It's astonishing how consistently chat comes up with the worst suggestions. I saw multiple people advocating for little mac who would've been arguably the worst pick in the entire roster
i was thinking the same thing, i wonder how many people are thinking the "little mac worst recovery" joke is still funny and how many are just dumbasses
I'm no expert on this and I might be wrong, but ironically I think Kirby, despite having multiple jumps, would be worse than Mac. From what I imagine with Kirby every single hit kills you because you just get blown away. I don't know if you can maybe super armor through the arrows with Mac neutral B or have a realistic chance of killing them with Mac, but he at least has a very fast run speed and his side B has horizontal burst movement, which probably makes his survivability better than Kirby's in this.
@@SinceroOdio At least with Mac it'll end faster thanks to his bad recovery. Kirby I feel would extend the annoyance with his multiple jumps and floaty-ness.
@@DPSalt64 Kirby's air drift and jumps are literally the main reason he isn't good. He has good combos. Decent specials and kill power. But as soon as he leaves the ground, the only thing he has going for him are his aerials, because nothing else works.
The bad suggestions are kirby and ganon, little mac can actually outrun the wind speed but this match up is genuinely terrible for it. Kirby will fly off stage the moment he jumps, and same with ganon.
Zelda is the optimal cheese character for this spirit rather than Lucas. She can neutral getup, neutral b, up b back to ledge, rinse and repeat, then kill with final smash next to the left blast zone. It's not 100% foolproof and takes forever, but it's the most consistent strat.
@@cullenhutchison6528 this was the strat i ended up using in my own spirit/skill tree-less run a long while back (except i used neutral b more offensively than what you mentioned), it honestly works quite well as long as you’re able to survive until final smash, which isn’t too difficult with neutral b
9:22 I gotta agree with Nairo, Pit Dair sweet spot is not that far up to the left 🤦🏾♂️ 13:08 STAY BACK🗣️‼️ 20:35 damn 20:40 DAYUM 24:47 YOOOOOOOO???? 32:47 I would’ve called it a night 42:17 Pop off‼️
I will concede that I was wrong about the strategy on this. The first guide for spiritless no skill tree WOL that I found on YT used Ganon neutral b armor and pause buffering to beat this fight but it took the guy 18 hours. The DK strat is significantly better than any other method around for dealing with wind effect spirit battles. I got unfathomably lucky to do this with a Chrom up b double kill right at the beginning as wind just started from ledge. The DK method absolutely is the best and I will hold that L even though I insisted in chat that the Ganon method was the way forward. Edit: for anyone wanting to try WOL spiritless no perks, the only viable characters I can see this spirit, and those like it, being possible with are Chrom (if you're insanely lucky with up b), Hero (if you're also insanely lucky with thwack), Ganon (abusing armor but don't bother imo), Lucas (final smash) and Donkey Kong (strat shown here). Best picks are definitely DK and Lucas, and even then this spirit, and entire challenge, is insanely difficult and easily one of the hardest things I've ever achieved in smash.
My best method for dealing with this spirit is actually using Zelda. For whatever reason, her special moves have her ignore wind for their duration (particular of note is neutral, up, and side specials). So my method ended up doing this spirit ended up being: neutral ledge getup -> neutral B (slips off the stage) -> up B to ledge -> neutral ledge getup -> neutral B -> up B to ledge... rinse repeat. Eventually, this will fill up my final smash and I am able to kill them off the side blastzone with this, but eventually the neutral B will start to have kill power vs them. Does it make the fight trivial? No, cause the Pit AI can and will absolutely troll you in a moment's notice. This is the most consistent way I have been able to beat them, usually taking up to 15-20 minutes tops. I similarly use Zelda for Shanoa as well, as this method is good in evading her final smash, and it is possible to gimp Bayo's recovery with Zelda's special moves. Those are the only two wind fights I use Zelda for though; I use other characters for the other wind fights.
