I only found out about Teilhard 2 days ago and my mind and my heart are utterly blown. I feel such a connection to this man and his thoughts. I cannot wait to read around his works. This is EXACTLY the approach I was looking for and which I feel the world so so so needs, Ive had a rubbish 18 months. The world has had a rubbish 2 years..it's February 2022 and my goodness...perfect timing for me. I get so fed up of some scientists saying that God and science cannot exist. This is exactly why they can. Humanity knows what is right and true, they know what is God, whatever their God..technology etc is a tool to use. Like a knife, it can kill but only used by a deranged mind, it is also something that cuts food. Humanity should wonder, be deligted, learn, teach, be guardians yet be children. I pray (not every night mind...;) that humanity evolves into something more kinder, more ethical, more compassionate. Merci x
Yes beautiful comment, thanks for sharing. I had a similar experience and feeling discovering Teilhard a few years ago, I've never resonated so exactly with someone's thinking and logic, etc as much as Teilhard
Many times in this video they talk about the importance of developing shared consciousness and moving away from individualism. The Catholic Church does a good job with this through its mix of: a) developing and improving theology and philosophy as a group effort across many centuries. Thus, rather than any individual Pope coming along and declaring that all of his individual views are right and should replace all past views, the Popes respect the collective efforts of lots of popes, theologians, philosophers and writers that came before. At the same time, most popes in the last 100 years have adjusted, improved or evolved a few sizable parts or several parts of the church’s overall body of teachings and positions. Another major feature is periodic councils and / or synods that gather together groups of people to work on clarifying and/or improving the Church’s positions and approaches. Thus it’s largely a shared, collective endeavor, but individuals play a role. b) placing very good emphasis on the dignity of individual humans including on human rights and protections. c) asking people to (within reason) submit to the whole of mother Church even though we in our “individual minds” may think that the Church isn’t right on a few points. When I was younger and more rebellious and had less humility, I really disliked this aspect of the Catholic Church. But after learning over the course of time through experience that the Church was right about some key things that I (in my younger days) thought it was wrong about … that has taught me greater humility plus made me more able and willing to give the Church the benefit of the doubt, and give weight to the real possibility that it could well be very right about the few things that I currently still think it’s not right about. Related to that, I’ve also come to realize that a good amount of unity of the Church is important; and made me disinclined to support the extremes of the far left and far right that cause too much divisiveness in the Church. In that respect, I’m highly appreciative of Pope Francis who I think occupies a middle ground between the extremes in a way that is kind and rational and in line with Jesus’s teachings. While there is some emphasis on submitting to the whole, it’s balanced with a strong emphasis on the dignity of individuals and their rights and protections. One of the weaknesses in a lot of eastern areas of the world is a strong emphasis on the collective, but not much emphasis on the dignity of the individuals and their rights and protections.
Thank you so much to each person who participated in this engaging and illuminating conversation and for each person who helped create the video and make it public.
Discovered Teilhard in the 60s and so glad YT decided to pop this up, even belatedly. I read and reread his works. His coming into public view at the same time as the Vatican Council in the 60s brought Catholicity and by extension all Christianity into a bold, new Light. From then to this day I say the prayer he composed and prayed at the Consecration daily when he said Mass. You may want to learn it, too. During the raising up of the Host he said “Over every living thing which is to spring up, to grow, to flower, to ripen during this day, I say again the words ‘This is my Body’.” Then, raising up the chalice he continued “And over every death force which waits in readiness to corrode, to wither, to cut down, I say again the words, the mystery of faith, ‘This is my Blood’.” Perhaps I’ve not remembered it word by word as he said it, but that’s close and how I’ve prayed it for 60 years. Teilhard is my primary mystic, the root and foundation of a lifetime of living with one foot on the earth and one in heaven. In heaven with him, among others. Blessings to all who respect him. “Everything that rises must converge.”
This was an amazing 90 min discussion about Teilhard's thinking, perceptions, awareness, vision and relevance to today. Each of the panel were able to bring insights from within their own specific fields to contribute to shaping a more holistic understanding of Teilhard. The interchange was respectful and well chaired - thank you so much. I am going to pass this video on to many friends.
LE FERMATON vs L'UNITÉ PENSANTE Le fermaton( La plus petite unité de la conscience humaine) du Dr Clovis Simard est L'expression mathématiquee de L'UNITÉ PENSANTE DE TEILHARD DE CHARDIN.
Thank you, although I found the introduction a bit long, I have totally enjoyed this. It was wonderful to hear the different perspectives. I've listened to some other lectures of someone of wisdom that I value highly and who also valued Teilhard ideas and although those lectures weren't specifically about Teilhard now listening to this it became much more clear to me how Teilhard's influence also became more obvious in that persons presentation.
