eddie Kramer demos and some live stuff? Also how about giving us more Off The Soundboard stuff from different eras? I'm fine with that.
KISS has been a Broadway show for more than 20 years. Everything choreographed to an inch of its life. Same set list every tour, no surprises. Even replacement members wearing the same makeup as the original guys! I agree Martin, the sky is the limit, but Paul and Gene will never be truly honest in interviews because it’s all about protecting the brand no matter what.
In my 30s now, have been a Kiss fan since childhood. I have a wild idea for Kiss. How about retiring? I know it's a crazy concept but how about having some dignity and leaving their musical legacy be?
People who aren't rock and metal fans always think this sort of music is silly and dumb. With Motley and Leppard on the we can't play anymore tour and now Kiss doing the here is a concert without us but still the same price tour coming to a town near you.Its embarrassing and getting harder to defend the music I love . Next, it will be Aerosmith on the 30-year goodbye tour, and the bloody Stones need to pack it up too.Its not helping .Let the new bands take over, please, Rival Sons GVF and Dirty Honey, just to name a few
a mew kiss album would be a mess for a few reason. first, I saw an interview a year or so that Paul stated that he can't imagine writing any new songs plus the other factor is that his vocals are shot. they have decided to retire from touring like Elton John has decided he is done with traveling, same with Ted Nugent. he has complained that he is sick of staying at hotels. doing one last album with Ace, Peter, Bruce, Eric, and Tommy contribute but the problem is Paul has been very vocal about Ace and Peter. Gene is the same. they have admitted without Pete and Ace kiss would not existed but would not want to work with them again. kind of what Styx had said. well, what JT Young of Styx have said. he has gone on in a interview a few year ago on Dan Rather's Big Interview that he never want to ever work with Dennis again. the point I'm making. Kiss want to continue as a brand instead of a band.
My first thought was , "oh god its Kiss Meets the Phantom" movie thing....oh boy....got to give it to them though, their trying different things...but I don't think this will stick. Its been 50 years, I think we are good and we get it. As a fan for almost 40 years, Im good and the most important thing for me is the music that they put out over the years. Without the song you have nothing no matter how cool the look or stage show. Crap songs is crap songs. Kiss hit and miss on songs too but when you look at the catalogue the 80/20 principle works really well. 20% of the songs in their catalogue are classic all the way. Remember the music will always continue no matter what form as oppose to the merchandise and other fun things they came up with and plus Im a musician so my focus was on their songs anyways!
The avatars are of Tommy and Eric 🤦♂️! Should be of an era that fans want! I’m guessing it involves money! Paul and Gene get Tommy and Eric for basically free lol! Definitely agree about the new album; if it is with Ace and Peter! I’ve said all along they don’t have to be in the same room to make an album! Email tracks back and forth! Easily done! Great idea Martin!
I frankly agree with the idea that the Kiss Avatar concerts is a dumb idea as I think a concert is more genuine when it's all musical instruments played by live, flesh and blood human beings regardless of who the band or musician is Kiss or otherwise and not 3D cartoon characters who look like they got ripped from a videogame from 20 to 25 years ago!
Perhaps they should just retire. How much money can they need ? They really can’t sing and haven’t been able to in years. I saw part of their show a couple of years ago. They were pretty poor. If they want money have a couple hundred f official tribute bands using the KISS clothes and stage shows. These are effective for Genesis and Pink Floyd. Although they may not be official but use the costumes etc. But to be fair never saw the appeal of KISS, they are alright.
Hi. with the greatest of respect, a "book-tour" type of event is all about looking backwards and celebrating the past. I believe that what Doc and the guys are doing is looking to the future. I have already seen the past. I lived it as a fan for over 40 years. I want new things and new projects. Not nostalgia for the past. I am looking forward to see what they cook up :)
Paul and Gene are in their 70's and financially wealthy. There is no reason for them to make new music or go on spoken word tours. I imagine the avatar thing is going to be like a modern (and super expensive) version of the old "laser shows" (like Laser Pink Floyd and Led Zep). It could be worse. Just be glad there isn't a KISS themed Cirque Du Soleil show in the works.
I think they'll realise that this avatar thing won't be cost effective and we'll notch it off as a failed endeavor. Last thing I want to see is a Toomy Thayer avatar. I'm in favor of pro-shot shows for theatrical releases.
I don't think the demand for new music by any of these legacy acts or their remnants is in demand or will ever go over into any degree of real success.New Mick Mars and new ACE, neither are exactly chart toppers. Both just kinda....meh. I went to a Doobie Brothers concert last summer. Everyone was up singing along having a great time. Then one of them said "here's a new song!" The crowd got noticeably quite. People sat down, walked off the use the restroom or to get food or drinks. There were even some near me just yelling at the band to play their older music and everything going on on the stage seemed forced. I find it quite self-effacing of Gene and Paul to understand that not many people would listen to it more than once or twice and sales wouldn't even get them back in the black. I think this is evident when Kiss plays "Say Yeah" and to a degree even "Psycho Circus." It's okay but most people are just nodding along wishing they had dropped those songs and put in "Strutter!"