There is also pkmn trainer, squirtle sideb ignores wind so just spam it, get final smash, go to right ledge, and cheese both cpus. Still took a bit, but was significantly easier than any other strats.
@@mariomenace2850 That is a viable strat but it's very inconsistent due to the fact that you can be hit backwards in withdraw and end up dying to the wind offstage, or you can get footstooled and die from that. You saw Nairo try that briefly then give up instantly on it lmao
@@yourlocalraccoondealer8611 true lol, I found it more pleasing than playing DK and getting repeatedly shot at. At least its not Whispy Woods, that spirit can take a long walk off a short pier
Don’t be fooled. This is how the Level 9 Pit CPU normally behaves. Edit: Goddamn he stayed up until 4:30 AM to beat that spirit?! Do we call that dedication or stubbornness?
I was there..... this spirit took so long. I felt like many of the chat wanted to get it over with as well after making fun of Nairo several times.... and now they started the freaking recommendations....
Can still remember telling this man to play Meta Knight live on stream and then bro just got pissed off immediately. He found a way to do it but at the same time now I enjoy how he's still able to still get screwed over
Forty minutes of pain and suffering, only for the last three to be of absolute relief. Never liked wind as a hazard, never liked any hazards. Well played Nairo
I've waited so long for this one. Easily one of the funniest World of Light streams I watched live given how enraging the CPUs were. That parry into F smash had me rolling 😂
I’m 9 minutes in when Nairo says “five attempts or less” without having seen the total time and looked ahead to notice this video is 43 minutes long. I don’t think he made it in five or less…
I did a spiritless run waaay back when the game first game out after you did your first run THEN I did another one again this year while you were doing yours and oh my god this spirit is so much worse without skill tree too. holy shit. I was genuinely trying for like 5 hours one night just because I didn't want to go to bed unsatisfied but GOD was it worth it. incredibly painful never again (cope)
32:50 him saying the battle ruined the night and then a random motion sensor bomb falling off the edge killed me for some reason i didn't even know items spawned
I did this challenge probably like a year and a half- 2 years ago, and I also struggled HARD with this stage. The stage that got me the second closest to quitting the challenge.
As a previous melee Marth main, nairo's comparison is completely accurate Also, when I saw this was a 40+ minute video: *grabs popcorn* this gon be good I also love how when nairo beats these spirits with sometimes admittedly repetitive strategies, chat will say "gimmick", as if spirits themselves are not by their definition gimmicks
37:53 extremely reasonable crash out tbh
42:17 That was unironically the most genuine popoff I've seen from Nairo in a while.
It's astonishing how consistently chat comes up with the worst suggestions. I saw multiple people advocating for little mac who would've been arguably the worst pick in the entire roster
i was thinking the same thing, i wonder how many people are thinking the "little mac worst recovery" joke is still funny and how many are just dumbasses
I'm no expert on this and I might be wrong, but ironically I think Kirby, despite having multiple jumps, would be worse than Mac. From what I imagine with Kirby every single hit kills you because you just get blown away. I don't know if you can maybe super armor through the arrows with Mac neutral B or have a realistic chance of killing them with Mac, but he at least has a very fast run speed and his side B has horizontal burst movement, which probably makes his survivability better than Kirby's in this.
@@SinceroOdio At least with Mac it'll end faster thanks to his bad recovery. Kirby I feel would extend the annoyance with his multiple jumps and floaty-ness.
@@DPSalt64 Kirby's air drift and jumps are literally the main reason he isn't good. He has good combos. Decent specials and kill power. But as soon as he leaves the ground, the only thing he has going for him are his aerials, because nothing else works.
The bad suggestions are kirby and ganon, little mac can actually outrun the wind speed but this match up is genuinely terrible for it. Kirby will fly off stage the moment he jumps, and same with ganon.
