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My man, I once critiqued you for not being knowledgeable enough on a certain topic. It was like half a year ago and I stil regret it and consider that I've been too harsh. I just want to say that I truly appreciate the work you're doing on this channel. The world feels less lonely when you know you aren't alone on your path towards Sophia. Thanks you for introducing me to de Chardin!
Goddamit Bogdan but that's one of the nicest comments I've ever read. Thank you for sticking with the channel and thank you so much for the support it means a lot
Wow what an incredible episode. I knew nothing of this ‘stuff’ or the man behind this work. Your knowledge is incredible James. Huge breadth of information & once again very thought provoking. Brilliant stuff!
I came across the concept of noosphere through Vernadski instead of Chardin, and one led me to the other. It was probably the most important concept I read in college. It changed my look on things completely. We should talk so much more about it.
Very interesting! I became aware of Chardin since High School. My older sister brought a book home from college about Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. I’m only in High School; these were not 50 cent words, they were $2:50 words. I didn’t really understand them then, but I was awe struck. It’s like I sensed them! I am so pissed off that to this day the Jesuits and the Catholic Church at least officially, look the other way. The concept of the Cosmic Christ, which is the more religious way of embracing the Noosphere could advance the church as dynamic. But noway! The church punished Galileo and in 1300 hundreds and the church silenced Chardin 1923. Keep up the good work!❤️
I started learning philosophy a few months ago by reading Jung and Nietzsche. Their thinking, combined with certain aspects of my information technology studies (mainly binary), did wonders with my pre-existing views to come up with this theory and logic! I was overtaken by the concept and felt the necessity to begin discussing philosophical topics with my close friends. That has resulted in the most mentally stimulating conversations in our lives! I naturally shared this concept to them, and tested it's range of applicability, never being able to dismiss it. To now come across this video and know of de Chardin and the small scale awareness of his theory made me exhilerated! It truly is a matter that ought to be discussed more!
Highly complex systems require both the ability to move and an underlying simplicity that is Absolute, Robust and Reliable. Energy; which to our best understanding are independent, electro-magnetic 'packets' with push-pull, attract-repel properties that invoke an implicit binary logic; which can under predictable conditions combine into subatomic particles, then atoms, and these recombine into compound properties (minerals, acids, alkalines, etc.), compounding even further into life, organs, and awareness given sufficient time. However there is a flaw in that robustitude. Possibly that the most basic Energy 'packets' are differently sized and powered; and thus previous bonds can unravel, de-harmonise, thus destabilising the composite form (aka Entropy). There is no natural permanence except for that experienced by the Energy 'packets' and Space. Matter is a useful illusion (all it can be is energy and its logic). Furthermore any highly developed construct is static but the Cosmos is not. We are constantly bombarded with unrelated 'matter' which can destroy essential elements that once lost in the reproductive processes are not recoverable. E.g. Transcription factors; leading to the awful possibility that our capacity to generate our brightest minds from our 'design' have long since passed (e.g. Archimedes). That we lived too long embroiled in the turmoil and utter pointlessness of History. When we could have built telescopes the size of the moon centuries ago had we not been distracted by power and the pursuit of meaning. Whereas the strict limits of the Drake equation is our reality. [IOW: Why did the opposable thumb have to go to a carnivore?] Q: What would _Homo sapiens_ do with the emergence of _Homo superiens?_ We can barely make good use of the high-functioning minds of some Autistics. Some so-called Scientists want to argue that Relativity is permanent, that Free Will does not exist, that Philosophy is dead, that our Universe began from a pin-prick. Mathematicians believe there is actually a state of zero and in negative numbers which can be used to describe reality. But Eternity means there was no start point (no zeroeth moment). All of reality has never not existed, it is endlessly positive, it just changes - possibly being cute, i.e. anthropogenically 'waiting' for the minds that overcome the obstacles from their 'Cosmos scale' pin-prick-sized vehicle. The human design challenge: _Intelligence and Imagination are the Cosmos trying to make sense of itself._ The inhumanity of the civilisation element of the Drake equation is our true reality.