I'm new to Teilhard and this idea of the noosphere, but what I have gathered so far is that he was a very optimistic person that believed humanity's progress was tethered to our ability to connect with one another, and that as we progress that level of connection will continue to go up; eventually culminating to a point at which all humans will represent a shared consciousness with one another, which he described as reaching the point of Omega. Sounds like a pretty positive guy to me. Liked John's comment at the end, "that while reading Teilhard his feelings of Disgust and anger evaporates".
Even though I love Teilhard, I don't understand his optimism toward where the world is heading, especially that he lived through war times! I live through war times now in the Middle East, & I can see that the world is heading toward collective destruction! We are all dying, & our rising awareness of our collective journey is similar to the heightened awareness that is illuminated in the human consciousness right before their death!
Teilhard was not talking about just physical end of the world, but the holistic consummation of all things in a sole realm which he identified as the Omega point. In this end, there will be an extinction of all matters and all will become one with the mystic Omega which he identified as Christ. it wasn't necessarily how the world ends, but in which phenomenon it will be consumed.
I believe that his optimism even in time of war comes from his faith that death is not the end.. Thank you very much for your comment and I send you all my love.
@@johnmchugh7984 WOW, your words are amazing John, & it comes at a perfect timing in my life to which I'm awakening to this very truth! That death in this life is not the end, this world is not the end at all! We misperceive that this life is all that is because of our empirical scientific indoctrination & limited present/time perception... Thank you so much John, & I send you my love too from across spacetime :-D
@@LinusAkali Teilhard did not believe that all matter will be consumed. Catholics believe in the resurrection of the body and the eternal life of all of Creation except evil. We are sacramentalists and our central sacrament recognizes materiality itself as God
Teilhard looks at the playing out ot the Crucifixion in the Earth and points it out. Creation is God's body in a profound sense and we are crucifying Him with our murder of the planet
To my mind the spiritual repercussion of the Atom Bomb is de Chardins most imporrtant contribution to the current global conversations and consideration of the human future !
If you wish to know more about Teilhard, I really recommend you watch this video!: ua-cam.com/video/fSNU-jlHkDs/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveries 52:20 and 1:02:37 best moments for sure, other key moments: 22:10 - 23:00, 40:00 - 46:30 , 48:25 !!
If you want to know more about God check out the catechism, sorry no Sufism but hey it is the Catholic Church at the end of the day..... Isn't it? Where am l.... Did l dream all this? Can anyone just make stuff up now and talk about the Omnicron mind meld or other comic book Borg collective tosh?
tielhard learned from nature....he saw change over time....he saw the power of love and he recognized the unique blindness in humans which calcifies and restricts the ability to share the energy of love....he recognized the explosion of life that occurs when two unique entities join unencumbered in perfect harmony - perfect union after having perfectly shed their darkness, he saw the subtle force of evolution in each explosion of life, he saw nature as a sacred teacher of rhythms and patterns, in each conception he recognized a subtle yearning towards one, he saw parallels in nature to our lives and through his work encouraged us to look to all the processes in nature to realize our true nature...
Many people on the comments seem to be against him because of his stance on the sciences. Many people don't realize how many Jesuits were well educated and how certain sciences like Chemistry was founded under religious pretenses lol
A God of Love is the one God of creation -- en evolutionary creation. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- the one God began this creation. I am pleased with this panel and other theologians who dared to speak of Theihard's theory of evolutionary creation
The ideas of Teilhard, which really are the ideas of Jesus, can Unite humanity. Only the infinite, boundless, altruistic, and divine Merciful Love that is God can do that. This Love can save and Unite all things. Human consciousness is evolving to understand this more and more, and through this evolution, we will join together as a holy communion of saints. The future of humanity is bright. May all of humanity receive the light of this message.
I'm not a fan of a demon god who allows billions of years of death starvation struggle for survival, hurricanes, extinctions, tornadoes, horrible mutations, cancers, diseases, and others before sun western existed Evolution is a lie
He taught new age and his books could not be sold in Catholic book stores. He also talked about being possessed by a fireball of light that said it would be damned along with him or be saved with him. This does not sound like the holy spirit.
