RIP FOX, Migs to 8.3, & More! - News & Updates - War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- The BR Changes for April is finally in, and with it comes a small amount of changes, though the list seems a bit too short given some of the new arrivals over the last 2 months!
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2S38 dodges another list
BMP2M?
It needs to be 11.0
@@PeterJ1851 leave the bmp2m alone, biggest class cannon in high tier, but please move the 2s38 to 10.7
BMP-2M isn't that good. LOL the 2S38, though, does anything. Kills tanks and air and survives so much BS
Nah BMP2M needs to go up to. The 1200mm pen missle that you can ripple fire needs to go up. They are beyond annoying.
2S38 ignored,
HSTVL no buffs from documents provided,
T80UD not moving up in BR,
Classic gaijin, although at least the french Roland 1 has a usecase now at 9.7 with the amx 40, 32s and the VBCI
Absolutly no russian bias..... right ?
Nah bmp2m and 2s38 super balanced at 10.0 they’re just so bad at 11.7 and barely get 5 kills
The HSTVL needs its god damn buffs cause it’s so weak right now. It needs the better reload, the proxy round and better post pen.
The HSTV-L was already mediorcre at best before the spall liner addition. Dart did almost no spalling against side armour. Flash-forward to spall liners being added, HSTV-L is beyond serviceable in its current state. You'd be better off scoutting enemies and letting them pass rather than shooting them because when you do, you will get absolutely get nothing short of a red ammo component or a tickled commander/loader.
2S38 still at 10.0 makes me wonder if its all for the 10.0 lineup that they have going on with the T-80UD and T-72AV. I guarantee it is, since its one of the strongest 'gold' lineups there is. Then again I gave up hope long ago for that thing since its the most obvious example of a cash grab. You'd think it would be very similar to HSTV-L in role, but in practice it is way more efficient and more intuitive to use.
T-80UD shouldn't even be a dicussion, it should be 10.7 at the very least. It has the armour protection of a 11.3 MBT and access to 3BM42 and has no thermals and a horrible gearbox, but its still the T-80 platform. I seriously doubt that Gaijin thinks the T-80B is better than the T-80UD, it just doesn't add up even with the Thermals Option. Can you imagine the dread of 9.0 vehicles trying to tickle the T-80UD? It's depressing, I tried spading my M60A3 and M60A1 RISE and it's absolutely atriocious to find anything other than lobbies filled with 10.0 premiums.
@@Idk-cz9ms were you high when you typed that?
They brought stuff like the f2 sabre to 8.7, yet planes like the F86K, Mystere IVA, F84F, Md452 IIC, Super mystere B2, etc are at the same br. They shouldve brought air brs to 13.3, and give some breathing room to the subsonics.
They just need to make it were planes have different brs for ground and air and increase air brs like you said
I can fight the Mig 15 bis in a spitfire wtf
@@elliot_12 gaijin snorting lines of coke. i love the mk24, buts its over for that thing now...
@@gangsterwafflesthe7th508mk22 match maker is a bit more forgiving compared to 7.0 I just fly that one instead tbh
Buhbuhbuhh… but that might increase the queue times by 30 seconds!
I play the Fox at 7.7 all the time and it still performs really well, its not gonna affect it as bad as you think
i still play it at 8.7 and it's still great, way more light vehicles to violate
you could play any br and it will be good, because 1. very good depression 2. good damage 3. can pen 95% of vehicles from the side 4. its one of the top 3 quickest ground vehicles in the game, correct me if im wrong.
dont know what gaijin was cooking when a 30mm apds does more damage than 76mm apfsds, but i guess.
The Fox, in fact, is NOT tired yet, boss. Not even really going to make much of a difference since people already use it at higher BRs against MBTs.
Where muh HSTV-Ls buffs Gaijoob
The difference is that barely anything can reliably deal with it below 7.0.
At least now it'll face more consistently tanks whose mobility/turret rotation/shell velocity isn't a$$.
@@jessymeowlight5660 Will certainly be interesting seeing fights between the first high tier AAs and Foxes
the fox will always be good no matter the BR, it's a proper rat vehicle, as for the Mig-15 however... that being able to see the spitfire in air RB is insane
The fox will be at a BR with other fast vehicles. It was too unfair to have the fox behind the heavy tanks 30 seconds into the match.