13:10 The "stay back" that was heard around the world...that was TRAGIC lmaoooo
Even dk was flabbergasted
Tragic....TRAGIC! (Wonder who'll get that reference)
Ayo edits were peak, i really liked the AI reaction time math thing at 6:44
Huge props to the editor 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
this how it felt facing Takumi in pre-skill inheritance FEH
OGs remember
Dead ass tho. Takumi, Ryoma, and Hector were the meta at one point.
FEH was fun for what it was. I enjoyed the chibi sprites.
knew I'd find this comment the moment I saw the thumbnail
Hoshidans in general were just good, they were like RNG gods
2:25
Takumi didnt just delay his jump, he delayed the end of the video by 42 minutes
I love how the chat was gassing up lucas for 2 hours just for nairo to do 3 tries with him and go "nope".
Zelda is the optimal cheese character for this spirit rather than Lucas. She can neutral getup, neutral b, up b back to ledge, rinse and repeat, then kill with final smash next to the left blast zone. It's not 100% foolproof and takes forever, but it's the most consistent strat.
@@cullenhutchison6528show us the footage of it working and i'll believe you 😂
@@cullenhutchison6528 this was the strat i ended up using in my own spirit/skill tree-less run a long while back (except i used neutral b more offensively than what you mentioned), it honestly works quite well as long as you’re able to survive until final smash, which isn’t too difficult with neutral b
8:44 peak editing. He really made that sound
FRR LMFAOO THAT KILLED ME
I literally had the video playing on the side without looking at it and I was like lol that sounded like the ed edd n eddy intro
ITS FINALLY HERE THE BIGGEST MALD OF THE PLAYTHROUGH
How can chat be both the biggest trolls and the biggest BOTS I’ve ever seen? You can’t call a top player “little bro” and then suggest he use MAC
Watching this entire saga start to finish live was crazy. Even 8 months later I still hear that pit arrow spam...
It's funny how months later Nairo has purged this from his mind but the Sheriff still haunts him
33:44
One of the most disrespectful 2v1 off stage kills ive seen in a while 😂
Takumi during launch FEH
Back when skill inheritance didnt exist and he was 1 of 2 units that could counter at 1-2 range
Never forget
“Thanks, Samurai” was OD 🤣🤣
The tears in my eyes watching Nairo tweak out about chat. Funniest shit ever
14:26 how teachers look at you after saying “ill wait”
The triple dash attack while pit was watching was crazy tho
Showcasing the reaction time with the math was hilarious. Good job editor
16:13 Nairo recognizes the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid decision, he's elected to ignore it.
10:31 I’m fucking crying yo 😭😭😭
9:22 I gotta agree with Nairo, Pit Dair sweet spot is not that far up to the left 🤦🏾♂️
13:08 STAY BACK🗣️‼️
20:35 damn
20:40 DAYUM
24:47 YOOOOOOOO????
32:47 I would’ve called it a night
42:17 Pop off‼️
That’s because the Dair hit DK’s hand.
Bro said “one more time” for almost 2 hours 😂😂
Didn't think I would be watching 40+mins of this.... but here we are
10:30 why he staring into his soul like that?!😂😂😂😂
The reaction time analysis was fucking sick, thanks editor!
12:10 edit is clean asf
The chat is actually dumb as hell😂😅... no way they thought Kaklang, Ganon, and Game & Watch were going to do something
Backseat gaming
And mods didn't do anything against them
the moment i saw the arrow spam in the beginning i knew it was done 😂
Wow the editor really cooked on this one. Props to him!
i love the feh comments because man i hated takumi in early feh
and fates tbh, the double takumi boss is annoying af lmao
The only thing keeping me going in that double Takumi fight was the music. End of All is such a good song.
@@Sancneaagreed, i love that song
There is a reason why EVERYONE warp skips that map
@@tristanbowles7258 Lunatic yes. But it is a really fun map to play in hard.
The dusty interactions were so funny.
editing is fire on this one 🔥
nearly a quarter til an hour, after editing, is insane.
The power of positivity really is something!
