My partner has a lot of tools, so when he needed a circular saw, I ordered this one for him as a Christmas gift. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxYDKeIjKLOfcwTgdin7TtCutsz4MbIc43 He is incredibly happy with the purchase. He stated that he likes that it is powerful, but still easy to use and cuts very well. He mentioned that it is important to know the right tools for the job at hand, and this compact saw has been exactly what he needed for a variety of projects at his rental properties and renovations. He also appreciates the battery packs, as stated, he owns a lot of DEWALT tools, so he is able to always keep batteries charged as needed.
Years ago I bought a Ryobi tool with 2 batteries. The OEM Batteries crapped out on me within just over a year. Bought 2 aftermarket 4ah batteries off Ebay. Holy Moly!!! I've had them for nearly 5 years and they still are going strong. I've had to cycle them once or twice when there has been a long lag between uses but I use them pretty often. I'm actually getting rid of the tools before the batteries had the chance to go bad! And those two batteries cost me about $56.
There is another factor on run time.. battery life will extend a bit after it has been cycled a few times. Comparing a used Dewalt to a brand new generic isn't absolutely a perfect comparison.. You might get a little back from the 3 minute run time difference between the two
the angle of the line to be adjusted on the x or y axis for laying out slopes. Angle adjustment is by pushing one of two buttons and has very fine increments. The square shape of the tool makes it easy to square the x axis and y axis to the walls of an enclosed area like a garage. When squared, a slope can be laid-out in either or both axis with a compound slope having a high-point in one corner and a low point opposite that corner. The tool can also be put on its side in this mode to project a line onto floor, ceiling and walls.As you would expect at the price the tool is ruggedly built for professional use.*
I bought some of those exact cheap ones from amazon 2 -3 years ago they are still going strong. I did have to open 2 and resolder the battery connections in them. But I've definitely got my money's worth out of em. Would buy again
Like you and many others; I for one am very satisfied with my Amazon dollar that goes a long way and there delivery is second to none, I do wish their customer service was in America putting Americans to work?
Good comparison and makes the point, that the cheaper battery isn't up to par BUT the price point is there. You could buy more batteries for the same price and have even more charge. No, they probably won't hold up as well. I think one more test would be the actual output of the tool. My experience is that sometimes the better battery, the tool will perform better. It's amperage/voltage draw on load. Had some Makita cordless tolds and there was a difference in it's performance with the factory battery. With the aftermarket battery, after one or two uses, there was a drop, while the factory Makita battery it performed full power until the end of the charge.
Same here. The Amazon battery showed 3 bars but was it fully charged. Either way, great video. Thanks for confirming my suspicions and I do agree. The cheaper battery is not a bad investment. (Assuming that it withstands the test of time) Thanks again
I bought two of those generics. A solder joint came loose on one, and the case broke on the other. They just don't hold up to being dropped off an extension ladder 3 or 4 times a week like the Dewalts do. Sometimes I'll drop a cordless from a high height, look down at it and think "I had to kill it this time" Nope! The battery will fly 15 feet away from the drill, I plug it back in and back to work. I'm amazed!
I bought two of those generic batteries. The top plastic case broke on one of them, and I swapped it with an old Dewalt battery. The other one just stopped working. I'm assuming that I dropped it, and broke an electrical connection inside. I think that must be how I broke the 1st battery too. I'm always dropping the screw guns. So I assume that the generics aren't as tough as the Dewalts.
I bought two Vanon batteries for my Milwaukee vacuum. Works out pretty good. So then I bought a four pack Vanon for some Dewalt tools I acquired from a retiring locksmith. No complaints here so far.
Haha the ending😂 great video. You are like a real world tool review channel kind of. I like how you don't show a strong opinion on tools based on specs but rather how the tool performs in real life
autobody TRUE !!!!! I was looking to upgrade my older Skil cordless drills to the Lithium ion battery BUT Skil no longer has the Lion up grade batteries available, they brought out a new line of 20 volt tools. An after market lion replacement is right at $100 !!!! One battery !!!! I bought a new Worx 3/8" 20 volt Lithium ion drill with TWO batteries and a charges for $61 frt prepaid !!!! From worx as an open box !!! I already have other worx tools so now I will have 5 batteries and 4 chargers. OOOOOOH I also bought the 6 1/2" circular saw with 1 battery and charger for $74 !!!!! Also an open box !!!!
Sets can be cheaper for several reasons. When you’re buying the set, they know you may be 1) debating an upgrade within dewalt, or more $valuable to them, considering coming over from a competitor’s platform. On flip side, When you’re in the middle of a job and your battery’s Not cutting it, you’re their captive audience. You’re more price insensitive and they know it.
One thing to consider is thermal overload protection and proper venting of gases, carelessly chucking your tools in the back of your van might burn down more than 20% of your van and other tools.
I've had pretty good luck with mine, I got the 2 pack of 5ah enigitech brand ones off Amazon Canada (not sure if that's spelled correctly) ive had them about 2 years, I use them for work on a daily basis. I don't have any DeWalt 5ah to compare them to, but they beat the 3ah for sure. Never had any issues with them.
I have both after market & the dewalt. the dewalt really last longer at least 30% , i have found some after market at 1/3 the price the really cool thing is the case is the same so when the less expensive batteries died after many hard cycles , grinders, sawzall, and skill saw, I was able to swap the batteries that were good but a broken case, (Yes i have several cheap batteries that the cases are broke) but have recently found new aftermarket cases for 10$.
Those are 18650 3.7V battery cells inside of the amazon battery. They are good cells which are often used in laptop batteries and I used 20 of them to make a very long lasting battery for my kid's power wheel car.
Wouldn't the dewalt be better. Since it last longer on a full charge means it would be recharged less and recharging less giving it a longer life expectancy, meaning buying batteries less often ?