Kiss obviously never learns from Their own History. They've almost repeated everything from the members not playing on the records & leaving the band, to listening to the wrong people. Now they're a video game band? How bad is kiss meets the phantom or the elder now, right? Being a kiss fan is like being in a relationship with a Liar, Cheater, Fake & Manipulator. When You know the Truth, You're Very Disappointed and Heartbroken.💔 F THEM!
The avatar thing would fly if they were to approach it with a sense of realism. The direction taken with the current iteration looks too Macfarlane-esque and Guitar hero-ish. Rather they should try to re-create 70's era KISS with an authentic nod at replicating a live concert experience in all it's glory. If they want this new era of Kiss to appeal to a new generation of youth, they should redirect their focus on entering the gaming (streaming) industries or virtual reality gaming consoles (licensing deals). But for an avatar "concert experience" they need something more substantive, so by brandishing their own authentic selves into their avatars in the prime of their youth, the concert alone would have universal appeal.
The vapid people who bought ABBA records in the 1970s are the same vapid people who would pay to watch a cartoon ABBA. Some people pay other people to kick them in the testicles. That's not what most people are into, though, and most KISS fans are not into paying $200 to watch a videogame iteration of KISS. This is mindless, soulless, AI-generated consumerism. Do not think, just consume and obey.
Martin, I think it`s time to let the Kiss output go. I feel it would be far more exciting to put some effort and energy into getting Crown Lands a popular place in this nutty rock `n roll world.
I laughed when they made a comic book, lunch boxes, underwear, pinball machines, toothbrushes, action figures and even coffins and on and on...the masters of merchandise! I don't doubt anything they do. Rock on🤟
Avatars are the future for old bands and music unfortunately. They already have the blind die hard fans so I don’t see them caring that much about avatars as long as they see the flashy cartoons. I don’t feel like it will be something that’s gonna sell forever like they might hope.
They don't have a lot of years left to do all these ideas in, time's running out which is why they should've stopped well over a decade ago and done new interesting things then.
They are mid 70's putting on make up. Gene performed with a kidney stone ready to come out. Have Tommy and Eric look for replacement for Gene and Paul. It's not the same but it hasn't been since Ace and Peter have left anyway. Kiss holograms is where this is going. We don't need a hologram of Tommy and Eric, they are still fairly young and have quite a few more years left. This is about Gene and Paul sadly.
It'd frankly be cool to hear them do covers of their big influences, like Slade and Free. Heavy up the guitars, and with those voices--they'd be better than the originals. Do Free-Fire and Water, Slade-Whatever Happened to Slade?, and MC5-Kick Out the jams. It'd be awesome.
I saw KISS IN 76 and 77 when I was 15 and 16. I bought the next 3 or 4 Albums after Alive but I grew out of them. Ive been learning Aces sos from Alive this year but anything after that doesnt hold up in my opinion. Alive though still legit
I see all kinds of comments on how Kiss doing avatar and how its so stupid . But if this was any other band it would be a great idea . And as far as them coming out with a new CD why everyone complains on how Paul cant sing any more . If anyone thinks that Kiss will come out with new music and Paul not doing any songs is wrong.
I had a feeling Kiss would die without any dignity and with this avatar silliness, my feeling has come true. Embarrassing.
Very embarrassing, quite sad!
I've lost all respect since they dressed Eric and Tommy as the Peter and Ace. And to make matters worse, Paul called the band PISS if the original members were to reunite. Paul would never have gone this far without the original band.
With the imposter kiss you already knew that 20 years ago.
Seeing the final show end with the reveal of the avatar thing made me feel like Ralphie from "A Christmas Story" after spending all that time decoding Little Orphan Annie's secret message ... a crummy commercial?!?!?!?!? The entire weekend was this big build up of hype ... for nothing! There was no sense of sentimentality or gratitude on the part of the band members (then again, no one gets to speak onstage except for Paul, so that might be presumptuous on my part); what was even the point of bothering to finish up in NYC? I never imagined them bringing out any past members to perform (or even take a bow, for that matter), but they could have at least acknowledged them verbally or on the video screens. And on top of all that, they're not even going to give people a chance to miss them for even a little while! They're barely off the stage and this avatar thing pops up IMMEDIATELY! I felt just as deflated as poor Ralphie did when he figured out Annie had no intention of letting him into the Secret Circle at all ... she just wanted him to buy some more Ovaltine. "Son of a ... "
I’m a lifelong KISS fan. That said while last nights show was a spectacle, it was clear to me that the time has long come to end the live shows. I don’t need to see avatars. I want to remember KISS as a great band that had a great run. It’s time to move on and allow their legacy to remain intact.