@The greatest to never live Having a shared genome could possibly indicate a commonality of cultural expression that can 'hive' in one location (e.g. Europe under the narrowing dominance of royalty). However once that is exposed to freedom and wider influences it will be fractured. E.g. the story of Jazz, the Jitterbug, or 'going native' within the time of the Raj, etc. Also see the permutations of English as it settled into new environments. Also the discussions (pamphleteering, etc.,) that followed every 'modern' revolution invariably ended up with autonomy and freedom of choice as their core message. These start from our need for generational changes (teens invariably invent their own music, slang, dress codes, etc.) that naturally challenge/reinvent the orthodoxy as presented to them by their elders. Whose capacity for being stupid is of course written expertly in Granite. The lack of rigidity, where freedom is limited only to what happens to our own lives, a heterodoxy, seems to be the most appropriate human 'norm'. Where any orthodoxy is generational and temporary. In general: the combined philosophical thrust of Democracy, Science, and the utter seditiousness of the Capitalism as presented by Adam Smith. [I suspect he survived censure thanks to inbreeding of his masters.] Warfare is the most complete breakdown of the species. A product of concentrations of power. The three pillars (above) would obviate their occurrence completely. Our focus, our application of genius, should be on what we are going to do when this planet no longer becomes a viable refuge. That is the only real game in which we are involved. See Carl Sagan's _Pale Blue Dot_ speech. But the stacked Turtles will always be there. The enormous imposition that is life and contemplating our response to the certainty of our death leads the human imagination to the existence and boundless love of a higher being (pretty please). Unfortunately that sucks the juice out of the higher uses of our minds. Ergo: raising each child to becoming fully-enabled, independent, a complete expression of their genetic attributes should be humanity's highest purpose. Its only purpose actually. Because all we bring to this struggle is intelligence and imagination; and we are only 'useful' to the struggle from peak intelligence till the breakdown of 'wisdom' (very roughly the ages 16-50ish). I remain optimistic, the hard yards are done. Making full use of them is not impossible, empathy still has a chance; and very luckily for us total failure as a species matters not one whit on the Cosmological stage. Incidental creatures come and go. Cheers.
Marvelous work. I've been anticipating this one for a while now. This is such an important and valuable idea that I think can help resolve so many of our issues today, from the death of god to a sense of meaninglessness to a lack of nuance about individual agency within cultural contexts. Unlike the physiosphere, some small part of the biosphere has an ability to actively interact with and even direct the noosphere. It's an interesting question as to whether there's some self-interested and self-perpetuating force innate to the structure of the noosphere that might step in to ensure we save ourselves as its necessary substrate or whether we need to build stronger, more robust foundations before some "singularity"-esque moment over-saturates us with memes out of our control - perhaps the birth of some near-literal collective mind-god. Fascinating stuff to think about, thanks as always!
It's so great to find work of such quality as this. One thing you sparked in me is in your evocation of Tielhard's complexity, l am reminded of the other essential principle upon which complexity depends for its cohesion. Its perfect and precise opposite. Simplicity. Go well noonaut
This is a lot to take in. Incredibly interesting. Thank you so much for talking about unusual perspectives and philosophers or scientists not so many people have heard of!
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Super impressed and inspired. I will more thoughtfully comment soon but wanted to thank you for this content in this fashion.
I can't think of any reason why the process of "stacking" should stop at the level of noosphere. There could be further levels of complexity that arise beyond the noosphere. An interesting question to ponder is what that next level of complexity might look like.
Just finished the video. I guess Chardin believed that the next level would be the final one of the singularity. I'm not sure if I agree entirely with that. I the rest of eternity is a very long time. Many things could happen that are far beyond our capacity to even imagine. But I do think that if we reach the next level, it will be a profoundly revolutionary event.
Haha Kaleb I love this idea of spheres all the way up. I'd be on the page as you Mark I think this is a ceiling that is being broken through at which point there is a whole new domain to be expanded out into. I see this as another compression of complexity moment like the point of vitalisation of matter and the threshold of reflection rather than being an Omega Point that is the end of all things. In fairness de Chardin sees this compression point as being thousands of years in the future so arguably he's looking beyond humanity and this present moment to something else but it's dubious.
This Noosphere stuff is exactly what I’ve thought of, just phrased in another way. Kinda like when a child sees that South America and Africa kinda click together. That’s continental drift.
Is always inspiring to see this quality and thought provoking and well researched episodes! That said, could be that the noosphere is the new age profetized 4th dimension where "you don't need a physical body to exist"? With fractals you just can get pairs from anywhere haha
This is hilarious. I've come to a very similar set of conclusions over the course of the last four years or so, beginning with a strictly scientific underlying foundation based the RNA world and big bang theories with the crucial role of entropy as the causal agent, but I only realised the constant pattern of increasing complexity within the last year or so under the influence of the AI phenomenon, contemporary christian philosophical theology, learning of and experiencing (drugs) non-standard thought patterns and considering the possibility of transcending the current highest stage of complexity. I've pretty much completed my own theorizing on the matter around half a year ago or so as I just couldn't find anything more to add or take away from the whole. I haven't found anyone with a similar worldview to mine until now, and even though I had no grandiose expectations of being the first to come to such a conclusion, I honestly thought I wouldn't find any similar philosophical views until I'd eventually find the time to start sharing my ideas and someone would spot a similarity to some past thinker. To think I have your well-intentioned defense of the most reprehensible of postmodern ideas to thank for eventually leading me here to this video, well.. I can do nothing but laugh. Cheers, excellent work.
a wonderful episode. This idea reminds me a lot of the God Emperor of Dune climax to the Dune saga. I see so much of Herbert in where we have arrived and where we are going.