I bought two of those no name batteries. One quit working, and the other broke. The casing broke, probably when i dropped a drill, or something, but I never broke a Dewalt casing.
I bought 2 of them about 3 years ago. I now own 4. All 4 are nearly 3.5 years old. They don't seem to last quite as long as the dewalt, but it's so miniscule only someone who uses their dewalt power tools every day or at least 5 days a week like I do would notice. At the time, I paid 70 bucks for the pair. 20v 5ah. I have no complaints, and I mostly use mine on a DCF899B model impact. And it's no joke. 700 ft-lbs torque and 1200 ft-lbs breakaway. I use it a lot, and these batteries hold up pretty well.
True! I've seen them improve 10-15% over 3-4 cycles! A better test would be to isolate 1 cell and do a capacity test with an iMax or similar capacity tester. If they advertise 5Ah and the cell shows well under 2.5 Ah, you know they're lying.
You definitively get what you pay for with batteries. in my experience genuine dewalt, makita, canon , Panasonic, whatever has always been vastly superior. Longer life. Longer run time and something no one ever thinks about is stand by time. if you dont use a piece of equipment for a while, the battery goes flat. i noticed that genuine batteries stay charged for a very long time. So you can pick up that tool, battery pack or whatever and it works...even months later!
Try looking at the power outputs. Impact vs heavy drilling. I bought a knockoff Milwaukee one and it didn’t have near as much power or longevity especially once I put it in a drill or sawzall
I have aftermarket makita batteries 1 is 6 years old still going another 3 They don't have the power the original does but they work well in non high Amp draw tools
You can buy boxes of those internal batteries, if the pack stops charging its likely a desolder in the small board. Just fix it. When the cells give up replace them.
You cant bro theyre spot welded. it's a big no no to even try using soldering iron on the negative side of a lithium battery unless you want to encourage thermal runaway and blow the damn thing up
Hi, Sean: Great video. I know its old video and things may change. However, could you let me know which brand or the seller you are buying from? I know these generic batteries quality varying a lot so knowing from whom you were buying from is important.
Bought these amazon Dewalt aftermarket batteries as did a mate, all of them died at approx 3 month point. Buy cheap buy twice. They all claimed 5yr warranty, none of the sellers would honour the warranty
Did you by any chance expose them to hot temperatures? I didn't know lithium batteries die if you leave them in a hot car /w no direct sunlight. Had two 18650 genuine panasonic 3400mah's bite the dust this way.
@@edb9688 So the cheap ones have or don't have battery current protection circuits. I saw AvE take one apart and there is no protection. That means they can explode. Not worth burning your house down just to save a few bucks.
I have a Cheap one and a dewalt apart on my desk, the funny thing is the dewalt has a heat shield and some melted plastic. The cheap one the plastic is thinner and not in tight contact so no burned plastic. The xr or 4 ah dewalt lasts about the same time in my impacts , and light duty drill, led flashlights. But in the saws all or grinders they die quickly, I believe they are factory seconds but they have been lasting for me and my crew, the biggest problem is broken cases, I found new cases online today for 10$ to make sure they would fit I swapped my real dewalt with a cheap one and they fit, I did see the board but did not look closely, will look closer tomorrow.
I haven’t watched this video yet but I do hvac and I can tell you from experience those generic brands do not last compare to the xr. Both of mines only servived 3months. Spend the extra money and go with the xr
It will be interesting to see how many charges you get out of the no-name battery. Cheaper isn’t always better especially if the tool is used in a trade.
I've had 4 of them for almost 4 years. They perform flawlessly. I've charged them so many times I can't count. I have nothing negative to say about them. I was skeptical when I bought them but ended up buying 2 more. They really have held up well.
Hi there, Good video and here in the uk we can get them even cheaper!. However I can not find out if you can charge the 20volt batteries with a dewalt 18volt charger. I contacted Dewalt and they say you can not. I have also contacted the cheaper battery firms and had no replies. Have you charged one yet? Regards
Or you can get adapters that will run DeWalt from a Mikwaukee battery and vice-versa. Also adapters to run the old 18v DeWalt from a Mikwaukee or DeWalt XR battery, I use these on my old nail guns, and use Dewalt or Milwaukee to run that occasional Ryobi tool you may have... They do have the Ridgid adapters as well out of Australia, kinda pricey though... One thing I discovered, one of the adapters I ordered actuallly works with both DeWalt and milwaukee batteries, but I can't remember if it's for the Dewalt 18v or Ryobi tools. I need to make a video on these. I am now at the point where I will order these off brand batteries as well.
I'm a sheetmetal worker. I go through about 2 5ah batteries a day minimum. All my work buy is the Amazon generics. We go through them left and right. A 2-6 month life span is a good estimate. My old work only bought dewalt brand. Rarely had to replace them. Unless physical abuse like dropped out of a man lift. But if just wanting some cheap backups that gonna just use once in awhile. The generics do work
did you make 100% the amazon battery was charged I mean not charged from inside the package but given time to charge? I want to make the playing field even.
He did a follow up just a week later and said the generic battery sucked. It wouldn't take a full charge and wouldn't run for more an a couple minutes. ua-cam.com/video/NcEZXMpXVCM/v-deo.html
I understand the cost savings vs run times. I might consider the time it takes to switch out a battery when you run out of power in a up in a gable end on a pump jack or on your back in a crawl space. Thanks for making the video
There was a 4 minute difference in the run time. At some point you are going to have to swap batteries anyway. So factoring that in would make no sense in testing.
As a Amazon buyer, most everything they sell seems to be very good quality, if anyone has problems they will gladly take it back and give full credit, no excuses the very best in service and no long waits for customer service, I have never found another company like Amazon... Regarding the run time; try charging and discharging the battery a few times and often it will gain more longevity after a few uses, my question is how long will the Amazon battery last compared with the other brands???