You’re 💯 on the money. Move on and we have memories of their legacy
Why not have KISS continue in the form of avatars? We still have memories of their legacy and we still have KISS live footage from the 70s that we can always go back and watch like on the Kissology Volume One DVD. Having them continue insures that KISS stay alive for generations to come. If KISS stopped touring fans of today especially younger fans would never be able to experience a KISS show ever again. Stop thinking only about yourself@@ChrisDicksonOhio
Agreed about no avatars, unfortunately they’ve already greatly damaged their legacy with 10 years of touring too long, lip syncing, and over merchandising.
They kind of squandered that after the 3rd-4th farewell tour past their prime.
Dude, their legacy? hahaha Remain?!?!? HAHAHAHAHA!! Do you really believe the bullshit you say? 🤣😝😳
I think Gene and Paul have a genuine issue with the idea of mortality - they can’t imagine a world without them - hence this being appealing to them.
They’ve also been after the casual fan for years. I have a female friend in her early 30’s. She likes KISS and is perfectly happy with a Scooby Doo appearance with KISS on DVD. It’s something she can show her two year old. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that’s the demographic they want versus those us who dissect The Elder.
KISS haven’t been after hardcore fans like us for years. I’ve grown used to it.
You're absolutely right well said.
70s fans are a after thought or no thought at all.
You are correct. When the end of life is near that’s what you want.
Avatars are the future for old bands and music unfortunately. They already have the blind die hard fans so I don’t see them caring that much about avatars as long as they see the flashy cartoons. I don’t feel like it will be something that’s gonna sell forever like they might hope.
@@AverageUser- I know you're right, I'm a original fan seen them in 76. Live music means nothing to these people today.
It's okay to play backing tracks and lip sync for 400 dollars a ticket. I payed 7.50 in 76 and 28.00 in 96.
I should have known these kids today will pay big buck for virtual crap. I miss the old days where talent mattered. ✌️
@@stephenlandry9343Yeah I think it’s gonna work but god knows for how long it’s gonna sell…
I saw two shows in '96 with the original lineup. They were awesome. But am I the only one who thinks they should have retired in Y2K? Before Paul lost his voice and Gene's hemorrhoids? And turning KISS into a self-aggrandizing tribute band?
Agree!
Totally agree. I stopped going to see them live after the Psycho Circus tour. Dragging the whole show out for another 20+ years has devalued their legacy but lined their pockets
I agree too. If they were ever going to retire from the road maybe they should have just done around 20 years in 2001 the way they intended than!
I agree with a number of points. I was thinking that instead of doing a studio album they should wrap up with doing "The Solos II"? This could give each one of them and the freedom to think freshly, let each member spread their wings, and just kind of make it where each album is the individuals good bye to the fans.
I saw Kiss with the original lineup three times since the first reunion tour. I have been done since the last show I saw (was it 2001?). I love their 70s catalog. I like a sprinkling of 80s songs. Nothing since. I don't care about the avatars. I don't need them to do anything else. I wish them a happy retirement.
My big question is "why are the avatars the old, wrinkly version of the band"? The kids aren't gonna wanna see that!
This fan, since 1974, wants them to go off into the sunset and live the rest of their lives with their families and loved ones. Let Tommy take over the vault and just start dropping all those classic era shows and audio. That is what I am looking for. I am not remotely interested in any new music.
The real goldmine is in that vault. That should be the focus in my opinion.
Never thought of it this way. You raised great, intelligent points. Sincerely, a lifelong KISS fan 1973-2023.
Ever since we all saw how good the Abba avatars were, I've thought for a long time now that Kiss should do that one day. Build replicas of the Destroyer or Love Gun stages, and reproduce the original band, as they were back in the 70's. A faithfull reproduction of classic Kiss, rather than this computer game style thing. That kind of hologram performance isn't built for touring, but you could have purpose built venues, like the one in London for the Abba show, in different countries. You could rotate the program by producing hologram shows of other classic bands and artists.
Possible eventually , different eras of Kiss.
I absolutely loved the reunion tour, but the one thing I thought could have made it even better, was if they had reporoduced the actual Love Gun/Alive ll stage set.
100% agree. Would have loved to see the Alive 2 Stage revived for the final tour. That was Kiss at their peak...
I agree. I was at the Los Angeles Fourm for those shows Alive 2 and it was incredible.
I keep seeing people say how 'good' the ABBA avatars are, have you seen any actual concert footage of them in action? i bet you haven't, because there is none on youtube, all the videos of that show are just closeups and select shots that the band put out, but curiously, there are no audience filmed videos of what the show looks like from the crowd from different angles, and that's because it doesn't look/work the way it's shown in the trailers that ABBA put out.
@@greatunz67it’s because they want people to see it themselves and it kind of like a movie since it’s just screens and speakers. So they definitely won’t let you record just like a theater.