We are accustomed to thinking of evil and death as being the opposite of good and life. However, we are mistaken. Good is not the opposite of evil, just as life is not the opposite of death. Death is a creation of life, and evil is the residue of good. When we create life within matter, we are generating a three-dimensional form of existence. The physical body is three-dimensional, as are the materials with which we build our things. Everything that belongs to three-dimensionality is in constant evolution. Thus, it transforms - that is, it loses its form or dies. To say that something dies is merely to state that it has lost its form and transformed into something else. We fear this because it escapes our rational thinking, causing us to lose our sense of control and understanding. Yet, we must reason, even if we cannot fully comprehend, that death is synonymous with transformation, just like life. It is simply a natural flow! And what about evil? I like to think of evil as the deleterious residue of good. We are ambivalent beings, meaning we are full of doubts. We rarely have absolute certainty about anything. This doubt makes us vulnerable in the world, and to cope with it, we create small refuges where we feel protected. These refuges, however, accommodate only the self. My self, in its effort to protect itself amidst uncertainties, is profoundly selfish. Thus, even though we humans are capable of great creations, our fears and uncertainties can lead us to create evil as well. For this reason, I understand evil as an integral part of good, not its opposite. Many times, I have witnessed a good deed performed for someone that ended up causing harm to someone else nearby...This reasoning connects with Teilhard de Chardin's vision that the universe is in constant evolution and that life, death, good, and evil are part of a greater flow guided by an evolutionary direction. For Teilhard, death is not an end but a necessary transformation on the path of increasing complexity that leads to the Omega Point, the final stage of unification and full consciousness. Similarly, evil, in his perspective, can be understood as a byproduct of the evolutionary process. As humanity seeks to more fully integrate spirit and matter, human ambivalence and uncertainties create tensions that sometimes manifest as evil. However, these tensions drive growth by challenging humanity to overcome its own limitations and move toward greater integration of goodness, truth, and beauty. Thus, both death and evil are intrinsic parts of the evolutionary process toward a greater purpose, aligned with Teilhard de Chardin's spiritual and teleological vision...Carmem Farage, from Brazil. www.institutolumni.com.br
You laud a man who could not even bring himself to name the demon which possessed him? Society of Jesus? According to him, Jesus is not Christ, but one G.d amongst many. Pantheism. Babylon.
There seems to be a rise in the Christ consciousness idea, but apart from knowing Christ. This is part of the great delusion that is infiltrating the hearts and minds of this generation. Narrow is the way, and few there be that find it.
@@kenneth1767 Whatever this is, its certainly not Catholic, big or small "c," Ken. You used just the correct quote, as "narrow" perfectly describes Christ alone as the singular means to redemption. I'd ask why they call themselves "The Society of Jesus" at all were that not true and he was not The Christ.
@@e1ay3dme12 yes, one way only, through Jesus Christ. In a world where opinion is guarded as the holy right to every self proclaimed god, we are condemned for faith in the Truth. I stand in the truth of God's testimony: Jesus Christ.
it's kinda hard to believe that there would be anyone so anti-intellectual to call Teilhard a heretic (as seen in comments)... religion has always been used by anti-intellectuals to disempower people and enslave them -- and then there are those saints and spiritual masters who advance and evolve our ability to relate to and understand divinity, among whom Teilhard definitely belongs
Based on Eastern Mysticism and his own fantasies, in the end, because he fell in love with his own imagination. Theologians are disembodied soulless egg heads if they don't remember to pray once in while, they start getting a god complex ... and then here we are!
Kudos to the panelists for this stimulating intellectual discussion on Teilhard’s thoughts. This occurred in 2015, that’s 5 years ago. Too bad the public interest isn’t as wide as it could be. It says a lot about a society’s greater fascination with the mundane and trivial (even hateful discourse) instead of something more intellectual and cultivated such as this.
From the very beginning this conversation is a breath of fresh air. Earlier today I was listening to Nicholas Gruner and Chris Ferrara (The Fatima Center) and that gave me a sinking feeling about the future of Catholicism.
This is the great mistake of introducing platonic philosophy and modernism. Consider watching Jay Dyer and returning to the Dogmatic Church Councils and Holy Fathers like the Great St Athanasius.
The Catholicism of Ferrara is largely about 60 to 300 years in the past, and doesn't represent where Catholicism has been the last 60 years, and doesn't represent its future.
Never things will get not good - always better - no matter …. New Breathe ….. Breathe - love - like in front of a powerful ocean and smell the strength and learn to bring back your energies that the body needs for the organs to function and change the chemicals and be happy and relaxed and enjoy the surroundings above and beyond and be - and stay with a great vestibular balance to - walk …. To See different way more beautiful projections to recognize the nature -As All …in Love ……🌞
Everything bad exists - until really not recognized the power of - goodness - the power of love …. 😂And it is approved …..this is a great topic for the evolutionary workout in growing but sometimes it is too much but then it will manifest in other way in such a strong and strange way --😂that again it’s another step of being surprised - how the god or how all these - work amazingly so accurate - in time …..🌞
Par for the course for former Catholic Georgetown….was the guy not transformed by an encounter with a mysterious force? Was he not condemned by many popes until some modernists (jesuits) resurrected his thinking and worship his work? Sounds like it is better to stay away from this man.
Translation: His importance to aging Hippies. Everyone who's ever mentioned him to me has turned out to be a predator. Cardinal Bernardin was a monster.
Translation : "I've never read anything from him, but my religion tells me I did. So I'm going to deny everything because that's what my religion tells me. " h
@@janhaemhouts1193 That dosen't say much. You speak like someone that has no real understanding of historical context or of Chardin's scientific/theological positions. Chardin was writing right before the Second Vatican council, where the Church was still grappeling with modern changes in both science and philosophy. And he was never represed for ill or gain. But please keep conplaining about some generic force called "religion".