Even if the amazon battery showed full charge on 3RD BAR, It may have needed to still be charged fully. *3 BAR INDICATOR ( low from 0 up to = 33%, med from 31% up to 66%, Full = 67% up to 100% )* 0:52 THIS MAY BE A INVALID TEST, IF ( NEW BATTERY) WASNT FULLY CHARGED AT THE START. *YOUR MATH IS HILARIOUS ! ! !* 4:22
Couple weeks ago I bought two 5.0 amp 20volt aftermarket batteries for my DeWalt tools, with the $10 coupon they were less than $32. (for both!) They are Comrgike brand. I have not used this brand before, but I have other brands and have had very good luck with them. If nothing else, I would think they will eventually force the major companies into reducing their way overpriced batteries. Thanks for the video.
Unfortunately, both brands in one way or another, are slowly working towards made in China under supposed" American standards!" What happened to made in the USA?
How old (cycles) was the Dewalt battery? It probably isn't a valid comparison unless it was fairly new. Also, I'm really interested in how long they hold up (cycles). I'm looking for a test that compares that.
to be fair if you had just charged the dewalt you should have also charged the replacement as it might have shown full charge but could have been off a bit from sitting.
Not saying that the test wasn't useful, but since Liion batteries are known to gain capacity after a few charges and the LED "bar meters" aren't precise, I'd repeat the run and discharge a few more times on the generic and see if the result changes. Also aftermarket batteries aren't consistent from run to run or even item to item, so I'd look for a trusted seller who warrantees what they sell, and test a second battery. Also, its normal practice when testing an unbranded product to give a link to the ad where you ordered it from so viewers can get the same product.
I bought the identical battery on Amazon and couldn't happier. The two I bought have held up well and I have not experienced any defects in their use. I haven't torn the batteries apart so I can't state that they have all the safety features that DeWalt incorporates in their batteries, but frankly, I don't care. It's not worth the price for me to worry about some dubious safety features. DeWalt products are good and innovative but the company appears to be going the route that Snap-On took years ago. Notably, sending their prices to the stratosphere. I hope DeWalt (actually Stanley/Black and Decker) recognizes the fact that its nice to offer high quality tools, but as you raise your prices fewer and fewer people will be able to afford buying them. Market share will go down, then copycat companies like Harbor Freight will suck up its lost market share.
Hey my blower is like your blower and it cut out on me. Do you know how to fix it? I tried taking it apart but some plastic pieces are glued together. So I’m stuck
Good video, when making a video like this it may be worth it to mention the battery pack warranty. Dewalt is 3 years. pretty sure after the 30 day amazon return period the other pack is just a hassle if there is ever an issue. Also, with the cheap pack i notice they do not last as long under heavy load. an unrestricted blowers wont work a pack nearly as hard as drilling holes of saw cuts. I understand doing a time comparison but time only matters for the blower. Cut/holes per charge is what really matters and half of the cheap batteries hit their thermal shutoff before fully discharging so something to keep in mind. Peace out! Sincerely Dewalt fanboy.
As you took it apart, surely you noticed the difference in protection of vital components? As long as you don't drop the Chinese counterpart, the comparison is fine..
Do they have a generic battery for milwaukee. The Lithium batteries I have, need to be charged every time I use them. My dewalt batteries work great, still have the originals and they HOLD their charge.
My foreman thought he would save money buying some generic NiCad batteries for the Makita drill/drivers we have all over the shop, the Genuine NiCad Makita batteries ran about $50 each, he found these other ones for $25 and they had no name on them LOL. I noticed they weighed like half what the real ones weigh, maybe not half but noticeably lighter, we also noticed their run time and especially their lifespan before they had to be thrown away was a lot shorter- DUH! they cost half the price and apparently had HALF the material inside, thus the much lighter weight. You get what you pay for in most cases, cheap batteries are cheaper because they have less everything in them, poorer quality, and less lifespan, so those cheaper $25 batteries wound up costing the same as the real Makita batteries in the end, maybe a little more when you consider disposal costs of 2 batteries instead of one. We use these Makitas all day long every day and have batteries right now from Makita that are from as old as 2006-2012 (I date all tools and batts when they are bought) that still hold their charge and work, and they get hard use. The $25 batteries started failing in a few months, and recently I noticed about 3 more them no longer hold a charge.
contractor grade tools and batteries have to cost more than consumer grade stuff. If a consumer only occasionally uses a tool then maybe cheap batteries will work fine in it for years. A contractor working every day has higher requirements. Kinda like a light duty pickup passenger car substitute that will occasionally hall a few hundred pounds of cargo is great for its purpose, but will break down in. a hurry if it has to carry a maximum load on rough job sites every day. Our capitalist system ain't perfect, but it's great to have as many choices as possible. No one product is ideal for everybody.
I buy similar knock off batteries for my Hitachi 18V tools off ebay for 25 bucks (4 ah), and have yet to have a problem. I finished 35 feet of fence on one battery with my circ saw, and it almost made it. That's cutting treated 2x4 and 2x12 (rot board). The battery was hot when it finally ran out, but cooled it off put it on the charger and fired up again like new. Lithium is the shit, but screw paying 80 bucks if you can pretty much do the same amount of work for less than half. I had the other battery ready to finish up. Rarely you use the full charge before recharging anyway. If you don't have to have a cord, why have one. I'm more worried about the motors burning up now.