Avatars are the future for old music acts unfortunately. They can look young and give fans a movie of their hits.
Thankfully we still have Ace Frehley putting out good music.
Thank goodness!
LOLOL
Ace is a drunken bitching n complaining fool
Well, putting out music anyway..
I can't help but to find it entertaining when Ace Frehley mocks and criticises his former band of Kiss as they are being a joke with these 3D Avatar tours that are not even beginning until 2027!
As a fan I would love for them to go back through the Kiss Cruises and put out an album of the deep cut songs they would always play during the cruise shows. This would be live versions of songs that are not already on another live album. Hopefully those were recorded and kept.
They should just call it a day. It was over after Alive 2 anyway let's be honest. It's not KISS without Ace and Peter. Just release vintage live material from the 70's.
Or they could just STOP already and stop ruining the legacy
No chance when goofy fans will pay their last dollar for another kiss tchotchke ....
They peed in our faces with Dynasty and Unmasked, and i tuned out, getting into Rush, Van Halen, Iron Maiden etc. Never looked back. Much.
Abba's avatars were realistic and portrayed the group during their youthful prime.
These KISS avatars are cartoonish, stretched proportionally and look like the current lineup ( old ).
Who wants to see Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman decked out in their costumes when they're 80+ years old?
If you're going to go the avatar route at least portray KISS when they were in their prime.
I agree they should portray KISS in their prime. That's one of the things I'm most excited about them going the avatar route.
I agree with Martin in the sense that I would rather listen to KISS speak about their albums ala Geddy Lee's cool af book tour.
After I saw the "New Era" promo video, it feels like watching someone else play Beatles Rock Band with my old Xbox 360 but never getting a turn on the controller. At least when ABBA did it, people hadn't seen them play live in 40 years. And Björn Ulvaeus & Benny Andersson didn't go get the two females from Ace of Base to replace Agnetha & Frida.
A real final concert or wrap up would have had homages to former band members. KISS would not have survived, or been as popular, without Bruce Kulick and Eric Carr. No tribute to them? No tribute to original band members? Gene and Paul jumped the shark after the 96-98 reunion. They found a great cash cow in younger fans and Gene and Paul don't know when enough is enough....
yes agreed! they have many options. Would be more excited about new music and albums then i would be for a CGI KISS Performance.
Understood but never ever on board w T Thayer and E Singer w make up. They made this an embarrassment a long time ago and no spectacular Grand Finale honoring or remembering past memebers is surprising and a huge disappointment
Will the avatars be using backing tracks for added authenticity?
😂 😂 you win!
Martin, you are consistently giving out positive advice to and about KISS. Given how jaded and angry most KISS fans are (for good reason sometimes) you are living up to that contrarian name. Great video man.
What a unique way to ruin a legacy. Guess they were trying to one-up Motley Crue.
Gene and Paul could have just chosen their own replacements and called it Kiss Alive or something.
Enough of Kiss Paul will devote his time to Soul Station, Gene will do his solo band & help his son with his band, Tommy may do some stuff with Black & Blue, Eric will do drum clinics & write a book
There's enough stockpiled demo material to pick through to make a great double album. Of course the songs would need to be worked up, polished and re-done but there's good material there to choose from. Additionally I'd like to see Peter, Ace, Vinnie and Bruce brought in making guest appearances on that kind of a KISS album and have Eddie Kramer as the producer.
what was demod from Boom and Moster - songs anyone confirmed songs //// been pretty quiet on studio albums
@@WilliamCurry-bh3dk I've yet to find any demo material rejected or otherwise from Sonic Boom or Monster. That's weird because so much other material from other albums has been leaked over the years.
You are living in a dream land, none of that will ever happen. If the fact that they made avatars of the Kiss in makeup band but used Tommy and Eric for them and not Ace and Peter doesn't make you aware they will never work with/for Kiss again, nothing will.
true ty @@allanpeck8523
Oh lovely, I can't wait for the 2023 Remix, Studio Master, Scott Storch remix of "My Uncle Is A Raft!"
I think Kiss should receive an award for making a 10 years long musical career last 40 years too long. Then give one to the Stones for squeezing 60 years out of a 20 year career.
And don't forget Axl Rose squeezing 37+ years out of one good album & 4 others that combined make another half decent one.
@@overtheedge4711 agreed although I personally think that maybe about half of the first album was decent. If you take everything they ever did combined, you might be able to muster up one decent album.
@@dlwseattle Can't argue with you there! It still bothers me how so many people with (otherwise) decent taste in music defend that band so much. 98% of it is like nails on a chalkboard to me when Axl starts his warbling.
@@overtheedge4711 People are just like that about most bands
You can have paid musicians from anywhere play with these motion suits on and then pipe a live "concert" into multiple venues as Kiss. The point being that anyone can be these Kiss characters and they can live on forever. Can you imagine how much money these guys can make by having their avatars play live across multiple venues?