This channel is one of the best things I ever discovered on youtube. A real pleasure listing to your observations, summarization and reflections. Really appreciate the digging to pair those words with art from across the ages. I would love to see an episode where instead of existing art you weave in new works via some of the text-to-image models ( Dall-e, midjourney,.. )
Thanks a million S.J.! That's a wonderful compliment to hear! You'll be happy to know that you have just commented on such a video! Half the art (maybe a little less) in this video was created using Stable Diffusion v.1. I need to update my knowledge and hone my prompt engineering but it's something there'll be much more of in future!
Acquired heredity does exist within species outside the homo branch, the only difference is its exponential growth, made possible through complex and precise language
I'd heard of Pierre before but I can't remember much about him .in someways parallels exist between this and Lovelocks Gaia idea although Gaia is largely materialistic.I also see parallels between Noosphere and Pandeism of the type whereby God is becoming conscious again via the universe It became.Although I suspect that Chardin was probably a Panentheist?
It was! Well some of it. I was wondering if anyone would notice. I got very excited when I heard about Stability AI and then when it became possible to run it locally I've been playing around with it a lot. Some of it's top quality while some of it is meh. Was there an image that gave it away?
@@TheLivingPhilosophy the one at 1:37 and 2:58 made me raise an eyebrow but 5:45 gave it away. Crazy and kind of scary to thunk about what AI art will be like in 3-5 years ...
@@tvPhasing Haha yeah the 5:45 one was definitely dubious. That was a composite of a few images so partly my fault though the different images were AI generated. It's mindblowing to think that this is just the beginning. So curious to see where it's going
I've been reading Ken Wilber and Ian McGilchrist as of late, and this guy's name keeps coming up. In fact the term "Noosphere" is something that I've only encountered in Wilber. I was thinking of maybe checking him out at some point, and then boom! Here is a new video by my favorite philosophy UA-camr and it's on de Chardin!
Ah no way I've just started diving into Ian McGilchrist. His work on the structure of the mind/brain is FASCINATING. Does he talk about de Chardin? He's very central to Wilber's worldview for sure. I'm delighted to hear that I could provide a timely intro to that man's thought!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Yeah he mentions de Chardin quite a bit in his latest book "The Matter With Things". And I agree that he's fascinating. He's honestly become my favorite philosopher in the modern west along with Wilber. "The Master and His Emissary" was a masterpiece and his new books is turning out to be even better. It's ridiculously long and expensive (150 bucks and two hard cover books about 800 pages each) but it's well worth it if you have the time and money.
@@williamkoscielniak7871 Ah fascinating. I'm not sure I have the time to delve into him now but it's certainly on my radar thanks for letting me know about this connection between him and de Chardin
I really appreciate the way you organize the levels of reality we start out with at this level of existence. I'm sure the way we evolved on our world is regarded as interesting to our spiritual supervisors, who have seen many other planets evolve before ours; after all, our sun is but an average star, so that's just a logical conclusion. It's naive to believe that all this reality happens by accident. If we can recognize our personal minds, surely, we are getting evolved enough to realize that we have no idea how many forms of life exist beyond that with which we are familiar. I agree with you that the Universe is mindful, and we are part of it, both on an individual level and a collective level. Human mind is but the beginning rung of what mind can be and is. The most recent epochal revelation says the Universe is friendly. How can it be, if it doesn't live and have will? From the Urantia Book: (116:7.1) The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.
Books III and IV of Dan Simmons's "Hyperion Cantos" (i.e. "Endymion" and "Rise of Endymion") introduced me to the ideas of the jesuit - thus catholic - priest Teilhard de Chardin. (The pope back than wasn't to enthusiastic, recommending not to uncritically take this guys ideas as truth...) But, thinking back, implicidly I probably divulged into this kind of thinking - believing? - with the Star Trek TNG episode "The traveler" back in 19-90-something... Nice vid, thou!
At 5:22 when you say that consciousness was not long reactive to it's environment, but began to fold in on itself, I wonder how we can be so sure other animals don't have self awareness. If you address it later in the video which you probably do, feel free to ignore me.
They are! This topic was quite tough to match with my usual stock of images so with the release of Stability AI I had a great chance to play around with it. Some are better than others but a lot of them really are amazing it's a real gamechanger
@@NorthernSolesCrew Yeah that one it couldn't come up with directly so I made a composite of a few images. It jars but it did the job...kind of. Thanks for the kind words!
Just catching up! Another great door opened! Thank you. Have you thought that the image generating AI that took months to achieve video generating AI, will soon turn into VR generating AI which may then usher in an entirely new era of person to person communication? If the printing press kicked the noosphere into high gear, imagine what seamless multi sensory communication between people will do! It's going to get wild fast. Some real world examples of this noosphere turning in on itself.