I agree totally. Screw Big Box Huge prices for battery packs in a store. I'm going with Generics on Ebay from now on, well worth it. I just ordered 2 x M12-6.0ah batteries for $16 delivered to my house. I don't expect them to be close to 6ah, but Unless they are full of rocks or don't work at all, I've got my moneys worth on 1 project. LOL
David FP you do understand the batteries used in these are not new manufacture cells, they are pulled from dead electronics and they do not come close to the same safeties. The do not have thermal over load protection, these do not have over current protections. Also every manufacturer will void your warranty if they find evidence of these being used. AvE did a tear down on this and explain in detail the differences and it is scary bad. Yea you saved money but when they burn your house down. You didn’t save anything. There isn’t this battery conspiracy by manufacturers, there is a ton of tech in the legit batteries that these do not have. Plus you are buying used cells that you don’t know their history or if they are safe at all to use. This isn’t something you cheap on with mystery crap from China. This will burn your house down.
The big difference is the 3 years of warranty that brings the original battery I have 2 original 2 years ago a stop loading the take to the DeWalt store and in less than 5 minutes I went out with a new battery that's the big difference
Karl Kaucher these cells are used from other dead electronics and many are mixed cells. These don’t have anything close to the same safeties and are extremely dangerous to use.
I ordered one cheap Amazon battery 20v 5.0ah but i couldn't charge it with dewalt dcb 113 charger.Can you tell me what charger do i need to charge it properly.
I GOT A RYOBI OFF OF EBAY CHINA FOR 35.00 IT WORKS BUT WHEN I CHARGE IT IT WON T TURN OFF THE LIGHT WHEN FULLY CHARGE LIKE THE ORIGINAL RYOBI BUT IT STILL WORKS AND IVE HAD IT GOING ON 2 YEARS. THE NEW RYOBI IS 89.00 VS 35.00 ON EBAY. IM STILL USEING IT TOODAY. THIS IS MY OPINION .WANTED TO SHARE MY INFO.
I bought a pair of the chinese knockoff dewalt batteries for 45 bux off fleabay a little over 18 months ago and with some heavy usage at times in various tools they onky last 3/4ths as long as the oem Dewalt batteries do and they're still going strong but the costs difference and getting 2- 5ah batteries for almost half the cost for 1 oem makes em well worth it to me and they do work well enough...
I have several knock off "DeWalt" batteries, And they work well. Maybe not as well, idk, but they are a nice compliment to the work bench, and the price is right.
I tried the knockoff batteries before both DeWalt and Milwaukee and neither of the knockoffs lasted very long so Amazon refunded my money .... when doing battery comparisons maybe used a new DeWalt and not compare new vs used ... just my opinion I’m not putting your video down I’m just saying be fare when comparing ....
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4:22 "did some math" I chucked really hard on that
I am really bad at math 😁 that looks very complicated
me too
@@Blinker_Fluid_Supply usually insecure people do that but that was probably a joke
@@NewsBroadcasting we all know it was a joke 😂
WN Continental Broadcasting Insecure people do math? Is that a joke?
My partner has a lot of tools, so when he needed a circular saw, I ordered this one for him as a Christmas gift. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxYDKeIjKLOfcwTgdin7TtCutsz4MbIc43 He is incredibly happy with the purchase. He stated that he likes that it is powerful, but still easy to use and cuts very well. He mentioned that it is important to know the right tools for the job at hand, and this compact saw has been exactly what he needed for a variety of projects at his rental properties and renovations. He also appreciates the battery packs, as stated, he owns a lot of DEWALT tools, so he is able to always keep batteries charged as needed.
Years ago I bought a Ryobi tool with 2 batteries. The OEM Batteries crapped out on me within just over a year. Bought 2 aftermarket 4ah batteries off Ebay. Holy Moly!!! I've had them for nearly 5 years and they still are going strong. I've had to cycle them once or twice when there has been a long lag between uses but I use them pretty often. I'm actually getting rid of the tools before the batteries had the chance to go bad! And those two batteries cost me about $56.
There is another factor on run time.. battery life will extend a bit after it has been cycled a few times. Comparing a used Dewalt to a brand new generic isn't absolutely a perfect comparison.. You might get a little back from the 3 minute run time difference between the two
I bought a cheap one from ebay 5ah and after a year it’s still going strong and it’s charged on the dewalt fast charger every time.
Can you share link or brand/model or photo?
I got one too from ebay and they don't run very long
@@em0_tion sure give me until tomorrow when I get to work
Mark Jarman tomorrow? It’s been a week
It's been a month. 😆😆😆
the angle of the line to be adjusted on the x or y axis for laying out slopes. Angle adjustment is by pushing one of two buttons and has very fine increments. The square shape of the tool makes it easy to square the x axis and y axis to the walls of an enclosed area like a garage. When squared, a slope can be laid-out in either or both axis with a compound slope having a high-point in one corner and a low point opposite that corner. The tool can also be put on its side in this mode to project a line onto floor, ceiling and walls.As you would expect at the price the tool is ruggedly built for professional use.*
I bought some of those exact cheap ones from amazon 2 -3 years ago they are still going strong. I did have to open 2 and resolder the battery connections in them. But I've definitely got my money's worth out of em.
Would buy again
Like you and many others; I for one am very satisfied with my Amazon dollar that goes a long way and there delivery is second to none, I do wish their customer service was in America putting Americans to work?
Good comparison and makes the point, that the cheaper battery isn't up to par BUT the price point is there. You could buy more batteries for the same price and have even more charge. No, they probably won't hold up as well. I think one more test would be the actual output of the tool. My experience is that sometimes the better battery, the tool will perform better. It's amperage/voltage draw on load. Had some Makita cordless tolds and there was a difference in it's performance with the factory battery. With the aftermarket battery, after one or two uses, there was a drop, while the factory Makita battery it performed full power until the end of the charge.