BTW Martin, I have your book , and it's superb.
Great observations. While I understand the ABBA avatars and the show that they are putting on, i was never under the impression that it was meant as a vehicle of continuing the band. Sure there was a new album but that was more of a marketing tool. Certaintly a great way to market the band, but they haven't been active in the industry. For me the last show for KISS should have just been a celebration of the legacy, a thanks to the fans and even a thanks to KISS from the fans for all these years. Later on if they wanted to maket themselves into video games etc great. The end with the "new era" just tarnished everything. It was best saved for a later time. Even then we really don't know what they will do with it. As a touring show? Not those avatars as they were more movie/video game / comic. I imagine if they actually did something like having "shows" featurng past eras, etc it might be a fun thing to go see if in New York. I'd much rather hear more about the life and times of KISS and details behind the albums etc.
As an OG fan, I feel like the tank ran empty long ago. I really don't get what people are getting out of it now.
KISS have not been relevant since the 1980s. I can’t see what people have been getting out of it for the last 30 years, frankly.
Definitely would be sweet to hear more in depth info on each album! That'd be fun.
So why not just have an ongoing touring troop with younger musicians dressed as the Kiss characters .... like Transiberian Orchestra does. You could go see the Kiss show every couple years when it comes through your town... you could totally have a revolving cast of musicians... they're all dressed up in costumes so it doesn't really matter who the musicians are... it's a show!
Paul and Gene just need to hang up the costumes and go away!!!
There's no way I see a KISS without Gene and Paul. The whole future replacement thing was just to continue to justify the Ace and Peter makeup fiasco.
I was skeptical about the ABBA avatar tour but apparently people loved it it. Some people are easily pleased.
ABBA had been out of action for 40 years though. I don't see why these two can't just retire. Their heyday is well over.
@@Ron-wf5ywThey are retiring.
@@garrypeak4277 oh i meant and leave it at that.
Only thing I could get behind at this point would be some sort of reunion of the "Revenge"/"COS" lineup. Do a few shows in street clothes and concentrate on non-makeup years. Maybe do another album in the "Revenge" mold.
I’ll pay for that. No question.
Hey Martin.... what sort of animal makeup was Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer supposed to have? Will it be in your book?
It’s from the same people that do the Abba one in London, and that looks tremendous. I have some friends in England that were very sceptical, but they went and had a ball and have been a few times.
The Abba ones look 1000% better than those CGI things we saw. They look incredible, the Abba ones. The Kiss ones, I think those are a long way from what the finished product will be.
I get what Martin is saying, but this isn’t aimed at us dudes that are in our mid 50s. We’ve been with the band for most of our lives. This is the same as the Abba thing in that it’s for the casual fan and the younger generation that never got to experience the big show. And I think this will be pushed as a Kiss concert experience. We are never going to get another one in the flesh.
I’m happy for it to end here. With all these ideas they should do this, or do that, the one thing that seems to be discounted. They may just want to retire. They’ll never want for money. Gene is 75 next year. He’s said numerous times the last year, he’s tired. They’ve given us 50 years. Surely that’s enough.
Again, I’m going with what I see with my eyes, and what people have told me that have been to the Abba one. If it’s as good as that, I’m 100% down. This stuff has come a long way since the Dio hologram.
I think another thing that would be cool is to see a bunch of guitarists influenced by Ace come in and do some original songs with KISS, guys that love KISS: Richie Ranno, Jay Jay French, Marty Friedman, Satch, CC Deville, Paul Gilbert, Slash, David Sabo. Do an album with Rik Emmett or Andy Scott--would be awesome. Just trying to keep the ideas going.
kiss haven't cared about the real fans for over 20 years, this is for the casual and the next generation of fan, not for us.
They already did 'Kiss : Immortals' in 2000 with Ace & Peter, with even worse dated CGI, it was a basic choose-your-own-adventure type game for PC format. Peter even had the same levitating drum discs hovering around him as Eric did in the new 'Immortalized' trailer. Kiss will never do another studio album of new material in today's climate, that's pure pipedreaming. It's time to let it go, man. We'll always have the memories & the songs.
they just need to retire. all things have to end.
They're not going to waste their money on things they won't have a chance to make money on.
Why can’t they just disappear for good? They already overstayed their welcome anyway. All that avatars and immortality stuff is lame.
At this point, AI could probably do better new KISS songs than Stanley and Simmons can do. Pull the plug and let us go on our memories, records, recordings ect. We do not need anything new from KISS. It's over, and been over since 2001.
Definitely it's been over since 20 years
Some would argue it ended in 1977
Paul can't sing anymore. Plain and simple. That's why they won't do another album. Paul has said "no" forever now. 90% of their setlist is from the 'Original 4 era'. Paul was reduced to lip-synching and all of that and that is no longer a live and functioning band. That's a performance. They should have ended years ago in my view, but they were doing well at the concerts, just not for me. But I'm glad it's over.