10:58 is fuckin killin me 💀
I will concede that I was wrong about the strategy on this. The first guide for spiritless no skill tree WOL that I found on YT used Ganon neutral b armor and pause buffering to beat this fight but it took the guy 18 hours. The DK strat is significantly better than any other method around for dealing with wind effect spirit battles. I got unfathomably lucky to do this with a Chrom up b double kill right at the beginning as wind just started from ledge. The DK method absolutely is the best and I will hold that L even though I insisted in chat that the Ganon method was the way forward.
Edit: for anyone wanting to try WOL spiritless no perks, the only viable characters I can see this spirit, and those like it, being possible with are Chrom (if you're insanely lucky with up b), Hero (if you're also insanely lucky with thwack), Ganon (abusing armor but don't bother imo), Lucas (final smash) and Donkey Kong (strat shown here). Best picks are definitely DK and Lucas, and even then this spirit, and entire challenge, is insanely difficult and easily one of the hardest things I've ever achieved in smash.
There's a video where Zelda could do it too and I remember the chat was trying to show Nairo, but Nairo was so heated. He didn't want to see it
My best method for dealing with this spirit is actually using Zelda. For whatever reason, her special moves have her ignore wind for their duration (particular of note is neutral, up, and side specials). So my method ended up doing this spirit ended up being: neutral ledge getup -> neutral B (slips off the stage) -> up B to ledge -> neutral ledge getup -> neutral B -> up B to ledge... rinse repeat.
Eventually, this will fill up my final smash and I am able to kill them off the side blastzone with this, but eventually the neutral B will start to have kill power vs them.
Does it make the fight trivial? No, cause the Pit AI can and will absolutely troll you in a moment's notice. This is the most consistent way I have been able to beat them, usually taking up to 15-20 minutes tops.
I similarly use Zelda for Shanoa as well, as this method is good in evading her final smash, and it is possible to gimp Bayo's recovery with Zelda's special moves. Those are the only two wind fights I use Zelda for though; I use other characters for the other wind fights.
There is also pkmn trainer, squirtle sideb ignores wind so just spam it, get final smash, go to right ledge, and cheese both cpus. Still took a bit, but was significantly easier than any other strats.
@@mariomenace2850 That is a viable strat but it's very inconsistent due to the fact that you can be hit backwards in withdraw and end up dying to the wind offstage, or you can get footstooled and die from that. You saw Nairo try that briefly then give up instantly on it lmao
@@yourlocalraccoondealer8611 true lol, I found it more pleasing than playing DK and getting repeatedly shot at. At least its not Whispy Woods, that spirit can take a long walk off a short pier
Don’t be fooled. This is how the Level 9 Pit CPU normally behaves.
Edit: Goddamn he stayed up until 4:30 AM to beat that spirit?! Do we call that dedication or stubbornness?
we call that positivity.
oh i was like 9 minutes into the video and realized it was a 40 minute video and said “surely he beats it and the rest is highlights”
ohh
This entire video be like: Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?
36:03 "And I know you guys are used to giving up-" *gives up after getting tapped* "-because you're not good!"
That hippo really got to him am i right fellas
Fire Hippopotamus
That Nasty Patty was making him sick fr
yup
Nairo Wolrd of Light content is rewatchable peak content
7:49 bro that has to be the fastest quit in the universe
I was there..... this spirit took so long. I felt like many of the chat wanted to get it over with as well after making fun of Nairo several times.... and now they started the freaking recommendations....
Can still remember telling this man to play Meta Knight live on stream and then bro just got pissed off immediately. He found a way to do it but at the same time now I enjoy how he's still able to still get screwed over
Forty minutes of pain and suffering, only for the last three to be of absolute relief.