Awesome..... Going to look this up. The next end point of the creative, complexity inducing, life giving force is probably to take humanity and the biosphere interplanetary (although we should not take snakes perhaps).. Not so much to reach hive mind status.
Oh dear. Welcome to the machine. I think we've listened to enough of that French Intellectualism stuff over the past few decades. Perhaps a pause is in order. But I wish you all the best with that climate crisis thing.
Indeed. And for a channel, that labels itself "philosophical", I detect very little to do with acquiring knowledge, but lots of suspicious regurgitation of ideologies - "climate armageddon" being just one of them.
We have unlearned something. We have become more modest in every way. We no longer derive man from the “spirit,” from the “godhead”; we have dropped him back among the beasts. We regard him as the strongest of the beasts because he is the craftiest; one of the re sults thereof is his intellectuality. On the other hand, we guard ourselves against a conceit which would assert itself even here: that man is the great second thought in the process of organic evolution. He is, in truth, anything but the crown of creation: beside him stand many other animals, all at similar stages of development.... And even when we say that we say a bit too much, for man, relatively speaking, is the most botched of all the animals and the sickliest, and he has wandered the most dangerously from his instincts-though for all that, to be sure, he remains the most interesting! Nietzsche, AntiChrist 14
LE FERMATON vs L'UNITÉ PENSANTE Le fermaton( La plus petite unité de la conscience humaine) du Dr Clovis Simard est L'expression mathématiquee de L'UNITÉ PENSANTE DE TEILHARD DE CHARDIN.
Thank you- yes chardin perceived this complexity order . What a visionary who was gagged by the pope. Imagine where Christianity would be - not maga trump right to life fakes but true “LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS SELF” Not dumb driven cattle- but creative and intelligent minds into this more perfect -the greater cosmic consciousness . Read The Phenomenon of Man . Best book for our time .
Noosphere is constantly regressive though because average human mind in macro scale by general population is neither intelligent nor wise enough to retain said cultural developments in age of downfalls and chaos as seen with many collapses of china and of rome The collapse of large civilizations also cause a localised technolgical and cultural downfall and regression human psyche as a group is not developed enough prevail such events without loss chaos always regins supreme every new era the most stable civilization model is not one based around beings like human but eusocial fauna instead
well ya, the theory of cultural evolution would be based on inheritance of acquired characteristics, not darwin's theory of genetic variation and natural selection, which is why people like lemark assumed inheritance of acquired characteristics was the basis for biological evolution. the problem with what you're saying is that there is no such thing as complexity, nor is there culture or cultural evolution. by that i mean that nature is a state of simplicity and culture doesnt explain anything. no one ever did anything because of culture. life is indeed a universal cosmic property in the form of all things hungering for knowledge culminating in the choice between doing what you know is right or doing what you know is wrong sorry that's all there is, and all that talk about human organization or 'innovation' is pure imagination. in fact, nothing has ever changed. technology is not the result of change, and it has produced no change. the truth, or reality, or the good, or god, or 道, whatever you wanna call it, is immutable, eternal, and always known
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⌛ Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
01:28 A Tale of Two Spheres: the Physiosphere and the Biosphere
04:04 The Third Sphere: the Emergence of the Noosphere
05:12 The Threshold of Reflection
07:40 Knitting Together
A.G.I Will be man's last Invention.
A.G.I Will be man's last invention
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My man, I once critiqued you for not being knowledgeable enough on a certain topic. It was like half a year ago and I stil regret it and consider that I've been too harsh. I just want to say that I truly appreciate the work you're doing on this channel. The world feels less lonely when you know you aren't alone on your path towards Sophia. Thanks you for introducing me to de Chardin!
Goddamit Bogdan but that's one of the nicest comments I've ever read. Thank you for sticking with the channel and thank you so much for the support it means a lot
@@alwaysgreatusa223 exactly 💯 % correct.
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Wow what an incredible episode. I knew nothing of this ‘stuff’ or the man behind this work. Your knowledge is incredible James. Huge breadth of information & once again very thought provoking. Brilliant stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it Danny!
I came across the concept of noosphere through Vernadski instead of Chardin, and one led me to the other. It was probably the most important concept I read in college. It changed my look on things completely. We should talk so much more about it.
Noosphere
So few people I know have ever heard of Vernadsky. I had the same path as you.
Very interesting! I became aware of Chardin since High School. My older sister brought a book home from college about Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. I’m only in High School; these were not 50 cent words, they were $2:50 words. I didn’t really understand them then, but I was awe struck. It’s like I sensed them!
I am so pissed off that to this day the Jesuits and the Catholic Church at least officially, look the other way.
The concept of the Cosmic Christ, which is the more religious way of embracing the Noosphere could advance the church as dynamic. But noway! The church punished Galileo and in 1300 hundreds and the church silenced Chardin 1923.