Gene & Paul have it more than apparent since Monster has come out that they don’t ever wanna make another album or write another new KISS song. Gene says it’s because of streaming and piracy and Paul says the fans don’t want to hear new music. My guess is that one day and probably one day soon, the new virtual band will be able to write new songs and henceforth put out new music.
Likewise, I can't foresee what the avatar is supposed to be. However I am interested to see where they take it, although I am highly unlikely to pay for anything to do with avatars
Martin, you're on the money.
A studio version of Pumpkins United. Like you say, get Peter to sing. No need to tour this united. A studio band of Paul, Gene, Ace, Peter, Tommy, Eric and Bruce. No need to get them in the same studio or together. Session musicians and song doctors are even acceptable. Get it produced by Bob Ezrin.
The avatar thing seems to lack authenticity.
Ugh, just when I thought we wouldn't have to hear about Kiss anymore, avatars
Although, they are so money hungry and fame needy. if this doesn't work they will come up with a new angle to siphon money out of people 😂
Lol😂
Exactly
Gene and Paul milk every last Nickel from this these Shameless Money Grubbing Hoes
Wow. Those Avatars are terrible. Looks like something that would have been modern for Pyscho Circus. Its funny. I watched a "Highlights from the MSG show" it was only 26 min long. I found myself so bored I was fast forwarding through it. Fan since 8 in '78
Solid KISS fan since 1975. I'm interested in seeing where the avatar thing goes.
Looks like the cheap AI avatar idea is already dead-in-the-water for fans. A rather anti-climactic end to 50 years of grand rock and roll. I would pay $125 to see a KISS 2.0 show with real human beings playing KISS songs I've never heard live before. The fake AI avatar stuff I would pass on a $10 ticket for a Sunday matinee.
I would rather watch Phantom of the Park over and over again, instead of avatars, lol😂
May be they could do Music from The Elder 2 ?
Myles Goodwyn passed away
RIP
What we need is more box sets not this BS
What a joke!!! I’m done with Kiss that show was a disappointment, same show the whole tour , seen them twice on this tour same both times . Same boring setlist . Swapped tears are falling with making love !! No acknowledging the past members of Kiss -Eric Carr Vinny Vincent mark St. John
Bruce Kullick . No thank you at all .. very dissatisfied with the way you ended it!! Been a kiss fan since I was 12 but it’s time good riddance!!
I echo your sentiments Ralph.... such a wasted opportunity to bow out in a distinguished manner. However, the last twenty years they've just been going through the motions and collecting a paycheque. Sad.
No mention of Eric Carr….what douches… let alone Peter , Ace …Bruce ,vinnie and mark all deserve a shout out as well.
The book Martin has out is great!
NO ONE wants the Kiss avatars. No humanity to them. None whatsoever. Music is what connects people, looking for that human to human connection. Computer graphics passed off as a concert entertainment entity , no thanks, not today not ever.
Paul's voice is sadly in no condition to do another album, sad as it is. Though I wish they could pull a beatles move.
No humanity to them...... that's the point. KISS aren't supposed to be seen as human. They're supposed to be seen as larger than life comic book characters/super heroes.
I think they should let the band Klassic 78 take over for them. They write better Kiss songs than Kiss has since the seventies.
they definitely nailed the feel of 70s kiss!
The Avatars thing is so horrible and cheesy, but it will appeal to the die hard average type of Kiss fans who just say yes to everything Kiss does and think they are the best band ever, they are the type of people who think wrestling and nascar racing are high forms of entertainment, so this will be right up their alley.
I'd love a new studio album, but we all know there are too many "fans" who would just bitch about: A) "Tommy and Eric aren't Ace and Peter! Waaah!" and: B) "Everything they've done since Love Gun sucks!" So I get why they don't really feel like rushing into a recording studio for that nonsense.
I don’t mind the idea of the characters/band living on past the lives of the members. I’d love one more studio album
Avatars for immortality? Uh, that's what the thousands of KISS videos will provide. I just can't wrap my head around anyone wanting to see an animated KISS concert. I've been a fan since you could walk with them down the street, while they were hoping many of the local high school kids would show up for a concert. Bought all the ALBUMS. No CD's, No digital downloads. Big plastic platters. KISS Alive on LP is just magical to listen to. I've aged with them. I understand. Dying hair is just getting old. 7 inch leather heels, once theatrical, is now a life and limb decision. The money will always be there. Paul is wrong. Bands don't go on forever. Today, KISS was ONCE a band. The end of live performances turns a band into studio musicians should they put something else out. The fans die when the band dissolves and they simply become listeners. The hottest band in the world has been put to rest.
The 50th anniversary of the debut is 2024. How about a deluxe edition with all the Eddie Kramer demos and some live stuff? Also how about giving us more Off The Soundboard stuff from different eras? I'm fine with that.