Excellent discussion, aside from the Chair, who was rambling, incoherent, and seemed to have problems recalling many of the necessary facts he was discussing.
The problem with linking God with evolution is that God becomes contingent on evolution rather than the other way around. The Holy Spirit may enlighten each mind and soul through prayer not through necessary experience or personal so-called development. I don't have to indulge in illicit sex to know illicit sex causes unhappiness. Through prayer God endows each soul with a knowledge of goodness without having to "evolve" or experience something to know it. This is why I feel Teilhard de Chardin is mistaken and dangerous, no matter how romantic he may have sound to many. God acts in the now and He deigns to come to those who seek His Help NOW. God retains perfect freedom in His action and is neither bound by matter nor the very laws of the universe He Himself Created.
This is time of union - the two circles -cycles making the Union - the eighth - appearance in horizontal way …..in every aspect of understanding every thing everything … like for the continuation of living form we need a feminine and a man gender and some action to be performed - we are being merging for preparing something else to enter the next thinking in that atmosphere of consciousness - upgrade with the spirit to aquatint you to the energies to the source to understand - God ……🌞
In the world of new technology - a new “technological “ human being must be constructed too …. Everyday being with and working on a human being with the brain to get all these different faculties exercising times the physiological and the biological and psychological body is in constant change and the body can’t be adjusted to the technological time …. New life style of existing exercising and understanding -All from the universe to personal universe and other universes must be understood bring together …yes….. in social in religious in scientific in spiritual in universal way to know ourselves and the universe new educational system need to explain the energy world with different scientists and even not scientists - trust the Nature in some way …. They are the takers to the higher frequencies and the most - must be explained scientifically and everything is there the theory and the physical influence and the entering new way of looking and feeling these world and not only fell but heal and love and experience it …. It’s just a subject of teaching and learning and exercising …….🌞
I am a Christian and i don`t know what these people are talking about-i understand Richard Dawkins when he speaks about evolution-i have listened to many Catholic Bible Expositors and they make sense to me-am i alone here ? -i am sure Teilhard may wonder what planet are these speakers from !
You picked the wrong video to watch. This is for Teilhard experts. Go watch Illia Delio’s Nurturing the Inner Self series. I’m sure you will understand and appreciate them.
You must have secret power. Can only be given by the pope. Go to your bathroom. Look in the mirror say “Francis, Francis baby Francis” three times. If your heart is true, the pope will give you this secret. Then you will understand. If not, watch the Disney Channel. Same thing.
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Check out De Lubac's book _The Religion of Teilhard de Chardin_ you will find there is nothing heretical about him, in fact it is a powerful vision of fulfillment in Christ strikingly near to the church fathers.
@@marianweigh6411 l think the book title sums his pantheism up nicely. There was gnostic heresy BC and there is gnostic heresy now. From The Piltdown Hoax and the Omega Point Hoax. His.causal ruination of the Jesuit Order is there for all to see now.
Evolution MAN MADE and Christianity...THE SOVEREIGN GOD with the belief in jesus Christ... his death and resurrection for mankind's salvation do not share anything in any way
Hate to say this but TDC's "mindlessness" is indeed "mindlessness". Metaphysical matter? Ugh. I would prefer the science of Wittgenstein "wowon mann nicht sprechen kann, err muss daruber sweigen." Past is prologue and the future cannot necessarily be anymore of a clarification of the past than what we have already experience. Pull of the future? God is not time. Look at all the grey hairs in the room. Ugh.
They look and sound like Theosophists, now that is a damning crit. How they gonna save Globulous Gaia and the Borg click and collect point? They couldn't even save their own sanity.
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"We are not human beings who have a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings who have a human experience." (QUOTE: Pierre Teilhard de Chardin)
Hallmark card drivel
The discussion starts 21:47
I only found out about Teilhard 2 days ago and my mind and my heart are utterly blown. I feel such a connection to this man and his thoughts. I cannot wait to read around his works. This is EXACTLY the approach I was looking for and which I feel the world so so so needs, Ive had a rubbish 18 months. The world has had a rubbish 2 years..it's February 2022 and my goodness...perfect timing for me. I get so fed up of some scientists saying that God and science cannot exist. This is exactly why they can. Humanity knows what is right and true, they know what is God, whatever their God..technology etc is a tool to use. Like a knife, it can kill but only used by a deranged mind, it is also something that cuts food. Humanity should wonder, be deligted, learn, teach, be guardians yet be children. I pray (not every night mind...;) that humanity evolves into something more kinder, more ethical, more compassionate. Merci x
Beautiful.
Yes beautiful comment, thanks for sharing. I had a similar experience and feeling discovering Teilhard a few years ago, I've never resonated so exactly with someone's thinking and logic, etc as much as Teilhard
The world needs a perennial philosophy of pantheism? Just join the UN funded theosophical society lol. Join the religion of the beast.