I would have verified the Amazon battery was actually 100% charged. The dot system is a general assumption where the charge is at.
i concur
Agreed. I have used my dewalt drill to drive several 3'' screws and still read 3 bars
@@MrWizards1974 I hope your kidding. I could drive 3" screws for days with my dewalt before recharging
Same here. The Amazon battery showed 3 bars but was it fully charged. Either way, great video. Thanks for confirming my suspicions and I do agree. The cheaper battery is not a bad investment. (Assuming that it withstands the test of time)
Thanks again
I bought two of those generics. A solder joint came loose on one, and the case broke on the other. They just don't hold up to being dropped off an extension ladder 3 or 4 times a week like the Dewalts do. Sometimes I'll drop a cordless from a high height, look down at it and think "I had to kill it this time" Nope! The battery will fly 15 feet away from the drill, I plug it back in and back to work. I'm amazed!
I bought two of those generic batteries. The top plastic case broke on one of them, and I swapped it with an old Dewalt battery. The other one just stopped working. I'm assuming that I dropped it, and broke an electrical connection inside. I think that must be how I broke the 1st battery too. I'm always dropping the screw guns. So I assume that the generics aren't as tough as the Dewalts.
How is the battery keeping up after years of used, or how long it lasted any info would be great 👍🏻
he has another video on that, the battery failed after 3 weeks, no charger would be able to charge it.
I bought two Vanon batteries for my Milwaukee vacuum. Works out pretty good. So then I bought a four pack Vanon for some Dewalt tools I acquired from a retiring locksmith. No complaints here so far.
Currently on Ebay: 2 Dewalt for $115 vs 2 generic for $50. 1 Dewalt $63, 1 generic $30
Haha the ending😂 great video. You are like a real world tool review channel kind of. I like how you don't show a strong opinion on tools based on specs but rather how the tool performs in real life
I explicitly agree
Blower sounded like it was blowing harder when first turned on with amazon battery.
Sometimes you can buy a tool with 2 batts cheaper than just batts
All the time if it's a dewalt
True. I just ordered stuff from Home Depot.
autobody TRUE !!!!! I was looking to upgrade my older Skil cordless drills to the Lithium ion battery BUT Skil no longer has the Lion up grade batteries available, they brought out a new line of 20 volt tools. An after market lion replacement is right at $100 !!!! One battery !!!! I bought a new Worx 3/8" 20 volt Lithium ion drill with TWO batteries and a charges for $61 frt prepaid !!!! From worx as an open box !!! I already have other worx tools so now I will have 5 batteries and 4 chargers. OOOOOOH I also bought the 6 1/2" circular saw with 1 battery and charger for $74 !!!!! Also an open box !!!!
Sets can be cheaper for several reasons. When you’re buying the set, they know you may be 1) debating an upgrade within dewalt, or more $valuable to them, considering coming over from a competitor’s platform. On flip side, When you’re in the middle of a job and your battery’s Not cutting it, you’re their captive audience. You’re more price insensitive and they know it.
One thing to consider is thermal overload protection and proper venting of gases, carelessly chucking your tools in the back of your van might burn down more than 20% of your van and other tools.
I’ve used the No-name batteries since converting my kids dirt bikes to Lithium ion from stock. They work great at half the price in every tool I have.
I've had pretty good luck with mine, I got the 2 pack of 5ah enigitech brand ones off Amazon Canada (not sure if that's spelled correctly) ive had them about 2 years, I use them for work on a daily basis. I don't have any DeWalt 5ah to compare them to, but they beat the 3ah for sure. Never had any issues with them.
I have both after market & the dewalt. the dewalt really last longer at least 30% , i have found some after market at 1/3 the price the really cool thing is the case is the same so when the less expensive batteries died after many hard cycles , grinders, sawzall, and skill saw, I was able to swap the batteries that were good but a broken case, (Yes i have several cheap batteries that the cases are broke) but have recently found new aftermarket cases for 10$.
Those are 18650 3.7V battery cells inside of the amazon battery. They are good cells which are often used in laptop batteries and I used 20 of them to make a very long lasting battery for my kid's power wheel car.
Wouldn't the dewalt be better. Since it last longer on a full charge means it would be recharged less and recharging less giving it a longer life expectancy, meaning buying batteries less often ?
That math had me cracking up out loud!!! 😂😂
I bought two of those no name batteries. One quit working, and the other broke. The casing broke, probably when i dropped a drill, or something, but I never broke a Dewalt casing.
I bought 2 of them about 3 years ago. I now own 4. All 4 are nearly 3.5 years old. They don't seem to last quite as long as the dewalt, but it's so miniscule only someone who uses their dewalt power tools every day or at least 5 days a week like I do would notice. At the time, I paid 70 bucks for the pair. 20v 5ah. I have no complaints, and I mostly use mine on a DCF899B model impact. And it's no joke. 700 ft-lbs torque and 1200 ft-lbs breakaway. I use it a lot, and these batteries hold up pretty well.
Lithium batteries will gain charge after a few cycles.
True! I've seen them improve 10-15% over 3-4 cycles! A better test would be to isolate 1 cell and do a capacity test with an iMax or similar capacity tester. If they advertise 5Ah and the cell shows well under 2.5 Ah, you know they're lying.
@@Bob_Adkins This is known as the depassivation process.
You definitively get what you pay for with batteries. in my experience genuine dewalt, makita, canon , Panasonic, whatever has always been vastly superior. Longer life. Longer run time and something no one ever thinks about is stand by time. if you dont use a piece of equipment for a while, the battery goes flat. i noticed that genuine batteries stay charged for a very long time. So you can pick up that tool, battery pack or whatever and it works...even months later!
I would swear that John c Reilly is narrating this vid lmao
More like John Malkovich
That's sounds just like John c Reilly
Imma wreck it?
Ha ! I thought the exact same thing.
Thanks. Imagining that made this video a lot more interesting.
if its new you need to cycle the batt thru several times
Just a heads up these battery packs can be rebuilt by battery etc stores
I get the 5.0ah dewalt batteries for $40 at the flea markets from vendors who buys tools buy the pallets.
They buy tools by the pallet but you are probably getting fake batteries from the markets
How'd the long term life go on this battery, is she still choochin?