Those other lights within the BR are still a good bit slower than the Fox. Most average 60-70kmh if they have tracks. Fox is smokin at 90+. I still get to places before lights and catch them off guard in my 8.7 line up
@@shootkilldiePB other fast vehicles, which are weak and slower than the fox anyway. the br doesnt really affect the fox that much, but the rank increase i like. now i can play the fox again with optimal efficiency.
Yeah the mig is insane honestly. That thing is way too fast lmao
@@Goddoesnotexist5667not just that. It'll have energy retention that planes at 7.0 can only dream about.
How dare they touch the m18
They buffed the horsepower by a lot so yeah it’s def deserved
@@Optimusprime56241not on the black cat
@@scottgilmour1128 it’s probably gonna get it as well
I still get giggles out of the distinct memory of flanking super hard and blowing away a 2S38 from CQB in an open field after Halo ramping a hill and then gibbing a Type 90 after that.
It shouldn't historically as the Black Cat is an example of the earliest production of M18s that arrived on Europe. The uprated radial continental engine came about a little later for the M4/M4A1 and M18. This is also the reason why the M4 (105) w/ T26 Turret in-game has a 460hp radial engine.
And the totally not op 2s38 remains at 10.0
The tank has no armor at all. War thunder community is very whiny
@@Lucas-ul4vu exactly, and it survives most stupid things. 120mm apfsds in the face kills only 1 crew, no fuel detonation; invincible turret because you didnt hit 1 pixel of ammo; shots on the side usually go through without any damage because ammo is very low; can oneshot breach/gun of MBT; more pen than puma, 9040; has HE-VT, APCBC that oneshots MBTs from the side
@@juwii7718literally just machine gun it my guy. The entire thing is an ammo rack, it has 3 crew sat next to each other, it has no armor, and it can't win 90% of head on fights against any competent player. I'm still pissed I listened to the morons about it and payed even 30 dollars for it. It's not a good vehicle and that entire lineup still gets steam rolled constantly.
@@lt.lettuce2023 My tank : doesn't have any 50 cal
@@juwii7718 This is the fault of the physics, not the vehicle. Charge the company for fixing these problems and not for the nerf
bro raising the bmp1s and m18s is an absolute tragedy
I played the fox in 8.3 and still good, so no worries about the br change
Yeah, with the BR filled with mostly lightly armored tanks and vehicles, it won't affect its performance much
same. I'd rather play in 8.3 against light tanks/vehicles rather than play in 7.7 against heavy tanks. I'm kinda useless in that br
The fox being moved isn't a nerf, at 7.0 that gun was severely lacking with the higher chances of facing thick armor WW2 vehicles. Now at 7.7 you're more likely to face lighter armor MBTs and IFVs which the gun can engage.
What does the FOX say?
PEWPEWPEW
"You underestimate my power!!"
There is one sound nobody knows
Oh yeah rip to the fox 🦊🔪
" I'm getting uptiered! ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding "
7.7 won't be an issue at all for the Fox. Been using it in my 8.7 lineup and it still performs excellently at that BR. The only thing you really need to worry about is stabilized autocannon tanks but aside from that it'll do just fine.
8:46 this moment might have been the best advertisement for your streams
i knew they'd kick the fox up but SHEESH
also expected buffs to the jaguar IS
Kinda happy about the air and navel changes I only skimmed the br changes but I’m excited to see that the Improved Sabre and MiG-17s are now out of the all-aspect black hole.
Yeah but early jets become even worse now..
I am always surprised how little helicopters move around in BR
People still play helicopters? I can’t even grind against bots
@@Donkeymaster9000 oh yeah they’re busted as hell in Ground RB. Especially since everything (or almost now) gets stock ATGMs now (that gets ATGMs)
I just struggled through atock mig 21bis sau with r13s and r3s at 11.0 ....and now they get r60mks stock...
So more WW2 era vehicles facing Cold War era killing machines
how the blazes did that Leopard not see a bright orange T-80???? must have camos turned off or something
That’s an option?!
Yea you can turn off fantasy camo. It wont affect 3D Stuff like Bushes.