He was demonic
Many times in this video they talk about the importance of developing shared consciousness and moving away from individualism. The Catholic Church does a good job with this through its mix of: a) developing and improving theology and philosophy as a group effort across many centuries. Thus, rather than any individual Pope coming along and declaring that all of his individual views are right and should replace all past views, the Popes respect the collective efforts of lots of popes, theologians, philosophers and writers that came before. At the same time, most popes in the last 100 years have adjusted, improved or evolved a few sizable parts or several parts of the church’s overall body of teachings and positions.
Another major feature is periodic councils and / or synods that gather together groups of people to work on clarifying and/or improving the Church’s positions and approaches. Thus it’s largely a shared, collective endeavor, but individuals play a role.
b) placing very good emphasis on the dignity of individual humans including on human rights and protections.
c) asking people to (within reason) submit to the whole of mother Church even though we in our “individual minds” may think that the Church isn’t right on a few points. When I was younger and more rebellious and had less humility, I really disliked this aspect of the Catholic Church. But after learning over the course of time through experience that the Church was right about some key things that I (in my younger days) thought it was wrong about … that has taught me greater humility plus made me more able and willing to give the Church the benefit of the doubt, and give weight to the real possibility that it could well be very right about the few things that I currently still think it’s not right about.
Related to that, I’ve also come to realize that a good amount of unity of the Church is important; and made me disinclined to support the extremes of the far left and far right that cause too much divisiveness in the Church. In that respect, I’m highly appreciative of Pope Francis who I think occupies a middle ground between the extremes in a way that is kind and rational and in line with Jesus’s teachings.
While there is some emphasis on submitting to the whole, it’s balanced with a strong emphasis on the dignity of individuals and their rights and protections. One of the weaknesses in a lot of eastern areas of the world is a strong emphasis on the collective, but not much emphasis on the dignity of the individuals and their rights and protections.
Thank you so much to each person who participated in this engaging and illuminating conversation and for each person who helped create the video and make it public.
Discovered Teilhard in the 60s and so glad YT decided to pop this up, even belatedly. I read and reread his works. His coming into public view at the same time as the Vatican Council in the 60s brought Catholicity and by extension all Christianity into a bold, new Light. From then to this day I say the prayer he composed and prayed at the Consecration daily when he said Mass. You may want to learn it, too. During the raising up of the Host he said “Over every living thing which is to spring up, to grow, to flower, to ripen during this day, I say again the words ‘This is my Body’.” Then, raising up the chalice he continued “And over every death force which waits in readiness to corrode, to wither, to cut down, I say again the words, the mystery of faith, ‘This is my Blood’.” Perhaps I’ve not remembered it word by word as he said it, but that’s close and how I’ve prayed it for 60 years. Teilhard is my primary mystic, the root and foundation of a lifetime of living with one foot on the earth and one in heaven. In heaven with him, among others. Blessings to all who respect him. “Everything that rises must converge.”
How timely - appreciated deeply 5 minute encapsulizations from different perspectives - thank you!
A FANTASTIC discussion!.
This was an amazing 90 min discussion about Teilhard's thinking, perceptions, awareness, vision and relevance to today. Each of the panel were able to bring insights from within their own specific fields to contribute to shaping a more holistic understanding of Teilhard. The interchange was respectful and well chaired - thank you so much. I am going to pass this video on to many friends.
Jesuits will burn in hell.
"Jesuits will burn in hell."
Why? What kind of "God" do you pray to?
@Carpenter's Son What do you know of the Jesuits lmao
Please don't.
@@jesuschristmyking8644Teilhard will get them out. You can come, too.
Hi people, I have come to you to pray for my stepmother who is coughing for two weeks. Than you só much
LE FERMATON vs L'UNITÉ PENSANTE
Le fermaton( La plus petite unité de la conscience humaine) du Dr Clovis Simard est L'expression mathématiquee de L'UNITÉ PENSANTE DE TEILHARD DE CHARDIN.
Thank you, although I found the introduction a bit long, I have totally enjoyed this. It was wonderful to hear the different perspectives. I've listened to some other lectures of someone of wisdom that I value highly and who also valued Teilhard ideas and although those lectures weren't specifically about Teilhard now listening to this it became much more clear to me how Teilhard's influence also became more obvious in that persons presentation.
I'm new to Teilhard and this idea of the noosphere, but what I have gathered so far is that he was a very optimistic person that believed humanity's progress was tethered to our ability to connect with one another, and that as we progress that level of connection will continue to go up; eventually culminating to a point at which all humans will represent a shared consciousness with one another, which he described as reaching the point of Omega. Sounds like a pretty positive guy to me. Liked John's comment at the end, "that while reading Teilhard his feelings of Disgust and anger evaporates".