Keep up the good work!❤️
I started learning philosophy a few months ago by reading Jung and Nietzsche. Their thinking, combined with certain aspects of my information technology studies (mainly binary), did wonders with my pre-existing views to come up with this theory and logic!
I was overtaken by the concept and felt the necessity to begin discussing philosophical topics with my close friends. That has resulted in the most mentally stimulating conversations in our lives! I naturally shared this concept to them, and tested it's range of applicability, never being able to dismiss it.
To now come across this video and know of de Chardin and the small scale awareness of his theory made me exhilerated! It truly is a matter that ought to be discussed more!
I've never heard of de Chardin and I'm so so thankful to you for introducing his ideas in this brilliant video!
Fascinating stuff right!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy any theories about the relationship and reciprocity between nature and culture are brilliant food for thought!
Those paintings are so beautiful. Your videos always feel like meditation. Keep it up!
I've never heard that one before Tani thank you so much!!
Highly complex systems require both the ability to move and an underlying simplicity that is Absolute, Robust and Reliable. Energy; which to our best understanding are independent, electro-magnetic 'packets' with push-pull, attract-repel properties that invoke an implicit binary logic; which can under predictable conditions combine into subatomic particles, then atoms, and these recombine into compound properties (minerals, acids, alkalines, etc.), compounding even further into life, organs, and awareness given sufficient time. However there is a flaw in that robustitude. Possibly that the most basic Energy 'packets' are differently sized and powered; and thus previous bonds can unravel, de-harmonise, thus destabilising the composite form (aka Entropy). There is no natural permanence except for that experienced by the Energy 'packets' and Space. Matter is a useful illusion (all it can be is energy and its logic).
Furthermore any highly developed construct is static but the Cosmos is not. We are constantly bombarded with unrelated 'matter' which can destroy essential elements that once lost in the reproductive processes are not recoverable. E.g. Transcription factors; leading to the awful possibility that our capacity to generate our brightest minds from our 'design' have long since passed (e.g. Archimedes). That we lived too long embroiled in the turmoil and utter pointlessness of History. When we could have built telescopes the size of the moon centuries ago had we not been distracted by power and the pursuit of meaning. Whereas the strict limits of the Drake equation is our reality. [IOW: Why did the opposable thumb have to go to a carnivore?]
Q: What would _Homo sapiens_ do with the emergence of _Homo superiens?_ We can barely make good use of the high-functioning minds of some Autistics. Some so-called Scientists want to argue that Relativity is permanent, that Free Will does not exist, that Philosophy is dead, that our Universe began from a pin-prick. Mathematicians believe there is actually a state of zero and in negative numbers which can be used to describe reality. But Eternity means there was no start point (no zeroeth moment). All of reality has never not existed, it is endlessly positive, it just changes - possibly being cute, i.e. anthropogenically 'waiting' for the minds that overcome the obstacles from their 'Cosmos scale' pin-prick-sized vehicle.
The human design challenge: _Intelligence and Imagination are the Cosmos trying to make sense of itself._ The inhumanity of the civilisation element of the Drake equation is our true reality.
@The greatest to never live Having a shared genome could possibly indicate a commonality of cultural expression that can 'hive' in one location (e.g. Europe under the narrowing dominance of royalty). However once that is exposed to freedom and wider influences it will be fractured. E.g. the story of Jazz, the Jitterbug, or 'going native' within the time of the Raj, etc. Also see the permutations of English as it settled into new environments. Also the discussions (pamphleteering, etc.,) that followed every 'modern' revolution invariably ended up with autonomy and freedom of choice as their core message. These start from our need for generational changes (teens invariably invent their own music, slang, dress codes, etc.) that naturally challenge/reinvent the orthodoxy as presented to them by their elders. Whose capacity for being stupid is of course written expertly in Granite.
The lack of rigidity, where freedom is limited only to what happens to our own lives, a heterodoxy, seems to be the most appropriate human 'norm'. Where any orthodoxy is generational and temporary. In general: the combined philosophical thrust of Democracy, Science, and the utter seditiousness of the Capitalism as presented by Adam Smith. [I suspect he survived censure thanks to inbreeding of his masters.]
Warfare is the most complete breakdown of the species. A product of concentrations of power. The three pillars (above) would obviate their occurrence completely. Our focus, our application of genius, should be on what we are going to do when this planet no longer becomes a viable refuge. That is the only real game in which we are involved. See Carl Sagan's _Pale Blue Dot_ speech.
But the stacked Turtles will always be there. The enormous imposition that is life and contemplating our response to the certainty of our death leads the human imagination to the existence and boundless love of a higher being (pretty please). Unfortunately that sucks the juice out of the higher uses of our minds.