It died after a week, he made another video about it.
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Try looking at the power outputs. Impact vs heavy drilling. I bought a knockoff Milwaukee one and it didn’t have near as much power or longevity especially once I put it in a drill or sawzall
EXACTLY. Running a blower until it dies is hardly a real world test.
I have aftermarket makita batteries 1 is 6 years old still going another 3
They don't have the power the original does but they work well in non high Amp draw tools
Did you by chance charge the knock off one or just see it had 3 bars? Just curious if it may be part of what the almost 4 minute difference was?
Really interesting watching the blower run
You can buy boxes of those internal batteries, if the pack stops charging its likely a desolder in the small board. Just fix it. When the cells give up replace them.
You cant bro theyre spot welded. it's a big no no to even try using soldering iron on the negative side of a lithium battery unless you want to encourage thermal runaway and blow the damn thing up
@@carlnikolov They are great to disassemble and use on Cree flashlights. I have individual 18650's laying around everywhere.
Hi, Sean: Great video. I know its old video and things may change. However, could you let me know which brand or the seller you are buying from? I know these generic batteries quality varying a lot so knowing from whom you were buying from is important.
When you did your "math", by any chance did you also determine the state of being a second BEFORE the Big Bang? I'm dying to know. (See 4:21)
This cracked me up. Probably not far off looking at that sheet of paper covered in maths!
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Bought these amazon Dewalt aftermarket batteries as did a mate, all of them died at approx 3 month point.
Buy cheap buy twice.
They all claimed 5yr warranty, none of the sellers would honour the warranty
Did you by any chance expose them to hot temperatures? I didn't know lithium batteries die if you leave them in a hot car /w no direct sunlight. Had two 18650 genuine panasonic 3400mah's bite the dust this way.
My cheap ones lasted almost 2 years, for the cases that did not break.
@@edb9688 So the cheap ones have or don't have battery current protection circuits. I saw AvE take one apart and there is no protection. That means they can explode. Not worth burning your house down just to save a few bucks.
I have a Cheap one and a dewalt apart on my desk, the funny thing is the dewalt has a heat shield and some melted plastic. The cheap one the plastic is thinner and not in tight contact so no burned plastic. The xr or 4 ah dewalt lasts about the same time in my impacts , and light duty drill, led flashlights. But in the saws all or grinders they die quickly, I believe they are factory seconds but they have been lasting for me and my crew, the biggest problem is broken cases, I found new cases online today for 10$ to make sure they would fit I swapped my real dewalt with a cheap one and they fit, I did see the board but did not look closely, will look closer tomorrow.
I haven’t watched this video yet but I do hvac and I can tell you from experience those generic brands do not last compare to the xr. Both of mines only servived 3months. Spend the extra money and go with the xr
Yes,Vanon cheats you several ways.
poor quality in every way.
Lower capacity = the need to
charge more often and that means
shorter life expectancy.
It will be interesting to see how many charges you get out of the no-name battery. Cheaper isn’t always better especially if the tool is used in a trade.
I've had 4 of them for almost 4 years. They perform flawlessly. I've charged them so many times I can't count. I have nothing negative to say about them. I was skeptical when I bought them but ended up buying 2 more. They really have held up well.
Hi there, Good video and here in the uk we can get them even cheaper!. However I can not find out if you can charge the 20volt batteries with a dewalt 18volt charger. I contacted Dewalt and they say you can not. I have also contacted the cheaper battery firms and had no replies. Have you charged one yet? Regards
Or you can get adapters that will run DeWalt from a Mikwaukee battery and vice-versa. Also adapters to run the old 18v DeWalt from a Mikwaukee or DeWalt XR battery, I use these on my old nail guns, and use Dewalt or Milwaukee to run that occasional Ryobi tool you may have... They do have the Ridgid adapters as well out of Australia, kinda pricey though... One thing I discovered, one of the adapters I ordered actuallly works with both DeWalt and milwaukee batteries, but I can't remember if it's for the Dewalt 18v or Ryobi tools. I need to make a video on these. I am now at the point where I will order these off brand batteries as well.
I'm a sheetmetal worker. I go through about 2 5ah batteries a day minimum. All my work buy is the Amazon generics. We go through them left and right. A 2-6 month life span is a good estimate. My old work only bought dewalt brand. Rarely had to replace them. Unless physical abuse like dropped out of a man lift. But if just wanting some cheap backups that gonna just use once in awhile. The generics do work
Check out the video where I test the actual capacity of the real and knock-off batteries
Did you make sure your new Amazon battery was fully charged? Or just assume it was based on the indicator lights?
I charged it
Even if it's close to capacity, the cells may not be of high current, which means they will get damage when used in high drain scenarios.
did you make 100% the amazon battery was charged I mean not charged from inside the package but given time to charge?
I want to make the playing field even.
Two years later... how long did the off brand battery last?
He did a follow up just a week later and said the generic battery sucked. It wouldn't take a full charge and wouldn't run for more an a couple minutes.
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@@douglascounts4634 ... Which is why you shouldn't do reviews directly after buying something.
Can also check out my latest video where I actually tear of the batteries down and test the individual cells
When you put them in the charger, which light comes on? Overheated? Dead?
I understand the cost savings vs run times. I might consider the time it takes to switch out a battery when you run out of power in a up in a gable end on a pump jack or on your back in a crawl space. Thanks for making the video
There was a 4 minute difference in the run time. At some point you are going to have to swap batteries anyway. So factoring that in would make no sense in testing.
As a Amazon buyer, most everything they sell seems to be very good quality, if anyone has problems they will gladly take it back and give full credit, no excuses the very best in service and no long waits for customer service, I have never found another company like Amazon...