If you read more of Teilhard de Chardin, you'll be surprised to discover that he was ideologically aligned with the KKK
Even though I love Teilhard, I don't understand his optimism toward where the world is heading, especially that he lived through war times! I live through war times now in the Middle East, & I can see that the world is heading toward collective destruction! We are all dying, & our rising awareness of our collective journey is similar to the heightened awareness that is illuminated in the human consciousness right before their death!
Teilhard was not talking about just physical end of the world, but the holistic consummation of all things in a sole realm which he identified as the Omega point. In this end, there will be an extinction of all matters and all will become one with the mystic Omega which he identified as Christ. it wasn't necessarily how the world ends, but in which phenomenon it will be consumed.
I believe that his optimism even in time of war comes from his faith that death is not the end.. Thank you very much for your comment and I send you all my love.
@@johnmchugh7984 WOW, your words are amazing John, & it comes at a perfect timing in my life to which I'm awakening to this very truth! That death in this life is not the end, this world is not the end at all! We misperceive that this life is all that is because of our empirical scientific indoctrination & limited present/time perception...
Thank you so much John, & I send you my love too from across spacetime :-D
@@LinusAkali Teilhard did not believe that all matter will be consumed. Catholics believe in the resurrection of the body and the eternal life of all of Creation except evil. We are sacramentalists and our central sacrament recognizes materiality itself as God
Teilhard looks at the playing out ot the Crucifixion in the Earth and points it out. Creation is God's body in a profound sense and we are crucifying Him with our murder of the planet
I like it so much
To my mind the spiritual repercussion of the Atom Bomb is de Chardins most imporrtant contribution to the current global conversations and consideration of the human future !
Teilhard has shown the relevance of Christianity for today and the future. Thank You.
Nah, Teilhard de Chardin was just a Klansman at heart
If you wish to know more about Teilhard, I really recommend you watch this video!:
ua-cam.com/video/fSNU-jlHkDs/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AmazingDiscoveries
52:20 and 1:02:37 best moments for sure, other key moments: 22:10 - 23:00, 40:00 - 46:30 , 48:25 !!
Warning: this video is:
PAGAN PRACTICES EXPOSED | THE UN AND ITS OCCULT AGENDA
All conspiracy theorists welcome!
If you want to know more about God check out the catechism, sorry no Sufism but hey it is the Catholic Church at the end of the day..... Isn't it? Where am l.... Did l dream all this?
Can anyone just make stuff up now and talk about the Omnicron mind meld or other comic book Borg collective tosh?
tielhard learned from nature....he saw change over time....he saw the power of love and he recognized the unique blindness in humans which calcifies and restricts the ability to share the energy of love....he recognized the explosion of life that occurs when two unique entities join unencumbered in perfect harmony - perfect union after having perfectly shed their darkness, he saw the subtle force of evolution in each explosion of life, he saw nature as a sacred teacher of rhythms and patterns, in each conception he recognized a subtle yearning towards one, he saw parallels in nature to our lives and through his work encouraged us to look to all the processes in nature to realize our true nature...
Many people on the comments seem to be against him because of his stance on the sciences. Many people don't realize how many Jesuits were well educated and how certain sciences like Chemistry was founded under religious pretenses lol
This is some deep hippy trippy ...
anyway, back in God's world
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A God of Love is the one God of creation -- en evolutionary creation. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit -- the one God began this creation. I am pleased with this panel and other theologians who dared to speak of Theihard's theory of evolutionary creation
The ideas of Teilhard, which really are the ideas of Jesus, can Unite humanity. Only the infinite, boundless, altruistic, and divine Merciful Love that is God can do that. This Love can save and Unite all things. Human consciousness is evolving to understand this more and more, and through this evolution, we will join together as a holy communion of saints. The future of humanity is bright. May all of humanity receive the light of this message.
Evolutionary creation sounds like an oxymoron.
I'm not a fan of a demon god who allows billions of years of death starvation struggle for survival, hurricanes, extinctions, tornadoes, horrible mutations, cancers, diseases, and others before sun western existed
Evolution is a lie
@@kenneth1767 Every so often in these comments, there's a Catholic comment.
He taught new age and his books could not be sold in Catholic book stores. He also talked about being possessed by a fireball of light that said it would be damned along with him or be saved with him. This does not sound like the holy spirit.
We are accustomed to thinking of evil and death as being the opposite of good and life. However, we are mistaken. Good is not the opposite of evil, just as life is not the opposite of death.
Death is a creation of life, and evil is the residue of good.
When we create life within matter, we are generating a three-dimensional form of existence. The physical body is three-dimensional, as are the materials with which we build our things. Everything that belongs to three-dimensionality is in constant evolution.
Thus, it transforms - that is, it loses its form or dies. To say that something dies is merely to state that it has lost its form and transformed into something else. We fear this because it escapes our rational thinking, causing us to lose our sense of control and understanding. Yet, we must reason, even if we cannot fully comprehend, that death is synonymous with transformation, just like life. It is simply a natural flow!