Ergo: raising each child to becoming fully-enabled, independent, a complete expression of their genetic attributes should be humanity's highest purpose. Its only purpose actually. Because all we bring to this struggle is intelligence and imagination; and we are only 'useful' to the struggle from peak intelligence till the breakdown of 'wisdom' (very roughly the ages 16-50ish).
I remain optimistic, the hard yards are done. Making full use of them is not impossible, empathy still has a chance; and very luckily for us total failure as a species matters not one whit on the Cosmological stage. Incidental creatures come and go.
Cheers.
Marvelous work. I've been anticipating this one for a while now. This is such an important and valuable idea that I think can help resolve so many of our issues today, from the death of god to a sense of meaninglessness to a lack of nuance about individual agency within cultural contexts. Unlike the physiosphere, some small part of the biosphere has an ability to actively interact with and even direct the noosphere. It's an interesting question as to whether there's some self-interested and self-perpetuating force innate to the structure of the noosphere that might step in to ensure we save ourselves as its necessary substrate or whether we need to build stronger, more robust foundations before some "singularity"-esque moment over-saturates us with memes out of our control - perhaps the birth of some near-literal collective mind-god. Fascinating stuff to think about, thanks as always!
Thanks Quincy!
It's so great to find work of such quality as this. One thing you sparked in me is in your evocation of Tielhard's complexity, l am reminded of the other essential principle upon which complexity depends for its cohesion. Its perfect and precise opposite. Simplicity. Go well noonaut
This is a lot to take in. Incredibly interesting. Thank you so much for talking about unusual perspectives and philosophers or scientists not so many people have heard of!
Still not sure what I'm doing or where it's going but I'll be damned if it's not an interesting journey!
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Super impressed and inspired. I will more thoughtfully comment soon but wanted to thank you for this content in this fashion.
Wow thanks Todd that's a joy to hear!
This right here is gonna fuel me for years. My man, thank you
My man 💪
I can't think of any reason why the process of "stacking" should stop at the level of noosphere. There could be further levels of complexity that arise beyond the noosphere.
An interesting question to ponder is what that next level of complexity might look like.
Just finished the video. I guess Chardin believed that the next level would be the final one of the singularity. I'm not sure if I agree entirely with that. I the rest of eternity is a very long time. Many things could happen that are far beyond our capacity to even imagine.
But I do think that if we reach the next level, it will be a profoundly revolutionary event.
I agree. I think it's "spheres all the way up" if you will 😆
Haha Kaleb I love this idea of spheres all the way up. I'd be on the page as you Mark I think this is a ceiling that is being broken through at which point there is a whole new domain to be expanded out into. I see this as another compression of complexity moment like the point of vitalisation of matter and the threshold of reflection rather than being an Omega Point that is the end of all things. In fairness de Chardin sees this compression point as being thousands of years in the future so arguably he's looking beyond humanity and this present moment to something else but it's dubious.
This Noosphere stuff is exactly what I’ve thought of, just phrased in another way.
Kinda like when a child sees that South America and Africa kinda click together. That’s continental drift.
An excellent introduction into system dynamics: Complexity, a guided tour - Melanie Mitchell
Was looking for "Noosphere", found this great channel.
This is some JRPG shit and I'm here for it
Is always inspiring to see this quality and thought provoking and well researched episodes! That said, could be that the noosphere is the new age profetized 4th dimension where "you don't need a physical body to exist"? With fractals you just can get pairs from anywhere haha
Very enlightening episode today. Nicely done and thank you 😊 🖤🌹
Thanks Renaissance Fairy!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy you are welcome my friend 😊 🖤🌹 until next time.
This is hilarious. I've come to a very similar set of conclusions over the course of the last four years or so, beginning with a strictly scientific underlying foundation based the RNA world and big bang theories with the crucial role of entropy as the causal agent, but I only realised the constant pattern of increasing complexity within the last year or so under the influence of the AI phenomenon, contemporary christian philosophical theology, learning of and experiencing (drugs) non-standard thought patterns and considering the possibility of transcending the current highest stage of complexity. I've pretty much completed my own theorizing on the matter around half a year ago or so as I just couldn't find anything more to add or take away from the whole. I haven't found anyone with a similar worldview to mine until now, and even though I had no grandiose expectations of being the first to come to such a conclusion, I honestly thought I wouldn't find any similar philosophical views until I'd eventually find the time to start sharing my ideas and someone would spot a similarity to some past thinker. To think I have your well-intentioned defense of the most reprehensible of postmodern ideas to thank for eventually leading me here to this video, well.. I can do nothing but laugh. Cheers, excellent work.
Great video!!
thanks a lot!!! I would say it's a pretty complex concept. really appreciate
Does anyone know what picture is this 4:07
Does anybody consider how many of us got washed away at wounce in that younger fryas?
a wonderful episode. This idea reminds me a lot of the God Emperor of Dune climax to the Dune saga. I see so much of Herbert in where we have arrived and where we are going.