Regarding the run time; try charging and discharging the battery a few times and often it will gain more longevity after a few uses, my question is how long will the Amazon battery last compared with the other brands???
new batteries will often pick up power and run time after a few discharges test again after that then it will be fair
Are you still using the Amazon replacement batteries, or are they dead?
Even if the amazon battery showed full charge on 3RD BAR, It may have needed to still be charged fully.
*3 BAR INDICATOR ( low from 0 up to = 33%, med from 31% up to 66%, Full = 67% up to 100% )* 0:52 THIS MAY BE A INVALID TEST, IF ( NEW BATTERY) WASNT FULLY CHARGED AT THE START. *YOUR MATH IS HILARIOUS ! ! !* 4:22
Couple weeks ago I bought two 5.0 amp 20volt aftermarket batteries for my DeWalt tools, with the $10 coupon they were less than $32. (for both!) They are Comrgike brand. I have not used this brand before, but I have other brands and have had very good luck with them. If nothing else, I would think they will eventually force the major companies into reducing their way overpriced batteries. Thanks for the video.
How long did it last? I got one it hasnt been bad, but only had it a month with light use
Hey Stop Throwing Those Tools ...LOL...I have dropped a few drills off the ladder in my day and been lucky they still work
not2fast4u2c DeWalts are tough as shit... Like the Ak-47 of cordless tools
Iloveapplefritters I bet you have no source for this. Quit being a fanboy.
Iloveapplefritters -seen the Makita batteries survive water and still kickin'
I dropped my Dewalt impact driver 14 feet down on concrete and you wouldn't even know. Still runs like it did 3 years ago when I first got it
Unfortunately, both brands in one way or another, are slowly working towards made in China under supposed" American standards!" What happened to made in the USA?
That test resulted quite useful to me. I was thinking in getting the generic brand but regretted. Thanks.
Great video sir, how is the Amazon's battery holding?
Yes, indeed, looking to buy 1 or 4, how are they holding up?
How old (cycles) was the Dewalt battery? It probably isn't a valid comparison unless it was fairly new. Also, I'm really interested in how long they hold up (cycles). I'm looking for a test that compares that.
What would you say now, after years, abt this battery? Was it worth to buy ?
So four years on how's the amazon battery holding out ?
to be fair if you had just charged the dewalt you should have also charged the replacement as it might have shown full charge but could have been off a bit from sitting.
raljame why do you assume I didn’t charge them all?
I did not assume anything I was gong by what was in the video.
I use the generic Amazon battery which I purchased after my dewalt battery stopped charging. Works fine.
its 3 years later .. so what happened ? the knock offs i find life span is seriously short when it comes to batteries
Just with the "did some math" you've got my like!
Not saying that the test wasn't useful, but since Liion batteries are known to gain capacity after a few charges and the LED "bar meters" aren't precise, I'd repeat the run and discharge a few more times on the generic and see if the result changes. Also aftermarket batteries aren't consistent from run to run or even item to item, so I'd look for a trusted seller who warrantees what they sell, and test a second battery. Also, its normal practice when testing an unbranded product to give a link to the ad where you ordered it from so viewers can get the same product.
P Schmied See my newer video , I did more reliable testing on them
I bought the identical battery on Amazon and couldn't happier. The two I bought have held up well and I have not experienced any defects in their use. I haven't torn the batteries apart so I can't state that they have all the safety features that DeWalt incorporates in their batteries, but frankly, I don't care. It's not worth the price for me to worry about some dubious safety features.
DeWalt products are good and innovative but the company appears to be going the route that Snap-On took years ago. Notably, sending their prices to the stratosphere. I hope DeWalt (actually Stanley/Black and Decker) recognizes the fact that its nice to offer high quality tools, but as you raise your prices fewer and fewer people will be able to afford buying them. Market share will go down, then copycat companies like Harbor Freight will suck up its lost market share.
Hard to tell since batteries have a running life of about 3 years but it does sound logical DeWalt would only be a higher price in the long run
Hey my blower is like your blower and it cut out on me. Do you know how to fix it? I tried taking it apart but some plastic pieces are glued together. So I’m stuck
My only real concern is if the generic is harming the actual tool. I.e. poor voltage regulation, etc..
I agree!!
Does it automatically shut off charging once its full on the charger?
Good battery when working mine 2 battery's did not last a year
Good tip. Just subscribed. How about a link for the Knock-off battery. Thanks
Good video, when making a video like this it may be worth it to mention the battery pack warranty. Dewalt is 3 years. pretty sure after the 30 day amazon return period the other pack is just a hassle if there is ever an issue. Also, with the cheap pack i notice they do not last as long under heavy load. an unrestricted blowers wont work a pack nearly as hard as drilling holes of saw cuts. I understand doing a time comparison but time only matters for the blower. Cut/holes per charge is what really matters and half of the cheap batteries hit their thermal shutoff before fully discharging so something to keep in mind. Peace out! Sincerely Dewalt fanboy.
As you took it apart, surely you noticed the difference in protection of vital components? As long as you don't drop the Chinese counterpart, the comparison is fine..
Do they have a generic battery for milwaukee. The Lithium batteries I have, need to be charged every time I use them. My dewalt batteries work great, still have the originals and they HOLD their charge.
5 year warranty send them back and get new ones
Your calculations are spot on! But really you make a lot of cents (or at least save a lot of them) with this comparison. Thank you for sharing.
I agree. but get the waitly brand (also Chinese made) they perform much higher and for just a little more
Can I put Duracell baterries
I bought these batteries and one stopped working after 3 weeks but the other one is still going strong after about 6 months
Well you have the XR batteries and the generic batteries are just standard run generic.
How did it do clipping to the tools? I bought something like that and after a while it kept falling off. Weak plastic and inferior spring clips.