The Avatars look like bad graphics from a 2005 video game. The only way I see this working is like a Vegas attraction or something
lets be real, the game graphics look like 2016 at least! lets give them that!
@@thecontrarians2438 ok fair enough
KISS has been a Broadway show for more than 20 years. Everything choreographed to an inch of its life. Same set list every tour, no surprises. Even replacement members wearing the same makeup as the original guys! I agree Martin, the sky is the limit, but Paul and Gene will never be truly honest in interviews because it’s all about protecting the brand no matter what.
In my 30s now, have been a Kiss fan since childhood. I have a wild idea for Kiss. How about retiring? I know it's a crazy concept but how about having some dignity and leaving their musical legacy be?
People who aren't rock and metal fans always think this sort of music is silly and dumb. With Motley and Leppard on the we can't play anymore tour and now Kiss doing the here is a concert without us but still the same price tour coming to a town near you.Its embarrassing and getting harder to defend the music I love . Next, it will be Aerosmith on the 30-year goodbye tour, and the bloody Stones need to pack it up too.Its not helping .Let the new bands take over, please, Rival Sons GVF and Dirty Honey, just to name a few
We don’t want video game KISS!
New music, is your best bet
Video game KISS is better than current KISS. Why would you want new music from Gene and Paul when they clearly can't sing anymore?
a mew kiss album would be a mess for a few reason. first, I saw an interview a year or so that Paul stated that he can't imagine writing any new songs plus the other factor is that his vocals are shot. they have decided to retire from touring like Elton John has decided he is done with traveling, same with Ted Nugent. he has complained that he is sick of staying at hotels. doing one last album with Ace, Peter, Bruce, Eric, and Tommy contribute but the problem is Paul has been very vocal about Ace and Peter. Gene is the same. they have admitted without Pete and Ace kiss would not existed but would not want to work with them again. kind of what Styx had said. well, what JT Young of Styx have said. he has gone on in a interview a few year ago on Dan Rather's Big Interview that he never want to ever work with Dennis again.
the point I'm making. Kiss want to continue as a brand instead of a band.
My first thought was , "oh god its Kiss Meets the Phantom" movie thing....oh boy....got to give it to them though, their trying different things...but I don't think this will stick. Its been 50 years, I think we are good and we get it. As a fan for almost 40 years, Im good and the most important thing for me is the music that they put out over the years. Without the song you have nothing no matter how cool the look or stage show. Crap songs is crap songs. Kiss hit and miss on songs too but when you look at the catalogue the 80/20 principle works really well. 20% of the songs in their catalogue are classic all the way. Remember the music will always continue no matter what form as oppose to the merchandise and other fun things they came up with and plus Im a musician so my focus was on their songs anyways!
The avatars are of Tommy and Eric 🤦♂️! Should be of an era that fans want! I’m guessing it involves money! Paul and Gene get Tommy and Eric for basically free lol! Definitely agree about the new album; if it is with Ace and Peter! I’ve said all along they don’t have to be in the same room to make an album! Email tracks back and forth! Easily done! Great idea Martin!
I frankly agree with the idea that the Kiss Avatar concerts is a dumb idea as I think a concert is more genuine when it's all musical instruments played by live, flesh and blood human beings regardless of who the band or musician is Kiss or otherwise and not 3D cartoon characters who look like they got ripped from a videogame from 20 to 25 years ago!
Perhaps they should just retire.
How much money can they need ?
They really can’t sing and haven’t been able to in years.
I saw part of their show a couple of years ago.
They were pretty poor.
If they want money have a couple hundred f official tribute bands using the KISS clothes and stage shows. These are effective for Genesis and Pink Floyd. Although they may not be official but use the costumes etc.
But to be fair never saw the appeal of KISS, they are alright.
They can't write. How about they just stop?
Thinks the Avatars morphing in a live band or creating a live Elder story and surprise the fans at each stop.
Hi. with the greatest of respect, a "book-tour" type of event is all about looking backwards and celebrating the past.
I believe that what Doc and the guys are doing is looking to the future. I have already seen the past. I lived it as a fan for over 40 years. I want new things and new projects. Not nostalgia for the past. I am looking forward to see what they cook up :)
Maybe KISS can reboot the Kiss Meets the Phantom movie 😂😂😂
Paul and Gene are in their 70's and financially wealthy. There is no reason for them to make new music or go on spoken word tours. I imagine the avatar thing is going to be like a modern (and super expensive) version of the old "laser shows" (like Laser Pink Floyd and Led Zep). It could be worse. Just be glad there isn't a KISS themed Cirque Du Soleil show in the works.
Why? Just why? I had my fill of Kiss after Alive 2. Just go to the home already.
I think they'll realise that this avatar thing won't be cost effective and we'll notch it off as a failed endeavor. Last thing I want to see is a Toomy Thayer avatar. I'm in favor of pro-shot shows for theatrical releases.