I can't stop listening to your lovely, enlightening voice. I can't help myself, though: Aim more for "duh shard Dan" rather than "day shard Don"
I heard of the noosphere in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 trailer. Decided to research it. Ended up here. Now I'm gonna read de Chadin.
Fantastic video! Thank you sir for sharing this knowledge with us!
My pleasure Max!
6:47 whats that painting?
This one was good. Opened some doors for sure.
Delighted to hear it jobbimaster
This channel is one of the best things I ever discovered on youtube. A real pleasure listing to your observations, summarization and reflections. Really appreciate the digging to pair those words with art from across the ages. I would love to see an episode where instead of existing art you weave in new works via some of the text-to-image models ( Dall-e, midjourney,.. )
Thanks a million S.J.! That's a wonderful compliment to hear! You'll be happy to know that you have just commented on such a video! Half the art (maybe a little less) in this video was created using Stable Diffusion v.1. I need to update my knowledge and hone my prompt engineering but it's something there'll be much more of in future!
Excellent video
Acquired heredity does exist within species outside the homo branch, the only difference is its exponential growth, made possible through complex and precise language
Yeah this is an important clarification, thank you 🙏
Thank you for this introduction. I'd had no familiarity with this philosopher. Somehow I do sense a familiarity with his thoughts. Compelling stuff.
I'd heard of Pierre before but I can't remember much about him .in someways parallels exist between this and Lovelocks Gaia idea although Gaia is largely materialistic.I also see parallels between Noosphere and Pandeism of the type whereby God is becoming conscious again via the universe It became.Although I suspect that Chardin was probably a Panentheist?
Was the art used in the video made by an ai?
It was! Well some of it. I was wondering if anyone would notice. I got very excited when I heard about Stability AI and then when it became possible to run it locally I've been playing around with it a lot. Some of it's top quality while some of it is meh. Was there an image that gave it away?
@@TheLivingPhilosophy the one at 1:37 and 2:58 made me raise an eyebrow but 5:45 gave it away. Crazy and kind of scary to thunk about what AI art will be like in 3-5 years ...
@@tvPhasing Haha yeah the 5:45 one was definitely dubious. That was a composite of a few images so partly my fault though the different images were AI generated. It's mindblowing to think that this is just the beginning. So curious to see where it's going
I've been reading Ken Wilber and Ian McGilchrist as of late, and this guy's name keeps coming up. In fact the term "Noosphere" is something that I've only encountered in Wilber. I was thinking of maybe checking him out at some point, and then boom! Here is a new video by my favorite philosophy UA-camr and it's on de Chardin!
Ah no way I've just started diving into Ian McGilchrist. His work on the structure of the mind/brain is FASCINATING. Does he talk about de Chardin? He's very central to Wilber's worldview for sure. I'm delighted to hear that I could provide a timely intro to that man's thought!
@@TheLivingPhilosophy Yeah he mentions de Chardin quite a bit in his latest book "The Matter With Things". And I agree that he's fascinating. He's honestly become my favorite philosopher in the modern west along with Wilber. "The Master and His Emissary" was a masterpiece and his new books is turning out to be even better. It's ridiculously long and expensive (150 bucks and two hard cover books about 800 pages each) but it's well worth it if you have the time and money.
@@williamkoscielniak7871 Ah fascinating. I'm not sure I have the time to delve into him now but it's certainly on my radar thanks for letting me know about this connection between him and de Chardin
I really appreciate the way you organize the levels of reality we start out with at this level of existence. I'm sure the way we evolved on our world is regarded as interesting to our spiritual supervisors, who have seen many other planets evolve before ours; after all, our sun is but an average star, so that's just a logical conclusion. It's naive to believe that all this reality happens by accident. If we can recognize our personal minds, surely, we are getting evolved enough to realize that we have no idea how many forms of life exist beyond that with which we are familiar. I agree with you that the Universe is mindful, and we are part of it, both on an individual level and a collective level. Human mind is but the beginning rung of what mind can be and is. The most recent epochal revelation says the Universe is friendly. How can it be, if it doesn't live and have will?
From the Urantia Book: (116:7.1) The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.
Books III and IV of Dan Simmons's "Hyperion Cantos" (i.e. "Endymion" and "Rise of Endymion") introduced me to the ideas of the jesuit - thus catholic - priest Teilhard de Chardin. (The pope back than wasn't to enthusiastic, recommending not to uncritically take this guys ideas as truth...) But, thinking back, implicidly I probably divulged into this kind of thinking - believing? - with the Star Trek TNG episode "The traveler" back in 19-90-something... Nice vid, thou!
At 5:22 when you say that consciousness was not long reactive to it's environment, but began to fold in on itself, I wonder how we can be so sure other animals don't have self awareness. If you address it later in the video which you probably do, feel free to ignore me.