I bought 18v dewalt compatible batteries from Amazon a few years ago and they are great. I wouldn't hesitate to try the 20v
20v are 18v. It's marketing
I got some of those batteries and they wouldn’t ever come out of the damn drills when you pressed the release buttons
My foreman thought he would save money buying some generic NiCad batteries for the Makita drill/drivers we have all over the shop, the Genuine NiCad Makita batteries ran about $50 each, he found these other ones for $25 and they had no name on them LOL.
I noticed they weighed like half what the real ones weigh, maybe not half but noticeably lighter, we also noticed their run time and especially their lifespan before they had to be thrown away was a lot shorter- DUH! they cost half the price and apparently had HALF the material inside, thus the much lighter weight.
You get what you pay for in most cases, cheap batteries are cheaper because they have less everything in them, poorer quality, and less lifespan, so those cheaper $25 batteries wound up costing the same as the real Makita batteries in the end, maybe a little more when you consider disposal costs of 2 batteries instead of one.
We use these Makitas all day long every day and have batteries right now from Makita that are from as old as 2006-2012 (I date all tools and batts when they are bought) that still hold their charge and work, and they get hard use. The $25 batteries started failing in a few months, and recently I noticed about 3 more them no longer hold a charge.
contractor grade tools and batteries have to cost more than consumer grade stuff. If a consumer only occasionally uses a tool then maybe cheap batteries will work fine in it for years. A contractor working every day has higher requirements. Kinda like a light duty pickup passenger car substitute that will occasionally hall a few hundred pounds of cargo is great for its purpose, but will break down in. a hurry if it has to carry a maximum load on rough job sites every day.
Our capitalist system ain't perfect, but it's great to have as many choices as possible. No one product is ideal for everybody.
I buy similar knock off batteries for my Hitachi 18V tools off ebay for 25 bucks (4 ah), and have yet to have a problem. I finished 35 feet of fence on one battery with my circ saw, and it almost made it. That's cutting treated 2x4 and 2x12 (rot board). The battery was hot when it finally ran out, but cooled it off put it on the charger and fired up again like new. Lithium is the shit, but screw paying 80 bucks if you can pretty much do the same amount of work for less than half. I had the other battery ready to finish up. Rarely you use the full charge before recharging anyway. If you don't have to have a cord, why have one. I'm more worried about the motors burning up now.
I agree totally. Screw Big Box Huge prices for battery packs in a store. I'm going with Generics on Ebay from now on, well worth it. I just ordered 2 x M12-6.0ah batteries for $16 delivered to my house. I don't expect them to be close to 6ah, but Unless they are full of rocks or don't work at all, I've got my moneys worth on 1 project. LOL
David FP you do understand the batteries used in these are not new manufacture cells, they are pulled from dead electronics and they do not come close to the same safeties. The do not have thermal over load protection, these do not have over current protections.
Also every manufacturer will void your warranty if they find evidence of these being used. AvE did a tear down on this and explain in detail the differences and it is scary bad.
Yea you saved money but when they burn your house down. You didn’t save anything. There isn’t this battery conspiracy by manufacturers, there is a ton of tech in the legit batteries that these do not have. Plus you are buying used cells that you don’t know their history or if they are safe at all to use. This isn’t something you cheap on with mystery crap from China. This will burn your house down.
The big difference is the 3 years of warranty that brings the original battery I have 2 original 2 years ago a stop loading the take to the DeWalt store and in less than 5 minutes I went out with a new battery that's the big difference
If that seems simple math sheet shows up in the next video I’m going to suspect it is a stage prop. 🤣🤣
If/when the generic battery crumps, please open it up and see what brand of batteries are used.
AVE opened one up on one of his vids
Karl Kaucher these cells are used from other dead electronics and many are mixed cells. These don’t have anything close to the same safeties and are extremely dangerous to use.
Pieter Richter Yea and they were scary bad
Thanks for the comparison video, I'm definitely going to try out the cheaper battery.
I got 6 of them generics ( believe vanon cells) 4,6 &9 . Works perfectly, no complains.
I ordered one cheap Amazon battery 20v 5.0ah but i couldn't charge it with dewalt dcb 113 charger.Can you tell me what charger do i need to charge it properly.
ivak86 see my later video, I had the same problem
@@seancarlin4547 thanks
Why no link to amazon
I GOT A RYOBI OFF OF EBAY CHINA FOR 35.00 IT WORKS BUT WHEN I CHARGE IT IT WON T TURN OFF THE LIGHT WHEN FULLY CHARGE LIKE THE ORIGINAL RYOBI BUT IT STILL WORKS AND IVE HAD IT GOING ON 2 YEARS. THE NEW RYOBI IS 89.00 VS 35.00 ON EBAY. IM STILL USEING IT TOODAY. THIS IS MY OPINION .WANTED TO SHARE MY INFO.
I bought a pair of the chinese knockoff dewalt batteries for 45 bux off fleabay a little over 18 months ago and with some heavy usage at times in various tools they onky last 3/4ths as long as the oem Dewalt batteries do and they're still going strong but the costs difference and getting 2- 5ah batteries for almost half the cost for 1 oem makes em well worth it to me and they do work well enough...
I have several knock off "DeWalt" batteries, And they work well. Maybe not as well, idk, but they are a nice compliment to the work bench, and the price is right.
Okay is it $35 from Amazon shipped to your door or is it $40. Makes a big difference if your math is off🙄
math may be off but today My cheap ones even after cycling the dewalt lasts longer by 30% and i have found the 5 ah under 30$
I tried the knockoff batteries before both DeWalt and Milwaukee and neither of the knockoffs lasted very long so Amazon refunded my money .... when doing battery comparisons maybe used a new DeWalt and not compare new vs used ... just my opinion I’m not putting your video down I’m just saying be fare when comparing ....
try taking the board out of one of your old dewalt batteries and putting it in the amazon special
Too much work
@@seancarlindesigns1431 nah,less work than the math you did there