And what about evil? I like to think of evil as the deleterious residue of good. We are ambivalent beings, meaning we are full of doubts. We rarely have absolute certainty about anything. This doubt makes us vulnerable in the world, and to cope with it, we create small refuges where we feel protected. These refuges, however, accommodate only the self.
My self, in its effort to protect itself amidst uncertainties, is profoundly selfish. Thus, even though we humans are capable of great creations, our fears and uncertainties can lead us to create evil as well.
For this reason, I understand evil as an integral part of good, not its opposite. Many times, I have witnessed a good deed performed for someone that ended up causing harm to someone else nearby...This reasoning connects with Teilhard de Chardin's vision that the universe is in constant evolution and that life, death, good, and evil are part of a greater flow guided by an evolutionary direction. For Teilhard, death is not an end but a necessary transformation on the path of increasing complexity that leads to the Omega Point, the final stage of unification and full consciousness.
Similarly, evil, in his perspective, can be understood as a byproduct of the evolutionary process. As humanity seeks to more fully integrate spirit and matter, human ambivalence and uncertainties create tensions that sometimes manifest as evil. However, these tensions drive growth by challenging humanity to overcome its own limitations and move toward greater integration of goodness, truth, and beauty.
Thus, both death and evil are intrinsic parts of the evolutionary process toward a greater purpose, aligned with Teilhard de Chardin's spiritual and teleological vision...Carmem Farage, from Brazil.
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My favorite quote of anyone.
You laud a man who could not even bring himself to name the demon which possessed him?
Society of Jesus? According to him, Jesus is not Christ, but one G.d amongst many. Pantheism. Babylon.
There seems to be a rise in the Christ consciousness idea, but apart from knowing Christ. This is part of the great delusion that is infiltrating the hearts and minds of this generation. Narrow is the way, and few there be that find it.
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Whatever this is, its certainly not Catholic, big or small "c," Ken.
You used just the correct quote, as "narrow" perfectly describes Christ alone
as the singular means to redemption.
I'd ask why they call themselves "The Society of Jesus" at all were that not true and he was not The Christ.
@@e1ay3dme12 yes, one way only, through Jesus Christ. In a world where opinion is guarded as the holy right to every self proclaimed god, we are condemned for faith in the Truth. I stand in the truth of God's testimony: Jesus Christ.
it's kinda hard to believe that there would be anyone so anti-intellectual to call Teilhard a heretic (as seen in comments)... religion has always been used by anti-intellectuals to disempower people and enslave them -- and then there are those saints and spiritual masters who advance and evolve our ability to relate to and understand divinity, among whom Teilhard definitely belongs
To what extent is Pere de Chardin's theology based on Hegel?
Hell sure will be huge in populace...thats for sure.
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Do you pray to a sadist God?
Isn't that a very cynical and blasphemic notion of God?
100!
Based on Eastern Mysticism and his own fantasies, in the end, because he fell in love with his own imagination.
Theologians are disembodied soulless egg heads if they don't remember to pray once in while, they start getting a god complex ... and then here we are!
Starts at 24:19
Kudos to the panelists for this stimulating intellectual discussion on Teilhard’s thoughts. This occurred in 2015, that’s 5 years ago. Too bad the public interest isn’t as wide as it could be. It says a lot about a society’s greater fascination with the mundane and trivial (even hateful discourse) instead of something more intellectual and cultivated such as this.
Where can I find his seven series of sense?
From the very beginning this conversation is a breath of fresh air. Earlier today I was listening to Nicholas Gruner and Chris Ferrara (The Fatima Center) and that gave me a sinking feeling about the future of Catholicism.
This is the great mistake of introducing platonic philosophy and modernism. Consider watching Jay Dyer and returning to the Dogmatic Church Councils and Holy Fathers like the Great St Athanasius.
The Catholicism of Ferrara is largely about 60 to 300 years in the past, and doesn't represent where Catholicism has been the last 60 years, and doesn't represent its future.
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A wonderful discussion.
🎂Pierre Teilhard de Chardin SJ 05-01-2022
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Par for the course for former Catholic Georgetown….was the guy not transformed by an encounter with a mysterious force? Was he not condemned by many popes until some modernists (jesuits) resurrected his thinking and worship his work? Sounds like it is better to stay away from this man.
Translation: His importance to aging Hippies.
Everyone who's ever mentioned him to me has turned out to be a predator.
Cardinal Bernardin was a monster.
Translation : "I've never read anything from him, but my religion tells me I did. So I'm going to deny everything because that's what my religion tells me. " h
@@janhaemhouts1193 You aren't that daft are you? Chardin was firstly a Priest, so you complaning about religion is laughable.
@@notana.i9423 His book wasnt published because of the roman church until he was dead.... so yes religion.
@@janhaemhouts1193 That dosen't say much. You speak like someone that has no real understanding of historical context or of Chardin's scientific/theological positions.