Kindly make Videos on 6 Philosphical Branch of Hinduism 🙏
Ken Wilber once mentioned the theosphere as a sphere "above" the Noosphere.
Will have to investigate this Chardin before I come to any conclusions but for now I will just say "very interesting".
Haha can't ask for more than that Peter!
Great imagery in this. Are some Ai generated?
They are! This topic was quite tough to match with my usual stock of images so with the release of Stability AI I had a great chance to play around with it. Some are better than others but a lot of them really are amazing it's a real gamechanger
@@TheLivingPhilosophy excellent. The image of the evolution of man made me wonder.
Keep up the great work. 🙌
@@NorthernSolesCrew Yeah that one it couldn't come up with directly so I made a composite of a few images. It jars but it did the job...kind of. Thanks for the kind words!
How did you do a whole video on de Chardin without talking about the fact that he was a Catholic priest?
Peter Soink and Terence McKenna
How about that? 🙏
Great work!
Thanks Andrei!
It's a true pleasure watching your profound work, keep going!
Just catching up! Another great door opened! Thank you. Have you thought that the image generating AI that took months to achieve video generating AI, will soon turn into VR generating AI which may then usher in an entirely new era of person to person communication? If the printing press kicked the noosphere into high gear, imagine what seamless multi sensory communication between people will do! It's going to get wild fast.
Some real world examples of this noosphere turning in on itself.
Awesome..... Going to look this up. The next end point of the creative, complexity inducing, life giving force is probably to take humanity and the biosphere interplanetary (although we should not take snakes perhaps).. Not so much to reach hive mind status.
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Oh dear. Welcome to the machine. I think we've listened to enough of that French Intellectualism stuff over the past few decades. Perhaps a pause is in order. But I wish you all the best with that climate crisis thing.
Lololol these people don't realize this is jesuit propaganda
Indeed. And for a channel, that labels itself "philosophical", I detect very little to do with acquiring knowledge, but lots of suspicious regurgitation of ideologies - "climate armageddon" being just one of them.
His name is TAY_YAR de CHARDIN thanks!
I thought this was Vernadsky's work.
We have unlearned something. We have become more modest in every way. We no longer derive man from the “spirit,” from the “godhead”; we have dropped him back among the beasts. We regard him as the strongest of the beasts because he is the craftiest; one of the re sults thereof is his intellectuality. On the other hand, we guard ourselves against a conceit which would assert itself even here: that man is the great second thought in the process of organic evolution. He is, in truth, anything but the crown of creation: beside him stand many other animals, all at similar stages of development.... And even when we say that we say a bit too much, for man, relatively speaking, is the most botched of all the animals and the sickliest, and he has wandered the most dangerously from his instincts-though for all that, to be sure, he remains the most interesting!
Nietzsche, AntiChrist 14
We will create god, together, which is the will of the universe. God will create himself. And life will then start again…
LE FERMATON vs L'UNITÉ PENSANTE
Le fermaton( La plus petite unité de la conscience humaine) du Dr Clovis Simard est L'expression mathématiquee de L'UNITÉ PENSANTE DE TEILHARD DE CHARDIN.
agi will be mans last invention
Thank you- yes chardin perceived this complexity order . What a visionary who was gagged by the pope. Imagine where Christianity would be - not maga trump right to life fakes but true “LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS SELF” Not dumb driven cattle- but creative and intelligent minds into this more perfect -the greater cosmic consciousness . Read The Phenomenon of Man . Best book for our time .
I think you’re on to something…
Noosphere is constantly regressive though because average human mind in macro scale by general population is neither intelligent nor wise enough to retain said cultural developments in age of downfalls and chaos as seen with many collapses of china and of rome
The collapse of large civilizations also cause a localised technolgical and cultural downfall and regression human psyche as a group is not developed enough prevail such events without loss chaos always regins supreme every new era the most stable civilization model is not one based around beings like human but eusocial fauna instead
well ya, the theory of cultural evolution would be based on inheritance of acquired characteristics, not darwin's theory of genetic variation and natural selection, which is why people like lemark assumed inheritance of acquired characteristics was the basis for biological evolution. the problem with what you're saying is that there is no such thing as complexity, nor is there culture or cultural evolution. by that i mean that nature is a state of simplicity and culture doesnt explain anything. no one ever did anything because of culture. life is indeed a universal cosmic property in the form of all things hungering for knowledge culminating in the choice between doing what you know is right or doing what you know is wrong
sorry that's all there is, and all that talk about human organization or 'innovation' is pure imagination. in fact, nothing has ever changed. technology is not the result of change, and it has produced no change. the truth, or reality, or the good, or god, or 道, whatever you wanna call it, is immutable, eternal, and always known
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Yet another John David Ebert rip off!
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Humanity did not emerge from Africa.
Then where?
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