Never liked wind as a hazard, never liked any hazards. Well played Nairo
I love how the chat was hyping up Lucas and Ganon like they were smoking guns, only for them to die instantly by one or two hits and the wind 😂😂😂
These dudes sweeping dronefest fr
this chat fr doesnt even play smash because those suggestions are absolutely garbage LMAOOO
15:28 lmao the fitting tekken tag 2 music with the DK explanation
These editors cooked oh my goodness
I've waited so long for this one. Easily one of the funniest World of Light streams I watched live given how enraging the CPUs were. That parry into F smash had me rolling 😂
Chat really thinks they're better, huh?
Given Nairo's complaints about his chat, I'm glad I never take part in it. It's mindblowing how dumb those comments are.
Everyone traumatised by Takumi in FEH lmao (I feel you)
2 hours is insane, could not be me i would never have this dedication
Path of pain in the background is fitting
This is insanely difficult lmao
Nairo's patience with chat is definitely still top level in Smash lmao
2:55 when he realizes the pains he’s going to have to endure after choking the first 1v1 😂
I’m 9 minutes in when Nairo says “five attempts or less” without having seen the total time and looked ahead to notice this video is 43 minutes long. I don’t think he made it in five or less…
he might five hundred or less 🙏🏾
Thats my GOAT, never giving up
Fates stream would be HYPE too with that kind of rng
22:27 Lmao That Crazy 😂😂😂😂 22:34 what going on here 🤓
I didn't think the whole 43min video would actually be this 😂
10:29 he's just standing there... MENACINGLY!!!
I did a spiritless run waaay back when the game first game out after you did your first run
THEN I did another one again this year while you were doing yours and oh my god this spirit is so much worse without skill tree too. holy shit.
I was genuinely trying for like 5 hours one night just because I didn't want to go to bed unsatisfied but GOD was it worth it. incredibly painful never again (cope)
32:50 him saying the battle ruined the night and then a random motion sensor bomb falling off the edge killed me for some reason i didn't even know items spawned
Basically Conquest endgame
Takumi in base feh be like.
It always be the fire emblem characters
Seeing the turtle just slide off the map was to funny
I did this challenge probably like a year and a half- 2 years ago, and I also struggled HARD with this stage. The stage that got me the second closest to quitting the challenge.
How do you persevere through all that man 42:16 lmaoo my gawd. Congrats dawg
Shouldn’t have chosen Nohr Nairo
He's Nohrio now.
@@CrazyHand7894
Isn’t it just Nohro?
As a previous melee Marth main, nairo's comparison is completely accurate
Also, when I saw this was a 40+ minute video: *grabs popcorn* this gon be good
I also love how when nairo beats these spirits with sometimes admittedly repetitive strategies, chat will say "gimmick", as if spirits themselves are not by their definition gimmicks
This is a reenactment of fugas wild ride. Even the stage fits.
4:48 this was hilarious
36:47 Dude said "Click, take a pic".
Said he done by 4:30 got it done by 4:23, my goat forever
2 hours he's been on this; this is colorful at it's prime finest🤣🤣🤣.
20:10 is that KH2 music 👀
10:30 Geeked vs. Locked in
Some of these spirits feeling a little Elden ringy
Takumi in Fates is also toxic, so it checks out
It's crazy the main neutral was fighting offstage.
I fucking died 😂😂 @6:40
Around 18 minutes in is when i realized this video was 43 min long LMFAOOO
Fitting this is almost as frustrating as trying to non-cheese combat Evil Takumi on Conquest.
13:09 holy right now😂
Nah man you got the kids of today in your chat no wonder you get tight
The Pineapple Bro is too strong, accurate to early FEH at least.
Unc got that endurance
this is what base game Pit should be like. take notes soccerguy
This some serious type 2 fun
you hate to see high winds, but not me😂
FE Fates. I love that game. They really need to do the 2nd gen genetics experiments again.
Bro I had no idea Nairo was this funny
Good stuff!
Positivity
And people want hazards on Dreamland to be legal? Wind is an awful stage hazard.
see y’all at the game awards! cant wait to see what game wins! 😃