Settings > Settings [Navigation] > Individualising of Vehicles > Show in Battle [Exclude Fictional]
Settings might be Named a little different as I translated my Settings from German :)
The Korean War planes are really underlooked when it comes to br’s
I was afrade you made us dont see the nuke drop at the end there 😮
Now the line up for rats is doubled haha eland mk7 + fox, coupled with like the fv4202. Still a lot of fun I’d expect
nobody talks about undertiered vidar or saab 105 with CCIP at 8.3?
Finally the Swedish IKV 91 is going up in BR!! That thing is way to advanced to be vs Tiger 2s and Pershing’s!!!!! My goodness great change!!!!
So after having a look at the list the only thing i really care about is the eugen going down to 5.7, shes already absolutely amazing, now she'll probably be on the border of op
3:45 I didnt even get to play it at 7.0 😢
But why Maus BR? Now it’s just facing T-55AM-1 and getting doomed, plus Gepards yay
Finally i can enjoy playing sabres again now having to fight less ir missiles
MiG and Sabre days are coming back!!!! Wooooo
@@Donkeymaster9000now the 262s get to suffer against MiG 15s every single game
@@Sebmundo but the 262 is better then the MiG-15, better guns, some have boosters and they got 2 engines. If anything the 262 needs to go up 1.0 a whole BR
@@Donkeymaster9000 yeah your not getting me with that bucko
@@Sebmundo dang, thought i could pull a fast one. At least the yak-23 isn’t going down in BR, that was broken to the level of GR1 harrier
Prinz Eugen and Admiral Hipper going back down to 5.7 is HUGE and I`m extremely happy they revert their last changes. It was such a fun to get into 4.7 matches 90% of the time, but with those ships sitting at 6.0 you 90% of the time got into 7.0 matches.
Why are they moving the 1941 t-34's to 4.0 when the panzer 4h is still at 3.7
can we just get some ground decompression gaijin.
I dont think an ariete is at the same level as a Leopard 2A7V
Alpha jet with CCIP on 8.7 Is hell for ground player, even more worse when getting down br on 7.7. I believe it could go up in BR considering it has countermeasures
Only the German one got CM.
No one talking about what happened here: 8:47 ???
Yeah I agree like what was that.
When will new cycle event arrive?
Tbh I was worried the Fox hate would push it to 8.0, but 7.7 is where I play it already lol
Mr Justin can you play the M18 hellcat on 6.0 to see how good your skills are
Yuh i kinda called that the fox gon get uptiered
I just want EC with planes with realistic settings lol
Kinda confused on the mig17as not going down
I almost always play the Fox at 7.7, its still great at that BR
4:08 British Fox users are going to slowly experience the same situation as the Type-87 RCV users. That thing used to be 7.7 now its 9.0 goddamn
fox will struggle at 9.0 with its rof
Me when full mod F-1 almost 1 year ago with pain stock: EXCUSE ME WHAT THE F-
The whole shifting compression from one BR to another BR is getting quite old.
Bro, how did that Strv not see you? 🤣🤣
Su22m3 R60MK is actually pretty scuffed
I got my first Nuke using the fox at 7.7, fully uptiered to 8.7 so I welcome the BR change and rank increase to help with the grind lol!
Why haven’t they still haven’t change the otomatic
What change were they going to make? Hopefully lower it’s damn br. It’s way too high. Italy needs missle aa at top tier not the automatic
Yeah I'm with you on most things so far.. outside of a couple things like the 292 and T80UD I don't think anything is disgustingly undertier currently, It's obvi why those 2 didn't go up in BR since Russia has a borderline bullshit unfair 10.0 lineup, also IMO 292 certainly for arcade as I do dabble in that some days as it's a much less "tense" mode the 292 for arcade needs to to 11.0 as it'll still lol pen anything at max BR an in a downtier, T80UD yeah 10.3 at least if not ideal 10.7.
Really wished the Harrier GR1 was moved to 9.3, it suffers so much dealing with f5c, a10
yeah would absolutely love to play against SRAAMs with flareless coldwar jets
@@prestigexv2151sraams with 2km range bruh
Not too sure about that one chief
Honestly, yeah, i can see that, SRAAMs are kinda shit, the lack of flares, and the awful maneuverability if you dont VIFF, yeah, 9.3 material
@@prestigexv2151bro sraams are so fucking awful lmfao
Why can’t they fix 11.3 and 9.3 air, full up tiers every round despite there being a bunch of stuff at those tiers it really sucks since you fight aircraft from completely different generations
What about Shengen F5?