Chardin was writing right before the Second Vatican council, where the Church was still grappeling with modern changes in both science and philosophy. And he was never represed for ill or gain.
But please keep conplaining about some generic force called "religion".
Bringing inconvenient facts, much to canon law loophole lawyers disgust. Thanks be to God!
Excellent discussion, aside from the Chair, who was rambling, incoherent, and seemed to have problems recalling many of the necessary facts he was discussing.
Fr. Teilhard was possessed by an evil spirit, and his writings were condemned twice by the Holy See. Avoid him if you value your soul.
Teilhard was in Grave Apostasy. Return to the writings of the Holy Fathers of the Church. Do not embrace the error of Modernism.
Bob & Mickey sent me. Mario's son quit today. Coincidence?
His importance in the 21st century lies in how much of it was corrupted by his ideas.
Sanity
The problem with linking God with evolution is that God becomes contingent on evolution rather than the other way around. The Holy Spirit may enlighten each mind and soul through prayer not through necessary experience or personal so-called development. I don't have to indulge in illicit sex to know illicit sex causes unhappiness. Through prayer God endows each soul with a knowledge of goodness without having to "evolve" or experience something to know it. This is why I feel Teilhard de Chardin is mistaken and dangerous, no matter how romantic he may have sound to many. God acts in the now and He deigns to come to those who seek His Help NOW. God retains perfect freedom in His action and is neither bound by matter nor the very laws of the universe He Himself Created.
I think it is a logical error to tie God to evolution and not the other way around. Evolution is merely the process of how living organisms evolved.
A Priest in Georgetown sounds like the Exorcist.
This is time of union - the two circles -cycles making the Union - the eighth - appearance in horizontal way …..in every aspect of understanding every thing everything … like for the continuation of living form we need a feminine and a man gender and some action to be performed - we are being merging for preparing something else to enter the next thinking in that atmosphere of consciousness - upgrade with the spirit to aquatint you to the energies to the source to understand - God ……🌞
New Age channelling just never goes out of fashion does it. Those Fox sisters really were onto something!
very misunderstood men he discovered the omega point sad that humanity neglects wisdom and loves ignorance
psh
Sad that Teilhard de Chardin was a white supremacist
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This is not Catholic!
I am a Christian and i don`t know what these people are talking about-i understand Richard Dawkins when he speaks about evolution-i have listened to many Catholic Bible Expositors and they make sense to me-am i alone here ? -i am sure Teilhard may wonder what planet are these speakers from !
Yes these are psuedo-academics.
You picked the wrong video to watch. This is for Teilhard experts. Go watch Illia Delio’s Nurturing the Inner Self series. I’m sure you will understand and appreciate them.
You must have secret power. Can only be given by the pope. Go to your bathroom. Look in the mirror say “Francis, Francis baby Francis” three times. If your heart is true, the pope will give you this secret. Then you will understand. If not, watch the Disney Channel. Same thing.
@@tombradburn3935 "Nurturing the inner self"
Not at all self absorbed and Narcissistic.
These comments are comedy gold.
@@tombradburn3935 Catholic truth and Teihard are the opposite and I'll take catholic truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
new age nonsense
Teilhard's vision of Enlightenment was prophetic.
One only needs to see the supremacy of atheism and fundamentalism to confirm that.
Did you mean humanist, fraternal and Luciferian?
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Where error runs rampant there is no God, but Satan. Teilhard was an enemy of Christ.
An arch-heretic, It is very important to study his works in order to be able to fight his heresies.
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God is dead. Let's move on maybe
@@janhaemhouts1193 You're Chardin's greatest product you are, you are his own private Omega point 🤣🤣🤣
Check out De Lubac's book _The Religion of Teilhard de Chardin_ you will find there is nothing heretical about him, in fact it is a powerful vision of fulfillment in Christ strikingly near to the church fathers.
@@marianweigh6411 l think the book title sums his pantheism up nicely. There was gnostic heresy BC and there is gnostic heresy now.
From The Piltdown Hoax and the Omega Point Hoax. His.causal ruination of the Jesuit Order is there for all to see now.
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I'll leave the heresy question to the theologians, but it's definitely pseudoscientific nonsense.
Satanic
Evolution MAN MADE and Christianity...THE SOVEREIGN GOD with
the belief in jesus Christ...
his death and resurrection for mankind's salvation do not share anything in any way
Lol have another bong bro
Hate to say this but TDC's "mindlessness" is indeed "mindlessness". Metaphysical matter? Ugh. I would prefer the science of Wittgenstein "wowon mann nicht sprechen kann, err muss daruber sweigen." Past is prologue and the future cannot necessarily be anymore of a clarification of the past than what we have already experience. Pull of the future? God is not time. Look at all the grey hairs in the room. Ugh.
They look and sound like Theosophists, now that is a damning crit. How they gonna save Globulous Gaia and the Borg click and collect point? They couldn't even save their own sanity.