I don't think the demand for new music by any of these legacy acts or their remnants is in demand or will ever go over into any degree of real success.New Mick Mars and new ACE, neither are exactly chart toppers. Both just kinda....meh. I went to a Doobie Brothers concert last summer. Everyone was up singing along having a great time. Then one of them said "here's a new song!" The crowd got noticeably quite. People sat down, walked off the use the restroom or to get food or drinks. There were even some near me just yelling at the band to play their older music and everything going on on the stage seemed forced. I find it quite self-effacing of Gene and Paul to understand that not many people would listen to it more than once or twice and sales wouldn't even get them back in the black. I think this is evident when Kiss plays "Say Yeah" and to a degree even "Psycho Circus." It's okay but most people are just nodding along wishing they had dropped those songs and put in "Strutter!"
Kiss obviously never learns from Their own History. They've almost repeated everything from the members not playing on the records & leaving the band, to listening to the wrong people. Now they're a video game band? How bad is kiss meets the phantom or the elder now, right? Being a kiss fan is like being in a relationship with a Liar, Cheater, Fake & Manipulator. When You know the Truth, You're Very Disappointed and Heartbroken.💔 F THEM!
The avatar thing would fly if they were to approach it with a sense of realism. The direction taken with the current iteration looks too Macfarlane-esque and Guitar hero-ish. Rather they should try to re-create 70's era KISS with an authentic nod at replicating a live concert experience in all it's glory. If they want this new era of Kiss to appeal to a new generation of youth, they should redirect their focus on entering the gaming (streaming) industries or virtual reality gaming consoles (licensing deals). But for an avatar "concert experience" they need something more substantive, so by brandishing their own authentic selves into their avatars in the prime of their youth, the concert alone would have universal appeal.
They are using the same group behind the "ABBA Voyage" show, which I saw in London...it's an amazing experience...keep an open mind
The vapid people who bought ABBA records in the 1970s are the same vapid people who would pay to watch a cartoon ABBA. Some people pay other people to kick them in the testicles. That's not what most people are into, though, and most KISS fans are not into paying $200 to watch a videogame iteration of KISS. This is mindless, soulless, AI-generated consumerism. Do not think, just consume and obey.
Martin, I think it`s time to let the Kiss output go. I feel it would be far more exciting to put some effort and energy into getting Crown Lands a popular place in this nutty rock `n roll world.
crown Lands is a cool band for sure! can’t deny the popularity of Kiss though and all the discussion going. around it’s a hot news item
I laughed when they made a comic book, lunch boxes, underwear, pinball machines, toothbrushes, action figures and even coffins and on and on...the masters of merchandise! I don't doubt anything they do. Rock on🤟
Avatars are the future for old bands and music unfortunately. They already have the blind die hard fans so I don’t see them caring that much about avatars as long as they see the flashy cartoons. I don’t feel like it will be something that’s gonna sell forever like they might hope.
Why another album?
Sonic Boom was boring and Monster just a little better.
They don't have a lot of years left to do all these ideas in, time's running out which is why they should've stopped well over a decade ago and done new interesting things then.
They are mid 70's putting on make up. Gene performed with a kidney stone ready to come out. Have Tommy and Eric look for replacement for Gene and Paul. It's not the same but it hasn't been since Ace and Peter have left anyway. Kiss holograms is where this is going. We don't need a hologram of Tommy and Eric, they are still fairly young and have quite a few more years left. This is about Gene and Paul sadly.
Fairly young? Eric's 70 next year.
Except for the extreme die hards who would fork over $2000 for Gene's jock strap, no one is going to spend $$ on KISS holograms or avatars.
I would
They could have the Hellacopters, Dregan, Wildhearts, Jet, Backyard Babies,etc write them an album and make them sign NDAs,
It'd frankly be cool to hear them do covers of their big influences, like Slade and Free. Heavy up the guitars, and with those voices--they'd be better than the originals. Do Free-Fire and Water, Slade-Whatever Happened to Slade?, and MC5-Kick Out the jams. It'd be awesome.
One of our greatest living rock writers. (Along with Ken Mackyntire)
Might as well have phony visuals as they have had phony vocals for years. Time for them to let it go and fade away.
loved martin popoff ever since he starred in the film up as Carl Fredricksen
The avatar thing would be good for a video game. ⚡⚡
I saw KISS IN 76 and 77 when I was 15 and 16. I bought the next 3 or 4 Albums after Alive but I grew out of them. Ive been learning Aces sos from Alive this year but anything after that doesnt hold up in my opinion. Alive though still legit
I see all kinds of comments on how Kiss doing avatar and how its so stupid . But if this was any other band it would be a great idea . And as far as them coming out with a new CD why everyone complains on how Paul cant sing any more . If anyone thinks that Kiss will come out with new music and Paul not doing any songs is wrong.