and yet the VIDAR doesn't move
Wtf why bmp 1 is 8.0 ??? İts already suffering why marder doesnt go to 8.0
Still increases to the strela br they don't understand that once the missile is launched you are practically shot down even if they put it 11.7
Which is why they are moving it up. The higher the br the further the planes can stay away
My biggest issue with the Irccm missiles in ground and also air gamemodes is not doing any good for the game. If you turn away, flare and cut your afterburner or throttle down you should distract the missile
@@philipschmit534strela (and to some extent, all IR sam platform with photocontrast mode) can simply ignore flares, your defense is either fly very low or evasive maneuvers and hope you can pull more g than the missiles
@@philipschmit534 problem is Strela doesn't need it lock it has the bs optical contrast mode
And they only moved it up in arcade
As a Sweden main, the ground realistic br changes are truly tragic.
Someone brought the fox in top tier, It was slapping everything.
F-1 having Aim9E's stock instead of Aim9B's
So why is the Roland 1 going down to 9.7 but the FlaRakPz is still at 10.3? XD
Dude, at least look at the stats of vehicles before you post shit like this.
Its not the same turret. The French Roland ingame is the day version of the Roland system, called Roland 1. Unlike the Roland 2 All-weather system which Gaijin gave Germany and the US it has no radar tracking(only optical) and it has less than half the elevation of the Roland 2 turret (only 35 degrees vs 80 degrees for Ger). Now the "fun part "is that France also used the Roland 2 turret on several of their AMX-30Rs but Gaijin being Gaijin France got the shit version, and only now after litteraly years they start to treat them as not equal vehicles.
Guys when will be the next 50% discount on all vehicles? Any idea?
May 5th through 7th I think. If not then end of October
If the French Roland is going down to 9.7 the American and the German ones need to go down too. It’s the same systems. Why they are at 10.3 in the first place is crazy.
game needs be based on modifications, some tanks and planes are near unplayable stock
is the ki 200 still at 8.7 why
I wanted to buy a2d1, but 8.0 mig15 and f86 is making me worried
Well, I was running my beloved Fox with my 7.7s anyways 😊
I don t mind the amx 30 dca going up in br but the gepard is at least better in every way
Wrong, DCA gets a sabot round mixed in with APHE and Proxy fuse. In a 600 round belt. The gepard gets a stab (which effects nothing) better radar (situational) but is far less lethal to tanks with a full sabot belt of like 60 rounds
@@frankiegutierrez3847 Proxy fuse? On the AMX30 DCA? Are you for real ? Can you stop pretending you know wtf you are talking about when you clearly don't ?
@@frankiegutierrez3847 First..i dont know what u are smoking but change dealer...then,where did u see proxy on amx 30 and if u think its broken at 8.3 without stab vs planes did u see russians having radar spaa WITH stab and lot of ammo at 7.7???
@@just-someone-random Im not rationalizing the changes nor did I mention the entire tree of busted spaa with the soviets , but let’s not pretend the DCA is a slouch. Maybe it doesn’t have proxy, they still smack planes and it kills tanks far more efficiently then all its other nato contemporaries.
I’m pretty average at the game and I have no issue using it as a tank destroyer ++++++ they hate France and gutted the 8.3 line up a while ago so…
@@frankiegutierrez3847 DCA isnt bad as TD thats true but still its basicly same as zsu 57/2 or falcon just with weird radar on higher br...and it will be even higher now,I dont care since there is 8.7 lineup as well but still,they change br based on performance and not based on vehicle...why is a lot of vehicles overtiered even tho they arent that good?Bcs people that arent lvl 13 play them and actualy use them with hands bro
Gaijin please save the chieftains!!!
I'm not sure about the fox, putting it in a BR with other light tanks and no heavy tanks is one shotting those light tanks
Noooo keep the T-80UD at 10.0 for the cracked out Soviet 10.0 line up lol
Going over to try and hope to at least make FOX go up to 7.3 I'm actually having fun maining Britain for once
I thought obj 292 gonna get br change
Well rip my hellcat line up, and the m551 76 better get the fucking heat shell.
holy shit EBR isnt catching another nerf?
To be fair i was up tiering the fox to 7.7 already and it was fine. APHE against marders is funny.
To be honest i already uptier the fox because it faces less super armored vehicles and more of the lightly armored cold war ones.
The only thing that i disagree with is the m18s those are good where they are no need to fuck with us mains.
a bunch of the Russian 10.0 stuff ( BMP-2M, 2S38 and TURMS) should be 10.3 at the least.
So the AMX DCA is gong to 8.7 but the gepard can still be 8.3 ?!?
which would you rather have: a stabilizer, faster stronger more accurate rounds, additional tracking radar and a faster turret OR more ammo, slightly better firerate and 66kmh reverse.
BMP-1 at 8.0 again it suck because of ATGM change
J32B to 9.0 at 9.3 you first of all have the lightning which is basically better in every way and also fighting supersonics in a subsonic plane that only is goot at energy agains planes with same or more energy than you also its just constant uptiesr to 10.0 and 10.3 9.0 gets way less uptiers than 9.3
Tornado strike variants should go down in br maybe 10.7 or smth like that not 11.0
F104s TAF needs to go to 10.7
IS-3s have a new chew toy. I feel bad for the M18s
Yeah, the Fox going up means nothing. I do nothing but uptier it with my Falcon and get nuke after nuke. Getting put higher just means more targets it can kill easier with more frontal armor, less side/rear armor.
Leclerc (S1) should go to 10.3-10.7
As a british main, the Fox going to 7.7 is well deserved and im not surprised at all. I adore that thing, and that jump is totally reasonable. The higher you go, the more reaction time and more stabs you get, but the less side armor, so it will be very much capable there
yea, the playstyle changes a bit, but the performance doesnt. gepards sure are scary when playing the fox, but that goes both ways.
I really don't see the hype around pushing the T-80UD to a higher BR out of all the other busted 10.0s one could pick. It's like everyone just conveniently forgot that the T-72B 89 is also 10.0 whilst being virtually identical (only difference between the two tanks is the slightly faster reload on the T-80UD), and it's been 10.0 for years without anyone complaining. But uhh... Russian bias or something idk.
the Fox changes dont matter. i use it in all line ups. so it ranking up only means it can research more xD and it will do better in higher tiers where armor/heavy tanbks goes away
2s38
bmp-2m
T-80UD all of which being 10.0 is fucking nuts lol
262 mains now arguing they have to fight the mig-15 at 8.0
But the 262 has much better cannons, OP against the MiG-15. Move the 262 up to 8.7 asap
@Donkeymaster9000 Bud the 4x mk108 on the me 262 sucks 500 muzzle velocity is trash, sure it hits hard and is satisfying but at 8.7 is probably not even playable. Me 262 should be 6.0 imo if u want to be realistic
Somehow the Vampire is equal to a mig 15 now. Shtsparkos and slow as fk
@@user-tk8bd5ii6the’s joking
M18 to 6.0 and Super Hellcat to 6.7 makes me sad.
Naval meanwhile, still no SKR nerfs lol. They've wrecked 7.0-8.0 Air, the only good thing about these changes is the Fox going up.
Oh, and where is my Hunter F.1? Why no 8.7?
They need to do something to help American win rate. Something to help the Abrams
I play fox at 8.0 already. Still good. No change.
Without decompression for air rb they just ruin another br. I guess it’s 7.7s turn to suffer.
G.91 YS still on 9.7
It is really not their problem why the days of planes between br8.3~9.0 are so bad.
it is f-104 causing their problem.
I am not a good air player but i still feel like I'm invincible to fight them with f104a.
f-104a is clearly stronger then f-100,f3h and mig19 to my experience.
The Starfighter can easily dictate the fights.
The G.91 Y and YS BR's should be lowered by 0.3. They are so bad that even Italian mains don't wanna use it.
The br changes are garbage and the 2S38, 292, and the bmp2m need to move up to 11.0 at a minimum cause they are way to strong at there brs. Plus the goddamn M60A3 TTS and M1 and M1KVT need M833 like they used in real life.
Object 292 to 10.3
T72 1989 to 9.7
Why are you complaining about the AMX-30 DCA at 8.3? USSR have the ZSU-37-2 and ZSU-23-4 both at 7.7 and 8.0 and they can be miserable to fight but the none stabilised AA is the issue? This is like the falcon all over again.
I see no problems with the Fox moving up to 7.7. I've been clapping things regularly in 9.7 matches. (I might have contributed to this BR change lmao)